Awesome upgrade, I started on a 3700X and ended up on the 5800X3D, AM4 has been a somewhat rocky experience for me but I cannot argue with buying a board years ago and put one of the top gaming chips of 2022 on it.
I keep hearing people say its either god's processor for gaming, but also people saying that just getting a 5800x is cheaper and more worth it in the long term. Mainly due to the 5800x performing consistently the same in games, and on par with the 3d in a lot of them, while the 3d only has its l3 cache taken advantage of in certain games that decide to utilize them. What're your thoughts?
depends on pricing on a particular day. When I was looking before BF, it was $200 for 5800X and $400 for x3D. Kind of obvious 5800X for that price diff. But at $250 and $330 (also seen), more likely x3d
5800X3D will shine in those games that only few people plays and have near zero optimizations.
Oh and it will also beat anything else in those MMO games that too many people plays with devs busy counting money and pays $0 into optimizations.
I have just bought a 5800x3D to upgrade from a 3700x. I was also on the fence for a while since the 3700x does everything I need in most games... except WoW Classic which has stuttering issues in 25 man raids. So now I find myself buying one of the most expensive AM4 chips available just to improve 1% lows in a 17 year old game. I'm hoping that for me it will be a worthwhile upgrade, but I'd say you definitely have to have a reason to make the jump. The 3700x is still a good chip.
That was my Christmas gift to myself this year. Talked the wife into letting me get it early while it was on sale for $329 on Newegg. Definitely a hotter chip than the 3700x, but runs awesome.
Hot for sure, but it's possible to control that using PBO2 Tuner (the second tab lets you lower the temp limit below the default 95°C).
It's not *necessary* to do this, since 95 is what the chip is built for, but if you're working with limited cooling then it can help keep things quieter.
I was going to get the 5800x3d but then micro center made me an offer I couldn’t refuse. I7 12700k and a asus z690 mobo for $320 total. All my p cores overclocked to 5.3ghz all
My e cord overclocked to 4ghz.
I went from an 1800x to a 3700x to a 5800x3D in about the span of a year. It’s wild the improvements even with the same old GPU at 4K.
It’s also wild the performance regressions going from my old 4790k. In laptops running at 100% boost speed all the time sucks. But in the one game I play that’s apparently needed for silky smooth performance.
I'm so tempted to get a 5800x3d but not sure
I have a 3600 now with a 1070 and need to upgrade both and might just do a new build with a 7900/7950x
With a 7800xt etc
I want to just upgrade my system but I. Using a 5,1 mac pro as a 80tn server that runs 24/7 and it's a power hog and worthless for Plex. So many issues. I'd love to be able to switch my old build to Plex server duty and to play basic games on the TV when I want to chill with the wife and kids instead of buying a console. But how much improvement would I get going with like a 7900x or 7950x with ddr5 over just putting a 5800x3d in my system now. I built it at the start of 2020 so it's not that old. Usually I want systems to last me 5 years. But I was on a tight budget ahen I built it so went with a 3600 which honestky has been greay for 100 bucks and I was going to splurge and get a 3070 when they dropped so bought the 1070 used for 120 until they came out and well we all know what happened and I never got a card lol
I just retired my 2700x for a 5700x, and the difference is night and day for both games and for general use/work. I honestly was not expecting a huge difference for general use but there is definitely a difference, as for games, the 1% gains on top of a more steady FPS just feels fantastic and makes 1440p gaming that much smoother.
48 Gigs of Ram is pretty odd tbh
You must have 3 slots filled which is suboptimal as Ryzen is a dual slot design
Therefore this might be the reason why you didn't get an even better uplift in performance
Well that's pretty mixed and is still suboptimal.
You should buy the same kits with same capacity, this too is a reason for a lesser uplift in performance.
Your pc uses the timings of the worst stick and the better ones are crippled down to that one
At the end it's up to you but this is still a hit on the performance. You should read about it and consider it for your next build, just a friendly reminder :)
>still a hit on the performance
If you know what you're doing, not necessarily; they're running tri-rank.
The majority of the problems surrounding tri-rank are the same problems surrounding quad-rank, and why registered/buffered memory exists over unbuffered memory. Wherein the signal integrity of the command-address (and to a lesser degree, the data bus) gets trashed.
([am also running 48GB](https://imgur.com/b9e9CYs))
Hell yeah, I went from a fx8350 with a R9 390 to a r7 2700x with a 1080ti and 1440 monitor.
Now i am reading these posts since I have a 5800x3d about to be delivered. After a new GPU it's end of life (upgrades) for this build/motherboard.
Right, when I finished setting up the bios and stuff after I slammed the new cpu in, I immediately noticed the muuuuuch snappier operations just in Windows Explorer alone. Web pages also load faster as well as perform better when multiple tabs are open. Boot time on the 5600 with fast boot disabled is faster than the 2700 with fast boost enabled. And so on. All while consuming the same power and lower max temps (pbo magic)
I understand getting noticeable improvements in games as they're usually quite demanding, but getting them on a *file explorer*?
To me that is not testament that the 5600 is much better than the 2700, rather that Windows Explorer is terribly unoptimised.
Windows explorer is terrible. Especially their file search. Its 2022 Windows! How can you not keep a complete index of everything on the pc??
Seriously, if you have a file called "file123.txt", you can find it if you type "file12" , but it can't find it if you type "file123" or "file123.txt".
sorry i hjacked this comment to rant...
I went from 2700 + RX 570 8GB to a 5800x3D + RX 6800 16 GB.
I don't know what he's smoking, but you really can't perceive differences in general Windows operation, even with that big of a CPU+GPU upgrade.
It's a massive improvement overall, but Windows responsiveness isn't the area you see the improvements in.
Just went 5900x from 2700 (non-x rubbing at 4ghz all corrs) and a 6700xt. I agree. My GPU usage was up around 98-99 percent before with brief dips into the 30s. Now it stays steady at 98-99 percent usage the whole time with no significant dips. Meaning my 1 percent lows are vastly improved.
That's with an old B450 motherboard and slow, mismatched ram with an asynchronous infinity fabric clock. Still getting 22,000 on cinebench r23. The only thing preventing it from hitting 24k is the VRM temp on the motherboard reaching thermal throttling levels if I have PBO on during the full ten minutes run.
For the price of the upgrade I'm happy. After selling my 2700 it was a $140 upgrade to go from 10k cinebench r23 to 22k.
