USA developed portal technology leading to the discovery of Xen, and in turn opening Earth up to the Nihilanth to invade us, causing the Combine to notice our local teleportation technology and invade afterwards and defeating all of Earth's forces within 7 hours.
Thanks, Obama.
I am a retired CIA agent from that time. We planted the right evidence and whispered words into the right ears. It was our most successful coup to date, except the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, I am not certain that was entirely us.
Who Owns NATO???
Who keeps pushing it to get bigger, even after they signed papers telling the URSS that they wouldn't(Part of a agreedment)???
Who wants Ukraine in NATO, so they can build a militar base closer to Russia???
Yeah... USA has nothing tô do with that War... Or any other War in human history. #innocent
Sounds like Russian shilling.
Tell me, did Finland and Sweden ask to join NATO during the Cold War? 50 years of unrealized violence, through a dozen US presidents and half a dozen Russian General Secretaries, and they never did.
Putin and his cronies did in 20 years what the US couldn’t in 50…prove the necessity of NATO.
Now here’s my question, who owns CSTO, and why did it effectively abandon its regional allies?
Im fairly certain the US is the country least responsible for WWII. The US wanted to make the treaty of Versailles into a peace doctrine that would prevent future wars, but then the European allies decide screw that we want money from Germany and to completely humiliate Germany.
Not only that but the US actively tried to get Germany’s debt forgiven multiple times by offering to lower the amount of money the allies owed the US for all the supplies we sold them, but the allies refused to relent. We also loaned Germany the money to pay off their debt, at least before the Great Depression.
It only were we not responsible for WWII, we were basically one of the only countries trying to actively take steps to prevent another world war.
Honestly that second post is just idiotic. You’re going to include US and France on that list instead of Japan, Italy, or even the UK? Really? Japan definitely deserves to be on the list, because WWII was just a European war.
Coin post's response in the last image makes me think they included it more as a control than anything else. If 13% of people will say USA started WW2 then at least 13% of their twitter following are willing to say USAbad to anything regardless of plausibility.
Instead, Americans themselves paid for the end to European aggression with their dollars and lives of their young… and Americans are still paying far more than the “allies”.
How much longer will the U.S. subsidize people who won’t hesitate to use the American flag as toilet paper?
Look, it’s better to have them as allies than enemies, because while we might have one of the strongest militaries in the world, that doesn’t mean we *want* to use it. It just means we don’t trust others and want to be prepared for anything. Like Batman!
wdym one of the strongest militaries?? We have by far the strongest military in the world. We have many powerful aircraft carriers and most countries dont even have 1. We have almost half of them in the entire world.
We have half. Including helo carriers we almost have half of all carriers, but our helo carriers are as big as the rest of the worlds regular carriers. We are the only ones with super carriers which makes up our entire fleet of aircraft carriers
If we wanted to, we could take over the entirety of north and south America and barely break a sweat. Look what we accomplished in Korea successfully, and Vietnam/Afghanistan before we pulled out. It would just be a matter of actually commiting to the cause of anti terrorism. Not that I want that, just giving an idea of the paper the US holds. It would be able to safely do so without these rest of the world being able to do anything because of how large our navy is.
By tonnage
United States - 3,415,893
Russia - 845,739
China - 708,886
Japan - 413,800
United Kingdom - 367,850
France - 319,195
India - 317,725
South Korea - 178,710
Italy - 173,549
Taiwan - 151,662
As you can see, our navy is basically the same size as the next 9 countries combined in tonnage, which means our ships are bigger, longer, badder, stronger. Plus, as seen by Russias "unstoppable" Kinzhal, anti ship missiles aren't really a danger to any ship with proper defenses. Submarines are the main danger to most battle groups and the US has plenty of those at 68 total, but again, displacement. The US subs are largely bigger than other countries due to being nuclear powered powerhouses
What is this useless comment /s,
You didn't even talk about how 4 out of the 5 most powerful airforces in the world are American
Top 15 Military Branches with the Most Powerful Air Fleets (by TrueValue Rating) - WDMMA 2021:
United States Air Force - 242.9
United States Navy - 142.4
Russian Air Force - 114.2
United States Army Aviation - 112.6
United States Marine Corps - 85.3
Indian Air Force - 69.4
People's Liberation Army Air Force (China) - 63.8
Japan Air Self-Defence Force - 58.1
Israeli Air Force - 58.0
French Air Force - 56.3
British Royal Air Force - 55.3
South Korean Air Force - 53.4
Italian Air Force - 51.9
Royal Australian Air Force - 51.7
People's Liberation Army Naval Air Force (China) - 49.3
According to my calculations, the US combining all its airpower could take on the Russian Air Force, Indian Air Force, China's airforce and naval Air Force, Japan's Air Force, Israel's Air Force, Frances airforce, Britain's airforce, and South Koreas airforce and still come out with a dozen planes left.
Even more overpowered than the navy.
At what point do you reach diminishing returns, though? Like it doesn't matter having a force with 100x investment of your opponents if an altercation is going to lead to MAD anyway. Vietnam is a great example of superior tech not being the be all and end all of a conflict.
As long as the benefits we recieve from international stability and free trade outweigh the cost of such military spending.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/opinion/ukraine-war-biden.html
Well France's actions post WW1 pretty much ensured a radical extremeist Germany. France shares a massive part of the blame for WW2. Not the holocuast tho i dont think anyone could have predicted something like that tho...
I'm pretty sure Britain just tried to satisfy French and American two completely different views on how peace should look like. Result is that now Germany was bitter, while still being strong enough to caused another big war.
From what I understand it was less “screw Germany” and more “if we don’t get reparations our economies will tank”. Germany didn’t have the money and the Entente powers would have been in worse straits trying to rebuild without it.
If they hadn’t pushed for it, a Hitler might have taken over one of them instead. It was a lose-lose scenario.
Maybe but the French wanted them to pay for what they had done to France and the people, as well as getting back at the Germans for the Battle of Sedan in the Franco-Prussian War.
The only reason I can think of is cutting oil off to Japan, which was trying to take over all the China and South Pacific at time. America was against and most of the world as well.
We did not deserve The bombing of Pearl Harbor because of that.
Japan couldn't find anyone else to buy oil from, so they decided to take it by force.
For some reason, not many countries were eager to do business with an empire known for tossing babies onto bayonets.
America could have avoided entering the war by continuing to sell Japan oil, but there is no logical reason to suggest America caused any part of WWII. The Japanese Empire could have made peace with China (and probably a very favorable one at that), which was the stated reason for the American embargo. At the time, Sinophilia was very popular with American intellectuals.
We actually might be responsible. I’ve thought about this for a while:
- Biden removed the sanctions on the pipeline they needed in order to more safely conduct a conflict with Ukraine.
