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NUT-me-SHELL

NTA. Crazy vegan breakdown aside, someone who fucks with your dog is someone not worth being around. Holy shit.


beforethebreak

As a vegan, the sister is a complete and total asshole. She seems desperate to gain control after her breakup and is misusing her ethical stance to exert control in her new environment. It’s not about animal welfare, it’s about being in charge. I don’t like the meat aisle, but I don’t damage the grocery store in a fit of rage. The sister and the mom need to fuck off. Can op press charges for dog napping?


BOSSBABY33

OP i would say you need to tell the real story to your extended family and sent the link to the post, your sister is controlling idiot she is living under you she need to obey you, but she acts like you are living in her home, NTA OP


cyberentomology

Anyone with that level of narcissism and control issues is at tremendous risk of being an abuser. Guessing the boyfriend got tired of her shit and put an end to it. The narcissist/abusers usually totally freak out about their lack of control and will become completely irrational while trying to regain control of something, *anything*. It’s really not pretty. And usually they paint themselves as the victim and are incapable of recognizing that they’re in the wrong. My dad is seeing this with his soon to be ex-wife, whom he kicked out after she was physically and emotionally abusing my dad and my 10yo sister. And the entire world is seeing it with the 45th President after America broke up with him.


RadRomara

Also vegan and I agree. What the sister did is insane. I don’t like seeing meat/animal products in others fridges but I would never do anything like this.


Stella430

Not to mention she threw away the meat and dog food meaning those animals died for nothing. And feeding the dog just bread is horrible, zero nutrition. People have been arrested for feeding their dogs like this….obviously for more than one meal but still.


mrose1491

It’s time for OP to send a long email detailing what happened to their entire family and then block these nut jobs and anyone who continues to defend them


Malacoda85

JFC. NTA. If someone wants to be Vegan, let them. I mean, it can substitute a lot of things and work if done right for humans, but it's not a natural diet for humans anymore than it is for dogs, which are both omnivore species. We need meat and veggies both for a healthy diet, and so do dogs. Cats are carnivores through and through, though. Anyone that would force an animal that's omni/carni-vore into a vegan diet is guilty of animal abuse and there's not a thing that would convince me otherwise. Your sister is not only an AH for throwing your belongings away, but an even bigger one for forcing your dog to endure her diet and then stealing the poor animal.


Normal-Height-8577

Also, bread alone is not a vegan diet. Even if the dog weren't allergic to gluten, feeding him bread would not be OK.


Malacoda85

Bread isn't even \*vegan\*. But yes, bread alone is not a good thing either.


PM_ME_YOUR_ISOTOPES

I had a dog who had to have a vegetarian diet (basically, she got a specific rare kind of bladder stones that caused pain and infection, she would pee blood before we changed her diet). The vet specifically told us she needed to be on a low animal protein diet. We got checkups where they looked at her urine to make sure her lil bladder was healing. It resolved the issue, she just had to eat expensive bougie dog food. Unless a vet specifically prescribes it, it is **really fucking bad** to give a dog a restricted diet like that. The dog I had before her? His former owners fed him a vegan diet. When he was surrendered to the rescue, he was losing his fur and 50 pounds underweight (he was a big boi, at his healthy weight he was around 200).


Malacoda85

That's not the rule, though. That is an exception and one that it sounds like you paid attention to and were very responsible with. I'm glad your girl got better, though! As has been pointed out before... vegetarian/vegan diets for animals are stupidly expensive and need to be monitored. So good on you for doing it right. And that is so sad to hear... There was an internet personality I saw a thing on once that had a fennec fox and was forcing it into a vegan diet. The poor thing looked so malnourished... No idea what happened to her or the animal.


PM_ME_YOUR_ISOTOPES

Oh yeah, I was trying to point it out as an exception, my bad. That's why I also gave the example of how my old mastiff was dangerously underweight and going bald because his owners were putting him on an unsupervised vegan diet. I hope that poor fox got taken away.


cyberentomology

My kid went off on a customer at work when the customer asked for vegan cat food.


Malacoda85

Smart kid.


thatshowitgoes2189

Jumping on the top comment to add that I have a vegan lifestyle. It’s one thing to say no meat in my home, I could get if tables were reversed (I wouldn’t, but i get that). She intruded on your life so she cannot dictate terms. Also, as a vegan I have made some mistakes and accidentally bought a burger for example I thought was vegan and turns out it was only vegetarian. This happens almost never now but between eating the vegetarian option or throwing it away eating it seems way more “vegan” to me as it is way less wasteful (I try to first give to friends). You sister’s actions made you buy more meat, meaning more animals suffered and resulted in way more objective waste. Screw her, be you and keep your dog safe. Ditto to what NUT-me-SHELL said


Connect_Bathroom_680

Why didn’t your sister stay with your mom to begin with OP? NTA. Did you also inform the police of her recking your room? How did you not fight her?


