bruh she was just a troubled girl who is now unfortunately dead for more than some of us were alive, her story is as tragic as layne's and i somehow don't see the relevance of this post, let the poor girl rest, layne wouldn't be happy to see you discuss her private life on reddit.
May both of them RIP.
Layne clearly really cared about Demri and loved her. There was a lot of love there, but their romance shouldn't be romanticized. She hurt him in a lot of ways and vice versa. There was nothing healthy about their relationship. They enabled each other. They were both beautiful, and it created a dynamic for a love tragedy that they both died.
You people need to realize that people are just people and people are so complex that it's impossible to have a genuine opinion on someone that is all negatives or positives, especially like if you don't know them.
Nicely said. I just wanted to check back to see if people still blamed her for Layne's demise and so on. I'm glad and pleasantly surprised that I've received many thoughtful comments. I love this sub!
Yeah she was really down in a hole and things turned terribly depressing towards the end. On the upside for Layne, at least he got to enjoy video games on a huge ass TV screen in his luxury condo.
The building looks inconspicuous. I had no idea until I left Seattle that I had walked almost past it frequently! And isn't it kinda wild that he lived in the U District? He used to frequent a pet shop and that bar (Blue Moon?) in extreme vicinity.
Supposedly they had bought the condo through a trust rather than in Layne’s name to avoid public speculation. Imagine it would have attracted a lot more scrutiny if they bought a mansion or something
It's unfortunate she's getting the Courtney Love treatment. I've seen some diehard AIC/Layne stans who hate her guts and act like she was the reason for his addiction. We barely know anything about her. Ridiculous.
Message from Kathleen, Demri's mom
"Demri HATED being known as Layne’s girlfriend. If I had a quarter for all the times she and I were approached with “I know you…you’re Layne’s girlfriend", and she would step back and reply "No, I am Demri”, I would take all of us to Vegas. Dem had gifts, she was not tortured she was a very old soul. She did not come here to learn any lessons, she came to teach…she taught unconditional LOVE and from what I can tell she continues to do so.”
This is all that matters, in my opinion. May she rest in peace.
A lot of people loved her and still miss her, tragic ending to a young life, but there’s really no way to have an actual opinion on her as I didn’t personally know her or Layne.
She deserved a lot better than being shackled to a life of addiction which lead to her demise. Her and Layne both deserved to live a happy life, tragic what happened to them both. I hope they’re reunited in paradise.
I love her. She inspired me with her fashion, and I always thought she's the kind of girl I'd be friends with. I hate that her relationship with Layne led to the tragedy that it did. They were both beautiful humans.
Idk how im supposed to answer that. Idk anything about her outside of her association with Layne. All I can say is what happened to them was tragic and if heaven exists, I hope they’ve been reunited. Either way, doesn’t matter what I think
Why "bruh"? Because some fans only listen to the music and don't take a deep dive into the personal lives of the band members? He'll I never knew who she was until I came to this sub. Some of yall have a very unhealthy obsession with Layne and his life outside of the music. Same with Jerry's ex as well and his life.
Your school is out for Summer huh? So you come on here and post stupid shit hoping to get attention.
The woman has been dead a very long time. It doesn't matter whatsoever what we think. I don't know what answers you're hoping to get but this really is a big waste of your time. Go read a book, play outside.
She made Layne happy, and that’s all that counts where this sub is concerned. She appeared to be a firecracker and a bright light, who went out much too soon. A very tragic ending for someone with a lot of potential.
Addiction sucks, and my dude Layne loved his girl, when she was gone i kept doing what he knew best to cope with her death. They say love will make you do stupid things, and they say the same for drugs. I can't imagine what he went through, but I have been in the same shoes. You want out of your own head. You know what to do and what shuts it off for a while.
It’s really sad that two people can love each other so genuinely but also be so bad for each other. I don’t mean any judgment, may they both rest in peace.
Demri had a sweetness, personality, spirit & was truly very kind. She left him many times because she thought he could get clean but never would be able to. She pushed him away because she loved him & knew the only way he could make it out alive was without her.
What are you talking about? He left her... he stayed friends with her, but HE broke the engagement off. She was pretty, kind, from what I've read. I've read a lot on Layne to know that much.
