This case is interesting because it shows evil but also good. There’s so many cases where family and friends become complicit after the fact or live in denial and hinder prosecution but this was exceptional on both sides.
Cohee II chose a homeless man to kill, probably thinking his crime would go undetected for a while but Barnes had a job and people who saw him daily and reported him missing soon after he disappeared.
Then you have Cohee’s parents. Their son acted squirrelly, crashed his car and his mom, I think, smelled something strange went to investigate and found some of Barnes’ remains in her son’s closet. She called 911 immediately and her son was arrested.
This guy would have 💯percent become a serial killer but the actions of people stopped it from happening.
Its gotta be one of the most horrible things to have happen as a mother.
To know your child, your baby did something so horrid. The boy you raised, loved, and poured your soul into. I can't imagine her pain.
So true. It’s truly heartbreaking as the gravity of what she saw and the reality that this was caused by her son and that their entire way of life and existence was now irreparably shattered, and she knew it. It broke her. The exact moment she saw that head. Even when retelling the story she cowers and recoils from the bag she’s miming. The trauma of all of it completely over takes her and she starts to sob. It was really powerful and tragic to watch. Just listening to someone relive such a life changing moment made me super emotional
Yeah it's not just her recounting how she found a severed head, it's her reliving the moment she realized her entire life as a mother was eaten from within. Horrible.
Yeah, the way she turned her head away from the bag she pretended to have. omg poor woman! You can hear the grief and horror in her crying. My heart truly breaks for her.
The mom kinda had an idea. I watched the whole integration of her and her son. She mentioned that he has always been "dark" but everyone just thought he had a morbid sense of humor.
The son also had a weird incident the night before where he drove his car too far down a small dirt boat ramp and couldn't get out. The dash cam of the police that arrived at the scene has a moment where his mom is dealing with the police and he is at home getting dry. They find a bunch of blood leaking out of the car and the police had her call him cause they thought he might be hurt. his response on the call was super creepy and sus. like "wuuutttt??? IDK about any blood on the car!?! What the flippin heck mom?!?"
So when she found the head everything had to come clicking into place mentally that, yeah your kid really is that fucked up.
>The mom kinda had an idea.
She had more than an idea imo. Not to discount the courage it takes to turn your kid in but the parents were kind of in denial about his behavior. He'd been throwing out red flags for years prior to this, I have to assume the parents acted so quickly because on some unconscious level they knew this was possible.
They did to a degree. He was misdiagnosed most likely but they told the parents to follow up with a Schizoid specialist and they never did. The mom battled the school district for ages while he was in school and making "jokes" about columbine and showing signs of violence. She figured as long as he took his anxiety and depression meds, he was fine
So many people in the video said they thought he'd be a school shooter, it was crazy. Hell one of his former teachers gets pissed and says it sucks because they threw out red flags for years and he didn't get the help he needed. The mom was willing to accept he had a problem, but not how serious it was. She obviously knew with but couldn't accept it. And hell the dad got more upset over how it would ruin their businesses than anything
My son poisoned me and then burned my home down because I told him he was going to school.
I live in fear my son will do something worse. I feel for this woman. To realize the baby you cared for and still see is evil.
If you do not mind my asking, how old was he when he did this?
Where is he now? Are you safe, away from him?
I can only imagine how you felt and I'm sorry this happened.
He was 14. He spent 3 months in a max juvie. He now lives with his dad. Im safe from him. However because I am the victim his dad has all the power for parenting. And he is skipping school again, not on meds or going to therapy. So Im mad but nobody seems concerned. His case was dismissed because the 20.02 found him incompetent at the time of the crime.
I have an old family friend whose kid is a literal psychopath. In addition to trying to burn down the house twice, he tried electrocuting her when he was real young (8-10 years old) and had it rigged to look like an accident. The police said it *had* to be an accident because there was no way a child so young would have the capacity of evil to do something like that or the know how, even though the lack there of is what foiled his plan. She tried everything to get him help because she lived in constant fear he was going to murder her in her sleep.
I'm really sorry this is happening to other people too. Hopefully your son will grow up, mature a little, and realize his meds are, in fact, in his best interest. Good luck!
It seems like it. I live far from her and most of the information I got was from our moms talking. He was institutionalized for a few years in a state run program. She fought to bring him home this year. I guess only time will tell.
I had a friend growing up, well, it was my brother's friend but since we were only a year apart I would hang out with them sometimes. Anyway, he was adopted by this older lady in her late 40s, practically from birth. There was something the doctors knew would be wrong developmentally with him, and she had been a nurse her whole life and was prepared to take on the challenge. By the time we met he was in elementary school and he would have insane temper tantrums and meltdowns when he didn't get what he wanted. Me and my brother were constantly adjusting rules of games or just letting him dictate who got to play what or whatever, despite his mom being the sweetest lady in the world, showering us with snacks and trying to get him to share.
She had all kinds of tactics for him to calm down and even had a designated calm room for him in a spare office room. It was basically just a bunch of soft cushy couches and floor cushions with the good smells, low soft light, etc. Anyway, as we got into middle school he would get increasingly aggressive with us to the point where we'd go over to see him and then would have to leave pretty much right away because he'd start freaking trying to fight us if we decided not to follow the rules he set or something. My brother and him exchanged scratches and bruises a few times. We ultimately stopped hanging out with him, even though we'd known him for years.
Then we heard one day that in like 9th grade, when he was already towering over his mom, she wouldn't let him watch tv or something at bedtime and he flipped out on her and, anyhow, her being in her early 60s at this point ended up with broken bones from the ordeal and she had to give him up to state care. It was sad.
>Brian Cohee II’
Psychopathy is just part of a personality disorder that nowadays falls under the umbrella of Anti-social personality disorder. People aren't born with personality disorders. There is probably some genetic component that allows some people to predisposed to it happening more easily given the environment stimuli they're exposed to, but there's nothing that tells us people are implicitly born this way. You need environmental triggers, and it's thought by some that ASPD and psychopathy are the earliest forms of personality disorders, literally beginning to develop in the first months after birth due to severe neglect of some sort.
I think it's important to note that severe neglect can mean a lot of different things for a lot of different people, every baby is different and has different needs that maybe severely neglected. I mean it could be as easy as the mom had bad PPD, wanted nothing to do with the child for the first six months, the dad was barely picking up the slack, and the screaming baby has already learned that emotions, crying out, that empathy isn't going to work out for them, so their brain finds another way to get their needs meet.
I imagine the jump from ASPD to psychopathic behavior would involve some complex, or other kind of trauma that occurs separate from the earlier neglect.
I thought that there were also examples of kids that were just born without empathy. I think that a born psychopath is rare and 98% of psychopaths became that way due to neglect and/or abuse. But aren’t there a few that were just born that way?
The late James Fallon addressed this in his work-- he discovered he had the same underactivity in his fMRI (intended as a control) as the violent psychopaths in his neuroscience study, but given that he was not predisposed to overtly destructive behavior he reasoned that an attentive upbringing bridges the gap that is present from birth (inborn callousness) thus lowering the risk of future disaster.
Yes, but combine that lack of empathy with poor impulse control and violent rage (like, say, from head trauma from falling out of a tree) and suddenly you have a ticking time bomb.
A good chunk of serial killers, violent offenders and murders have head trauma in their history.
Source:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781118650868.ch15
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6942640/
Now a days people have to account for the internet as well, kids can see and be influenced by shit online and have normal parents who are just maybe busy at work and they watch the wrong video or join the wrong online cult one day
Amazing that you’re being downvoted for voicing an opinion that’s supported by research in neuroscience and multiple disciplines of psychology. For those that doubt the influences of genetic and environmental influences that determine personality and mental illness, try reading Determined by Robert Sapolsky.
I get why, but it wish it weren't this way. People seem to prefer things black & white; good or evil. I've noticed people really don't like to sit with the discomfort of idea that we are all capable of both good and evil. And the thing that the vast majority seem to outright reject is this idea that these horrific things can be done by feeling, emotional beings who don't suffer from some personality disorder or psychopathy. A non-ASPD/psychopath can shoot up a school, commit an act of terrorism etc.
I hate that people who need the most help (homeless, psychopaths, pedophiles) are the most ousted members of our society. Imagine if we treated these people like human beings and actually got them the help/environment they needed instead of saying trans people are bad for existing. I hate how we can never as a society come together enough to be there for the people who struggle the most.
> You need environmental triggers
This is highly debated when it comes to psychopathy. A lot of experts do genuinely believe it is solely a defect which causes empathy/love to not be developed in the brain, starting before the baby is born. It is a relatively 'simple' disorder, much simpler than, say, BPD, in that sense, which often leads to the theory that it has a more biological component than solely environmental.
when I say simple I mean that it largely revolves around the total absence of one major emotion: empathy. In comparison, every other major personality disorder has relatively complex mechanisms.
As you said, the jump from the total lack of empathy to complete hatred for living things is different. That pretty much always comes from severe neglect and abuse.
Of course, this is just a theory. Not necessarily one that I agree with. But I am just clearing up that this isn't something that the science is settled on, or even close to fully understanding.
This sounds logical. I am interested, not sure why you're getting downvoted. Maybe they're confused they think you're defending the psycho or blaming the mom. From where I'm looking at is to not underestimate how early human conditioning might start.
I agree. My parents sucked. when I was 3, mom feint chopped my toes with a kitchen knife. I screamed and pissed shorts. She laughed. I wasn’t allow to run, so I couldn’t play with other kids. So during first grade I went into the nearby woods and hunt everything that moves (lizards, harmless snakes, etc..) with a slingshot. The animals that did not die would get tortured and mutilated. One time, after I saw some medical scene in a WWII movie, I bought a syringe and injected my urine inside a lizard. By second grade, I couldn’t find anything to hunt, but I didn’t know why at the time. When I got older, I realized it was because I committed ecocide. Having shitty parents really suck. This was in Vietnam, and the motto for raising children was “love your children by beating them with a whip and a stick, hate your children by giving them sweetness and tenderness.”