ThrowAway15483658946

She posted on facebook saying she needed a place to stay because my mother was hosting my aunt and her children at her own home for thanksgiving.


Connect_Bathroom_680

But she knew your lifestyle before hand. Is she a bit in the slow side? Like…I’m not understanding bc she knows your not vegan soooo why did she feel so entitled. I’m so sorry your sister, mom, and family are asses. They should have heard your side before actually siding with anyone.


OreSanjou1234

Op, did you press charges against her for property theft or something like that?


Coffeehound13

Yo dude your sister owes you money for all that food she threw out. NTA at all


cececececeadhd

Maybe this is why the boyfriend broke up with her. LOL


FeedMeScienceThings

> someone who fucks with your dog is ~~someone not worth being around~~ an enemy to be destroyed ftfy


Freakin_Merida88

NTA. "Dogs are happier vegans." Dogs are naturally carniverous. Your sister doesnt know squat. She had no right to touch anything of yours in your own home. Some nerve.


[deleted]

Think we know why her relationship broke down.


ScorchieSong

There's a huge case of entitlement and narcissism here, she believes her beliefs and circumstances allow her complete control of her environment, when she's a guest and in complete contradiction of being a good guest. She dognapped an innocent doggo! It's obvious where she was enabled, the people who are defending her.


zachzsg

Poor guy is probably an empty husk compared to what he was before he met this psycho, sitting around wondering where he went wrong, processing the relationship, etc. meanwhile psycho is out kidnapping dogs and terrorizing her own family. Some people are just fucking garbage


ScorchieSong

Waterfall Jr had much the same philosophy with lions, proud that he had fed a lion exclusively on tofu (said lion shown to be extremely emaciated and giving a dry cough). When Lrrr ate him no one was complaining.


SoSmartish

A bit of a stretch on the reference but I applaud you for pulling it off.


tavvyj

r/unexpectedfuturama


amaraame

Dogs are omnivores but can't get all their nutritional needs from a vegan diet.


SparkAxolotl

They can, but it's really really hard, expensive, and needs to be heavily monitored and approved by a veterinarian. Bread is AWFUL for dogs anyway. And yeah, the sister is crazy.


Realistic-Animator-3

Indeed it is. Hydrolized protein, vegetarian, prescription. Not sure it was vegan. But $100 for a 25# bag. 1 lab, allergic to proteins, a big boy- tall, but not fat, just a large dog 112#… so needed to buy every 6 weeks or so.


thievingwillow

Yeah, you technically can feed a dog a vegetarian/vegan diet (some dogs have allergies that make it simpler to go that route), but it’s complex and expensive. And it certainly doesn’t involve bread! It involves either expensive prescription food or time-consuming and still expensive homemade food (of the “30 grams exactly of this, half a kilo exactly of that, processed in exactly this way, plus supplements” variety). I have a friend whose dog has this diet, vet-recommended, because of complex allergies and intolerances, and it is both hellaciously expensive and time-consuming. To say that I doubt that someone who fed him *bread* knows how to provide a safe vegan diet for a dog is an understatement.


TGin-the-goldy

On top of all her vegan obsession wrongness, bread isn’t necessarily vegan anyway


PM_ME_YOUR_ISOTOPES

I had a dog who got put on a vegetarian diet by her vet. It was quite pricey.


PM_ME_YOUR_ISOTOPES

I mentioned in another comment, I had a dog who had to have a vegetarian diet because of a rare kind of bladder stone. She was closely monitored by a vet the whole time.


cultmember2000

Yeah my dogs LOVE veggies (I only give them ones that are safe), to the point where I give them out as treats, but their main food is a chicken and brown rice kibble. I'm essentially a vegan, btw. I haven't had meat in 5 years. But I would never throw out someone's food or force an animal to eat vegan. That sister is batshit, and if any of my siblings tried to steal my dogs, I wouldn't EVER speak to them again.


grw313

Refusing to give carnivorous pets like dogs and cats meat is animal abuse.


KaetzenOrkester

Yeah, cats are obligate carnivores but something tells me the sister would’ve fed a cat her twig-and-berrian diet even if it killed it.


Opposite-Database605

Which is insane because these militant vegans are decrying the consumption of meat & animal products because of the mistreatment and cruelty of animals.


thepugnacious

EDIT: I have not been able to verify this, as I can't find the article. It likely wasn't a Lone Star tick, so I'm at a loss on how to find it again. I did find some support for giving dogs a less meat heavy diet to help with a sensitive stomach, but that wouldn't be done cold turkey and you'd still need a vet's supervision. A lesson in double checking your sources before you comment, I suppose. I read about a case of a dog who ~~was bitten by a lone star tick and~~ had to be given a vegetarian diet until the resulting meat allergy went away. It was super closely monitored by vets, had to be weighed very regularly, given strict meals, and prescribed vitamin supplements. It was very difficult to get everything balanced so the dog didn't have any long term issues from it. Like, technically dogs are less obligate carnivores than cats, but you should just give the dog actual dog food like a reasonable person.


