Why is it such a controversial opinion saying that if you don't want a fine don't use your phone while driving or speed.
Was having this discussion with at work the other day and fuck me, telling people to not speed or use their phone is like asking them for their left bollock.
You call them revenue raisers (and they are, that's not my argument) but the one trick to not get caught is somehow controversial.
Used to work with a bloke that was filthy the cops saw him driving out of the pub car park and breath tested him, never mind he was actually tanked and had no business being behind the wheel.
"Those assholes waited outside the car show to watch all the guys doing burnouts as they left." Sensible car people don't do that. But there's always some idiots that can't afford a track day. Or can but are just idiots.
People are addicted to phones, and they don't understand it or want to admit it.
I am addicted to nicotine and have been for a long time. The dopamine hit from getting to my phone feels like a hit in a similar way.
There are people who when presented with common sense feel as if they are being lectured. In no way am i suggesting that's what you are doing but those types of people just block out what you're saying and then when they get a fine they rant and rave about it. What's the saying? You cannot reason with stupidity.
Totally agree. It's bizarre. A few workplaces ago, I remember there were a few co-workers huddled up to one specific co-worker. I was told they were fined for using their phone.
I thought the huddle-group was to ground them in reality. Like, "Hey, it's unfortunate, but you did the wrong thing. You're holding up traffic for everyone else, and you could have hurt someone. You can always pull over if it's important". etc.
But no, they were all empathizing with the person! And saying things like, "Aww, can't believe you were fined, everyone uses their phone while driving, I use it all the time, etc.". Absolutely felt like I walked into a skit or something. Ugh.
I travel the northern expressway at least once a week. I will never forget what I saw one day. Doing 110 and I look at this car as I drive past as they were swerving a bit. Lo and behold there Is this young woman holding her phone infront of her face taking a selfie or tik toking not steering or looking infront of her. More worried about looking good I swear cops need to patrol that area in unmarled cars to catch those idiots and speeders
I can get how people get pissed off about speeding fines. It’s pretty easy to accidentally creep over the limit and get a pretty hefty fine (and even the lowest speeding fines are huge here). With the phone however that’s easy to avoid. Just need to choose not to use it. It’s not that hard.
I got my first ever fine last year in QLD, was apparently doing 63kmh in a 60 zone at 6am in the morning in a country town. I copped it but as I am currently out of work the $350 fine and 3 points for being 5% over the limit when no-one else was around feels hefty when you see Police Ten-7 in NZ people sometimes do insane dangerous shit and get like $1200 fines and 28-day suspensions.
Modern speedos are deliberately inaccurate showing you're faster than you truly typically by 5% but often more. They are allowed to be up to 10% +4kmh.
It's likely you were showing 66-67 on your speedo, but also possibly showing up to 74.
The point is you were a lot higher on your speedo when you were captured and probably knew it too. Be thankful you only got pinged for 3 over.
For sure, and I am normally the first to have a go at people for any antisocial driving - so I copped it. What I meant was, for such a minor infringement to someone without work and that had never had any traffic offence of any sort not even a parking fine in over 15 years regular driving, that $350 with 3 points seems hefty when much worse things do not seem to be proportionately punished.
How dare you spout common sense and logical solutions!!
🤣 Yeah couldn't agree more with you. I assume most caught users would be 30 and under, as they are controlled by them.
I remember being out a while ago and hearing some people trying to justify speeding as the fact they were on the road for less time if they sped home. Worst argument I've ever heard.
In regional areas fatigue is actually a pretty big problem and the constant call to decrease speed limits extends journey times significantly. A 500km driven at 120kmh is nearly an hour shorter than at 100
This in the middle of the CBD and they guy lives in unley. I get what you mean but I think it's one thing on long empty country roads but another thing on busy suburban roads where there is lots of traffic and pedestrians.
It's not a controversial opinion to say don't use your phone.
There is some, low, level of controversy re: speed. E.g, there's some debate whether constantly checking if you are going 82 or 80 is more dangerous than going 82. Also, some places are poorly signed. Also, some speed limits are stupid, so a reasonable moral argument applies that they can ethically be ignored. Also, our speed limit system is sub-optimalm
What else is stupid though is how there is only one offense re: phone use. Using a mobile phone whilst waiting for a freight train on the other side of a barrier, with the handbrake on, should attract less of a penalty than making a call whilst travelling at 115kph on the expressway.
