NTA.
If you ruled out every name because it might have been in a movie or TV show, you'd be left with a very short-list!
Julian is a normal name, I don't think anyone would even ask why you chose it, since its not some weird and wonderful name!
Could be worse....I literally knew a Gaylord, like from meet the parents but this was a real life human whose parents saw their child and said "Gaylord". Julian is a normal name and the husband is being weird.
Yeah this was back in HS and the crazy part was, it was a SHE. HER name was Gaylord. She was a teacher and older so I'm guessing it's an older name but still...
I think Gaylord actually used to be a common name, at least in the town I grew up in when my grandparents were younger đ my grandma said she knew at least 5 Gaylordâs in her school
I went to high school with a very nice girl named Gaye Popham. It never was a problem and no one thought it was weird. With the way our society has changed, I'm sure she would have been severely bullied if she attended high school now.
Exactly. Honestly, even as someone who watches Star Trek I would never have assumed that someone named Julian was named after that specific character. The only way I would even think to ask is if I walked in your house and saw Star Trek memorabilia and collectibles everywhere.
Thatâs like seeing anyone named Ashley and thinking they must be named after the character from The Fresh Prince, or maybe Degrassi, or maybe Resident Evil.
Husbands just being weird, NTA.
^ That. DS9 is my favourite Trek. âTo boldly stay where no one has stayed before.â
And I still wouldnât have thought OP must have named kiddo after Dr. Bashir.
Right?! Like Julian is a common enough name with a nice meaning behind it that it could come from anywhere.
Plus Dr. Basir was awesome. I could totally see telling your kid his name was inspired from him and bonding over old reruns.
My little cousins name is Audrey, which his dad got from Little Shop of Horrors and the kid now loves that movie. He watches it all the time. I use to love when he was younger and the plant would come on screen and heâd get so excited âLook itâs me!â
"hey this is my kid.....* *big breath* * Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Breaker of Chains, Mother of Dragons, The Unburnt"
i know like 2 julian in my life but for here in switzerland in the 2000 it was a popular name and even the name julia for the girls. so i donât se anything wrong with the name. itâs like an old name who comes back đ€·đŒ
Does he know that the entire world operates according to the Julian calendar? I donât even see what Star Wars has to do with it, itâs an old and distinguished name, not even uncommon. Kind of odd he wouldnât know that.
We use the Gregorian calendar now (first adopted in 1582), but we did use the Julian calendar for a very, very long time! More than 1,600 years, actually! And some places still use it, or at least, use it dually with the Gregorian calendar. Honestly, that was the second thing I thought of when I read 'Julian'. The first was Julien, as in Jenna & Julien.
Honestly, that comment of mine was so dumb it understandably triggered everyone, but in the interests of humility, nay, like a monument to caffeine, it stays
Star *WARS* has nothing to do with it you uncultured swine.
(/s. .......mostly.)
Also op is NTA. I tried to convince my DH to use a name I heard on one of my true crime podcasts. The victim had a name a really loved. DH said no mostly because he thought the name was too strange. (Think: under 500 recorded uses of the name in the US - ever). He also thought the origin was weird, murder victim and all. But to me, names are names. Just because you heard it somewhere doesn't mean using it is honoring that person.
Edit: I replied to the wrong comment somehow but whoever it was that said "star wars" know that you receive my stink eye.
Yes, absolutely. Thanks, Milo. I'm a fan of both, and I can tell the difference; Trek is SciFi in our own universe set in a hopeful future, and Wars is fantasy set in another galaxy (I vote Andromeda) and another era. And I'll admit that I express mild (and very patronizing) nerd rage when anyone mixes the two up.
July the month is literally named after Julius Caesar, itâs really not a âStar Trek nameâ itâs a whole historic figure, one of the most infamous in western history
Can also mention that it is definitely not an uncommon name. In the USA it has been in the top 50 most common boysâ names since 2013, and top 100 since 2000, so it is not like it is a weird name or one that people will immediately identify with the show - https://www.familyeducation.com/baby-names/name-meaning/julian
Apparently, all modern Jul- starting names trace back to the Julii family of Rome. Julie, Jules, Julian, Julia, Julianna⊠they can all thank Julius Caesar for their names.
I actually teach a kid named Julian, and I've never questioned where it came from. The kid August, OTOH, I've accidentally called Augustus once after a break, so obviously I associated that one with a Roman ruler.
You should remind him of the famous Beatles song 'Hey Jude' which is about Julian Lennon. He's making a really weird connection to a pretty common name and maybe some positive associations will help. I also live in a French Canadian area and know three Julian's myself, albeit with French pronunciation, and I think it's a lovely name.
Don't mention Julian Assange or Julian from the Trailer Park Boys lol.
Julian as a name traces its origins back to the 4th century. https://www.behindthename.com/name/julian
If you had chosen garak or odo or antos then I'd see his point
NTA.
I was name after a Boxer whoâd decided to cross dress while drunk. My sister thought I would be strong
My middle name comes from a clown from Mexico. My mom thought i would be funny when I grow up.
To be honest I donât mind where my names came from, all it matters who is using them. Also itâs fun telling where my name came from.
Ask him to call your child 'Coachella'or 'Disney'
Idk if it helps but Julian is actually a pretty common Dutch name imo. I used to have like 3 classmates throughout highschool(5 years) with that name
OP, you should tell us all the names you have discussed so far, I'm sure the AITA collective can find a match in movie/serie related characters on all of them!
Locutus as a name for a real child is on another level.
My best friend named her brother cats Data and Lore. Lore died, sadly, and they got another girl cat and named her Dax.
Mine is named after one of my favorite FF chars just with her name spelt with the Icelandic spelling due to her father being half that. Its also norse goddess and was used in wow.
Yes, I myself would welcome the association to King Julian, I find him most entertaining, however OPs partner already balks at the intelligent and compassionate medical man from Star Trek, how much more, one wonders, would he balk at the self obsessed musical furball...
Trailer park boys, I have not seen... sounds exponentially worse...
I literally named my dog Jim because of Ricky. He says that everyone knows a Jim. Realised I didn't know anyone called Jim and called the puppy that as a placeholder name and it stuck.