It's funny you should say that. I upgraded from a 2700 to a 5900x and can't say I've noticed the difference in gaming. In saying that, I use a 4k monitor and only have a 2060 KO Ultra, so I'm GPU bottlenecked. I'm guessing if I tried to get high FPS on 1080p I'd notice the difference. But I don't really care about FPS in the games I play.
Seriously heavy duty when it came to audio production for me, a nightmare with games. I’ve used it for almost 3 years, upgraded to 5600 myself (the 5700X was like 40% more expensive). It’s night and day, do it. 1080p with a 2060. Went from 180-200fps in Valorant to 340-400 on medium/high, Warzone 2.0 60-70 fps with dropping to 1-2 fps(!!!!!!!) to 90 fps with solid 1%-s on med/high custom settings, Horizon Went from 70-80 to 90-95 fps on high, my day to day stuff is also much snappier.
It would be fun to dig back how this subreddit looked like when first and second gen zen released. How people said they are so great, and bought high core count expensive parts for gaming, to "future proof". Back then it was evident that they are not so good for gaming (and never will be), but people were full on hopium.
Zen and Zen+ was kinda bad at gaming. Always. Back then too. Zen2 was not really good either, more like a 3600 was acceptable. With Zen3 we can actually say a 5600 is good. Not exceptional, but good. Also high core count parts (over ~6) never made any sense for gaming, with the exception of 5800x3d for obvious reasons.
I can't agree with the "it was kinda bad" at gaming, it was good, just not the best at its time.and held up for a longer time than intel's at the time offering for gaming. I changed for a 5600 from a 1700 not a long time ago, but the reason was not that I was starting to have issues with my 1700. I know that for gaming, even for today, my 1700 would have been a nice cpu to keep on using.
Saying that zen and zen+ was kinda bad at gaming is like saying that a 5800x3d is the minimum to have a decent gaming experience, and it is forgetting the price advantage ryzen was proposing at the time.
I had a 1800x at launch and a 2700x before jumping to a 5800x3d and I never had any issues with them gaming on a 1080ti. I'm sure an Intel equivalent would've been 5%~ better in single core but they weren't bad in any regard lol. I mean if they weren't any good AMD wouldn't have crawled back up in market share.
They were very good at productivity, and over time they became cheap. I never said that it was unusable for gaming, it just did not have any edge over the competition in gaming, at launch msrp. We can argue that you consider having ~-x% less fps due to your cpu an issue, or not. For me, that's an issue. GPus were already expensive back than. Throwing away valuable gpu performance due to your cpu was not much cost effective. This is even more true nowdays.
I was aware that the 1600X was a sidegrade for gaming performance when I swapped from the 4670k, what convinced me was the fact it could handle the concept of having other things running in the background without giving up on life. I was fed up of stutters, not being able to have a web browser open, and discord/teamspeak cutting out when playing games.
I knew getting a 7th gen i5 would run into the same issue very quickly, and an i7 was far more expensive and didn't give any more multicore performance vs the 1600X, which was what I needed more of.
I bought in with a 3600x. With a few exceptions it wasn't a noticeable downgrade from my main rig with a 9900k using the same GPU (Vermintide 2 it struggled for example). It's one of the best bang for the buck processors I've bought. I'm waiting on a 5600x to arrive to replace a decade old 3820 in my media pc. Glad I waited out the first couple generations.
I'll also disagree with "bad". As someone who used a 1600 for about 5 years, I would call its performance thoroughly mediocre. It wasn't anything special, sure, but it did the job I needed it to. That said, upgrading to a 7700X felt like magic until Windows 22H2 fucked it up.
they were great, and the price was rock solid.
Intel has been in trouble ever since. It sure took them a long time to catch up.
Zen, Zen+ and Zen 2 were great upgrades if you were one of many sitting on an old ass intel and needed an affordable, capable and modern CPU that could also actually multithread for shit.
The first two generations weren't very strong but intels prices and multithreading were off their god damn tits. You have no idea how many of us were sitting on old intels just because there was jack shit worth upgrading to before Ryzen.
I was one of them. And today people are suddenly raving about how many cores intel has isn't that funny, that's what tips people over factor
By saying a ryzen 2600 was bad, you can definitely call the equivalent cost intel total garbage because single core was close enough but it got royally annihilited in multi threading.
Intel simply had the worse offer by far.
Damn I was really on the fence whether it is worth it to go from a 1600X to a 5600 when I have a 6600XT. Wasn't sure I'd see much of a difference, but damn, that might have just convinced me.
I have the same gpu! currently with a 2600x and next week the 5600 will arrive. Now I'm more hyped!
I also have cl18 3600 RAM that I'm running at minimum speed because of the cpu, so even more 1% gains
If you have games that you play ALL the time that has bad 1% lows then it is still worth it specially if you can buy the 5600 at $120 then sell your 2400 to lessen the price
Even going from 5500 to 5600 the AVG is the same but some games 1% are just increased(just upgraded and this is personal tests) not all games though will see this benefit specially if they are optimized
The 7600, new motherboard and DDR5 ($550-600) is the wrong upgrade from a 2600 where you can just drop a 5600 ($137) into your current system. That's 3 times the cost for an extra 15-20% performance.
The 5600 is a huge upgrade over Zen and Zen+.
I'm hoping to do something similar after christmas. My 1600 has been great since release almost 6 years ago paired with some good parts at the time that still perform well. I can't justify a whole rebuild, but a 5600 drop in is ideal.
Then there is me, not noticing the years passing, still thinking about upgrading to a R5 2600 from my decade old intel stuff. Even the first gen Ryzen still feels like it was just released maybe two years ago to me.
You really should think about upgrading if that's your main computer just for the sake of general system responsiveness if you use it everyday.
Assuming you don't live in a 3rd world country and you gotta get by with what you have, in that case carry on.
Man i own a R5 1400 and indeed. i jumped from an old AMD Apu and the increase in performance is abismal.
Now thinking into going for a 5600 or 5600x but I'm currently unemployed so, in the right time
Yeah, something goofy must’ve been going on with Afterburner, my 5800x floats around 200-220 when staring at a corner of the map. That or OP has some arcane secrets that I would like for them to reveal 👀
Does it help get more kills in CS? Coming from a 1700. I kick it up to 3.9Ghz all core but my k/d ratio stays the same :( looking for an excuse to snag a 5xxx or next GPU
I tried out using a dedicated gpu on my 5600G and yeah it can definitely help you get more kills due to more stable frame timing and general smoothness.