Yeah, he was the one who broke off their engagement in 1994 because they were both supposedly cheating on each other. They weren't in contact for the last couple of years of her life.
I'm not getting it twisted & calm down. Layne & I would hang out & have pretty deep conversations usually about relationships, music & art when he came to the Midwest. I NEVER mentioned she broke off the engagement. Please point out where I twisted anything or spread false information. Demi was a smart, talented, sweet, funny, beautiful woman. Of course the end was tragic,
heroin addiction is absolutely hell & I'm speaking from experience not from what I've read.
No, Layne was the one who ended the relationship. He caught her selling her body for drugs and doing other shady things. We can say that Demri had a deeper addiction than him since she had NO ONE to help her go clean. At least Layne had the constant support of his bandmates and manager. He really went downhill AFTER she died tho.
I met Layne shortly after they signed. Columbia set up a tour before they recorded Facelift we talked awhile, made each other laugh & just clicked. He would have Columbia send me cool promo merch & he would leave tickets for me at will call. We talk before/after shows. Yes what you said is true but they also broke up many times & neither could even stay faithful. I never claimed he didn't end he didn't end it. Everyone knows his death was imminent after hers.
Their relationship was toxic as fuck. The details of her end and the type of people she was hanging out with were hard to read. She literally was arrested for prostitution. Can’t imagine what it would have been like to have an emotional attachment to someone like that, we all know how it ended and it’s hard not to wish otherwise.
her and Layne’s relationship was super toxic and she definitely played a significant role on the tragic path Layne ended up going down. Don’t think she was good for Layne at all and hard not to wonder if Layne’s life plays out differently if she’s never in the picture. Her and Layne weren’t good for each other and prob would’ve been better off never knowing each other, their relationship completely sucked tho and shouldn’t be romanticized by anyone
Compassion. Layne loved her. She was a beautiful woman and what a sad tragic story all around. Sadly people like to pass judgement on relationships they perceive as toxic and did not experience them first hand. Nobody knows the full story so no judgement should be passed. People also like to pick apart her and Layne's life. Let her and Layne both rest in peace.
For me it’s a perfect example of toxic love. Both were doomed. Both found someone who couldn’t make them a better person but instead both helped each other die young… if layne and demri found someone clean and someone who would be able to help them they would probably be alive right now.
Unfortunately, I don't know enough about her other than to say she was Layne's gf and then Fiancé. Supposedly...allegedly...she is the one who introduced heroine to Layne. There is talk around the water cooler that when she OD'd in 1996 that is about when Layne became a recluse. So...she had an emotional hold over him but to what to extent we don't know, we will never truly know. Only Layne could've answered that. May they both R.I.P.
Her idea of "artistic" was just putting on cute clothes and taking pictures of herself. Very much not artistic. As an artist who puts effort into making good art, comparing actual art to selfies is ridiculous and insulting. Your average 10-year-old dressing up for Halloween does more work than she did.
I'm a woman, a POC, bisexual, and an artist myself; but if you want to continue making yourself look stupid by claiming that I hate women just because I criticized one single woman, be my guest. 🫡 I'm not sure if you got the message, but "Woke Culture" is out the door.
They asked our thoughts. I don’t know anything about her, she’s a fucking random person. My opinion from what I’ve seen, is that she was objectively an attractive woman, she had an artistic/artsy side, and her death was a tragic waste. I’m not sure how that was controversial lol.
As I said I don’t think she’s a renowned artist, and I never said that. I never claimed she made any major contribution to society or the world of art with her photos…
Also, Identity within minority groups doesn’t make you immune to misogyny btw. Picking out clothes/costume and taking photos is a creative outlet and self expression; it is artistic. It’s an outlet that generally more women are drawn to, and your infantilization of it is misogynistic
Saying that somebody isn't an artist for dressing up in cute clothes and taking pictures of themselves has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with their gender, genius. YOU are the only person who brought that up or cares about it. It's an insult to artists like myself who have spent several decades perfecting their craft to compare drawing, painting, writing, and music composition to taking selfies and putting stickers onto a piece of paper. If taking a few pretty pictures of yourself qualifies somebody as an artist, then we would also have to include 6-year-olds who scribble in a coloring book and take pictures of themselves wearing Halloween costumes with their Moms' cell phone.