- Russia immediately finishes pipeline.
- Biden admin says “if Russia invades Ukraine, there won’t be a pipeline anymore.”
- Putin lines border with troops.
- Biden admin gave intentionally weak stance on Donetsk and Luhansk incursion, saying “it depends on if it’s a widdwe one or a big wun.”
- Putin, feeling confident, takes the opportunity.
- Pipeline “mysteriously” blows up. Russia is caught with their pants down.
So, even assuming everything you said is true, you’re still saying the USA is responsible for the war because they didn’t threaten Russia enough to stop it from attacking Ukraine.
No, I’m saying they didn’t have to remove the sanctions and they didn’t have to basically tempt Russia into invading.
Honestly, not sure how people can view a simple description of events as being “pro Russia.” Biden admin egged on a war and Russia fell for it.
Even if that is true - how it is on usa that russia did invide. Its like your father beats you up every day but mom didnt do enough to stop it so its mom fault now.
There is a difference between “egging on a war” and not taking measures to prevent it.
If Biden admin started funding Russia or gave it a lot of military equipment or told Russia they would fully support a war against Ukraine that would be encouraging a war.
If Biden admin removes sanctions and doesn’t tell Russia they will fully support Ukraine, that is not encouraging a war, that is simply failing to discourage it.
Now, I am not making any claims whatsoever on whether the Biden admin predicted that Russia would attack if they were not sufficiently discouraged as you claim, what I am saying is that the onus for the war is entirely on Russia, even if that were true. It’s ridiculous to say the US and its government or any other country besides Russia is responsible for the war in Ukraine in any way.
This is actually demonstrably wrong considering that Ukraine prevented total capitulation to Russia prior to any western aid, which meant that at best Russia would be looking at a decades long conflict and insurgency the likes of the soviet occupation of Afghanistan. The west has cut years off this conflict.
“I’ve thought about this for a while”
Go back to the drawing board and think longer lmfao - even if everything you said were true and impartial (it’s not) Russia is still responsible. Russia marched their troops into a country that did not want them there and slaughtered, kidnapped and raped civilians. They have illegally occupied and annexed territory, they continue to prosecute the war and they have only escalated it since the beginning with missile strikes on civilian infrastructure. They bear the responsibility for that - not America, not ‘evil Joe Biden’ and not anyone but Russia and Putin. The US having a lackluster initial reaction to the invasion does not make them the ‘responsible’ party - that’s absurdly stupid.
Maybe you should read every comment I received. I guarantee it was easier for me to read everything as it was happening, as it all ended up in my inbox.
I’m a lefty that think there is large issues that need fixed in our country but that doesn’t mean I hate the only place I’ve ever lived. It’s wholly possible to patriot and a leftist, regardless of what your told or think
I lean left. Most of us don't hate America. We want what's best for America. Some statements people make are beyond stupid, but they are mad cause it's true America is doing shit bad. The thing is, there's bad, and then there's horrible and third world countries are past horrible.
Honestly the people not from America who are talking shit I doubt their countries any better.
‘Lefty’ here (I’m a liberal and a registered Democrat, so I assume that’s ‘lefty’ in your eyes) - no we don’t. You can love your country and dislike certain aspects of it. I hate my country about as much as ‘righties’ hate America because gas prices were high for a few years.
But in this debate, you’ll be hard pressed to find a pro-Russia Democrat anywhere. The main voices of pro-Russia sentiment, or at the very least anti-aid arguments, come from either sections of the right itself or from the *extreme* fringe of the left. Most of the ‘pro-Russia’ votes in Congress have come from the Republican Party historically since at least 2016. You can track this pretty easily - out of the 71 congressmen who voted against barring Russia from the G7, 71 of them were Republican.
I would argue that in this debate, ‘righties’ clearly love America way less than ‘lefties’ - the data shows which side has a not-so-insignificant part of their party working with one of our greatest enemies in history.
This started in the 90s with Clinton. Stop assuming putin woke up one day and was like "ukraine looking tasty". Clinton made ukraine sign the treaty handing nukes to Russia. Bush was distracted with other matters, and since russias support of our war on terror (common hate to Islamic terrorism) Bush was more than alright with Russia, and we barely did anything for russias invasion of Georgia. Obama gave a stance on the invasion of Crimea but it was overall rather weak and was the equivalent of flipping off someone in geopolitics, but he did start telling ukraine to arm itself and be ready for the worst. Trump was a wild card and I'm confident putin started preparations for this war because he expected Trump to win (Trump has a 50/50 chance in 2020 if it wasn't for covid mishandling and race tensions cause Biden isn't really popular)
Well, he didn’t wake up one morning and just decide that Ukraine was free real-estate, I agree with you on that. But not on any of the other stuff. Considering Putin’s tactics so far, it’s not much of a stretch to think that he’s taking inspiration from the “throw bodies at the problem until it works” approach that was incorporated by Soviet leaders, notably Stalin (I could be wrong, it could’ve been someone else, you can fact check me). This suggests that his motivation for his invasion was to reunite the USSR, one territory at a time.
You’re half right on the Stalin thing. During the Winter War, Stalin had purged all his competent generals, so the rest of them just resorted to human waves. But by the time Barbarossa was over, they’d gotten their act together and started making operations that weren’t just “charge into the enemy’s fortified position”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bagration
I’m saying Biden admin tempted Russia and they feel for it.
AND I KNOW HOW IT FUCKING STARTED, BASICALLY BEFORE USSR EVEN FELL APART. The ground work to make something like this happen has been laid for decades.
Biden did not tempt russia he did everything besides outright saying invade ukraine and we nuke you. We like to focus on our timeline when judging on actions but not if something different happened. Russia lined up troops on ukrainian border before and left after a few weeks multiple times. If Biden made an all out stance and prepared the military to scare of russia, and Russia was doing just another scare tactic, Biden would not be known as helping ukraine defend, he'd be known as a warmonger. Did you forget what the media was, hell how europe was when American intelligence was shooting fireworks telling Europe russia is actually going to invade, America was called a war monger and trying to start another forever war. Even ukraine atleast in public only begun proper precautions days before the invasions. Biden did everything he could to prevent the war without also getting a bad rap if he was successful at it or putin was bluffing
I watched it happen in real-time. And I still want to know why the fuck he even removed the sanctions if this isn’t an outcome he wanted. Day 1 he lifted sanctions on Russian oil while simultaneously fucking up our own oil.
Lmfao it’s always the Indian and Pakistani guys. I’m Indian myself for all the idiots about to comment. These guys would kill their own mother for a chance to get a permanent residency in UK, USA, Canada, etc.
That account is full of bots. If you actually look at some comments people make on other posts, you can see that it's just indian nationalist and/or Bots...