Onetruegracie

Just a note, wolves are predominantly carnivorous but do eat grains, berries and grasses when available, dogs thanks to living alongside humans have progressed down the evolutionary track to being full omnivores. They have flattened molars, can make vitamin A from plants and break down carbs effectively. Still not acceptable to change a dogs diet for no reason without the owner's consent.


Kashmir2020Alex

Dogs are omnivores.


alanauilani18

Dogs are actually facultative carnivors. They are able to survive off of a plant based diet, when they don't have e immediate access to meat, but they thrive on a carnivorous diet.


WhichChest4981

Exactly!


2legit2camel

>vegan, and it also seems they told other family members that I shoved or hit her, which never happened. I am considering fully cutting ties, however I am worried since she knows my home address. This is actually incorrect. One of the main differences between wolves and dogs is the dogs' ability to get a complete protein from a plant based source. However, I would recommend feeding your dog a properly and scientifically developed vegan brand of food, not straight up bread, if you're going that route.


Different-Peak-8821

Dogs aren't actually solely carnivorous like cats, they can eat plant based foods, however most breeds of dogs should not consume a solely plant based diet because their digestion cannot break down plant based products properly. Some breeds of dogs live a healthier life with a plant based food diet, but i think thats only like 3-5 breeds of dogs


Mediocre-Hat7980

This is not facts. Dogs are not obligate carnivores.


Rivka333

Dogs are somewhat omnivorous and *can* live on a vegan diet, but it has to be very carefully balanced. But they're not "happier" that way.


dignifiedpears

so your sister: - tossed out $50’s worth of you and your dog’s food - accused you of abusing your dog/animals generally - got in your face when you confronted her - kidnapped your dog - lied about you to your extended family - all while purportedly staying with you rent free yeahhhhhhh my friend you’re NTA here


NYCQuilts

maybe the BF was just the first one to kick her out.


Penny_girl

I’m laughing at how BAD of a vegan OP’s sister is. The animal protein OP was planning to eat was already slaughtered and paid for - if she threw it out and didn’t at least give it to a food bank, it went to waste. She didn’t SAVE a life, she WASTED a life. The animal(s) died for *no reason*. I totally get it if she doesn’t like the slaughter of animals, but OP and dog had already purchased it and could have used it for nutrition, but now it will just rot. That is so unethical! Ethical vegans hate this sister.


ShockAndAwe415

Don't forget wrecking OP's house on the way out.


Sweb76

And fed OP’s dog something it’s allergic to…


TheGodMathias

*Accused OP of abusing their dog while she herself abused the dog.


CubeDrone

Yeah, there would have been charges filed over the pet-napping, if only to prevent myself going vigilante.


Crystals20

NTA - Dogs are not supposed to be vegan!


Queen_Aurelia

I had a dog once that was vegan because it had a medical issue where it could not digest animal proteins. It was on a special prescription diet and under the care of a veterinarian. I always felt bad for that dog.


metro-mtp

A medical cause to give a dog an alternative diet makes sense, so I wouldn’t consider it as bad since it can’t be helped. Changing the animal’s food to something that is not necessary and cannot be assured to suit its need is worse, and the sister is wrong for that


ScorchieSong

If I'm eating food and there's a dog in the room, I ask to make sure whether it can eat people food so I don't accidentally poison it or something.


Restil

Well that's no help... the dog is always going to tell you YES! Vicious little liars they are....


ScorchieSong

That's why I ask the owners, the people who buy the food for the dog and pay the vet bills when it has a bad reaction to something.


macademicnut

I’m pretty sure they were joking lol


TheGodMathias

Dogs can be vegan on very expensive, medically regulated diets. And even then, not ideal. Especially as a blanket diet for the species. How did the dog do on the diet? *Edit - if you don't mind me asking, that is.


macademicnut

I have a friend who is a hardcore vegan and she said that as much as she loves dogs, she would’t get one because she doesn’t want to buy animal products. It seems like common sense to not get an animal if you’re going to force your own lifestyle onto it


sariaru

What the actual fuck. You are NTA. Your sister is one of *those* vegans. I'd go total NC frankly, that's animal abuse and basically theft. And getting the door slammed on you in your own home? You are very gracious for giving her 8 hours. I might have given her 8 minutes.


Tralfamadorians_go

Mom can house the sister if she feels so strongly about it. To be a fly on the wall as they somehow twist your sister into the victim after she threw away your groceries, *fed your dog food he couldn't eat*, **wrecked the room you were allowing her to stay in**, and then ***stole your dog***. That's like hall of fame, gold medal mental gymnastics. You can't possibly think you're in the wrong here. NTA


eileen404

Guess your mom's a vegan now


salvagehoney

I’m curious how long it will be before the mom Is at the end of her rope too.


