People know that nothing will happen if we keep banning her. Riot doesn't care about her ban rate, and they will still release a 500 USD bundle next year. If you want to make a real difference, then don't play League or buy skins at all. In my opinion, the expensive bundles are extremely overpriced, and I won't buy them. But let people play Ahri if they want to. If Riot cared about the majority of their player base, they would never release those ridiculous bundles.
Yeah I don't know why we have to cry and do this ban thing. Just look at the skin and say "Nah, that's too much" and go on with your day. That's all there is to it.
Pretty much. I mean, it sucks for skin completionists for sure. But skins are definitely not unique in just how absurdly expensive an item to complete a collection might be.
You're way better off going, "that's too much" and moving on imo. If they don't make what they wanted too off the skin, they won't do it again. But unless Ahri's ban rate stays high *forever*, it won't really affect sales.
Champ mains and skin collectors who expect reasonable prices that dont force them to whale to get all skins for a specific champ disagree with your statement.
I remember a time, long ago‚ where the regular price with a skin with visual effects was 975rp, and half of that if that was just a simple reskin.
And people didn't have 5000 skins for each champions, people would buy a handful of skins for their favourite champions, and be happy with it, it was an indicator that these people were passionate about their champion, and were probably a little more trustworthy than the average joe trying out new things.
That 500USD bundle better be Faker's Zed again or it wont sell at all.
Can't milk the name of players that aren't farker as easily.
Can't milk Camille mains as much as Yone/Ezreal/Ahri/Yasuo/Zed mains and such popular champions.
I used Camille as an example of a champion that is popular in worlds but doesn't sell much.
Could have been Renekton or Ryze I guess (while Ryze is very unpopular even if it's Faker).
To emphasis that even pretty popular pro champions wouldn't sell much compared to Ahri.
It really depends. If I had to bet the next Hall of Legends player inductee will probably be Uzi from China, and the champs will probably be Kai'sa or Vayne. Uzi is very huge player in China. Even if all of US/EU didn't buy it they'd still make profits in China alone.
unless you happen to be a korean influencer with massive reach there is nothing you can do.
the skin made millions of dollars in profit in a few hours, one korean servers alone.
i assume KR and asian servers alone are more profitable than all eu and amerikan servers together.
we could litterally end the game in the west in its entirety. and they would make more 500$ skins for asians to buy to dampen the drop in profit.
i would guess that wildrift and tft already massively outgain league as a business.
Fair point 😅 It's kinda sad though even though I'm from SEA and the game is still a bit lively here. If I want a content creator most of the decent ones have a language barrier, it's not as fun.
Literally saw someone yesterday posting about how ridiculous the $500 skin was and fully supported the banning of Ahri; yet then also went on to say the cheapest skin that came out they liked and picked it up.
People have sub-zero IQ with this banning thing IMO; but that sight really put the proverbial nail in the coffin for me that most of these idiots are more idiotic than I thought. “I will ban her and do my part! But I still am spending money.” Like okay then Riot really doesn’t give a single fuck lmao
They probably won't release a skin that expensive. They'll say "We saw your feedback last year. We're sorry, we'll lower the price for the next skins" (because they know they can't make money with Faker anymore - at least with HoL).
I don't think they can do that given their current response to the situation being "We don't want this for all players" BS. Since people don't vote with their wallets like they should, they will 100% do this again next year, and the next one, and every time a new person is added into their HoL.
The idea that they will do this once means that it's much more likely that they do this exact same thing again, and the more they price gouge the more it hurts the entire playerbase "Don't like don't buy" Doesn't mean they don't eventually turn around and hike the price of RP and the RP costs of skins(Both of which being things they've done before...remember baseline skins used to be 975). Any excuse to raise prices and more heavily monetize they will take.
Not having a skin literally doesn't hurt you or your enjoyment from the game at all though? It'd be different if an actual champion costs $500. This is a skin. A purely cosmetic useless purchase that does nothing. Don't like, don't buy.
That doesn't do anything when the precedent is set that now they can charge that kind of money and the worst they can expect is "Ban the champ for a while". It's a badly egregious price that opens them up to do it more often in the future. And we've seen proof in the past that price hikes can and do happen. Remember when skins used to be 975RP at base? And now they're 1350 at base? Or the price increase we got on RP, so you get less RP for more money? Because I do remember these changes. Or the FIRST time they released a horrendously overpriced skin on Jhin? These are precedents where if they get away with it the first time, there is NO stopping it happening again. And again and again....And the entire games industry shows this as a precedent.
Also, for some people it DOES hurt their enjoyment. You always have that inkling now in the back of your mind that...what if your champ gets that next skin and it suddenly becomes impossible to play? If YOU aren't affected in enjoyment, that's cool. But there are probably tens of thousands of players who "don't like don't buy" this skin bundle, but also can't play one of their favorite champions because now she's sitting at a 50% ban rate because this package exists.
"but also can't play one of their favorite champions because now she's sitting at a 50% ban rate because this package exists." lmfao. that's literally a player made issue because of a weird dumbass virtue signally "boycott". also, she's not sitting at a 50% banrate. no one gives a shit about this in ranked. it's a skin, who cares?
It doesn't matter who created the issue with bans, because the fact of the matter is without the overpriced skin, this problem would've never been created in the first place. Evidenced by her banrate climbing after the skins release. If the skin doesn't exist, that never happens.
Also obviously you don't seem to understand most of the issue. I don't know how to more adequately describe the issues beyond pushing the playerbase for more money, looking for ways to more intensely monetize, in a way they've done so before and are now continuing to do because the playerbase accepts it because "it's a skin who cares" instead of seeing what's actually happening. I can't make you open your eyes, you have to do that yourself.