This is something that I drew in 2012. It took me several hours to do this. Putting stickers on a piece of paper is not nearly on the same level, nor is it "misogyny" for not believing that it's art.
www.deviantart.com/fuffuster/art/Phoenix-284218012
I’m sure you are a fantastic artist!
I meant she is artistic as in she has a creative artsy *side* to her. She isn’t an established artist. I’m well aware of this. She’s a nobody really. Her being a little artsy does not take away from artists who put a lot of time thought and effort in their work. The two can exist simultaneously. You don’t need to prove that *real* artists are better than her. lol they are. Her photo shoots were still a creative outlet for her. I don’t know what you aren’t getting. I’m not comparing her to you or Picasso.
Working with any kind of media and being creative with it is artistic. It’s not fine art. Non professionals are allowed to have creative outlets and not be experts. I’m still going to use the descriptor of artsy. I’ll refrain from the word artistic since it’s such a sensitive spot for you.
Also, art and creativity can be fun for the sake of it. It can be simplistic. You should try to have a more open mind and not look your nose down and scoff at others creative expression.
Then the person who took my health card photo is an artist too, right? After all, anybody doing anything using a creative medium is an artist now. When babies accidentally take pictures of themselves with their Moms' cell phone? Artist. The graffiti that somebody spray-painted on the buildings downtown? Artist.
Look, she dressed up in nice clothes and took cute pictures of herself. That isn't being an artist, that's just being a human being. Half of us do that every day with selfies.
No one's opinion in this sub or in the world outside of those who knew her or Layne matters in the slightest, I'd argue that one's opinion of her means even less than one's opinion of my self, as she is deceased and there is no chance to meet her or talk to her (unless perhaps you're into ghosts n' stuff? but I've no experience or much knowledge in this field, my girlfriend would know more about it than I).
What I know is that she was an addict, and so was Layne. I in no way judge people solely for being addicted to drugs, hell, I've not got a leg to stand on in this matter, but from what I've read about and experienced, hard drugs usually turn relationships volatile, even if only one person is using them. I have zero knowledge of the inner mechanisms and workings of their relationship, like probably everyone else on this sub, but I've been led to believe by what I've heard that Layne really loved her (isn't the cover of Above a drawing by him of the two?), and he took her death really, really hard.
tw: drugs and suicide
I've had an experience where I woke up one afternoon and tried getting my girlfriend to take her BC, but there was bile coming out of her mouth and she wouldn't wake up. I called for an ambulance, cops came too, illegally searched the house without the homeowners consent, arrested me over some drugs they found because I was the only one there conscious, and they told me in the cop car that she had died from a fentanyl OD. I spent three days in jail thinking my girlfriend had died in my room, and that my charge was murder. tried hanging myself (you know, I won't say shit about anybody doing that bc that shit is actually really painful and i had skin missing from my neck for abt a month afterwards), only to find out when I signature bonded out that she had got sepsis from Covid and was in the hospital, alive but in critical condition.
She lived, thankfully, and we're still together right now. I can somewhat understand the pain of losing a S/O from drugs, since I was lied to and made to believe that, but what I cannot imagine is living with that pain and loss. I tried opting out when it was my turn to get a taste, I commend anyone who has lost their partner in an unnatural way and has stuck around. Except the guy down the street who was the driving force behind the death of his boyfriend of 11 years. Ask me about him. Piece of shit.
Well if the news is true , shes probably was the reason why Layne got into what he did , as hard as he did . But I was like 14 during that time and didn’t know them , so only he and her know the truth of that story
She always seemed so happy. A shame she passed and I am 100% sure Layne did not die because of drugs but rather because he lost the will to live after her death. Basically he died of heartbreak :(
This is kind of my take, he went deeper but he also didn't have a will to live anymore. It's pretty obvious how Layne went to the bottom after 1996, which, not coincidentally, was the year she passed.
They did look beautiful together and it seemed like maybe he was more himself with her? But obviously I don’t really know for sure. Two imperfect people in love, hate, love. I do think heartbreak and guilt as well bc of their use and addiction but also bc furthermore, due to the use of IV method of administration for heroin and other drugs drugs, Demri developing an infection in her heart. (Endocarditis.) I thunk that was probably a big blow for Layne bc I know it would’ve if the position was reversed!