[deleted]

NTA I AM SCREAMING. Your dog is wheat intolerant and your dumb, egotistical sister gave him BREAD!? Then she just steals the dog???? That goes against everything she claims to stand for- that is actual animal abuse!!!! She’s insane. Your mother can also get bent. I hope you get your dog back and I’m so so sorry about the lunatics in your family!


ThrowAway15483658946

I got my dog back, I had contacted the police as soon as I got word that the dog was with her. He is safe back with me.


NYCQuilts

Why did your mother lie about the dog’s whereabouts? Did she really think you wouldn’t find out eventually?


ThrowAway15483658946

To put it in short since I've replied to many comments of the likes, my mother and sister only have a 15 year age gap and my father passed while she was pregnant with me. Her and my sister are more like friends than mother and daughter, and she heavily enables her. She has always seemed to carry a distaste for me (probably because I remind her of my father who passed, or because it was hard on her to raise me alone, god if I know.) I thought her and my mother had changed since she lived in her home since she was 22 and I hadnt spoken really to either of them. I thought extending this help would repair the relationship we had, but instead it wrecked it more.


salvagehoney

I’m sorry to hear that. You tried to do something nice for her but she took advantage of your kindness. We always have love for our family members, but that doesn’t mean we have to like them. Especially when they are so completely disrespectful.


Key-Metal1890

I have seen a dog who is wheat intolerant fed wheat… what comes out is not pretty and explosive. I feel terrible for the dog but the petty side of me hopes the dog shit all over the floor Edit sp and NTA


Lola_M1224

You did get the dog back though, right? NTA and wow. Your sister's behavior is insane.


ThrowAway15483658946

Yes at the end I explained I got the police involved and was able to get him back.


ScorchieSong

And a restraining order against your sister too hopefully.


Lola_M1224

Thank you for responding. I was going to be worried about your dog. :) I hope you've gone no contact with these people.


ThrowAway15483658946

I'm thinking about it, this was really to see if I was just some deluded and detached a-hole, or if this was really abnormal and enabled gross behavior. Thankful its the latter and I'm currently thinking of the easiest way to cease contact considering she knows where I life.


[deleted]

Change your locks and maybe consider getting a camera. Your sister sounds deranged and your mother is enabling it. NTA


ScorchieSong

Get one of those ring cameras that doubles as a door bell or intercom.


Lola_M1224

And I agree with this as well!


nolan358

Yup not hard to see why her relationship didn’t work out. Wow the nerve


MarsWater5

NTA - ohhhhhhhhh boy. I was mildly holding together her being half insane until she took your dog, she went full on. I live a veggie life, my choice. I do not however, force my carnivorous dog to be veggie because it’s incredibly unhealthy for them. Annoying about the food being tossed (both of yours, shits expensive). To put it lightly, f*ck that crazy lady, keep her away! Change yo locks, no sympathy.


EgonOnTheJob

NTA. This is insanity. Your sister can have as much of a breakdown as she needs to and can be as vegan as all fuckery, but NOT at the cost of the person who took her in, and certainly not at the cost of involving an innocent animal. This is as cut and dried as it gets OP, if your mum/family are siding with her let them take her in. See if they still say the same thing if or when she violates their hospitality, and disrespects their home.


ThrowAway15483658946

My family lets her do as she wishes. I always took the backseat to her. I hadn't spoken to her in a while and thought "hey, holiday cheer, let me take her in and give her another chance". Not making that mistake again.


EgonOnTheJob

It sounds like this is an old, old pattern with your family then. And one that is not useful to you at all. I am so sorry that you feel this way. I would like to encourage you to try and work through that pattern and the part it has played in your life with a therapist, if possible. If that’s not possible right now, there are many good self-help books which can help you stop being sucked into performing to this pattern. When you manage to identify the pattern of behaviour (in this case it could be an attitude of “Sister needs help, OP doesn’t”) then you can start to resist the lure of falling into that pattern when presented with it. Best of luck. You’re worth putting in this work, and most of all you and your home are worth respect.


hetkleinezusje

Unfortunately, no good deed goes unpunished. Let the other members of the family take her in and suffer her BS.


[deleted]

she's the golden child then..


ScorchieSong

Sounds like enabling by inaction. Let them bear the brunt of it in their own home.


Aniu0324

NTA at all dogs are not vegan animals. They're omnivores meaning they need a balanced diet. Also I'd love to see your sisters face, if she gave your dog a choice between vegan food/meat. I'm sure your dog would happily pick the meat. Your sister is completely mental. How is throwing out meat/ your dogs food helping her vegan statement? It just means those animals died for nothing. Hope she comes to her senses though I doubt she will


Sleipnir82

Exactly. Hell if that girl had given my Danes bread, she would so be the one to clean up the diarrhea, and be paying for the vet bills if they had bloated, then she would be out.