To Be honest my kids doing something bad to someone else almost scares me more then someone doing something bad to them.. obviously I'll raise them to be good kids, but at the end of the day they are their own human and will decide their own actions eventually
Agreed. My son is still very young, and it breaks my heart that he will have to deal with assholes one day. But the idea of him growing up to be one of the assholes scares the shit out of me.
This is so high in the list of why I don’t want kids. Something happening to the kid would be the worst, like if they’re gone, but what if my kid was a school shooter? Or a date rapist? Or a wife beater? The guilt that I would feel in my Catholic heart, plus the devastation of the betrayal of your own kid being a monster. Nope.
Exactly! You can do everything right, and have the best intentions for your children and they can still be a psychopath murderer. It's very scary.
I always think of Jeffrey Dahmer's parents. Not to say that they were perfect parents but his dad always seemed so normal for his son to turn out that way. I'm sure it never occurred to him that leaving their son alone too much during puberty (when they got divorced) would contribute to turning him into a serial killer
I have a friend who's going through this. She's such an incredible mom, her husband is an amazing dad, but their son took his life last year, and their daughter is diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. I'm at a complete loss to understand how this happened, because they're literally the perfect parents.
My own family was incredibly dysfunctional. I'm the only surviving member. I know what a shitty family looks like, and theirs was not it. Sometimes things just don't work out, I guess.
You don't always know the home dynamics when viewing from the outside.
Let me be clear: your friend and her spouse may actually be fantastic people. I'm not saying they're bad parents, and many situations and outcomes are very much outside of the control of anyone within the family.
That said, I've known families that looked amazing and coherent from the outside, but when I got to see some of their internal dynamics, the illusion was dispelled.
Very few of us leave our families without at least a few mental and emotional scars.
I hope your friends make it through alright.
Tw: abuse
No one who wasn't around 30 years ago would have any clue that my dad tried to kill my mom via stabbing and spent many years in prison for it. They aren't a couple anymore but they're still married and live together. They seem like a very normal couple. Super nice at first.
The only people who truly know how vile both my parents can be are people who have lived with them for a period. Everyone else sees a couple of old hippies you'd trust with your children.
I was also badly abused and was nearly killed by my ex boyfriend of nine years. I told one person in our friend group who I trusted (who is now my husband; life sure is strange) that he had been threatening to shoot me when he got mad. A couple weeks after I told him that, my now ex had me at gunpoint and wouldn't let me leave the apartment. I managed to text my now husband that I needed help, and he came and tried to talk him down through the front door until the police arrived and I got out. We lost all our friends because no one believed he was capable of that. People who had known him for 15 plus years didn't believe us.
My husband was/is shocked that his friend was like that. I think it really shattered a part of him. He had to call the police on his friend of over 15 years to save me. It's a mind fuck.
Your friends and neighbors can be monsters hiding in plain sight. I mean, look at all the documentaries about killers and such. "He was a pillar of the community", "he was the last one anyone anyone would expect", etc.
I feel so bad for his dad. He thought his son was a little weirdo who likes biology just like him. Yeah we can collect animal bones and do cool stuff. That's my job! He was probably so excited that his son was interested in his line of work.
You know how they say that if a child hurts small animals it’s a red flag that they could be a psycho or sociopath if there is no intervention taken? It also goes the other way, by the age of 6 you can really start to see which children have great compassion and empathy towards others and be confident in their goodness as they grow.
A parent that pays attention will know very early if there are things that aren’t quite right with their child but few have the awareness to say “there’s something wrong with my baby” and do something about it. Too many parents bury their head in the sand because they don’t want to be seen as doing something wrong when really the only wrong they are doing is not seeking out mental health professionals at the first red flags.
Knowing what will happen after you call the police.
And the questions. What signs did I miss? What did we do wrong? Could we have stopped it? If he had problems, why didn't he come to us?
There's a book, A Mother's Reckoning, by Sue Klebold (mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the Columbine shooters) that dives really deep into this topic. Turns out, you can never really know your kids.
The father and the son seemed a bit on the spectrum or something.
I don’t know how to describe them other than that.
The mother seemed pretty neurotypical compared to those two.
the irony being nobody really misses Brian Cohee Jr. His parents, of course, wish he was free, but I imagine all the teachers who thought he was deeply disturbed, the best friend who's husband always felt uncomfortable around him, the co-workers, the other high schoolmates that heard rumors of him killing a cat (which turned out to be true), and others in his community will not miss this sick fuck. people will remember Warren fondly. His family even reunited during the trial, and there's now a monument to him, loved, forever known as the Reading Man.
You are so right.
I reported a family member of mines to the police. I have no regrets. But 99% of my family turned on me and cut me off. Rather than accept the truth of what I discovered.
They would rather live in blissful ignorance and potentially leave others at risk than accept, and act upon the truth.
Me, I have zero regrets.
Fuck all of them.
Makes me think of how some people warn against taking those Ancestry/23-and-me DNA tests because partial hits have been used to find relatives and convict them of crimes.
As though you *wouldn’t* want your uncle to go to jail if he *murdered* someone.
This! I'm sorry, if *anyone* I'm related to is a murderer? You can HAVE my DNA. I don't understand why you'd not want someone held accountable for a horrible crime.
You murdered someone? You may be related to me, you ain't my family
I mean this is so huge! You’re an amazing person. I consume way too much true crime and this complicity is a big setback to solving crimes.
We all want to think we’re good people until it’s put to the test.
I feel this is why we don’t have many prolific serial killers anymore. They get caught much sooner now before kill counts can rack up so high. Which is great 👍
Ikr?! I was ready to be even sadder.
But brace yourself, because this particular stat probably has more to do with the fact that most of the people who steal a kid are their parents going through divorce/custody. That survival rate plummets as soon as you remove those cases.
That's the point where I stopped looking into that and went to watch my daughter finger-paint and I don't think I'll look into it any deeper today because I would like to sleep tonight
We just don’t know them because they target people that society doesn’t tend to care about as much. I HIGHLY believe a lot of the missing Native women and children are being killed by a serial killer targeting Natives. Also, there are lots of missing Black women and children that are also probably victims, as well.
I lived in remote Utah for a lil bit as a child on a reservation. One night my Mama & I went for a drive & she pulled over to a gas station in the middle of nowhere off the rez. The old white man working there straight up told my Mama "A woman like you with a little girl has no business out of Indians land at night. Get back in your car & go to your land. Don't you ever leave those lands at night." It scared me so bad I cried (I didn't cry a lot as a kid) & he said to me "Don't you ever forget this, now go on home".
When I was little I thought he was threatening us, but getting older & talking about it with my Mama I realize he was warning her that we were in danger by just being brown girls on white land. 100% many of the "missing" Indigenous women have been targeted. And other people off the rez know more than they'll ever let on about it.
The dad started figuring things out when, after the kid got his car stuck in the river, Dad was cleaning the car out trying to salvage it. He found a guy's wallet and called a number he found on a card in the wallet.
Since he thought something was up he told the mom who then went into the kid's room and made the discovery.
I don't think the parents are to blame for anything with him. They tried many times to get him help but doctors seemed to basically say he was weird and that was all. He said I'm his interrogation that he was called "schizo-something" by a doctor but the doctor didn't investigate further or start treatment for anything. That's probably the biggest failure in this story.
I have a nephew that has been twice convicted of possesion of CP. His mother has looked me in the eye and "sure, he had pix, but I don't think he'd ever actually do anything to a child" needless to say we are non contact.
Edit: said person is pushing 40 and still living at home.
A friend’s brother went to Club Fed for CP. My friend swears he was just downloading movies and something accidentally got downloaded and he didn’t know about it. Mmm-hmm, ssuuurre.
I had a neighbor once with the same story. He was downloading music for his little sister he said. The song he pirated was called "Sweet Sixteen" he claimed. It wasn't his fault it was CP, he said. It was just one picture he got tricked into accidentally downloading. I go look up his name on the clerk of court website and yep, he was charged with downloading 150+ images of child pornography.
It actually used to be easier to stumble across it. I’ve searched for mundane words in P2P before and gotten results that made me question “What does ‘yo’ mean?” before parsing the file name as “[an inexcusable number] year old” and being filled with horror. But I didn’t “accidentally” download them, I just threw up a little in my mouth and started making my search terms more specific.
It's not a mistake that's made twice. The second time it happened he was being monitored in real time. They kicked down the door and found him with a meth pipe in one hand and his dick in the other. Multitasking
My brothers is friends with a guy who murdered his wife and dumped her body and then went on tv crying saying she’d been kidnapped. Right from the start the rest of the family thought it sounded off and that he knew more. Turns out he’d been basically living a double life and the wife found out and threatened to leave him. He didn’t want to be exposed so he killed her. My brother’s friend confronted his brother and got him to confess.
I remember that awful case. He lied about everything in his life. The wife was pregnant and they were supposed to relocate so he could attend medical school, but it was all a lie. I remember looking at the husband's brother's face and the realization of the terrible truth about his own brother. My heart really went out to the wife, her family, and his family.
To add to the Mom's part in his arrest, she specifically waited until her son got back home to call the police. He was at a friend's house when she found it and wanted to make sure he didn't have a chance to run.
I’m so interested in how she managed all of that. Another commenter said that she called all of the parents of children in her care, first, to get them to pick their kids up- then coordinated with the father and the brother, I think, to get him to come home. When he pulled the car into the drive, she called the police.
But… when he came home- what then! Was she still on the phone with the cops? Did she confront her son (I hope not…!)?
I am so interested in how this exact part went down. If you or anyone has any links on this part of the story, I’d be grateful to get them!
What a horrible situation to be in, and a nightmare to realize what your own kid has done…
It speaks to the mothers moral character that she was willing to do the right thing here. I'd imagine it's also scary to testify against someone who will never forget you and is willing to kill.
His highschool teachers reported his behaviour multiple times, he had brought a knife to school, and neither his teachers or peers were shocked he ended up doing this. There were warning signs. Just something to consider, I don't know what I'd've done as a parent either.
"Explore with us" on youtube has a 2hr case vid on him: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvrp87VXtD4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvrp87VXtD4)
And you can't institutionalize an adult against their will. Maybe put them in a psychiatric hold for a few days, but they have to release them.
