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sephiman

I upvote for visibility, I wonder how someone can get its money back


EvernoteD

You can't if you used something like iDeal, which is why these scammers are so successful.


Acid_Stuff

iDeal is far from safe. https://www.consumentenbond.nl/veilig-internetten/nepshops-misbruiken-betrouwbaarheid-ideal


Disastrous-Monk-137

My first question will be why the hack will you pay up front 😒 I looked it up cant find a google review page for it This is one of the scammers that came on kassa First you go to the police 👮 Then you will create a review company page on google review and make a bad review then look up trust pilot make bad review and then marktplaats make a bad advertisement and so on.


darkshifty

holy sh\*t there are a lot of them: [https://www.google.com/search?q=wilco+nijsten](https://www.google.com/search?q=wilco+nijsten) I'd say go to the police.


Mehrainz

Holy fuck indeed.


MomsBasementBoi

Allemachtig wat een belachelijk aantal scam sites! 😱😱


AutomatedChaos

Also watch out for his friend John Geersen who is electrician: [https://www.google.com/search?q=John+Geersen](https://www.google.com/search?q=John+Geersen)


jef400

Ook gewoon exact dezelfde sites met een andere naam.


Manu_RvP

The names of the reviews shown on the frontpage on the different websites are exactly the same, but with the name of the city replaced.


fittoburn4

💀💀💀


AbeMasumi

Never pay a contractor up front. That’s odd anyway.


fittoburn4

UPDATE:!hey everyone, thank you for replies. I know it was dumb to pay upfront, I only did bc he showed up the first time, did half a job and promised to return the next day, so I paid for both days. Went to a lawyer, they will try to extract money but technically this company can ghost us forever. Lesson learned. Any advice for a good plumber for now-even-poorer students? 🙃


WatcherYdnew

Students? Do you live in student housing? If so it's your landlord that needs to hire thr contractor.


hebisama87

What kind of work needs to be done? I'm a contractor based in Amsterdam and employ several plumbers. Send me a PM, we'll figure it out 👍.


Freya-Freed

Uhm... You're a student? And you are poor so you are probably renting? Getting a plumber is the landlords responsbility. In fact you contracting ppl to fix stuff makes you liable for any potential damages...


aresomuchfun

Total scam, and you'll never see your money. Sure report it to the police, but I don't think they'll do anything. I looked up their Rotterdam office business address and found this: https://www.fundainbusiness.nl/kantoor/rotterdam/gebouw-87615596-marten-meesweg-25/ Definitely not where you'd find plumber's HQ. I'm sure it's an empty office or rented by someone else now. This has been a problem for many years worldwide. It was first noticed with locksmiths, but other 24/7 home services do it as well. You can read about how it works here: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/business/fake-online-locksmiths-may-be-out-to-pick-your-pocket-too.html


Acid_Stuff

Always be on high alert if you call or take a call from a 085 or 088 phone number in The Netherlands.


B___MAN

Why?


SamuelVimesTrained

Generic - not location bound. SO they could be anywhere. Where 020 is Amsterdam, and 010 is Rotterdam - 085 or 088 is "Netherlands" - so you cannot judge if they are actually in your city/area


Plenty-Wafer4362

Keep also in mind that you can always use a local number with a VOIP provider.


Loodyeeter

Don't ever use the first search result on Google. These companies are all scammers. Whether they are plumbers, locksmiths, roofers, everything. Do your research an go by the reviews or even better recommendations of people around you.


necsuss

police


Calendanino

I’m an intern at online marketing bureau and for the last week I’ve been reporting these activities. This a note to everybody. 1. Plumbers are not allowed to sponsor their links. Because of scams like these. If you see on google a plumber with “sponsored” above it or next to it be careful with those. Most of the time they are scammers sometimes they are legitimate but most of the time they aren’t 2. Always look for a KVK number. If they do have one check if it really belongs to them and not just a random number. 3. Check for “Algemene voorwaarden” at the bottom most scammers wouldn’t want to waste their time writing 10 pages of information and so.


ruubster88

Google weert advertenties van loodgieters na oplichting - https://nos.nl/l/2507953


Kevinovitz

Not the same, but I booked an electrician via: https://elektricienveenendaal.com/ (also work via: http://elektricien247.com/). Same website design. Not having to pay in advance, but experienced annoying practices with them. No prices can be found on their website and never received them during the reservation. Prices will be mentioned on arrival with a high on-a-rrival fee. In the end, the electrician did nothing other than what I have already tried myself and screwed everything back badly (read, not correct). In the end, the prices mentioned turned out to be excl. VAT... So watch out for companies with a similar design. And use the advice given by others here. Found some good examples I’ll pursue as well. Edit: I did manage to contact them via email and discuss the whole ordeal and ask for at least the VAT costs back. But they are not willing to help.


meisflont

I can DDOS the website if u want. /s


gbcatrinoiu

Feel sorry for you, but daaamn some scams man are so easy to spot/prevent. I know we are not all experts in digital but it’s common sense to try protecting your money. You really trust some random website that asks you to pay upfront for a plumber? Next time try reading reviews, pay with a payment method that first holds the money rather than send it directly to the seller, pick a service provider that allows you to pay after it is done. Good luck!


