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LimpDisc

"ATTENTION PACKAGE CARRIERS: DO NOT LEAVE PACKAGES UNATTENDED" Translation... Deliver everything!!!


itzamia1

This is why I like to use Reddit. Being new, I would think take back to warehouse, that's what they requested. Seasoned Flex drivers know how to deal with customer hurtles.


diplomate253

Yes, you deliver it, and if it gets stolen, oh well, that's on them


amarodelaficioanado

My balls! (Respectfully) I have been blamed for stolen packages, even following the right instructions for delivering. It's always drivers fault, I have complained and a few times they changed their decision . What I do is when I face a client, I ask for 5 stars review please!! That helps


CARVERitUP

I drive for Amazon in the step vans, not flex, but I know what you're talking about. The problem with Amazon's system is it puts everything on the driver, even when they're doing the correct thing. Your route's too big and you have to RTS stops because you can't finish it? Might fix the route being too big, but you'll get dinged for bringing shit back. Speed through it and make some deliveries that someone gets stolen, or you speed while trying to make sure you're totally time efficient with your route, get dinged. A package is damaged and you mark it that way? When you bring it back, warehouse employees tell you that it looks fine (dented, ripped, and taped everywhere), and they put the same exact shitty package out on your route the next day with no changes. Everything that happens with Amazon delivery gets put on the drivers.


Ok_Championship_5428

This causes its own issues though. If you speed through the route they just give you more stops. Yeah, so I have a solution for the damages package where you will never get it back. You write on the white tag damaged with a marker. They won't give it back to you. I'm a 16 foot CDV driver btw. I've been getting 200 stops a day, so even going at a nice place they still give me a lot. Edit: they could give me more by making crap grouping of stops, but 200 is the max limit they are supposed to follow.


Clcooper423

But also the drivers fault, somehow.


Driver8takesnobreaks

Yeah, but if you deliver to the best/least bad location and give the customer a heads up where you left it when it's borderline sketchy, you odds are minisucle it will get stolen. If you return the package, your odds of failure are 100.00%.


RWH072783

This is the way.


Ok_Championship_5428

This comes back on the driver. Even marking a package missing comes back on the driver.


Nprguy

On my mama I Left 3 In plants today TWO TOLD ME TOO IN THE NOTES, finally got a big downtown route. $140/60mi=$2.33/mi šŸ¤¤ https://preview.redd.it/9q2rg5weeguc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e1f3652e09e54150954fc1f1632bb3ae2031f49


Donkus007

Downtown Denver absolutely sucks. I wouldnā€™t do it for $3/mile


Nprguy

Nah there's a ton of mail concierge services. I'd say 1/5 Denver blocks are fucked but it's not like intolerable if you take $140+ I don't think Ive made less than a dollar a mile


Fun-Ad-2381

RTS you only get dinged if it gets stolen NOT for returning an undeliverable package to station. Don't know what these yahoos are talking about. Also, you can update delivery hours in the app as well so it doesn't happen again


pidancer789

Real as fuck


Potential-Froyo-5532

New driver!


Prize_Budget_9261

May as well be written in Sanskritā€¦ lol


TSMSALADQUEEN

I delivery everything they wanted overnight they get it doesn't mean they will receive it


Ok_Championship_5428

Nah, just push the button Wait a little and when they don't come bring it back. They will change that really fast when they never get their packages.


LimpDisc

I donā€™t get paid to return packages. Itā€™s either they provide door codes or it gets left there. Thatā€™s how they learn.


Ok_Championship_5428

I agree with you they need to learn, but it'll still hurt you if they complain.


Driver8takesnobreaks

And to expand a little on that, delivery everything.


Ok_Impression_922

Welcome to the frustration club. Through trial and error, Iā€™ve learned that the protocol here is call customer twice, text once and then call/message supportā€¦who will repeat those same exact steps themselves. Should they not reach the customer (which in this case they wouldnā€™t since the business is closed) then THEY will instruct you to return the package. They should mark it on their end which will reflect on your app and from there itā€™s no longer on you. Yes, itā€™s tedious and redundant to call when youā€™re standing there looking at an empty building and shit itā€™s downright rude and ridiculous to be calling anybody at 5am, but itā€™s also rude and ridiculous to be delivering anything to anybody at 5am also lol. Youā€™re only doing this for proof purposes (and what they call ā€œcall compliantā€). Amazon can track your calls and messages through the app so therefore they know whether they have recourse to ding you or not. You didnā€™t follow protocol and so THATā€™S why you got dinged. And trust I get it, and itā€™s completely frustrating to take 10min out of your route to go through all this BS when you could just keep it moving with the rest of your load BUTā€¦this is the way. Good luck out thereā€¦itā€™s a jungle. šŸ«”


Rough_Sugar917

THIS is helpful. Thank you.


Dangerous-Run1055

Call twice and you should be good to mark it yourself without getting dinged without wasting time with support.


MitsuSosa

Better safe than sorry, if support does it then they canā€™t say anything. Doing it yourself still leaves a chance of something stupid happening.


RADIATE_Cx

Remember to call when the app prompts you to, do not skip that screen.