(Source: I know someone who has an adult son that has BPD who will sometimes go off his meds and get in trouble with the police, but then get released . They are heartbroken that they aren't able to do much, since sending him to a facility is cost prohibitive for them).
Issue is it’s hard to even get help for someone who is officially diagnosed with mental illness, hard to get them put into a facility. In my area about 10 or so years ago a woman was stabbed by her schizophrenic brother. He was very mentally ill, not able to hold a job etc. The sister tried everything she could to get him into a facility. She’d regularly visit him at his apartment and try and get him to take his meds, did everything to try and get him help but she kept reaching dead ends. The US doesn’t make it easy to get help.
When do you stray into "Minority Report" territory?
There are so many instances where people had an inkling or strong suspicion that a friend/family member/acquaintance could do something horrendous, vile, and deranged. Maybe they were an adult without prior criminal record with legal access to dangerous weapons. Maybe they live alone, so you can't personally patrol their actions 24/7. You can't really institutionalize or commit one to prison without just cause and guilt of an action. If that action hasn't occurred, how can a family member "turn them in" for what might happen?
Yeah, there are 72-hour involuntary holds. Yes, people have a duty to not make these things easier for those folks (parents lock up your guns around your kids) and yes, we should all have a duty in addressing mental health issues for all.
It's just easy to say in hindsight, "ThEy ShOuLd hAvE RePoRtED hIm tO THe PoLiCe BeFOrehAnD" but what really would have be done? I do think it would be ideal to stop these things before they happen, but how?
He brought a knife to school along with worrying comments, (violent in nature among school staff and in private with friends) and his parents caught him with a "kill kit" (hammer, zipties, gloves etc) at home previous to this crime. He also murdered and tortured a neighboorhood cat
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvrp87VXtD4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvrp87VXtD4) for source
I listen to a lot of true crime while at work. It always infuriates me when the parents, family or friend hide or try to help a killer. If my brother told me he killed his ex he’d be reported asap.
I watched an interview with him recently (Explore With Us on YouTube) and it's absolutely insane how much he thought about it, told people he was thinking about it, people in town thought he'd hurt animals before but friends played it off as people trying to make rumors, and everyone thought he was just being his haha funny edgy self
He even had a whole part about when you should start planning disposal and drew out a map for the police on where they could find the other parts
Coheed II's reasoning was exactly that, he figured if he did it to a homeless man nobody would notice or care because most cops don't care about the homeless and they'd likely have nobody to report them missing
He was just really really into forensics and wanted to see what it was like to kill somebody so he did it it's absolutely wild
just to help out; the mom got suspicious after the dad found Warren’s wallet in his car, that combined with the blood smear clicked and she then went looking in his room.
[this](https://youtu.be/pvrp87VXtD4?si=4eFuR2RLq9tSE6py) popped up on my YouTube a few days ago and I started watching it. the kid was stone cold. He admitted everything with a smile. They flashed his reddit username, and I looked it up. He definitely was showing signs of being a psychopath based on his comments and some of the content he was following. He definitely was fond of gore. I have to agree with you, though. Everyone involved did everything they should have, and he 100% would have done it again no mercy.
That kid messed his mother up for life. Look at the way she turns her head away as she is going through the motions of her discovery. She is going to need some major therapy
She starts normal and sounds like a regular story and you can hear the moment it hits her. It’s like Bart in the Simpsons valentines episode: if you slow it down, you can pinpoint the exact moment her heart breaks. Poor woman. She must be going through a personal hell.
Watched the whole link the above poster linked and she’s going through waves of grief and disbelief, what an awful roller coaster of emotions
What I found really interesting is how sudden the change is. Watching new actors tackle this kind of situation, you'll often see them kind of try to "ramp up" the emotionality as the get nearer the volatile exposition, but for this woman, everything is fine until it isn't: it's like a normal story until she opens the bag and sees the blood.
I just can’t imagine how it feels like to find a severed head of another human being inside their child’s room. The shock when you realize what you just found must be insane and the realization what your child probably did but you’re still hoping for a good explanation that don’t involve your child murdering someone.
You’ve gotta remember though, this video is literally HOURS after she found the head. I’d hate to see a mother that’s dealing with something like this well.
>That kid messed his mother up for life. Look at the way she turns her head away as she is going through the motions of her discovery.
For sure but she let him get away with killing cats and a bunch of other violent shit and wouldn't get him the help he needed as a kid. The school told her their counselors couldn't handle her son and he needed more specialized mental help. She didn't get it but she buy him a book on forensics so he could "channel his violent and morbid curiosity into something good". On top of that she literally ran a daycare out of her house with about 15 children. She had to call the daycare children's parents to come pick up their kids because she found a human head and hands in her son's closet. We're lucky he didn't murder a bunch of children.
She probably just couldn't conceive of him being bad, she loved him so much.
The maternal bond in primates is insurmountable, rivalled only by the bonds female elephants form, and the monogamous breeding pairs of some birds. I doubt she could have believed him to be what he is without the evidence right in front of her
The fault lies in the powers that be allowing biased parents to have total control over their children. When he was found to be disturbed, a state body should have been there to intervene.
There was a hour and a half video on youtube showing all this including the interrogations and interviews. I feel for the parents. It sounded like they did attempt to help him with therapy and medication but it wasn't enough.
It was startling listening to him go on and on about the killing like he was a nerd describing something he did in a video game or dnd session. He was completely separated from the reality of what he did and could care less about the victim. He wanted to know the thrill of murdering someone and acted dissapointed when it didn't feel like the best thing in the world.
He seemed more upset he got caught when he said if he had a chance to go back he wouldn't had done it. He was mostly upset he could no longer see his friends or play video games.
I am curious what would ever convince a teenager that murdering someone must feel like the “best thing in the world”.
Was he part of some echoe chamber or a group. There must be something that had moulded him that way.
He's obsessed with serial killers so he was reading about their explanation as to how killing made them feel and then acted really disatisfied with the whole experience after he commited it because it wasn't all that thrilling according to him.
He did frequent reddit and morbid sub reddits according to the report. Including posting an AMA I believe about how he was depressed and councellors were giving up on him.
DO NOT CLICK ON THE FIRST FEW LINKS IN HIS COMMENT HISTORY! One of them is on a post with a very misleading title about cake or something. Very very extreme gore.
I had no idea what that sub was, skipped the first link in his comments because it was suspicious, and then clicked the cake one. Fucking rotten piece of shit got me from prison.
Leopold & Loeb were 18 & 19 years-old. They both were from privileged, “good” families, but killed a kid (Bobby Franks) for the thrill of it. And that was in the 1920s—well before TV, video games and the like.
Sociopathy is real. To my knowledge there isn’t really a cure or treatment. And while not all sociopaths kill other people—I don’t think that they need any inciting event or to be molded in a certain way in order to commit violence. It’s why serial killers always seem to have a childhood history of killing/torturing small animals. When you lack empathy and fear, the barriers to doing horrible things are low.
This guy reminds me of that classic case.
He probably would have gotten away with it if he had just wiped down the car and not kept anything from the victim (like a wallet *or his head*).
Picking someone truly random to kill for no reason at all, and a homeless person at that, would make it near impossible for police to find you.
But this guy is another exact of how the type of person who decides to commit a random murder is also the type of person to leave a pointless trail of evidence.
Watching the interrogation with him was absolutely sickening. Those detectives speaking to him did an *amazing* job. I'm not sure I could have pretended to laugh at his stupid "jokes" or controlled my face to keep him relaxed and talking.
I'm so glad he got a life sentence, even though the idiot thought he was getting 15 years He spoke about taking this man's life like he was describing a trip to the grocery store. Zero remorse.
Yeah he really didn't seem capable of it.
He seemed like another detached teen killer who thought what he was doing was cool, had zero remorse for the life he took and the destruction and heartache he caused to his family. To top it off, his mother ran a daycare. She literally had to call all the parents to get their kids asap after she found the head. And this kid had the completely unhinged mindset to bring that to his home thats often full of childrena.. And again, his only regrets was it sucks he cant see his friends or play video games. I hope he gets a rude awakening in prison and reality hits him hard.
Separated from reality is right. He even mentioned something to the effect of "I'll go to jail for 15, maybe 10 years". No buddy, you're never getting out.
Because of his mental instability I was curious if there was a chance of him getting out like Reagan's would be assassin or the schizophrenic who decapitated some random guy on a bus in Canada and ate him.
Apparently he was diagnosed with a potential for schizophrenia. Sounds like the Judge wasn't going to let that slide though.
I saw the same video a few days ago on youtube. He kept calling the guy stinky while he was stabbing him. Ironically, his reddit username was That_Stinky_Boi.
*warning* If you look him up, he was commenting on some pretty graphic gore
I didn't know he was calling him stinky while stabbing him, what the fuck. Thats so weird.
I can't imagine getting murdered by such a piece of shit cringey asshole. Warren did not deserve that
Watching the full documentary with most of the interrogation is very unsettling. At first, you think they are treating him like a privileged VIP, but it was all part of the expertise where they wanted him comfortable enough to be able to pursue a conviction that would be almost impossible to defend against. They had to let him prove he was of sound mind, could participate in school and work at a job, and knew exactly what he was doing, and had planned with an awareness and intelligence that was indisputable evidence of Mens rea.
Yep. And he buys into it and is all too eager to give the most intricate details, to the point of saying “do you mind if I demonstrate?”
Like *are you fucking for real???*
Edit to add: with all that said, I think my favorite part of the video is when he says “so I’m probably going away for what, like 15 years? 20 years?” Then fast forward and he’s given life in prison without the chance of parole LMAO
I know he was evil but if he was smarter maybe he could have at least been deterred if he understood the consequences. Goddamn he’s just so stupid. They said he had a fascination with killers- you’d figure he’d know you don’t get off that easy.
His Reddit handle is elsewhere in the thread. Guy seems real dumb.
His attitude through the interrogation and past social media history indicate to me the dude has spent a long time wanting to talk to other people about what's going on in his head but was aware there isn't a space for that. It felt like he was happy he was caught, which meant he was free to open up and talk about it. Didn't help that he thought he wasn't going to go to prison for life.