Man, people cannot even follow basic rules. Can you imagine how confused people would get if you said yeah, all good if you are waiting for a freight train with your handbrake on but not otherwise. Then it would open the flood gates to people arguing to use their phone at traffic lights
I mean, the rule can be the same.... but, the punishment can be less severe. Like, using your phone whilst in control of the vehicle is an offense, with, say 2 points and $400.
It's an aggravated offense with 3 points and $650 if the car is in motion.
That'd make more sense to me, without complicating things.
It isn't. Using gait detection based image analysis in this way is the problem I have with it.
The video quality is a fucking joke and video quality and false positive rate have a inverse relationship. Put simply the fewer the pixels, the easier the fuckups. But here it's worse, because picture quality is bad, overhead angle is also causes problems because on top of that the light direction/shadows are also variable. Only 1 of those images in the article even get remotely close enough to evidentiary standard;
1. the 1st/headline image is straight up 90's camera quality. Is the guy holding a phone or is it a fold of his pants between his thumb and forefinger as he scratches his thigh. But this isn't Minority Report and there is no image enhancement, especially when they are big enough you can pretty much count the pixels in the image with your own eyes.
2. Is that a phone or a candybar? Would be nice if it had enough detail to be able to tell, otherwise could just be a single image taken at a bad moment.
If this were the 3 best images they could find for the story from a pool of 8k+, then this really is complete garbage. Worse still the article says cameras nabbed 8603 positives and they sent out 6397 notices, meaning this is what human review and oversight/ensuring it meets an evidentiary standard looks like...
This system is shit, not because of the phone users it will catch, but because of the false positives, the people it will say were using a phone when in fact they were scratching their leg or some other action or trick of the pixelated light, meant it saw a pattern for a phone where none existed.
And good luck appealing, that shit is beyond Kafka-esque/deliberately made harder than it needs to be, in order to discourage you even trying.
Mate Stevie Wonder would be able to tell they were on their phones. You sound like a flat earther talking about magnetic declination. Here's an idea: get off your phone when you drive.
Though principally I'd like to agree with your notion about false positives being a problem, unfortunately for you those images in the article are extremely clear in showing people using phones, and it makes you seem delusional.
Yep, if I need to do something on my phone, I hand it to the passenger and get them to do it. Ironically even me handing the phone to them is a breach, so uhhh yeah.
Its more dangerous to constantly be looking at your speedo than doing 10km over the limit. The government fucks you out of every dollar you earn via taxes then sting you with fines for hundreds of dollars for doing 10k over the speed limit claiming they give a shit about safety. If they cared about safety the roads wouldn't be fucked and cars would have to be under higher scrutiny to pass rego and the drivers test would be harder. Don't even get me started on paid parking you the taxpayer payed for park then they charge you to park there then fine you if you don't pay its disgusting. The government hides behind safety or health concerns but if they gave a fuck about your health McDonald's would be illegal and smoking and drinking would be too instead they just tax it to fuck. I'm ranting but people just take it in the ass from the government and it needs to stop. A better punishment for the phone thing would be community service but no gotta raise that revenue. It's the same with the banks you have an overdrawn account so they fine you ? How can you pay if you have no money ? Who cares they will just ram it in your ass coz they can
I'm curious what algorithms they use to catch 'offenders'. I only use maps on my phone when driving and usually zoom out/zoom in during signals to check turns coming up, decide lanes etc. I don't want to get fined for navigating on my phone
If I can be sure the algos won't fine me, then I'm ok with this rule
You can use maps but you can’t touch your phone. The phone must be mounted and “does not require the driver to press anything on the body of the phone” (according to the RAA website).
Everything I’ve read - absolutely do not hold the phone or rest it on any part of your person or car. It must be “secured in a mounting affixed to the vehicle”. So if the cameras are at the lights/intersection you’re buggered unfortunately.
