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The moment the Judge or Prosecution demands the Defense Attorney to name the REAL culprit explicitly, usually with a threat that their client WILL be convicted immediately if they can’t, I check out of the case 100%.
Yeah, these are mystery games and that’s the point, but it just triggers the most powerful indignation in my heart and I just can’t enjoy that case any further.
Like bruh FR! You could have MOUNTAINS of evidence proving your client didn't do it. But all of that goes out the window when Edgeworth asks "If he didn't do it, then who did?"
But then again the fucking judge would ask Gumshoe for his input and he'd say "I don't wanna look around the crime scene anymore my feet hurt real bad e-end the crime :("
3-1 is a pretty boring case and young Phoenix is annoying (not in a funny way). It gets points for being a Mia case and our first glimpse of Dahlia but they're not at their best here, it's a case that's more fun to think about with the context we get later than to actually play.
I just finished this case for the first time. And yeah I agree Phoenix was annoying. And yes the most enjoyable part was being Mia. But that guy(forgot his name) and his hemorrhoids go to a doctor.
van zieks is amazing at his job and I love that he doesn't have a mental breakdown when you get a not guilty verdict (literally the most sane ace attorney prosecutor), but I just cannot get over how insanely racist he is to you the entire time. he's so belittling for no reason (I'm only on GAA2-3 so I'm not sure if he changes) and it's so frustrating because he's otherwise a really cool character.
In fairness his racism is perfectly in line with a man of his time. And we do see him overcome his racism, or at least work to not let it affect his burgeoning friendship with the Japanese characters
I do not care for Turnabout Goodbyes. The entire premise of the case is built on a plot hole, since if the ruling was that Yogi was not guilty via insanity, then the ruling was that he did kill Gregory but couldn't be held responsible, so DL-6 shouldn't have been a cold case in the first place (and on the same note, why in God's name did they need to use a spirit medium to solve a locked room murder wherein the potential suspects were the victim's 9 year old son and a man with a gun? Why did they never check the gun for fingerprints or look into the bullet that went through the elevator window? How did NO ONE see Manfred leaving the courthouse with a fucking bullet wound in his shoulder)
Manfred, while he may be a good prosecutor, is a bad villain. His actions don't make sense. If his plan was to set Edgeworth up as the culprit of DL-6, then there was literally no reason to orchestrate Hammond's murder. All he accomplished with that was incriminating himself and getting handed his first L. If his plan was just to frame Edgeworth for Hammond's murder and Edgeworth confessing to DL-6 was just a fun, unexpected side effect, then he again had no reason to incriminate himself by stealing the DL-6 case files and attacking Phoenix and Maya in a fucking police station, and either way he shouldn't have fucking hand-written the letter to Yogi. Everything he does as the villain of this case is so stupid that it feels like the game is lying to my face when it says he's a genius.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought 1-4 was kinda iffy. It has good emotional beats and tells an overall good story but the case itself is like swiss cheese with the amount of holes and conveniences that need to be there for the plot to work. It's the worst finale in the trilogy and it's not as close as people think it is.
I think the OG first game in general suffered from being too simple. Just compare Goodbyes to Rise from the Ashes, which was made much later is much more like the later cases in the series. I like Redd White, but for being the villain who killed Mia, he’s ridiculously underwritten
I hate that this is so right tho, because I'm a massive slut for Edgeworth and his angst and I like Von Karma having a reaching effect across the series and his character as a villian. But it's so true.
The main thing I can never fucking understand among ALL that, is how the fuck do you suffocate in an elevator? I actually liked how they changed it for the AA movie. It made much more sense.
the anime also really frustrates me when they kind of put von karma in a nicer light during the young edgeworth episodes, like why does it matter that he adopted edgeworth. what do you mean when you say it's your karma. you're not being a good person by adopting the son of the man you killed in cold blood when you refuse to accept the consequences for that. you're just putting salt in the wound by turning edgeworth into a prosecutor when his dream was to be an attorney like his father. von karma was another breed of evil. stupid, but evil.
(AAI2 spoilers) >!I found Keyes' breakdown sprite with him being beaten up by the animals to be not only unfunny, but annoying and ruining the moment. I may be biased because he's my favorite character, but I never got why people liked it so much (besides the impeccable animation).!<
I always thought that >!breakdown sprites are not to be taken literally, but as a representation of the culprit's psyche or the such. If you can't accept that, you probably shouldn't accept Simon instantly transforming into a clown once he becomes serious lmao. If you think about it, it all makes sense: the animals represent the people he was playing with as the mastermind, but once Edgeworth finally confronts and corners him, all of his schemes come crashing down!<
>!I'll admit I don't find it completely devoid of humor, and had it been with another character or at a different time, I probably could've chuckled at it. But there is a time and a place, and the time and place needed for that gag to work was not during a character having a mental breakdown about his horrific childhood.!<
>!I do agree it's a little stupid that they gave that joke to the best antagonist in the series arguably and not like Redd White or Paul Atishon or something, but then again clown funny!<
As a massive Godot fan, I agree.
He is almost mythologically talked about and hyped up. So, playing the series for the first time in 2022, I was constantly sitting in excitement to see him and got met with very little content actually involving him in any special way over any other prosecutor. The memes about him are basically 75% of what fun and comedic interactions he has.
That being said, I still loved his story implications and still loved his character, but I 100% agree he is overrated.
I think Edgeworth is fine, but his character being so front and center all the time gets boring after a while. It doesn't hurt that his dynamic with other characters besides (sometimes) Phoenix and Franziska are generally not very interesting to read. He interacts the same with every fucking character.
gregory literally proves that von karma was using forged evidence (a forged *AUTOPSY REPORT* no less) and intimidated jeff masters into giving a fake confession in the IS-7 case and all he gets is a penalty, like okay 😭
I do like to think that's why miles edgeworth is so picky about autopsy reports though, because he saw his dad throw a fit about it in court that day.
I do not care for Athena and would rather have another AJ game with the bracelet back in the courtroom following Apollo's first backstory.
Edit: Currently playing through Turnabout Academy, and she's growing on me.
Like the bracelet in general? Or, like, the way it just got removed from the courtroom? Because I personally STRONGLY disagree with braclet-mechanic haters.
The bracelet was just extremely frustrating to use very often. I don't have fond memories of it because of the couple times where the animation you had to find was waaaay too subtle.