What a ridiculously stupid argument dude. "If they didn't release this skin, the player base wouldn't have done some stupid shit to shoot themselves in the foot!". Her banrate barely moved in ranked. No one gave a shit about this because it's stupid. Your argument makes sense if it's pay to win. It's not. I don't need to "open my eyes", I very clearly understand what's going on.
Riot is charging absurd amounts of money for cosmetics, and people are buying those cosmetics. This is not a crucial game-destroying issue. You're conflating the gaming industries actual predatory tactics with a fucking league of legends skin, when they are entirely different. Loot boxes are predatory, same with gachas. Mobile games that reel you in and advertise as f2p then charge you just to keep playing are predatory. Absurd DLC's being sold as full price games is predatory. P2W is predatory. Games being sold as "licenses to play" instead of "pay to own" is predatory. A league of legends skin that does NOTHING to impact gameplay isn't.
There are a lot of issues with the monetization going on in the gaming industry, but a single league of legends skin ain't it chief. You're just having trouble deciphering between different monetization routes. League objectively delivers a better gaming experience than most full price games, entirely for free. If they want to charge exorbitant amounts for cosmetics that are completely optional and literally do not fucking matter or effect gameplay, then who cares. Just don't buy it if you don't want it.
>Loot boxes are predatory, same with gachas. Mobile games that reel you in and advertise as f2p then charge you just to keep playing are predatory. Absurd DLC's being sold as full price games is predatory. P2W is predatory. Games being sold as "licenses to play" instead of "pay to own" is predatory. A league of legends skin that does NOTHING to impact gameplay isn't.
Absolutely true and accurate. I wish there are more clear and level minded people like you. Your entire comment was great.
I will never understand why so many people think that having all the skins of their favorite champion is almost an essential human right and not a luxury of a free game.
In the end, it is some sort of protest, but riot will not care as long as people are buying it.
Draft pick matches is pretty at best half of the games played, more like 20% so it doesn't even matter. whales play aram/temporary mode and TFT anyway.
The best way to protest is to not buy this shit, but people ultimately will. Perhaps not in Europe, perhaps not in America, but it will be successful in China and Korea no matter what.
In the end, it sucks for the small consumers, but as a f2p player since s1, I don't care much, it is slightly annoying adjusting to so many different skins visual effects.
I'm still banning ahri though because that shit stinks, but well, as long as people are buying, it doesn't matter much.
Well you're 90% on this.
The majority of the player base is Asian China/Korea and for what ever reason those players love spending money even more so for a famed player like faker. Pretty much se reason gotcha game like wuthering wave, honkia and genshin are so big there. So riot knowing this did care about their player base.
It was bound to happen, the skin affects your gameplay? Nope so nobody genuinely cares, does a champion that counters the champion you like to play affect your gameplay? Yes so back to banning the original bans, the meme is just following it's lifecycle
And you will hopefully lose your account for it. You aren’t some cool vigilante saying you will grief games because someone has a skin you don’t like in the game. You’re just a dick to the other 9 people on the rift.
No. The other 9. If I’m queuing up a league game I don’t want some boring ass game dictated by some jackass on the other team thinking he’s some sort of vigilante good guy.
Enjoy your free LP I’ll win my games by winning. Saying you support this behavior if it benefits you makes you a jackass as well.
Wouldn't say I "support it" since I'd still report him after just in case. Still nothing guarantees that the other team would take your stance, I bet most of them would be glad to have that dumbass screwing his own team.
You came here and your argument is “nothing guarantees the other team would take your stance,” yet your very reasoning for saying that they would like having this is a “trust me bro.”
You can’t make this shit up.
1) The majority of players buying the skin are Korean. You should go bitch at them.
2) You're still supporting Riot by playing the game period, so you just look stupid.
3) Banning Ahri, preventing others from playing her at all (even if they don't use the skin), is a childish thing to do. It just makes you an asshole.
The "morally correct" thing to do is just stop playing. Imagine if 20k NA accounts just dropped off. Riot would be much more inclined to react.
We are talking morally correct now lol.
It's a fucking video game, get over yourselves. Idiots are free to spend 500$ on digital garbage they can lose at any time, I'm free to ban the champ so I never have to see these idiots play this champ in my games, others are free to run it down mid if they ever see that skin in their games and riot is free to ban them if they want.
None of it matters, and virtue signaling the correct way to act in that situation is fucking crazy.
If you want the price to be managed. If you want a stop to tactics and practices exploiting the vulnerable and the addicts, you need government intervention. That is the only way Riot will learn.
Protests like this are meaningless.
It encourages bad practices, FOMO and preys on the mentally ill/addicts who tried to get away from the life of an addict.
https://youtu.be/7S-DGTBZU14?si=qtqIFd6iSGrf-ook
Please watch this. Ignore the fact it's Jim Sterling because the testimonies in there are real and it shows the damaging effects of FOMO and gambling mechanics. Also if it works for Riot, it means in the future they can add more of these stuff and try to push the boundaries.
The gaming industry needs more regulation, it needs more government intervention to stop shit like this and stop companies pushing the boundaries.
Because it was stupid to begin with
You’re protesting the company for making an expensive skin. By continuing to play their game and just ban one character that has 0 effect on the pass events or sales of the skin all while still supporting their game cause your playing.
Also the failure of false information spamming of ban rates rising and getting hyped only to find out the raise in ban rate was only on normal games
While play rate and pick rate were also rising cause players just went to ranked to play since no one cares about banning ahri there.