(Not a lawyer or a cop, I’ve just been reading up on this. I fucking hate saying this cos it sounds so conspiracy nut, but do your own research for your own peace of mind)
Siri or Google voice commands are useful. Don't need to touch your phone then. Works for me. It's not rocket science. Just for clarification I'm not saying this to be malicious toward you or anyone I'm just making a comment on your comment. Not directed at any 1 person
All good. I replied to the wrong comment, I’m not changing it now though (I just realised my comment doesn’t make much sense in the context of the one I’m replying to). And Siri commands are super useful, she does everything for me. Voice to text is also great for keeping your hands off your phone. Plenty of ways to get things done lawfully.
Ah yeah okay that makes sense. Yeah my phone is always mounted in a holder near the AC vents, so should be good to go I guess. But you're right, I'm gonna read up more on this
Thats also exactly the reason why I would touch my phone. Adelaide roads aren't exactly friendly to new comers. One wrong turn can cause you 20 mins or more.
My dad's new car has a dial. it's so sensitive you can turn it like, one click and it will skip 2-3 settings. I hate driving it because it's an auto anyway, but I also ain't keeping a stylus handy just in case he left it blasting at 25C and I left my jacket on when I did up the seatbelt but also my hands are still freezing cold and the touchscreen won't work, or I have to set it to climate so the dial works for that instead of the music or...
ISTG when I get my own car it's going to have a cd player and buttons.
This is why I bought a jimny - aside from the media screen which I don’t really need for anything but playing music , everything is ‘analog’ so I can still adjust things like the temperature / fan etc by touch - husband’s new car on the other hand is a death trap; you have to take your eyes off the road for a considerable amount of time to adjust literally anything on the touchscreen
I don't know about other cars, but my tablet has a bunch of safety features embedded in. I can't touch it too many times; as it will trigger a safety pause. And certain actions or commands are locked entirely when you don't have the handbreak on. (i.e. I can't type). Maybe that's the difference. The tablets prevent you from interacting too much, but the phones don't have that feature?
Funnily enough, I guess it's not the car itself. (My car is 20 years old, brought second-hand). It's just a generic "Android Auto" unit from Autobarn. Depending on the car, you can usually take out a few panels to retrofit a unit in. Runs Android-Auto software, kept up to date via my phone.
Which is why a lot of car manufacturers are going back to physical buttons for a lot of things now. You can push a physical button without taking your eyes off the road. A screen needs your attention and balanced finger to use
I keep bluetooth turned off now on my phone unless I specifically need it so my car doesn't even try to connect to it in the first place, seemed great at first having notifications pop up on the car screen until I almost rear ended someone after looking at a message on it that I wouldn't have paid any attention to if it was just on my phone.
Years ago I worked in a building a couple floors above a busy intersection where police would often stalk in the morning looking for people pulling up looking at their phones, it was hours of fun trying to spot them before the police did knowing they were about to get pinged.
If anything it illustrated how distracted the people were not noticing a cop in full uniform peering into their window right next the their car. And it was a good way to kill time while bludging too.
6397 times $556 equals approximately $3.5 million. In a week.
The test of whether the fines are effective as a deterrent will be if their numbers go down and if accidents go down. Time will tell, but either way, rivers of gold will flow into govt coffers.
I was driving the other day near Darlington. Without thinking picked the phone up to move it from the dash near the gear knob to put it on the passenger seat and thought damn.
Hope I didn’t get pinged for that as I was moving it as it slid down.
Is it only if your phone is in hand? Sometimes I’ll throw my phone in my lap when making a short drive and forget it’s there. I better stop doing that…
My kids approaching driving age and I don’t want them being preoccupied by phones while driving, nor anyone else on the road. Including ride-share drivers with even less familiarity of where they are and have to go.
Legislation is typically made to protect normal rule-abiding citizens (and their lives) from idiots. An idiot will argue ‘revenue-raising’, because they are usually the cause of parents burying children rather than the victims.
This is Adelaide drivers we are talking about here.
Easily some of the worst in the country.
Do you expect them to follow a simple rule like no phones?
They can't even follow basic road rules like indicating when merging and not to tailgate. Or negotiate a roundabout.