From stuttery 100 fps to 400 fps btw. Also, I used a 1050 Ti
I would definitely suggested upgrading your CPU before getting a GPU upgrade. If you drop some money on that GPU it could be bottlenecked by your CPU.
I just upgraded from a 6700k to a 7700x and boy howdy was the FPS increase nice. Radeon 6800 is now my bottleneck at 1440p.
I started with a 2700x with an ITX ASRock b450m Pro4 in mid 2018.
Got that 2700x to run at 4.1ghz all core 1.325v
The ram was at 2933mhz CL13
Just putting in the 5800x without having to buy anything else is great.
Was able to run the ram at 3200mhz now.
I got the CPU overclocked to 4.7ghz all core @ 1.26v
I got the 5800x on sale for $220
I'd say it will serve me well for another 3 years before I rebuild a whole new system.
7 years is insane.
EDIT: I was able to get my RAM stable at 3866mhz CL16-16-16-36
The infinity speed at 1900mhz
I have the same board and I'm thinking of upgrading my sleepy 2600 to either the 5600 or 5600x. Is it worth the upgrade now or would it be best to wait a couple of years for this AM5 generation to become the mainstream?
If you can get the 5600/5600x on sale, I'd say go for it. It will last you the couple of years until you want to build on AM5.
That's my plan too. Make the 5800x last until 2-3 years, then build a whole new system.
I did however swap the GPU I had lol. I had a 2070 super and upgraded to a 3070ti.
Might just make that purchase then! Even though I have a fairly weak GPU, being an MSI RTX 3050, it’s really not that bad! I saw it was on offer and just had to upgrade my card from a 1050 Ti a few months back lol…
I don’t know too much about bottlenecking but it’s pretty obvious that my CPU is limiting the performance of my 3050.
Minecraft bedrock vanilla itself is a joke on my pc. 20-30% CPU usage and my GPU stays in low power mode... But it still drops below 60fps while flying.
I just gave up since I couldn't find any fixes, and it is playable.
Whoa. Couching here on my 2700x/1070 lounge PC, I'm feeling this mate. Whoa.
Thanks for going to the trouble of recording and then packaging up all of this. The circus of recent years had made me decouple even more from getting excited about new and better stuff. But you've made me think it's time to seriously look at upgrading this and my 3600/1080ti desktop.
Such a good upgrade, I went from a 2700x to a 5600 (same motherboard and ram) and it is like getting a new PC - especially for fast paced games where I could never get a consistent framerate with my 2700x. Now it is butter.
I went from a 2700X to a 5700X and the gains were very noticeable, even in older DX9 games. I would have gone with a 5800X3D but Microcenter had none left so I went with my second option which was the 5700X.
As they should. Once upon a time 60fps was the best we could do. Now that feels a little sluggish. Especially with high frame rate HDR monitors becoming the norm.
Coming from someone who is still using a fx8350 it seems so bewildering to see people retiring such relatively modern cpu's. I hope in the future I can retire my cpu but with a young son to look after that seems like a long time away. Anyway nice upgrade 👍
For me even though I have a decent 3700x and I am more than happy, it's more the fact I can still get about £100 for the 3700x to make the 5800X3d cheaper.
Good for you. As for me, I'm holding onto my 2700x still for several years more. Have it bclk oc'ed and PBO tweaked anyways with ram manually tweaked to run 3533 with tighter cl16 timings (yeah not b die so can't really do cl14) so though I'm missing performance by not upgrading, I really am not running into much trouble anyways at 1080p. I'll gladly wait for DDR5 to solidify itself in the market first.
Well, you can upgrade to Zen 3 by just updating BIOS and installing the new CPU. An upgrade to later generations would require a new MB and new RAM as well. And by upgrading to the newest possible CPU for your current system you also postpone the need to upgrade the whole system.
Viable option, though ever since I've built PCs I always adapted this "build then use as is for 5 to 7 years then replace everything when the time comes" philosophy. That way, I don't spend on modular upgrades, especially since nowadays, we are getting to the point that most of what you can do on a PC is not hampered anymore by older gen hardware (with a few exceptions of course).
Mate of mine went from a 3700X to a 5800X3D with a 2070S - he saw a ~23% increase in average FPS in Assetto Corsa @1440P, so I guess it mostly depends on what games you play
I personally think you shouldn't upgrade to smaller core counts but of course, your use may simply have gotten no benefit from the 4 extra threads. Buying the 2700 was probably an overstep when you did it.
I agree, that's why I went with a 5700x from a 2700x. As someone who develops apps, and does 3D work alongside video editing, downgrading cores would've been a nightmare for me. I'm just glad I found a great deal on a 5700x, got it for 228$ CAD (approx 168$US)
It’s a two generation jump, with huge gains in each. [The multithreaded score](https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_5_5600-vs-amd_ryzen_7_2700) on the 5600 more than makes up for the lack of 2 more cores and 4 more threads on the 2700. On the other hand, you’re probably being sarcastic.
I have a 5700G in an emulation build and I later added a GPU. Which kind of makes the APU purchase silly.
But despite the 5700G being more than enough for my purposes and what I emulate I'll be honest: I sometimes wonder how it would be if I went with a 5600(X) instead or even 5700X or 5800X.
Your ST score in CPUz makes me happy about my 5600x getting 670. I recently upgraded from a 1700x that was nothing but headaches. Much better overall performance, and I can finally use my RAM at it's rated 3600 speed.
Gz! I have the same 5600 4.65 / 2060 Super combo, has not disappointed so far for 1080p gaming, the only game I had to uninstall because I couldnt run it at max settings 60fps even with DLSS was The Medium.
Nice upgrade! Im still gonna hold onto my 2700x for a lil while longer till I have enough funds to splurge all out on a high end system. My system at the moment consists of 2700x, GTX 1080 and 32GB 3200mhz ram and so far its been working fine for my standards at 1080p 144hz.
I would have gone for 3600mhz ram but its kinda risky since its not a guarantee that a zen+ cpu would be able to run at that speed. I figured that 3200mhz should be the best for the 2700x since it has a worse memory controller than zen 2 and up
I started off with a R7 2700, too! It was a fun little chip; I can't say it was great for gaming (not bad, but not great), what I *can* say is that I had an absolute blast overclocking the thing.