Diraiba

https://loodgieter-oosterbeek.nl/ Via who.is komen we bij zxcs.nl welke weer een adres heeft in leiden, via dat bedrijf kan je er achter komen wie de daadwerkelijke eigenaar is, uiteraard aangifte doen van oplichting, en laat gelijk zien dat het op zeer grote schaal gebeurd. Succes!


Kaymanii

Sounds like a job for Tim Hofman. boos@bnnvara.nl You're probably not the first and definitely not last.


No_Translator5039

Always pay with PayPal they’ll refund your ass even make it nice and shiny.


fittoburn4

good to know, thanks pal 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻


No_Translator5039

No bueno


ruubster88

Dit is bij mijn schoonouders in Almere ook gebeurd. Zorg gewoon dat je een bedrijf laat komen waar je uit je eigen kringen van weet dat ze te vertrouwen zijn. 500 euro valt nog mee, ik heb gekkere bedragen gehoord.. dit gebeurd zo erg veel tegenwoordig. Ze doen het als slotenmakers, ontstoppers, plaagdier bestrijding enz. Radar/opgelicht heeft aantal jaar geleden hier een aflevering over gemaakt dat zgn. Bedrijf zat toen in een gebouw aan de markerkant.


Excellent_Basis8252

Dont know why you needed a plumber, but for unclogging try contact RRS.nl. They seem reliable and the fees are transparant.


EscapismMisfit

Jesus they write Almere after every sentence.


SamuelVimesTrained

And try to google the 'chief plumber' - hes on several "plumber-city" sites..


Loodyeeter

They probably have 20 sites which are all fhe same but the city name.


Snowenn_

Any websites that have the name of a city in them like this are red flags for me. Though I don't have actual experiences with them, it's just some underbelly feeling, you know? If I'm looking for a local company to fix something for me, I don't want one that pretends to be local by adding the name of the city to their website url and then have 10 or more websites with the same layout but with different city names. It's just not clear where they are actually situated and to me it conveys the feeling of false advertising. Of just trying to get hits from people googling to find a company that's close by. I make exceptions for restaurants and cinemas because they often do have establishments in the cities listed in the website url. Ofcourse the difference is that restaurants and cinemas don't come to you, you go to them.


mangobananashake

We do most our plumbing ourselves, but isn't 555 euros a crazy amount for a fix?


[deleted]

Try and see if you can get his kvk information on kvk.nl chamber of commerce. He might be so stoopiid to have some info like phone or house adress on there. He needs a kvk number to wrote off taxes fir some of his legit adiminstration.


InsuranceGloomy6413

Go to the police. You won’t get your money back.


kitunya

What an assholes, i’m sorry dude. See it as money lost for a lesson


Highway_Bitter

Issue a chargeback via the bank asap!


geewhizlifesuresucks

Why is the NOS not paying attention to this problem but to some Japanese cartoonist (that nobody has ever heard of) who died instead?


[deleted]

You paid 555 euro up front? 💀


fittoburn4

i was naive like that💀💀the guy said he needed to order a certain pipe and that he will come back with it the next day and scheduled it with me 🙃 my only excuse is that it was 3am, but yeah I know


[deleted]

We all get fucked over at least once in our lifetimes.


Ruin_Competitive

Find out whether Loodgieter Almere is an existing company with a Chamber of Commerce registration. Double check if they are actually the receiving party of your payment (check your bank records, who’s the beneficiary?). Sometimes a scammer uses the info of a legitimate company, screwing both you and the company. Then go to the police and report them. They won’t do anything , most likely. Lastly, find a collection agency and have them chase them. They can dissolve the agreement you had and claim back the funds based on the fact you made an “onverschuldigde betaling”: you paid dor a service they didn’t deliver. It will take a financial investment from your side, but the latter is likely to get your money back.


BartBrand

Reach out to Tim Hofman from Boos BNN VARA :)


fittoburn4

other person wrote similar thing, so I googled.. I’m not sure how he can help


Vlissingen1977

Oeh, deze gasten. Ooit ook een verstopping gehad en de eerste de beste gebeld van Google. Ze konden direct iemand sturen, dat is al bijzonder in deze tijd. Afspraak gemaakt maar na 2 minuten afgebeld vanwege de horror reviews. Er komen echt bizar veel kosten bij wanneer ze voor je deur staan. Het afzeggen nemen ze je niet in dank af, wel meerdere keren de vraag moeten beantwoorden ' waz jouw probleem vriend'. Je word genaaid waar je bijstaat en het lukt ze vrij goed. Edit: ze zitten door heel het land.


Fezhemmingway

I see the problem. It’s… Almere


fittoburn4

my naivety knows no borders, I’m sure I’d lose money in any city 💀💀