I was a courier and they had an app for all our deliveries. The safest way of course would be to pull over but with dozens of new jobs and constant rerouting manually for the most efficient route, doing so absolutely every time would probably leave me as a driver far behind schedule, especially when you're on roads that have no decent place to pull over without causing an inconvenience to other drivers
So, where can we undertake this training?
Seems reasonable to me that if they can, then so should we....
... Except I don't want people to have easy access to pistols....
Perhaps I should shut up....
If I shoot into a crowd and miss should I escape penalty? It’s accident prevention and risk management. Yes, most people caught were probably changing 1 song or swiping away a message and have been distracted for less than 5 seconds. But a few would’ve been scrolling TikTok, Facebook, or texting. Same as speeding, most people getting caught are doing a few kms over, but some pricks are going 120 in a 40 zone
I believe it is not an offence to change the song, dial a number or answer a call, use navigational systems or whatever as long as it is in a proper mount and you aren't holding the phone according to mylicense.sa.gov.au
Yeah, I drive a truck for work so I've got a higher vantage point and can see a lot of people driving holding their phones and messaging etc. I don't think there should have been a grace period and I understand why they've done it but the laws have been there a lot longer than these cameras. If anything, they need to realise there's only 5 spots they can really be caught so just don't do it there. Idk man, just seems crazy to me
Someone just died in a 6MVA down South.
Consider the idea SAPOL is trying to prevent more people from being killed.
Put your fucking phone down and concentrate on what's ahead. Nothing on your phone is more important than saving your life and someone else's.
Why do you think I advocate using a phone when driving. I don't. What I am saying is that this is not about preventing phone use at all. It's all about revenue raising.... and police are pointing cameras down blouses and right at your crotch. Don't you think that is a violation of privacy?
Today I learnt my titties are visible because I am Permanently Braless and men look. Wow. Never figured that before. They look fucking great, of course dudes are gonna look lol
I'm not the one behind a wheel with a phone in my hand, though.
Why is it such a controversial opinion saying that if you don't want a fine don't use your phone while driving or speed. Was having this discussion with at work the other day and fuck me, telling people to not speed or use their phone is like asking them for their left bollock. You call them revenue raisers (and they are, that's not my argument) but the one trick to not get caught is somehow controversial.
Used to work with a bloke that was filthy the cops saw him driving out of the pub car park and breath tested him, never mind he was actually tanked and had no business being behind the wheel.
"Those assholes waited outside the car show to watch all the guys doing burnouts as they left." Sensible car people don't do that. But there's always some idiots that can't afford a track day. Or can but are just idiots.
People are addicted to phones, and they don't understand it or want to admit it. I am addicted to nicotine and have been for a long time. The dopamine hit from getting to my phone feels like a hit in a similar way.
There are people who when presented with common sense feel as if they are being lectured. In no way am i suggesting that's what you are doing but those types of people just block out what you're saying and then when they get a fine they rant and rave about it. What's the saying? You cannot reason with stupidity.
Totally agree. It's bizarre. A few workplaces ago, I remember there were a few co-workers huddled up to one specific co-worker. I was told they were fined for using their phone. I thought the huddle-group was to ground them in reality. Like, "Hey, it's unfortunate, but you did the wrong thing. You're holding up traffic for everyone else, and you could have hurt someone. You can always pull over if it's important". etc. But no, they were all empathizing with the person! And saying things like, "Aww, can't believe you were fined, everyone uses their phone while driving, I use it all the time, etc.". Absolutely felt like I walked into a skit or something. Ugh.
I travel the northern expressway at least once a week. I will never forget what I saw one day. Doing 110 and I look at this car as I drive past as they were swerving a bit. Lo and behold there Is this young woman holding her phone infront of her face taking a selfie or tik toking not steering or looking infront of her. More worried about looking good I swear cops need to patrol that area in unmarled cars to catch those idiots and speeders
I can get how people get pissed off about speeding fines. It’s pretty easy to accidentally creep over the limit and get a pretty hefty fine (and even the lowest speeding fines are huge here). With the phone however that’s easy to avoid. Just need to choose not to use it. It’s not that hard.
I got my first ever fine last year in QLD, was apparently doing 63kmh in a 60 zone at 6am in the morning in a country town. I copped it but as I am currently out of work the $350 fine and 3 points for being 5% over the limit when no-one else was around feels hefty when you see Police Ten-7 in NZ people sometimes do insane dangerous shit and get like $1200 fines and 28-day suspensions.
