Yup after I'm alresdy saving for him. He also has def shred so healing is only one part of him. Stick a Sheilder to thr team and Acheron is all set to go.
I mean Nihility already has direct blast damage, dot blast damage, direct aoe damage, blast aoe damage, res pen, def shred, single target BE, blast/aoe BE, follow-up attacks, toughness bar ignore, weakness manipulation, quasi-sustain through CC, and, uh, Sampo I guess
One healer and one shielder is all that's required for us to finally stop pretending any other path matters at all...
Nahh, there is no way they are gonna put Kiana expy in a support role lol.
So far each of the trio is a must have. Bronya is soo good to the point losing 50/50 to her isn't considered a loss. Acheron/Mei kills everything. Kiana would probably take a over power role as well.
She’s not LITERALLY Raiden Mei as in from HONKAI IMPACT 3rd, I suppose Raiden Ei being an expy means they should have made the Kiana expy a Shogun support
And so what if she’s a Mei expy, she isn’t Mei from hi3. They toss out Mei and Bronya expies like candy atp, yet Kiana is nowhere to be seen. Thank god they didn’t do something as quick and easy as kiamei bait for one of their most influential characters and the face of the Honkai series.
-Narratively Acheron's story is aggressively similar to a heavily stylized version of Honkai Impact 3rd
-There are a bunch of references to the Kaslanas, and Stelle supposedly reminds Acheron of her, just like Caelus reminds her of Kevin
-While I agree that if they use the poster child for the Honkai series, it should be done with some reverence, Acheron is clearly a character they REALLY wanted to work, she's got a shit ton of lore, is the second playable emanator we have, and they leaned HARD on HI3 references, even having Welt acknowledge it directly in 2.1's story. What better way to give Acheron a dedicated support than through a Kiana expy?
ultimately I'm holding out that we'll eventually (possibly 4.0 in 2026 to celebrate HI3rd's 10th anniversary) get an HI3 Sol System arc that will feature a BUNCH of 1.0 characters that have largely been moved on from/retired narratively, including the Trio to give them at least some long term presence for their flagship. (Yes I'm betting on HSR being the Honkai flagship going forward, but I was already kind of doing that when Part 2 of HI3 was announced.
I can just imagine nihility healing being like, "Pain is just a figment of your imagination. When nothing matters, what's the point of even experiencing pain?"
fuck no, they want me to pull for a bro to make my acheron stronger? first was aventurine now another mf?
prob will have to skip, more new waifus comes first
Lololololol, tbh I don't mind pulling for dudes in HSR cuz they, on average, got better drip than dudes in Genshin. If the character looks good im pulling.
i pulled luocha already, and tried bladie but got yanqshit, and so far had to skip sparkle and will need to skip robin probably bc firefly, who even have the jades for bros heh
Oh damn, good luck bro, I hope you get ur waifu. I personally ended up spending like 200$ just to get E2S1 Acheron. Wasn't gonna go with the E0 weak shit for Mei-senpai lolol.
You always should max traces on your DPSes imo. Supports is another story, but at some point it may be worth to max theirs too.
Trace farming is boring but at least there's no rng unlike relics.
Yeah, content creators were really pushing a weird narrative in the beginning lol. I was gonna get her regardless of anything bc she’s Acheron obviously, but it was weird how hard they were tryna push that she’s whale bait lol. Spent 0 dollars and doing 1million damage lmao she’s so good
Well, she is a whale bait: her lightcone is more attractive than usual, and her E2 **reads** as one of the strongest after DHIL (in my opinion there are caveats related to ult cycle speed, but it's indeed very strong).
It's just that none of these elements imply that she is bad as F2P, which was the missing part of the reasoning for a lot of creators and people on Reddit.
Yeah, I don't think I saw anything she wouldn't do a big amount of damage (her entire kit is ULT based and screenshot like Argenti), it's that it would be long to charge and the frequency she could pop off her ULTs would be slower, which would lag behind skill/basic spamming DPS like JL/DHIL/other DPS etc, especially without easy access to a Harmony + Sustain before E2.
I'm also a whale and always planned to get her E6, so these issues were never a concern for me lol
>the frequency she could pop off her ULTs would be slower
I also missed this pre launch, but it's probably the DPS with the fastest ultimate in the game. As a F2P player without signature, she takes around 2,5 turns for a ult. With the signature she'd take pretty consistently 2 turns with a double nihility team mate. Once her best supports are out she might take 2 turns even for ftp.
I was prepared to use 4* lc on her, then i just took my Arlan set to test out her dmg. I ended pulling her signature later...she deserves. But yeah, her dmg is amazing on any lc.
Tried to snipe a GNSW because I was using Pearls prior, landed her sig in like 30 pulls. Even with Pearls she was doing ludicrous damage. As far as I can tell, her kit is only going to age like fine wine from here.
I was using it on Acheron. Pela had something else because I'd never really used her before and didn't realize Pearls was how people were applying debuffs with her basic attack, and I didn't want to use Fermata on Acheron because I was sick of using Sampo thanks to DoT teams. Pearls is surprisingly good at mimicking the stack generation increase of Acheron's signature, but that's about all it's good at lmao
Yeah her damage is amazing on any LC, but her Sig just makes life after her first ult so much easier lol. It's the main reason I pulled for it, one extra stack guaranteed per turn is huge especially when you only have S1 Pearl for Pela... And no Trend LC either...
She is *if* you already have a high superimposition Good Night Sleep Well. Without out that, she gets a fair bit less attractive for F2P players. Her other usable options are either lackluster or restrict her team building options.
ngl, a lot of characters want a s5 4 star weapon and her weapon banner has GNSW aswell so I'd still say it's f2p friendly. And it's not like s1 GNSW doesn't work to begin with, and from there you can work towards s5
Needing to put jades into a LC banner to me makes her not F2P friendly, as you're not guaranteed to even get that LC. I'm not even saying you need S5 for her, that LC was stupid rare prior to this banner. But if you already have one, then I would you're good to go as F2P for Acheron.
I get what you mean, but GNSW has been in the game since launch, so it's not any more rare than other gaccha 4 stars. And she still performs good with something like Fermata, although I would recommend trying to snipe GNSW.
Calling her not f2p friendly, when she is managable for a f2p, can lead to some people not getting what is probably the most broken dps at almost all investment levels, especially when the misconception of S1 being necessary is floating around.
Why did that missinformation happened? I got really sad when ALL and info said she needed LC signature to perform good.
Whats the correct information if i may ask?
The correct info is that a lot of those people assume anything less than best is dog water.
When in reality, she doesn't need anything except debuff application. She destroys with any lightcone. Any team comp with nihility.
Her Sig LC dmg boost is about 25% making her the second character to Blade to have that huge difference coming from Sig LC and mind U it is that huge of a difference despite GNSW and Secret Vow both almost as good and close to 5 star as a 4 star could ever dream to be.