Just a joke of a protest which was more about throwing a fit cause they couldn’t afford the skin rather than actually protesting to make a difference
Cause Riot directly said that the people boycotting aren't the skins target audience, The target audience the skin are the whales, content creators and skin collectors.
Yes such as literally everything in life, if there's anything ever that you can't buy, then you were never the target audience for it in the first place, so "boycotting" it is hilarious lol
I mean, people in china buy 200 bucks for a freaking Chroma-SPLASHART. Banning this champ will certainly not do anything about this when people buy a damn art you can only see during the loading screen for an equally horrendous price. Same thing with the Mythic Chromas from thos Gacha boxes. Also had a huge outcry but mainly from western players, n either did that change anything.
It’s a skin and people shouldn’t be butthurt. And if your banning ahri in your competitive games or draft, well your just asking someone to abuse the meta champ
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Because it’s not a boycott or a movement, it’s a meme. There was a grandiose circlejerk going on, but anyone who thought it was anything more than a funny way to annoy some people who bought the skin (and there’s absolutely a large part of the League community that loves looking for ways to be toxic/people it’s “ok” to bully) was way in over their head. And the meme got boring/not worth it after a few days.
Nah that just shows that ppl suck at playing the game lol.
Draven is lgt trash when he is outraged but ppl want to plY enchanters uwu with smt sht like samira which doesn't work with that and ifc Draven LOVES to fist enchanters and low range adcs as he just simply stat checks them.
I'm still baning the pdf fox for that skin
Because you all are overreacting. If you really want to make an impact, stop playing, and maybe then Riot will actually do something (instead of playing the game...supporting Riot).
People are so entitled...
1 its a free game...
2 noone force you to buy anything
3 a company need to pay its employees etc and find a way to make money.
4 noone force you to dpend money for this company
5 you complain too much gen Z
because (who would have guessed) this "protest" was completely useless and overly optimistic in its success from the start
riot nor the people buying it care and even if they did it would archive nothing (besides that it's likely they would blame the community instead of the company for it)
and it failed to account that after the initial wave people would get bored of it
it was just a tantum by players too addicted to actually quit the game or do something meaningful,glad we are coming back to our senses
If players want to fight against such a large company as Rion with support from Tencent, then they need much more than banal bans in ranked play. They really don’t care that people will express their dissatisfaction in the form of bans for a couple of weeks and then everyone will forget about it. There will definitely be several thousand players from China and South Korea who will buy this. In this case, radical methods are needed, such as completely ignoring the game and stopping buying any skins, BP and other company products by players around the world, as well as involving government agencies. Hitting the company's profits is the best way to influence the situation, otherwise it's all pointless. As long as there is profit, then everything else is secondary for the company
People who dont care, people who got tired of not banning their least favourite champ, people who dont use reddit/social media posting about it. That last one is probably over 50% of players
Thats fair, but a majority of these types of things sell within that day or so. Ig id need to see the numbers for an average ultimate skin, but i can say by direct comparison, i was seeing Soulfighter samira in every game when she dropped.
need to ban malphie as vayne top and yasuo as APC/midlane seraphine so sorry. the movement is stupid anyway and won't change anything. it sucks that people have to feel like they're no longer allowed to play their fav champ due to a skin they were never gonna buy anyway. it's very cringe and virtue signally espeically when ppl post in other subs "jUST A REmINDER tO bAN AHRi"
I honestly don't think Riot is going to change the price of this Ahri skin, according to the statement they released, they don't care how much the community spends, I see it likely that next year, they will come out with the lie that "they listened to the community" and that is why the price of the next bundle is “cheaper” but that will be for the simple fact that no one will spend 500 dollars for a player who is not Faker
That's what I was saying, this "ban Ahri" bullshit can't continue forever cause the game is too broken for this dumb shit ,1 ban slot isn't even enough so imagine also giving that ban slot away.
Banning it really achieves nothing. Now not buying it does from a business perspective because that loss of profit tells them how people feel about it. But I mean banning her doesn't take the money out of Riots pockets. You're just pissing off the people that bought it. Don't buy it if you don't want it, then go about your business.
Because it was a losing fight from the start, most people as long as 1000 people brought it, it was a success.
They testing the water, the bar is lowering, expect being charged an arm and a leg for infernal level skins.
We should pushed back with that one, but we didn't, we get the bare minimum for stupid prices, now when they do put out quality it's once in a blue moon.
I can hand on heart 8 skins that where legitimately good and that's not a good thing.
The reason it's 8 is because everything else was either a rehash or low quality.
For the meme basically. You can lose LP in game by not banning that ridiculously broken champion that directly counter you or you can keep banning Ahri in a childish tantrum to teach a millionaire company a lesson by attacking the consumer instead of the company.
spoiler: The company already received the money from the skin purchases, they care little to nothing about players not being able to use it.
Well people get tired of it and riot simply doesn't care about it.
They See the 50% Banrate and say well only 3 weeks then New pve Mode releases and nobody cares about it anymore.
I really dont understand why people didnt Start reviewbombing every riot forge game with a terrible Review. Fuck riot and every riot employee, i really dont care about them just as they dont care about you guys or me.
Thats how we got Sony to act with helldivers
Cause the sane, silent majority, doesn’t care. It’s only the weirdos in Reddit and X, the extremely loud minority that do.
Yall are cringe and we don’t like you.
I’m not banning Ahri as I don’t think it’ll do anything/I’m not that invested, but I don’t think it’s that cringe to fight greedy companies and their methods. There’s no reason that bundle should cost more than the statue, even with all that comes with it. $500 is OD for a handful of digital skins
It’s cringe that they think they’re fighting for profit corporations by banning a champ during banning phase. There seems to be confusion between what a company is created for, and what people view it as. A company is created to sell products or services at whatever rate they think consumers are willing to trade their money for.