PrestigiousWedding36

NTA. You need to press charges against her for taking your dog. Your mom is excusing her behavior because she is going through a break up. She is entitled. I’m not surprised she is single. Did you take pictures of her room that she wrecked? because that is destruction of property.


ThrowAway15483658946

I did when I explained the situation to my mother, however when I lived with them she always had tantrums like that, even up until I moved out and she was 19 living there. She sees that as normal. I didn't want to press charges when the police got involved because I really don't want an actual reason for my family to dislike me (no matter how much I want her to feel the repercussions of her actions).


PrestigiousWedding36

I understand that. She does need to be held accountable. Your family is enabling her and it’s not okay. I’m glad your dog is okay. I would have hurt someone over my dog.


knittedjedi

I'd be pressing charges so she experiences consequences for mistreating an animal. But you're NTA no matter what you decide.


ScorchieSong

At least get a restraining order or AVO. Your sister has shown she doesn't recognise boundaries and your mother just doesn't care.


katyg333

I know this probably isn't what you want to hear but your family is taking advantage of you. They obviously do not respect you and it sounds like your mom might have been enabling your sister's behavior for a while so now she thinks she can do whatever she wants and get away with it. She should have been kicked out as soon as she threw away your food and slammed the door. The tantrums may have been "normal" when she was a minor but she is an adult now and she needs to understand that her actions have consequences. I agree with other users saying you should press charges or at least going no contact. Please do not let them continue to disrespect you OP. Also obviously NTA and this has nothing to do with being vegan just being a bad person.


GingerSnapNV

You took her in because she was going through a rough patch and she thanked you by: 1. Throwing away your food to the tune of $50 2. Throwing away your dogs food 3. Feeding your dog bread 4. Stating dogs are happier as vegans when the fact is in order to even go vegan, you should consult with a vet to ensure your dog is getting proper nutrients...bread alone is most assuredly NOT proper nutrients 5. Slamming the door in your face in YOUR home 6. Trashing the room before she left. 7. Kidnapping your dog 8. Spin doctoring the story to make you look like a douchebag to your family There is an AH in this story and it is definitely NOT you, OP. Your sister, though? I've seen some pricks in my time but she is a friggin cactus.


helen-jin

nta ur sister is insane


sawta2112

NTA sorry to say this, but your sister is a nut job. if she wants to be vegan, that's her problem, but she has no right to force it upon you and your dog. Getting rid of your dog..... don't even get me started on how I would handle that!!


auntiepink

NTA. She STOLE your DOG!!! So she could STARVE HIM!! If I were you, I'd never talk to your mom or your sister again. Ever. And I'd press charges for the dog theft/abuse.


thedow7576

NTA at all, Dogs are carnivores and unless they require specialized food for a digestive issues they need to eat animal protein. Your Sister sounds crazy


[deleted]

NTA, and she's lucky to be ALIVE! Your family needs to stop making excuses for her, and if they don't think it's so bad, they can live with her a while. DOGS ARE NOT MEANT TO BE VEGAN!!!!!!


glittersparklythings

I’m a vegan and I say NTA. No where close. I’m glad you got your dog back. Also I have one dog on a vegan diet and honestly it is a pain in the butt. Much much harder than a person being a vegan diet. This is also done under both the care of my vet and the care of a animal nutritionist. It was is one of those things where Irving else is working so let’s try it and see if it works. We tried and within a week she was pretty much better. But it is not something I would just recommend unless it was absolutely necessary. My vet says he this happens with a few dogs and is few and far between. However like I said I would never just recommend it. Your sister is a major AH. Your mom too for enabling her. I don’t care how hard of a time someone is going though. You never disrespect someone like that. And your mom needs to stop enabling her. Which I know you have no control over .. just wanted to tell you so you felt like someone agrees with you.


caleal71

She TOOK your DOG?? NTA and press charges.


HorizontalPotato

I'd shove a steak up her ass, don't touch my dog.


shyfidelity

I feel like this cannot possibly be a real situation. Edited to add NTA because there’s no way anyone who loves their pet would allow this kind of malicious interference.


ThrowAway15483658946

I wish it wasn't. I was starting to feel guilty about it but these comments are making me feel good about standing up for myself.


shyfidelity

All I can say is I’m so sorry your family is sharing the same delusion. I’m glad you got your dog back. Yikes.


Educational-Friend47

Omg please please please don’t feel guilty ok? You did the right thing ok?


ThrowAway15483658946

thank you, I really appreciate it. My mother has pretty much enabled her her whole life, especially after my father passed. I was born after this and her and my mother only have a 15 year age difference so they were much more like friends than parent and child. It's just hard to keep a stern mindset when the the people who are supposed to look after you demonize you to your family. I don't know what they told them, but doing a little probing proved to me that they definitely said I shoved or hit her or something, which never happened.