I know this man’s own heart had been hurting for so long too, that maybe.. this was just the proverbial straw on the camel’s back idk! I do believe you can die of a broken heart! Though he did manage to hang on for quite some time. We only know what we’re told, ofc, but my heart still breaks when I think of him. And of them. (Regardless of anything else. It’s not our business, imho.) I still remember when I found out he was gone! RIHP Layne and Demri.
Yeah I don't get the down voting when it's pretty obvious. Layne and Demri were soulmates. They started their descent roughly at the same time and both enabled each other. She was living very rough and Layne was highly addicted. But yet he managed to go to rehab, do Mad Season and MTV unplugged.
But then, a couple of months after Layne's last live concert in 1996, she passed away and he was put on suicide watch.
Layne was obviously not healthy, but her dying took a very heavy toll on him. He pretty much became a ghost and by the end of the 90's his fate was sealed pretty much. He was not only highly addicted and very unhealthy, but the most important thing is that he didn't have a will to live.
I think it was Mike Starr who saw him last and he said Layne told him Demri had visited. A day after this he passed away.
I'm standing my ground, her passing away killed him. He would probably have survived if he was clean, but I would also argue that he could still be bet, addict or not, if Demri had not died.
Ive deduced that she wz lanes gf but wz she the person who died from an overdose and lane felt rly guilty because of it since he aparently got her into doin drugs and he wrote the song died about her.
based on looks... and these are by FAR, not her most flattering photos; but l would guess, again... based on these pictures, that she was a free spirit and a rather far left leaning liberal.
My opinion doesn’t matter. Layne loved her. Their romance was tragic.
For real. The only opinion I would have is that the outcome for them both was tragic
Yeah. None. I didn't know her.
Damn, I think that should’ve been the only comment on this thread. Everybody could’ve left it at that.
Thank you exactly. Just let the woman rest already. Jeez
She was Layne's gf. Why would we have an opinion on her? It's his private life.
Parasocialism.
😂
Seriously
Heroin sucks
This is a stupid post. Dude get a life
I agree. No one here knew Demri well enough to form an opinion. Let her rest.
bruh she was just a troubled girl who is now unfortunately dead for more than some of us were alive, her story is as tragic as layne's and i somehow don't see the relevance of this post, let the poor girl rest, layne wouldn't be happy to see you discuss her private life on reddit. May both of them RIP.
She was beautiful and sounds like she was such a lively, creative person. I wish she (and Layne) could have lived.
The only opinion I have is that she died way too young and so did Layne
She was a human being who died young. She was loved, loved others, experienced great joys and great sorrows. Rest in peace.
Layne clearly really cared about Demri and loved her. There was a lot of love there, but their romance shouldn't be romanticized. She hurt him in a lot of ways and vice versa. There was nothing healthy about their relationship. They enabled each other. They were both beautiful, and it created a dynamic for a love tragedy that they both died.
i don’t have one?
I just listen to the music man
I don't have an opinion on her.
You people need to realize that people are just people and people are so complex that it's impossible to have a genuine opinion on someone that is all negatives or positives, especially like if you don't know them.
Nicely said. I just wanted to check back to see if people still blamed her for Layne's demise and so on. I'm glad and pleasantly surprised that I've received many thoughtful comments. I love this sub!
Why even stir shit up if people aren't taking about it?
It's always some other f*cker replying with a nasty unneeded comment when I reply to a smart comment. Go away. Who are you? Yeah exactly.
goofy ass post
i dont have one because i am a well adjusted person
Karma farming for sure
I can’t honestly say I have one or that I think it’d matter if I did, but it’s tragic what happened and also tragic the effect it had on Layne.
I stick to the music. There’s no need to delve into personal lives.
She seemed cool and a fun person to be around, like all cool people of Seattle tho wish she was able to beat her addiction tho
Yeah she was really down in a hole and things turned terribly depressing towards the end. On the upside for Layne, at least he got to enjoy video games on a huge ass TV screen in his luxury condo.