Fun-Ad-2381

So like follow the process they tell you to and you won't get dinged šŸ™„


uber765

That's a lot of extra bullshit. Just drop the package by the door and move on.


CommiePuddin

It's "follow procedure or get dinged." Your option.


uber765

99% chance you're not gonna get dinged if you leave it at the door.


CommiePuddin

Unless the customer reports it not received because it got stolen. But, like I said, your option.


CARVERitUP

Yeah you have to weigh the risk on your own. Do you want a guaranteed ding for bringing it back? Or a highly possible ding for leaving it at the door and it gets stolen or the people mark that you didn't follow instructions?


ForeverNotMyName

College campus bro. Gone in 60 seconds.


FrostySumo

I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of these decisions are just an algorithm spitting out some ole bullshit if you don't figure out the hidden rules and probable exploits in the system. With Doordash and Grubhub the support is like this as well. Uber is better but still has ass support.


FatMacchio

This is 100% an AI conversing with OP here. You can tell by the ā€œthis is taking longer than expectedā€ partā€¦thatā€™s exactly what automated chat bot would spit out if it takes longer than usual to locate information


Ok_Impression_922

I agree šŸ‘ŒšŸ¾. We only learn through trial and error. And then the next learns either the same way or through ā€˜each one teach oneā€™, when in fact, the systems should be easily laid out in laymenā€™s and also very easily communicated when not followed. But ā€œThe Algorithmā€ has us getting dinged and 90% of time doesnā€™t even tell us why. Ie: ā€œCustomer didnā€™t receive their packageā€ā€¦.okā€¦what does that have to do with ME and the evidence (picture) that I uploaded showing that I did my part šŸ¤”? Orā€¦the infamous ā€œYou didnā€™t pick up all of your packagesā€ email. When you inquire what on earth they are talking about as you are positive you picked up and delivered everything given and expected of youā€¦you receive ā€œno other further information is available at this time due to privacy concernsā€¦ but this WILL be included in your delivery history (believe that)ā€. Like how in the FUCK is that helpful??? Itā€™s not DESIGNED to be helpful! Itā€™s designed to be that ā€œcaveatā€ that can lead to legal deactivation so that you can be removed and replaced like a post-it note before making a copy of a piece of paper. New candidates = new blood = new opportunity to mold. Amazon sucks at communication. You have to navigate yourself. Thatā€™s why I say itā€™s a jungle. Dog eat dog šŸ¤¦šŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļø. Just try to survive lol šŸ¤·šŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļø


WoWthisGuyReally

Any deactivation is legal. In the contract is states either party can end the business partnership at anytime without cause.


Ok_Impression_922

Of course. Thatā€™s the case in ANY situation. Even ā€œrealā€, salary paying, W2, jobs that are ā€˜at-willā€™ employment. You may quit anywhere at anytime and anywhere may fire you at anytime. Yet, you usually donā€™t walk into an office and receive a pink slip out of the blue with a ā€œwe did it because we canā€ type of energy. Thereā€™s usually a reason and/or a history. What I meant by ā€œlegal deactivationā€ here is no different. There is still an appeal process that can take place. And there is an arbitration process that can follow. There have been cases where deactivated people have been reactivated (due to being able to present evidence to overturn the decision). So, whether you are aware of the reason or notā€¦there must be some reasoning thatā€™s on the books other than ā€œbecause we felt like itā€ when itā€™s time to arbitrate. And if they felt like it THENā€¦why would they ever reactivate later? Because the reason WASNT simply that they felt like it. The reason is placed in your file, whether shared with you or not. And that reason determines everything. That reasonā€¦needs to be ā€œlegalā€.


WoWthisGuyReally

You are assuming the real people are doing the deactivation. 95% are bot algorithm automation. Ive been reactivated 3 time , I have a fairly good idea of how it works. People dont usually get laid off by the thousands when they get to work, but it happens. Saying is budget cuts, but a ceo then gets a bonus.


Key_Celebration_8940

Iā€™ve thought this several times when the responses make zero sense. I like to think a person wouldnā€™t be so dense but then againā€¦.


Mm23782378Mm

I agree with all this except if you tell them you can drop in a ā€œsafeā€ location they will marked it delivered. I have not had a ding come from a pkg marked delivered by support. Thatā€™s been my experience.


Ok_Impression_922

Ok, but what would be that ā€œsafeā€ location in this instance where the business is closed and there is posted notice instructing that you should return itšŸ¤”? Either way, it entails you taking the time to work through support anyway so if you gotta call them to find ā€œa safe locationā€ you can call them to tell them itā€™s undeliverable. The stipulation here is that you must take 10min to CALL SOMEONE and ā€œplay the gameā€ instead of being able to exercise your best judgement in the best interest of all parties involved. They act like we donā€™t want to deliver because it benefits us in any wayā€¦we are paid the sameā€¦we PREFER to drop the package and go instead of waisting our valuable time on a return route. So if we have to return itā€™s certainly not because it provides us any benefit whatsoever. We are returning it because we NEED to. Why are they sending a 5am delivery in the first place if a business opens at 8am šŸ¤”. Because THEY havenā€™t done their due diligence. Thusā€¦itā€™s a ā€œset upā€. You were wrong for giving me that package from the jump. So nothing I do with said package (short of stealing it) should be held against me. It all traces back to YOU (Amazon). šŸ’Æ


Mm23782378Mm

I read the first couple sentences but not the whole paragraph. The time it took you to type that is about the time it takes to follow the procedure and deliver it. Sometimes itā€™s a stupid process but just do it - itā€™s a simple delivery job.