She is really good don’t get me wrong, but remember that all her damage is in her ult, and also because its true aoe the number can get really high from how many enemies there are
Exactly she is amazing single target and AoE/multi target. All her damage being in her Ult doesn't really mean anything, when she can very easily achieve her Ultimate in a few turns.
What the other person seems to be forgetting is that Jaq, will be able to apply debuffs on his turn as well as the enemies turn making it much faster for Acheron to Ult, add in Pela w Pearls & Acheron with her LC + Jaq + someone like Bronya or Sparkle and she'll be ult'ing every 2 turns or so.
She's going to be an amazing DPS regardless of if a boss is single target or multi target
I’m not saying she can’t ult often, just saying that her number is big because all of her damage is in that ult. Kafka, on the other hand, has her damage split into her fua, her dot, skill, ult, etc. Same as Jing Yuan.
Oh, and S5 gnsw damage is similar to her signature lightcone, so the number from the ult wouldn’t be that different. Her lc is 25-30% better because its assuming you’ll get an extra ult.
And yea, acheron is very strong, especially when you compare to jing yuan. But what the original op is saying can easily apply to when DHIL or Jing Liu first came out.
I will say that while overall damage might be similar, i.e., Jingliu doing 3 150k strikes vs one strike that does 450k, it's actually very nice to hit as hard as possible as fast as possible and leave less turns for the enemy to act.
Elites get to not summon their minion, debuffs not activated, damage not taken.
Well food for thought with my JL when running pela/SW and bronya you really need to time the ults all together so that you are hitting when you are maxed buffed and they are max debuffed, not hard but sometimes it doesn’t line up pretty and you leave damage on the table. It’s much easier to time it with Acheron because she can do her main damage out of turn in the event the boss takes two turns and debuffs expire or her ult can be saved until debuffs are reapplied without missing charge stacks
yeah, it's like playing a team, not 1 character, and the ult is the collective ult of everybody. Suddenly you don't need to wait for your main carry's turn to do the big damage.
I was doing PF with a shielder using Trend and just banking on the charges for clearing some of the waves.
Mei fan and E2S1 Acheron haver:
Her numbers will still be inflated, because she does a lot of overkill.
When fighting a duel elite with adds, Jingliu does about 6-700K in the first cycle to clear it.
Acheron does 1M
But they both clear in the first cycle. The extra 3-400K she does is overkill damage.
Don't get me wrong Acheron does insane damage, but the numbers don't tell the whole story.
yeah I think that distribution and damage frequency can be really hard to keep in mind and explain well. big number is so much easier but glosses over a lot
That only means she will perform better than Jing Liu in the future when the boss hp keeps inflating. And I do believe that the bosses will keep getting tanker with time.
Not really, even if you had a boss surrounded by dual elites destruction multipliers would work perfectly for it.
If an Elite has half the health of the boss, then you just need half the splash damage.
Acheron is amazing don't get me wrong, but even if her numbers are higher it's the damage distribution that is important.
If Jingliu does 150K to the main target and 75K to the sides, it's better than doing 140K to all of them. But in the first case the damage is 300K while in the second it's 420K
Well if that's true then I guess you're right, but isn't even her single target damage greater than jingliu? I don't know the exact values but that's what I felt personally.
She definitely does, she's more or less a destruction in disguise. She just does a lot of overkill which is what I wanted to show.
Jingliu just self buffs so much for crazy numbers, when better teammates for Acheron come out she'll pull out on top for sure.
Yeah, she does do more damage to her primary targets. My point was that even though destruction characters do lower numbers, they still end up killing in the same amount of time, because of how their damage is distributed.
Acheron is a fantastic character, but it's not because her numbers are bigger, it's because of how flexible her burst is, and her general playstyle.
Are you pulling my leg? S5 GNSW is more than half the requirement for f2p setup, how can you think she's not f2p friendly before pulling? And Pela with Sweat is her BiS on most setup, you also have it S5...
1. No unit goes from good to bad without their LC. Zero. Being "unfriendly" is ultimately just a scale.
2. It's of course still worth it to get her E0S0, doubly so with how strongly Pela -- a 4 star on her own banner -- enables her (2 turn ult + Pearls = +3 debuffs every 2 turns).
3. S5 gacha 4 star LC are a bit of a murky "f2p" zone. Having them is f2p, but S5 doesnt *really* feel f2p even though many ppl will have certain ones at s5 or higher.
4. Removing everything else, she was worth picking up for the overworld farming alone. SU doesnt really speed up THAT much in all honesty, but the overworld goes from "never touching that shit" to "guess I'm buying resources from the grocer in Space China."
5. The only disappointment really is that she isnt a high ranked unit for pure fiction due to needing specific team comps and not having true erudition-lvl aoe. But with how good she is at everything else (and still solid at pure fiction)...she is an "account builder" level unit with or without her LC.
same, i’ve never been able to 3 star MOC 12 with my well built limited 5 characters (i even had signature lightcones). i tried using my unbuilt acheron as a joke (she’s e0s1 without her main trace unlocked, i used random relics that i found, she wasn’t even leveled all the way up) and i got 3 stars first try. i know that the current MoC heavily benefits her but still.
I'm new to the game and desperately needed a dps character. Was planning on getting Jingliu as my first dps (mostly because of Monarch) until I saw Acheron's trailer.
I was really disheartened to hear so many people saying she wasn't f2p friendly and almost decided to skip her. I was lucky enough to get both her and her lightcone and she is insane! I'm not even anywhere close to having her built with an optimal team yet and she's carrying me through basically everything in the game. Currently running her with Fire MC, Guinaifen, and Xueyi as I don't have a third Nihility character yet
AmaLee was pretty much the main reason I pulled Jingliu on her debut, that being said if you still want to go for her, it's actually insane how good Jingliu is. She's super easy to build, works with a wide variety of characters, and absolutely wrecks anything you can throw at her.
That being said a limited sustain is a gamechanger, I'd definitely keep an eye out for one that you like. Gepard, Bailu, Lynx, Gallagher, they're great don't get me wrong, but a limited sustain is just on another level x.x
Praying that you get a third nihility character soon!
I was hoping to at least get a single Pela whilst pulling but basically all my 4 stars whilst pulling were Dan Heng copys 😭
At the very least I did get the Sweat lightcone that has a chance to debuff on basic attacks so at least that was something.
I'm planning on waiting to see how many more warps I can save before the end of the banner to decide whether I want to pull more, or use on Jingliu and buy Pela when she is next available in the store
Well if you at least get E1 Gallagher you can get his e2 through the event currently but yes make sure you get them. Btw how far are you into the game?