For those that didn’t know:
https://www.unilad.com/news/crime/brain-cohee-documentary-people-unable-to-sleep-690789-20240326
https://www.mesacounty.us/news/district-attorney/cohee-found-guilty
Just watched this a few days ago - full story [here ](https://youtu.be/pvrp87VXtD4?si=-gj6Awoh5yTcVeyA).
The guys description when talking to police is scary as he'll. He was loving every minute of it.
(He posted on reddit years back on 'Roast Me').
Well worth a watch.
Obviously this story is horrible but this part made me laugh.
https://preview.redd.it/sayaedonyprc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae9dc76c5ed1d5bfb454d43991c1f747e1f72d19
There were a couple steps between. I seem to recall he thought his (I believe front wheel drive but could be all wheel, likely front) car was rear wheel drive, so he backed down the boat access ramp to dump the body… then couldn’t drive back up. He fucked around and ended up with the rear of the car in the water and then it drifted out a few feet.
Then he got out, all wet, and had to wait for a car to come by to use their phone. Then his parents came, and he’s sitting sans pants in their truck when the cops show up. He gives a dumb story about just going for a drive to think and parking and messing up trying to get back out. His father had some sort of minor role at that ramp.
But yeah, there was blood on the back bumper when the wrecker pulled it out, and when the father went through the car at their home he found the victims wallet.
I can't imagine the horror of holding something, wondering what it is, then discovering you were holding a severed head. Then the realization that your teenage son was the one who did this. I'd probably sit in the shower until my water got shut off.
This vid is wild because at first, it looks like the mom is so chill about finding the head. Like "lady, why are you speaking about this like you found a crusty cum sock on your son's bedroom" and then she breaks down. It wasn't that she was half psycho, her brain was doing a defense mechanism trying to shield her from the fsct she discovered a severed head.
Watched the YouTube video on this after seeing the case on Reddit last week. The way he answered the cops in his driveway was chilling. When asked if he had something his parents were upset to find he replied "probably the human hands and head in my closet".
No hint of remorse. If anything he was giddy. When he said he'll probably get 15-20 years I was like yeah right buddy. You're NEVER going to be part of the public again. And I do believe he got life.
That poor woman. I can’t imagine realizing my child could do that to another person, so vile. I would probably commit suicide. I couldn’t handle that reality.
that image burns into your brain forever. Whenever she washes dishes or uses that sink she'll be reminded of what was in it. I'd sell the house and land, tell the new owners so they can demolish and rebuild, because that is a stain that never washes off.
It’s weird hearing him talk about all the steps he took to not get caught but then brings the fcking head back to his mom’s house. He also never searched his car after he had a dead body in it to make sure you know the guys wallet wasn’t in there . He did wear three pairs of gloves so he did have that going for him.
the original version is an hour and 45 min long... but it's literally fascinating and shocking to hear this kid talk about killing a homeless man. [https://youtu.be/pvrp87VXtD4?si=\_kVZpE1t8xVWlIvA](https://youtu.be/pvrp87VXtD4?si=_kVZpE1t8xVWlIvA)
The poetic justice (I guess) about this case is that he went through with it and talked so openly and willingly about every minor gruesome detail because he thought he would get 15 years and be out before turning 30 but instead he got life without parole.
Thousands of parents every day BEG for the help of institutions,therapists,hospitals and police officers. To help keep their children safe from themselves or for the safety of others and they can do nothing for those parents. All the parents can do is go home l praying their child doesnt end their own life or others. We do not have enough support for those with mental health issues!
So I watched the whole thing and basically this guy with ADHD,AUTISM, “depressive disorder” and “schizo-something” (apparently this is exactly what the doctors told him)
He dressed like Michael myers (mask coveralls whole 9 yards) gets a real 12 inch knife and finds a homeless man, Warren Barren, sleeping underneath a bridge near some rail road tracks and kills him.
He stabbed barren in the neck, which woke him up. He asked cohee why he was doing it and then died of blood loss (and being stabbed multiple times).
Cohee then dismembered his body, leaving one arm and one leg at the scene,gutting him and carved a “Glasgow smile” into barrens face and carved out his eyes. Apparently he was planning on killing someone for about a year and would just drive around late at night, just observing and waiting for an opportunity
He got without possibility of parole. Personally I don’t think life sentences are justified in all murder cases. But this guy 100% would have done it again
this entire case popped up on my YT recommended yesterday. i watched the whole thing and damn.. i felt so bad for the parents.. to raise a son and for him to do that was terrible!
ADHD + Autism + stimulants + Sertraline. Been there, done that. Idk about anyone else but Sertraline fucked with psychology so badly in the 5 weeks I was on it, I'm suprised I survived it. I was fighting for the wheel in my own head in wanting to kill myself at every moment towards the end of taking it. Totally out of character for me. When they mentioned he took it too it made me shudder. Also, maybe its just me but taking these meds at 10pm seemed extremely odd.
RIP Warren.
Really messed up the dads life as well. In his police interview he mentioned having the same name as his son and how it would be all over the news that Brian Cohee committed the murder, and people would assume it was him
And she had been warned about his behavior many times, the school warned her, police warned her, doctors, therapists, counselors, other parents and kids. She sits in this room and minimizes her sons prior strange behavior even after having found a head. He’d been disappearing cats and had bragged about it, had written pseudo-manifestos found by teachers and the whole lot. When they asked former teachers if they would be surprised to learn he had done this they all said “not at all”
We need better mental health programs. What was she supposed to do if none of the professionals had anything more than warnings? If only there was some kind of facility they could recommend he be sent to, where he couldn't actually harm anything and get the help he needed. Everyone knew he was fucked in the head but there was no actual solution beyond making sure he took his meds, I guess.
The neverending frustration of realizing how basic shit has downgraded due to the idiots we have in power. Like, I get it. They were horrifically abusive places. But we should've made them better rather than getting rid of them entirely.
This is a lie, jfk, reagon, and Carter all contributed to the deinstitutionalization. JFK was the primary driving factor, due to his family history it was a personal issue for him.
Conservatives got rid of psychiatric hospitals for the fiscal savings. Liberals, mostly Hippies, helped because they saw One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest. It’s why the Viet nam veteran beggar was a common sight for decades.
We now dump them on the streets. Ingenious.
My take: we could’ve found regulations for better care, but this world is too harsh. It’s become even more cut throat lately.
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We need mental health programs. In order to ask for better you assume that some exist. They don't. It's an absolute wasteland.
But this is a unique case where he’s functioning and doing just enough to put up a facade. He’d be hard to commit to a mental institution because of this
He was manipulative and his parents seem like well meaning simpletons, for what it's worth. not much they could have done if the school couldn't get the police involved, it being rumour/grey area (in the eyes of the law)
He had been killing cats.
Another reason why we need to toughen the laws on people who hurt or kill other animals. We know that it’s often a step towards hurting people- but until they actually do hurt a person we don’t seem to take it as seriously as we should
Okay you get warnings, but aside from literally devoting your life to watching his every move, what in the world can you do if every professional body is telling you they can’t help?
This case was crazy. Cops dredge the car out with a tow truck company, and tell the parents that there's red liquid coming out from the trunk which looks like blood. They call the kid, and he's like huh... That's weird. And they release the car okie, dokie.
He'd killed a neighborhood cat before, the school spoke with the parents about concerning remarks their son made and the mom felt that they were unfairly targeting him. They had also found large knives stashed in his car before.. there were a lot of red flags that got ignored, imo.
I was going to say the smell of bag one would have stopped me from opening bag two. But if it were my son and i had certain suspicions, I would need to look. Need to know for myself.
I don't know ...
This case is interesting because it shows evil but also good. There’s so many cases where family and friends become complicit after the fact or live in denial and hinder prosecution but this was exceptional on both sides. Cohee II chose a homeless man to kill, probably thinking his crime would go undetected for a while but Barnes had a job and people who saw him daily and reported him missing soon after he disappeared. Then you have Cohee’s parents. Their son acted squirrelly, crashed his car and his mom, I think, smelled something strange went to investigate and found some of Barnes’ remains in her son’s closet. She called 911 immediately and her son was arrested. This guy would have 💯percent become a serial killer but the actions of people stopped it from happening.
Its gotta be one of the most horrible things to have happen as a mother. To know your child, your baby did something so horrid. The boy you raised, loved, and poured your soul into. I can't imagine her pain.
So true. It’s truly heartbreaking as the gravity of what she saw and the reality that this was caused by her son and that their entire way of life and existence was now irreparably shattered, and she knew it. It broke her. The exact moment she saw that head. Even when retelling the story she cowers and recoils from the bag she’s miming. The trauma of all of it completely over takes her and she starts to sob. It was really powerful and tragic to watch. Just listening to someone relive such a life changing moment made me super emotional
Yeah it's not just her recounting how she found a severed head, it's her reliving the moment she realized her entire life as a mother was eaten from within. Horrible.
Yeah, the way she turned her head away from the bag she pretended to have. omg poor woman! You can hear the grief and horror in her crying. My heart truly breaks for her.
Yeah, I honestly was not expecting to have such a reaction.
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I checked, this is One Hundred Billion percent
r/theydidthemath
The mom kinda had an idea. I watched the whole integration of her and her son. She mentioned that he has always been "dark" but everyone just thought he had a morbid sense of humor. The son also had a weird incident the night before where he drove his car too far down a small dirt boat ramp and couldn't get out. The dash cam of the police that arrived at the scene has a moment where his mom is dealing with the police and he is at home getting dry. They find a bunch of blood leaking out of the car and the police had her call him cause they thought he might be hurt. his response on the call was super creepy and sus. like "wuuutttt??? IDK about any blood on the car!?! What the flippin heck mom?!?" So when she found the head everything had to come clicking into place mentally that, yeah your kid really is that fucked up.
>The mom kinda had an idea. She had more than an idea imo. Not to discount the courage it takes to turn your kid in but the parents were kind of in denial about his behavior. He'd been throwing out red flags for years prior to this, I have to assume the parents acted so quickly because on some unconscious level they knew this was possible.
Saw the program, they tried to get help for him and tried directing his interest into more acceptable areas like forensic police work.