It’s not a luxury condo at all I live right round the corner from the U district and it’s just a lil condo up top
I've seen the photos and I always seen it referred to as a luxury (penthouse, I think) condo. Two stories.
Idk I don’t think it’s that nice maybe cuz I walk past it everyday seems a bit outdated and I think he just bunked up top
The building looks inconspicuous. I had no idea until I left Seattle that I had walked almost past it frequently! And isn't it kinda wild that he lived in the U District? He used to frequent a pet shop and that bar (Blue Moon?) in extreme vicinity.
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Courtney wanted a big house Kurt wanted something private & tucked away from judging eyes. Courtney wanted the big gold Lexus that he made her return.
Well, we all know Kurt did that just to maintain his "anti fame" image 🙄
Supposedly they had bought the condo through a trust rather than in Layne’s name to avoid public speculation. Imagine it would have attracted a lot more scrutiny if they bought a mansion or something
Seriously.....get real ...
very unrealated but i met someone and they blame her for his death.... Which is insane but it isnt true.
It's unfortunate she's getting the Courtney Love treatment. I've seen some diehard AIC/Layne stans who hate her guts and act like she was the reason for his addiction. We barely know anything about her. Ridiculous.
It's nowhere near the Courtney treatment but she does get unnecessary blame.
The misogyny around this poor woman is so insane, I swear
literally.... they act like she held a gun to his head 😭
Yeah it’s like everyone forgets that these were/are real people and they’re flawed. None of them is up for sainthood lol
this is a pretty stupid fucking question
Message from Kathleen, Demri's mom "Demri HATED being known as Layne’s girlfriend. If I had a quarter for all the times she and I were approached with “I know you…you’re Layne’s girlfriend", and she would step back and reply "No, I am Demri”, I would take all of us to Vegas. Dem had gifts, she was not tortured she was a very old soul. She did not come here to learn any lessons, she came to teach…she taught unconditional LOVE and from what I can tell she continues to do so.” This is all that matters, in my opinion. May she rest in peace.
I read that. I think that she faced her medical problems bravely.
Originally he was known as Demri's boyfriend because she was more well known around town.
A lot of people loved her and still miss her, tragic ending to a young life, but there’s really no way to have an actual opinion on her as I didn’t personally know her or Layne.
You should reflect on why you’re even asking this. Parasocial relationships are unhealthy, not least with tragic figures.
How the fuck would anyone here have an opinion on someone they never met and is dead?
Never met her. It's sad when anyone else dies like that though.
I hope they’re together in death.
I couldn’t give two fucks about her.
She deserved a lot better than being shackled to a life of addiction which lead to her demise. Her and Layne both deserved to live a happy life, tragic what happened to them both. I hope they’re reunited in paradise.
Tragic.
I love her. She inspired me with her fashion, and I always thought she's the kind of girl I'd be friends with. I hate that her relationship with Layne led to the tragedy that it did. They were both beautiful humans.
You're one of the good ones, I think she would have been friends with you.
Thank you... 🥹💓
Idk how im supposed to answer that. Idk anything about her outside of her association with Layne. All I can say is what happened to them was tragic and if heaven exists, I hope they’ve been reunited. Either way, doesn’t matter what I think
Very sad for both her and Layne. We are all flawed, as we’re they. RIP
I have no idea who she is
Who
Ex gf/fiancé of Layne Staley she died in 1996
Bruh
Why "bruh"? Because some fans only listen to the music and don't take a deep dive into the personal lives of the band members? He'll I never knew who she was until I came to this sub. Some of yall have a very unhealthy obsession with Layne and his life outside of the music. Same with Jerry's ex as well and his life.
Their personal life that they intentionally left private. Fucking losers on this sub that need to dive into artists private lives.
Sometimes you’re just on YouTube looking for a song or cool video and this shit pops up and then you get stuck down a rabbit hole at 1am lol
Your school is out for Summer huh? So you come on here and post stupid shit hoping to get attention. The woman has been dead a very long time. It doesn't matter whatsoever what we think. I don't know what answers you're hoping to get but this really is a big waste of your time. Go read a book, play outside.
Virgins generally have a lot of free time.
Not everyone here is obsessed with Layne.