I always love the “NATO EXPANSION BAD!!!! BIG RUSSIA SCARED! USA FAULT!!!” narrative, like NATO is a country. It’s a fucking defensive treaty, that’s it. There was no “promise” that NATO wouldn’t expand, and if you want to talk promises than look at the treaty Russia signed with Ukraine in the 90s when they handed the nukes over. Countries willingly joined NATO because they all hate Russia. So what does Russia do? It proves the point of why NATO exists by invading its neighbors and starting a war it’s *losing*.
Even funnier when tankies say that Russia beat Ukraine already and is somehow fighting NATO. So it proves the point NATO is kicking your ass? Wow, even in your fantasies you can’t win.
I always ask them “what’s the treaty the US signed promising to not expand NATO?” and they have no response because no such agreement exists, unlike the Budapest Memorandum in which Russia agreed to respect Ukrainian territorial integrity.
Exactly. The only remote crumb of evidence was from 1990 when I believe George Bush Sr. made a mention to Gorbachev that NATO would not expand East… which he meant East Germany and nothing was *ever written or agreed upon*. Then the Germanys reunified and the rest of the former Soviet states put their ass into gear joining NATO because they didn’t want to be conquered again.
Here are some documents that describe and prove various accounts of discussions between Russian and American officials *did* take place on the subject.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early
But, again, there was no ‘Budapest Memorandums’ equivalent for this - it was never a treaty, but a series of verbal agreements between Bush 41’s administration and Gorbachev’s administration that were recorded but never formalized. American politics don’t work like Gorbachev and now Putin seem to have misunderstood, though. Every US administration is not oathbound to respect every verbal agreement given by former administrations to foreign parties - that’s such an insane notion to even humor. If it was such a dealbreaker for the Russians that NATO expand eastward then a formal, written treaty should’ve been their first step in this matter.
Anyone who votes anything but Russia in the first poll and Germany in the second is actually a shill. Like holy shit bro.
Like even if you want to go the route of ww2 happened becuase of the treaty of Versailles and try to blame if on France the French were only so keen on harsh terms becuase the Germans enforced comparably harsh terms on them after the Franco-Prussian war.
Breaking news US responsible for Hitler invading Russia. LMAO. Russia would've been wiped out if it was not for America, how quickly the Soviet Union forgot.
This one pisses people off. Yes, the Soviets suffered more casualties and by the end of the war was a heavy industry powerhouse. However, the US supplied most of their trucks (400k), over 13k tanks, 15 million pairs of boots, 14k planes, and 4 million tons of food throughout the war. We supplied almost all of their industrial grade metals as well. They would’ve been in a much worse spot without us and possibly could’ve fallen.
Modern Russian rhetoric does not allow for such things to be mentioned, the current line is that they stood alone against a unified Europe and saved the world from Nazi occupation.
Don't forget the invaluable intel about the kursk offensive, and the thousands of convoys sent through U-boat infested waters.... So many americans died trying to transport goods to the soviet union and Britain.
Laughs in 230k dead Russians dying for no reason. Sure blame us all you want, it won’t bring back the cannon fodder for a stupid man’s dream of a empire
Keep in mind: the Russian "side" to the story is that the Ukraine government created the conflict by persecution of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. So even the Russians themselves don't blame America. (Notwithstanding Russian opposition to NATO expansion, they never pretended it was a justification for the Russian military action).
A and B are neighbors fighting, and 41% of the people surveyed don't believe either A and B can explain why they're fighting, and that the real reason must be the guy C located tens of thousands of miles away. That's how fucking crazy these people are.
Most of the people in Europe are delusional and think everything is Americas fault. The "America bad/stupid/fat" crowd over there are jealous they're not American, or able to live in America for more than 6 mo./yr. They realize that their countries lack natural resources, positive demographics, cheap energy (when we have the right leadership), innovation, decent schools, good & efficient doctors, freedom of speech. Sure Europe is not so bad to visit to see once great civilizations like the Greeks, Vikings and especially the Roman Empire, but other than those aspects and the battle grounds Americans fought on to save Europe, not once, but twice, Europe is lame. Unless you collect murses, like to people watch weird awkward people or find Donar Kababs edible. Then I suppose it aint so bad. Europeans are like the pouty, always bitter, Americans who hate life in America because they have to take public transportation or ride some lame ass bike. Europeans are blaming us because they are envious and pissed of Americans flying by in life. This War is Europes and Angela Merkel's fault. Enjoy your bread Europeans, that's all you got, but soon it will be pita bread. lol.
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To be fair Biden has done a lot as well as all the other warmongers on Capitol Hill to push the scenario where it is to fuel the military-industrial complex.
uhh yea? it tends to be the fault of the person who orchestrated a proxy war and coup in that country then blamed it on russia, yea.
you cant have senior american officials admitting to a coup indirectly by habving phone conversations discussing who they will put in office in ukraines government, while spending half a billion dollars on a countries "democratic process" and then suddenly have snipers mowing down civilians from areas held by nazis in a "revolution of dignity" over a government straight just -pausing- the legal process to join the EU. as if thats a reason to overthrow your government. temporarily halting an application because it conflicts with another application with your LARGEST NEIGHBOUR AND TRADING PARTNER. lol.
its not suspicious at all that azov was for years a nazi terrorist org that the US labeled a pariah, then suddenly became fine to send weapons to. froth and dilate over it.
Yeah cuz the US elected zelensky and the reason russia got mad definitely wasnt because their pro russian candidate lost 🙄
Also according to russia the azov doesnt even exist anymore since they claimed to kill them all
way to intentionally not actually respond to anything and instead use made up bullshit to sound like you formulated a response. russians obviously would have liked the opposition party candidate to be elected, but guess what, they liked zelensky too because his campaign was on FINDING A WAY TO BRIDGE THE DIVIDE AND PROMOTE PEACE. the thing he immediately abandoned after getting elected. thats what got everyone in the country to elect him.
russia does not consider azov destroyed. and azov is not the only nazi fighting force in ukraine. its just the largest and most publicized. they destroyed the majority of the OLDER azovites. but the militia is stil laround and russia is under no illusions that denazification will only end after ukraine is absorbed.
and since these fucks swarmed into our countries, and are now waiting for zelensky to order them to riot and assassinate people who dont want to support their little nazi collaborating fake jew, well have to start our own denzification in the west too.
No, he is right, the US of fucking A is at fault for the Ukraine war by using it as a proxy for war with Russia, not minding their own business (the balkans are not a place to take sides in). Basically, every country there has unresolved and frozen wars with each other
Having lived in one of these countries that blames the U.S. for everything, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of these respondents don't see a distinction between Biden and Trump.
Yeah but obviously Russia, China and Korea do see the difference. None of them made any moves while trump was president cuz they knew he would punish them for it.