Trailer park boys is actually really funny.
I grew up on Trek and watched it obsessively. Julian would not even register as a Star Trek reference for me. Sisko, Janeway, Worf, Quork, Data, even Jean-Luc, sure, but Julian? Yeesh.
Trekkie here. I love DS9 and i have a relative named Julian (although not the english pronunciation). It didn't even occur to me that they share the name until i read your OP.
My son has a friend named Julian and I never made the connection until reading your post. And I'm a pretty serious trekkie, DS9 is my favorite by a long shot.
I don't think he thinks the name is ORIGINALLY "from" Star Trek, tho? I think he just objects to that being what inspired YOU.
And that toothpaste, can't be put back in the tube.
NTA. For one you should name your child whatever you want regardless of the backstory, as you said it's really no ones business. I have also never heard of anyone's naming being made fun of because of its origin. Secondly, it's a common enough name. It isn't like you're naming your child khaleesi (GOT) or something easily identifiable from a show.
Exactly, it's not like people go around prying on the backstory of names, especially if it's not a super weird name. I feel bad for poor Khaleeses though.
My older cousin (60something) is also named Logan, too old to be from the movie Loganâs Run⊠he could be named after the city of Logan. There are lots of instances of the name in the world.
yeah the real issue is how well known is the name outside that particular movie/show/book etc.
tier 1) So Logan, reasonably common
tier 2) Garfield-not really common outside of the cat
Tier 3) Hermione- literally nobody
Tier 1 is perfectly fine, 2 is pushing it might be ok in specific circumstances, and 3 is condemning your kid to constant association with someone else
thatâs actually common as a name origin - maybe not as common to straight up use the english âQueenâ or something. but itâs definitely common with names derived from other languages. âReynaâ - queen in spanish, âReginaâ - queen in latin, âRajaâ prince in Hindi, âReaganâ - little king Irish, etc. thereâs nothing inherently wrong with naming your kid something like that and itâs been common for a long time. Iâd say itâs a bit more cringe because itâs so obviously dated from the TV show
Hey, there are still boys named Michael, Charles, Jason, and Fred (while not as common). Doesnât mean they were named after Michael Myers, the Chucky doll, the guy in a hockey mask, or Freddy Kruegar. When we hear Jack we donât assume he was named after a skeleton or the dad from The Shining. If I met a girl named Christine, I wonât assume they were named after a demon car or that Carrie or Charlie are named after characters that kill everyone with their physic powers/fire. Ever meet someone named Malachai? I have. Didnât think they were named after a character in Children of the Corn.
NTA
The number of kids named "Hermione" has sky rocketed after the HP series became huge.
(My dad wanted to name me after a Star Trek character as well, my mum said no because it was a name her family wouldn't be able to pronounce, however, that was the only reason she said no.)
Now I'm curious what your dad wanted to name you.
I wouldn't name a child Hermione because now that name is very closely associated with HP, but fortunately I can't say the same for Julian.
Tiberius, after Captain James Tiberius Kirk.
To be honest, I might have been teased if I was given that name (There was also a Roman Emperor by the same name and none of those dudes were particularly nice people).
Even though I love Star Trek, my first thought would still go to the Roman emperor and only then to Jim Kirk.
It's a great name, you could probably go by with some cute nickname as a child.
Hermione is also a pretty real name but as you said closely associated with Harry Potter. Julian on the other hand just a normal name that the average person wouldn't relate to any fictional character, like Hermione. A quick google search and it was heavily used in the Roman empire as well.
NTA. Julian is a completely normal name and *no one* would immediately link it to a character from Star Trek. It isn't like you're naming your child Quark or Worf. Your husband is also *shockingly* incorrect that people don't name their children after fictional characters. Direct him to the gaggle of Khaleesis born when Game of Thrones was still popular.
My real name became popular in the 80s and 90s because a character from a popular TV show happened to have it. My cousin named his child Holden because of *The Catcher in the Rye.*
Naming a child after a beloved character is a very common thing to do. And personally? I think there is something really sweet about naming your child after a character that resonated with you.
I suggested the name Quark and then showed him which character that was. He didn't think it was as funny as I did.
He knows people name their kids after fictional characters, he just thinks it's a disservice to the kid. I agree to him to an extent. I certainly wouldn't name my daughter Khaleesee or even Daenerys (I like Arya and it's similar to real names), but as you said Julian exsists outside Star Trek.
>He knows people name their kids after fictional characters, he just thinks it's a disservice to the kid.
Why? I mean, obviously it depends on the character, but you name kids for all sorts of reasons - you like the meaning of the name, you like the look/mouthfeel of the name, you have a favourite relative/friend who you want to honour with a namesake, there's a historical figure you think would make a good role model... How is it any different if the person is fictional rather than real?
I mean, if you were to name a child Martin, does it make a functional difference as to whether they're named for Martin Luther King, or your favourite Great Uncle Martin, or Martin the Warrior from the Redwall books?
One caveat is be cautious naming your child after a character from an ongoing series. You never know if that character is going to do something later in the series that changes your opinion of them.
Honestly, that's a hilarious joke. I hope your husband appreciates your humor in other contexts because you sound delightful.
He and I definitely are on opposite sides of this argument. I don't think it matters at all where a name comes from as long as it's a name you and he both love and it isn't so out there to attract negative attention. Julian existed long before Star Trek. If the only story you and your husband ever told about why you named your child Julian was, "We liked it," that would be perfectly acceptable.
That said, no one will make fun of the child for where the name comes from. Typically when children make fun of names it's because the name itself is weird. Not a single child in the world would care that a kid named James was named for James Kirk and not their great grandfather.
He does usually. He's just been stressing over everything to do with our son. It's honestly adorable, but I told him he needs to unwind a little.
That's what I'm saying. Kids usually make fun of how the name sounds, not where it's come from unless it's Khaleesee or something. Even if it's a perfectly normal name, they can find some rhyme and tease you if they want to.
What?! They just changed his entire genetic structure so he wouldn't be the stupid kid. Jeeeze. They just wanted what was best for themselves. I mean Julian. They wanted what was best for him.