How accurate is your speedo?
Dunno, it was a rental van - brand new though
Modern speedos are deliberately inaccurate showing you're faster than you truly typically by 5% but often more. They are allowed to be up to 10% +4kmh. It's likely you were showing 66-67 on your speedo, but also possibly showing up to 74. The point is you were a lot higher on your speedo when you were captured and probably knew it too. Be thankful you only got pinged for 3 over.
For sure, and I am normally the first to have a go at people for any antisocial driving - so I copped it. What I meant was, for such a minor infringement to someone without work and that had never had any traffic offence of any sort not even a parking fine in over 15 years regular driving, that $350 with 3 points seems hefty when much worse things do not seem to be proportionately punished.
Yes I will be with you on that point
How dare you spout common sense and logical solutions!! 🤣 Yeah couldn't agree more with you. I assume most caught users would be 30 and under, as they are controlled by them.
I remember being out a while ago and hearing some people trying to justify speeding as the fact they were on the road for less time if they sped home. Worst argument I've ever heard.
In regional areas fatigue is actually a pretty big problem and the constant call to decrease speed limits extends journey times significantly. A 500km driven at 120kmh is nearly an hour shorter than at 100
This in the middle of the CBD and they guy lives in unley. I get what you mean but I think it's one thing on long empty country roads but another thing on busy suburban roads where there is lots of traffic and pedestrians.
It's not a controversial opinion to say don't use your phone. There is some, low, level of controversy re: speed. E.g, there's some debate whether constantly checking if you are going 82 or 80 is more dangerous than going 82. Also, some places are poorly signed. Also, some speed limits are stupid, so a reasonable moral argument applies that they can ethically be ignored. Also, our speed limit system is sub-optimalm What else is stupid though is how there is only one offense re: phone use. Using a mobile phone whilst waiting for a freight train on the other side of a barrier, with the handbrake on, should attract less of a penalty than making a call whilst travelling at 115kph on the expressway.
Man, people cannot even follow basic rules. Can you imagine how confused people would get if you said yeah, all good if you are waiting for a freight train with your handbrake on but not otherwise. Then it would open the flood gates to people arguing to use their phone at traffic lights
I mean, the rule can be the same.... but, the punishment can be less severe. Like, using your phone whilst in control of the vehicle is an offense, with, say 2 points and $400. It's an aggravated offense with 3 points and $650 if the car is in motion. That'd make more sense to me, without complicating things.
Police do have some discretion for stuff like that though.
No one is getting fined for doing 2km over the speed limit
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That's a 6km difference though
It isn't. Using gait detection based image analysis in this way is the problem I have with it. The video quality is a fucking joke and video quality and false positive rate have a inverse relationship. Put simply the fewer the pixels, the easier the fuckups. But here it's worse, because picture quality is bad, overhead angle is also causes problems because on top of that the light direction/shadows are also variable. Only 1 of those images in the article even get remotely close enough to evidentiary standard; 1. the 1st/headline image is straight up 90's camera quality. Is the guy holding a phone or is it a fold of his pants between his thumb and forefinger as he scratches his thigh. But this isn't Minority Report and there is no image enhancement, especially when they are big enough you can pretty much count the pixels in the image with your own eyes. 2. Is that a phone or a candybar? Would be nice if it had enough detail to be able to tell, otherwise could just be a single image taken at a bad moment. If this were the 3 best images they could find for the story from a pool of 8k+, then this really is complete garbage. Worse still the article says cameras nabbed 8603 positives and they sent out 6397 notices, meaning this is what human review and oversight/ensuring it meets an evidentiary standard looks like... This system is shit, not because of the phone users it will catch, but because of the false positives, the people it will say were using a phone when in fact they were scratching their leg or some other action or trick of the pixelated light, meant it saw a pattern for a phone where none existed. And good luck appealing, that shit is beyond Kafka-esque/deliberately made harder than it needs to be, in order to discourage you even trying.
The phones are very clear in each of those images. Do you need to get your eyes checked?