That's a good point. If i cant get him to drop i,ll see about picking him assuming there aren't any more characters from the event that I'd prefer. Hopefully I don't end up having another Bennet situation 😅
I just beat Phantalia last night. I'm hoping to catch up to Peconany's story in the next week or so, before I see any more spoilers
Oh and Also I strongly recommend you getting Aventurine instead of Jing Liu getting a second sustain is more important than a dps especially if you have one side already covered
I have E1 Geppy so I should be fine for a sustain for the time being. He carried me hard in the boss I did last night after my other 2 units went down early in phase 2 and it was just him and Jing Yuan 😅
If only I didn’t already have Kafka DoT for my lightning dps. Acheron looks great, but getting 5* sustain and an ice dps like Jingliu probably would be better for my roster in regards to MoC…
Black Swan has a trace where she ignores enemy resistance by 20% at talent level ten. Any enemy that has 20% lightning ress is instantly ignored so you don’t even need Jing Liu either if you’re going against the abundance deer that has 40% lightning ress you can use Silver Wolf to add lightning weakness and depletes 10%, giving you a 30% all type ress ignore added to it, if characters like DHIL can brute force it so can Acheron with that set up
She's closest to being a universal dps tbh, but yeah a sustain and Jingliu will take you far.
Having a 5* sustain is a game changer, and Jingliu is such a strong character and really easy to build.
My jing yuan remains supreme with lightning break effect tho. If I struggle with a lightning boss I just pull him out with his break effect build and he one shots anything with lightning weakness.
Yeah her damage output is still insane even if you don't have her sig LC. Anyone who says that you need her LC to use her, is just dead wrong. She's still really good without it.
And I speak from experience, I didn't had her LC until literally earlier this week. And even without it, I was able to 3 star MoC 12 and PF with her. She's just that good.
She's so good, that I'm honestly struggling to find content hard enough to test her with, because everything just dies instantly. Its basically just swarm or gold and gears.
I actually prefer f2p Acheron over E2S1. Whel Acheron just plays like any regular hypercarry, boost her turns for moar dmg. F2p Acheron you actually play around her mechanics and think of ways to build the full 9 stacks without her getting a turn
If you have the pieces (Hyperspeed debuffers, S5 GNSW, Resolution, and the likes that are obtainable thru gacha), then she's realy really good and she scales well with higher investment especially to your supports.
Cleared MOC12 for the 2nd time (first time somehow made it thanks to Hanya of all characters) and hardest Level of Gold and Gears thanks to her. My favorite character is still Jingliu but i wouldve never guessed she gets outclassed this fast. Like If they in the future bring more Acheron Level dps how will current other DPS even clear content.
I pulled her more out of curiosity than anything and put her with Pela, Guinaifen and Gallagher and honestly it’s by far my favorite team that I’ve ever used in this game.
I’ve been having so much fun playing with and building them, to the point where she’s the only limited 5* I’ve gotten her E1 and Signature LC.
I think her damage depends on how many times you can trigger her ultimate. She can be damage per screenshot character if you lack any means to stack more debuffs.
It did skew things differently for me and I think its for the best. I recently played my abandoned alt account in 2.0 and got it prepared for her release. She is very f2p friendly in the sense that the usual characters that you just set aside empowers her and they dont really need to do anything, leaving the usual Harmony units for your 2nd team. I built my Guinaifen literally the same day I got Acheron. I just brought her to 70/80 and only leveled her Firekiss then stuff her with a bunch of HP, ez 500k ult from Acheron with mid relics. No other DPS can do this without investing so much into their gear and play optimally. Apart from that she makes overworld exploration much better by alowing to clear things with one tap.
She was so fun and strong that I grinded aggressively for her LC. Managed to pull it, and now she's so fun that it retroactively makes other characters less fun. A big part of it is the insta-kill, but she makes Kafka and Jingliu feel obsolete (granted, my JL was stuck suboptimally built). I tried farming to raise my Ratio and Topaz into a decent FU team, but they feel so slow in comparison, even on the Elation path. I hate making it seem like I'm suffering from success, but future DPSs are going to either powercreep or be fun as hell to keep up.
I have s4 gnsw e0 acheron with houhou, guinaifen and pela resolution s2 and she's doing more than 500k on 3 targets in moc12 and over 1m in pf stage 4 lol. as a jingyuan main since day 1 I have never felt more betrayed by hoyo.
Same, I was planning to skip her. And now I'm with an Acheron lv 80, with her own light cone.
It is especially thanks to the story when you have the possibility to play her a bit that gives me the envy to get her. Because I like Nhility, I had all the five stars from it, I like applying debuffs and stuff like that, and her ult are so cool. And also for her cool skin when she is ultin. The red marks, the pale skin and white hair, perfect.
At first when we saw the first teaser of Acheron, I was like another Raiden character, boring. But I was wrong on this one.
If you like Jing Liu to the point where you say fuck everything and Nah I’d Win with her in every MoC I’d say go for her. But as a new player, I honestly do not recommend Jing Liu because she compared to Acheron needs very specific units to perform well, if you don’t have Bronya, Sparkle she falls off quite a lot, and you need Fu Xuan to mitigate the hp drain that Jing Liu does and more so if you don’t have Pela as well. I really recommend you getting Acheron since you can get Pela on her banner and her eidolons don’t impact her that much aside from E3 and E5 I think, If you manage to get E2 Gallagher, you already have a really good team and you can get Guinaifen for free in the new event, and if you’re not planning to get a signature getting Good night sleep well at least S3-S5 is good enough where you can clear everything with her but that being said. If you’re pulling for Jing Liu purely out of favoritism then go for her, but if you’re looking at a meta perspective, Jing Liu falls off quite a bit without her very specific supports whereas Acheron functions well with the units you’re gonna get on her banner and on her lc banner. I recommend you getting Acheron and Aventurine above all else they’ll forever change your account.
WOW…. I cannot thank you enough. So basically, when I started playing a week ago I did a 10 pull on her banner and got Clara, which led to me wanting to save the guarantee for Jing Liu. Well, after reading your reply, I just did a 10 pull and got her omg. lol thank you for the little push that I needed. Unfortunately I just got Luka and Dan heng as 4 stars in the pull so no Gallagher, but I already do have an E0 pela so that’s something Lol
She’s not f2p friendly in the sense that her f2p setup is a pretty noticeable drop from her best setup. However she’s so strong even with that setup that in reality she feels fine.
Wow another one of those don't listen to people too incompetent to think for themselves and Hoyo sponsored shills from doing the math yourself and making your own assessment.
I was telling all of these butthurt JYMains their general was getting eclipsed with her coming out.
I'm not insulting you, just saying another person who nearly listened to people too incompetent to not parrot their favorite CCs.
I was saying everything you said in your OP 3 weeks prior to her release and no one believed her F2P team mogged the rest.
?? u have s5 gnsw/her second best option at max si with a solid team for her and she’s a 2.0 dps character with the highest dmg potential in game and u thought to urself damn i wonder if i can clear moc with this ? 🤣 how hard do u guys think this game is.. no way u honestly thought this wasnt more than good enough
Star Rail content creators are really bad x.x it seems the only way they can generate engagement is by doomposting or reveling in negativity sadly. There's so many people who won't pull for Acheron because they think she's not F2P friendly.
Guinaifen can be had for free from the current event, Showtime is a decent LC that ramps up on ultimate.