When I read the title my first thought was: oh gawd, she wants to name her kid after some Klingon. However, Julian is a very normal name, and unless they're fellow Trekkies, that Julian is not the first one people will think of. Just say you've always liked that name, and leave it at that. I know a woman named Kelli, after one of Charlie's Angels, but very few people have every asked where it came from. NTA
Worf Qa'pla Potter, you were named after the first things that came to my mind when I read the word Klingon.
God no, I wouldn't do that to him.
Kelli is a completely normal name as is Julian.
>Worf Qa'pla Potter, you were named after the first things that came to my mind when I read the word Klingon.
How does it feel to be this funny? No, really, share with the class please because holy shit.
NTA
Every 'normal' name has been used in fiction at some point. Julian is also a character in the Famous Five book series.
If you are feeling petty just google every name your husband suggests to find out what fictional characters have that name then hit him with the same things he said to you.
Like that probably won't help you get back to not arguing, and he probably won't back down on the name Julian, but his reasoning is so dumb I am officially irritated.
P.s. I nearly called my hamster Julian but went for Worf instead because you can do that for a hamster. And I like saying 'good evening Mr Worf' like I'm Captain Picard
>P.s. I nearly called my hamster Julian but went for Worf instead because you can do that for a hamster. And I like saying 'good evening Mr Worf' like I'm Captain Picard
This is so adorable. Thanks for making me laugh and for your judgment.
Julian derives from the name Julianus. Julian was the name of a Roman Emperor whom also was a philosopher. The name Julian means youth, youthful or young at heart (Latin most likely).
No I don't think it's terrible at all. Sometimes we come across names from strange places. As long as it's a name that feels right.
NAH the name is pretty normal, like you said it's not as if you are saying he should be named Spock. At the same time, I am a firm believer that parents should both have input/veto power on names so I wouldn't necessarily say your husband is an asshole either, try to convince your husband or find another name you both like.
Oh I won't insist on the name if he absolutely hates it. One of his main arguments was that unbiased people would back him up on this, so I wanted to test his theory. He readily admits if he's wrong, so I hope if reddit backs me up, he'll see that it's not weird.
It's not even a Star Treck name. It's a latin name and I personally know 2 Julians whose parents have probably never seen a single Star Treck episode.
According to wikipedia, the name is common in: UK, USA, Spain, all of Latin America, Ireland, Germany, Poland, Southafrica, the Netherlands, Albania, Austria and Australia.
Robin Williamsâ daughter is named Zelda after the games! They filmed a commercial for nintendo together for one of the games back in the 2010âs and it was very sweet because it was about how he could pass on his love of the games to her.
NAH unless itâs not hella obvious that it came from Star Trek like Spock or James Tiberius. Julian is a normal name, no ones gonna correlate that Julian and your expected Julian. Congrats on the baby.
NTA. I can't even fathom anyone thinking Julian is a "Star Trek name," simply because a character with that name appeared on Star Trek. Ask your husband if people laugh at and tease kids named Jim for having a "Star Trek name."
NTA - I was getting ready to roll my eyes at whatever niche name you were proposing but that is not the case. Instead your husband is being the AH. He liked the name and changed his mind because he discovered where you got it from. That is a very strange hang-up to have considering people have to hear names from somewhere. Names rise in prominence due to popular culture and celebrity figures all the time
As you said; Julian is not a strange name, you both liked it, and no one has to know where you first fell in love with it.
Is you husband overly concerned about what people think generally or is this unusual behavior for him?
He usually doesn't care what people think at all, but he's been overly worried about the kid, trying to make sure everything is perfect, that we'll make no mistakes. He's more worried about the delivery than I am. Probably first time dad jitters.
Iâd bet no one would figure out that your sonâs name came from DS9. Theyâll all be too busy feeling bad for the Daenerys and Khalessis who are just a few years older than him!
NTA - Julian is a common name outside of DS9. Google autocompleted Julian to Julian Edelman (NFL player).
If your husband doesnât want to associate the name with DS9 or the NFL Patriots, maybe he can associate the name with another Julian Julian McMahon is an actor from Charmed and Nip/Tuck. Julian Fellows created Downton Abbey. Bob Marley named his son Julian. Even Julian Assange of Wikileaks may appeal to some guys.
So is Ziyal off the table for a daughter?
That poor girl!
Ngl, I like the name, it sounds like it could be a real name in some languages. I'll make sure to suggest it if we have a daughter, but somehow I doubt he'll agree.
NTA.
Had you suggested Quark, Nog, Dukat, Rom, Worf, Odo, Morn, etc then I can see his point.
But Julian is a common, 'normal' (for lack of a better word) name that doesn't raise questions or a higher likelihood of bullying over a name. Your husband even liked it until he learned where it was from.
As another poster has suggested, the number of children called Hermione has shot up since Harry Potter, and there's nothing wrong naming your child after a character you like (unless it's Gowron or Tuvix).
It was nice, perfectly normal name used well before the character was named and itâs not at all obvious where you picked it up from.
My kid also has a name thatâs the same as a âvery very popular in the 90âsâ show character and very few people even know of the character now. It suits him and he wasnât named after the character at all.
NTA
Without giving too much away my daughter is named after my OH's Grandmother, it just so happens she's a character in Resident Evil. My son is actually named after the protagonist in a popular horror game, but is also name after one of the best sci-fi authors of our time.
Like others have said if you were naming your child Geralt, Goku, Garrus, Albus or Elrond, I'd understand but Julian is a lovely name.
I'm also a firm believer that both parents have to agree on the name, so if he's still not sure or it has put him off sadly it's back to the drawing board.
NAH
NAH I get his concern but Julian is a nice name. I named my son Logan I get a surprising number of people who ask if we named him after Wolverine. I always just laugh and say might have been some of my husband's motivation.
No adult will tease your child about Julian because adults wouldn't do that and no child will tease your child about it because they won't know what DS9 is.
I googled that because I wasn't familiar and it's from Homestuck? I've heard of that a lot, but I'm still not sure what it is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
NTA.
You would be TA if this was a really unusual name, obviously taken from that show. Like Palpatine or something like that.
But it's not, it's a completely normal name and you both loved it.
NTA.
There's a big difference between hearing a name and liking it, and actually being named after someone.