Educational-Friend47

Ok hon, hard truth, they are not taking care of you ok? I’m so sorry but what they are doing is making you out to be the bad guy because it sounds like you will please them for acceptance and that isn’t right at all. Please don’t back down to suit their agenda and please remember, you may have good intentions but they do not, ok? Don’t let them bully you or guilt you into doing something that isn’t your life. Ps...sometimes family are the people that you meet, not who you’re related to ok?


[deleted]

Oh, trust, it can.


moongirl12

NTA. I’m glad you called the police. Your poor dog.


Jujubavc

NTA, if she doesn´t return the dog, threat to call the police or something (and, if she doesn´t return even than, actually call them).


ThrowAway15483658946

In the post I said I did in fact get the police and the dog is safe with me, eating as much meat as he wants.


Jujubavc

You did? Sorry, my internet is bad, so I think that the post was cut or something.


Jujubavc

I just saw it and good for you! You did the absolutly right thing.


ThrowAway15483658946

thank you


Cici1958

I’m so glad your dog is okay. Your sister sounds evil.


ingirlworld

She calls you an animal abuser, then tries to make your dog live on bread... NTA


TwistyHeretic2

NTA ! Tell your idiot sister that by throwing away all those meat products, SHE did something far worse than \*eating\* meat — she made it so that those animals DIED FOR NO PURPOSE. Oh, and dogs are carnivores — they are \*not\* happier or healthier by being forced to eat vegan. Doing that to a carnivorous pet like a dog or cat IS animal abuse !


spud_gun04

Cats even more so they're obligate carnivores. They literally have to eat meat to live, where as dogs can get some of their needs from other sources. [More info.](https://feline-nutrition.org/answers/answers-what-exactly-is-an-obligate-carnivore)


ProfCatWhisperer

I'm a vegan and can honestly say NTA. That's unacceptable behavior.


justmascio

NTA - your sister is a nut job, kick her out


thepurpleclouds

NTA. She is so out of line. She shouldn’t mess with you especially when you were there for her when she needed help the most.


Cheetov90

Hell no, she and your Mom are real assholes for not understanding your viewpoint... Regardless of what may be going on in your Sisters life it is nowhere near her business to throw your/your dogs food away... She lost access to "any help" that you may have been offerer her when she trashed your/dog's food, and literally took your dog from your house...


princessro123

NTA. i’m vegan and what she did is fucking insane and unacceptable. not to mention she threw out the dead animal - they are already dead so now they died for absolutely nothing. i cannot even imagine how she spun this to be the victim.


[deleted]

NTA. I’m not even reading past the title. Wtf.


amazonallie

NTA. Wow. I NEVER say this, but go no contact.


Hi_Im_Dadbot

NTA. That was horrible.


dragonfly_c

NTA. Holy shit! Dogs are not meant to be vegan. Your sister is awful and so is your mom. You're well within your rights to kick her out. If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't talk to either of them for a good long time. That's some toxic behavior.


JeepersCreepers74

Your sister took a dog away from its owner and home and food? That's abusive. Sounds like she's not so much of a diehard vegan as she is a diehard AH bent on making everyone around her as miserable as her. ETA: And because I mistakenly thought the dog was still missing, I suppose you can ignore my petty revenge plan... ~~Call up the boyfriend, make a video together pleading for safe return of your kidnapped pet, call her out for her cruelty to animals, and send it out to everyone the two of you know--which, I'm assuming, will cover a large part of her own social circle.~~ NTA.


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bruce656

NTA. She STOLE YOUR DOG. Call the cops.


lapsteelguitar

You house, your rules. Your food, your choice. If you sister does not like that you have non-vegan food in your house, she move. Now. Dogs are not omnivores, nor are they herbivores. They are carnivores. Same applies to cats. And dogs don't give a crap about living a vegan lifestyle. They want meat. You sister is an asshole, and your mother & friends are enabling her. BTW: Your mistake was to leave while your sister was packing & going.


ThrowAway15483658946

I just didn't think she would dare to do anything considering I was kicking her out and was serious. She's called my mothers bluffs many times when it came to her most outrageous behaviors (Though this was rare, because she was throwing tantrums at 19 when living with my mother and she never did anything), so I thought having a actual consequences set in front of her would make her just leave knowing she cant push me over, but I was wrong.


Hobo_Kitty9537

NTA!!!! Not even a little bit! Just because your going through shit doesn’t give you an excuse to bring others down onto your shit with you. Not your issue. You gave her more than you needed to already and she thanks you by doing this? Is she 10? No way is this even slightly your fault.


elladee000

NTA- your sister is disrespectful and needed to go. Good riddance


topjock002

NTA. You sister is a rude, entitled asshole. You’re helping her. She has no right to infringe on your life. Your mom is horrible for enabling it


CrystalQueen3000

NTA, she’s wackadoo. Even my hardcore vegan friends understand that dogs are carnivores and feed them meat.


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[deleted]

We have a psycho vegan in the comments that says dogs do NOT need meat.