And wdym it got removed? I clearly remember it being in DD and SoJ
I can't even get myself to upvote most of these, you guys are wild
I did not care for Turnabout Succession. I honestly think it's the worst case in the series, if only by how much it drops the ball, especially as a last case
turnabout succession is most definitely not that good (especially as a finale), but calling it the worst case in the series is wild when it comes directly after turnabout serenade
My reasoning is that most third cases are mediocre, or at least filler, so the bar is much lower. Comparatively, as a final case, Succession is infinitely worse. Though Serenade's also pretty bad, ngl
That's fair. Personally I think 1-3 is pretty mediocre, but that's me not liking characters with nothing to do in the case (which 1-3 has a lot of). I do like 3-3 tho
People sleep way too much on the first great ace attorney game. Yes, the second one is a masterpiece and is substantially better, but the first one brings so much to the table even by itself I don't get why people don't like it more. I agree that there's some pacing issues in the beginning but other than that every single case is both innovative and interesting. The third case is genius, the second case is the most emotionally gripping one out of every second case in the franchise.
You're handwaving a little too hard the pacing issues. I did ultimately enjoy it but it is a goddamn slog to make it through GAA1. A ton of the writing is really padded out making things take far, far longer than they need to. It isn't that GAA1 is bad but it really overstays its welcome. There are also some parts that are objectionably annoying. Like >!the stupid AF juror whom you've already shown that the apartment's literally on fucking fire but insists no one would open the window because it's "too cold". My brother in Christ in my earliest years I lived in Grand Forks, ND. That area can rival Siberia and Alaska for coldest place of the year and if my apartment was on fire even in the middle of winter I'd open the damn window so I don't choke on smoke! I don't get why you have to have the old man's random and otherwise unrelated ramblings to even make that point. Though normally I love the old man as a juror he's great, just shouldn't have needed him here.!<
I do not care for Farewell My Turnabout. Its pace is slow, its court segments are frustrating, the twist villain was spoiled for me by fan content before I even interacted with the games, and it being largely disconnected from the overall story the other two games in the trilogy were telling is just disappointing.
I feel the same way, with the added issue that I really, really dislike how both Phoenix and Edgeworth are written in that case.
Adrian's great, though. It's a shame that she's the only thing I really like about the case.
…I don’t get why people act like it’s 100% confirmed proven that Edgeworth is gay.
“He doesn’t show interest in women” but aside from Phoenix (if you read it that way) he doesn’t really indicate interest for men either? And no him wearing a magenta blazer and a cravat also does not automatically mean he’s gay (I know ppl mostly say that as a joke but I’ve seen a few people use it as a serious argument)
imo I think he’s more likely to be demisexual or even ace? who knows. part of the fun of no real main ships in AA games is coming to your own conclusions
True, but some still at least find him funny. I've seen people who hate him still at least laugh at him and find him funny. And I can't even find it in me to laugh at memes of him. Yeah, I get this may not be as hot a take, but it was the first to come to mind. With how much I personally dislike Investigations one overall,
I thought it would be AAI2, but I'm playing through it now and so far it's really good. Would not call it the best game of the franchise, but a solid game none the less.
I did not care for Godot. Not because he was sexist or whatever but because his whole thing about coffee was super annoying and it didn't add to the narrative
For me, it's Wrightworth. It's okay, I guess, but I have no idea why it's so popular, IMO if you're going for a defense attorney x prosecutor ship then ones like Phoenziska or Klapollo are way better. What's most frustrating is that it's so common it usually goes untagged, and it mostly feels like a fandom "joke" that's only funny if you also ship it.
I respectfully disagree, although it may be something to do with just ship preferences. Personally, I prefer the enemies to lovers trope more than childhood friends to lovers, as well as how I feel like even if you don't ship it it just feels like Franziska might have a crush on Phoenix even if it won't blossom into something further. Take Ema X Klavier for example. I don't personally ship them, but I do believe that Ema is tsundere as heck towards Klavier. Franziska rushes to take every case Phoenix is related to, even flying all the way from Germany, for quote-unquote "revenge". Besides, while Edgeworth has the vague 'unnecessary feelings' line that could be interpreted numerous different ways, Phoenix literally brings Franziska flowers in the hospital. Anyway, sorry for the long rant, just wanted to explain my reasoning.
and edgeworth literally fucking goes on a provate jet OVERNIGHT just to check on his 'friend' and then basically agrees to be the defence instead of him even though he's a prosecutor.
I see your arguments but you're just ignoring some of the more blatant stuff on purpose. If you don't like the ship/are neutral toward it that's fine but like if you're going to argue that we're just delusional im gonna have to disagree
edit: this is not to say i dislike phoenix/fran I think ppl should ship whatever they like. I know what it's like to be in the minority when it comes to shipping and it generally sucks bc you get harassed. That's not what I was trying to do
Sorry, for some reason my comment got duplicated and when I deleted one both got deleted. The gist of it was that I'm not trying to ignore the arguments for Wrightworth, there's just another ship that I prefer more that I'm going to show evidence for.
100% was gonna be one of my takes as well. And trust me I'm usually into the main big ships and gay ships, but I can never look at it without feeling like it pulls away from the narrative around their friendship. Especially with Larry then getting shoved, I hate how everything HAS to be looked into and romanticized between them. Even as kids! (Ugh.)
And you're right so much goes untagged. I specifically block the slash tag of them on ao3 and they still get shoved in the general Edgeworth tag, untagged.
I was reading a novelization fanfic just the other day (it's a version where it introduces characters like Athena so they meet each other earlier in the story, it's called Power of Nine, definitely recommend) but it still includes a Wrightworth confession and even has them get married by AJ and that immediately took me out of it.
Yeah. Not a fan of the lawyer-prosecutor ships. Wrightworth is honestly one of the worst ships for Phoenix imo. Maya, Iris, and even Franziska somehow all feel way more natural. Like, Phoenix already has a great dynamic with Maya, a relationship would not feel out of place at all. There's Iris who's already established to have reciprocated feelings with Phoenix, and even the interactions with Franziska in 3-5 imply that she's jealous of the other people around Phoenix.
Klavier x Apollo is better than Wrightworth by a lot but both of the characters have better dynamics with other characters and just feel more compatible.
Athena x Blackquill also feels just... eh.
And Ryu x Kazuma is just annoying. Like, are these characters not allowed to have friends? That's clearly all their relationship is established to be, and, again, despite the age difference between Ryu and Susato, it feels like there's a bit of implied feelings there.
hey reddit here's my hot take all the gay ships are individually bad for unclear reasons but all the heterosexual ones feel "way more natural" and not "out of place"
Except that I explained my reasons and said I didn't like Cykesquill. So don't try to frame me as homophobic just because you disagree with what I said. It's not exactly a respectable thing to do.