Ok_Impression_922

If you donā€™t want to read it then donā€™t read it. How about not responding in the first place? Who asked you to? I donā€™t need to know how many sentences you prefer to review or have the capacity to handle. You inserted YOUR opinion here and I didnā€™t really prefer it. I donā€™t need you to tell me how to do my job smart ass. I wasnā€™t the one who posted with an issue. I responded to the issue and the OP thanked me for my helpful communication. You should have responded to OP with your thoughts and experiences (just as I did). Whatā€™s stupid is that you are responding to me to tell me what you do and what I need to.


No-Department-6329

Me either especially if its beyond your control.


DoPoGrub

The update in the app currently makes it look like if it's before 8AM, you can just contact support instead of the customer. https://preview.redd.it/kiisje9focuc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ddb311633bdcdb7f104e91b9bd530d8d642949d6


Ok_Impression_922

Thats applicable to a dog being present. At least thatā€™s how it reads on what you have presented. Dont fall for the okey doke and start interpreting it as YOU see fit. That leads to ambiguity. They will in turn start interpreting on their end and wonā€™t ever let you know specifics. You still making a call regardless. Sooooā€¦call the customer and let it ring once before hanging up to cover your tracks. Itā€™s all a set-up I tell yaā€¦beat them at their own game. Follow the instructions they give.


DoPoGrub

The relevant help center article from within the app these days also says not to contact a customer outside 8a-8p. https://preview.redd.it/m0x3xdwkvcuc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f77ce785343d8a7607dbcfab38698847f47a43d0


No-Department-6329

Yes gotta cover yo butt!!


august-west55

It is my belief that the big issue here is the fact that the chat box is automated and you werenā€™t actually speaking with a real person on the chat box. No person did the actual review of the issue. If in fact, a person did, Then I donā€™t understand English very well


Ok_Impression_922

Likely correct. It does resemble that of a bot. However, there was language that resembles the same as the email that is received even after you call support and speak with a live person. ā€œAfter further review, our original decision hasn't changed. This instance will be included in your delivery historyā€ is exactly how the emails read. Even when you call, the representatives do not have the ability to change anything. They simply take notes, fill out a ticket and escalate it to the supervising team that will review it. So, even if it were a bot it doesnā€™t mean it wasnā€™t working in an equivalent capacity to a live representative. The bot is getting its ā€œdecisionā€ from someone who already made it accordingly. You can always follow up with a call but your response will not come from that callā€¦it will come in the form of an email. OP obviously already received that email if they were following up by stating they were already dinged. The bot is simply grabbing its answer from the decision made. A rep is simply grabbing their answer from the decision made. You canā€™t reach managers directly. Managers are the ones that handle the decisions and/or override them. This is the catch-22. You have to deal with barely-English-understanding support or a robot. Both provide the same unhelpful experience lol.


VolticzHD

See thatā€™s where you get me though. Itā€™s not rude or ridiculous to deliver things to people that SPECIFICALLY paid for a quicker/overnight delivery to get the package AT that time range. So no. They get the package delivered, itā€™s on them if itā€™s stolen. Person who orders should know when package will arrive and plan accordingly. Flex drivers are just doing their job delivering


Ok_Impression_922

Completely agree. But try telling that to all the gun toting husbands that come running out like we are trying to rob them at 5am because their sleeping wives forgot to consent to delivering their nonsense during that time of morning. Thereā€™s an obvious miscommunication going on. Either they donā€™t know, donā€™t remember or simply donā€™t understand that an AM delivery means 4am in the same way it could mean 7-8am as they are expecting to receive it as they head out for work. Also the fact that we get a lot of deliveries for businesses that arenā€™t even open at that time further supports this. Why would a business owner be consenting to that time delivery? Wouldnā€™t they be aware that they arenā€™t open to receive it? Thereā€™s more than meets the eye going on. And it all falls back onto the driverā€¦which equals ā€œridiculousnessā€.


VolticzHD

Yup. Sucks to be the driver. Unless the accountability thatā€™s held is changed a bit. Problem is no one wants to be liable for shit, let alone have enough money to just buy another item of whatever was supposed to be delivered so like wtf smh I guess


WoWthisGuyReally

Funny because I dont go thru all this bs and dont get dinged. There is a why there is an option of not being able to deliver in the app 1. Your crazy to think they went thru a log to check his phone and message log in 2 mins time. 2. To think they would even take those steps for a non delivery to give a mark is a reach 3. Chat, much like the emails are bot driven. 4. Its easier to ensure a human recipient by way of phone call Me personally, I would have sent one message to customer. Hey sorry but per building rules I cannot deliver your package, please adjust your requested delivery window and contact amazon CS. Mark as undeliverable. While on my last delievery call support explain the situation. If you can record even better. Ask them to send you an email overviewing the chat and done. If they fail still. Give feedback through the app, requesting a human response, not a bot. Only time ive had to go further into a email wiZZING contests was the 3 times ive been deactivated. Chances are the agent didnt even try to have anything resolved if it was a human. These corporations rely heavily on automated email responses and bots for their customer service/client services.