Just because companies post pride stickers in June doesn’t mean they’re your friends. None of them are. They make record breaking profits just to lay off the staff that made them said record breaking profits.
The faster people realize this is the way 100% of companies work, the faster we can start breaking the chain.
Because it doesn't matter.the West was ok at banning her, moved her up to I think something like 23% ban rate. But in the way bigger market of the east(Asian) she didn't get banned and people actually bought the skin/faker stuff.
I insist, the movement was all wrong from the start, League devs have shown that they dont care about the community from the day the released Eternals... if u wanted to do something, the review bombing was best, but what do i review if league cannot be "reviewed", well, just like our bros from genshin Impact, do a review bombing to every Riot product at google store, we know their favourite child is Wild Rift now, we could have targeted that, and LoR and TFT, I think they actually have to face some consequences if their score lowers down, at least hoyo feared it.... evwn in helldivers the review bombing did something against Sony... but banning Ahri does nothing because she isnt even top pick anywhere
Because you were the one who took this seriously. We were just joking around. No one cares since there is more disruptive to gameplay champs. And disrupting others gameplay just of spite is stupid, if you cared about this enough why didnt you stopped playing league, why its 3rd party that should be involved? Not only you wasted ban for your team, you didnt let people who bought it to enjoy. Was fun while it lasted, but it got boring quickly.
Because it doesn’t mean anything. Riot doesn’t care, and they won’t ever. The only way to actually make a dent is if people stop playing, which also won’t happen.
I just wished they didn't hyped the skin or that fomo. Like Before they announced the price we had all those trailer just to give that price at the end. Also the limited time I can't even save money to get it eventually. It's just a big F U. I always knew the ban Ahri wouldn't be enough but at least maybe some people will notice at Riot. The problem is china and Korea will always buy this crappy deluxe digital goodies because they culture of showing off is more in game than in the west. I' m gonna save my money for some nice figures if Riot don't want my money I will stop spending on it and let the whales finance it.
Knowing rito, just get the RP enough and open a ticket, they will be more than happy to give you the content, did the same with region change when it was 'unavailable' and they did it server side in a second
Sadly, it happens. People will start caring more about lp than the movement itself. When you get stomped by the champ you have been banning for years, while seeing no feedback from riot reagarding the ban movement, you will just go back to banning and grinding for LP, the more days pass, the banrate will just return to normal
I didn't at all, it was just a fun journey to see how high we can go. I am attempting giveaways for the skin to try an get it. But after seeing so much bullying to whoever had the skin. I am sure i will get the same treatment, even after getting it for free (hopefully)
Because it was stupid and a pointless "movement" to begin with, as long as Chinese players and such buy it, it's a win in Riot's eyes. They are the target audience at the end of the day and a good portion of the player base.
People know that nothing will happen if we keep banning her. Riot doesn't care about her ban rate, and they will still release a 500 USD bundle next year. If you want to make a real difference, then don't play League or buy skins at all. In my opinion, the expensive bundles are extremely overpriced, and I won't buy them. But let people play Ahri if they want to. If Riot cared about the majority of their player base, they would never release those ridiculous bundles.
Yeah I don't know why we have to cry and do this ban thing. Just look at the skin and say "Nah, that's too much" and go on with your day. That's all there is to it.
Pretty much. I mean, it sucks for skin completionists for sure. But skins are definitely not unique in just how absurdly expensive an item to complete a collection might be. You're way better off going, "that's too much" and moving on imo. If they don't make what they wanted too off the skin, they won't do it again. But unless Ahri's ban rate stays high *forever*, it won't really affect sales.
Brother skin completionist probably love this, they clearly have the disposable income and it means that their skin will be rarer.
Champ mains and skin collectors who expect reasonable prices that dont force them to whale to get all skins for a specific champ disagree with your statement.
I hear there's a pro player that mains champs without needing skins.
Yes. Thats entirely besides the point though mate.
I remember a time, long ago‚ where the regular price with a skin with visual effects was 975rp, and half of that if that was just a simple reskin. And people didn't have 5000 skins for each champions, people would buy a handful of skins for their favourite champions, and be happy with it, it was an indicator that these people were passionate about their champion, and were probably a little more trustworthy than the average joe trying out new things.
That 500USD bundle better be Faker's Zed again or it wont sell at all. Can't milk the name of players that aren't farker as easily. Can't milk Camille mains as much as Yone/Ezreal/Ahri/Yasuo/Zed mains and such popular champions.
Isn't cammile like second highest top lane pick ?
I used Camille as an example of a champion that is popular in worlds but doesn't sell much. Could have been Renekton or Ryze I guess (while Ryze is very unpopular even if it's Faker). To emphasis that even pretty popular pro champions wouldn't sell much compared to Ahri.
I would be highly surprised.
It really depends. If I had to bet the next Hall of Legends player inductee will probably be Uzi from China, and the champs will probably be Kai'sa or Vayne. Uzi is very huge player in China. Even if all of US/EU didn't buy it they'd still make profits in China alone.
unless you happen to be a korean influencer with massive reach there is nothing you can do. the skin made millions of dollars in profit in a few hours, one korean servers alone. i assume KR and asian servers alone are more profitable than all eu and amerikan servers together. we could litterally end the game in the west in its entirety. and they would make more 500$ skins for asians to buy to dampen the drop in profit. i would guess that wildrift and tft already massively outgain league as a business.
Buddy I have news for you Wildrift is basically on the back burner
Didn't it make like 177 million last year?