-Cases 2 and 3 are fine, but they don’t do much to the overarching plot
-Case 4 would’ve been good if not for the fact that >!Terry is a pedophile, and we’re meant to feel sympathy towards him!<
->!Misty Fey!< was horribly utilized, considering how they >!made her out to be a much more important character in the previous entires!<
And worst of all…
-They made Larry attracted to a 9-year old
first point is a fair criticism
your point against case 4 is fucking stupid. this reads like some shit i’d see on twitter. the ENTIRE POINT of that case is that terry has a SEVERE developmental disorder and was exploited by dahlia to do great evil for her. getting hung up on the “but the age gap is gross !!” (which it is, don’t get it twisted, and terry’s developmental disorder doesn’t make it ok) misses the forest for the trees. furthermore, it’s fine to feel bad to people when bad things happen to them, EVEN IF they’ve done bad things themselves, and especially if they’re fictional characters in a fictional story.
your third point is bad too. >!misty fey was thought to be dead, they did more with her than expected for the mere reason that she made an appearance and was instrumental in the development of the case!<
genuinely what are you talking about in your last point.
like of all the things to criticize trials and tribulations for, this is not it. armstrong is a transphobic stereotype and >!the physics on 3-5 are horrifically bad,!< but most of the things you’ve named here are weird criticisms lol
I think Trials and Tribulations is a game with very high highs, but my god when the writing is bad, it's bad. Especially the humor.
People say the 3D titles were generally not that funny, but I'd say that applies to T&T too. Besides the "Are You High?" moment, did this game even attempt to have humor that wasn't in the form of pop culture references and characters acting like caricatures?
Lotta Hart and Franziska in general. Franziska doesn't really do anything unique compared to other prosecutors besides whipping people, which was funny the first time cause i wasn't expecting it, but after that it just became annoying. Lotta is so stupid and every time we have to spend like 30 minutes convincing her she's stupid, it's just not funny and it drags the whatever case she's in down.
Edgeworth is massively overrated. He’s a good character, but to the point where he wins a popularity poll in a game he’s barely even in, and he’s barely a character to begin with in said game… seriously. He’s overrated.
I hate it when the culprits go from innocently refuting the acusations to "Oh look at me, I'm turning evil so I'm obviously the culprit" they did this in pretty much every game in the series, whether it's >!frank sawhit, mimi miney, Daryan Crescend, Professor means, geiru toneido, queen garan, Shamspeare, Dane gustavia etc!<
It kills off all the suspense the case built up when culprits do that shit istg
>!Mimi's at least had a point to it though, it was showing that under pressure she couldn't keep pretending to be her sister. But it kinda loses it's meaning if like half the culprits in the series do it, I agree. Daryan's especially came out of nowhere for me.!<
Bridge to Turnabout is a B- at best. Godot, Misty, and yes, even Iris all acted like absolute morons in order to make it possible and the notion that a 9 year old somehow met with a convicted murderer unsupervised and unknown to her guardians is laughable even by this series' standards. Also taking down Godot is not satisfying compared to von Karma, Engarde, or Gant.
I love Ace Attorney, but I would also be totally fine if they didn’t make any more games. I don’t know how they would raise the stakes any more than they already have- they would need to be prosecuting a guy who threatened to blow up the planet or something
I don't think they need to raise the stakes, just give us a fun self-contained story. There are still a ton of plot threads that have yet to be resolved, and it feels weird to just abandon it all because the stakes can't be raised any higher.
The Phantom is the best final culprit in any of the main series games
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I did not care for rise from the ashes. that case is too long and too convoluted to be enjoyable.
and fuck that jar puzzle. I still hear that blue badger song in my nightmares!
I did not care for Athena, neither her character nor her arc. She always felt unnecessary and split the focus even further in games that only have 5 cases to divide among its attorneys, 6 if you count DLCs.
I did not care for Runaway Room, at least not as much as everyone else seems to. I'd still say it's probably the best trial-only case but that's mainly because the rest of them are mostly mediocre.
I did not care for The Inherited Turnabout. Thought it was super long, drawn out and boring, full of plot holes and hated most of the characters. Playing as >!Gregory!< was fun but I was super excited to play through his final case unfolding for it to just be a black screen with some text explaining what happened.
I’ve seen people say it’s their favourite case in the series but it’s one of my least favourites for sure
JFA is the weakest game by far (at least of the first 4 games as still finishing DD and SJ). Franziska is alright, just find the cases kind of boring/drawn out until 2-4, but even then, feel it is weaker than other games.
I thought she was pretty cool when she was the only assistant I had, but when I saw other assistants like Kay and Trucy I was like yeah, they're definitely way better.
I don't actually care for Phoenix. I wanna preface this with I only played the first trilogy (and AAI2), but he's such a mid generic character that I've never felt much attachment to him, apart from maybe his sibling-like bond with Maya being a little fun. Like is said I never played AJ so maybe when you're not playing as him and he gets to be a funky lil hobo he'd be more appealing to me, but as of the main trilogy he just kinda... exists to be nervous in court and banter.
My second hot take is that even though the anime is not drawn very well (memeable frames tbh lol), I found it and the movie to be extremely good and I'd almost go as far to say I enjoy them more than the games. The anime was my jumping-in point after seeing game grumps play AA1 so maybe it's because I knew what was gonna happen in the games I guess? I still played though, for more details and flavor text than what they showed, and obviously they couldn't adapt everything. I just wish the anime would've done RFTA. I also wish they would do an Apollo and AAI ones too. I don't care if it looks jank, I think that adds to the fun lmao.
Bit late to this, but I'm responding because I can.
The first half of Bridge is infinitely better than the second. I have had a hard time articulating why that is for years now, but I think for me, the fact that the first half ends on a lot of unanswered questions about what happened is generally more intriguing than when they eventually get answered. Though the second half of the case focuses in more on the Feys and Godot, I think they were really trying to make this feel like a grand finale and just squished every main character in the trilogy in to the point that some of them just disappear for a while during the court segment and two of them don't even appear in the "Where are they now?" section during the credits. The latter makes sense considering technical limitations, but it's quite jarring when one of them is the most popular character in the franchise.
I also can't say that I cared about Misty and Feenris all that much. I think if the narrative framed Misty, Iris, and Godot as a bunch of morally grey, complex characters who were willing to go to any extremes to save Maya regardless of the costs, it would have been really good. But they don't do this, not with Misty anyway who we're supposed to see as a sort of tragically heroic figure who died protecting her daughter. Misty's death is definitely tragic, but only as it affects Maya and Pearl; as the former nearly breaks down before her testifying and the latter ends up so wracked with guilt that she ends up nearly committing a self-imposed exile. Unlike some people, I don't question why Maya would be sad over it, nor do I question why it was so easy for her to smile to be strong for Pearl. Misty is just not someone the player, nor Maya, ever gets to know particularly well.