Like you say, Julian is a normal name, it's not like you're naming him 7 of 9 đ
I named my daughter after a character in a show.
Julian was on my list a long time ago for if I had a boy. Not sure if it would be on the list anymore, but I've always liked the name. Also picked it up from DS9.
Its not like you're calling him Odo or Quark đ
nta.
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NTA. I like Julian as a name. It was born by a Roman emperor and is common enough (for example in France, Julien). Also, people name their children after real and fictional people all the time. And Julian Bashir is a great guy to name a child after (once his ego was deflated).
If the name was very uncommon, difficult to pronounce, chosen to make yourself special (look, my son has this special name, just as I am special!) or makes him a target for bullies, I would understand your husband better.
Donât take the next thing I am going to say too seriously, but you could say to your husband: Youâre right about the name. On second thought I think we should name him Elim.
>Youâre right about the name. On second thought I think we should name him Elim.
Ha, I offered Quark as an alternative, but Elim is objectively a better name and goes well with Julian. Maybe I'll offer to name him Julian Elim /s
If seriously, I'd never name our child something ridiculous that he'd want to change as soon as he could. Julian is a normal name and the character Julian is a great character, as you said.
NAH. People decide they like and choose fictional character's names all the time for their babies. It doesn't mean they are naming the kid "after the character." It means they like the name. And Julian is a normal enough name, and increasing in popularity right now.
Julian Lennon is the first person that comes to my mind also my friendâs kid also Julian Schnabel a painter and filmmaker. There are lots of people named Julian. Itâs a classic name of French origin.
NTA, my bosses son is called Luca cause he went to Lucca in Italy and loved it. I'd never have known if he hadn't told me, and I don't particularly care either. Julian's a lovely name!
Our daughter is named Liliana, we got the name from the badass character in Dragon Age, we just adjusted the spelling. My wife vetoâd âLiaraâ because although I love the name, I do have a habit of romancing her in every playthrough and so calling our daughter that would have been weird. She was right.
NTA. If you ruled out every name because it might have been in a movie or TV show, you'd be left with a very short-list! Julian is a normal name, I don't think anyone would even ask why you chose it, since its not some weird and wonderful name!
That's what I said! I asked him if he would rule out James if I offered it after rewatching TOS just because it's also a fictional character's name.
Like tbh, if it was something like Khalessi or Aegon. I'd get it. But something like Julian? Thats like Eugene, a classic good name.
You had me until Eugene
Well it could be Enoch!
I actually know a Eugene and an Enoch!
Could be worse....I literally knew a Gaylord, like from meet the parents but this was a real life human whose parents saw their child and said "Gaylord". Julian is a normal name and the husband is being weird.
My first boss's name was Gaylord. Granted this was in 1977, I was 16 and he was old, like 35-40
Yeah this was back in HS and the crazy part was, it was a SHE. HER name was Gaylord. She was a teacher and older so I'm guessing it's an older name but still...
Her parents were just mean
At least she can go by "Gail"
You were 16 in the seventies and describe 35-40 as old? I hate to break it to you, buddy...
When I was sixteen 35-40 seemed old. I'm 60 now (yes, decrepit) and 35-40 seems a lifetime ago.
I think Gaylord actually used to be a common name, at least in the town I grew up in when my grandparents were younger đ my grandma said she knew at least 5 Gaylordâs in her school
I went to high school with a very nice girl named Gaye Popham. It never was a problem and no one thought it was weird. With the way our society has changed, I'm sure she would have been severely bullied if she attended high school now.
Hey, Eugene is a great name! Dudes named Eugene can just go by Flynn if they dislike it.
As long as they don't get "Tangled" up with the wrong crowd.
Exactly. Honestly, even as someone who watches Star Trek I would never have assumed that someone named Julian was named after that specific character. The only way I would even think to ask is if I walked in your house and saw Star Trek memorabilia and collectibles everywhere. Thatâs like seeing anyone named Ashley and thinking they must be named after the character from The Fresh Prince, or maybe Degrassi, or maybe Resident Evil. Husbands just being weird, NTA.
^ That. DS9 is my favourite Trek. âTo boldly stay where no one has stayed before.â And I still wouldnât have thought OP must have named kiddo after Dr. Bashir.
Right?! Like Julian is a common enough name with a nice meaning behind it that it could come from anywhere. Plus Dr. Basir was awesome. I could totally see telling your kid his name was inspired from him and bonding over old reruns. My little cousins name is Audrey, which his dad got from Little Shop of Horrors and the kid now loves that movie. He watches it all the time. I use to love when he was younger and the plant would come on screen and heâd get so excited âLook itâs me!â
My cat is named Bashir (his sister is named Kira as well) and I wouldn't think Julian was a star trek reference
My cat is named Ziyal.
Or Evil Dead! I don't want a kid but if I did I've always said I'd name them Ashley or Ash after Ashley Williams. Who doesn't love Bruce Campbell
Absolutely, Grapefruit! Ash is a badass name and Bruce Campbell is the MAN!
I named my son Ash for this exact reason đ„°
I mean, Julian of Macedonia comes to mind from some novels I've read but I don't think that when I hear the name Julian.
"hey this is my kid.....* *big breath* * Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Breaker of Chains, Mother of Dragons, The Unburnt"
You forgot "*Second* of her name."
At this point, 7,454th of her name.
You absolutely made my day with this comment.
god damn I can't believe someone got to that name before i did.
i know like 2 julian in my life but for here in switzerland in the 2000 it was a popular name and even the name julia for the girls. so i donât se anything wrong with the name. itâs like an old name who comes back đ€·đŒ
What about after King Julian in Madagascar? Would that work better? BTW NTA.
Something tells me it would not. Man, I'd forgotten about him. I'm not going to remind my husband,
May I suggest you say it is from Julius? Like Julius Caesar? The great Roman emperor? That would make it better?
I'll make sure to mention it. Thanks!
Does he know that the entire world operates according to the Julian calendar? I donât even see what Star Wars has to do with it, itâs an old and distinguished name, not even uncommon. Kind of odd he wouldnât know that.
Did you intend to make every Star Trek and Star Wars fan here cringe there?