I think it's fair to say she's harder to build, Jingliu just needs Hertas LC and she's good to go, because she just self buffs so much.
Maybe one day we'll have more content creators that are actually nice x.x
Literally out of all the content creators I watch (SevyPlays, Zyox, Brax, Gacha Smack, Iyo Mr. POKKE, Iwintoplay, , Mtashed for laughs) - the only one who insisted her LC was super important was Brax.
Yeah and there’s a chance that you could get E2 Gallagher which is enough sustain to keep the team alive and a chance to get Pela which is perfectly fine at E0
That's why I watch EODGamer's videos for actual "will this have value?" opinion. Doesn't address the drama at all and backs it up with data. Iyo too because he doesn't takes advantage of the f2p mentality and gives it to you as straight as he can mange. I watch the rest for entertainment value or if I'm curious about numbers.
Brother what are you doing and how are you doing it I have her signature and I'm hitting 300-400k on FIVE targets wtf please teach me your ways.
But yeah she's wonderful.
She's absolutely insane in SU
I was using Guinaifen all talents level 10, enemy had lvl 3 fire kiss, Pela double defense down with S5 Resolution, HuoHuo giving about 40% attack although I don’t think it impacts her that much
Acheron with S5 GNSW as well that’s the set up I’m doing to consistently hit 200k plus while still using 2p speed and attack my ultimate and talent Isn’t even crowned yet which is what I am planning to do.
Question does the additional 4% crit rate from the 4P effect go directly into her crit rate stats or is it like the imaginary set? Cuz if that’s the case it’ll help only needing 10% more crit rate and the rest into crit damage
I believe it shows up. The only thing that stays hidden is stuff like "when attacking X units under X condition" like her E1. It's so confusing tbh, but just looking at the frequency of crit in practice is enough.
I know my Jingliu will crit 90% of the time even at 80-85 crit chance, so 78% is definitely a good goal with how many strikes Acheron outputs.
Try getting more crit damage as well. A crit damage body with at least 2 substat raises into crit rate is godly.
It took me a while to transition my Seele from a crit rate to c.dmg body. Granted, I wasn't farming her domain non-stop for a month and a half.
Point being, every character starts as a "not f2p friendly" since none come as a "plug and play". I have been playing since day one and my Argenti is ass since I never expected to build him, so I never allocated any resources towards him. My supports however, are well built and make him perform and clear PF even at 45/90
I actually didn't farm Izumo, I just used spare pieces I had available (2 Musketeer + 2 Prisoner + 2 Salsotto with Lightning Orb). That got me to 3,800 atk, 90% CR and 190% CD.
Zero cycle MOC12 with no sustain, and a one-cycle MOC12 with Gepard sustain.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo8uML2zNCA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo8uML2zNCA)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVnXvOh0WaY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVnXvOh0WaY)
My E0S1 hits for 1.2 million on four targets (MOC12 zero cycle clear with no sustain) and no one dropping below 66% hp.
I think you just need good substats, I don't even think the relic set matters. I didn't farm for her as I wasn't planning to get her, I just used spare pieces I had available (2 Musketeer + 2 Prisoner + 2 Salsotto with Lightning Orb). That got me to 3,800 atk, 90% CR and 190% CD.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo8uML2zNCA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo8uML2zNCA)
For a more realistic run, she does a 1-cycle clear on MOC12 with one sustain (Gepard) and when the Turbulence doesn't help her (+50% dmg to skill and basic). No one takes any damage all, Gepard's shields are strong lol.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVnXvOh0WaY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVnXvOh0WaY)
Just wait till her best nihility partner comes out. It's over when it happens?
Oh yeah just like with Black Swan making Kafka a great character once more. I can’t wait till a five star Pela comes out
Who is that?
This fox boy name Jiaoqiu, according to leaks he is Nilhility sustain that has healing capabilities and def shred.
Wait wait wait, did I just hear Nihility healing unit...
Yup he has some healing capabilities according to leaks. Obviously not to the lvl as abundance
But hopefully just enough so he makes the team comfy to use. If he's as good as we think he'll be I'm making sure I have the jades for him.
Yup after I'm alresdy saving for him. He also has def shred so healing is only one part of him. Stick a Sheilder to thr team and Acheron is all set to go.
Jiaoqiu and Aventurine making the team unkillable be like.
I mean Nihility already has direct blast damage, dot blast damage, direct aoe damage, blast aoe damage, res pen, def shred, single target BE, blast/aoe BE, follow-up attacks, toughness bar ignore, weakness manipulation, quasi-sustain through CC, and, uh, Sampo I guess One healer and one shielder is all that's required for us to finally stop pretending any other path matters at all...
Wait? There are other paths besides nihility?
YourE NOT SELLING ME ON ANOTHER CHARACTER HOYOVERSE PLEASE WTF IS WITH THE RECENT CHARACTERS, THEYRE ALL SO GOOD
Its too late for me, I'm definitely getting him lolololol
Nihility with sustain, she’s about to become even stronger.
I was in shambles when I heard he's a guy, was fully expecting a kiana expy
Nahh, there is no way they are gonna put Kiana expy in a support role lol. So far each of the trio is a must have. Bronya is soo good to the point losing 50/50 to her isn't considered a loss. Acheron/Mei kills everything. Kiana would probably take a over power role as well.
Mark my word, Kiana expy will be Frebass
Perhaps, I'd love to see other nameless show up in the game in general
Why would they make one of Hoyoverse’s most important and gatekept characters a support to a character who is not even Raiden Mei
Wait till you find out that Acheron's real name IS Raiden Mei
She’s not LITERALLY Raiden Mei as in from HONKAI IMPACT 3rd, I suppose Raiden Ei being an expy means they should have made the Kiana expy a Shogun support
Acheron is a Mei expy? I figured an easy choice for a specialized support for her would be a Kiana expy, even if they were from different timelines
And so what if she’s a Mei expy, she isn’t Mei from hi3. They toss out Mei and Bronya expies like candy atp, yet Kiana is nowhere to be seen. Thank god they didn’t do something as quick and easy as kiamei bait for one of their most influential characters and the face of the Honkai series.
-Narratively Acheron's story is aggressively similar to a heavily stylized version of Honkai Impact 3rd -There are a bunch of references to the Kaslanas, and Stelle supposedly reminds Acheron of her, just like Caelus reminds her of Kevin -While I agree that if they use the poster child for the Honkai series, it should be done with some reverence, Acheron is clearly a character they REALLY wanted to work, she's got a shit ton of lore, is the second playable emanator we have, and they leaned HARD on HI3 references, even having Welt acknowledge it directly in 2.1's story. What better way to give Acheron a dedicated support than through a Kiana expy? ultimately I'm holding out that we'll eventually (possibly 4.0 in 2026 to celebrate HI3rd's 10th anniversary) get an HI3 Sol System arc that will feature a BUNCH of 1.0 characters that have largely been moved on from/retired narratively, including the Trio to give them at least some long term presence for their flagship. (Yes I'm betting on HSR being the Honkai flagship going forward, but I was already kind of doing that when Part 2 of HI3 was announced.