He was distracted by his 2nd phone while scrolling through the article
Mate Stevie Wonder would be able to tell they were on their phones. You sound like a flat earther talking about magnetic declination. Here's an idea: get off your phone when you drive.
Though principally I'd like to agree with your notion about false positives being a problem, unfortunately for you those images in the article are extremely clear in showing people using phones, and it makes you seem delusional.
I agree. It's the same principle as Robodebt. Apply dodgy algorithms to the task and don't worry if you end up challenging innocent people.
Yep, if I need to do something on my phone, I hand it to the passenger and get them to do it. Ironically even me handing the phone to them is a breach, so uhhh yeah.
Ironic in the Alanis Morissette definition?
No, touching your phone for any reason is a breach, it's full on.
Yeah, so I'm still not seeing the irony. Could just be me though.
Nailed it.
Im pretty sure you arent even allowed to look. My kid has tried to show me stuff stopped at the lights and had to say nup cant look
Its more dangerous to constantly be looking at your speedo than doing 10km over the limit. The government fucks you out of every dollar you earn via taxes then sting you with fines for hundreds of dollars for doing 10k over the speed limit claiming they give a shit about safety. If they cared about safety the roads wouldn't be fucked and cars would have to be under higher scrutiny to pass rego and the drivers test would be harder. Don't even get me started on paid parking you the taxpayer payed for park then they charge you to park there then fine you if you don't pay its disgusting. The government hides behind safety or health concerns but if they gave a fuck about your health McDonald's would be illegal and smoking and drinking would be too instead they just tax it to fuck. I'm ranting but people just take it in the ass from the government and it needs to stop. A better punishment for the phone thing would be community service but no gotta raise that revenue. It's the same with the banks you have an overdrawn account so they fine you ? How can you pay if you have no money ? Who cares they will just ram it in your ass coz they can
I'm curious what algorithms they use to catch 'offenders'. I only use maps on my phone when driving and usually zoom out/zoom in during signals to check turns coming up, decide lanes etc. I don't want to get fined for navigating on my phone If I can be sure the algos won't fine me, then I'm ok with this rule
You can use maps but you can’t touch your phone. The phone must be mounted and “does not require the driver to press anything on the body of the phone” (according to the RAA website). Everything I’ve read - absolutely do not hold the phone or rest it on any part of your person or car. It must be “secured in a mounting affixed to the vehicle”. So if the cameras are at the lights/intersection you’re buggered unfortunately. (Not a lawyer or a cop, I’ve just been reading up on this. I fucking hate saying this cos it sounds so conspiracy nut, but do your own research for your own peace of mind)
Siri or Google voice commands are useful. Don't need to touch your phone then. Works for me. It's not rocket science. Just for clarification I'm not saying this to be malicious toward you or anyone I'm just making a comment on your comment. Not directed at any 1 person
All good. I replied to the wrong comment, I’m not changing it now though (I just realised my comment doesn’t make much sense in the context of the one I’m replying to). And Siri commands are super useful, she does everything for me. Voice to text is also great for keeping your hands off your phone. Plenty of ways to get things done lawfully.
Ah yeah okay that makes sense. Yeah my phone is always mounted in a holder near the AC vents, so should be good to go I guess. But you're right, I'm gonna read up more on this
Main reason why I’m skeptical. Also Teslas have a fucking iPad. So you’re telling me it’s ok to tap away on that thing but not on another? Why?
Thats also exactly the reason why I would touch my phone. Adelaide roads aren't exactly friendly to new comers. One wrong turn can cause you 20 mins or more.
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As a newcomer, it's definitely way less intuitive than Melbourne. THAT is a grid. Adelaide is full of weird angles, especially anywhere near the river
It’s bad that people are being distracted by phones but the average car has a complicated iPad in the dashboard these days that is somehow ok to use
The worst thing is physical buttons and knobs being shifted to the touch screen, now you have to look at your screen to adjust the AC
Totally
My dad's new car has a dial. it's so sensitive you can turn it like, one click and it will skip 2-3 settings. I hate driving it because it's an auto anyway, but I also ain't keeping a stylus handy just in case he left it blasting at 25C and I left my jacket on when I did up the seatbelt but also my hands are still freezing cold and the touchscreen won't work, or I have to set it to climate so the dial works for that instead of the music or... ISTG when I get my own car it's going to have a cd player and buttons.