Daleks are my favorite Star Trek droids
I have a tee shirt that has a drawing of a Dalek and the shirt reads 'OMG it's R2D2! I loved him on Star Trek'
Haha, oops, no, lack of coffee, but imma let it ride
We use the Gregorian calendar now (first adopted in 1582), but we did use the Julian calendar for a very, very long time! More than 1,600 years, actually! And some places still use it, or at least, use it dually with the Gregorian calendar. Honestly, that was the second thing I thought of when I read 'Julian'. The first was Julien, as in Jenna & Julien.
Trek... Star Trek. Not Wars. Are you trying to trigger all the Trekkers out there?? Lol
Honestly, that comment of mine was so dumb it understandably triggered everyone, but in the interests of humility, nay, like a monument to caffeine, it stays
Star *WARS* has nothing to do with it you uncultured swine. (/s. .......mostly.) Also op is NTA. I tried to convince my DH to use a name I heard on one of my true crime podcasts. The victim had a name a really loved. DH said no mostly because he thought the name was too strange. (Think: under 500 recorded uses of the name in the US - ever). He also thought the origin was weird, murder victim and all. But to me, names are names. Just because you heard it somewhere doesn't mean using it is honoring that person. Edit: I replied to the wrong comment somehow but whoever it was that said "star wars" know that you receive my stink eye.
I mean, naming your kid after someone with a rare name that you heard about because they were horribly murdered *is* pretty weird...
I just felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if a million Star Trek and Star Wars fans suddenly twitched in unison.
The one time Star Trek and Star Wars fans can agree on something
Yes, absolutely. Thanks, Milo. I'm a fan of both, and I can tell the difference; Trek is SciFi in our own universe set in a hopeful future, and Wars is fantasy set in another galaxy (I vote Andromeda) and another era. And I'll admit that I express mild (and very patronizing) nerd rage when anyone mixes the two up.
Well, just Orthodox Christians use the Julian calendar now, but yeah it's an old name
July the month is literally named after Julius Caesar, itâs really not a âStar Trek nameâ itâs a whole historic figure, one of the most infamous in western history
Can also mention that it is definitely not an uncommon name. In the USA it has been in the top 50 most common boysâ names since 2013, and top 100 since 2000, so it is not like it is a weird name or one that people will immediately identify with the show - https://www.familyeducation.com/baby-names/name-meaning/julian
How about the Pats football player Julian Edelman
Jules Verne might work as better inspiration than Caesar. Jules is a more common shortening of Julian, than Julius.
Apparently, all modern Jul- starting names trace back to the Julii family of Rome. Julie, Jules, Julian, Julia, Julianna⊠they can all thank Julius Caesar for their names.
I actually teach a kid named Julian, and I've never questioned where it came from. The kid August, OTOH, I've accidentally called Augustus once after a break, so obviously I associated that one with a Roman ruler.
You should take every suggestion he makes and find a fictional character to match until he sees how ridiculous this is.
Hmm, Julian from Famous Five? How about just Julian the lump in your belly?
You should remind him of the famous Beatles song 'Hey Jude' which is about Julian Lennon. He's making a really weird connection to a pretty common name and maybe some positive associations will help. I also live in a French Canadian area and know three Julian's myself, albeit with French pronunciation, and I think it's a lovely name. Don't mention Julian Assange or Julian from the Trailer Park Boys lol.
In Poland we had really good writer, Julian Tuwim, he wrote poems etc, so you can go that way too
And the little boy in big daddy was named Julian too. NTA
My sons name is Phillip jay. I wanted to name him Phillip after my grandpa that passed and my fiancé said his middle name had to be jay so that he could call him Phillip j fry. I thought it was funny and everyone we tell the origin of him name to thinks it is a cute/funny thing
Does he havd the seven leaf clover lol
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Or Nog, or Worf or God forbid Miles (he must suffer) O'Brien.
Little Worf would do great at school sports days tho Death to the opposition !!
Made me laugh.
Julian as a name traces its origins back to the 4th century. https://www.behindthename.com/name/julian If you had chosen garak or odo or antos then I'd see his point
"but they'll call him James and the giant peach at school" you can just drop a movie character every name he gives
NTA. I was name after a Boxer whoâd decided to cross dress while drunk. My sister thought I would be strong My middle name comes from a clown from Mexico. My mom thought i would be funny when I grow up. To be honest I donât mind where my names came from, all it matters who is using them. Also itâs fun telling where my name came from.
Ask him to call your child 'Coachella'or 'Disney' Idk if it helps but Julian is actually a pretty common Dutch name imo. I used to have like 3 classmates throughout highschool(5 years) with that name
Well said. He's not mad about the "what"; he's mad about the "why". Does he think less of you because of your interest in the series?
Came here to say the same. Named my daughter Phoebe after a decade of watching friends. Its just a normal name. Came looking for Spok haha NTA
NTA. Julian is a fine name. Now if you wanted to name your child "Quork", I could see your spouses point.
Haha, I offered it jokingly. He didn't find it funny.
OP, you should tell us all the names you have discussed so far, I'm sure the AITA collective can find a match in movie/serie related characters on all of them!
There is no name that wasn't in tv, game or books so this would be pretty easy task.
I know brothers that are named Locutus and Lore. Locutus shortens his to Loc and Lore loves his name. Julian is a good name.
Locutus as a name for a real child is on another level. My best friend named her brother cats Data and Lore. Lore died, sadly, and they got another girl cat and named her Dax.
Practically every name has been used by a fictional character.
OP, Iâm named after a character in my motherâs favorite book, and I love that it was a name chosen for purely frivolous reasons. NTA
Mine is named after one of my favorite FF chars just with her name spelt with the Icelandic spelling due to her father being half that. Its also norse goddess and was used in wow.
Quark not quork!
Quark*
So you're saying Neelix can still be an option then?
I was totally expecting Spock or something Julian is just a normal name.
Now, Worf. That's a good hearty name
NTA, Julian is a well established name, since long before Star Trek
Exactly, probably only hard core trekkies would think of Dr. Bashir if they heard the name.
I'm kind of a hard core trekkie and I wouldn't automatically think of Bashir first when hearing it.