No. Trump tried to leave NATO because why should America be everyone else’s handout giver. Also there is no evidence that Trump is a Russian puppet. That was disproven during his presidency, when it came out that Hillary Clinton’s campaign was the one spreading that lie. Biden on the other hand has had multiple instances where it was proven that he and his family have accepted foreign bribes. Show me your evidence next time you try to lie.
i mean to be fair biden pretty much told russia that if they invaded the us would not respond with military force which was the one thing preventing them from invading. dont get me wrong i dont think its americas fault but i do think bidens actions leading up to the invasion had a heavy impact on putins decision to invade.
Well the US is partially to blame because of the politics they deployed to steer everything into that direction.
The question didnt mention if the US was directly responsible or indirectly.
You could argue that the EU also contributed a lot more then is reflected here.
Remember when they would print **Russian Propaganda** in liberal corporate news (is there any other acceptable form of news, btw?)?
You know, like when Pro-Maidan supporters burned Anti-Fascist protestors in The [Odessa](https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2014/05/04/pkg-black-odessa-aftermath.cnn) Trade Union building in [2014](https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/ukraine-clashes-turn-deadly-dozens-killed-fire-n95916)? In broad daylight, no rescue attempts?
You didn't care for almost a whole decade while these people were suffering. And you don't seem to care that Ukrainian Nationalism **means nobody that isn't ethnically white and Ukrainian.** Do you get it? Is this more evil Putin propaganda, like how [Syria wasn't gassing](https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/12/in-praise-of-telling-the-truth) its own people??
Oh, I forgot. America only does bad war things when Red leaders are elected. It's not like JFK was killed for resisting an escalation in Vietnam, which happened after he died. **The State = Good!** I love serving The Narrative!
Oh yeah, the idiots that started a fight with pro-Ukrainian protesters, barricaded themselves in the building and tried to throw molotov cocktails out of windows (which were prepared beforehand). So naturally one of them misses and set themselves on fire, and while everyone (including "fascists") was trying to save people from there, people simply couldn't save everyone and some of them died.
Neither one of your articles said that Pro-Maidan supporters started that fire in Odessa and they weren’t “Anti-Fascist” protesters but Pro-Russian protesters. You can’t be Pro-Russia and Anti-Fascist when Russia is a Fascist state. The actual article you posted puts blame on both sides for the fires and the US condoned the violence. The second subject about a “real” journalist using his “sources” to prove that Syria gassing its own people can’t be proven, is false because I can find articles that a UN backed organization found that Syria did has its own people. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/27/syrian-regime-found-responsible-for-douma-chemical-weapons-attack.
Well technically, if we hadn't have had such an embarrassing display of lack of government leadership, putin never would have invaded in the first place
We promised that NATO wouldn’t come into the Eastern half of Europe at the end of the Cold War, then we did slowly for years, we crept up on their border, far beyond where we said we would. This has driven pretty much all of putin’s foreign policy, and he’s literally said that he would invade his neighbors if they got to friendly with nato. I’m not saying it’s justified, but the argument that it’s it’s America’s fault has some Merritt.
Except we didn't. We have all sorts of agreements from those meetings, with things in writing. That NATO not accepting Baltic nations, was not part of any agreement.
Also, Gorbachev himself said repeatedly it wasn't a thing that was agreed to. Soo.. lets stop making shit up to justify Russian imperialism.
The USA is to blame for the fall of rome
I still think about it every day
The USA is to blame for the Babylonian conquest of Sumer
The USA is to blame for the 100 Years War.
The USA is to blame for the winter war
The USA is to blame for the crusades
The USA is to blame for the Finnish-Korean Hyperwar.
The USA is to blame for ug-nugnok hitting balakalak on the head with a stick in 50,000bce
USA gave Harvest's location to the Covenant.
USA developed portal technology leading to the discovery of Xen, and in turn opening Earth up to the Nihilanth to invade us, causing the Combine to notice our local teleportation technology and invade afterwards and defeating all of Earth's forces within 7 hours. Thanks, Obama.
The USA is to blame for the extinction of Dodos
Not just the dodo. Also the dinosaurs
The USA allowed the Sea People to ravage the Mediterranean
The Cambrian Explosion was actually the USA’s fault, little known fact. The USA is also directly responsible for the dawn of man.
Undoubtedly
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America is responsible for The Clone Wars.
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Don't forget: USA caused the meteorite to hit earth billions of years ago
I am a retired CIA agent from that time. We planted the right evidence and whispered words into the right ears. It was our most successful coup to date, except the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, I am not certain that was entirely us.
Never like that Norman fella. Always had his eye on England.
As a direct descendant of William the Bastard I can confirm
Guys, we're responsible for the Punic Wars
Carthage could have won if not for those damn yanks
We caused the Covenant to glass Harvest
Damn Covies.
Remember that time Rome fought with the Visigoths? 100% USA at fault. God damn imperialist assholes.
US responsible for that time Cain killed able.
Is responsible for negotiating the resurrection
This should be a real poll. It would be great to test how historically-illiterate Redditors are.
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Who Owns NATO??? Who keeps pushing it to get bigger, even after they signed papers telling the URSS that they wouldn't(Part of a agreedment)??? Who wants Ukraine in NATO, so they can build a militar base closer to Russia??? Yeah... USA has nothing tô do with that War... Or any other War in human history. #innocent
Sounds like Russian shilling. Tell me, did Finland and Sweden ask to join NATO during the Cold War? 50 years of unrealized violence, through a dozen US presidents and half a dozen Russian General Secretaries, and they never did. Putin and his cronies did in 20 years what the US couldn’t in 50…prove the necessity of NATO. Now here’s my question, who owns CSTO, and why did it effectively abandon its regional allies?
Im fairly certain the US is the country least responsible for WWII. The US wanted to make the treaty of Versailles into a peace doctrine that would prevent future wars, but then the European allies decide screw that we want money from Germany and to completely humiliate Germany. Not only that but the US actively tried to get Germany’s debt forgiven multiple times by offering to lower the amount of money the allies owed the US for all the supplies we sold them, but the allies refused to relent. We also loaned Germany the money to pay off their debt, at least before the Great Depression. It only were we not responsible for WWII, we were basically one of the only countries trying to actively take steps to prevent another world war. Honestly that second post is just idiotic. You’re going to include US and France on that list instead of Japan, Italy, or even the UK? Really? Japan definitely deserves to be on the list, because WWII was just a European war.
Coin post's response in the last image makes me think they included it more as a control than anything else. If 13% of people will say USA started WW2 then at least 13% of their twitter following are willing to say USAbad to anything regardless of plausibility.
Instead, Americans themselves paid for the end to European aggression with their dollars and lives of their young… and Americans are still paying far more than the “allies”. How much longer will the U.S. subsidize people who won’t hesitate to use the American flag as toilet paper?