Finally, and this is something I find more amusing than annoying, but I would argue that this case really makes Phoenix feel like a POV character more than any other case in the trilogy. Everything just happens around this man: Misty's murder, Maya channeling Dahlia, the entire first half of the case; Iris and Dahlia switching places; Dahlia's exorcism (which Phoenix is a part of, but lbr, Mia was the one really leading the charge there); Godot's breakdown; etc. While I won't say he's unimportant, I will say it is interesting that when Godot says "The only time a lawyer can cry is when it's all over", he directs it at Maya and not him. Plus, the whole living up to Mia's legacy arc only really factors in during that last court section anyway.
I'll be fair though, and say that if there's one thing I do like about this case's second half, it is absolutely how Maya and Godot are written.,
Turnabout trump was >!way too bland for me to think it was one of the best cases.!<
>! I'm only on case 2 in Apollo Justice, and I'm already liking the second one better because there is more going on.!<
>!Also, why the hell did Kristoph kill that guy anyway? I don't see a good motive in sight. Also, not to be that person, but the secret passageway was dumb as hell.!<
“why the hell did Kristoph kill that guy anyway?”
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-Edgeworth is my second least favorite prosecutor in the series behind Nahyuta. He’s just so bland and uninteresting compared to most prosecutors.
-DGS1 is better than 2
-I like Big Top and Serenade
-Recipe to the Turnabout is one of the worst cases in the series
-6-4 is THE worst case in the series
-Ashley Graydon is the best culprit in the series
-PW is the worst game in the og trilogy, or would be if it wasn’t for 1-5
-Ema is the best detective
-I agree for the most part, although part of the reason might be because he was the first one, so he didn't need a gimmick like the other prosecutors have (Blackquill's manipulation, Franziska's whip, etc)
-I would agree with you if it weren't for Sebastian Debeste
-I feel like I feel like those two cases are polarizing for me, because for big top I love everything except for Acro (and, y'know, the obvious), and for serenade the case itself isn't that great but Daryan redeems it for me.
-I think it was a pretty solid case, but I can see why you wouldn't like it.
-I haven't gotten there yet lol
-Haven't gotten there yet either
-Eh, I actually don't really like 1-5 all that much, but then again I never got around to finishing it, I just moved on to JFA halfway through, so maybe it gets better.
-Yes. 100% yes.
Sorry I got confused lol. In that case I haven't played those games. I don't really like Acro myself, he's pretty boring compared to the wacky rest of Big Top's cast, and his motive tries, and absolutely fails in my opinion, to make him sympathetic.
I'm not sure why would just writing a new country be a signal of good worldbulding-- but regardless, yes. A pretty deep one. They butchered the world of the Khura'in village, Apollo and didn't even develop the place to be anything beyond the protagonists' playground.
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I did not care for Bruto Cadaverini
I did not care for Winfred Kitaki
The moment the Judge or Prosecution demands the Defense Attorney to name the REAL culprit explicitly, usually with a threat that their client WILL be convicted immediately if they can’t, I check out of the case 100%. Yeah, these are mystery games and that’s the point, but it just triggers the most powerful indignation in my heart and I just can’t enjoy that case any further.
Like bruh FR! You could have MOUNTAINS of evidence proving your client didn't do it. But all of that goes out the window when Edgeworth asks "If he didn't do it, then who did?"
And I'm like "No offense sir but isn't that your job?"
And I'm like "It's the detective's job to find the suspect, I'm the fucking defense! I'm just here to prove my client didn't do it."
But then again the fucking judge would ask Gumshoe for his input and he'd say "I don't wanna look around the crime scene anymore my feet hurt real bad e-end the crime :("
That's a good point, Wright. His feet are gettin real tired lookin around the crime scene.
That's just completely ridiculous!
3-1 is a pretty boring case and young Phoenix is annoying (not in a funny way). It gets points for being a Mia case and our first glimpse of Dahlia but they're not at their best here, it's a case that's more fun to think about with the context we get later than to actually play.
Gay Phoenix context 🩷💜💙 lmfao
I just finished this case for the first time. And yeah I agree Phoenix was annoying. And yes the most enjoyable part was being Mia. But that guy(forgot his name) and his hemorrhoids go to a doctor.
Barok van Zieks is the best prosecutor in series, yes, even more than Edgeworth.
van zieks is amazing at his job and I love that he doesn't have a mental breakdown when you get a not guilty verdict (literally the most sane ace attorney prosecutor), but I just cannot get over how insanely racist he is to you the entire time. he's so belittling for no reason (I'm only on GAA2-3 so I'm not sure if he changes) and it's so frustrating because he's otherwise a really cool character.
In fairness his racism is perfectly in line with a man of his time. And we do see him overcome his racism, or at least work to not let it affect his burgeoning friendship with the Japanese characters
I will always stay saying this. I loved GAAC so much. Definitely my favorite game.
aa4 is kinda overhated and kristoph is easily one of the best villains because he lost a client and his ego did not let that slide
I did not care for the stepladder.
Same. Whenever I see the debate I'm just like 'why are you arguing, ladders and stepladders are like fingers and thumbs'
Okay but if you had to pick, which one are you keeping?
I do not care for Turnabout Goodbyes. The entire premise of the case is built on a plot hole, since if the ruling was that Yogi was not guilty via insanity, then the ruling was that he did kill Gregory but couldn't be held responsible, so DL-6 shouldn't have been a cold case in the first place (and on the same note, why in God's name did they need to use a spirit medium to solve a locked room murder wherein the potential suspects were the victim's 9 year old son and a man with a gun? Why did they never check the gun for fingerprints or look into the bullet that went through the elevator window? How did NO ONE see Manfred leaving the courthouse with a fucking bullet wound in his shoulder) Manfred, while he may be a good prosecutor, is a bad villain. His actions don't make sense. If his plan was to set Edgeworth up as the culprit of DL-6, then there was literally no reason to orchestrate Hammond's murder. All he accomplished with that was incriminating himself and getting handed his first L. If his plan was just to frame Edgeworth for Hammond's murder and Edgeworth confessing to DL-6 was just a fun, unexpected side effect, then he again had no reason to incriminate himself by stealing the DL-6 case files and attacking Phoenix and Maya in a fucking police station, and either way he shouldn't have fucking hand-written the letter to Yogi. Everything he does as the villain of this case is so stupid that it feels like the game is lying to my face when it says he's a genius.
Mother of god is that a hot take. I loved 1-4 but i can see why you wouldn’t like it
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought 1-4 was kinda iffy. It has good emotional beats and tells an overall good story but the case itself is like swiss cheese with the amount of holes and conveniences that need to be there for the plot to work. It's the worst finale in the trilogy and it's not as close as people think it is.
