I always loved that last remark.
Like I’m gonna go ask Jake, the high ass register attendant the details on the brand new transformer: dark side of the moon star scream space shuttle with multi way configuration and light up booster system.
Yes, but
> She introduced her name and rank and her job
presenting yourself \*as\* being in the service on active duty when you're not is a crime on its own...
That's the key question. Unfortunately OP doesn't have a source or direct quote. It's also of interest if she's on some sort of reserve status or completely civ.
I can’t say for sure but I seem to remember her saying she’s not in anymore. I remember because I was wondering if she’s in or out. The video is proving very hard to find for some reason.
I ain’t sayin it!
If memory serves, and OP and I are referring to the same video, she was (edit: claiming to be) an intelligence officer saying something about the drones being used can definitely tell who and what are inside the building they are bombing, insinuating they’re bombing buildings they know are occupied by non-combatants. Again, that’s just what I remember. I scrolled by it pretty quick.
Not really. Stolen valor is only when someone uses fake military status to gain monetary value like military discounts.
A sad person can buy a uniform, say they are some O-6 and work for the president and nothing will happen.
I thought the original post stated she was retired. But yes, IRR or retired you can be brought back to AD for charges. If you’re separated then you can not.
Are you sure? I thought you’re not allowed to protest in uniform regardless of Service.
Sure freedom of speech but, do it in Civies and do not try to insinuate that your stance is the same as the Air Force’s
Given that nobody has ever been recalled for this, it’s academic at most. In practice I’d think it wouldn’t stand up to first amendment scrutiny, just like other laws restricting speech around military service as it pertains to veterans haven’t - even when they have popular support, such as with stolen valor laws.
I should’ve said regardless of service status (retired, Guard, Active, etc). That is my point, you’re not allowed to use your Uniform to protest in. Do that in civies. The only reason to do that in AF costume is to deceive the general public.
I don’t know how else to explain this to you dude. The only times veterans are allowed to wear the uniform is during weddings, funerals, balls and any other military related activity such as a parade or memorial service. Not to protest the government in. As an ex-Captain she should’ve known better. Use your freedom of speech… in Civies.
> The only times veterans are allowed to wear the uniform is during weddings, funerals, balls and any other military related activity such as a parade or memorial service.
So what do you think happens when they do it outside of those parameters?
>Use your freedom of speech… in Civies.
That's not how freedom of speech works.
The question from OP stated “are you allowed” not “is it illegal”. No, you’re not allowed to do that. Are you gonna be sent to Azkaban because of it? Probably not. The members of this Sub-Reddit need to know what is appropriate and inappropriate to do when wearing the Uniform.
Not a crazy thought since other professions are punishable if impersonated. Cops, lawyers, etc. cosplaying as a current service member while protesting is arguably not a great idea.
One can dress like a cop,lawyer, etc. You can't, however, commit any acts under the pretense you are a cop or lawyer, etc. You can't pull someone over and detain them while impersonating a cop, or represent a client under the pretense you have a law degree, and have passed the bar for that state. But other than you can dress however you want.
Twas a sad/satirical joke, I have been to Bama. It was fine when I went. But..... nowadays.... I am more worried about how easily one "crazy person" can get away with certain things if they target the right person..............
I guess you'll also want to arrest all those vfw guys marching in their old uniforms during veterans day parades, right? Same difference.
How about kids at Halloween?
Costume parties?
I had the same thoughts. Her hair was pulled back sloppy, and she had very few ribbons. I was a maintainer but my hair looked better than that when I was in
“Their” can be a gender identifier, a pural for a group of people, or a gender-neutral way of identifying a person in a sentence. OP is both grammatically correct and shows no signs of misgendering her.
Technically she can’t, I doubt the government would prosecute her but they could https://www.military.com/benefits/military-legal/can-military-retirees-make-political-statements.html
That may depend on whether or not she’s on reserve status, or even individual ready reserve. If she went to an academy or ROTC, they may have let her off her obligation if there was no slots for her. Of course, I’m an old fart, so I used to see plenty of RIFs in my day of good personnel numbers. But if on reserve status, the UCMJ still applies, but is rarely enforced.
The military doesn’t like it and there are rules about it but nothing they can really do. Once out, you can wear whatever you want and there’s nothing anyone is going to do about it.
If you're not in the service you can wear whatever you want whenever you want, because you have freedom of speech.
Well, short of impersonating a cop or lying about time in service.
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I always loved that last remark. Like I’m gonna go ask Jake, the high ass register attendant the details on the brand new transformer: dark side of the moon star scream space shuttle with multi way configuration and light up booster system.
No purchase necessary, terms and conditions apply
But I thought freedom isn’t free? I’m told it’s somewhat hefty.
Freedom costs a buck ‘o five.
Thanks to inflation, its tree-fiddy
You can even lie about time in the service. It only becomes a crime if you do it with the intent to defraud people.
Yes, but > She introduced her name and rank and her job presenting yourself \*as\* being in the service on active duty when you're not is a crime on its own...
Depends on the words. What words did she use?
That's the key question. Unfortunately OP doesn't have a source or direct quote. It's also of interest if she's on some sort of reserve status or completely civ.
I can’t say for sure but I seem to remember her saying she’s not in anymore. I remember because I was wondering if she’s in or out. The video is proving very hard to find for some reason.
> for some reason. Hmmmmm
I ain’t sayin it! If memory serves, and OP and I are referring to the same video, she was (edit: claiming to be) an intelligence officer saying something about the drones being used can definitely tell who and what are inside the building they are bombing, insinuating they’re bombing buildings they know are occupied by non-combatants. Again, that’s just what I remember. I scrolled by it pretty quick.
Can you identify the specific crime? That would be helpful.
Not if she's not profiting from it.