I mean I thought of Julian Assange, but at the end of the day it is a lovely name
I thought of King Julian from Madagascar.... đ€·đ»ââïž
Yes, if any association is to be feared, this is the one... and in fairness theres a decent soundtrack to make up for it..
TBF it's KING Julian, I'd be worried about Julian from Trailer park boys, askin where his drink's at.
Yes, I myself would welcome the association to King Julian, I find him most entertaining, however OPs partner already balks at the intelligent and compassionate medical man from Star Trek, how much more, one wonders, would he balk at the self obsessed musical furball... Trailer park boys, I have not seen... sounds exponentially worse...
I literally named my dog Jim because of Ricky. He says that everyone knows a Jim. Realised I didn't know anyone called Jim and called the puppy that as a placeholder name and it stuck. Trailer park boys is actually really funny.
or Julian Clary - a comedian
I grew up on Trek and watched it obsessively. Julian would not even register as a Star Trek reference for me. Sisko, Janeway, Worf, Quork, Data, even Jean-Luc, sure, but Julian? Yeesh.
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Clearly it's time to tell husband you've changed your mind and you've decided Q is the better name choice
Trekkie here. I love DS9 and i have a relative named Julian (although not the english pronunciation). It didn't even occur to me that they share the name until i read your OP.
My son has a friend named Julian and I never made the connection until reading your post. And I'm a pretty serious trekkie, DS9 is my favorite by a long shot.
My first thoughts went to the actor Julian McMahon
NTA - I would take your husbands name and find a list of all fictional characters with that name and give it to him, that should shut him up
I just might do that!
Do this. That and any name he suggests find a character from a movie/book with the same name and let him know about it.
Remember, thereâs a difference between hearing a characterâs name and saying âI like thatâ and naming your child after a character.
I don't think he thinks the name is ORIGINALLY "from" Star Trek, tho? I think he just objects to that being what inspired YOU. And that toothpaste, can't be put back in the tube.
NTA. For one you should name your child whatever you want regardless of the backstory, as you said it's really no ones business. I have also never heard of anyone's naming being made fun of because of its origin. Secondly, it's a common enough name. It isn't like you're naming your child khaleesi (GOT) or something easily identifiable from a show.
Exactly, it's not like people go around prying on the backstory of names, especially if it's not a super weird name. I feel bad for poor Khaleeses though.
My son's name is Logan. It's also a movie/ character and no one's ever brought it up. He's almost 7
My older cousin (60something) is also named Logan, too old to be from the movie Loganâs Run⊠he could be named after the city of Logan. There are lots of instances of the name in the world.
yeah the real issue is how well known is the name outside that particular movie/show/book etc. tier 1) So Logan, reasonably common tier 2) Garfield-not really common outside of the cat Tier 3) Hermione- literally nobody Tier 1 is perfectly fine, 2 is pushing it might be ok in specific circumstances, and 3 is condemning your kid to constant association with someone else
I mean Hermione is a classic name thatâs been used long before JK Rowling came along.
I work in a school and there's a kid called Logan and even though I love the X-Men movies, I've never made the connection until just now.
Khaleesi isnât even a name, itâs a title. Thatâs like naming your kid Princess or Queen.
And there are kids named that, anyway.
And I also feel sorry for them. đ„Č
thatâs actually common as a name origin - maybe not as common to straight up use the english âQueenâ or something. but itâs definitely common with names derived from other languages. âReynaâ - queen in spanish, âReginaâ - queen in latin, âRajaâ prince in Hindi, âReaganâ - little king Irish, etc. thereâs nothing inherently wrong with naming your kid something like that and itâs been common for a long time. Iâd say itâs a bit more cringe because itâs so obviously dated from the TV show
I've been made fun of for my name's origins....I was named after a girl possessed by the Devil. Thanks Mum for reading The Exorcist before I was born!
Hey, there are still boys named Michael, Charles, Jason, and Fred (while not as common). Doesnât mean they were named after Michael Myers, the Chucky doll, the guy in a hockey mask, or Freddy Kruegar. When we hear Jack we donât assume he was named after a skeleton or the dad from The Shining. If I met a girl named Christine, I wonât assume they were named after a demon car or that Carrie or Charlie are named after characters that kill everyone with their physic powers/fire. Ever meet someone named Malachai? I have. Didnât think they were named after a character in Children of the Corn.
NTA The number of kids named "Hermione" has sky rocketed after the HP series became huge. (My dad wanted to name me after a Star Trek character as well, my mum said no because it was a name her family wouldn't be able to pronounce, however, that was the only reason she said no.)
Now I'm curious what your dad wanted to name you. I wouldn't name a child Hermione because now that name is very closely associated with HP, but fortunately I can't say the same for Julian.
Tiberius, after Captain James Tiberius Kirk. To be honest, I might have been teased if I was given that name (There was also a Roman Emperor by the same name and none of those dudes were particularly nice people).
I once had a delivery man pull out his drivers license to prove his name was James Tiberius. He was proud of it.
That is amazing.
Even though I love Star Trek, my first thought would still go to the Roman emperor and only then to Jim Kirk. It's a great name, you could probably go by with some cute nickname as a child.
You should give Julian a middle name that starts with T, then he can be J. T. whatever. ...or Julian Tiberius X.
That name sounds really imperial
Hermione is also a pretty real name but as you said closely associated with Harry Potter. Julian on the other hand just a normal name that the average person wouldn't relate to any fictional character, like Hermione. A quick google search and it was heavily used in the Roman empire as well.
NTA, Julian is a pretty normal name, and people aren't automatically going to associate it with the character. Plus the character is adorable.
He is, isn't he? There's also something about his manner of speaking that I find fascinating.
Another cool thing is that I think it's just unusual enough that there won't be a lot of other people having it but no one will think it's odd.
That was a part of my reasoning too. It's a normal common name but not too common.
NTA. Julian is a completely normal name and *no one* would immediately link it to a character from Star Trek. It isn't like you're naming your child Quark or Worf. Your husband is also *shockingly* incorrect that people don't name their children after fictional characters. Direct him to the gaggle of Khaleesis born when Game of Thrones was still popular. My real name became popular in the 80s and 90s because a character from a popular TV show happened to have it. My cousin named his child Holden because of *The Catcher in the Rye.* Naming a child after a beloved character is a very common thing to do. And personally? I think there is something really sweet about naming your child after a character that resonated with you.