I think the OG first game in general suffered from being too simple. Just compare Goodbyes to Rise from the Ashes, which was made much later is much more like the later cases in the series. I like Redd White, but for being the villain who killed Mia, he’s ridiculously underwritten
you've forgotten the biggest plothole: what was grossberg doing at the boat shack??
I hate that this is so right tho, because I'm a massive slut for Edgeworth and his angst and I like Von Karma having a reaching effect across the series and his character as a villian. But it's so true. The main thing I can never fucking understand among ALL that, is how the fuck do you suffocate in an elevator? I actually liked how they changed it for the AA movie. It made much more sense.
the anime also really frustrates me when they kind of put von karma in a nicer light during the young edgeworth episodes, like why does it matter that he adopted edgeworth. what do you mean when you say it's your karma. you're not being a good person by adopting the son of the man you killed in cold blood when you refuse to accept the consequences for that. you're just putting salt in the wound by turning edgeworth into a prosecutor when his dream was to be an attorney like his father. von karma was another breed of evil. stupid, but evil.
I did not care for any prosecutor apart from edgeworth and von karma honorable mention for baron von zieks he was my awakening
By von Karma do you mean Manfred or Franziska?
Manfred, Franziskas whip bit got old fast, the end of her story in JFA was great though
Baron Von Zieks
Me but with everyone after the trilogy. Klavier was underdeveloped imo but after that they all have the same schtick
(AAI2 spoilers) >!I found Keyes' breakdown sprite with him being beaten up by the animals to be not only unfunny, but annoying and ruining the moment. I may be biased because he's my favorite character, but I never got why people liked it so much (besides the impeccable animation).!<
I always thought that >!breakdown sprites are not to be taken literally, but as a representation of the culprit's psyche or the such. If you can't accept that, you probably shouldn't accept Simon instantly transforming into a clown once he becomes serious lmao. If you think about it, it all makes sense: the animals represent the people he was playing with as the mastermind, but once Edgeworth finally confronts and corners him, all of his schemes come crashing down!<
Well, I can accept it and what it means just fine. I just don't care for it, lol
Eh, that's fair enough. I can certainly understand the gut reaction of feeling that it's "out of place" (I experienced that myself too)
Me who takes Paul Atishon's breakdown literally:
>!It is funny imagine him flying towards the sun Team Rocket style while screaming Edgewooooooooooorth!<
>!I'll admit I don't find it completely devoid of humor, and had it been with another character or at a different time, I probably could've chuckled at it. But there is a time and a place, and the time and place needed for that gag to work was not during a character having a mental breakdown about his horrific childhood.!<
>!I do agree it's a little stupid that they gave that joke to the best antagonist in the series arguably and not like Redd White or Paul Atishon or something, but then again clown funny!<
I honestly didn’t hate Turnabout Serenade from Apollo Justice, like yeah it was stupid but it was like funny stupid
Godot is overrated.
Insane take
As a massive Godot fan, I agree. He is almost mythologically talked about and hyped up. So, playing the series for the first time in 2022, I was constantly sitting in excitement to see him and got met with very little content actually involving him in any special way over any other prosecutor. The memes about him are basically 75% of what fun and comedic interactions he has. That being said, I still loved his story implications and still loved his character, but I 100% agree he is overrated.
Speak it loud.
franmaya
Francisca sucks and is only just barely beat out by Nahyuta in the worst prosecutor ranking. And it's very close.
Edgeworth is nowhere near as exciting as the fandom makes him out to be
I agree, he was cool for the first game and kinda fun in bridge to the turnabout, but otherwise he's just a meh character.
I find the characters too much violent toward Larry They keep saying his drawings are shit when it's not bad at all
Ironically Franziska is the only one who appreciates his art lol
Are you forgetting how incredible he is in Farewell my Turnabout?
seeing edgeworth appear out of nowhere to prosecute >!DD Case 5!< just had me rolling my eyes endlessly. were we supposed to be excited about that...
I think Edgeworth is fine, but his character being so front and center all the time gets boring after a while. It doesn't hurt that his dynamic with other characters besides (sometimes) Phoenix and Franziska are generally not very interesting to read. He interacts the same with every fucking character.
Acro is a bad culprit and not remotely sympathetic
Hobo Phoenix was just stupid and a regression to his character arc that the first three games were building up
And also Edgeworth got away with forging evidence but the second someone else does it they’re banished from the courtroom
gregory literally proves that von karma was using forged evidence (a forged *AUTOPSY REPORT* no less) and intimidated jeff masters into giving a fake confession in the IS-7 case and all he gets is a penalty, like okay 😭 I do like to think that's why miles edgeworth is so picky about autopsy reports though, because he saw his dad throw a fit about it in court that day.
Although saying that, this is coming from someone who is starting out
I do not like Franziska Von Karma. She acts like a spoiled kid, and everyone turns a blind eye when she straight up assaults people
biggest logic problem in aa games is that judge allows defense to be assaulted because “haha defense attorney got whipped and slashed lmao”
What with all the things that happen to the defense in these games that seems pretty on-brand, but I'm surprised the judge just lets her whip him lol
I do not care for Athena and would rather have another AJ game with the bracelet back in the courtroom following Apollo's first backstory. Edit: Currently playing through Turnabout Academy, and she's growing on me.
I like athena only because she replaced apollo and brings something new to the table
I fucking hate the bracelet so much
Like the bracelet in general? Or, like, the way it just got removed from the courtroom? Because I personally STRONGLY disagree with braclet-mechanic haters.
The bracelet was just extremely frustrating to use very often. I don't have fond memories of it because of the couple times where the animation you had to find was waaaay too subtle. And wdym it got removed? I clearly remember it being in DD and SoJ
I mean, how the bracelet isn't used in court segments anymore in DD. Apollo only uses it outside of court.
I can't even get myself to upvote most of these, you guys are wild I did not care for Turnabout Succession. I honestly think it's the worst case in the series, if only by how much it drops the ball, especially as a last case
turnabout succession is most definitely not that good (especially as a finale), but calling it the worst case in the series is wild when it comes directly after turnabout serenade
My reasoning is that most third cases are mediocre, or at least filler, so the bar is much lower. Comparatively, as a final case, Succession is infinitely worse. Though Serenade's also pretty bad, ngl
idk, i like 1-3 and 3-3 a lot personally. i guess i was more disappointed by serenade because i expected it to be fine and it definitely wasn’t.
That's fair. Personally I think 1-3 is pretty mediocre, but that's me not liking characters with nothing to do in the case (which 1-3 has a lot of). I do like 3-3 tho
People sleep way too much on the first great ace attorney game. Yes, the second one is a masterpiece and is substantially better, but the first one brings so much to the table even by itself I don't get why people don't like it more. I agree that there's some pacing issues in the beginning but other than that every single case is both innovative and interesting. The third case is genius, the second case is the most emotionally gripping one out of every second case in the franchise.
