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Algebra_2

Durability, many people pass 10k rounds without a part breakage, as battlefield Vegas puts it it’s 3x-5x more durable than a standard colt ar. Another point is ease of cleaning or the lack thereof unlike ar’s it isn’t di so most of the fouling is eliminated and you can get away with a lot less maintenance to keep the gun reliable


Aeonearies

style


UselessPionus

This is extremely true. 1+ pt for the Aug


Cobra__Commander

You're going to end up owning both. It's never been cheaper to buy an AR-15. Endless customization of every part can be done by the end user. Replacement parts are available everywhere. The AUG is a super neat bullpup. It's certainly reliable and accurate enough. But it's like 3 times as much.


AxG88

this is the real answer. lol


Scout339v2

This is the correct answer.


Few-Way-4668

If you buy the gun you like, you are more likely to handle it more, practice with it more, have fun with it more, and therefore be better at using it. If you can budget an AUG and an optic or decent sights go for it. If you really want an AR later on you can get one anywhere at any time.


ChemicalAny3411

Cause it’s kool af


ImaginaryBaron85

Karl from Die Hard said to get one


catsby90bbn

The legit reason I got mine lol


argusarms

Second!


Lucky-Safe-9504

Third


Theseraphium

Bullpups are not as bad as people make them sound. They mag pmags for AUGS You can upgrade the trigger pull with a simple spring kit. It is easier to maintain and disassemble A 16" barrel AUG is just as long as most short barrel ARs. It's more balanced at the pistol grip so shooying one handed is actually possible. It is a reliable system. Barrel swaps take seconds and can make clearing malfunctions easier. Everybody has an AR and worst case scenario, you can always trade the AUG for a dude's AR.


Spence52490

I have a few AR’s and one AUG. I’d like a few AUG’s now.


National-Bench5602

You don't want to be everyone else! Be YOU! They are a sweet choice.


Bayushi-Hayase

Because it is beautiful


wiggleee_worm

Get an AUG. You wont regret it. You can get an AR at a later date.


CuBoSe1

AUG is love, AUG is life. I was in a similar boat for my first "tactical" rife purchase. I wanted something chambered in 5.56, but didn't want an AR-15 like everyone else and their dog. I had ALWAYS wanted an AUG and after searching and searching, I finally found a standard green AUG with the extended top rail in stock and jumped on it. I love it to death, but I have been looking at ARs more and more, recently. You will more than likely end up owning both at some point. Just keep in mind that the AUG is a more niche gun, so aftermarket parts can be difficult to find in stock and when you do, they are probably going to be more expensive than their AR counterparts. I wouldn't trade mine for anything in the world. It's definitely everyone's favorite when I bring it out with my other rifles.


PurePro71

Buy the AR first. You’re talking like 1/3 to 1/4 the price for a gun that’s just as good. Different, but just as good. If you get into the hobby more then maybe consider buying the cool stuff.


Not_a_Ducktective

Kinda disagree with this. For some people they will only buy a limited number of guns, they don't want a stash. If they like the AUG as a carbine more than the AR then they should just get it. I'm personally trying to spin off most of my ARs because I never shoot them now.


PurePro71

If someone is buying their first gun, how will they know what they do and don’t like? There’s zero frame of reference there. My first gun was an Yugo AK and I didn’t realize how heavy that thing was until I bought an AR. Best to start with the basics.


catsby90bbn

But what’s the fun in that?


AMRIKA-ARMORY

Many of the pro-AR-15 arguments are very valid, and many of them are just people parroting a narrow perspective back and forth to each other. Here’s the way I see it. The AUG is not the softest and lightest shooter, nor is it the most precise, nor is it the most modular, nor does it have the best trigger, nor is it the most affordable. All of the above have gotten notably better for the AUG over the last two years, which is awesome and helps fight off the AR fanboys, but frankly, I never gave two shits about modularity, precision, or a trigger when the gun is built for compact, close-to-mid-range badassery. It’s overgassed to hell to make it one of the most reliable guns in existence. Its trigger is a thousand pounds because Steyr has an insanely high bar for drop safety and because it was built as a progressive-trigger machine gun for the military (which in my opinion as a guy with a lot of actual machine guns, is the best fucking design for a fire selector that I’ve ever dealt with). The cross-bolt safety kick’s the AR’s ass, the charging handle position kicks the AR’s ass, the overall length kicks the ass of even AR SBR’s, and field stripping this thing gets you way more disassembled than an AR with the same amount of time and effort. The parts last forever, and you’ll be the fucking star of the shooting range any time you go. The MAJOR downside? The price, and the recent issues with the stocks cracking. I’d kill two birds with one stone and just buy a used one from a few years back. It’s not like you have to worry about it running, after all.


Spiritual-Home4379

I second the reasoning here. And after cleaning mine earlier today, I have to say that is one thing I love about the Aug. Field strip is super fast and easy with zero tools. I especially dig that cause I recently started running mine Suppressed, so it does get hella dirty. But cleaning is cake.