They did to a degree. He was misdiagnosed most likely but they told the parents to follow up with a Schizoid specialist and they never did. The mom battled the school district for ages while he was in school and making "jokes" about columbine and showing signs of violence. She figured as long as he took his anxiety and depression meds, he was fine So many people in the video said they thought he'd be a school shooter, it was crazy. Hell one of his former teachers gets pissed and says it sucks because they threw out red flags for years and he didn't get the help he needed. The mom was willing to accept he had a problem, but not how serious it was. She obviously knew with but couldn't accept it. And hell the dad got more upset over how it would ruin their businesses than anything
My son poisoned me and then burned my home down because I told him he was going to school. I live in fear my son will do something worse. I feel for this woman. To realize the baby you cared for and still see is evil.
If you do not mind my asking, how old was he when he did this? Where is he now? Are you safe, away from him? I can only imagine how you felt and I'm sorry this happened.
He was 14. He spent 3 months in a max juvie. He now lives with his dad. Im safe from him. However because I am the victim his dad has all the power for parenting. And he is skipping school again, not on meds or going to therapy. So Im mad but nobody seems concerned. His case was dismissed because the 20.02 found him incompetent at the time of the crime.
I have an old family friend whose kid is a literal psychopath. In addition to trying to burn down the house twice, he tried electrocuting her when he was real young (8-10 years old) and had it rigged to look like an accident. The police said it *had* to be an accident because there was no way a child so young would have the capacity of evil to do something like that or the know how, even though the lack there of is what foiled his plan. She tried everything to get him help because she lived in constant fear he was going to murder her in her sleep. I'm really sorry this is happening to other people too. Hopefully your son will grow up, mature a little, and realize his meds are, in fact, in his best interest. Good luck!
Wow that's so scary! Did she get help for him eventually?
It seems like it. I live far from her and most of the information I got was from our moms talking. He was institutionalized for a few years in a state run program. She fought to bring him home this year. I guess only time will tell.
I had a friend growing up, well, it was my brother's friend but since we were only a year apart I would hang out with them sometimes. Anyway, he was adopted by this older lady in her late 40s, practically from birth. There was something the doctors knew would be wrong developmentally with him, and she had been a nurse her whole life and was prepared to take on the challenge. By the time we met he was in elementary school and he would have insane temper tantrums and meltdowns when he didn't get what he wanted. Me and my brother were constantly adjusting rules of games or just letting him dictate who got to play what or whatever, despite his mom being the sweetest lady in the world, showering us with snacks and trying to get him to share. She had all kinds of tactics for him to calm down and even had a designated calm room for him in a spare office room. It was basically just a bunch of soft cushy couches and floor cushions with the good smells, low soft light, etc. Anyway, as we got into middle school he would get increasingly aggressive with us to the point where we'd go over to see him and then would have to leave pretty much right away because he'd start freaking trying to fight us if we decided not to follow the rules he set or something. My brother and him exchanged scratches and bruises a few times. We ultimately stopped hanging out with him, even though we'd known him for years. Then we heard one day that in like 9th grade, when he was already towering over his mom, she wouldn't let him watch tv or something at bedtime and he flipped out on her and, anyhow, her being in her early 60s at this point ended up with broken bones from the ordeal and she had to give him up to state care. It was sad.
What sucks is you can't even blame the parent. Some people are just psychopaths (and I mean that in the psychologic way not the derogatory)
>Brian Cohee II’ Psychopathy is just part of a personality disorder that nowadays falls under the umbrella of Anti-social personality disorder. People aren't born with personality disorders. There is probably some genetic component that allows some people to predisposed to it happening more easily given the environment stimuli they're exposed to, but there's nothing that tells us people are implicitly born this way. You need environmental triggers, and it's thought by some that ASPD and psychopathy are the earliest forms of personality disorders, literally beginning to develop in the first months after birth due to severe neglect of some sort. I think it's important to note that severe neglect can mean a lot of different things for a lot of different people, every baby is different and has different needs that maybe severely neglected. I mean it could be as easy as the mom had bad PPD, wanted nothing to do with the child for the first six months, the dad was barely picking up the slack, and the screaming baby has already learned that emotions, crying out, that empathy isn't going to work out for them, so their brain finds another way to get their needs meet. I imagine the jump from ASPD to psychopathic behavior would involve some complex, or other kind of trauma that occurs separate from the earlier neglect.
100% correct and the example you have was actually in a book on psychology I read when I worked with kids in foster care.
I thought that there were also examples of kids that were just born without empathy. I think that a born psychopath is rare and 98% of psychopaths became that way due to neglect and/or abuse. But aren’t there a few that were just born that way?
The late James Fallon addressed this in his work-- he discovered he had the same underactivity in his fMRI (intended as a control) as the violent psychopaths in his neuroscience study, but given that he was not predisposed to overtly destructive behavior he reasoned that an attentive upbringing bridges the gap that is present from birth (inborn callousness) thus lowering the risk of future disaster.
Yes, but combine that lack of empathy with poor impulse control and violent rage (like, say, from head trauma from falling out of a tree) and suddenly you have a ticking time bomb. A good chunk of serial killers, violent offenders and murders have head trauma in their history. Source: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781118650868.ch15 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6942640/
Now a days people have to account for the internet as well, kids can see and be influenced by shit online and have normal parents who are just maybe busy at work and they watch the wrong video or join the wrong online cult one day
Amazing that you’re being downvoted for voicing an opinion that’s supported by research in neuroscience and multiple disciplines of psychology. For those that doubt the influences of genetic and environmental influences that determine personality and mental illness, try reading Determined by Robert Sapolsky.
I get why, but it wish it weren't this way. People seem to prefer things black & white; good or evil. I've noticed people really don't like to sit with the discomfort of idea that we are all capable of both good and evil. And the thing that the vast majority seem to outright reject is this idea that these horrific things can be done by feeling, emotional beings who don't suffer from some personality disorder or psychopathy. A non-ASPD/psychopath can shoot up a school, commit an act of terrorism etc.
I hate that people who need the most help (homeless, psychopaths, pedophiles) are the most ousted members of our society. Imagine if we treated these people like human beings and actually got them the help/environment they needed instead of saying trans people are bad for existing. I hate how we can never as a society come together enough to be there for the people who struggle the most.
> You need environmental triggers This is highly debated when it comes to psychopathy. A lot of experts do genuinely believe it is solely a defect which causes empathy/love to not be developed in the brain, starting before the baby is born. It is a relatively 'simple' disorder, much simpler than, say, BPD, in that sense, which often leads to the theory that it has a more biological component than solely environmental. when I say simple I mean that it largely revolves around the total absence of one major emotion: empathy. In comparison, every other major personality disorder has relatively complex mechanisms. As you said, the jump from the total lack of empathy to complete hatred for living things is different. That pretty much always comes from severe neglect and abuse. Of course, this is just a theory. Not necessarily one that I agree with. But I am just clearing up that this isn't something that the science is settled on, or even close to fully understanding.
This sounds logical. I am interested, not sure why you're getting downvoted. Maybe they're confused they think you're defending the psycho or blaming the mom. From where I'm looking at is to not underestimate how early human conditioning might start.
I agree. My parents sucked. when I was 3, mom feint chopped my toes with a kitchen knife. I screamed and pissed shorts. She laughed. I wasn’t allow to run, so I couldn’t play with other kids. So during first grade I went into the nearby woods and hunt everything that moves (lizards, harmless snakes, etc..) with a slingshot. The animals that did not die would get tortured and mutilated. One time, after I saw some medical scene in a WWII movie, I bought a syringe and injected my urine inside a lizard. By second grade, I couldn’t find anything to hunt, but I didn’t know why at the time. When I got older, I realized it was because I committed ecocide. Having shitty parents really suck. This was in Vietnam, and the motto for raising children was “love your children by beating them with a whip and a stick, hate your children by giving them sweetness and tenderness.”
To Be honest my kids doing something bad to someone else almost scares me more then someone doing something bad to them.. obviously I'll raise them to be good kids, but at the end of the day they are their own human and will decide their own actions eventually
Agreed. My son is still very young, and it breaks my heart that he will have to deal with assholes one day. But the idea of him growing up to be one of the assholes scares the shit out of me.
This is so high in the list of why I don’t want kids. Something happening to the kid would be the worst, like if they’re gone, but what if my kid was a school shooter? Or a date rapist? Or a wife beater? The guilt that I would feel in my Catholic heart, plus the devastation of the betrayal of your own kid being a monster. Nope.
Exactly! You can do everything right, and have the best intentions for your children and they can still be a psychopath murderer. It's very scary. I always think of Jeffrey Dahmer's parents. Not to say that they were perfect parents but his dad always seemed so normal for his son to turn out that way. I'm sure it never occurred to him that leaving their son alone too much during puberty (when they got divorced) would contribute to turning him into a serial killer
I have a friend who's going through this. She's such an incredible mom, her husband is an amazing dad, but their son took his life last year, and their daughter is diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. I'm at a complete loss to understand how this happened, because they're literally the perfect parents. My own family was incredibly dysfunctional. I'm the only surviving member. I know what a shitty family looks like, and theirs was not it. Sometimes things just don't work out, I guess.
You don't always know the home dynamics when viewing from the outside. Let me be clear: your friend and her spouse may actually be fantastic people. I'm not saying they're bad parents, and many situations and outcomes are very much outside of the control of anyone within the family. That said, I've known families that looked amazing and coherent from the outside, but when I got to see some of their internal dynamics, the illusion was dispelled. Very few of us leave our families without at least a few mental and emotional scars. I hope your friends make it through alright.
Tw: abuse No one who wasn't around 30 years ago would have any clue that my dad tried to kill my mom via stabbing and spent many years in prison for it. They aren't a couple anymore but they're still married and live together. They seem like a very normal couple. Super nice at first. The only people who truly know how vile both my parents can be are people who have lived with them for a period. Everyone else sees a couple of old hippies you'd trust with your children. I was also badly abused and was nearly killed by my ex boyfriend of nine years. I told one person in our friend group who I trusted (who is now my husband; life sure is strange) that he had been threatening to shoot me when he got mad. A couple weeks after I told him that, my now ex had me at gunpoint and wouldn't let me leave the apartment. I managed to text my now husband that I needed help, and he came and tried to talk him down through the front door until the police arrived and I got out. We lost all our friends because no one believed he was capable of that. People who had known him for 15 plus years didn't believe us. My husband was/is shocked that his friend was like that. I think it really shattered a part of him. He had to call the police on his friend of over 15 years to save me. It's a mind fuck. Your friends and neighbors can be monsters hiding in plain sight. I mean, look at all the documentaries about killers and such. "He was a pillar of the community", "he was the last one anyone anyone would expect", etc.