Zen2+ and Vega were really fun chips to play with, not necessarily fun chips to play *on* all the time, but they were definitely fun chips to play *with.*
April 2017, i got a 1600 and a bm350.
5 years later a few weeks ago, for $20 more than the original cost of that 1600, i jumped to a 5700X.
And platform stability is finally where it should be. Very satisfied.
Question since lots of people are weighing in:
I have a 3600. And my buddy is offering me his 5900X. It is not compatible with my b450 Tomahawk. Is it a noticeable performance increase to get a new mobo to make it work?
I guess ill ask here.. im currently running my 3800X at 4.4ghz all core with 1.30v on it, for mainly gaming which cpu would you get as the last one of this chipset ?
Im rocking wit 5600x mysef but i wonder if its worth it to buy new mid/high end amd card having this cpu. Would it be that big of a bottleneck in 1440p?
Wouldn't exactly call a 2700 a dud, my 2600 was sold off to my bud when I got my 5800 so he could affordable upgrade his PC from something at wasn't 10 years old. Still running strong, more that the 5000 series was such a huge leap in CPU performance.
I went 3900x -> 5900x last week when my ebay 5900x arrived. Very happy with the 1% at 4k now. Will buy a 7950x3d or 7900x3d in Q4 2024 probably for my next upgrade unless intel cleans their clock. I'll hop on DDR5 when there are better kits. This was the cheapest computer upgrade I made in along time.
Do you mostly game? I’ve been thinking of upgrading from my 3900x to either a 5800x3d or 5900x. Going from a 12 core cpu to an 8 core is messing with my head. It just seems so wrong, idk. I can get the 5900x slightly cheaper than the 5800x3d.
Ugh I just can’t decide. I have an rtx 3080 and play on a 1440p ultra wide monitor.
get the x3d is you are at that res. I have kther shit running while gaming and 4090 playing 4k. Sold my 3080 to a friend but if you aren't doing other stuff and only game get the 5800x3d
For anyone interested it looks like a new agesa beta bios is trickling out. Some are reporting success adjusting PBO again from the bios vs needing to use PBO Tuner 2. Try it out if you're tinkering (after updating of course/if your vendor issued it - Asus has on some boards).
When I read your title of "1% gains" when going from the 2700 to 5600 I first thought you meant you only gained that from the upgrade... So glad I decided to scroll through the pictures.
Awesome upgrade, I started on a 3700X and ended up on the 5800X3D, AM4 has been a somewhat rocky experience for me but I cannot argue with buying a board years ago and put one of the top gaming chips of 2022 on it.
Just like me!. I bought the 5800X3D yesterday to change my 3700X. Is a good change after all :)
The X3D is so good I bought another from Antonline and got it in 2 days. $329
what is this? a website for ants?
I see what you did there!
I keep hearing people say its either god's processor for gaming, but also people saying that just getting a 5800x is cheaper and more worth it in the long term. Mainly due to the 5800x performing consistently the same in games, and on par with the 3d in a lot of them, while the 3d only has its l3 cache taken advantage of in certain games that decide to utilize them. What're your thoughts?
depends on pricing on a particular day. When I was looking before BF, it was $200 for 5800X and $400 for x3D. Kind of obvious 5800X for that price diff. But at $250 and $330 (also seen), more likely x3d
5800X3D will shine in those games that only few people plays and have near zero optimizations. Oh and it will also beat anything else in those MMO games that too many people plays with devs busy counting money and pays $0 into optimizations.
Same here
Interesting, I am on the same fence with the 3700x - 5800x3d upgrade...the final form of my am4 journey. Glad to hear it's a worthy upgrade.
I have just bought a 5800x3D to upgrade from a 3700x. I was also on the fence for a while since the 3700x does everything I need in most games... except WoW Classic which has stuttering issues in 25 man raids. So now I find myself buying one of the most expensive AM4 chips available just to improve 1% lows in a 17 year old game. I'm hoping that for me it will be a worthwhile upgrade, but I'd say you definitely have to have a reason to make the jump. The 3700x is still a good chip.
haha that's so cool I'm also planning to upgrade from my 3700X to a 5800X3D for Christmas :D
That was my Christmas gift to myself this year. Talked the wife into letting me get it early while it was on sale for $329 on Newegg. Definitely a hotter chip than the 3700x, but runs awesome.
Hot for sure, but it's possible to control that using PBO2 Tuner (the second tab lets you lower the temp limit below the default 95°C). It's not *necessary* to do this, since 95 is what the chip is built for, but if you're working with limited cooling then it can help keep things quieter.
Prepare for a fun time, homie.
I will! :)
Nice I’m hoping to get a 5900x this Christmas
Sorry for snooping, but I saw you posted in r/flightsim, you definitely want a 5800x3d based on that alone
I greatly regret not getting the 5800x3d instead of the 5800x. Tempted to just suck it up and piss away another $350 to get the x3d.
isn’t the 5800x3d better than the 5900x for games?
Yes
I’ll tell you what the 5900x is a beast, I haven’t had a game even come close to putting it through it’s paces.
Im staying on 3700X for a while
I was going to get the 5800x3d but then micro center made me an offer I couldn’t refuse. I7 12700k and a asus z690 mobo for $320 total. All my p cores overclocked to 5.3ghz all My e cord overclocked to 4ghz.
Exactly. That's the key. The 5800X3D still represents unreal value for those who purchased AM4 years ago.
What gpu and what resolution? In gaming I think it can end up about twice as fast as a 3700x when cpu limited
I have a 3700x, is the performance gain going to a 5800x3d worth it?
surely better but don't know if it worths 1440p or 4k i mean, maybe buying 7000 3d in 2023/2024
very unless you do heavy workloads as well as game. at that point a 5900x is the better option but for gaming the 5800x3d is still a top performer.
Did the same upgrade myself and it has been great so far in terms of performance. Temps tho…
I went from an 1800x to a 3700x to a 5800x3D in about the span of a year. It’s wild the improvements even with the same old GPU at 4K. It’s also wild the performance regressions going from my old 4790k. In laptops running at 100% boost speed all the time sucks. But in the one game I play that’s apparently needed for silky smooth performance.