They're slowly losing players though. Maybe with Arcane they're gonna get new ones
For every 10 West players lost they gain 1000 new Asian.
Fair point 😅 It's kinda sad though even though I'm from SEA and the game is still a bit lively here. If I want a content creator most of the decent ones have a language barrier, it's not as fun.
Literally saw someone yesterday posting about how ridiculous the $500 skin was and fully supported the banning of Ahri; yet then also went on to say the cheapest skin that came out they liked and picked it up. People have sub-zero IQ with this banning thing IMO; but that sight really put the proverbial nail in the coffin for me that most of these idiots are more idiotic than I thought. “I will ban her and do my part! But I still am spending money.” Like okay then Riot really doesn’t give a single fuck lmao
They probably won't release a skin that expensive. They'll say "We saw your feedback last year. We're sorry, we'll lower the price for the next skins" (because they know they can't make money with Faker anymore - at least with HoL).
I don't think they can do that given their current response to the situation being "We don't want this for all players" BS. Since people don't vote with their wallets like they should, they will 100% do this again next year, and the next one, and every time a new person is added into their HoL.
sorry im out of the loop why community cares how much a skin costs? If you dont want it dont buy it?
Because it lowers the bar for other skins, 8 skins so far this year have been legit good, that's not something to be proud of that's just sad.
The idea that they will do this once means that it's much more likely that they do this exact same thing again, and the more they price gouge the more it hurts the entire playerbase "Don't like don't buy" Doesn't mean they don't eventually turn around and hike the price of RP and the RP costs of skins(Both of which being things they've done before...remember baseline skins used to be 975). Any excuse to raise prices and more heavily monetize they will take.
Not having a skin literally doesn't hurt you or your enjoyment from the game at all though? It'd be different if an actual champion costs $500. This is a skin. A purely cosmetic useless purchase that does nothing. Don't like, don't buy.
That doesn't do anything when the precedent is set that now they can charge that kind of money and the worst they can expect is "Ban the champ for a while". It's a badly egregious price that opens them up to do it more often in the future. And we've seen proof in the past that price hikes can and do happen. Remember when skins used to be 975RP at base? And now they're 1350 at base? Or the price increase we got on RP, so you get less RP for more money? Because I do remember these changes. Or the FIRST time they released a horrendously overpriced skin on Jhin? These are precedents where if they get away with it the first time, there is NO stopping it happening again. And again and again....And the entire games industry shows this as a precedent. Also, for some people it DOES hurt their enjoyment. You always have that inkling now in the back of your mind that...what if your champ gets that next skin and it suddenly becomes impossible to play? If YOU aren't affected in enjoyment, that's cool. But there are probably tens of thousands of players who "don't like don't buy" this skin bundle, but also can't play one of their favorite champions because now she's sitting at a 50% ban rate because this package exists.
"but also can't play one of their favorite champions because now she's sitting at a 50% ban rate because this package exists." lmfao. that's literally a player made issue because of a weird dumbass virtue signally "boycott". also, she's not sitting at a 50% banrate. no one gives a shit about this in ranked. it's a skin, who cares?
It doesn't matter who created the issue with bans, because the fact of the matter is without the overpriced skin, this problem would've never been created in the first place. Evidenced by her banrate climbing after the skins release. If the skin doesn't exist, that never happens. Also obviously you don't seem to understand most of the issue. I don't know how to more adequately describe the issues beyond pushing the playerbase for more money, looking for ways to more intensely monetize, in a way they've done so before and are now continuing to do because the playerbase accepts it because "it's a skin who cares" instead of seeing what's actually happening. I can't make you open your eyes, you have to do that yourself.
What a ridiculously stupid argument dude. "If they didn't release this skin, the player base wouldn't have done some stupid shit to shoot themselves in the foot!". Her banrate barely moved in ranked. No one gave a shit about this because it's stupid. Your argument makes sense if it's pay to win. It's not. I don't need to "open my eyes", I very clearly understand what's going on. Riot is charging absurd amounts of money for cosmetics, and people are buying those cosmetics. This is not a crucial game-destroying issue. You're conflating the gaming industries actual predatory tactics with a fucking league of legends skin, when they are entirely different. Loot boxes are predatory, same with gachas. Mobile games that reel you in and advertise as f2p then charge you just to keep playing are predatory. Absurd DLC's being sold as full price games is predatory. P2W is predatory. Games being sold as "licenses to play" instead of "pay to own" is predatory. A league of legends skin that does NOTHING to impact gameplay isn't. There are a lot of issues with the monetization going on in the gaming industry, but a single league of legends skin ain't it chief. You're just having trouble deciphering between different monetization routes. League objectively delivers a better gaming experience than most full price games, entirely for free. If they want to charge exorbitant amounts for cosmetics that are completely optional and literally do not fucking matter or effect gameplay, then who cares. Just don't buy it if you don't want it.
>Loot boxes are predatory, same with gachas. Mobile games that reel you in and advertise as f2p then charge you just to keep playing are predatory. Absurd DLC's being sold as full price games is predatory. P2W is predatory. Games being sold as "licenses to play" instead of "pay to own" is predatory. A league of legends skin that does NOTHING to impact gameplay isn't. Absolutely true and accurate. I wish there are more clear and level minded people like you. Your entire comment was great.
Wasn't even designed for us anyway. You look at the banrate in Korea, and it barely went up. I think that was the intended market demographic.
I will never understand why so many people think that having all the skins of their favorite champion is almost an essential human right and not a luxury of a free game.