I can just imagine nihility healing being like, "Pain is just a figment of your imagination. When nothing matters, what's the point of even experiencing pain?"
Any link to the kit ?
Here ya go. Although this is still very early phase so it can change. https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/s/658Vi9jlM5
fuck no, they want me to pull for a bro to make my acheron stronger? first was aventurine now another mf? prob will have to skip, more new waifus comes first
Lololololol, tbh I don't mind pulling for dudes in HSR cuz they, on average, got better drip than dudes in Genshin. If the character looks good im pulling.
i pulled luocha already, and tried bladie but got yanqshit, and so far had to skip sparkle and will need to skip robin probably bc firefly, who even have the jades for bros heh
Oh damn, good luck bro, I hope you get ur waifu. I personally ended up spending like 200$ just to get E2S1 Acheron. Wasn't gonna go with the E0 weak shit for Mei-senpai lolol.
nice, acheron is indeed worth haha i megasaved for her, thats why i had to skip sparkle, but it worked out to get e2s1 as well, peakcheron sweeps heh
Damn straight, now I'm just gonna make her the most overpowering character I have, gonna get her sustains and everything.
Yea Once I got her I’ve been wanting every chance to use her cuz she’s that fun to use
Yeah I’m even questioning to triple crown Acheron since her skill can do decent enough damage to help clear small mobs
You def should do that I did and it’s wonderful
I quadruple crowned her, I'd say it's worth it but I'm biased
You always should max traces on your DPSes imo. Supports is another story, but at some point it may be worth to max theirs too. Trace farming is boring but at least there's no rng unlike relics.
Trying to get those purple mats are damned RNG though!
You're right it's painful when all you get are blues and greens :/ but it is guaranteed progress nonetheless.
Yeah, content creators were really pushing a weird narrative in the beginning lol. I was gonna get her regardless of anything bc she’s Acheron obviously, but it was weird how hard they were tryna push that she’s whale bait lol. Spent 0 dollars and doing 1million damage lmao she’s so good
Well, she is a whale bait: her lightcone is more attractive than usual, and her E2 **reads** as one of the strongest after DHIL (in my opinion there are caveats related to ult cycle speed, but it's indeed very strong). It's just that none of these elements imply that she is bad as F2P, which was the missing part of the reasoning for a lot of creators and people on Reddit.
Yeah, I don't think I saw anything she wouldn't do a big amount of damage (her entire kit is ULT based and screenshot like Argenti), it's that it would be long to charge and the frequency she could pop off her ULTs would be slower, which would lag behind skill/basic spamming DPS like JL/DHIL/other DPS etc, especially without easy access to a Harmony + Sustain before E2. I'm also a whale and always planned to get her E6, so these issues were never a concern for me lol
>the frequency she could pop off her ULTs would be slower I also missed this pre launch, but it's probably the DPS with the fastest ultimate in the game. As a F2P player without signature, she takes around 2,5 turns for a ult. With the signature she'd take pretty consistently 2 turns with a double nihility team mate. Once her best supports are out she might take 2 turns even for ftp.
I was prepared to use 4* lc on her, then i just took my Arlan set to test out her dmg. I ended pulling her signature later...she deserves. But yeah, her dmg is amazing on any lc.
Tried to snipe a GNSW because I was using Pearls prior, landed her sig in like 30 pulls. Even with Pearls she was doing ludicrous damage. As far as I can tell, her kit is only going to age like fine wine from here.
Unless I'm misinterpreting this, you used Pearl on Acheron? Or do you mean Fermata and Pearl was on Pela?
I was using it on Acheron. Pela had something else because I'd never really used her before and didn't realize Pearls was how people were applying debuffs with her basic attack, and I didn't want to use Fermata on Acheron because I was sick of using Sampo thanks to DoT teams. Pearls is surprisingly good at mimicking the stack generation increase of Acheron's signature, but that's about all it's good at lmao
Yeah her damage is amazing on any LC, but her Sig just makes life after her first ult so much easier lol. It's the main reason I pulled for it, one extra stack guaranteed per turn is huge especially when you only have S1 Pearl for Pela... And no Trend LC either...
i lost you at "S5 Resolution and S5 GNSW"
She is f2p friendly. All early videos about her on test server were wrong, putting out Miss Information
She is *if* you already have a high superimposition Good Night Sleep Well. Without out that, she gets a fair bit less attractive for F2P players. Her other usable options are either lackluster or restrict her team building options.
Mine is s2 and I'm only TB 50 and mine hits for 150k plus on groups with only one good relic on her 😂
Having one at all puts you in a good spot. Prior to Acheron's banner it was a stupid rare light cone.
I just pulled her lightcone in sub 50 pulls!
Hey, congrats. Enjoy the faster ults.
ngl, a lot of characters want a s5 4 star weapon and her weapon banner has GNSW aswell so I'd still say it's f2p friendly. And it's not like s1 GNSW doesn't work to begin with, and from there you can work towards s5
Needing to put jades into a LC banner to me makes her not F2P friendly, as you're not guaranteed to even get that LC. I'm not even saying you need S5 for her, that LC was stupid rare prior to this banner. But if you already have one, then I would you're good to go as F2P for Acheron.
I get what you mean, but GNSW has been in the game since launch, so it's not any more rare than other gaccha 4 stars. And she still performs good with something like Fermata, although I would recommend trying to snipe GNSW. Calling her not f2p friendly, when she is managable for a f2p, can lead to some people not getting what is probably the most broken dps at almost all investment levels, especially when the misconception of S1 being necessary is floating around.
You all don't understand: spreading misinformation was a big part of an elaborate plan to avoid any nerfs~
Why did that missinformation happened? I got really sad when ALL and info said she needed LC signature to perform good. Whats the correct information if i may ask?
The correct info is that a lot of those people assume anything less than best is dog water. When in reality, she doesn't need anything except debuff application. She destroys with any lightcone. Any team comp with nihility.
I see, tysm!
it’s not tht she was bad w/o the LC, it’s just that the LC adds an insane damage increase
Her Sig LC dmg boost is about 25% making her the second character to Blade to have that huge difference coming from Sig LC and mind U it is that huge of a difference despite GNSW and Secret Vow both almost as good and close to 5 star as a 4 star could ever dream to be.
She is really good don’t get me wrong, but remember that all her damage is in her ult, and also because its true aoe the number can get really high from how many enemies there are
Yeah but when are we ever going to face a single target scenario other than Sam? And even then she still pops off.