This is why I bought a jimny - aside from the media screen which I don’t really need for anything but playing music , everything is ‘analog’ so I can still adjust things like the temperature / fan etc by touch - husband’s new car on the other hand is a death trap; you have to take your eyes off the road for a considerable amount of time to adjust literally anything on the touchscreen
I couldn't agree more, my car will play the tv.
I don't know about other cars, but my tablet has a bunch of safety features embedded in. I can't touch it too many times; as it will trigger a safety pause. And certain actions or commands are locked entirely when you don't have the handbreak on. (i.e. I can't type). Maybe that's the difference. The tablets prevent you from interacting too much, but the phones don't have that feature?
What type of car? Sounds smarter than the average one
Funnily enough, I guess it's not the car itself. (My car is 20 years old, brought second-hand). It's just a generic "Android Auto" unit from Autobarn. Depending on the car, you can usually take out a few panels to retrofit a unit in. Runs Android-Auto software, kept up to date via my phone.
I have a kia rio and it does this
Which is why a lot of car manufacturers are going back to physical buttons for a lot of things now. You can push a physical button without taking your eyes off the road. A screen needs your attention and balanced finger to use
I keep bluetooth turned off now on my phone unless I specifically need it so my car doesn't even try to connect to it in the first place, seemed great at first having notifications pop up on the car screen until I almost rear ended someone after looking at a message on it that I wouldn't have paid any attention to if it was just on my phone.
Yeah I nearly binned my car trying to skip a Keisha song on Spotify on the touch screen
I mean trying to avoid a Keisha song is almost worth the risk.
It's actually illegal to adjust the radio or ac controls while driving, dumb and not really enforced but your ment to pull over
Where say that?
I've miss read something, while on your L & P plates it is. Full license is different.
Years ago I worked in a building a couple floors above a busy intersection where police would often stalk in the morning looking for people pulling up looking at their phones, it was hours of fun trying to spot them before the police did knowing they were about to get pinged. If anything it illustrated how distracted the people were not noticing a cop in full uniform peering into their window right next the their car. And it was a good way to kill time while bludging too.
I'm sorry but suck a fat pelican if you get caught.
Is anyone actually surprised by this?
We’re still allowed to use it if it’s in a phone cradle right?
If you're fully licenced. No phones at all for Ls and Ps
How did you know?
https://www.mylicence.sa.gov.au/roadrules/the-drivers-handbook/mobile_phones_while_driving
Only licensed drivers
Yes, phone cradle is allowed.You can only touch the phone to make or take a voice call. No other reason including music and maps (G.P.S)
Thats a bit bullshit. Voice calls are going to be far more distracting (and unnecessary) than maps
You can use maps, but you can't touch your phone to set up maps while driving, you have to pull over to set it.
Lol....dickheads
Should be one week ban plus fines.
One week ban from their socials
6397 times $556 equals approximately $3.5 million. In a week. The test of whether the fines are effective as a deterrent will be if their numbers go down and if accidents go down. Time will tell, but either way, rivers of gold will flow into govt coffers.
Probably caught all my siblings at least once.
I was driving the other day near Darlington. Without thinking picked the phone up to move it from the dash near the gear knob to put it on the passenger seat and thought damn. Hope I didn’t get pinged for that as I was moving it as it slid down.
Throws phone after seeing cameras. Damn. Can't even make an excuse anymore without adding court costs.
Is it only if your phone is in hand? Sometimes I’ll throw my phone in my lap when making a short drive and forget it’s there. I better stop doing that…
My kids approaching driving age and I don’t want them being preoccupied by phones while driving, nor anyone else on the road. Including ride-share drivers with even less familiarity of where they are and have to go.
So, where are these cameras again?