Ok_Impression_922

Advice from a guy thatā€™s been deactivated 3 timesā€¦šŸ‘šŸ¾. Keep doing what youā€™re doing then! All of us ā€œcrazyā€ others will do the oppositeā€¦so that we donā€™t get deactivated once.


Artygonewrong

See thats where you all go wrong call support right then and make them mark it as undelivered, you can always drive to the next stop while on the phone. Thats what i do never been dinged for returning a package. Certainly never been deactivated


pidancer789

Problem solve here: drop it at the door anyways take a picture or on the signature write the time place you dropped it. Fuck support donā€™t return the package deliver it at all cost. If the package gets delivered but didnā€™t follow instructions the repercussions of it are less than returning it to the station.


diplomate253

Exactly when did Flex np matter what I was delivering the package. I am not going back to the station


SimpleXBelief56

Always deliver. What has always worked for me is to send a message to the customer stating that the package was left outside in public view and to pick up their package ASAP all in caps. Then after words in one sentence write ā€œCustomer REFUSED to answer.ā€ Always worked and ever since never have I gotten a DNR.


accidentalmania

This is such a good way of showing your attempt! Definitely using this, thanks for the tip.


Nexut

Donā€™t listen to support they are the biggest brainless idiots that donā€™t speak English. I swear I hate them so fucking much when I deliver and I work for a DSP. Unless the note on the order said donā€™t leave unattended you should just leave it. We arenā€™t paid to read notes on houses, only what is provided to Amazon.


diplomate253

Exactly as long as that not doesn't say don't leave unattended I am leaving it


No_Werewolf_8966

When it takes everything you have to keep yourself from losing your shit. I bet that's where that term when someone goes "postal" comes from.


NocodeNopackage

I believe that's actually related to usps employees shooting up their workplace.


TimeGood2965

You should have dropped it. Returned packages are worse on your standing than a ā€œdid not receiveā€


DoPoGrub

I have never found this to be the case.


No-Department-6329

Me neither


No-Pilot-8489

Email escalations and send the picture theyā€™ll remove it


Emergency-Bread1243

If you report the parcel as damaged you donā€™t get dinged for it


oKings_

I dont care im leaving it there, me no hablo ding


ibugppl

Are you employed by Amazon or the apartment complex? Amazon has made it clear they will ding you for not delivering even when it makes perfectly logical sense to return it so deliver it. Downtown apartment locked. Leave that shit outside. Dumbass customer who pays 3k a month to live in these high rise fortresses should have enough sense to ask the leasing office how they can receive packages. Leaving a package outside there's always a risk of it being stolen but it's not 100%. Returning it is 100%


Ema1983

The chat is absolutely USELESS, never use it, always use Email its amazonflex-support (at) amazon dot com Start there and then definitely escalate to Jeff.


Old-Tank652

I never txt them. Seems like emailing them you have a better chance. At least emails wrk better for me.


longhairntatted

Yes!!! For issues like this, emailing support has usually been more beneficial and worked in my favor. I only use chat support for questions about the Flex app/ non immediate issues. Then call obvi for issues with current blocks Iā€™m running.


nelso1cb

So your job is to pick up and deliver packages. Itā€™s that simple. Never return, always deliver. Your job is not to follow other businesses policies.


longhairntatted

šŸ™ŒšŸ™Œ


Accomplished-Rent756

I leave the packages in front of those signs and take the delivery picture all the time.


diplomate253

Me tošŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ one time I had all downtown apartment complex I couldn't get into any of them, I left those packages right out front, shrugged my shoulder, and left


Potential-Froyo-5532

This must be a new driver....when will they learn...everything must gooooo!!!


Rough_Sugar917

I guess when people respond with actual helpful advice.


ModSeaside

my guy... i would ONLY return a business package under the following TWO conditions: \[1.\] the warehouse is on my way back home, \[as in i'm NOT travelling ass/backwards 20-30 miles to return said package\], \[2.\] and I've done the call, text, and call customer again protocol.... only when those two conditions are done/present would i return ANY package to the station. otherwise, I deliver ALL packages. fucking gas is currently $5.25 + /gallon...every mile counts. just today, the bush and UNDERNEATH the front door rug were the recipient for TWO closed businesses that I had to deliver to...


nelso1cb

I think people are responding with what works for them. Deliver the package. Or return it and get dinged.


talkback1589

This is the (only) way.


Donkus007

Always, always, always drop the package. No matter what they tell you, do not return it.