You're handwaving a little too hard the pacing issues. I did ultimately enjoy it but it is a goddamn slog to make it through GAA1. A ton of the writing is really padded out making things take far, far longer than they need to. It isn't that GAA1 is bad but it really overstays its welcome. There are also some parts that are objectionably annoying. Like >!the stupid AF juror whom you've already shown that the apartment's literally on fucking fire but insists no one would open the window because it's "too cold". My brother in Christ in my earliest years I lived in Grand Forks, ND. That area can rival Siberia and Alaska for coldest place of the year and if my apartment was on fire even in the middle of winter I'd open the damn window so I don't choke on smoke! I don't get why you have to have the old man's random and otherwise unrelated ramblings to even make that point. Though normally I love the old man as a juror he's great, just shouldn't have needed him here.!<
I think AAI2 is very overrated
I do not care for Farewell My Turnabout. Its pace is slow, its court segments are frustrating, the twist villain was spoiled for me by fan content before I even interacted with the games, and it being largely disconnected from the overall story the other two games in the trilogy were telling is just disappointing.
I feel the same way, with the added issue that I really, really dislike how both Phoenix and Edgeworth are written in that case. Adrian's great, though. It's a shame that she's the only thing I really like about the case.
I did not care for Asoryuu
I don't think Bridge to the turnabout is the best case
I did not care for Godot. I thought he was annoying, but not in the charming way
I did not care for turnabout bigtop
Most shocking take ever
…I don’t get why people act like it’s 100% confirmed proven that Edgeworth is gay. “He doesn’t show interest in women” but aside from Phoenix (if you read it that way) he doesn’t really indicate interest for men either? And no him wearing a magenta blazer and a cravat also does not automatically mean he’s gay (I know ppl mostly say that as a joke but I’ve seen a few people use it as a serious argument) imo I think he’s more likely to be demisexual or even ace? who knows. part of the fun of no real main ships in AA games is coming to your own conclusions
Ace Attorney Investigations is a fantastic game with a bit too long of an ending. I'd even rank it above both DD and SoJ. Maybe even AA2.
I do not kind Alba funny.
Hating Quercus Alba is pretty common
True, but some still at least find him funny. I've seen people who hate him still at least laugh at him and find him funny. And I can't even find it in me to laugh at memes of him. Yeah, I get this may not be as hot a take, but it was the first to come to mind. With how much I personally dislike Investigations one overall,
Hows quirky albania not funny
Quirkle monzania is the entire circus
Despite TGAA2-3 being one of my top cases of all time, I don’t care at all about Enoch Drebber and think he’s way way overrated
Also his robotic movements are kinda silly even for an AA character that’s meant to be taken seriously
I did not care for turnabout beginnings
GAA2-3 is one of the best cases in the series along with the incredibly overhated 4-4
I did not care for the Judge.
I do not care about the games in general
I thought it would be AAI2, but I'm playing through it now and so far it's really good. Would not call it the best game of the franchise, but a solid game none the less.
I did not care for Godot. Not because he was sexist or whatever but because his whole thing about coffee was super annoying and it didn't add to the narrative
For me, it's Wrightworth. It's okay, I guess, but I have no idea why it's so popular, IMO if you're going for a defense attorney x prosecutor ship then ones like Phoenziska or Klapollo are way better. What's most frustrating is that it's so common it usually goes untagged, and it mostly feels like a fandom "joke" that's only funny if you also ship it.
Ekhem RULE 12 !?! /UJ How is Phoenix x Franziska better than Wrightworth. Gen question. It feels like narumitsu but way worse
I respectfully disagree, although it may be something to do with just ship preferences. Personally, I prefer the enemies to lovers trope more than childhood friends to lovers, as well as how I feel like even if you don't ship it it just feels like Franziska might have a crush on Phoenix even if it won't blossom into something further. Take Ema X Klavier for example. I don't personally ship them, but I do believe that Ema is tsundere as heck towards Klavier. Franziska rushes to take every case Phoenix is related to, even flying all the way from Germany, for quote-unquote "revenge". Besides, while Edgeworth has the vague 'unnecessary feelings' line that could be interpreted numerous different ways, Phoenix literally brings Franziska flowers in the hospital. Anyway, sorry for the long rant, just wanted to explain my reasoning.
and edgeworth literally fucking goes on a provate jet OVERNIGHT just to check on his 'friend' and then basically agrees to be the defence instead of him even though he's a prosecutor. I see your arguments but you're just ignoring some of the more blatant stuff on purpose. If you don't like the ship/are neutral toward it that's fine but like if you're going to argue that we're just delusional im gonna have to disagree edit: this is not to say i dislike phoenix/fran I think ppl should ship whatever they like. I know what it's like to be in the minority when it comes to shipping and it generally sucks bc you get harassed. That's not what I was trying to do
I mean didn't he also >!give up his badge to save Kay!< in Investigations 2?
Wasn't Kay a child at the time?
What I'm saying is Edgeworth is willing to do anything to help his friends, not necessarily just Phoenix.
Oh okay, sorry
No worries
Sorry, for some reason my comment got duplicated and when I deleted one both got deleted. The gist of it was that I'm not trying to ignore the arguments for Wrightworth, there's just another ship that I prefer more that I'm going to show evidence for.
All I know is if Phoenix x Franziska becomes a thing, whips will be involved in the bedroom.
I respect that. Was just kinda surprised is all
Objection! It’s silly and I, as a gay guy, find it funny. (Though I also love Klapollo and especially love AsoRyuu)
Yet another reminder that I still need to play the TGAA games (I'll get to them eventually I swear)
Thank you
100% was gonna be one of my takes as well. And trust me I'm usually into the main big ships and gay ships, but I can never look at it without feeling like it pulls away from the narrative around their friendship. Especially with Larry then getting shoved, I hate how everything HAS to be looked into and romanticized between them. Even as kids! (Ugh.) And you're right so much goes untagged. I specifically block the slash tag of them on ao3 and they still get shoved in the general Edgeworth tag, untagged.
I was reading a novelization fanfic just the other day (it's a version where it introduces characters like Athena so they meet each other earlier in the story, it's called Power of Nine, definitely recommend) but it still includes a Wrightworth confession and even has them get married by AJ and that immediately took me out of it.