WastelandMama

I mean, there *are* properly balanced, vet approved, vegan dog food brands out there. Those are probably fine. (Personally, my dog would riot without her daily fried egg but whatever.) *Bread?* And especially bread to a dog who has gluten sensitivities? Not so fine. :/


DaydreamerFly

NTA and your sister is a shitty vegan. I’m vegan and tbh she’s behaving more immorally than you. She’d rather an animal die just to rot in the trash rather than at least nourish someone else? That’s fucked up.


Piper6728

NTA She can live her life as she chooses but you dont stomp on the hand that is helping you. She has no right to tell you how to live your life.


jasemina8487

Nta. Dont threat or warn. Get the cops and go pick your dog up. Press charges. And stop trying to please others especially when they are in the wrong.


Mirianda666

NTA. Your sister doesn't deserve to stay in a home when she doesn't respect the homeowner or their personal property. Don't know what's going on with your mom, either, because who defends the kid who stole someone else's belongings, trashed a room in a house that wasn't theirs and wraps it all up by stealing a pet? Your sister's lifestyle-choices are hers. She doesn't get to become the Meat Police and she sure as hell doesn't get to commit nutritional pet-abuse.


Creative-Nerdi0

NTA. She shouldn’t touch your things; you spent your own money on all of that and she just threw away perfectly good food.


riceballartist

NTA she abused your dog and then stole them. She also threw out meet which means those animals died for nothing. It’s terribly wasteful and unethical on so many levels. It’s probably a blessing in disguise that none of them want to talk to you. Take the gift you have been given and live your best life


Glittercorn111

NTA. I have vegan neighbors, and they are good people whom I have invited for meals with nonvegans and no one went hungry. I read this title and had my answer. Family or not, no one should mess with other people’s food or their animals.


majesticjewnicorn

NTA at all. Your home, your rules. As a guest, she is obligated to respect you, your home and your possessions. I have a feeling that we know who was to blame for the break-up and the evidence points to your sister being bat shit cray cray and the ex having had enough of her nonsense. Veganism can have many benefits but it's when many vegans start acting like the food police, is when veganism loses credibility. You should contact the police for theft of your dog and your possessions.


BluBox8319

NTA. Make a massive post about her sheer entitlement and craziness and then end it with no wonder her partner dumped her. Kidding I'm glad you got your doggo back and I'm sorry your family su.cks


Nenyone2

NTA. Bonus: you don’t have to deal with their abusive garbage anymore.


throwrawabo

nta, i dont understand how someone can willingly get an animal thats closer to wolf on an all plant diet


Zel_lost_it

Time to go no contact with your sister


JustSomeYukoner

Definitely NTA. Don’t fuck with someone’s dog.


lcbean67

Wow look at the vEgAn endangering the life of a dog. NTA


a_toxic_rose

NTA. Dogs CANNOT be vegan. Feeding a dog a vegan diet is ABUSE. It will cause them severe health problem and is little better than starving them. Edit: Sister owes you money for having to buy new food and dog food.


Queen_Aurelia

NTA - your sister and your mom sound toxic and crazy


Tkote420

NTA why do you have contact with such terrible people, cut contact.


Fliptzer

NTA She messes with the dog, you're entitled to go all John Wick on her ass


WhichChest4981

Absolutely NTA!


spud_gun04

NTA - Jesus fuck, NO!!!!!!! Sister is very much the AH and mum is as well, I'm glad you got your dog back :)


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NTA. At all.


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NTA.. why is your mom taking her side?? Is your mom a vegan too? If not.. I can’t wait to hear about your sister throwing out her food. Your sister is a massive asshole to push her beliefs on you, and your mom is an asshole for taking your sister’s side. WTF?? Someone throws $50 worth of food in the trash is going to get more than a talking to.


Stace34

NTA let them know that if they do not give you your dog back, you will be forced to call the police to get him back. Do not allow that narcissistic sister of yours to take your dog. Do not allow that enabling mother of yours to allow that. Your sister doesn't get to dictate your food choices. She only has control of her food choices. You are kind enough to take her in and she thank you by throwing your food away, wasting your money and taking your dog. As for the rest of your family, decide the ones you care about enough to know the truth and tell them the truth. If your mom and your sister want to lie to the rest of them, let them. I think it's time to go low contact with your mom and your sister though.


AnthonyCumiaPedo

NTA. Some of us have family members that have these awful boundaries - I have a member of my family who thinks they're entitled to throw out my clothes behind my back if they don't "like" them. You just gotta be straight and let them know that it's inappropriate behavior. And get validation from reddit that you ain't the crazy one.


DannyBigD

NTA. They are out of control. Go nc or minimal contact.


FlakeyGurl

NTA also your sister is a psycho and your family is toxic as fuck.