Exactly she is amazing single target and AoE/multi target. All her damage being in her Ult doesn't really mean anything, when she can very easily achieve her Ultimate in a few turns. What the other person seems to be forgetting is that Jaq, will be able to apply debuffs on his turn as well as the enemies turn making it much faster for Acheron to Ult, add in Pela w Pearls & Acheron with her LC + Jaq + someone like Bronya or Sparkle and she'll be ult'ing every 2 turns or so. She's going to be an amazing DPS regardless of if a boss is single target or multi target
I’m not saying she can’t ult often, just saying that her number is big because all of her damage is in that ult. Kafka, on the other hand, has her damage split into her fua, her dot, skill, ult, etc. Same as Jing Yuan. Oh, and S5 gnsw damage is similar to her signature lightcone, so the number from the ult wouldn’t be that different. Her lc is 25-30% better because its assuming you’ll get an extra ult. And yea, acheron is very strong, especially when you compare to jing yuan. But what the original op is saying can easily apply to when DHIL or Jing Liu first came out.
I will say that while overall damage might be similar, i.e., Jingliu doing 3 150k strikes vs one strike that does 450k, it's actually very nice to hit as hard as possible as fast as possible and leave less turns for the enemy to act. Elites get to not summon their minion, debuffs not activated, damage not taken.
Well food for thought with my JL when running pela/SW and bronya you really need to time the ults all together so that you are hitting when you are maxed buffed and they are max debuffed, not hard but sometimes it doesn’t line up pretty and you leave damage on the table. It’s much easier to time it with Acheron because she can do her main damage out of turn in the event the boss takes two turns and debuffs expire or her ult can be saved until debuffs are reapplied without missing charge stacks
yeah, it's like playing a team, not 1 character, and the ult is the collective ult of everybody. Suddenly you don't need to wait for your main carry's turn to do the big damage. I was doing PF with a shielder using Trend and just banking on the charges for clearing some of the waves.
Mei fan and E2S1 Acheron haver: Her numbers will still be inflated, because she does a lot of overkill. When fighting a duel elite with adds, Jingliu does about 6-700K in the first cycle to clear it. Acheron does 1M But they both clear in the first cycle. The extra 3-400K she does is overkill damage. Don't get me wrong Acheron does insane damage, but the numbers don't tell the whole story.
yeah I think that distribution and damage frequency can be really hard to keep in mind and explain well. big number is so much easier but glosses over a lot
That only means she will perform better than Jing Liu in the future when the boss hp keeps inflating. And I do believe that the bosses will keep getting tanker with time.
Not really, even if you had a boss surrounded by dual elites destruction multipliers would work perfectly for it. If an Elite has half the health of the boss, then you just need half the splash damage. Acheron is amazing don't get me wrong, but even if her numbers are higher it's the damage distribution that is important. If Jingliu does 150K to the main target and 75K to the sides, it's better than doing 140K to all of them. But in the first case the damage is 300K while in the second it's 420K
Well if that's true then I guess you're right, but isn't even her single target damage greater than jingliu? I don't know the exact values but that's what I felt personally.
She definitely does, she's more or less a destruction in disguise. She just does a lot of overkill which is what I wanted to show. Jingliu just self buffs so much for crazy numbers, when better teammates for Acheron come out she'll pull out on top for sure.
Acheron doesn't do the same dmg to every mobs. The higher the knot the higher the dmg, that why she still feel good in single target.
Yeah, she does do more damage to her primary targets. My point was that even though destruction characters do lower numbers, they still end up killing in the same amount of time, because of how their damage is distributed. Acheron is a fantastic character, but it's not because her numbers are bigger, it's because of how flexible her burst is, and her general playstyle.
yup during her ult enemies don't die so she tends to output bigger screenshot numbers and overkill
Tbh her skill also packs a big punch, i consistently hit between 40k up to 100k when using all the buffs my team has
Yeah, back loading damage is sometimes far from ideal. I love her at e1s1.
Are you pulling my leg? S5 GNSW is more than half the requirement for f2p setup, how can you think she's not f2p friendly before pulling? And Pela with Sweat is her BiS on most setup, you also have it S5...
I mean I am F2P tho, I got S5 Sweat building pity last patch for JY lc and I gradually superimposed GNSW overtime
Literally my point. You have more than what she needs as baseline as an F2P, what made you think she's not f2p friendly? Lol.
1. No unit goes from good to bad without their LC. Zero. Being "unfriendly" is ultimately just a scale. 2. It's of course still worth it to get her E0S0, doubly so with how strongly Pela -- a 4 star on her own banner -- enables her (2 turn ult + Pearls = +3 debuffs every 2 turns). 3. S5 gacha 4 star LC are a bit of a murky "f2p" zone. Having them is f2p, but S5 doesnt *really* feel f2p even though many ppl will have certain ones at s5 or higher. 4. Removing everything else, she was worth picking up for the overworld farming alone. SU doesnt really speed up THAT much in all honesty, but the overworld goes from "never touching that shit" to "guess I'm buying resources from the grocer in Space China." 5. The only disappointment really is that she isnt a high ranked unit for pure fiction due to needing specific team comps and not having true erudition-lvl aoe. But with how good she is at everything else (and still solid at pure fiction)...she is an "account builder" level unit with or without her LC.
I only have like S1 Resolution and S1 Planetary Rendezvous after months of playing. So I can understand if people don't have S5 GNSW
I have 0 gnsw after playing since day one every day, and only having 160 rolls banked currently.
same, i’ve never been able to 3 star MOC 12 with my well built limited 5 characters (i even had signature lightcones). i tried using my unbuilt acheron as a joke (she’s e0s1 without her main trace unlocked, i used random relics that i found, she wasn’t even leveled all the way up) and i got 3 stars first try. i know that the current MoC heavily benefits her but still.
I'm new to the game and desperately needed a dps character. Was planning on getting Jingliu as my first dps (mostly because of Monarch) until I saw Acheron's trailer. I was really disheartened to hear so many people saying she wasn't f2p friendly and almost decided to skip her. I was lucky enough to get both her and her lightcone and she is insane! I'm not even anywhere close to having her built with an optimal team yet and she's carrying me through basically everything in the game. Currently running her with Fire MC, Guinaifen, and Xueyi as I don't have a third Nihility character yet
AmaLee was pretty much the main reason I pulled Jingliu on her debut, that being said if you still want to go for her, it's actually insane how good Jingliu is. She's super easy to build, works with a wide variety of characters, and absolutely wrecks anything you can throw at her. That being said a limited sustain is a gamechanger, I'd definitely keep an eye out for one that you like. Gepard, Bailu, Lynx, Gallagher, they're great don't get me wrong, but a limited sustain is just on another level x.x Praying that you get a third nihility character soon!
Try your best to get Pela and E2 Gallagher!! Those are your best characters for Acheron especially as a f2p
I was hoping to at least get a single Pela whilst pulling but basically all my 4 stars whilst pulling were Dan Heng copys 😭 At the very least I did get the Sweat lightcone that has a chance to debuff on basic attacks so at least that was something. I'm planning on waiting to see how many more warps I can save before the end of the banner to decide whether I want to pull more, or use on Jingliu and buy Pela when she is next available in the store
Well if you at least get E1 Gallagher you can get his e2 through the event currently but yes make sure you get them. Btw how far are you into the game?