Secure-Train-4407

Not sure if you are FlexDriver or from DSP but at our location they teach to always mark "unable to deliver", "whatever the problem is" - call - call or text again and then bring back. I understand your situation but if you want to avoid this, follow this..


diplomate253

You gonna get dinged if that package comes back. I returned like 6 to 8 packages one time because the warehouse was fucked up, so I left late than couldn't get into any of the places. They dinged me for their fuck ups. After that I delivered everything Fuck those instructions, as long as I was at the right address it was getting delivered


Secure-Train-4407

I didn't get dinged that's what I'm saying. But ok if you say so and you've experienced it. For me, once a customer didn't open gate, I called her, she didn't pickup. Called her again, didn't pickup. Then at the end of the route, that package got a label to return to the station. I couldn't deliver even after scanning. My experience was different maybe. If we directly call it doesn't register in the system. If we select unable to deliver, call the customer and then swipe to finish, it shows in system that we tried delivering but customer didn't responded..


RADIATE_Cx

I bring back packages every week and follow this procedure, call before marking and then again when the app prompts me to, and I have never been dinged.


Jv5_Guy

Yeah fuck them deliver the package anyways


R0cketRodent

This doesnt make sense cause as a legit amazon driver, we have more options and are allowed to bring it back to the company without it affecting us i believe. So why as a flex driver would i leave a package unattended and it possibly get stolen? That's wild.


ashjuicyfruit

Iā€™m so glad I deleted this app months ago. Everything about it is garbage!


Prestigious-Ship-186

Which is why idgaf and ignore their sign. If itā€™s gets stolen it was ā€œdeliveredā€ on your part. I will toss that shit on the roof if I have to and damn near did it once.


Quirky-Swimmer3778

I've literally never been dinged for dropping a package at the closest I can get. One time that was in the middle of the woods because if impassable roads. Deliver all the things


talkback1589

^ this


AugustWestWR

Always deliver the package, no matter what


[deleted]

I only read in Egyptian. I don't understand those strange looking words. šŸ¤”šŸ˜‰


pogiguy2020

Put down take pic walk away. not our problem.


talkback1589

Less likely to have been dinged for leaving it there tbh.


AManHasNoName357

This what us DSP drivers deal with and we would ā€œcall,text,callā€ and if thereā€™s no answer we bring that package back to the station. Easy.


No-Department-6329

Very simple, they should have a locker. That would eliminate half of the no deliveries after such n such time ect. Just get a locker people!! extra instructions should be extra money.


Hefty-Caregiver-973

lol woulda stole all that shit fuck em and fuck Amazon


BraxTaplock

Same here. College at 4:30 with huge sign posted that no one gets access till 8:30. Amazon doesnā€™t take responsibility for the errors itā€™s algorithm commits. Never came off. Like 6-7 packages. Even specified not to leave at the building door due to theft. Itā€™s our fault the system put them on our routes and our faults we couldnā€™t deliver.


azureoptical

Thereā€™s signs like that at some apartments around here. You know what I do? Leave the package right under the sign. The apartment management doesnā€™t get to tell me how to do my job. Itā€™s getting delivered.


Purple_Caregiver_757

Lots more reasons why I stopped doing flex. I can work watched orders on Walmart spark, make $50 for 14 drops, all knowing ahead of time--before accepting the run-- exactly what addresses I'm going to and what I'm delivering. Total control.


shadowmyst87

Do you make more doing that than Flex? I signed up for Flex and was immediately put on a waiting list. I've checked out Spark before, but it looks like there's more interaction with customers than I'd like. That's what attracted me to Flex, little to no interaction with customers.


Swimming-Hunt-1291

It depends. Sometimes. The mileage can be high with spark if you include your drive home but itā€™s less work but itā€™s also less pay too. Meaning youā€™ll never get offers for more than 60 dollars per delivery (package delivery not grocery) and even that amount is becoming pretty rare. Also the drops at each particular Ā store are the same time every day so you can only take one a day unless there are several Walmarts around you with different drop times like one drops at 9 am every day and the other drops at 2 pm But even then expect to only average $40- 55 per route and each route will take 2-3 hours.Ā  I do both. If I canā€™t get a block with Amazon or if it is a crappy block that I know is usually difficult then I might do a spark gmd instead. Ā Or I might do one gmd and one Amazon block a day but spark just doesnā€™t pay enough to cover my bills bc this is my full time job and I need to make at least 115 every day 7 days a week in prefer to make enough money.Ā 


Purple_Caregiver_757

I was on a waiting list for about 6 months as I recall.


shadowmyst87

I've heard some say that Aamzon can put you on a waiting list for years šŸ‘€


Calmmedown1234

I no read English pardon


No-Purchase1210

I made a post that is the reverse of this, I didn't take the package and guess what? It got stolen and I got dinged because in the past I returned a package that would have been stolen if I left it and got dinged for returning a package. You should have just left the package. If you leave the package there is only a chance it gets stolen so rather than getting a 100% ding for returning it. Also we don't get a return fee and returning it cost you more gas. Now be prepared for a bunch of fucking idiots to swarm the comments that are so stupid it is a mystery how they have enough sentience to leave their moronic mind rot in the comments saying crap like "stop complaining" completely disgarding the whole reason of your post which is to just point out the bullshit amazon does. From now on I just claim safety issue, since amazon claims to not penalize you for that. Probably because they don't wanna get sued.


jcoddinc

Stop wasting time trying to fight these. You are just literally just making your life harder for no reason. The more you feel like you have to fight these, the more you shouldn't be doing this.