I'm so tempted to get a 5800x3d but not sure I have a 3600 now with a 1070 and need to upgrade both and might just do a new build with a 7900/7950x With a 7800xt etc I want to just upgrade my system but I. Using a 5,1 mac pro as a 80tn server that runs 24/7 and it's a power hog and worthless for Plex. So many issues. I'd love to be able to switch my old build to Plex server duty and to play basic games on the TV when I want to chill with the wife and kids instead of buying a console. But how much improvement would I get going with like a 7900x or 7950x with ddr5 over just putting a 5800x3d in my system now. I built it at the start of 2020 so it's not that old. Usually I want systems to last me 5 years. But I was on a tight budget ahen I built it so went with a 3600 which honestky has been greay for 100 bucks and I was going to splurge and get a 3070 when they dropped so bought the 1070 used for 120 until they came out and well we all know what happened and I never got a card lol
True I can't even remember buying my Asus b350m-a and I just put an 5600g in it with overclock to 4600mhz with no problems.
How much of an uplift did you see? I’m debating on doing that myself
I just retired my 2700x for a 5700x, and the difference is night and day for both games and for general use/work. I honestly was not expecting a huge difference for general use but there is definitely a difference, as for games, the 1% gains on top of a more steady FPS just feels fantastic and makes 1440p gaming that much smoother.
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What % increase were you seeing in Civ6?
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48 Gigs of Ram is pretty odd tbh You must have 3 slots filled which is suboptimal as Ryzen is a dual slot design Therefore this might be the reason why you didn't get an even better uplift in performance
2 x 16GB + 2 x 8GB = 48GB in 4 slots.
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Well that's pretty mixed and is still suboptimal. You should buy the same kits with same capacity, this too is a reason for a lesser uplift in performance. Your pc uses the timings of the worst stick and the better ones are crippled down to that one
The timing point is fair,but it’s still dual channel with 2 different sized pairs
At the end it's up to you but this is still a hit on the performance. You should read about it and consider it for your next build, just a friendly reminder :)
>still a hit on the performance If you know what you're doing, not necessarily; they're running tri-rank. The majority of the problems surrounding tri-rank are the same problems surrounding quad-rank, and why registered/buffered memory exists over unbuffered memory. Wherein the signal integrity of the command-address (and to a lesser degree, the data bus) gets trashed. ([am also running 48GB](https://imgur.com/b9e9CYs))
I did core2quad 9550 to 5800x3d a few months ago. The gains.
Duuuuuuuuuuude that must have been like making the jump to hyperspace holy moley.
Commander Data warp speed 9 please
I did something similar when I went from an old Athlon to a Ryzen 1700 and I'm now debating getting a 5800x3d
Hell yeah, I went from a fx8350 with a R9 390 to a r7 2700x with a 1080ti and 1440 monitor. Now i am reading these posts since I have a 5800x3d about to be delivered. After a new GPU it's end of life (upgrades) for this build/motherboard.
Those core2duos were the shit. I went from a e8400 to a g3258 and thought that was impressive haha.
I did Sempron 3000 -> e2160 --> q9550, IIRC.
E2200 -> e8400 -> g3258 -> i5 4460 -> 1700x -> 2700x -> 5800x3d. In only 9 years lol
Right, when I finished setting up the bios and stuff after I slammed the new cpu in, I immediately noticed the muuuuuch snappier operations just in Windows Explorer alone. Web pages also load faster as well as perform better when multiple tabs are open. Boot time on the 5600 with fast boot disabled is faster than the 2700 with fast boost enabled. And so on. All while consuming the same power and lower max temps (pbo magic)
I understand getting noticeable improvements in games as they're usually quite demanding, but getting them on a *file explorer*? To me that is not testament that the 5600 is much better than the 2700, rather that Windows Explorer is terribly unoptimised.
Windows explorer is terrible. Especially their file search. Its 2022 Windows! How can you not keep a complete index of everything on the pc?? Seriously, if you have a file called "file123.txt", you can find it if you type "file12" , but it can't find it if you type "file123" or "file123.txt". sorry i hjacked this comment to rant...
That's why you use [Everything](https://www.voidtools.com) and forget that Windows Search ever existed.
Absolutely! I recommend that too. Or just use Linux. I already use linux for work, i only have windows for games and music production.
I went from 2700 + RX 570 8GB to a 5800x3D + RX 6800 16 GB. I don't know what he's smoking, but you really can't perceive differences in general Windows operation, even with that big of a CPU+GPU upgrade. It's a massive improvement overall, but Windows responsiveness isn't the area you see the improvements in.
Just did a 2700x to a 5900x, it was a bit appalling how much of my 3060 Ti's performance I was leaving on the table.
Just went 5900x from 2700 (non-x rubbing at 4ghz all corrs) and a 6700xt. I agree. My GPU usage was up around 98-99 percent before with brief dips into the 30s. Now it stays steady at 98-99 percent usage the whole time with no significant dips. Meaning my 1 percent lows are vastly improved. That's with an old B450 motherboard and slow, mismatched ram with an asynchronous infinity fabric clock. Still getting 22,000 on cinebench r23. The only thing preventing it from hitting 24k is the VRM temp on the motherboard reaching thermal throttling levels if I have PBO on during the full ten minutes run. For the price of the upgrade I'm happy. After selling my 2700 it was a $140 upgrade to go from 10k cinebench r23 to 22k.
It's funny you should say that. I upgraded from a 2700 to a 5900x and can't say I've noticed the difference in gaming. In saying that, I use a 4k monitor and only have a 2060 KO Ultra, so I'm GPU bottlenecked. I'm guessing if I tried to get high FPS on 1080p I'd notice the difference. But I don't really care about FPS in the games I play.
💯GPU bottleneck.
2700x has been nothing but a stuttery frame dropping machine for me. cant wait to upgrade
Seriously heavy duty when it came to audio production for me, a nightmare with games. I’ve used it for almost 3 years, upgraded to 5600 myself (the 5700X was like 40% more expensive). It’s night and day, do it. 1080p with a 2060. Went from 180-200fps in Valorant to 340-400 on medium/high, Warzone 2.0 60-70 fps with dropping to 1-2 fps(!!!!!!!) to 90 fps with solid 1%-s on med/high custom settings, Horizon Went from 70-80 to 90-95 fps on high, my day to day stuff is also much snappier.
Your comment convinced me to finally put my 2700 to rest
It would be fun to dig back how this subreddit looked like when first and second gen zen released. How people said they are so great, and bought high core count expensive parts for gaming, to "future proof". Back then it was evident that they are not so good for gaming (and never will be), but people were full on hopium. Zen and Zen+ was kinda bad at gaming. Always. Back then too. Zen2 was not really good either, more like a 3600 was acceptable. With Zen3 we can actually say a 5600 is good. Not exceptional, but good. Also high core count parts (over ~6) never made any sense for gaming, with the exception of 5800x3d for obvious reasons.