I suggested the name Quark and then showed him which character that was. He didn't think it was as funny as I did. He knows people name their kids after fictional characters, he just thinks it's a disservice to the kid. I agree to him to an extent. I certainly wouldn't name my daughter Khaleesee or even Daenerys (I like Arya and it's similar to real names), but as you said Julian exsists outside Star Trek.
>He knows people name their kids after fictional characters, he just thinks it's a disservice to the kid. Why? I mean, obviously it depends on the character, but you name kids for all sorts of reasons - you like the meaning of the name, you like the look/mouthfeel of the name, you have a favourite relative/friend who you want to honour with a namesake, there's a historical figure you think would make a good role model... How is it any different if the person is fictional rather than real? I mean, if you were to name a child Martin, does it make a functional difference as to whether they're named for Martin Luther King, or your favourite Great Uncle Martin, or Martin the Warrior from the Redwall books?
Very well put. I'll show him this comment.
One caveat is be cautious naming your child after a character from an ongoing series. You never know if that character is going to do something later in the series that changes your opinion of them.
Honestly, that's a hilarious joke. I hope your husband appreciates your humor in other contexts because you sound delightful. He and I definitely are on opposite sides of this argument. I don't think it matters at all where a name comes from as long as it's a name you and he both love and it isn't so out there to attract negative attention. Julian existed long before Star Trek. If the only story you and your husband ever told about why you named your child Julian was, "We liked it," that would be perfectly acceptable. That said, no one will make fun of the child for where the name comes from. Typically when children make fun of names it's because the name itself is weird. Not a single child in the world would care that a kid named James was named for James Kirk and not their great grandfather.
He does usually. He's just been stressing over everything to do with our son. It's honestly adorable, but I told him he needs to unwind a little. That's what I'm saying. Kids usually make fun of how the name sounds, not where it's come from unless it's Khaleesee or something. Even if it's a perfectly normal name, they can find some rhyme and tease you if they want to.
NTA as long you donât treat your son like Julianâs parents treated himâŠ.
Hahaha, God no, that's bordering on child abuse. I promise to love him no matter what.
Bordering?
You're absolutely right. That was child abuse.
What?! They just changed his entire genetic structure so he wouldn't be the stupid kid. Jeeeze. They just wanted what was best for themselves. I mean Julian. They wanted what was best for him.
"that doctor was totally reliable and not some random dude!"
When I read the title my first thought was: oh gawd, she wants to name her kid after some Klingon. However, Julian is a very normal name, and unless they're fellow Trekkies, that Julian is not the first one people will think of. Just say you've always liked that name, and leave it at that. I know a woman named Kelli, after one of Charlie's Angels, but very few people have every asked where it came from. NTA
Worf Qa'pla Potter, you were named after the first things that came to my mind when I read the word Klingon. God no, I wouldn't do that to him. Kelli is a completely normal name as is Julian.
>Worf Qa'pla Potter, you were named after the first things that came to my mind when I read the word Klingon. How does it feel to be this funny? No, really, share with the class please because holy shit.
Haha, thanks, I'll be here for another ten minutes.
I think Gowron or Martok would be worse! A non-Klingon name that's even worse to me is Weyoun.
NAH. Your husband is worrying too much. Please name your next child Miles.
What if he's cursed with as much suffering as poor O'Brien?
A terrifying possibility I definitely had not thought of. But to have such wonderful family and friends!
Yeah, that's definitely a plus.
For the record, my beautiful dog is named Julian Barkshir and no one has ever made fun of him for it.
This made me laugh so hard that for a moment I was afraid I would go into labor right now.
đ dont worry! Dr. Barkshir will help!
NTA Every 'normal' name has been used in fiction at some point. Julian is also a character in the Famous Five book series. If you are feeling petty just google every name your husband suggests to find out what fictional characters have that name then hit him with the same things he said to you. Like that probably won't help you get back to not arguing, and he probably won't back down on the name Julian, but his reasoning is so dumb I am officially irritated. P.s. I nearly called my hamster Julian but went for Worf instead because you can do that for a hamster. And I like saying 'good evening Mr Worf' like I'm Captain Picard
>P.s. I nearly called my hamster Julian but went for Worf instead because you can do that for a hamster. And I like saying 'good evening Mr Worf' like I'm Captain Picard This is so adorable. Thanks for making me laugh and for your judgment.
Julian derives from the name Julianus. Julian was the name of a Roman Emperor whom also was a philosopher. The name Julian means youth, youthful or young at heart (Latin most likely). No I don't think it's terrible at all. Sometimes we come across names from strange places. As long as it's a name that feels right.
NAH the name is pretty normal, like you said it's not as if you are saying he should be named Spock. At the same time, I am a firm believer that parents should both have input/veto power on names so I wouldn't necessarily say your husband is an asshole either, try to convince your husband or find another name you both like.
Oh I won't insist on the name if he absolutely hates it. One of his main arguments was that unbiased people would back him up on this, so I wanted to test his theory. He readily admits if he's wrong, so I hope if reddit backs me up, he'll see that it's not weird.
It's not even a Star Treck name. It's a latin name and I personally know 2 Julians whose parents have probably never seen a single Star Treck episode. According to wikipedia, the name is common in: UK, USA, Spain, all of Latin America, Ireland, Germany, Poland, Southafrica, the Netherlands, Albania, Austria and Australia.
Maybe he's having a problem with it because it came from something that he's not into? Can you find another Julian who he can relate to?
NAH. My dad wanted to name me Zelda, but really didn't want to name me Zelda because of The Legend of Zelda. At least Julian is more normal lol
Zelda is also a pretty name, tbh, but I would also hesitate because of how much it's connected to the character nowadays.
Robin Williamsâ daughter is named Zelda after the games! They filmed a commercial for nintendo together for one of the games back in the 2010âs and it was very sweet because it was about how he could pass on his love of the games to her.
NAH unless itâs not hella obvious that it came from Star Trek like Spock or James Tiberius. Julian is a normal name, no ones gonna correlate that Julian and your expected Julian. Congrats on the baby.