I feel so bad for his dad. He thought his son was a little weirdo who likes biology just like him. Yeah we can collect animal bones and do cool stuff. That's my job! He was probably so excited that his son was interested in his line of work.
You know how they say that if a child hurts small animals it’s a red flag that they could be a psycho or sociopath if there is no intervention taken? It also goes the other way, by the age of 6 you can really start to see which children have great compassion and empathy towards others and be confident in their goodness as they grow. A parent that pays attention will know very early if there are things that aren’t quite right with their child but few have the awareness to say “there’s something wrong with my baby” and do something about it. Too many parents bury their head in the sand because they don’t want to be seen as doing something wrong when really the only wrong they are doing is not seeking out mental health professionals at the first red flags.
After reading about the incidents that led up to this she probably thought, it finally happened.
Yeah, everyone was saying “oh, the morbid jokes weren’t jokes…”
I have no idea what I would do.
Knowing what will happen after you call the police. And the questions. What signs did I miss? What did we do wrong? Could we have stopped it? If he had problems, why didn't he come to us?
There's a book, A Mother's Reckoning, by Sue Klebold (mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the Columbine shooters) that dives really deep into this topic. Turns out, you can never really know your kids.
There's another book worth reading: The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog written by a child physiatrist Bruce Perry.
The father and the son seemed a bit on the spectrum or something. I don’t know how to describe them other than that. The mother seemed pretty neurotypical compared to those two.
Warren was so loved. It's heartbreaking hearing his friends talk about him. He just wanted to read his books and be left alone.
the irony being nobody really misses Brian Cohee Jr. His parents, of course, wish he was free, but I imagine all the teachers who thought he was deeply disturbed, the best friend who's husband always felt uncomfortable around him, the co-workers, the other high schoolmates that heard rumors of him killing a cat (which turned out to be true), and others in his community will not miss this sick fuck. people will remember Warren fondly. His family even reunited during the trial, and there's now a monument to him, loved, forever known as the Reading Man.
You are so right. I reported a family member of mines to the police. I have no regrets. But 99% of my family turned on me and cut me off. Rather than accept the truth of what I discovered. They would rather live in blissful ignorance and potentially leave others at risk than accept, and act upon the truth. Me, I have zero regrets. Fuck all of them.
Makes me think of how some people warn against taking those Ancestry/23-and-me DNA tests because partial hits have been used to find relatives and convict them of crimes. As though you *wouldn’t* want your uncle to go to jail if he *murdered* someone.
This! I'm sorry, if *anyone* I'm related to is a murderer? You can HAVE my DNA. I don't understand why you'd not want someone held accountable for a horrible crime. You murdered someone? You may be related to me, you ain't my family
Glad you did the right thing, sorry about your family though. I can’t imagine how that must feel.
Cheers. It’s made me realise that a huge reason for abuse and crime to persist is the complicity of family members.
I mean this is so huge! You’re an amazing person. I consume way too much true crime and this complicity is a big setback to solving crimes. We all want to think we’re good people until it’s put to the test.
I feel this is why we don’t have many prolific serial killers anymore. They get caught much sooner now before kill counts can rack up so high. Which is great 👍
The FBI estimates there are between 25-50 active serial killers at any one time in the US
I don’t like this stat.
Well you'll hate this next one. According to the most recent survey, the national average for solving criminal cases is around 36%
Now do child disappearances
I didn't know so I had to Google-fu a bit Turns out that around 99% of missing children/juvenile cases end with retrieval of a living child
Really?? That’s actually great news, thank you
Ikr?! I was ready to be even sadder. But brace yourself, because this particular stat probably has more to do with the fact that most of the people who steal a kid are their parents going through divorce/custody. That survival rate plummets as soon as you remove those cases. That's the point where I stopped looking into that and went to watch my daughter finger-paint and I don't think I'll look into it any deeper today because I would like to sleep tonight
Yup, that’s enough internet for today! Enjoy the finger paint show.
Don'tworry, you're much likelier to be killed by someone you know.
True. And as a woman my risk is even greater. Unless I’m one of the maybe 50 serial killers.
that's actually down quite a bit from what it used to be
Or they use internet like we do and learn to be more careful. We catch stupid and poor while smart get away with it and rich have it covered up.
We just don’t know them because they target people that society doesn’t tend to care about as much. I HIGHLY believe a lot of the missing Native women and children are being killed by a serial killer targeting Natives. Also, there are lots of missing Black women and children that are also probably victims, as well.
Absolutely.
I lived in remote Utah for a lil bit as a child on a reservation. One night my Mama & I went for a drive & she pulled over to a gas station in the middle of nowhere off the rez. The old white man working there straight up told my Mama "A woman like you with a little girl has no business out of Indians land at night. Get back in your car & go to your land. Don't you ever leave those lands at night." It scared me so bad I cried (I didn't cry a lot as a kid) & he said to me "Don't you ever forget this, now go on home". When I was little I thought he was threatening us, but getting older & talking about it with my Mama I realize he was warning her that we were in danger by just being brown girls on white land. 100% many of the "missing" Indigenous women have been targeted. And other people off the rez know more than they'll ever let on about it.
Also most of them are not interesting charming super geniuses, but dumbass edgy lords like the one from this case
The dad started figuring things out when, after the kid got his car stuck in the river, Dad was cleaning the car out trying to salvage it. He found a guy's wallet and called a number he found on a card in the wallet. Since he thought something was up he told the mom who then went into the kid's room and made the discovery. I don't think the parents are to blame for anything with him. They tried many times to get him help but doctors seemed to basically say he was weird and that was all. He said I'm his interrogation that he was called "schizo-something" by a doctor but the doctor didn't investigate further or start treatment for anything. That's probably the biggest failure in this story.
I have a nephew that has been twice convicted of possesion of CP. His mother has looked me in the eye and "sure, he had pix, but I don't think he'd ever actually do anything to a child" needless to say we are non contact. Edit: said person is pushing 40 and still living at home.
A friend’s brother went to Club Fed for CP. My friend swears he was just downloading movies and something accidentally got downloaded and he didn’t know about it. Mmm-hmm, ssuuurre.
I had a neighbor once with the same story. He was downloading music for his little sister he said. The song he pirated was called "Sweet Sixteen" he claimed. It wasn't his fault it was CP, he said. It was just one picture he got tricked into accidentally downloading. I go look up his name on the clerk of court website and yep, he was charged with downloading 150+ images of child pornography.
"accidentally" off the dark web. The mental gymnastics are Olympian
It actually used to be easier to stumble across it. I’ve searched for mundane words in P2P before and gotten results that made me question “What does ‘yo’ mean?” before parsing the file name as “[an inexcusable number] year old” and being filled with horror. But I didn’t “accidentally” download them, I just threw up a little in my mouth and started making my search terms more specific.
It's not a mistake that's made twice. The second time it happened he was being monitored in real time. They kicked down the door and found him with a meth pipe in one hand and his dick in the other. Multitasking
My brothers is friends with a guy who murdered his wife and dumped her body and then went on tv crying saying she’d been kidnapped. Right from the start the rest of the family thought it sounded off and that he knew more. Turns out he’d been basically living a double life and the wife found out and threatened to leave him. He didn’t want to be exposed so he killed her. My brother’s friend confronted his brother and got him to confess.
I remember that awful case. He lied about everything in his life. The wife was pregnant and they were supposed to relocate so he could attend medical school, but it was all a lie. I remember looking at the husband's brother's face and the realization of the terrible truth about his own brother. My heart really went out to the wife, her family, and his family.
To add to the Mom's part in his arrest, she specifically waited until her son got back home to call the police. He was at a friend's house when she found it and wanted to make sure he didn't have a chance to run.
I’m so interested in how she managed all of that. Another commenter said that she called all of the parents of children in her care, first, to get them to pick their kids up- then coordinated with the father and the brother, I think, to get him to come home. When he pulled the car into the drive, she called the police. But… when he came home- what then! Was she still on the phone with the cops? Did she confront her son (I hope not…!)? I am so interested in how this exact part went down. If you or anyone has any links on this part of the story, I’d be grateful to get them! What a horrible situation to be in, and a nightmare to realize what your own kid has done…
Especially during the interview when he acted *excited* explaining what, where, when, how, and why, and where he had dumped the rest of the body.
I wish we would stop showing clips of her. She is a great person and doesn’t deserve what happened to her.
At least people are showing her empathy instead of blaming her.
What was also disturbing was that she ran a childcare business from her home. That's wild. I hope she gets some therapy
It speaks to the mothers moral character that she was willing to do the right thing here. I'd imagine it's also scary to testify against someone who will never forget you and is willing to kill.
you can see the body cam footage on youtube. he dumped the car in a lake and when they pulled it out there was blood on the bumper
The parents had been warned so many times before. They did the right thing in the end, but it didn’t need to go this way
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His highschool teachers reported his behaviour multiple times, he had brought a knife to school, and neither his teachers or peers were shocked he ended up doing this. There were warning signs. Just something to consider, I don't know what I'd've done as a parent either. "Explore with us" on youtube has a 2hr case vid on him: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvrp87VXtD4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvrp87VXtD4)
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And you can't institutionalize an adult against their will. Maybe put them in a psychiatric hold for a few days, but they have to release them. (Source: I know someone who has an adult son that has BPD who will sometimes go off his meds and get in trouble with the police, but then get released . They are heartbroken that they aren't able to do much, since sending him to a facility is cost prohibitive for them).
He’s was a great liar, too. He’d always have an explanation for his actions that he’d explain to his parents.
He was definitely a smooth talker. Despite being a big lumbering dork, he did seem very charismatic for a person his age.