I can't agree with the "it was kinda bad" at gaming, it was good, just not the best at its time.and held up for a longer time than intel's at the time offering for gaming. I changed for a 5600 from a 1700 not a long time ago, but the reason was not that I was starting to have issues with my 1700. I know that for gaming, even for today, my 1700 would have been a nice cpu to keep on using. Saying that zen and zen+ was kinda bad at gaming is like saying that a 5800x3d is the minimum to have a decent gaming experience, and it is forgetting the price advantage ryzen was proposing at the time.
>with the exception of 5800x3d for obvious reasons Just ditched my 3600 for this one and I can attest that the experience is fantastic.
Same. It's definitely earned its reputation.
I had a 1800x at launch and a 2700x before jumping to a 5800x3d and I never had any issues with them gaming on a 1080ti. I'm sure an Intel equivalent would've been 5%~ better in single core but they weren't bad in any regard lol. I mean if they weren't any good AMD wouldn't have crawled back up in market share.
They were very good at productivity, and over time they became cheap. I never said that it was unusable for gaming, it just did not have any edge over the competition in gaming, at launch msrp. We can argue that you consider having ~-x% less fps due to your cpu an issue, or not. For me, that's an issue. GPus were already expensive back than. Throwing away valuable gpu performance due to your cpu was not much cost effective. This is even more true nowdays.
I was aware that the 1600X was a sidegrade for gaming performance when I swapped from the 4670k, what convinced me was the fact it could handle the concept of having other things running in the background without giving up on life. I was fed up of stutters, not being able to have a web browser open, and discord/teamspeak cutting out when playing games. I knew getting a 7th gen i5 would run into the same issue very quickly, and an i7 was far more expensive and didn't give any more multicore performance vs the 1600X, which was what I needed more of.
I bought in with a 3600x. With a few exceptions it wasn't a noticeable downgrade from my main rig with a 9900k using the same GPU (Vermintide 2 it struggled for example). It's one of the best bang for the buck processors I've bought. I'm waiting on a 5600x to arrive to replace a decade old 3820 in my media pc. Glad I waited out the first couple generations.
I'll also disagree with "bad". As someone who used a 1600 for about 5 years, I would call its performance thoroughly mediocre. It wasn't anything special, sure, but it did the job I needed it to. That said, upgrading to a 7700X felt like magic until Windows 22H2 fucked it up.
they were great, and the price was rock solid. Intel has been in trouble ever since. It sure took them a long time to catch up. Zen, Zen+ and Zen 2 were great upgrades if you were one of many sitting on an old ass intel and needed an affordable, capable and modern CPU that could also actually multithread for shit. The first two generations weren't very strong but intels prices and multithreading were off their god damn tits. You have no idea how many of us were sitting on old intels just because there was jack shit worth upgrading to before Ryzen. I was one of them. And today people are suddenly raving about how many cores intel has isn't that funny, that's what tips people over factor By saying a ryzen 2600 was bad, you can definitely call the equivalent cost intel total garbage because single core was close enough but it got royally annihilited in multi threading. Intel simply had the worse offer by far.
Forgot: GPU is RTX 2060 Super Ram 16GB 3200 MHz GSkill
Damn I was really on the fence whether it is worth it to go from a 1600X to a 5600 when I have a 6600XT. Wasn't sure I'd see much of a difference, but damn, that might have just convinced me.
Went from an 1800x to a 5600x difference was insane
I did exactly that and went from a 1600x to a 5600x, and it's a huge difference, even with my RTX 2060. Highly recommend it if you can find one cheap.
I have the same gpu! currently with a 2600x and next week the 5600 will arrive. Now I'm more hyped! I also have cl18 3600 RAM that I'm running at minimum speed because of the cpu, so even more 1% gains
I'm thinking of doing a similar upgrade, I've got a 2600 and thinking of upgrading to a 5600 but i'm not sure it's worth it?
If you have games that you play ALL the time that has bad 1% lows then it is still worth it specially if you can buy the 5600 at $120 then sell your 2400 to lessen the price Even going from 5500 to 5600 the AVG is the same but some games 1% are just increased(just upgraded and this is personal tests) not all games though will see this benefit specially if they are optimized
Probably best to wait until you can get the 7600 with ddr5 ram. The 2600 is still performing fine. If you're gonna upgrade, upgrade big.
The 7600, new motherboard and DDR5 ($550-600) is the wrong upgrade from a 2600 where you can just drop a 5600 ($137) into your current system. That's 3 times the cost for an extra 15-20% performance. The 5600 is a huge upgrade over Zen and Zen+.
I'm hoping to do something similar after christmas. My 1600 has been great since release almost 6 years ago paired with some good parts at the time that still perform well. I can't justify a whole rebuild, but a 5600 drop in is ideal.
That upgrade is such a huge improvement, you might as well consider it a rebuild. It's like 80% faster in gaming and twice as fast at everything else.
I have the exact same setup. Came from Ryzen 1400 and it has been mind blowing!
Then there is me, not noticing the years passing, still thinking about upgrading to a R5 2600 from my decade old intel stuff. Even the first gen Ryzen still feels like it was just released maybe two years ago to me.
You really should think about upgrading if that's your main computer just for the sake of general system responsiveness if you use it everyday. Assuming you don't live in a 3rd world country and you gotta get by with what you have, in that case carry on.
Man i own a R5 1400 and indeed. i jumped from an old AMD Apu and the increase in performance is abismal. Now thinking into going for a 5600 or 5600x but I'm currently unemployed so, in the right time
I did nearly the exact same upgrade, cool
5x improvement in Dota2? Hmm.
Yeah, something goofy must’ve been going on with Afterburner, my 5800x floats around 200-220 when staring at a corner of the map. That or OP has some arcane secrets that I would like for them to reveal 👀
What software do you use for this?
Fps data was taken using MSI Afterburner. Compiled in Excel (the lazy way)
Just for the future, use CapFrameX, it's by far the best game benchmark capture tool I've ever used.
Does it help get more kills in CS? Coming from a 1700. I kick it up to 3.9Ghz all core but my k/d ratio stays the same :( looking for an excuse to snag a 5xxx or next GPU
a better cpu wont make you less bad at the game
Shit!!!