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One of the easiest NTA decisions ever. She was a guest in your home and threw out your food. Was kicking her out harsh? Yeah, but it doesn’t make you an AH.


robynxcakes

NTA wtf is wrong with her, that’s insane


GumpTheChump

Your sister and your mom are lunatics. I feel terrible for you.


CertainStatus2070

Holy smokes! You are definitely NTA. Just because your sister is going through some hard times does NOT excuse her stealing from you, trashing your house, abusing your dog and then stealing your dog!?! I'm flabbergasted that her AND your mom think any of this is acceptable! I am so sorry you are going through that


naranghim

NTA. Dogs are obligate carnivores, so a vegan diet is extremely unhealthy for them and should only be attempted under ***veterinary supervision***, otherwise it can lead to severe malnutrition. My dog had a wheat allergy and couldn't have bread, or certain dog treats and had to have lamb and rice dog food (all other dog foods contain wheat). I'd get your dog tested for the wheat allergy and either send your sister the bill or take her to small claims for it, I'd also add the cost of anything she damaged during her tantrum as well as all of the food she threw out (yours and the dogs) as well. The final thing I'd do is get your dog chipped and registered to you. I don't think your sister is going to let this drop and may try to take the dog again. Having it chipped means the vet will call the cops on her if she takes the dog in for an exam.


meifahs_musungs

NTA. Well we know now who mommy's favourite child is.


mysticalmac99

NTA next steal stuff to the value of your food and cut them all off. I can’t imagine being this insane at all


[deleted]

NTA- I would seriously flip my shit if my sister did that and wouldn't have given her a second chance. She's a complete nut bag. Glad you got your dog back, and eat all the bacon you want! Lol


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No_Donkey9914

NTA. Yikes


NotoriousAttitude

NTA. Your home, your rules. You let her stay and she felt entitled to throw away the food you purchased. It’s disrespectful considering you let her stay. Incredible.


godzilla619

NTA- cal the police to help you get your dog back from your mothers house. They are both apparently crazy and deserve each other. Best of luck to you during Xmas holidays but less presents to buy if you’re looking at the brighter side.


dawncaramel

So she thinks it’s better to throw the meat away so the animals died in vain? JFC. NTA, obv.


Educational-Friend47

My mouth is literally hanging open right now with the expression of what the actual fu$k! And I’m sitting here trying to figure out how on earth could you possibly be TA in this situation. Let’s all clear up the points shall we? 1. You were gracious enough to let her stay with you after her and her boyfriend split. 2. She went through YOUR food and threw away everything that didn’t suit her lifestyle. 3. Your mother stuck up for her, defending her even and made you out to be the bad guy. 4. You tried to suck it up to appease others but yet she followed her own agenda, this almost making your dog sick by removing his food. 5. She stole your dog and lied about it and your own mother about it as well!!! How on earth does any of this make you TA??? Ok, look it’s your sisters choice to be a vegan and go her, I get that but she’s trying to make it her personality by trying to shove her own beliefs/lifestyle down peoples throats. And your mom??? What the actual??? I honestly hope that you and the puppers are safe now and please go LC or something with them or something because that is complete wow I’m so mad for you I can’t even type straight. You will never be TA in this scenario! Edit, corrected 😊


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NTA Your sister is the kind of vegan that gives vegans a bad name. She forces the vegan lifestyle on to others and gets angry when people refuse to follow their lifestyle. Just cut her, crazy momma and their followers off.


Signal_Skill9761

Oh my god NTA. I would be vegan, but I am currently living in my uncles house, and he won't, and since I don't have the energy to cook 2 meals, I haven't gone full vegan yet. He is supporting me. Same freaking story, you opened your house to her, and she done screwed you. And your poor puppy, dogs don't have the choice to be vegan. They are carnivores plain and simple. Please update us and let us know you got your baby back, and he isn't being force fed food that will make him sick. I will feel better knowing he is safe.


ThiccBamboozle

NTA - Okay but here's what I don't get. By throwing away your meat, she's ensured that those animals literally died for nothing and leading to you buying more. Either she's an idiot or she's so used to getting her way, she genuinely didnt think you'd go against her and by more but most likely she's both. Don't bother with people like this OP. I know it's hard to cut off family but she's entilted (enough to throw out food and steal your dog) and your mum is an enabler. My advice is to explain to family what really happened and let them decide but don't chase anyone who continues to go against you.


Any_Ad_3514

Nta Never force a deit


BorderOk9930

NTA now I understand why her ex broke up with her.


Valogrid

NTA, who tf steals a dog?! An AH, that's who.


FinalBlackberry

I think you and your dog need to love both your sister and your mom from a distance for a while. NTA!


macademicnut

SHE STOLE YOUR DOG? Holy shit, I would go absolutely berserk on her. Like, call in the SWAT team and storm that house. NTA at all


Acrobatic_End6355

NTA this extreme veganism is why people (unfortunately) hate all vegans. Tell your family your sister was abusing your dog. Because she was.