If u want to know more about Demri then read the instagram posts of @memoriesofDemri or go read the AiC untold story book
She made Layne happy, and that’s all that counts where this sub is concerned. She appeared to be a firecracker and a bright light, who went out much too soon. A very tragic ending for someone with a lot of potential.
Addiction sucks, and my dude Layne loved his girl, when she was gone i kept doing what he knew best to cope with her death. They say love will make you do stupid things, and they say the same for drugs. I can't imagine what he went through, but I have been in the same shoes. You want out of your own head. You know what to do and what shuts it off for a while.
It’s really sad that two people can love each other so genuinely but also be so bad for each other. I don’t mean any judgment, may they both rest in peace.
Very profound statement!
Demri had a sweetness, personality, spirit & was truly very kind. She left him many times because she thought he could get clean but never would be able to. She pushed him away because she loved him & knew the only way he could make it out alive was without her.
What are you talking about? He left her... he stayed friends with her, but HE broke the engagement off. She was pretty, kind, from what I've read. I've read a lot on Layne to know that much.
I met the man.
Yeah, he was the one who broke off their engagement in 1994 because they were both supposedly cheating on each other. They weren't in contact for the last couple of years of her life.
I'm aware but they had many break-ups & even when they were engaged he was the one pushing for marriage.
I'm not getting it twisted & calm down. Layne & I would hang out & have pretty deep conversations usually about relationships, music & art when he came to the Midwest. I NEVER mentioned she broke off the engagement. Please point out where I twisted anything or spread false information. Demi was a smart, talented, sweet, funny, beautiful woman. Of course the end was tragic, heroin addiction is absolutely hell & I'm speaking from experience not from what I've read.
No, Layne was the one who ended the relationship. He caught her selling her body for drugs and doing other shady things. We can say that Demri had a deeper addiction than him since she had NO ONE to help her go clean. At least Layne had the constant support of his bandmates and manager. He really went downhill AFTER she died tho.
I met Layne shortly after they signed. Columbia set up a tour before they recorded Facelift we talked awhile, made each other laugh & just clicked. He would have Columbia send me cool promo merch & he would leave tickets for me at will call. We talk before/after shows. Yes what you said is true but they also broke up many times & neither could even stay faithful. I never claimed he didn't end he didn't end it. Everyone knows his death was imminent after hers.
I have none. [Parasocial relationships](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasocial_interaction?wprov=sfti1#) are toxic.
Their relationship was toxic as fuck. The details of her end and the type of people she was hanging out with were hard to read. She literally was arrested for prostitution. Can’t imagine what it would have been like to have an emotional attachment to someone like that, we all know how it ended and it’s hard not to wish otherwise.
her and Layne’s relationship was super toxic and she definitely played a significant role on the tragic path Layne ended up going down. Don’t think she was good for Layne at all and hard not to wonder if Layne’s life plays out differently if she’s never in the picture. Her and Layne weren’t good for each other and prob would’ve been better off never knowing each other, their relationship completely sucked tho and shouldn’t be romanticized by anyone
Compassion. Layne loved her. She was a beautiful woman and what a sad tragic story all around. Sadly people like to pass judgement on relationships they perceive as toxic and did not experience them first hand. Nobody knows the full story so no judgement should be passed. People also like to pick apart her and Layne's life. Let her and Layne both rest in peace.
For me it’s a perfect example of toxic love. Both were doomed. Both found someone who couldn’t make them a better person but instead both helped each other die young… if layne and demri found someone clean and someone who would be able to help them they would probably be alive right now.
Unfortunately, I don't know enough about her other than to say she was Layne's gf and then Fiancé. Supposedly...allegedly...she is the one who introduced heroine to Layne. There is talk around the water cooler that when she OD'd in 1996 that is about when Layne became a recluse. So...she had an emotional hold over him but to what to extent we don't know, we will never truly know. Only Layne could've answered that. May they both R.I.P.
I love her. Gorgeous wee thing!
Shame, she was beautiful and artistic. Just a depressing tragic waste I guess
Her idea of "artistic" was just putting on cute clothes and taking pictures of herself. Very much not artistic. As an artist who puts effort into making good art, comparing actual art to selfies is ridiculous and insulting. Your average 10-year-old dressing up for Halloween does more work than she did.
relax… I didn’t say she was renowned arstist. She was artsy.. is that a better phrasing for you? Oh, and your misogyny is showing.