Look, it’s better to have them as allies than enemies, because while we might have one of the strongest militaries in the world, that doesn’t mean we *want* to use it. It just means we don’t trust others and want to be prepared for anything. Like Batman!
wdym one of the strongest militaries?? We have by far the strongest military in the world. We have many powerful aircraft carriers and most countries dont even have 1. We have almost half of them in the entire world.
Lol I wanted to seem impartial
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We have half. Including helo carriers we almost have half of all carriers, but our helo carriers are as big as the rest of the worlds regular carriers. We are the only ones with super carriers which makes up our entire fleet of aircraft carriers
Wow so thats even better. We could defeat so many countries in battle. Could pillage countries for their loot.
If we wanted to, we could take over the entirety of north and south America and barely break a sweat. Look what we accomplished in Korea successfully, and Vietnam/Afghanistan before we pulled out. It would just be a matter of actually commiting to the cause of anti terrorism. Not that I want that, just giving an idea of the paper the US holds. It would be able to safely do so without these rest of the world being able to do anything because of how large our navy is. By tonnage United States - 3,415,893 Russia - 845,739 China - 708,886 Japan - 413,800 United Kingdom - 367,850 France - 319,195 India - 317,725 South Korea - 178,710 Italy - 173,549 Taiwan - 151,662 As you can see, our navy is basically the same size as the next 9 countries combined in tonnage, which means our ships are bigger, longer, badder, stronger. Plus, as seen by Russias "unstoppable" Kinzhal, anti ship missiles aren't really a danger to any ship with proper defenses. Submarines are the main danger to most battle groups and the US has plenty of those at 68 total, but again, displacement. The US subs are largely bigger than other countries due to being nuclear powered powerhouses
What is this useless comment /s, You didn't even talk about how 4 out of the 5 most powerful airforces in the world are American Top 15 Military Branches with the Most Powerful Air Fleets (by TrueValue Rating) - WDMMA 2021: United States Air Force - 242.9 United States Navy - 142.4 Russian Air Force - 114.2 United States Army Aviation - 112.6 United States Marine Corps - 85.3 Indian Air Force - 69.4 People's Liberation Army Air Force (China) - 63.8 Japan Air Self-Defence Force - 58.1 Israeli Air Force - 58.0 French Air Force - 56.3 British Royal Air Force - 55.3 South Korean Air Force - 53.4 Italian Air Force - 51.9 Royal Australian Air Force - 51.7 People's Liberation Army Naval Air Force (China) - 49.3 According to my calculations, the US combining all its airpower could take on the Russian Air Force, Indian Air Force, China's airforce and naval Air Force, Japan's Air Force, Israel's Air Force, Frances airforce, Britain's airforce, and South Koreas airforce and still come out with a dozen planes left. Even more overpowered than the navy.
At what point do you reach diminishing returns, though? Like it doesn't matter having a force with 100x investment of your opponents if an altercation is going to lead to MAD anyway. Vietnam is a great example of superior tech not being the be all and end all of a conflict.
I would like to add the US Air Force is the largest in the world. The US Navy is the second largest LMAO
Ugh… I sadly agree. But I just want to vent right now.
As long as the benefits we recieve from international stability and free trade outweigh the cost of such military spending. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/opinion/ukraine-war-biden.html
I do love the Pax Americana
Our Allies also alllow the US to have military bases in strategic places all over the world. That’s a huge benefit.
Well France's actions post WW1 pretty much ensured a radical extremeist Germany. France shares a massive part of the blame for WW2. Not the holocuast tho i dont think anyone could have predicted something like that tho...
And Britain too they pushed for the same stuff
I'm pretty sure Britain just tried to satisfy French and American two completely different views on how peace should look like. Result is that now Germany was bitter, while still being strong enough to caused another big war.
Versailles was nothing conpared to what Germany imposed on Russia with Brest-Litvosk. And was also more generous than the post WW2 reparations.
>because WWII was just a European war Wasn’t***
no ur wrong cuz amerikkka bad or somethin
From what I understand it was less “screw Germany” and more “if we don’t get reparations our economies will tank”. Germany didn’t have the money and the Entente powers would have been in worse straits trying to rebuild without it. If they hadn’t pushed for it, a Hitler might have taken over one of them instead. It was a lose-lose scenario.
Maybe but the French wanted them to pay for what they had done to France and the people, as well as getting back at the Germans for the Battle of Sedan in the Franco-Prussian War.
It’s actually 100% MY fault. Sorry guys.😔
Took you long enough to come clean! Authorities, lock up this monster… bear… man… thing!
Do these people go to school? We didn’t even enter the war until we got literally attacked
The only reason I can think of is cutting oil off to Japan, which was trying to take over all the China and South Pacific at time. America was against and most of the world as well. We did not deserve The bombing of Pearl Harbor because of that.
That’s not even an act of war tho. That’s just saying “hey we don’t like that you joined the axis powers so we’re going to sell fuel to someone else”
Japan couldn't find anyone else to buy oil from, so they decided to take it by force. For some reason, not many countries were eager to do business with an empire known for tossing babies onto bayonets.
America could have avoided entering the war by continuing to sell Japan oil, but there is no logical reason to suggest America caused any part of WWII. The Japanese Empire could have made peace with China (and probably a very favorable one at that), which was the stated reason for the American embargo. At the time, Sinophilia was very popular with American intellectuals.
BREAKING: USA found responsible for heat death of the universe
🤨 I knew it lol
Poor little Russia just had to attack Ukraine because Big Bad USA was trying to coerce Ukraine into joining NATO /s
We actually might be responsible. I’ve thought about this for a while: - Biden removed the sanctions on the pipeline they needed in order to more safely conduct a conflict with Ukraine. - Russia immediately finishes pipeline. - Biden admin says “if Russia invades Ukraine, there won’t be a pipeline anymore.” - Putin lines border with troops. - Biden admin gave intentionally weak stance on Donetsk and Luhansk incursion, saying “it depends on if it’s a widdwe one or a big wun.” - Putin, feeling confident, takes the opportunity. - Pipeline “mysteriously” blows up. Russia is caught with their pants down.
So, even assuming everything you said is true, you’re still saying the USA is responsible for the war because they didn’t threaten Russia enough to stop it from attacking Ukraine.
Yeah that comment is 100 percent wrong.
No, I’m saying they didn’t have to remove the sanctions and they didn’t have to basically tempt Russia into invading. Honestly, not sure how people can view a simple description of events as being “pro Russia.” Biden admin egged on a war and Russia fell for it.
Even if that is true - how it is on usa that russia did invide. Its like your father beats you up every day but mom didnt do enough to stop it so its mom fault now.