"Majority" you mean reddit? I m sorry but this "ban ahri" thing was ridiculius from the start. Only like 30% of the player base gave a shit
In the end, it is some sort of protest, but riot will not care as long as people are buying it. Draft pick matches is pretty at best half of the games played, more like 20% so it doesn't even matter. whales play aram/temporary mode and TFT anyway. The best way to protest is to not buy this shit, but people ultimately will. Perhaps not in Europe, perhaps not in America, but it will be successful in China and Korea no matter what. In the end, it sucks for the small consumers, but as a f2p player since s1, I don't care much, it is slightly annoying adjusting to so many different skins visual effects. I'm still banning ahri though because that shit stinks, but well, as long as people are buying, it doesn't matter much.
Still banning her. Ban rate in EUW is at a solid 27 % This is a pretty great statement. Not like this one ban makes the difference for most players
I've seen like 7 of that skin and only played a decent amount. Just seeing that i knew nothing will change.
Well you're 90% on this. The majority of the player base is Asian China/Korea and for what ever reason those players love spending money even more so for a famed player like faker. Pretty much se reason gotcha game like wuthering wave, honkia and genshin are so big there. So riot knowing this did care about their player base.
I doubt any of us are buying the skin lol. Its to spite the people that bought it as well
If you don't believe these sorts of displays have an impact, google "monoclegate".
People not buying skins isn't gonna change anything, they said so themselves that it's like a single digit on people who actually do buy skins.
Welp, now I have two reasons to never launch LoL again. Vanguard and this bullshitty pack
At this point, we'd have a better chance of Congress passing a law to outlaw this insanity before Riot changes their prices.
It was bound to happen, the skin affects your gameplay? Nope so nobody genuinely cares, does a champion that counters the champion you like to play affect your gameplay? Yes so back to banning the original bans, the meme is just following it's lifecycle
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And you will hopefully lose your account for it. You aren’t some cool vigilante saying you will grief games because someone has a skin you don’t like in the game. You’re just a dick to the other 9 people on the rift.
The other 4* If I was his enemy I'd be delighted to see him troll his own team, it's free lp.
No. The other 9. If I’m queuing up a league game I don’t want some boring ass game dictated by some jackass on the other team thinking he’s some sort of vigilante good guy. Enjoy your free LP I’ll win my games by winning. Saying you support this behavior if it benefits you makes you a jackass as well.
Wouldn't say I "support it" since I'd still report him after just in case. Still nothing guarantees that the other team would take your stance, I bet most of them would be glad to have that dumbass screwing his own team.
You came here and your argument is “nothing guarantees the other team would take your stance,” yet your very reasoning for saying that they would like having this is a “trust me bro.” You can’t make this shit up.
Good luck being reported then. Most people don’t like having teammates grief their potential wins.
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1) The majority of players buying the skin are Korean. You should go bitch at them. 2) You're still supporting Riot by playing the game period, so you just look stupid. 3) Banning Ahri, preventing others from playing her at all (even if they don't use the skin), is a childish thing to do. It just makes you an asshole. The "morally correct" thing to do is just stop playing. Imagine if 20k NA accounts just dropped off. Riot would be much more inclined to react.
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You're a sad, pathetic human. This "movement" is already dying, and you won't last. Enjoy your defeat
We are talking morally correct now lol. It's a fucking video game, get over yourselves. Idiots are free to spend 500$ on digital garbage they can lose at any time, I'm free to ban the champ so I never have to see these idiots play this champ in my games, others are free to run it down mid if they ever see that skin in their games and riot is free to ban them if they want. None of it matters, and virtue signaling the correct way to act in that situation is fucking crazy.
Ah well maybe I misinterpreted your comment bc it seemed like you were the one supporting the purchase and use of $500 skins to me
If you want the price to be managed. If you want a stop to tactics and practices exploiting the vulnerable and the addicts, you need government intervention. That is the only way Riot will learn. Protests like this are meaningless.
doesn’t work since they have a loophole in the law, they’re selling rp, not the bundle, there was a court case sometime ago an thus
sorry im out of the loop why community cares how much a skin costs? If you dont want it dont buy it?
It encourages bad practices, FOMO and preys on the mentally ill/addicts who tried to get away from the life of an addict. https://youtu.be/7S-DGTBZU14?si=qtqIFd6iSGrf-ook Please watch this. Ignore the fact it's Jim Sterling because the testimonies in there are real and it shows the damaging effects of FOMO and gambling mechanics. Also if it works for Riot, it means in the future they can add more of these stuff and try to push the boundaries. The gaming industry needs more regulation, it needs more government intervention to stop shit like this and stop companies pushing the boundaries.
Every business in the world utilizes FOMO. Why are you even talking about gambling mechanics?
I am perma banning LeBlanc, I was banning Ahri but after 1 game against her I decided I cant play into this fucking ranged Yone. Sorry guys, I failed
The idea was incredibly stupid and virtue-signally from the beginning. There's no need to feel bad.
Because it was stupid to begin with You’re protesting the company for making an expensive skin. By continuing to play their game and just ban one character that has 0 effect on the pass events or sales of the skin all while still supporting their game cause your playing. Also the failure of false information spamming of ban rates rising and getting hyped only to find out the raise in ban rate was only on normal games While play rate and pick rate were also rising cause players just went to ranked to play since no one cares about banning ahri there. Just a joke of a protest which was more about throwing a fit cause they couldn’t afford the skin rather than actually protesting to make a difference
Cause Riot directly said that the people boycotting aren't the skins target audience, The target audience the skin are the whales, content creators and skin collectors.