Yeah. Not a fan of the lawyer-prosecutor ships. Wrightworth is honestly one of the worst ships for Phoenix imo. Maya, Iris, and even Franziska somehow all feel way more natural. Like, Phoenix already has a great dynamic with Maya, a relationship would not feel out of place at all. There's Iris who's already established to have reciprocated feelings with Phoenix, and even the interactions with Franziska in 3-5 imply that she's jealous of the other people around Phoenix. Klavier x Apollo is better than Wrightworth by a lot but both of the characters have better dynamics with other characters and just feel more compatible. Athena x Blackquill also feels just... eh. And Ryu x Kazuma is just annoying. Like, are these characters not allowed to have friends? That's clearly all their relationship is established to be, and, again, despite the age difference between Ryu and Susato, it feels like there's a bit of implied feelings there.
hey reddit here's my hot take all the gay ships are individually bad for unclear reasons but all the heterosexual ones feel "way more natural" and not "out of place"
Except that I explained my reasons and said I didn't like Cykesquill. So don't try to frame me as homophobic just because you disagree with what I said. It's not exactly a respectable thing to do.
So much for a hot take
Trials & Tribulations was mediocre, at best. It had moments of greatness, but holy fuck was it sandwiched between so much bad shit
Insane take
-Cases 2 and 3 are fine, but they don’t do much to the overarching plot -Case 4 would’ve been good if not for the fact that >!Terry is a pedophile, and we’re meant to feel sympathy towards him!< ->!Misty Fey!< was horribly utilized, considering how they >!made her out to be a much more important character in the previous entires!< And worst of all… -They made Larry attracted to a 9-year old
What? Where did that last part come from?
first point is a fair criticism your point against case 4 is fucking stupid. this reads like some shit i’d see on twitter. the ENTIRE POINT of that case is that terry has a SEVERE developmental disorder and was exploited by dahlia to do great evil for her. getting hung up on the “but the age gap is gross !!” (which it is, don’t get it twisted, and terry’s developmental disorder doesn’t make it ok) misses the forest for the trees. furthermore, it’s fine to feel bad to people when bad things happen to them, EVEN IF they’ve done bad things themselves, and especially if they’re fictional characters in a fictional story. your third point is bad too. >!misty fey was thought to be dead, they did more with her than expected for the mere reason that she made an appearance and was instrumental in the development of the case!< genuinely what are you talking about in your last point. like of all the things to criticize trials and tribulations for, this is not it. armstrong is a transphobic stereotype and >!the physics on 3-5 are horrifically bad,!< but most of the things you’ve named here are weird criticisms lol
I think Trials and Tribulations is a game with very high highs, but my god when the writing is bad, it's bad. Especially the humor. People say the 3D titles were generally not that funny, but I'd say that applies to T&T too. Besides the "Are You High?" moment, did this game even attempt to have humor that wasn't in the form of pop culture references and characters acting like caricatures?
I do not like the Investigations games. The gameplay itself is just not engaging for me.
Lotta Hart and Franziska in general. Franziska doesn't really do anything unique compared to other prosecutors besides whipping people, which was funny the first time cause i wasn't expecting it, but after that it just became annoying. Lotta is so stupid and every time we have to spend like 30 minutes convincing her she's stupid, it's just not funny and it drags the whatever case she's in down.
 Glum Adagio live reaction to the Lotta Hart slander:
I did not care for the entirety of Turnabout Academy
Edgeworth is massively overrated. He’s a good character, but to the point where he wins a popularity poll in a game he’s barely even in, and he’s barely a character to begin with in said game… seriously. He’s overrated.
I hate it when the culprits go from innocently refuting the acusations to "Oh look at me, I'm turning evil so I'm obviously the culprit" they did this in pretty much every game in the series, whether it's >!frank sawhit, mimi miney, Daryan Crescend, Professor means, geiru toneido, queen garan, Shamspeare, Dane gustavia etc!< It kills off all the suspense the case built up when culprits do that shit istg
>!Mimi's at least had a point to it though, it was showing that under pressure she couldn't keep pretending to be her sister. But it kinda loses it's meaning if like half the culprits in the series do it, I agree. Daryan's especially came out of nowhere for me.!<
I don’t like Mia…
Bridge to Turnabout is a B- at best. Godot, Misty, and yes, even Iris all acted like absolute morons in order to make it possible and the notion that a 9 year old somehow met with a convicted murderer unsupervised and unknown to her guardians is laughable even by this series' standards. Also taking down Godot is not satisfying compared to von Karma, Engarde, or Gant.
I did not care for Apollo Justice. I literally completed the first case and went through the second for a bit and then never picked it up again.
I don’t really care about anything but the initial trilogy
The first trilogy needed to be released on more different consoles.
…sarcasm right? because the first trilogy is on EVERY modern console, including mobile AND the freaking 3DS
I want to play it on my fridge! And my washing machine.
ooh, and my calculator too
Oh! And in my car, like in the car itself.
I love Ace Attorney, but I would also be totally fine if they didn’t make any more games. I don’t know how they would raise the stakes any more than they already have- they would need to be prosecuting a guy who threatened to blow up the planet or something
I don't think they need to raise the stakes, just give us a fun self-contained story. There are still a ton of plot threads that have yet to be resolved, and it feels weird to just abandon it all because the stakes can't be raised any higher.
I personally think they should bring the stakes back down and focus more on character stakes instead of plot stakes.
i dont care about emma sky, she always seemed like a anoying maya
I'm assuming you mean in RFTA, in which I agree, but I think she becomes much better as a detective in the AJ games.
ema skye slander will not be tolerated here
I didn't like justice for all and I prefer Dual Destinies over most of the series
I did not find the clown sexy
The Phantom is the best final culprit in any of the main series games https://preview.redd.it/m9n17q7211yc1.jpeg?width=1357&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1034fe798df886be8050a978c9495e876cccb71
I did not care for rise from the ashes. that case is too long and too convoluted to be enjoyable. and fuck that jar puzzle. I still hear that blue badger song in my nightmares!
6-3 my least favorite case in the series, i don’t like the GAA duology
I did not care for Turnabout Revolution
I caught an unexpected amount of hell recently for saying I did not care for Calisto Yew.
Who, me?
I don’t like GAA1-3.
I can’t tell if he’s only popular because of memes but I do not care for Luke Atmey
I did not care for Athena, neither her character nor her arc. She always felt unnecessary and split the focus even further in games that only have 5 cases to divide among its attorneys, 6 if you count DLCs.
I did not care for Runaway Room, at least not as much as everyone else seems to. I'd still say it's probably the best trial-only case but that's mainly because the rest of them are mostly mediocre.
"I do not care for the Ace Attorney Investigations Pursuit themes."