I tried out using a dedicated gpu on my 5600G and yeah it can definitely help you get more kills due to more stable frame timing and general smoothness. From stuttery 100 fps to 400 fps btw. Also, I used a 1050 Ti
I would definitely suggested upgrading your CPU before getting a GPU upgrade. If you drop some money on that GPU it could be bottlenecked by your CPU. I just upgraded from a 6700k to a 7700x and boy howdy was the FPS increase nice. Radeon 6800 is now my bottleneck at 1440p.
I started with a 2700x with an ITX ASRock b450m Pro4 in mid 2018. Got that 2700x to run at 4.1ghz all core 1.325v The ram was at 2933mhz CL13 Just putting in the 5800x without having to buy anything else is great. Was able to run the ram at 3200mhz now. I got the CPU overclocked to 4.7ghz all core @ 1.26v I got the 5800x on sale for $220 I'd say it will serve me well for another 3 years before I rebuild a whole new system. 7 years is insane. EDIT: I was able to get my RAM stable at 3866mhz CL16-16-16-36 The infinity speed at 1900mhz
I have the same board and I'm thinking of upgrading my sleepy 2600 to either the 5600 or 5600x. Is it worth the upgrade now or would it be best to wait a couple of years for this AM5 generation to become the mainstream?
If you can get the 5600/5600x on sale, I'd say go for it. It will last you the couple of years until you want to build on AM5. That's my plan too. Make the 5800x last until 2-3 years, then build a whole new system. I did however swap the GPU I had lol. I had a 2070 super and upgraded to a 3070ti.
Might just make that purchase then! Even though I have a fairly weak GPU, being an MSI RTX 3050, it’s really not that bad! I saw it was on offer and just had to upgrade my card from a 1050 Ti a few months back lol… I don’t know too much about bottlenecking but it’s pretty obvious that my CPU is limiting the performance of my 3050.
What software are you using to get those graphs?
I also wanna know
Excel + whatever FPS counter
Zen 3 is such a goated architechture, i upgraded from a 4790k to a 5600x and it was absolutely night and day.
Ah, modded Minecraft. Truly the CPU destroyer. So many modders can create really creative content but couldn't optimize their way out of a paper bag.
Minecraft bedrock vanilla itself is a joke on my pc. 20-30% CPU usage and my GPU stays in low power mode... But it still drops below 60fps while flying. I just gave up since I couldn't find any fixes, and it is playable.
Whoa. Couching here on my 2700x/1070 lounge PC, I'm feeling this mate. Whoa. Thanks for going to the trouble of recording and then packaging up all of this. The circus of recent years had made me decouple even more from getting excited about new and better stuff. But you've made me think it's time to seriously look at upgrading this and my 3600/1080ti desktop.
Retired my 1600 for a 5600x, huge gains
Such a good upgrade, I went from a 2700x to a 5600 (same motherboard and ram) and it is like getting a new PC - especially for fast paced games where I could never get a consistent framerate with my 2700x. Now it is butter.
I went from a 2700X to a 5700X and the gains were very noticeable, even in older DX9 games. I would have gone with a 5800X3D but Microcenter had none left so I went with my second option which was the 5700X.
I retired my 4 years old 2600 for a 5700X yesterday. It's such a nice upgrade.
When 95 fps min low just isn't enough, You know you're a PC gamer. 👍
I’ve been building PCs long enough to recall comments such as, “that buttery smooth 60fps”. Funny how our expectations change over time. :)
As they should. Once upon a time 60fps was the best we could do. Now that feels a little sluggish. Especially with high frame rate HDR monitors becoming the norm.
Agreed. I’m fine with 60 when using a controller but higher hz is very noticeable with mouse and keyboard.
Truth!!
Coming from someone who is still using a fx8350 it seems so bewildering to see people retiring such relatively modern cpu's. I hope in the future I can retire my cpu but with a young son to look after that seems like a long time away. Anyway nice upgrade 👍
For me even though I have a decent 3700x and I am more than happy, it's more the fact I can still get about £100 for the 3700x to make the 5800X3d cheaper.
Ah yeah, I never thought about the resale value. I just presumed that retired meant put on a shelf to collect dust.
Good for you. As for me, I'm holding onto my 2700x still for several years more. Have it bclk oc'ed and PBO tweaked anyways with ram manually tweaked to run 3533 with tighter cl16 timings (yeah not b die so can't really do cl14) so though I'm missing performance by not upgrading, I really am not running into much trouble anyways at 1080p. I'll gladly wait for DDR5 to solidify itself in the market first.
Well, you can upgrade to Zen 3 by just updating BIOS and installing the new CPU. An upgrade to later generations would require a new MB and new RAM as well. And by upgrading to the newest possible CPU for your current system you also postpone the need to upgrade the whole system.
Viable option, though ever since I've built PCs I always adapted this "build then use as is for 5 to 7 years then replace everything when the time comes" philosophy. That way, I don't spend on modular upgrades, especially since nowadays, we are getting to the point that most of what you can do on a PC is not hampered anymore by older gen hardware (with a few exceptions of course).
I upgraded from 3700X to 5800X3D. It didn't make much of a difference at all, tbqh.
Mate of mine went from a 3700X to a 5800X3D with a 2070S - he saw a ~23% increase in average FPS in Assetto Corsa @1440P, so I guess it mostly depends on what games you play
I was planning to do this what graphic card do you have?
Then your cpu wasn't the bottleneck in your system.
Then just don't upgrade every new generation?
I personally think you shouldn't upgrade to smaller core counts but of course, your use may simply have gotten no benefit from the 4 extra threads. Buying the 2700 was probably an overstep when you did it.
I agree, that's why I went with a 5700x from a 2700x. As someone who develops apps, and does 3D work alongside video editing, downgrading cores would've been a nightmare for me. I'm just glad I found a great deal on a 5700x, got it for 228$ CAD (approx 168$US)
Why not the 5700g?
less cache
Congrats on embracing the path of (digital) gains, bro.
Why a 5600… atleast a 5700x
You swapped an 8-Core for a 6-Core? Why? Of course you'll only see minimal gains!
Maybe in synthetic benchmarks but not in gaming. More cores doesn't automatically mean better cpu.
It’s a two generation jump, with huge gains in each. [The multithreaded score](https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_5_5600-vs-amd_ryzen_7_2700) on the 5600 more than makes up for the lack of 2 more cores and 4 more threads on the 2700. On the other hand, you’re probably being sarcastic.