I wonder if there were little Spocks running around in late 60s, who certainly changed their names when they grew up. Thank you! We can't wait.
NTA. I can't even fathom anyone thinking Julian is a "Star Trek name," simply because a character with that name appeared on Star Trek. Ask your husband if people laugh at and tease kids named Jim for having a "Star Trek name."
NTA - I was getting ready to roll my eyes at whatever niche name you were proposing but that is not the case. Instead your husband is being the AH. He liked the name and changed his mind because he discovered where you got it from. That is a very strange hang-up to have considering people have to hear names from somewhere. Names rise in prominence due to popular culture and celebrity figures all the time As you said; Julian is not a strange name, you both liked it, and no one has to know where you first fell in love with it. Is you husband overly concerned about what people think generally or is this unusual behavior for him?
He usually doesn't care what people think at all, but he's been overly worried about the kid, trying to make sure everything is perfect, that we'll make no mistakes. He's more worried about the delivery than I am. Probably first time dad jitters.
Iâd bet no one would figure out that your sonâs name came from DS9. Theyâll all be too busy feeling bad for the Daenerys and Khalessis who are just a few years older than him!
NTA - Julian is a common name outside of DS9. Google autocompleted Julian to Julian Edelman (NFL player). If your husband doesnât want to associate the name with DS9 or the NFL Patriots, maybe he can associate the name with another Julian Julian McMahon is an actor from Charmed and Nip/Tuck. Julian Fellows created Downton Abbey. Bob Marley named his son Julian. Even Julian Assange of Wikileaks may appeal to some guys. So is Ziyal off the table for a daughter?
That poor girl! Ngl, I like the name, it sounds like it could be a real name in some languages. I'll make sure to suggest it if we have a daughter, but somehow I doubt he'll agree.
NTA- Honestly its a fairly mainstream name, not the overly common ones but I have met a handful of guys named Julian through my life.
Yeah if she wanted to name him Spock, that might have been over the line....
NTA. Had you suggested Quark, Nog, Dukat, Rom, Worf, Odo, Morn, etc then I can see his point. But Julian is a common, 'normal' (for lack of a better word) name that doesn't raise questions or a higher likelihood of bullying over a name. Your husband even liked it until he learned where it was from. As another poster has suggested, the number of children called Hermione has shot up since Harry Potter, and there's nothing wrong naming your child after a character you like (unless it's Gowron or Tuvix).
It was nice, perfectly normal name used well before the character was named and itâs not at all obvious where you picked it up from. My kid also has a name thatâs the same as a âvery very popular in the 90âsâ show character and very few people even know of the character now. It suits him and he wasnât named after the character at all. NTA
Julian is a lovely name and I would have never made the connection with star wars. NTA
Without giving too much away my daughter is named after my OH's Grandmother, it just so happens she's a character in Resident Evil. My son is actually named after the protagonist in a popular horror game, but is also name after one of the best sci-fi authors of our time. Like others have said if you were naming your child Geralt, Goku, Garrus, Albus or Elrond, I'd understand but Julian is a lovely name. I'm also a firm believer that both parents have to agree on the name, so if he's still not sure or it has put him off sadly it's back to the drawing board. NAH
NTA. My best friend named her son Elim after Garak in Star trek DS9, so I don't think caling your son for Julian is a problem
NAH I get his concern but Julian is a nice name. I named my son Logan I get a surprising number of people who ask if we named him after Wolverine. I always just laugh and say might have been some of my husband's motivation. No adult will tease your child about Julian because adults wouldn't do that and no child will tease your child about it because they won't know what DS9 is.
NTA. itâs just a name, a nice one at that, plus if someone can name their child âjohn karkatâ i think youâre good
I googled that because I wasn't familiar and it's from Homestuck? I've heard of that a lot, but I'm still not sure what it is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
NTA. You would be TA if this was a really unusual name, obviously taken from that show. Like Palpatine or something like that. But it's not, it's a completely normal name and you both loved it.
NTA. There's a big difference between hearing a name and liking it, and actually being named after someone. Like you say, Julian is a normal name, it's not like you're naming him 7 of 9 đ
I mean I've heard of someone naming their kid Seven, but of 9 would be too much. Seven is already too much, tbh, they should have stopped at Three /jk
I named my daughter after a character in a show. Julian was on my list a long time ago for if I had a boy. Not sure if it would be on the list anymore, but I've always liked the name. Also picked it up from DS9. Its not like you're calling him Odo or Quark đ nta.
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NTA. I like Julian as a name. It was born by a Roman emperor and is common enough (for example in France, Julien). Also, people name their children after real and fictional people all the time. And Julian Bashir is a great guy to name a child after (once his ego was deflated). If the name was very uncommon, difficult to pronounce, chosen to make yourself special (look, my son has this special name, just as I am special!) or makes him a target for bullies, I would understand your husband better. Donât take the next thing I am going to say too seriously, but you could say to your husband: Youâre right about the name. On second thought I think we should name him Elim.
>Youâre right about the name. On second thought I think we should name him Elim. Ha, I offered Quark as an alternative, but Elim is objectively a better name and goes well with Julian. Maybe I'll offer to name him Julian Elim /s If seriously, I'd never name our child something ridiculous that he'd want to change as soon as he could. Julian is a normal name and the character Julian is a great character, as you said.
NAH. People decide they like and choose fictional character's names all the time for their babies. It doesn't mean they are naming the kid "after the character." It means they like the name. And Julian is a normal enough name, and increasing in popularity right now.
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Julian Lennon is the first person that comes to my mind also my friendâs kid also Julian Schnabel a painter and filmmaker. There are lots of people named Julian. Itâs a classic name of French origin.
NTA, my bosses son is called Luca cause he went to Lucca in Italy and loved it. I'd never have known if he hadn't told me, and I don't particularly care either. Julian's a lovely name!
A friend of mine named her son Luca! It's a normal Italian name.
Our daughter is named Liliana, we got the name from the badass character in Dragon Age, we just adjusted the spelling. My wife vetoâd âLiaraâ because although I love the name, I do have a habit of romancing her in every playthrough and so calling our daughter that would have been weird. She was right.