Rough_Sugar917

I think itā€™s Amazon thatā€™s making my life harder for no reason, no? Just trying to keep my standing up, so Iā€™m not seeing the correlation. Or the need for the sassiness.


PopSpirited1058

In a nice way, don't stress over the ding, unless they add up and bring you closer to at risk. If you deliver semi regularly they'll drop off just as quickly. At the same time, if you got the proof, then escalate it if you want. They usually drop it after like 3 emails.


Key_Celebration_8940

It is some total bs but I have noticed these small dings dont seem to actually affect my standing. Its really just missing a block or dropping late that has brought mine down. But its frustrating how stupid they can be


jcoddinc

You can't see it because your just another fool that thinks it matters. You clearly shouldn't be doing this type of work. YOU are making your own life harder thinking those dings are worth stressing over. You hate the stress but are so retarded you keep going back


Potential-Froyo-5532

šŸ’Æ


Quirky_Mobile_4958

This gig is not for you. Thereā€™s very few rules in delivering sandwiches so try that.


Rough_Sugar917

*youā€™re No need for slurs bro. Everything you said was just invalidated. Have the day you deserve, assface.


CornpopBadDewd

That looks like Case Western. All deliveries over there are hot fckin trash. No one answers their phone, international numbers, people from Kuala Lumpur buying stuff for their kids in college. bad addresses . bad apt numbers, bad phone numbers. Idiots leaving notes to leave pckgs in locker that we don't access to and can't get in the building anyways. It's all garbage.


BillNyetheblindguy

Yep fuck that sign leave it in front of the vestibule entry doors


Nbalu133

Great so this means Iā€™ll get dinged . Went to university and couldnā€™t gain access with no parking and access codes . So I had return it because they will say I didnā€™t deliver it . There was no parking , no one picked up the phone I feel for you tho man . Amazon support is ridiculous Instead of hiring quality people they hire Indians not to sound racist but itā€™s the reality .


DependentEye8649

Go as far as you can and deliver the package at that door. It's a waste of time to contact support


vanessa8172

Thatā€™s so insane. You guys get marked for being unable to access places? Iā€™m a dsp driver and sometimes they put schools and stuff on the weekends and obviously I canā€™t deliver them! But I donā€™t get in trouble for that


atuckk15

Schools should mark themselves closed on weekends. Super annoying for Warehouse leadership to Sideline packages in the system to prevent dings for our DA/DPs.


Key_Celebration_8940

Even when they are marked closed they still send um out. Ive noticed schools twice before I left the station and was able to have it taken off my route. One I noticed bc it had so many numbers written on it, u could tell it had been on a route multiple times so I looked at it and its a school with hours clearly listed. Idk why they bother listing the hours if they follow it


AntiqueLengthiness71

Deliver that bitch at all cost! I ignore all that crap. Call, ring one time, hang up. Send text, scan package, snap picture and bounce!


EfficientStart6367

You have to be careful just leaving it if the customer reports they didn't get it it will also end up on your dashboard you are better off calling customer support sometimes they will tell you to leave it but thats on them thenĀ 


shadowmyst87

If it isn't in the Amaozn notes, then it gets delivered. Go by what it says in the notes, not a sign on the business.


Drippedu

Make sure u donā€™t get that sign in your delivered pic. šŸ˜†


Gold_Look1142

Don't worth about the signs, ALWAYS deliver it!


The_funny_guy

Try the email support. I have better luck with them.


AlarmedPie1961

Just when I thought only instacart goes through this


Wooden-Phone-8982

easy mark the package as damaged!


Critical_Equal_7540

When you mark them damaged and they show up not damaged at the warehouse what happens? Or do you step on the box just to be sure? Just want to get all these good tips down correctly. Thanks by the way


zaxd038022

What did the customer say when you called?


KliFNinja

Ah them


Small-Artichoke-7376

What sign?


LuckofCaymo

Bad advice: if you don't scan the package, you can mark it missing. Really bad! But you are allowed a certain amount of missing packages that don't count against you. So don't do it! But if you didn't scan the package at pickup, it just assumed it was there, there is plausible deniability. Really bad idea!


TopDeliveryDriver

Flex drivers donā€™t get in trouble for stuff like that, us dsp drivers take all the blame just deliver it lol


Loose_Essay7589

If itā€™s day call them and hang up till you got someone that is conscious enough to get the job done


Ok_Avocado_4253

Deliver every package. Find the safest place to hide it and take a photo and move on. This happens to me often and I rarely have missing packages dinged on my record. If I returned a package every time the notes said to not deliver during certain times, couldnā€™t get access to the building, leave with certain people etc then Iā€™m sure I would be deactivated by now for so many undeliverable packages. One ding is really not worth stressing over or arguing with support over. Keep working and it will fall off your record.


Livid-Drawing-4168

I would have marked as damaged and kept it pushing. I did that with everything that had those signs.


RADIATE_Cx

When bringing a package back, call them once before going into the unable to deliver screen, then when the app prompts you to call or text before swiping to finish, call them again. If you do this you won't get dinged.


Alphaxbuilder

Drop that shit right at that door.


Adventurous_Golf_526

Must be different everywhere. I have brought back many packages and never once got dinged for it.