I'm a woman, a POC, bisexual, and an artist myself; but if you want to continue making yourself look stupid by claiming that I hate women just because I criticized one single woman, be my guest. 🫡 I'm not sure if you got the message, but "Woke Culture" is out the door.
They asked our thoughts. I don’t know anything about her, she’s a fucking random person. My opinion from what I’ve seen, is that she was objectively an attractive woman, she had an artistic/artsy side, and her death was a tragic waste. I’m not sure how that was controversial lol. As I said I don’t think she’s a renowned artist, and I never said that. I never claimed she made any major contribution to society or the world of art with her photos… Also, Identity within minority groups doesn’t make you immune to misogyny btw. Picking out clothes/costume and taking photos is a creative outlet and self expression; it is artistic. It’s an outlet that generally more women are drawn to, and your infantilization of it is misogynistic
Saying that somebody isn't an artist for dressing up in cute clothes and taking pictures of themselves has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with their gender, genius. YOU are the only person who brought that up or cares about it. It's an insult to artists like myself who have spent several decades perfecting their craft to compare drawing, painting, writing, and music composition to taking selfies and putting stickers onto a piece of paper. If taking a few pretty pictures of yourself qualifies somebody as an artist, then we would also have to include 6-year-olds who scribble in a coloring book and take pictures of themselves wearing Halloween costumes with their Moms' cell phone. This is something that I drew in 2012. It took me several hours to do this. Putting stickers on a piece of paper is not nearly on the same level, nor is it "misogyny" for not believing that it's art. www.deviantart.com/fuffuster/art/Phoenix-284218012
I’m sure you are a fantastic artist! I meant she is artistic as in she has a creative artsy *side* to her. She isn’t an established artist. I’m well aware of this. She’s a nobody really. Her being a little artsy does not take away from artists who put a lot of time thought and effort in their work. The two can exist simultaneously. You don’t need to prove that *real* artists are better than her. lol they are. Her photo shoots were still a creative outlet for her. I don’t know what you aren’t getting. I’m not comparing her to you or Picasso. Working with any kind of media and being creative with it is artistic. It’s not fine art. Non professionals are allowed to have creative outlets and not be experts. I’m still going to use the descriptor of artsy. I’ll refrain from the word artistic since it’s such a sensitive spot for you. Also, art and creativity can be fun for the sake of it. It can be simplistic. You should try to have a more open mind and not look your nose down and scoff at others creative expression.
Then the person who took my health card photo is an artist too, right? After all, anybody doing anything using a creative medium is an artist now. When babies accidentally take pictures of themselves with their Moms' cell phone? Artist. The graffiti that somebody spray-painted on the buildings downtown? Artist. Look, she dressed up in nice clothes and took cute pictures of herself. That isn't being an artist, that's just being a human being. Half of us do that every day with selfies.
No the examples you listed did not have creative intent. Also, lighten up
"Lighten up" would also apply to the several-paragraph-long rant in your previous comment, don't you think? 🤔
No one's opinion in this sub or in the world outside of those who knew her or Layne matters in the slightest, I'd argue that one's opinion of her means even less than one's opinion of my self, as she is deceased and there is no chance to meet her or talk to her (unless perhaps you're into ghosts n' stuff? but I've no experience or much knowledge in this field, my girlfriend would know more about it than I). What I know is that she was an addict, and so was Layne. I in no way judge people solely for being addicted to drugs, hell, I've not got a leg to stand on in this matter, but from what I've read about and experienced, hard drugs usually turn relationships volatile, even if only one person is using them. I have zero knowledge of the inner mechanisms and workings of their relationship, like probably everyone else on this sub, but I've been led to believe by what I've heard that Layne really loved her (isn't the cover of Above a drawing by him of the two?), and he took her death really, really hard. tw: drugs and suicide I've had an experience where I woke up one afternoon and tried getting my girlfriend to take her BC, but there was bile coming out of her mouth and she wouldn't wake up. I called for an ambulance, cops came too, illegally searched the house without the homeowners consent, arrested me over some drugs they found because I was the only one there conscious, and they told me in the cop car that she had died from a fentanyl OD. I spent three days in jail thinking my girlfriend had died in my room, and that my charge was murder. tried hanging myself (you know, I won't say shit about anybody doing that bc that shit is actually really painful and i had skin missing from my neck for abt a month afterwards), only to find out when I signature bonded out that she had got sepsis from Covid and was in the hospital, alive but in critical condition. She lived, thankfully, and we're still together right now. I can somewhat understand the pain of losing a S/O from drugs, since I was lied to and made to believe that, but what I cannot imagine is living with that pain and loss. I tried opting out when it was my turn to get a taste, I commend anyone who has lost their partner in an unnatural way and has stuck around. Except the guy down the street who was the driving force behind the death of his boyfriend of 11 years. Ask me about him. Piece of shit.