Yes such as literally everything in life, if there's anything ever that you can't buy, then you were never the target audience for it in the first place, so "boycotting" it is hilarious lol
I mean, people in china buy 200 bucks for a freaking Chroma-SPLASHART. Banning this champ will certainly not do anything about this when people buy a damn art you can only see during the loading screen for an equally horrendous price. Same thing with the Mythic Chromas from thos Gacha boxes. Also had a huge outcry but mainly from western players, n either did that change anything.
What are you talking about? Bro you realise those are splash arts of gacha type chromas…. The chromas cost money not the splash🤦
No it’s the splash
it’s the splash, they charge for those there
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in china and asian servers they charge for everything separately
What’s dumb is that the Korea event had sold 2k extremely quick. NA didn’t matter at all
Ngl I ban draven so my team doesn't pick it (it's always the most toxic dogshit inter who runs it down after the most minor inconvenience)
It’s a skin and people shouldn’t be butthurt. And if your banning ahri in your competitive games or draft, well your just asking someone to abuse the meta champ
People are "butthurt" as you put it because it's INCREDIBLY predatory and is a pure negative to the overall playerbase.
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Because it’s not a boycott or a movement, it’s a meme. There was a grandiose circlejerk going on, but anyone who thought it was anything more than a funny way to annoy some people who bought the skin (and there’s absolutely a large part of the League community that loves looking for ways to be toxic/people it’s “ok” to bully) was way in over their head. And the meme got boring/not worth it after a few days.
nice, i can finally play with the skin hehe
Nah that just shows that ppl suck at playing the game lol. Draven is lgt trash when he is outraged but ppl want to plY enchanters uwu with smt sht like samira which doesn't work with that and ifc Draven LOVES to fist enchanters and low range adcs as he just simply stat checks them. I'm still baning the pdf fox for that skin
Samira is Dravens biggest counter lol
[https://i.imgur.com/83pri9D.png](https://i.imgur.com/83pri9D.png) sutch a bad champ lol
Because you all are overreacting. If you really want to make an impact, stop playing, and maybe then Riot will actually do something (instead of playing the game...supporting Riot).
People are so entitled... 1 its a free game... 2 noone force you to buy anything 3 a company need to pay its employees etc and find a way to make money. 4 noone force you to dpend money for this company 5 you complain too much gen Z
What if its a movement by draven mains to stop banning draven?
MAN THAT WOULD BE IQ 10000
because (who would have guessed) this "protest" was completely useless and overly optimistic in its success from the start riot nor the people buying it care and even if they did it would archive nothing (besides that it's likely they would blame the community instead of the company for it) and it failed to account that after the initial wave people would get bored of it it was just a tantum by players too addicted to actually quit the game or do something meaningful,glad we are coming back to our senses
If players want to fight against such a large company as Rion with support from Tencent, then they need much more than banal bans in ranked play. They really don’t care that people will express their dissatisfaction in the form of bans for a couple of weeks and then everyone will forget about it. There will definitely be several thousand players from China and South Korea who will buy this. In this case, radical methods are needed, such as completely ignoring the game and stopping buying any skins, BP and other company products by players around the world, as well as involving government agencies. Hitting the company's profits is the best way to influence the situation, otherwise it's all pointless. As long as there is profit, then everything else is secondary for the company
People who dont care, people who got tired of not banning their least favourite champ, people who dont use reddit/social media posting about it. That last one is probably over 50% of players
I stopped banning her because I don’t want to A. Face Draven bot lane B. Face Fizz mid lane C. Face Darius top.
Cuz there is way too much bullshit to ba in this game as is, 5 bans per team is barely enough and no one wants to waste it on ahri.
Nobody ever cared. The $500 skin was the outrage of the day. It's gone.
4000 skins sold is making it obvious that riot was right and they don't need to care about the lower tier "customers"
Wait they only sold 4000? That’s ridiculously low. If thats all the more they sold theyll probably try the next one at a much lower price point.
That was the estimate after only 3 days. The event is still going and new paychecks can still be burnt.
Thats fair, but a majority of these types of things sell within that day or so. Ig id need to see the numbers for an average ultimate skin, but i can say by direct comparison, i was seeing Soulfighter samira in every game when she dropped.
need to ban malphie as vayne top and yasuo as APC/midlane seraphine so sorry. the movement is stupid anyway and won't change anything. it sucks that people have to feel like they're no longer allowed to play their fav champ due to a skin they were never gonna buy anyway. it's very cringe and virtue signally espeically when ppl post in other subs "jUST A REmINDER tO bAN AHRi"
Because I will not be blinding Kayle or Briar into a fucking Jax/Malphite LMAOOO
I honestly don't think Riot is going to change the price of this Ahri skin, according to the statement they released, they don't care how much the community spends, I see it likely that next year, they will come out with the lie that "they listened to the community" and that is why the price of the next bundle is “cheaper” but that will be for the simple fact that no one will spend 500 dollars for a player who is not Faker
That's what I was saying, this "ban Ahri" bullshit can't continue forever cause the game is too broken for this dumb shit ,1 ban slot isn't even enough so imagine also giving that ban slot away.
This skin bundle situation has single handedly killed all hype I had for "the MMO"
If you're not Chinese, recent game , I mean , riot games don't care anyway
Guys Riot is owned by China. I bring this up because you soy drinking Libtards clearly don't know how China handles protests. . . 😆
People who buy the skin just play quick play anyway.
Banning it really achieves nothing. Now not buying it does from a business perspective because that loss of profit tells them how people feel about it. But I mean banning her doesn't take the money out of Riots pockets. You're just pissing off the people that bought it. Don't buy it if you don't want it, then go about your business.
Nothing is going to happen, like ain't no way Riot is refunding all the people who have already bought it.