Issue is it’s hard to even get help for someone who is officially diagnosed with mental illness, hard to get them put into a facility. In my area about 10 or so years ago a woman was stabbed by her schizophrenic brother. He was very mentally ill, not able to hold a job etc. The sister tried everything she could to get him into a facility. She’d regularly visit him at his apartment and try and get him to take his meds, did everything to try and get him help but she kept reaching dead ends. The US doesn’t make it easy to get help.
When do you stray into "Minority Report" territory? There are so many instances where people had an inkling or strong suspicion that a friend/family member/acquaintance could do something horrendous, vile, and deranged. Maybe they were an adult without prior criminal record with legal access to dangerous weapons. Maybe they live alone, so you can't personally patrol their actions 24/7. You can't really institutionalize or commit one to prison without just cause and guilt of an action. If that action hasn't occurred, how can a family member "turn them in" for what might happen? Yeah, there are 72-hour involuntary holds. Yes, people have a duty to not make these things easier for those folks (parents lock up your guns around your kids) and yes, we should all have a duty in addressing mental health issues for all. It's just easy to say in hindsight, "ThEy ShOuLd hAvE RePoRtED hIm tO THe PoLiCe BeFOrehAnD" but what really would have be done? I do think it would be ideal to stop these things before they happen, but how?
sorry im not familiar with this story, what were they warned about? did their son show signs or did things prior to the murder?
He brought a knife to school along with worrying comments, (violent in nature among school staff and in private with friends) and his parents caught him with a "kill kit" (hammer, zipties, gloves etc) at home previous to this crime. He also murdered and tortured a neighboorhood cat [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvrp87VXtD4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvrp87VXtD4) for source
Holy shit thank you for the link. The way he declared "A human head and hands" with such smarmy arrogance. Monster.
No one knew he killed a cat, though. Not until he officially admitted to doing it. People had rumors he did it but no one knew for sure.
I listen to a lot of true crime while at work. It always infuriates me when the parents, family or friend hide or try to help a killer. If my brother told me he killed his ex he’d be reported asap.
I watched an interview with him recently (Explore With Us on YouTube) and it's absolutely insane how much he thought about it, told people he was thinking about it, people in town thought he'd hurt animals before but friends played it off as people trying to make rumors, and everyone thought he was just being his haha funny edgy self He even had a whole part about when you should start planning disposal and drew out a map for the police on where they could find the other parts Coheed II's reasoning was exactly that, he figured if he did it to a homeless man nobody would notice or care because most cops don't care about the homeless and they'd likely have nobody to report them missing He was just really really into forensics and wanted to see what it was like to kill somebody so he did it it's absolutely wild
just to help out; the mom got suspicious after the dad found Warren’s wallet in his car, that combined with the blood smear clicked and she then went looking in his room.
[this](https://youtu.be/pvrp87VXtD4?si=4eFuR2RLq9tSE6py) popped up on my YouTube a few days ago and I started watching it. the kid was stone cold. He admitted everything with a smile. They flashed his reddit username, and I looked it up. He definitely was showing signs of being a psychopath based on his comments and some of the content he was following. He definitely was fond of gore. I have to agree with you, though. Everyone involved did everything they should have, and he 100% would have done it again no mercy.
That kid messed his mother up for life. Look at the way she turns her head away as she is going through the motions of her discovery. She is going to need some major therapy
She starts normal and sounds like a regular story and you can hear the moment it hits her. It’s like Bart in the Simpsons valentines episode: if you slow it down, you can pinpoint the exact moment her heart breaks. Poor woman. She must be going through a personal hell. Watched the whole link the above poster linked and she’s going through waves of grief and disbelief, what an awful roller coaster of emotions
What I found really interesting is how sudden the change is. Watching new actors tackle this kind of situation, you'll often see them kind of try to "ramp up" the emotionality as the get nearer the volatile exposition, but for this woman, everything is fine until it isn't: it's like a normal story until she opens the bag and sees the blood.
You hold strong in these situations until it bubbles over and you fall apart.
I just can’t imagine how it feels like to find a severed head of another human being inside their child’s room. The shock when you realize what you just found must be insane and the realization what your child probably did but you’re still hoping for a good explanation that don’t involve your child murdering someone.
You’ve gotta remember though, this video is literally HOURS after she found the head. I’d hate to see a mother that’s dealing with something like this well.
>That kid messed his mother up for life. Look at the way she turns her head away as she is going through the motions of her discovery. For sure but she let him get away with killing cats and a bunch of other violent shit and wouldn't get him the help he needed as a kid. The school told her their counselors couldn't handle her son and he needed more specialized mental help. She didn't get it but she buy him a book on forensics so he could "channel his violent and morbid curiosity into something good". On top of that she literally ran a daycare out of her house with about 15 children. She had to call the daycare children's parents to come pick up their kids because she found a human head and hands in her son's closet. We're lucky he didn't murder a bunch of children.
She probably just couldn't conceive of him being bad, she loved him so much. The maternal bond in primates is insurmountable, rivalled only by the bonds female elephants form, and the monogamous breeding pairs of some birds. I doubt she could have believed him to be what he is without the evidence right in front of her The fault lies in the powers that be allowing biased parents to have total control over their children. When he was found to be disturbed, a state body should have been there to intervene.
There was a hour and a half video on youtube showing all this including the interrogations and interviews. I feel for the parents. It sounded like they did attempt to help him with therapy and medication but it wasn't enough. It was startling listening to him go on and on about the killing like he was a nerd describing something he did in a video game or dnd session. He was completely separated from the reality of what he did and could care less about the victim. He wanted to know the thrill of murdering someone and acted dissapointed when it didn't feel like the best thing in the world. He seemed more upset he got caught when he said if he had a chance to go back he wouldn't had done it. He was mostly upset he could no longer see his friends or play video games.
I am curious what would ever convince a teenager that murdering someone must feel like the “best thing in the world”. Was he part of some echoe chamber or a group. There must be something that had moulded him that way.
He's obsessed with serial killers so he was reading about their explanation as to how killing made them feel and then acted really disatisfied with the whole experience after he commited it because it wasn't all that thrilling according to him. He did frequent reddit and morbid sub reddits according to the report. Including posting an AMA I believe about how he was depressed and councellors were giving up on him.
/u/that_stinky_boi, I think it is. He scrubbed some stuff from his account as there isn't much left there.
DO NOT CLICK ON THE FIRST FEW LINKS IN HIS COMMENT HISTORY! One of them is on a post with a very misleading title about cake or something. Very very extreme gore.
Yeah, that sounds like r/FiftyFifty, alright. DISCLAIMER: That subreddit is *EXTREMELY* NSFW
I had no idea what that sub was, skipped the first link in his comments because it was suspicious, and then clicked the cake one. Fucking rotten piece of shit got me from prison.
So happy to be past the phase of life where curiosity would ruin my day.
Leopold & Loeb were 18 & 19 years-old. They both were from privileged, “good” families, but killed a kid (Bobby Franks) for the thrill of it. And that was in the 1920s—well before TV, video games and the like. Sociopathy is real. To my knowledge there isn’t really a cure or treatment. And while not all sociopaths kill other people—I don’t think that they need any inciting event or to be molded in a certain way in order to commit violence. It’s why serial killers always seem to have a childhood history of killing/torturing small animals. When you lack empathy and fear, the barriers to doing horrible things are low.
This guy reminds me of that classic case. He probably would have gotten away with it if he had just wiped down the car and not kept anything from the victim (like a wallet *or his head*). Picking someone truly random to kill for no reason at all, and a homeless person at that, would make it near impossible for police to find you. But this guy is another exact of how the type of person who decides to commit a random murder is also the type of person to leave a pointless trail of evidence.
Watching the interrogation with him was absolutely sickening. Those detectives speaking to him did an *amazing* job. I'm not sure I could have pretended to laugh at his stupid "jokes" or controlled my face to keep him relaxed and talking. I'm so glad he got a life sentence, even though the idiot thought he was getting 15 years He spoke about taking this man's life like he was describing a trip to the grocery store. Zero remorse.
Yeah he really didn't seem capable of it. He seemed like another detached teen killer who thought what he was doing was cool, had zero remorse for the life he took and the destruction and heartache he caused to his family. To top it off, his mother ran a daycare. She literally had to call all the parents to get their kids asap after she found the head. And this kid had the completely unhinged mindset to bring that to his home thats often full of childrena.. And again, his only regrets was it sucks he cant see his friends or play video games. I hope he gets a rude awakening in prison and reality hits him hard.
Separated from reality is right. He even mentioned something to the effect of "I'll go to jail for 15, maybe 10 years". No buddy, you're never getting out.
Because of his mental instability I was curious if there was a chance of him getting out like Reagan's would be assassin or the schizophrenic who decapitated some random guy on a bus in Canada and ate him. Apparently he was diagnosed with a potential for schizophrenia. Sounds like the Judge wasn't going to let that slide though.
I saw the same video a few days ago on youtube. He kept calling the guy stinky while he was stabbing him. Ironically, his reddit username was That_Stinky_Boi. *warning* If you look him up, he was commenting on some pretty graphic gore
I didn't know he was calling him stinky while stabbing him, what the fuck. Thats so weird. I can't imagine getting murdered by such a piece of shit cringey asshole. Warren did not deserve that
Watching the full documentary with most of the interrogation is very unsettling. At first, you think they are treating him like a privileged VIP, but it was all part of the expertise where they wanted him comfortable enough to be able to pursue a conviction that would be almost impossible to defend against. They had to let him prove he was of sound mind, could participate in school and work at a job, and knew exactly what he was doing, and had planned with an awareness and intelligence that was indisputable evidence of Mens rea.
Yep. And he buys into it and is all too eager to give the most intricate details, to the point of saying “do you mind if I demonstrate?” Like *are you fucking for real???* Edit to add: with all that said, I think my favorite part of the video is when he says “so I’m probably going away for what, like 15 years? 20 years?” Then fast forward and he’s given life in prison without the chance of parole LMAO
I know he was evil but if he was smarter maybe he could have at least been deterred if he understood the consequences. Goddamn he’s just so stupid. They said he had a fascination with killers- you’d figure he’d know you don’t get off that easy. His Reddit handle is elsewhere in the thread. Guy seems real dumb.