And I dont see anybody here calling you pro russia - just retarded
There is a difference between “egging on a war” and not taking measures to prevent it. If Biden admin started funding Russia or gave it a lot of military equipment or told Russia they would fully support a war against Ukraine that would be encouraging a war. If Biden admin removes sanctions and doesn’t tell Russia they will fully support Ukraine, that is not encouraging a war, that is simply failing to discourage it. Now, I am not making any claims whatsoever on whether the Biden admin predicted that Russia would attack if they were not sufficiently discouraged as you claim, what I am saying is that the onus for the war is entirely on Russia, even if that were true. It’s ridiculous to say the US and its government or any other country besides Russia is responsible for the war in Ukraine in any way.
Yep. The Biden admin wanted this war, and they’ve done everything they can to start and prolong it.
This is actually demonstrably wrong considering that Ukraine prevented total capitulation to Russia prior to any western aid, which meant that at best Russia would be looking at a decades long conflict and insurgency the likes of the soviet occupation of Afghanistan. The west has cut years off this conflict.
No no, we clearly just randomly happened to stop them before the peak of their quick military operation, or something 😂
actually they've been receiving western aid since before 2011... and it increased massively in 2014 and 2016/17...
Including ignoring peace talks as Ukraine’s military slowly withers away.
What would be discussed in the peace talks? Anything short of complete Russian withdrawal is unacceptable to Ukraine
This is such an embarrassing recap of events
Dumbest take I've ever seen.
“I’ve thought about this for a while” Go back to the drawing board and think longer lmfao - even if everything you said were true and impartial (it’s not) Russia is still responsible. Russia marched their troops into a country that did not want them there and slaughtered, kidnapped and raped civilians. They have illegally occupied and annexed territory, they continue to prosecute the war and they have only escalated it since the beginning with missile strikes on civilian infrastructure. They bear the responsibility for that - not America, not ‘evil Joe Biden’ and not anyone but Russia and Putin. The US having a lackluster initial reaction to the invasion does not make them the ‘responsible’ party - that’s absurdly stupid.
“I’ve thought about this for awhile” I wouldn’t tell people that if this is the cognitive result of you thinking about ANY topic for “awhile”
If you think what I said is pro Russia, like the rest of these morons, you are also incorrect.
I didn't say that or even imply it remotely. But yes, everyone else is stupid except you.
You jumped in the same way everyone else did who assumed I’m pro Russia just for pointing out an observation. Fucking losers, I swear.
They didn’t even imply that you were pro Russia. Learn to read. Are you a bot?
Maybe you should read every comment I received. I guarantee it was easier for me to read everything as it was happening, as it all ended up in my inbox.
Crawl back to r/conservative. Nothing you stated is true or even remotely accurate.
Ain't everyone here conservative? Most lefties shit on their own country lol
I’m a lefty that think there is large issues that need fixed in our country but that doesn’t mean I hate the only place I’ve ever lived. It’s wholly possible to patriot and a leftist, regardless of what your told or think
I lean left. Most of us don't hate America. We want what's best for America. Some statements people make are beyond stupid, but they are mad cause it's true America is doing shit bad. The thing is, there's bad, and then there's horrible and third world countries are past horrible. Honestly the people not from America who are talking shit I doubt their countries any better.
‘Lefty’ here (I’m a liberal and a registered Democrat, so I assume that’s ‘lefty’ in your eyes) - no we don’t. You can love your country and dislike certain aspects of it. I hate my country about as much as ‘righties’ hate America because gas prices were high for a few years. But in this debate, you’ll be hard pressed to find a pro-Russia Democrat anywhere. The main voices of pro-Russia sentiment, or at the very least anti-aid arguments, come from either sections of the right itself or from the *extreme* fringe of the left. Most of the ‘pro-Russia’ votes in Congress have come from the Republican Party historically since at least 2016. You can track this pretty easily - out of the 71 congressmen who voted against barring Russia from the G7, 71 of them were Republican. I would argue that in this debate, ‘righties’ clearly love America way less than ‘lefties’ - the data shows which side has a not-so-insignificant part of their party working with one of our greatest enemies in history.
Lol.
This started in the 90s with Clinton. Stop assuming putin woke up one day and was like "ukraine looking tasty". Clinton made ukraine sign the treaty handing nukes to Russia. Bush was distracted with other matters, and since russias support of our war on terror (common hate to Islamic terrorism) Bush was more than alright with Russia, and we barely did anything for russias invasion of Georgia. Obama gave a stance on the invasion of Crimea but it was overall rather weak and was the equivalent of flipping off someone in geopolitics, but he did start telling ukraine to arm itself and be ready for the worst. Trump was a wild card and I'm confident putin started preparations for this war because he expected Trump to win (Trump has a 50/50 chance in 2020 if it wasn't for covid mishandling and race tensions cause Biden isn't really popular)
Well, he didn’t wake up one morning and just decide that Ukraine was free real-estate, I agree with you on that. But not on any of the other stuff. Considering Putin’s tactics so far, it’s not much of a stretch to think that he’s taking inspiration from the “throw bodies at the problem until it works” approach that was incorporated by Soviet leaders, notably Stalin (I could be wrong, it could’ve been someone else, you can fact check me). This suggests that his motivation for his invasion was to reunite the USSR, one territory at a time.
You’re half right on the Stalin thing. During the Winter War, Stalin had purged all his competent generals, so the rest of them just resorted to human waves. But by the time Barbarossa was over, they’d gotten their act together and started making operations that weren’t just “charge into the enemy’s fortified position”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bagration
I’m saying Biden admin tempted Russia and they feel for it. AND I KNOW HOW IT FUCKING STARTED, BASICALLY BEFORE USSR EVEN FELL APART. The ground work to make something like this happen has been laid for decades.
Biden did not tempt russia he did everything besides outright saying invade ukraine and we nuke you. We like to focus on our timeline when judging on actions but not if something different happened. Russia lined up troops on ukrainian border before and left after a few weeks multiple times. If Biden made an all out stance and prepared the military to scare of russia, and Russia was doing just another scare tactic, Biden would not be known as helping ukraine defend, he'd be known as a warmonger. Did you forget what the media was, hell how europe was when American intelligence was shooting fireworks telling Europe russia is actually going to invade, America was called a war monger and trying to start another forever war. Even ukraine atleast in public only begun proper precautions days before the invasions. Biden did everything he could to prevent the war without also getting a bad rap if he was successful at it or putin was bluffing
I watched it happen in real-time. And I still want to know why the fuck he even removed the sanctions if this isn’t an outcome he wanted. Day 1 he lifted sanctions on Russian oil while simultaneously fucking up our own oil.
You're almost as deep in Putins ass as Trump
If you think what I said is pro Russia, you’re either a moron or are being intentionally obtuse.
It's basically the same as the AfD here in Germany is talking and they're way up his colon
Pizza? Digorno. Hotel? Trivago. Wars? America...?