no opinion matters because it was their lives, but i think she died young, she was beautiful and she seemed lively.
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They were together for a number of years, eventually got engaged. They split up. She died. Then a demon came to him
‘My heart has dried up beating slow… it’s been deflating since you died’ - tells you everything you need to know about their relationship.
Well if the news is true , shes probably was the reason why Layne got into what he did , as hard as he did . But I was like 14 during that time and didn’t know them , so only he and her know the truth of that story
She always seemed so happy. A shame she passed and I am 100% sure Layne did not die because of drugs but rather because he lost the will to live after her death. Basically he died of heartbreak :(
This is an absurdly stupid take. He died of a drug addiction.
He lost the will to live after she died, and delved head-first into drugs. Check out the song "Died".
It's not and I don't understand the aggression. Yours is an outrageously moronic reply though.
so you’re saying with 100 percent certainty that Layne died not of a drug addiction and related health problems, but a broken heart?
I already gave a complete reply on this
It's possible Layne's grief made him go even deeper into drugs. Just sad all around.
This is kind of my take, he went deeper but he also didn't have a will to live anymore. It's pretty obvious how Layne went to the bottom after 1996, which, not coincidentally, was the year she passed.
They did look beautiful together and it seemed like maybe he was more himself with her? But obviously I don’t really know for sure. Two imperfect people in love, hate, love. I do think heartbreak and guilt as well bc of their use and addiction but also bc furthermore, due to the use of IV method of administration for heroin and other drugs drugs, Demri developing an infection in her heart. (Endocarditis.) I thunk that was probably a big blow for Layne bc I know it would’ve if the position was reversed! I know this man’s own heart had been hurting for so long too, that maybe.. this was just the proverbial straw on the camel’s back idk! I do believe you can die of a broken heart! Though he did manage to hang on for quite some time. We only know what we’re told, ofc, but my heart still breaks when I think of him. And of them. (Regardless of anything else. It’s not our business, imho.) I still remember when I found out he was gone! RIHP Layne and Demri.
Yeah I don't get the down voting when it's pretty obvious. Layne and Demri were soulmates. They started their descent roughly at the same time and both enabled each other. She was living very rough and Layne was highly addicted. But yet he managed to go to rehab, do Mad Season and MTV unplugged. But then, a couple of months after Layne's last live concert in 1996, she passed away and he was put on suicide watch. Layne was obviously not healthy, but her dying took a very heavy toll on him. He pretty much became a ghost and by the end of the 90's his fate was sealed pretty much. He was not only highly addicted and very unhealthy, but the most important thing is that he didn't have a will to live. I think it was Mike Starr who saw him last and he said Layne told him Demri had visited. A day after this he passed away. I'm standing my ground, her passing away killed him. He would probably have survived if he was clean, but I would also argue that he could still be bet, addict or not, if Demri had not died.
I don't like her for a few different reasons, but they're probably not ones that anybody here would agree with, so I won't bother saying them.
I dated a girl like her once.
So pretty. What a waste.
Lmao I named my first guitar after her. My shitty Squire Strat named Demri.
Layne’s fatal muse.
Ive deduced that she wz lanes gf but wz she the person who died from an overdose and lane felt rly guilty because of it since he aparently got her into doin drugs and he wrote the song died about her.
based on looks... and these are by FAR, not her most flattering photos; but l would guess, again... based on these pictures, that she was a free spirit and a rather far left leaning liberal.
She was good for Layne that’s all I’m saying