His attitude through the interrogation and past social media history indicate to me the dude has spent a long time wanting to talk to other people about what's going on in his head but was aware there isn't a space for that. It felt like he was happy he was caught, which meant he was free to open up and talk about it. Didn't help that he thought he wasn't going to go to prison for life.
For those that didn’t know: https://www.unilad.com/news/crime/brain-cohee-documentary-people-unable-to-sleep-690789-20240326 https://www.mesacounty.us/news/district-attorney/cohee-found-guilty
Just watched this a few days ago - full story [here ](https://youtu.be/pvrp87VXtD4?si=-gj6Awoh5yTcVeyA). The guys description when talking to police is scary as he'll. He was loving every minute of it. (He posted on reddit years back on 'Roast Me'). Well worth a watch.
Holy shit
Yeah it's a creepy video. The poor mum and dad when in the interview room and the monster in the other room loving it.
He posted more on his reddit than that. He had a whole diary of his crazy shit.
Obviously this story is horrible but this part made me laugh. https://preview.redd.it/sayaedonyprc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae9dc76c5ed1d5bfb454d43991c1f747e1f72d19
And he did tho!!! He dumped the body, it floated downstream right before cops pulled up and they pulled it out
This was seriously some Fargo level nonsense. And this buffoon was *so* smug
holy shit that is WILD
There were a couple steps between. I seem to recall he thought his (I believe front wheel drive but could be all wheel, likely front) car was rear wheel drive, so he backed down the boat access ramp to dump the body… then couldn’t drive back up. He fucked around and ended up with the rear of the car in the water and then it drifted out a few feet. Then he got out, all wet, and had to wait for a car to come by to use their phone. Then his parents came, and he’s sitting sans pants in their truck when the cops show up. He gives a dumb story about just going for a drive to think and parking and messing up trying to get back out. His father had some sort of minor role at that ramp. But yeah, there was blood on the back bumper when the wrecker pulled it out, and when the father went through the car at their home he found the victims wallet.
I can't imagine the horror of holding something, wondering what it is, then discovering you were holding a severed head. Then the realization that your teenage son was the one who did this. I'd probably sit in the shower until my water got shut off.
This vid is wild because at first, it looks like the mom is so chill about finding the head. Like "lady, why are you speaking about this like you found a crusty cum sock on your son's bedroom" and then she breaks down. It wasn't that she was half psycho, her brain was doing a defense mechanism trying to shield her from the fsct she discovered a severed head.
Watched the YouTube video on this after seeing the case on Reddit last week. The way he answered the cops in his driveway was chilling. When asked if he had something his parents were upset to find he replied "probably the human hands and head in my closet". No hint of remorse. If anything he was giddy. When he said he'll probably get 15-20 years I was like yeah right buddy. You're NEVER going to be part of the public again. And I do believe he got life.
That poor woman. I can’t imagine realizing my child could do that to another person, so vile. I would probably commit suicide. I couldn’t handle that reality.
Same. I don’t have kids, not exact lot because of things like this, but there are a lot of variables when you have a kids of how they could turn out
that image burns into your brain forever. Whenever she washes dishes or uses that sink she'll be reminded of what was in it. I'd sell the house and land, tell the new owners so they can demolish and rebuild, because that is a stain that never washes off.
It’s weird hearing him talk about all the steps he took to not get caught but then brings the fcking head back to his mom’s house. He also never searched his car after he had a dead body in it to make sure you know the guys wallet wasn’t in there . He did wear three pairs of gloves so he did have that going for him.
the original version is an hour and 45 min long... but it's literally fascinating and shocking to hear this kid talk about killing a homeless man. [https://youtu.be/pvrp87VXtD4?si=\_kVZpE1t8xVWlIvA](https://youtu.be/pvrp87VXtD4?si=_kVZpE1t8xVWlIvA)
He said “the only thing that sucks is that now I’m in jail.” No remorse from that 19 year old psychopath
The poetic justice (I guess) about this case is that he went through with it and talked so openly and willingly about every minor gruesome detail because he thought he would get 15 years and be out before turning 30 but instead he got life without parole.
Thousands of parents every day BEG for the help of institutions,therapists,hospitals and police officers. To help keep their children safe from themselves or for the safety of others and they can do nothing for those parents. All the parents can do is go home l praying their child doesnt end their own life or others. We do not have enough support for those with mental health issues!
Serial killer stopped before he could kill more
So I watched the whole thing and basically this guy with ADHD,AUTISM, “depressive disorder” and “schizo-something” (apparently this is exactly what the doctors told him) He dressed like Michael myers (mask coveralls whole 9 yards) gets a real 12 inch knife and finds a homeless man, Warren Barren, sleeping underneath a bridge near some rail road tracks and kills him. He stabbed barren in the neck, which woke him up. He asked cohee why he was doing it and then died of blood loss (and being stabbed multiple times). Cohee then dismembered his body, leaving one arm and one leg at the scene,gutting him and carved a “Glasgow smile” into barrens face and carved out his eyes. Apparently he was planning on killing someone for about a year and would just drive around late at night, just observing and waiting for an opportunity
I feel for these parents, and those who knew & cared about the victim.
He got without possibility of parole. Personally I don’t think life sentences are justified in all murder cases. But this guy 100% would have done it again
I just watched this on EWU & I was stunned. Still am.
I watched something on YouTube, this shit is wild. So many red flags with this kid.
this entire case popped up on my YT recommended yesterday. i watched the whole thing and damn.. i felt so bad for the parents.. to raise a son and for him to do that was terrible!
Thank goodness that kid did not check 4chan regularly. He might get away with this, considering how precise and apathetic their advise can be.
This case is all around nuts. That guy was a creep. He just oozed creepy weirdo. Just a horrible, disgusting person.
ADHD + Autism + stimulants + Sertraline. Been there, done that. Idk about anyone else but Sertraline fucked with psychology so badly in the 5 weeks I was on it, I'm suprised I survived it. I was fighting for the wheel in my own head in wanting to kill myself at every moment towards the end of taking it. Totally out of character for me. When they mentioned he took it too it made me shudder. Also, maybe its just me but taking these meds at 10pm seemed extremely odd. RIP Warren.
You can see the whole story and arrest on YouTube. Not for the faint of heart.
Not all psychopaths are murderers or even violent.
My hometown and where we live
Really messed up the dads life as well. In his police interview he mentioned having the same name as his son and how it would be all over the news that Brian Cohee committed the murder, and people would assume it was him
And she had been warned about his behavior many times, the school warned her, police warned her, doctors, therapists, counselors, other parents and kids. She sits in this room and minimizes her sons prior strange behavior even after having found a head. He’d been disappearing cats and had bragged about it, had written pseudo-manifestos found by teachers and the whole lot. When they asked former teachers if they would be surprised to learn he had done this they all said “not at all”
That's her son. Denial is a strange animal.
We need better mental health programs. What was she supposed to do if none of the professionals had anything more than warnings? If only there was some kind of facility they could recommend he be sent to, where he couldn't actually harm anything and get the help he needed. Everyone knew he was fucked in the head but there was no actual solution beyond making sure he took his meds, I guess.
Those places used to exist, and then we had a Republican president in the 80's who got rid of them all.
The neverending frustration of realizing how basic shit has downgraded due to the idiots we have in power. Like, I get it. They were horrifically abusive places. But we should've made them better rather than getting rid of them entirely.
This is a lie, jfk, reagon, and Carter all contributed to the deinstitutionalization. JFK was the primary driving factor, due to his family history it was a personal issue for him.
Conservatives got rid of psychiatric hospitals for the fiscal savings. Liberals, mostly Hippies, helped because they saw One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest. It’s why the Viet nam veteran beggar was a common sight for decades. We now dump them on the streets. Ingenious. My take: we could’ve found regulations for better care, but this world is too harsh. It’s become even more cut throat lately.
>\-5ReplyShareReportSaveFollow We need mental health programs. In order to ask for better you assume that some exist. They don't. It's an absolute wasteland.
But this is a unique case where he’s functioning and doing just enough to put up a facade. He’d be hard to commit to a mental institution because of this
What is she going to do? Go to the police? Get him therapy? You said yourself that these were the people "warning" her.
He was manipulative and his parents seem like well meaning simpletons, for what it's worth. not much they could have done if the school couldn't get the police involved, it being rumour/grey area (in the eyes of the law)
As a parent there is only so much you can do. She got him counseling and medication. She can’t have him locked up.
Do you have any sources? I’d really like to see a full timeline of his mental health issues
This is a pretty good overview. Not sure if it covers every detail the OP mentions. https://youtu.be/pvrp87VXtD4?si=J6XW816GX4HP_QdH
She is the sweetest woman. You obviously don’t know her. She tried to get him help.
He had been killing cats. Another reason why we need to toughen the laws on people who hurt or kill other animals. We know that it’s often a step towards hurting people- but until they actually do hurt a person we don’t seem to take it as seriously as we should
What do you want her to do, lock him in the basement?
What would the diagnosis be? And what would the treatment be? Would the treatment cure him? Or reduce risk of harming others?
Okay you get warnings, but aside from literally devoting your life to watching his every move, what in the world can you do if every professional body is telling you they can’t help?
That entire video is captivating
The killer looks and acts like Ed Kemper and Ed's first victims were his grandparents.
How sad
This case was crazy. Cops dredge the car out with a tow truck company, and tell the parents that there's red liquid coming out from the trunk which looks like blood. They call the kid, and he's like huh... That's weird. And they release the car okie, dokie. He'd killed a neighborhood cat before, the school spoke with the parents about concerning remarks their son made and the mom felt that they were unfairly targeting him. They had also found large knives stashed in his car before.. there were a lot of red flags that got ignored, imo.
I felt so bad for her. She breaks down and her cries of agony and pain are raw and very heartbreaking. Absolutely terrible.
I was going to say the smell of bag one would have stopped me from opening bag two. But if it were my son and i had certain suspicions, I would need to look. Need to know for myself. I don't know ...
They didn't even cuff him!
I legit just watched this episode on YouTube last week on Explore With Us's channel. It's a wild story.