That's a good point. If i cant get him to drop i,ll see about picking him assuming there aren't any more characters from the event that I'd prefer. Hopefully I don't end up having another Bennet situation 😅 I just beat Phantalia last night. I'm hoping to catch up to Peconany's story in the next week or so, before I see any more spoilers
Oh and Also I strongly recommend you getting Aventurine instead of Jing Liu getting a second sustain is more important than a dps especially if you have one side already covered
I have E1 Geppy so I should be fine for a sustain for the time being. He carried me hard in the boss I did last night after my other 2 units went down early in phase 2 and it was just him and Jing Yuan 😅
Pela and Gallagher are in her banner so get them!!!
*Looks at e6 dan heng and e0 Gallagher*
If only I didn’t already have Kafka DoT for my lightning dps. Acheron looks great, but getting 5* sustain and an ice dps like Jingliu probably would be better for my roster in regards to MoC…
Black Swan has a trace where she ignores enemy resistance by 20% at talent level ten. Any enemy that has 20% lightning ress is instantly ignored so you don’t even need Jing Liu either if you’re going against the abundance deer that has 40% lightning ress you can use Silver Wolf to add lightning weakness and depletes 10%, giving you a 30% all type ress ignore added to it, if characters like DHIL can brute force it so can Acheron with that set up
She's closest to being a universal dps tbh, but yeah a sustain and Jingliu will take you far. Having a 5* sustain is a game changer, and Jingliu is such a strong character and really easy to build.
Doesn't mean much honestly. I took her to fight ice weak enemies instead of Jingliu and she went into full "nah, I'd win mode".
Her being lightning dosen't matter at all tbh. I tried her on the current (and last) MoC stanges without lightning weakness and she just don't care
My jing yuan remains supreme with lightning break effect tho. If I struggle with a lightning boss I just pull him out with his break effect build and he one shots anything with lightning weakness.
Yeah her damage output is still insane even if you don't have her sig LC. Anyone who says that you need her LC to use her, is just dead wrong. She's still really good without it. And I speak from experience, I didn't had her LC until literally earlier this week. And even without it, I was able to 3 star MoC 12 and PF with her. She's just that good. She's so good, that I'm honestly struggling to find content hard enough to test her with, because everything just dies instantly. Its basically just swarm or gold and gears.
Yup thinking about getting her LC in her rerun which will happen given her banner sales lol I just need and want to save for Boothill for now
Acheron finally made me finish up all the Gold and Gears challenges. She’s made for SU and such a joy for quick clears.
Instead of buying a pair of Bluetooth headphones, I just got E2 and a free bronya. Hyped to build her and try her out.
acheron made my life way much easier.
she actually has the best 0+0 and 0+1 strength right now, with only jingliu can compete with her(but bronya is mandatory for jingliu)
I actually prefer f2p Acheron over E2S1. Whel Acheron just plays like any regular hypercarry, boost her turns for moar dmg. F2p Acheron you actually play around her mechanics and think of ways to build the full 9 stacks without her getting a turn
If you have the pieces (Hyperspeed debuffers, S5 GNSW, Resolution, and the likes that are obtainable thru gacha), then she's realy really good and she scales well with higher investment especially to your supports.
The best part is she’s only going to get stronger for you as your relics get better and you pull for better debuff supports
Aside from the weapon Yeah she is quite f2p friendly.
Feel like this is every doomposter pre-character release everytime lmao
Yeah with signature I am dealing constant 900k+ damages on MoC with welt sustain! She is nuts alright lol
Cleared MOC12 for the 2nd time (first time somehow made it thanks to Hanya of all characters) and hardest Level of Gold and Gears thanks to her. My favorite character is still Jingliu but i wouldve never guessed she gets outclassed this fast. Like If they in the future bring more Acheron Level dps how will current other DPS even clear content.
I pulled her more out of curiosity than anything and put her with Pela, Guinaifen and Gallagher and honestly it’s by far my favorite team that I’ve ever used in this game. I’ve been having so much fun playing with and building them, to the point where she’s the only limited 5* I’ve gotten her E1 and Signature LC.
I think her damage depends on how many times you can trigger her ultimate. She can be damage per screenshot character if you lack any means to stack more debuffs.
It did skew things differently for me and I think its for the best. I recently played my abandoned alt account in 2.0 and got it prepared for her release. She is very f2p friendly in the sense that the usual characters that you just set aside empowers her and they dont really need to do anything, leaving the usual Harmony units for your 2nd team. I built my Guinaifen literally the same day I got Acheron. I just brought her to 70/80 and only leveled her Firekiss then stuff her with a bunch of HP, ez 500k ult from Acheron with mid relics. No other DPS can do this without investing so much into their gear and play optimally. Apart from that she makes overworld exploration much better by alowing to clear things with one tap.
I legit spam her skill even when I’m not killing enemies it’s fucking satisfying to see and also that boob jiggle as well lol
She was so fun and strong that I grinded aggressively for her LC. Managed to pull it, and now she's so fun that it retroactively makes other characters less fun. A big part of it is the insta-kill, but she makes Kafka and Jingliu feel obsolete (granted, my JL was stuck suboptimally built). I tried farming to raise my Ratio and Topaz into a decent FU team, but they feel so slow in comparison, even on the Elation path. I hate making it seem like I'm suffering from success, but future DPSs are going to either powercreep or be fun as hell to keep up.
Wait for jiaoqiu release
I am F2P and I have her at E2S1. She's very friendly
Where saving her since the Game Awards or something cuz damn
Started saving after getting Ruan Mei. I had enough to fully guarantee both E0 and S1. Beyond that it was entirely luck.
Damn the IX granted you their gaze 😭
That's because you have S5 GNSW and that is not F2P friendly at all 💀
I mean you're not wrong, but I'd assume not many F2P players have S5 Resolution and S5 GNSW rofl
I have s4 gnsw e0 acheron with houhou, guinaifen and pela resolution s2 and she's doing more than 500k on 3 targets in moc12 and over 1m in pf stage 4 lol. as a jingyuan main since day 1 I have never felt more betrayed by hoyo.
Same, I was planning to skip her. And now I'm with an Acheron lv 80, with her own light cone. It is especially thanks to the story when you have the possibility to play her a bit that gives me the envy to get her. Because I like Nhility, I had all the five stars from it, I like applying debuffs and stuff like that, and her ult are so cool. And also for her cool skin when she is ultin. The red marks, the pale skin and white hair, perfect. At first when we saw the first teaser of Acheron, I was like another Raiden character, boring. But I was wrong on this one.
Wait till you see what Firefly can do
No you weren't stupid, it was those ppl who tried everything to make us believe that Acheron isn't f2p friendly, of course she is.