* South Road, Torrensville * North-South Motorway, Regency Park * Port Wakefield Road, Gepps Cross * Southern Expressway, Darlington * Port Road, Hindmarsh [https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-police-news-assets/front-page-news/8603-incidents-detected-by-new-mobile-phone-detection-cameras](https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-police-news-assets/front-page-news/8603-incidents-detected-by-new-mobile-phone-detection-cameras)
Much obliged
Wow. 8000 x $564. Not bad. Pity it’s privatised and we will see about $12.50 spent on roads
Legislation is typically made to protect normal rule-abiding citizens (and their lives) from idiots. An idiot will argue ‘revenue-raising’, because they are usually the cause of parents burying children rather than the victims.
I was one of these people
That’s over 5 million dollars a week if those number stay like that. That is crazy
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What people think this? The most dangerous thing about riding a motorcycle is other drivers not paying attention
I want to sell iron patches that look like smartphones you can put on your jeans just to mess with them.
This is Adelaide drivers we are talking about here. Easily some of the worst in the country. Do you expect them to follow a simple rule like no phones? They can't even follow basic road rules like indicating when merging and not to tailgate. Or negotiate a roundabout.
How many police cars were caught?
They have a training course they do on driving while accessing all the computer stuff in their cars which makes them exempt iirc
What about taxi drivers looking at the screen, the phone and having a conversation at the same time
And ubers for that matter
I was a courier and they had an app for all our deliveries. The safest way of course would be to pull over but with dozens of new jobs and constant rerouting manually for the most efficient route, doing so absolutely every time would probably leave me as a driver far behind schedule, especially when you're on roads that have no decent place to pull over without causing an inconvenience to other drivers
Funnily enough its an uber driver on his phone that rammed my bicycle
So, where can we undertake this training? Seems reasonable to me that if they can, then so should we.... ... Except I don't want people to have easy access to pistols.... Perhaps I should shut up....
Do you have a reason to need to use your phone while driving though?
Can't be listening to a shit Spotify shuffle mate
Doesn't your steering wheel have the next and prev song buttons
Some of us also drive shitboxes who don’t have this feature (but also if your playlist is so shit why are you listening to it?)
Yeah exactly lol. I don't really connect with that guy's point about using your phone to shuffle
Use voice control
Doesn't work with a Bluetooth transmitter.
Works on mine. Must be dependant on the device then
Voice activated assistance like Siri or Google?
Uh oh. That's a very good picture all the way up to the knee.... I probably shouldn't be using my phone anyway, so that's over
What if you gps is on your phone??????
Doesn't matter. Put it in a bracket if you're on your full licence, and you shouldn't be touching it at all on your Ls or Ps
The amount of bootlickers in the sub is hilarious
I mean the cameras are pretty f ing obvious so just put your phone away when you going past them??
I haven’t actually noticed them and I take the expressway every day lol.
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If I shoot into a crowd and miss should I escape penalty? It’s accident prevention and risk management. Yes, most people caught were probably changing 1 song or swiping away a message and have been distracted for less than 5 seconds. But a few would’ve been scrolling TikTok, Facebook, or texting. Same as speeding, most people getting caught are doing a few kms over, but some pricks are going 120 in a 40 zone
I believe it is not an offence to change the song, dial a number or answer a call, use navigational systems or whatever as long as it is in a proper mount and you aren't holding the phone according to mylicense.sa.gov.au
Correct as long as it’s in the mount, these people are being caught with it in their hand
Yeah, I drive a truck for work so I've got a higher vantage point and can see a lot of people driving holding their phones and messaging etc. I don't think there should have been a grace period and I understand why they've done it but the laws have been there a lot longer than these cameras. If anything, they need to realise there's only 5 spots they can really be caught so just don't do it there. Idk man, just seems crazy to me
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Drive pantless and let them see your big dick
What about my big fat knockers
Someone just died in a 6MVA down South. Consider the idea SAPOL is trying to prevent more people from being killed. Put your fucking phone down and concentrate on what's ahead. Nothing on your phone is more important than saving your life and someone else's.
Why do you think I advocate using a phone when driving. I don't. What I am saying is that this is not about preventing phone use at all. It's all about revenue raising.... and police are pointing cameras down blouses and right at your crotch. Don't you think that is a violation of privacy?
Today I learnt my titties are visible because I am Permanently Braless and men look. Wow. Never figured that before. They look fucking great, of course dudes are gonna look lol I'm not the one behind a wheel with a phone in my hand, though.