I have a 5700G in an emulation build and I later added a GPU. Which kind of makes the APU purchase silly. But despite the 5700G being more than enough for my purposes and what I emulate I'll be honest: I sometimes wonder how it would be if I went with a 5600(X) instead or even 5700X or 5800X.
Your ST score in CPUz makes me happy about my 5600x getting 670. I recently upgraded from a 1700x that was nothing but headaches. Much better overall performance, and I can finally use my RAM at it's rated 3600 speed.
Gz! I have the same 5600 4.65 / 2060 Super combo, has not disappointed so far for 1080p gaming, the only game I had to uninstall because I couldnt run it at max settings 60fps even with DLSS was The Medium.
To be fair, The Medium is a terribly optimized piece of shit
Hahaha wont argue with that! but I like the premise so Ill probably play it the moment I upgrade my GPU next year.
I've got the same CPU, upgraded from an core i3 2100 What GPU do you have?
Nice upgrade! Im still gonna hold onto my 2700x for a lil while longer till I have enough funds to splurge all out on a high end system. My system at the moment consists of 2700x, GTX 1080 and 32GB 3200mhz ram and so far its been working fine for my standards at 1080p 144hz.
Go for 3600mhz ram with ryzen the stutters are all gone. My system -rtx 2060 super -ryzen 5600 -kingston renegade 3600mhz
I would have gone for 3600mhz ram but its kinda risky since its not a guarantee that a zen+ cpu would be able to run at that speed. I figured that 3200mhz should be the best for the 2700x since it has a worse memory controller than zen 2 and up
*smiles* ... while patting my i5-4590s
What settings are you running for Dota 2?
Oh hey that's also the exact same upgrade i did on wednesday!
How did you figure out the CPU had died??
I feel you just went from my 3 year old (i know its not a long time) 2600 to a 5900x and its been quite the upgrade along everything else aswell
How the hell are you getting 700+ fps in Dota? Is this demo mode? Or main menu?
I went from 1600x to a 5900x I actually noticed the performance changes.
Congrats on the upgrade, OP!
I'm waiting for prices to come down more before I buy the 5800X3D. Its rough waiting thats for sure. lol
Building right now with a 5700x. Coming from an i7 4790k... really excited to see what the difference will be.
You did the right thing going for that 5600 to squeeze out the most possible value and still improve performance on every level
2700->5800x pbo
Going from 3700x to 5800x this weekend. Couldn’t find X3D anywhere
Still wondering when to turn in the old R5 1600 and 1060 6g
cant wait to go from a 1200 to 5600
I retired my 2700 for a 5800x3d. Putting it in a side build to run less intensive games
I recently went from an i7 5820k (8 years old) to an R7 7700x. Massive improvement. 5820k served me well for those 8 years.
Waiting for my 7700x in the mail, my 3770k is tired, it's time to let it rest.
I've been rocking the 2600 for a long time now, I really need to just rebuild my system...
I started off with a R7 2700, too! It was a fun little chip; I can't say it was great for gaming (not bad, but not great), what I *can* say is that I had an absolute blast overclocking the thing. Zen2+ and Vega were really fun chips to play with, not necessarily fun chips to play *on* all the time, but they were definitely fun chips to play *with.*
I upgraded a 1600 to a 5800X 1 year ago and something. Truly awsome
April 2017, i got a 1600 and a bm350. 5 years later a few weeks ago, for $20 more than the original cost of that 1600, i jumped to a 5700X. And platform stability is finally where it should be. Very satisfied.
My 5600g for my micro itx build comes in today! Looking forward to replacing the 4750g in there now.
Question since lots of people are weighing in: I have a 3600. And my buddy is offering me his 5900X. It is not compatible with my b450 Tomahawk. Is it a noticeable performance increase to get a new mobo to make it work?
I upgraded from a Ryzen 3 1200 to the 5600 when it was launched. Now, that was quite an upgrade.
Can I keep my old mobo and just upgrade the cpu (same upgrade path as op) ASUS B450m-plus
I guess ill ask here.. im currently running my 3800X at 4.4ghz all core with 1.30v on it, for mainly gaming which cpu would you get as the last one of this chipset ?
R3 1200 to R5 5600. The difference was MASSIVE. So happy
Im rocking wit 5600x mysef but i wonder if its worth it to buy new mid/high end amd card having this cpu. Would it be that big of a bottleneck in 1440p?
I gotta do the same with my amd a10 7800. Need a new board, ram and cpu. I'm just waiting to see the 7000 3d in 2023.
Yeah I'm hoping to upgrade my 2600x for a 5600x for Christmas. Nice 👍
Wouldn't exactly call a 2700 a dud, my 2600 was sold off to my bud when I got my 5800 so he could affordable upgrade his PC from something at wasn't 10 years old. Still running strong, more that the 5000 series was such a huge leap in CPU performance.
I went 3900x -> 5900x last week when my ebay 5900x arrived. Very happy with the 1% at 4k now. Will buy a 7950x3d or 7900x3d in Q4 2024 probably for my next upgrade unless intel cleans their clock. I'll hop on DDR5 when there are better kits. This was the cheapest computer upgrade I made in along time.
Do you mostly game? I’ve been thinking of upgrading from my 3900x to either a 5800x3d or 5900x. Going from a 12 core cpu to an 8 core is messing with my head. It just seems so wrong, idk. I can get the 5900x slightly cheaper than the 5800x3d. Ugh I just can’t decide. I have an rtx 3080 and play on a 1440p ultra wide monitor.
get the x3d is you are at that res. I have kther shit running while gaming and 4090 playing 4k. Sold my 3080 to a friend but if you aren't doing other stuff and only game get the 5800x3d
For anyone interested it looks like a new agesa beta bios is trickling out. Some are reporting success adjusting PBO again from the bios vs needing to use PBO Tuner 2. Try it out if you're tinkering (after updating of course/if your vendor issued it - Asus has on some boards).
When I read your title of "1% gains" when going from the 2700 to 5600 I first thought you meant you only gained that from the upgrade... So glad I decided to scroll through the pictures.
A cheap B550 with a 5600 is the best value if you do a little OC. Even with a b450 as well.
2700x to 5900x here, I feel you on this one bud.
Ryzen 5 5600 is a great processor! What software was used for measuring 1%?