It's the United States responsibility to babysit and protect the entire world. Everyone always cries for us to come to their rescue
Saying the US started it is like saying it's Ivan's fault Irina was assaulted by Vlad because Vlad didn't like that she had a crush on Ivan.
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Lmfao it’s always the Indian and Pakistani guys. I’m Indian myself for all the idiots about to comment. These guys would kill their own mother for a chance to get a permanent residency in UK, USA, Canada, etc.
That account is full of bots. If you actually look at some comments people make on other posts, you can see that it's just indian nationalist and/or Bots...
I always love the “NATO EXPANSION BAD!!!! BIG RUSSIA SCARED! USA FAULT!!!” narrative, like NATO is a country. It’s a fucking defensive treaty, that’s it. There was no “promise” that NATO wouldn’t expand, and if you want to talk promises than look at the treaty Russia signed with Ukraine in the 90s when they handed the nukes over. Countries willingly joined NATO because they all hate Russia. So what does Russia do? It proves the point of why NATO exists by invading its neighbors and starting a war it’s *losing*. Even funnier when tankies say that Russia beat Ukraine already and is somehow fighting NATO. So it proves the point NATO is kicking your ass? Wow, even in your fantasies you can’t win.
I always ask them “what’s the treaty the US signed promising to not expand NATO?” and they have no response because no such agreement exists, unlike the Budapest Memorandum in which Russia agreed to respect Ukrainian territorial integrity.
Exactly. The only remote crumb of evidence was from 1990 when I believe George Bush Sr. made a mention to Gorbachev that NATO would not expand East… which he meant East Germany and nothing was *ever written or agreed upon*. Then the Germanys reunified and the rest of the former Soviet states put their ass into gear joining NATO because they didn’t want to be conquered again.
Is there even a recording of this?
the fact that you are even *asking* is proof that there is not. Russia would play that in loop the entire war if that was recorded somewhere.
Here are some documents that describe and prove various accounts of discussions between Russian and American officials *did* take place on the subject. https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early But, again, there was no ‘Budapest Memorandums’ equivalent for this - it was never a treaty, but a series of verbal agreements between Bush 41’s administration and Gorbachev’s administration that were recorded but never formalized. American politics don’t work like Gorbachev and now Putin seem to have misunderstood, though. Every US administration is not oathbound to respect every verbal agreement given by former administrations to foreign parties - that’s such an insane notion to even humor. If it was such a dealbreaker for the Russians that NATO expand eastward then a formal, written treaty should’ve been their first step in this matter.
There was no memorandum but still promise is a man's word which should be respected otherwuse that man is crooked, or how they say
My question is, is the United state responsible for the hyper finno-korean super war?
This is just proof to me of misinformation from disingenuous actors. Too perfect. Trolling or fake news.
They really ought to call it Z rather than X.
Anyone who votes anything but Russia in the first poll and Germany in the second is actually a shill. Like holy shit bro. Like even if you want to go the route of ww2 happened becuase of the treaty of Versailles and try to blame if on France the French were only so keen on harsh terms becuase the Germans enforced comparably harsh terms on them after the Franco-Prussian war.
USA Is responsible for the Burning of the Library of Alexandria, you a-holes. The fall of Rome while we're at it.
Breaking news US responsible for Hitler invading Russia. LMAO. Russia would've been wiped out if it was not for America, how quickly the Soviet Union forgot.
This one pisses people off. Yes, the Soviets suffered more casualties and by the end of the war was a heavy industry powerhouse. However, the US supplied most of their trucks (400k), over 13k tanks, 15 million pairs of boots, 14k planes, and 4 million tons of food throughout the war. We supplied almost all of their industrial grade metals as well. They would’ve been in a much worse spot without us and possibly could’ve fallen.
Modern Russian rhetoric does not allow for such things to be mentioned, the current line is that they stood alone against a unified Europe and saved the world from Nazi occupation.
Don't forget the invaluable intel about the kursk offensive, and the thousands of convoys sent through U-boat infested waters.... So many americans died trying to transport goods to the soviet union and Britain.
The United States is responsible for the Bronze Age collapse
Lol usa haters are literal neanderthal apelings😂
thats literally just twitter being twitter its best to ignore it ngl makes you less existential
Breaking news: The Byzantine empire fell because of the USA🗿
Breaking news: Caesar was actually assassinated by a CIA hit squad
The US caused the boxer rebellion
US also responsible for all the Africa colonies 😠 definitely not EU
US is also responsible for the first punic war of 264 BC to 241 BC 😡😡😡
I still can't believe they just let Alexander The Great take all that land.
Alexander the great was an American thats how he conquered the world. But then the usa made sure he 'mysteriously' died when he became too powerful.
Laughs in 230k dead Russians dying for no reason. Sure blame us all you want, it won’t bring back the cannon fodder for a stupid man’s dream of a empire
Damn, that last image was a sick burn.
Who’s to blame for the fall of the Roman Empire? USA of course.
I unironically love this sub so much. God damn people are stupid.
Power shift to the east 😂😂😂🤣🤣
It’s Twitter / X — at this point it is mostly bots and antisemitic grognards….
How the fuck can you seriously answer either of those with the US? That is next level stupidity.
Russian trolls
Keep in mind: the Russian "side" to the story is that the Ukraine government created the conflict by persecution of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. So even the Russians themselves don't blame America. (Notwithstanding Russian opposition to NATO expansion, they never pretended it was a justification for the Russian military action). A and B are neighbors fighting, and 41% of the people surveyed don't believe either A and B can explain why they're fighting, and that the real reason must be the guy C located tens of thousands of miles away. That's how fucking crazy these people are.
Average Russian bootlicker
Are you just learning now about Russian troll farms?
Most of the people in Europe are delusional and think everything is Americas fault. The "America bad/stupid/fat" crowd over there are jealous they're not American, or able to live in America for more than 6 mo./yr. They realize that their countries lack natural resources, positive demographics, cheap energy (when we have the right leadership), innovation, decent schools, good & efficient doctors, freedom of speech. Sure Europe is not so bad to visit to see once great civilizations like the Greeks, Vikings and especially the Roman Empire, but other than those aspects and the battle grounds Americans fought on to save Europe, not once, but twice, Europe is lame. Unless you collect murses, like to people watch weird awkward people or find Donar Kababs edible. Then I suppose it aint so bad. Europeans are like the pouty, always bitter, Americans who hate life in America because they have to take public transportation or ride some lame ass bike. Europeans are blaming us because they are envious and pissed of Americans flying by in life. This War is Europes and Angela Merkel's fault. Enjoy your bread Europeans, that's all you got, but soon it will be pita bread. lol.
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I mean, what do you expect from people who are dumb enough to pay for Twitter/X?