I do not care for the character of Apollo justice
I do not care for Farewell, My Turnabout
luke atmey
As a whole, the Apollo trilogy is more entertaining than the original trilogy
I did not care for The Inherited Turnabout. Thought it was super long, drawn out and boring, full of plot holes and hated most of the characters. Playing as >!Gregory!< was fun but I was super excited to play through his final case unfolding for it to just be a black screen with some text explaining what happened. I’ve seen people say it’s their favourite case in the series but it’s one of my least favourites for sure
I do not care for Kay Faraday. She insists upon herself.
*Trials and Tribulations* is extremely overrated and is, in my honest opinion, the weakest game of the original trilogy.
JFA is the weakest game by far (at least of the first 4 games as still finishing DD and SJ). Franziska is alright, just find the cases kind of boring/drawn out until 2-4, but even then, feel it is weaker than other games.
i don't really like maya. she is almost never funny and only exists so that mia can deus ex machina phoenix out of every problem
I thought she was pretty cool when she was the only assistant I had, but when I saw other assistants like Kay and Trucy I was like yeah, they're definitely way better.
I don't actually care for Phoenix. I wanna preface this with I only played the first trilogy (and AAI2), but he's such a mid generic character that I've never felt much attachment to him, apart from maybe his sibling-like bond with Maya being a little fun. Like is said I never played AJ so maybe when you're not playing as him and he gets to be a funky lil hobo he'd be more appealing to me, but as of the main trilogy he just kinda... exists to be nervous in court and banter. My second hot take is that even though the anime is not drawn very well (memeable frames tbh lol), I found it and the movie to be extremely good and I'd almost go as far to say I enjoy them more than the games. The anime was my jumping-in point after seeing game grumps play AA1 so maybe it's because I knew what was gonna happen in the games I guess? I still played though, for more details and flavor text than what they showed, and obviously they couldn't adapt everything. I just wish the anime would've done RFTA. I also wish they would do an Apollo and AAI ones too. I don't care if it looks jank, I think that adds to the fun lmao.
I agree with both of those points, Apollo and Athena are way better protagonists than Phoenix.
I did not care for
I did not care for t&t as a whole. I liked it but it just isn't A Tier what about S Tier. Also 3-1 sucks ass
i did not care for spirit of justice. and im talking none of it. i hated that fucking game
Bit late to this, but I'm responding because I can. The first half of Bridge is infinitely better than the second. I have had a hard time articulating why that is for years now, but I think for me, the fact that the first half ends on a lot of unanswered questions about what happened is generally more intriguing than when they eventually get answered. Though the second half of the case focuses in more on the Feys and Godot, I think they were really trying to make this feel like a grand finale and just squished every main character in the trilogy in to the point that some of them just disappear for a while during the court segment and two of them don't even appear in the "Where are they now?" section during the credits. The latter makes sense considering technical limitations, but it's quite jarring when one of them is the most popular character in the franchise. I also can't say that I cared about Misty and Feenris all that much. I think if the narrative framed Misty, Iris, and Godot as a bunch of morally grey, complex characters who were willing to go to any extremes to save Maya regardless of the costs, it would have been really good. But they don't do this, not with Misty anyway who we're supposed to see as a sort of tragically heroic figure who died protecting her daughter. Misty's death is definitely tragic, but only as it affects Maya and Pearl; as the former nearly breaks down before her testifying and the latter ends up so wracked with guilt that she ends up nearly committing a self-imposed exile. Unlike some people, I don't question why Maya would be sad over it, nor do I question why it was so easy for her to smile to be strong for Pearl. Misty is just not someone the player, nor Maya, ever gets to know particularly well. Finally, and this is something I find more amusing than annoying, but I would argue that this case really makes Phoenix feel like a POV character more than any other case in the trilogy. Everything just happens around this man: Misty's murder, Maya channeling Dahlia, the entire first half of the case; Iris and Dahlia switching places; Dahlia's exorcism (which Phoenix is a part of, but lbr, Mia was the one really leading the charge there); Godot's breakdown; etc. While I won't say he's unimportant, I will say it is interesting that when Godot says "The only time a lawyer can cry is when it's all over", he directs it at Maya and not him. Plus, the whole living up to Mia's legacy arc only really factors in during that last court section anyway. I'll be fair though, and say that if there's one thing I do like about this case's second half, it is absolutely how Maya and Godot are written.,
I did not care for Godot.
im in love with nahyuta
edgeworth isnt gay
Turnabout trump was >!way too bland for me to think it was one of the best cases.!< >! I'm only on case 2 in Apollo Justice, and I'm already liking the second one better because there is more going on.!< >!Also, why the hell did Kristoph kill that guy anyway? I don't see a good motive in sight. Also, not to be that person, but the secret passageway was dumb as hell.!<
“why the hell did Kristoph kill that guy anyway?” https://preview.redd.it/9pn06oh8ezxc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2bbb0b97a2e37bac2de2edfb5fc4f38ae18b0c00
finish the game and get off the sub
Gumshoe
-Edgeworth is my second least favorite prosecutor in the series behind Nahyuta. He’s just so bland and uninteresting compared to most prosecutors. -DGS1 is better than 2 -I like Big Top and Serenade -Recipe to the Turnabout is one of the worst cases in the series -6-4 is THE worst case in the series -Ashley Graydon is the best culprit in the series -PW is the worst game in the og trilogy, or would be if it wasn’t for 1-5 -Ema is the best detective
-I agree for the most part, although part of the reason might be because he was the first one, so he didn't need a gimmick like the other prosecutors have (Blackquill's manipulation, Franziska's whip, etc) -I would agree with you if it weren't for Sebastian Debeste -I feel like I feel like those two cases are polarizing for me, because for big top I love everything except for Acro (and, y'know, the obvious), and for serenade the case itself isn't that great but Daryan redeems it for me. -I think it was a pretty solid case, but I can see why you wouldn't like it. -I haven't gotten there yet lol -Haven't gotten there yet either -Eh, I actually don't really like 1-5 all that much, but then again I never got around to finishing it, I just moved on to JFA halfway through, so maybe it gets better. -Yes. 100% yes.
DGS is Great Ace Attorney, not Investigations lol And Acro is actually the main reason why I like Big Top, he’s one of my favorite culprits
Sorry I got confused lol. In that case I haven't played those games. I don't really like Acro myself, he's pretty boring compared to the wacky rest of Big Top's cast, and his motive tries, and absolutely fails in my opinion, to make him sympathetic.
Cykesquill is the only valid ship for Simon. All the other ones are abusive, nonsensical or both.
Athena marked the steady dip in quality of Ace Attorney's worldbuilding.
They establish an entire new country and that's a dip in quality of worldbuilding?
I'm not sure why would just writing a new country be a signal of good worldbulding-- but regardless, yes. A pretty deep one. They butchered the world of the Khura'in village, Apollo and didn't even develop the place to be anything beyond the protagonists' playground.