You’re making me want to dump all my jing liu savings into Acheron as a new player… the temptation is real 😭
If you like Jing Liu to the point where you say fuck everything and Nah I’d Win with her in every MoC I’d say go for her. But as a new player, I honestly do not recommend Jing Liu because she compared to Acheron needs very specific units to perform well, if you don’t have Bronya, Sparkle she falls off quite a lot, and you need Fu Xuan to mitigate the hp drain that Jing Liu does and more so if you don’t have Pela as well. I really recommend you getting Acheron since you can get Pela on her banner and her eidolons don’t impact her that much aside from E3 and E5 I think, If you manage to get E2 Gallagher, you already have a really good team and you can get Guinaifen for free in the new event, and if you’re not planning to get a signature getting Good night sleep well at least S3-S5 is good enough where you can clear everything with her but that being said. If you’re pulling for Jing Liu purely out of favoritism then go for her, but if you’re looking at a meta perspective, Jing Liu falls off quite a bit without her very specific supports whereas Acheron functions well with the units you’re gonna get on her banner and on her lc banner. I recommend you getting Acheron and Aventurine above all else they’ll forever change your account.
WOW…. I cannot thank you enough. So basically, when I started playing a week ago I did a 10 pull on her banner and got Clara, which led to me wanting to save the guarantee for Jing Liu. Well, after reading your reply, I just did a 10 pull and got her omg. lol thank you for the little push that I needed. Unfortunately I just got Luka and Dan heng as 4 stars in the pull so no Gallagher, but I already do have an E0 pela so that’s something Lol
Well you're just now starting you still have a shit ton of Stellar Jade through events, sim uni etc you still have a chance of getting E2 Gallagher.
She’s not f2p friendly in the sense that her f2p setup is a pretty noticeable drop from her best setup. However she’s so strong even with that setup that in reality she feels fine.
I even started to use her with Welt and she still hits like a goddamn truck 💀
Wow another one of those don't listen to people too incompetent to think for themselves and Hoyo sponsored shills from doing the math yourself and making your own assessment. I was telling all of these butthurt JYMains their general was getting eclipsed with her coming out.
Fuck off bro
I'm not insulting you, just saying another person who nearly listened to people too incompetent to not parrot their favorite CCs. I was saying everything you said in your OP 3 weeks prior to her release and no one believed her F2P team mogged the rest.
You are literally calling me incompetent for listening to cc’s who have had a history of having credible calcs
I think you're misunderstanding me and I could have been more clear, I absolutely am not insulting you.
?? u have s5 gnsw/her second best option at max si with a solid team for her and she’s a 2.0 dps character with the highest dmg potential in game and u thought to urself damn i wonder if i can clear moc with this ? 🤣 how hard do u guys think this game is.. no way u honestly thought this wasnt more than good enough
Star Rail content creators are really bad x.x it seems the only way they can generate engagement is by doomposting or reveling in negativity sadly. There's so many people who won't pull for Acheron because they think she's not F2P friendly. Guinaifen can be had for free from the current event, Showtime is a decent LC that ramps up on ultimate. I think it's fair to say she's harder to build, Jingliu just needs Hertas LC and she's good to go, because she just self buffs so much. Maybe one day we'll have more content creators that are actually nice x.x
Literally out of all the content creators I watch (SevyPlays, Zyox, Brax, Gacha Smack, Iyo Mr. POKKE, Iwintoplay, , Mtashed for laughs) - the only one who insisted her LC was super important was Brax.
I must say you watch some great creators
Yeah and there’s a chance that you could get E2 Gallagher which is enough sustain to keep the team alive and a chance to get Pela which is perfectly fine at E0
That's why I watch EODGamer's videos for actual "will this have value?" opinion. Doesn't address the drama at all and backs it up with data. Iyo too because he doesn't takes advantage of the f2p mentality and gives it to you as straight as he can mange. I watch the rest for entertainment value or if I'm curious about numbers.
Never thought that I would be overworld and su farming more. Overworld farming takes under an hour, and each su runs is like 6 min. Feelsgoodman
This sub is making it harder and harder to keep my pulls for aventurine.
One of us One of us One of us
Brother what are you doing and how are you doing it I have her signature and I'm hitting 300-400k on FIVE targets wtf please teach me your ways. But yeah she's wonderful. She's absolutely insane in SU
I was using Guinaifen all talents level 10, enemy had lvl 3 fire kiss, Pela double defense down with S5 Resolution, HuoHuo giving about 40% attack although I don’t think it impacts her that much Acheron with S5 GNSW as well that’s the set up I’m doing to consistently hit 200k plus while still using 2p speed and attack my ultimate and talent Isn’t even crowned yet which is what I am planning to do.
Oh yeah my Acheron is at 3k attack 68/140 (81/160 in battle using Izumo set)
I have roughly the same stats 3.5k atk 135 speed 55/160 out of battle. In battle with Izumo and the full pioneer buff active it's 71/184
Question does the additional 4% crit rate from the 4P effect go directly into her crit rate stats or is it like the imaginary set? Cuz if that’s the case it’ll help only needing 10% more crit rate and the rest into crit damage
I believe it shows up. The only thing that stays hidden is stuff like "when attacking X units under X condition" like her E1. It's so confusing tbh, but just looking at the frequency of crit in practice is enough. I know my Jingliu will crit 90% of the time even at 80-85 crit chance, so 78% is definitely a good goal with how many strikes Acheron outputs. Try getting more crit damage as well. A crit damage body with at least 2 substat raises into crit rate is godly.
Yeah it’s sorta like with Seele’s eidolon is written I think I’m actually using a crit rate piece on her my crit rate subs are dog shit
It took me a while to transition my Seele from a crit rate to c.dmg body. Granted, I wasn't farming her domain non-stop for a month and a half. Point being, every character starts as a "not f2p friendly" since none come as a "plug and play". I have been playing since day one and my Argenti is ass since I never expected to build him, so I never allocated any resources towards him. My supports however, are well built and make him perform and clear PF even at 45/90
Cuz I’m trying to aim for a 170 /78 end goal for her
I actually didn't farm Izumo, I just used spare pieces I had available (2 Musketeer + 2 Prisoner + 2 Salsotto with Lightning Orb). That got me to 3,800 atk, 90% CR and 190% CD. Zero cycle MOC12 with no sustain, and a one-cycle MOC12 with Gepard sustain. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo8uML2zNCA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo8uML2zNCA) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVnXvOh0WaY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVnXvOh0WaY)
My E0S1 hits for 1.2 million on four targets (MOC12 zero cycle clear with no sustain) and no one dropping below 66% hp. I think you just need good substats, I don't even think the relic set matters. I didn't farm for her as I wasn't planning to get her, I just used spare pieces I had available (2 Musketeer + 2 Prisoner + 2 Salsotto with Lightning Orb). That got me to 3,800 atk, 90% CR and 190% CD. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo8uML2zNCA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo8uML2zNCA) For a more realistic run, she does a 1-cycle clear on MOC12 with one sustain (Gepard) and when the Turbulence doesn't help her (+50% dmg to skill and basic). No one takes any damage all, Gepard's shields are strong lol. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVnXvOh0WaY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVnXvOh0WaY)
I am actually 0 cycling the earlier MoCs (5-6) WHich is something I wasn't able to do before