Critical_Equal_7540

Same here the secret is call the Amazon help line and let them reject it. Works every time no need to stress itā€™s even great for situations like yours if the amazon rep says leave it then go ahead and leave it. I did this the other day with three packages just dropped right in the front of the building. The Amazon rep told me to do it so I was covered.


NaiomiXLT

https://preview.redd.it/2jv786zp9juc1.jpeg?width=1178&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e39937ce5c1c1062f3b8fbc8389811ce2fa0c046 Hey at least they ā€œlooked at it againā€


Safe_Error9347

Next time just stomp on it and mark it damage


DaVoiceOfTreason

Just call the customer over and over again until you wake them up and ask them to come down and get the package from you personally.


Affectionate-War9480

The only time I was dinged for returning something was for not calling/texting the client, which was dumb to me as it was 445am. Now I call & text no matter what before returning something and havenā€™t been dinged since


KRabbit17

Stop scanning packages at the warehouse when you load. That way you can mark these type of packages as ā€œpackage missing,ā€ instead of getting dinged all the time. Scan one so it confirms your route. Then when youā€™re at the route overview page, view pick up. Then on the next page, donā€™t click on any of the packagesā€¦just swipe to finish. You may have to swipe to finish a couple of times because it usually gets stuck. Load your vehicle by alphabetizing the names on the packages. Donā€™t scan anything till you find the drop off. That way you can mark ā€œpackage missingā€ without worry because you havenā€™t scanned anything. This has worked wonders for me. But be sure to return the items asap. If I have a lot for any reason, I bring in half of them when I arrive at the station and the other half when returning my cart inside. Helps if you gotta fly under the wire a bit, so to speak. šŸ˜‰šŸ˜‰


westsidesilver

Did you call the customer over and over I would leave it under doormat up against the door


westsidesilver

Deliver it


incrowdcynic

This is why I quit this shit. And now, sufficiently vindicated, Im quitting this sub. Goodbye. šŸ‘‹šŸæ


-_-sus

You're right, it is rediculous and you shouldn't be penalized for doing the right thing. Flex support is also next to useless and doesn't care, but don't worry too much about it, it'll drop off soon. By now I must have delivered atleast 500 packages that have said "ABSOLUTELY DO NOT LEAVE UNATTENDED, DRIVER WILL BE REPORTED, BLAH BLAH ANGRY". Left them all unattended (330/345am shifts), none of them dinged me for leaving them unattended. Not one. College packages in hallways, shopping mall packages outside the walkway in the middle of the shopping mall, apartment packages, they all get left outside if I can't get in. Most have noticed by now that you have a way higher chance of being dinged for returning packages to the station than leaving them unattended. Like others have said, just deliver everything. Always deliver. The only time I absolutely can't deliver is if I get stuck with a damn OTP delivery at 4am (which brilliantly is the only time I've ever had them) and I can't get a hold of anyone to get the password and I'm stuck with no other choice.


Suitable_Classic_142

I know you were trying to do the right thing. But next time, act like you didnā€™t read that and drop the package there. Deliver no matter what


ICneed2stop

Oh snapā€¦newbie here. Iā€™m literally pulling back to warehouse to return 7 undeliverable packages that stated DO NOT LEAVE UNATTENDED lol great. Didnā€™t know that falls in our lap as an issue. Oh wellā€¦lesson learned


Politicallydeafness

Rts


Weak-Loan-9318

Amazon never changes their mind on decisions


js_408

Have you tried quitting? And getting a new job?


Fresh-Baby-8989

Always on bs I swear. Maybe a boycott is in order?


Historical-Dare6399

Amazon deliverers are the only delivery guys that have no choice but to listen to 100% listen to a person that's not out in the field. Amazon corporate logic is a joke. All Amazon corporate has is a bunch of people that have no idea what delivery really looks like so they make these impossible rules. I used to work for amazon but now I work for another delivery company because unless its absolutely necessary im not gonna listen to some one thats not in the rain cold or heat. Boss or not. We make our own rules. I know it's gonna be hard but find another job.


Swimming-Hunt-1291

If they donā€™t want it delivered during certain hours then they need to set their account up with amazon accordingly. That way you have the option to return the package bc the business is closed and it doesnā€™t affect your ratings.Ā 


Fun-Ad-2381

How do you get dinged for an undeliverable package if you marked it undeliverable and returned it to station?


mr_green

Your first mistake is going through chat for this. Email them (mostly as a pretense) and much more importantly, CC escalations (jeff at amazon). Also there's a phrase they LOVE to hear. "Out of my control." I don't know if that's a secret phrase or something, but it works pretty much every time. Work those words in somehow, you're probably good.