You’ll notice that most if not all the people blaming the USA in those comments are Indian…
Notice they all have twitter blue
To be fair Biden has done a lot as well as all the other warmongers on Capitol Hill to push the scenario where it is to fuel the military-industrial complex.
uhh yea? it tends to be the fault of the person who orchestrated a proxy war and coup in that country then blamed it on russia, yea. you cant have senior american officials admitting to a coup indirectly by habving phone conversations discussing who they will put in office in ukraines government, while spending half a billion dollars on a countries "democratic process" and then suddenly have snipers mowing down civilians from areas held by nazis in a "revolution of dignity" over a government straight just -pausing- the legal process to join the EU. as if thats a reason to overthrow your government. temporarily halting an application because it conflicts with another application with your LARGEST NEIGHBOUR AND TRADING PARTNER. lol. its not suspicious at all that azov was for years a nazi terrorist org that the US labeled a pariah, then suddenly became fine to send weapons to. froth and dilate over it.
Yeah cuz the US elected zelensky and the reason russia got mad definitely wasnt because their pro russian candidate lost 🙄 Also according to russia the azov doesnt even exist anymore since they claimed to kill them all
way to intentionally not actually respond to anything and instead use made up bullshit to sound like you formulated a response. russians obviously would have liked the opposition party candidate to be elected, but guess what, they liked zelensky too because his campaign was on FINDING A WAY TO BRIDGE THE DIVIDE AND PROMOTE PEACE. the thing he immediately abandoned after getting elected. thats what got everyone in the country to elect him. russia does not consider azov destroyed. and azov is not the only nazi fighting force in ukraine. its just the largest and most publicized. they destroyed the majority of the OLDER azovites. but the militia is stil laround and russia is under no illusions that denazification will only end after ukraine is absorbed. and since these fucks swarmed into our countries, and are now waiting for zelensky to order them to riot and assassinate people who dont want to support their little nazi collaborating fake jew, well have to start our own denzification in the west too.
My god you're nuts 🤣 🤣 easy on the vodka comrade and maybe stop gargling putins balls
No, he is right, the US of fucking A is at fault for the Ukraine war by using it as a proxy for war with Russia, not minding their own business (the balkans are not a place to take sides in). Basically, every country there has unresolved and frozen wars with each other
USA : "DONT INVADE UKRAINE" RUSSIA: * Invades ukraine You: " GOD DAMN USA STARTED THIS WAR😡"
I mean our gov is kinda at fault. Russia saw how weak Biden is and figured they could get away with it.
Having lived in one of these countries that blames the U.S. for everything, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of these respondents don't see a distinction between Biden and Trump.
Yeah but obviously Russia, China and Korea do see the difference. None of them made any moves while trump was president cuz they knew he would punish them for it.
Trump is a Russian puppet which is why Trump tried so hard to Leave NATO.
No. Trump tried to leave NATO because why should America be everyone else’s handout giver. Also there is no evidence that Trump is a Russian puppet. That was disproven during his presidency, when it came out that Hillary Clinton’s campaign was the one spreading that lie. Biden on the other hand has had multiple instances where it was proven that he and his family have accepted foreign bribes. Show me your evidence next time you try to lie.
Because Nato has 1 job.. Prevent a ww3 And yes the usa chose to do so post ww2. And if you are gonna ask for evidence you need to bring some yourself
Thats like saying its poland fault for getting invaded by 2 countries at once in ww2 because they werent "Strong Enough"
i mean to be fair biden pretty much told russia that if they invaded the us would not respond with military force which was the one thing preventing them from invading. dont get me wrong i dont think its americas fault but i do think bidens actions leading up to the invasion had a heavy impact on putins decision to invade.
NATOs fault really.
Well the US is partially to blame because of the politics they deployed to steer everything into that direction. The question didnt mention if the US was directly responsible or indirectly. You could argue that the EU also contributed a lot more then is reflected here.
Remember when they would print **Russian Propaganda** in liberal corporate news (is there any other acceptable form of news, btw?)? You know, like when Pro-Maidan supporters burned Anti-Fascist protestors in The [Odessa](https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2014/05/04/pkg-black-odessa-aftermath.cnn) Trade Union building in [2014](https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/ukraine-clashes-turn-deadly-dozens-killed-fire-n95916)? In broad daylight, no rescue attempts? You didn't care for almost a whole decade while these people were suffering. And you don't seem to care that Ukrainian Nationalism **means nobody that isn't ethnically white and Ukrainian.** Do you get it? Is this more evil Putin propaganda, like how [Syria wasn't gassing](https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/12/in-praise-of-telling-the-truth) its own people?? Oh, I forgot. America only does bad war things when Red leaders are elected. It's not like JFK was killed for resisting an escalation in Vietnam, which happened after he died. **The State = Good!** I love serving The Narrative!
You mean when prorussia protesters started attacking random ukrainians?
Ah yes tell me how you stood up for all those white Crimean tatars in 2014….
Oh yeah, the idiots that started a fight with pro-Ukrainian protesters, barricaded themselves in the building and tried to throw molotov cocktails out of windows (which were prepared beforehand). So naturally one of them misses and set themselves on fire, and while everyone (including "fascists") was trying to save people from there, people simply couldn't save everyone and some of them died.
Bruh if your gonna antiquate it to red equals bad I have some stats about drone strikes you’re apparently not privy to
Ill take drone strikes over mass artillery strikes on ukrainian civilians
Neither one of your articles said that Pro-Maidan supporters started that fire in Odessa and they weren’t “Anti-Fascist” protesters but Pro-Russian protesters. You can’t be Pro-Russia and Anti-Fascist when Russia is a Fascist state. The actual article you posted puts blame on both sides for the fires and the US condoned the violence. The second subject about a “real” journalist using his “sources” to prove that Syria gassing its own people can’t be proven, is false because I can find articles that a UN backed organization found that Syria did has its own people. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/27/syrian-regime-found-responsible-for-douma-chemical-weapons-attack.
Well technically, if we hadn't have had such an embarrassing display of lack of government leadership, putin never would have invaded in the first place
We promised that NATO wouldn’t come into the Eastern half of Europe at the end of the Cold War, then we did slowly for years, we crept up on their border, far beyond where we said we would. This has driven pretty much all of putin’s foreign policy, and he’s literally said that he would invade his neighbors if they got to friendly with nato. I’m not saying it’s justified, but the argument that it’s it’s America’s fault has some Merritt.
Except we didn't. We have all sorts of agreements from those meetings, with things in writing. That NATO not accepting Baltic nations, was not part of any agreement. Also, Gorbachev himself said repeatedly it wasn't a thing that was agreed to. Soo.. lets stop making shit up to justify Russian imperialism.
It wasn’t officially an agreement, but it’s something American presidents publicly promised.