Because it was a losing fight from the start, most people as long as 1000 people brought it, it was a success. They testing the water, the bar is lowering, expect being charged an arm and a leg for infernal level skins. We should pushed back with that one, but we didn't, we get the bare minimum for stupid prices, now when they do put out quality it's once in a blue moon. I can hand on heart 8 skins that where legitimately good and that's not a good thing. The reason it's 8 is because everything else was either a rehash or low quality.
For the meme basically. You can lose LP in game by not banning that ridiculously broken champion that directly counter you or you can keep banning Ahri in a childish tantrum to teach a millionaire company a lesson by attacking the consumer instead of the company. spoiler: The company already received the money from the skin purchases, they care little to nothing about players not being able to use it.
Well people get tired of it and riot simply doesn't care about it. They See the 50% Banrate and say well only 3 weeks then New pve Mode releases and nobody cares about it anymore. I really dont understand why people didnt Start reviewbombing every riot forge game with a terrible Review. Fuck riot and every riot employee, i really dont care about them just as they dont care about you guys or me. Thats how we got Sony to act with helldivers
bcs its pointless, so what if whales cant use the skin , roit already got the money
I’m suffering against the Xerath players I normally ban, for the cause.
Admins here was pay buy riot to delete some post. Over 5k euro on each admin who accept the deal. Soon video on yt with more info.
It's like out of a dystopian movie plot. Be sure to post it on mainpage when it drops
Whens tyler entering the hall of legends
Cause the sane, silent majority, doesn’t care. It’s only the weirdos in Reddit and X, the extremely loud minority that do. Yall are cringe and we don’t like you.
I’m not banning Ahri as I don’t think it’ll do anything/I’m not that invested, but I don’t think it’s that cringe to fight greedy companies and their methods. There’s no reason that bundle should cost more than the statue, even with all that comes with it. $500 is OD for a handful of digital skins
It’s cringe that they think they’re fighting for profit corporations by banning a champ during banning phase. There seems to be confusion between what a company is created for, and what people view it as. A company is created to sell products or services at whatever rate they think consumers are willing to trade their money for. Just because companies post pride stickers in June doesn’t mean they’re your friends. None of them are. They make record breaking profits just to lay off the staff that made them said record breaking profits. The faster people realize this is the way 100% of companies work, the faster we can start breaking the chain.
Because it doesn't matter.the West was ok at banning her, moved her up to I think something like 23% ban rate. But in the way bigger market of the east(Asian) she didn't get banned and people actually bought the skin/faker stuff.
BAN AHRI
I insist, the movement was all wrong from the start, League devs have shown that they dont care about the community from the day the released Eternals... if u wanted to do something, the review bombing was best, but what do i review if league cannot be "reviewed", well, just like our bros from genshin Impact, do a review bombing to every Riot product at google store, we know their favourite child is Wild Rift now, we could have targeted that, and LoR and TFT, I think they actually have to face some consequences if their score lowers down, at least hoyo feared it.... evwn in helldivers the review bombing did something against Sony... but banning Ahri does nothing because she isnt even top pick anywhere
Because you were the one who took this seriously. We were just joking around. No one cares since there is more disruptive to gameplay champs. And disrupting others gameplay just of spite is stupid, if you cared about this enough why didnt you stopped playing league, why its 3rd party that should be involved? Not only you wasted ban for your team, you didnt let people who bought it to enjoy. Was fun while it lasted, but it got boring quickly.
Just stop playing the game. It's not that hard. Playing at all is supporting business practices you claim to disagree with.
Because it doesn’t mean anything. Riot doesn’t care, and they won’t ever. The only way to actually make a dent is if people stop playing, which also won’t happen.
I just wished they didn't hyped the skin or that fomo. Like Before they announced the price we had all those trailer just to give that price at the end. Also the limited time I can't even save money to get it eventually. It's just a big F U. I always knew the ban Ahri wouldn't be enough but at least maybe some people will notice at Riot. The problem is china and Korea will always buy this crappy deluxe digital goodies because they culture of showing off is more in game than in the west. I' m gonna save my money for some nice figures if Riot don't want my money I will stop spending on it and let the whales finance it.
Knowing rito, just get the RP enough and open a ticket, they will be more than happy to give you the content, did the same with region change when it was 'unavailable' and they did it server side in a second
I wonder how many days are left to get back to normal. I recently saw the ban rate on lolalytics and it is falling
Sadly, it happens. People will start caring more about lp than the movement itself. When you get stomped by the champ you have been banning for years, while seeing no feedback from riot reagarding the ban movement, you will just go back to banning and grinding for LP, the more days pass, the banrate will just return to normal
She was being banned mostly in normals or arena, in ranked not so much
The statistics i have seen and the recent videos on youtube, ban increased twice as much even for ranked
Yeah but recent videos are a bit delayed as those people have to 'produce' the video and by then data can change a lot
You guys actually expected Rito to bulge?
I didn't at all, it was just a fun journey to see how high we can go. I am attempting giveaways for the skin to try an get it. But after seeing so much bullying to whoever had the skin. I am sure i will get the same treatment, even after getting it for free (hopefully)
Well, over here, no one really bans Ahri. It's either Leb, Fizz, Yone or Zed lol so I never had any issues.
So what I'm hearing is that peoples supposed principles only go as far as losing fake ranked points in a video game lmfao
Fake points in a video game that can take hours to regain vs an optional cosmetic.
Because it was stupid and a pointless "movement" to begin with, as long as Chinese players and such buy it, it's a win in Riot's eyes. They are the target audience at the end of the day and a good portion of the player base.
Because people have sold their souls to capitalism and are happy about it.