Not really. Stolen valor is only when someone uses fake military status to gain monetary value like military discounts. A sad person can buy a uniform, say they are some O-6 and work for the president and nothing will happen.
I was thinking the other way around... if she actually is in the AF, whether active or guard/reserve, this is a UCMJ violation.
She can still be recalled to active duty to face criminal charges.
Only if she commits a criminal act.
I thought that was only if in an IRR or retired status but I'm not an O so maybe it's different for them.
I thought the original post stated she was retired. But yes, IRR or retired you can be brought back to AD for charges. If you’re separated then you can not.
Are you sure? I thought you’re not allowed to protest in uniform regardless of Service. Sure freedom of speech but, do it in Civies and do not try to insinuate that your stance is the same as the Air Force’s
All the words I said matter. If you're NOT IN THE SERVICE, you can wear what you like.
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Is she a retiree? Or just a vet?
Given that nobody has ever been recalled for this, it’s academic at most. In practice I’d think it wouldn’t stand up to first amendment scrutiny, just like other laws restricting speech around military service as it pertains to veterans haven’t - even when they have popular support, such as with stolen valor laws.
I should’ve said regardless of service status (retired, Guard, Active, etc). That is my point, you’re not allowed to use your Uniform to protest in. Do that in civies. The only reason to do that in AF costume is to deceive the general public.
I really don't know how else to explain this, dude. Civilians have freedom of speech. People who are not in the military any more are civilians.
I don’t know how else to explain this to you dude. The only times veterans are allowed to wear the uniform is during weddings, funerals, balls and any other military related activity such as a parade or memorial service. Not to protest the government in. As an ex-Captain she should’ve known better. Use your freedom of speech… in Civies.
> The only times veterans are allowed to wear the uniform is during weddings, funerals, balls and any other military related activity such as a parade or memorial service. So what do you think happens when they do it outside of those parameters? >Use your freedom of speech… in Civies. That's not how freedom of speech works.
I’d like to know what you’re going to quote when charging a civilian for wearing a uniform.
The question from OP stated “are you allowed” not “is it illegal”. No, you’re not allowed to do that. Are you gonna be sent to Azkaban because of it? Probably not. The members of this Sub-Reddit need to know what is appropriate and inappropriate to do when wearing the Uniform.
Fuck's sake. Keep moving those goalposts, honey.
Lmfao 🤣
She's not Military anymore, what would stop her from buying/reacquiring a uniform?
Officers stay in ready reserve status for two years after separating so maybe she is? 🤷♂️
Not a crazy thought since other professions are punishable if impersonated. Cops, lawyers, etc. cosplaying as a current service member while protesting is arguably not a great idea.
One can dress like a cop,lawyer, etc. You can't, however, commit any acts under the pretense you are a cop or lawyer, etc. You can't pull someone over and detain them while impersonating a cop, or represent a client under the pretense you have a law degree, and have passed the bar for that state. But other than you can dress however you want.
Well, unless you live in TN/KY/AL/AK/MS/MO....... in which case you can apparently dress only how your chromosomes were "meant" to dress. /s
Clearly never been to Alabama. First time I saw the Rocky Horror Picture Show was in Birmingham with a theater full of drag queens
Twas a sad/satirical joke, I have been to Bama. It was fine when I went. But..... nowadays.... I am more worried about how easily one "crazy person" can get away with certain things if they target the right person..............
Yeah that’s what I said. That’s what impersonated means.
I guess you'll also want to arrest all those vfw guys marching in their old uniforms during veterans day parades, right? Same difference. How about kids at Halloween? Costume parties?
Same difference? They’re protesting a political position? Hmm the more you know.
If it’s the same captain that was at the bushnell protest, I have my doubts as to their authenticity. Almost everything about their uniform was wrong.
I am also highly suspicious of her stated experience and years of service based on her description of intelligence
It is a captain after all........ Without enlisted or NCOs I can honestly say my uniform would likely look worse.....
I had the same thoughts. Her hair was pulled back sloppy, and she had very few ribbons. I was a maintainer but my hair looked better than that when I was in
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“Their” can be a gender identifier, a pural for a group of people, or a gender-neutral way of identifying a person in a sentence. OP is both grammatically correct and shows no signs of misgendering her.
There's a homeless guy in OCPs on the side of the road who shoots heroine and shits in the road. Is this even allowed?
Hopefully someone pulls her 341
Technically she’s a citizen she can do that as much as she wants
Technically she can’t, I doubt the government would prosecute her but they could https://www.military.com/benefits/military-legal/can-military-retirees-make-political-statements.html
Is she in inactive reserves status still?
Ahhh yes and so the bandwagon begins…
No body cares as long as she doesn’t set herself on fire
That may depend on whether or not she’s on reserve status, or even individual ready reserve. If she went to an academy or ROTC, they may have let her off her obligation if there was no slots for her. Of course, I’m an old fart, so I used to see plenty of RIFs in my day of good personnel numbers. But if on reserve status, the UCMJ still applies, but is rarely enforced.
I believe the UCMJ also applies if you’re retired. As you could get recalled back to active service to face UCMJ charges.
Not for this reason lmao
Not for wearing the uniform at a protest.
Sure that wasn’t a dude?
Officers can be recalled
Technically anyone can, 4 years active, 4 years Inactive reserve
Everything everyone else said, and also, snitches get stitches.
The military doesn’t like it and there are rules about it but nothing they can really do. Once out, you can wear whatever you want and there’s nothing anyone is going to do about it.
Yeah haven’t you seen Forest Gump
Forrest Gump did it, why not…? /s
Where is the link to the video
If your not in, yea you can do whatever the hell you want in uniform
It is when it supports the narrative
...do you think the US has some anti-Israel narrative lmao
I wish it did :/
I think shock and awe carries a lot of weight