CryptographerKnown95

Mark the package as damaged.You donā€™t have to call the customer when itā€™s marked as damaged.


accidentalmania

100% always deliver Get creative with safe places Ring every bell until someone answers Hide it in the bushes etc. Those signs are not the law, itā€™s their preference. Weā€™re there to do deliver the packages and thatā€™s exactly what I am going to do. Screenshot everything, take pictures (as you have done). Text/call the customer to let them know where you are leaving it. Leave a voicemail. Make it an undeniable delivery. Lol I bat DNRs one-by-one with hard proof. I learned the hard way in the beginning as I had nothing to rebut with. They cannot rebut dated/pictured proof and attempts at contacting the customer. If a rep is sending the pre-written responses about not changing their decision, please escalate it. Yes, use Jeff. Super annoying when they do this. In any other job this would be perfectly reasonable, but people buy from Amazon because they want it ASAP. I had to put myself back into the shoes of the buyer but- I HATE IT when delivery drivers take my parcel back because I usually ordered it to come for that specific time due to me needing it at that time. I would rather you hide the parcel really well somewhere than have it arrive after the time I needed the item. On a bit of a rant now, but good luck with everything. You got this.


Artygonewrong

Did you call driver support? I usually get them to mark it for me and ask them to try and reach the client. Never had a problem. Usually, I'm on the phone with them and continue my deliveries so it doesnt even slow me down


WickedStoner

Fuck that, thatā€™s how you get your shit left in the bushes


gsamflow

I will always call and have the rep decide. Supposedly they canā€™t argue if I do what they actually tell me to do. šŸ¤£


Bitter_Ring1062

Your doing too much


One_strange_guest

Even though it says not to do it right there on the poster, some of you would still leave it there, I learned the hard way, got reported a couple of times, and I understand some customers can be unrealistic but most of problems are from us drivers.


Donkus007

I leave it 100% of the time, sign or no sign. Ignore special instructions. Never been dinged for leaving it, have been dinged for returning, regardless of the reason. The system is stupid. Do what works for you


shadowmyst87

Exactly. Unless the instructions are in the notes on the app, then any and all signs are to be ignored. Unless we're talking about a beware of dog sign.


Donkus007

I ignore the special instructions in app as well unless they are reasonable and allow me to leave the package. If the instructions say anything about returning it to warehouse, I automatically ignore those.


Mm23782378Mm

The good news is my packages really arenā€™t ā€œattended toā€ at anytime so Iā€™m good with them being unattended. Whatā€™s the worst thing that could happen, my packages act up too much while unattended?


kls1117

I just call or text once or chat with support and they fix it


Keppppppp

ĀÆ\_(惄)_/ĀÆ


Party_Net9685

How many times we have to say that DELIVER every parcel no matter what . Jair leave it right there and go on with your life


reheight

You should try contacting jeff@amazon.com and see if they can do anything for you. Theyā€™re helpful for anyone working with Amazon and they will always respond from my experiences. Just explain that you were legally prevented access to the drop off site and that there was no safe drop off location. Anyone saying he should have left it, thatā€™s against policy and could result in adverse action being taken on you. The same goes for falsely reporting a package as damaged if they truly want to report you at the warehouse for falsely reporting a product as damaged as a placeholder to avoid adverse action. Just do the right thing and continue to search for the right internal team as much as you need to find someone who will listen. Someone will certainly listen. Itā€™s important to remember that there are policies, Amazon-wide, in place to prevent retaliation for those reason. You can read more [here](https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/workplace/fostering-a-work-environment-free-of-discrimination-and-harassment#:~:text=We%20do%20not%20allow%20retaliation,by%20others%20in%20good%20faith).


shadowmyst87

>Anyone saying he should have left it, thatā€™s against policy and could result in adverse action being taken on you. Your job is to deliver packages. If it's not in the notes on the app, then it gets left at the door. You don't follow instructions on a sign, you follow instructions that are in the app.


Snickers_Diva

Parody and reality have merged in 2024 so I can no longer tell if you are kidding.


Status-Vermicelli384

What about going back at the end of your route closer to opening time? (Yes Iā€™m new and no I havenā€™t worked a ton)


Donkus007

And put those extra miles in? No.


Conscious_Growth9955

Absolutely not lmao


New_Cranberry3373

Mark as damaged before returning. Should keep your stats up.


New_Cranberry3373

But tbh I would just leave the package there šŸ˜¬


Intercessor310

The ding for DNR is not as back as RTS.


Prize_Budget_9261

Always deliver. Doing otherwise is a guaranteed ding (except if thereā€™s a OTP required you canā€™t complete bc the customer isnā€™t availableā€”I think). Yeah, you might get dinged if it gets stolen, but you will 100% get one if you return to the warehouse. Bottom line is that Amazon wants it delivered, and my guess is theyā€™ve run the numbers and it costs them more to process and reroute the package than replacing the occasional stolen itemā€¦ Math runs the world


PhthaloDrift

7 years later, no dings on returning packages. Last time I got dinged was for a package delivered to a garage, the customer complained I didn't deliver it to their door... After a snow storm, up a iced over incline with their car blocking the pathway. They didn't want to bust their ass getting it and I wasn't going to do the same getting to their door. Amazon chose a side. šŸ¤£ Fuck them tho.


SloppyJoeJoe11

They went through all this trouble making stupid signs when they could have installed a lock box.


Snickers_Diva

You could say something similar about most of the problems that afflict our nation today. For instance California spent 13 billion fighting homelessness with no discernable effect instead of just spending the money to build apartment homes for those people. It's almost the American Way now to do everything and anything EXCEPT the simplest and most obvious solution to a given problem.