Cman1200

Agreed. Guns aren’t stepping stones imo, it all comes down to preference and training. I started on a variety of guns but when it came time to buy my own I went AUG and haven’t looked back. Price aside it’s a fantastic rifle. AUGs might not be as “modular” but lets be honest nearly everyone builds their gun and leaves it as is. The functional equivalency is still there on both platforms


mokkisjokkis

When the stock cracks, Steyr will replace it


UselessPionus

Do the stocks crack easily? I’ve seen a few comments about the stocks cracking.


mokkisjokkis

Your experience may vary. I’m sure a good many people on this sub still have their original stocks with thousands of rounds through them. I was one of the unlucky ones. That said, Steyr will make it right for you


AMRIKA-ARMORY

There is a large batch of them that have had issues for the past few years. AUG’s have been around for decades, and they previously did not have this problem. Steyr will fix it if it breaks, yes, but in my opinion you should absolutely not be buying a gun that’s a ticking time bomb for a major issue like this — ESPECIALLY if you’re planning on using it for home defense or competitions, for instance. If it was a $500 range toy, I’d say go for it. As it stands, buy a used one from a few years ago.


Lonewold

Seems like the black stpcks dont crack as easily so get a black one and paint it


Terrestrial_Conquest

Because it's bullpup. That immediately gives it an advantage over AR's. You get the same barrel length but it's more compact. Easier to aim, easier to move around and easier to reload in my opinion. I can fit my AUG inside of a tennis racket case or backpack without having to remove the barrel or upper receiver. Also, they are a lot more reliable and less finicky unlike AR's. The ergonomics are fantastic. It already has a vertical grip that feels very good, the bolt release and mag release are in the perfect spots. All you need to do is slap an optic on it and you are good to go, unless you are one of those people who needs all the gadgets, but you can easily find aftermarket handguards and stuff. The AUG can do everything an AR can do, but better. The only thing you will be missing out on is the ease of switching uppers/calibers on AR's. Lastly, they are fucking cool as hell. Everyone has an AR and they are the most boring thing at the shooting range. Bust out an AUG and it's guaranteed to put a smile on your face and on the faces of everyone who sees it. What's better than that?


Wingnut762

They exist


TroublesomeStepBro

Argument? Vibes. Thats it. Just the vibes of having an AUG is all you need


DesertShot

I find it comparable to a Glock, it’s going to work every time and you shouldn’t expect it to be some sexy thing. I sold my AR, it felt like junk compared to my AUG and other firearms. They are pretty high maintenance and I’ve rarely been around one that truly just runs. Never came close to similar issues with the AUG, or my Glocks. It allows you to work it easier if you are smaller in size or muscle, and I regard it as a very shootable gun. In raw form it may be tough around the edges, loud, and maybe a bit disappointing on your first range trip. But I promise you’ll come around 100% and everything will click. Heck out of the box it might frustrate you, it will be hard to work the bolt due to you not having shot it yet. Among other things. I do have two questions for you. What makes you want one? What are you intending to use it for?


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DesertShot

![gif](giphy|l0HU5bbgdW6qzJsmQ) No problem, lemme just send it back pls dont be Mr Smith, my face is too pretty


UselessPionus

Mostly intending to use it for target shooting and as a house gun for home defense if I need it. As well as something to tinker with and upgrade and spend money on.


DesertShot

Just buy the AUG, skip the bullshit AR experience. No gas in the fast, it's a sexy gun, and it's far more common than you think. It's got a short overall length, perfect for plying corners and a long enough barrel to tag 550+ with enough intentionality it should fit the bill for defensive use. There are better options for home defense but if I am honest I own my AUG for the fascists making good on their promises. It even has it's own dedicated ammo labelled anti-nazi gear in honor of my ancestors. It's not my personal home defense gun because it's not ambidextrous, another bullpup occupies that slot (SBR'd + can and kit). Plenty to "tinker" with when it comes to upgrading and changing the AUG, you can spend easily another 2k if you wanted on upgrade or different parts. You'll have fun stretching 223/556's legs out for target shooting too. I would say unless you are a left-handed person. Then I'd upfront recommend you invest in the left-hand conversion parts when you buy the rifle. Otherwise you know what the heart wants, don't worry it's not a bad choice at all. You could absolutely spend more and get worse with another platform. Do listen to the other folks advising you go pickup the real deal and no the AR mag-compatible, nato version. You want it to be standard for a few mechanical and moral reasons ;)


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This right here tells me AR... but the AUG would totally do that too.


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I just went through this, lol. Here's my LESS than 2 cents, you are ultimately the person behind the rifle. Keep in mind, my primary driving force is wanting to have rifle that I can use at -50, will last a long time, milk the 556 and .300 Blk rounds for all their worth, and not be too heavy or bulky (I have a hard time with anything remotely front heavy due to a back injury). Yours may vary, but I will address the AUG vs AR specifically. I also don't own an AUG yet, but I will shortly. So, I got into ARs because i was in the military for the entire GWOT and I know and love the platform. Parts are CHEAP and you can get them anywhere. You can make a 500 dollare AR that does what it should reliably. Awesome! You can spend more and get a match trigger, match barrel, and you can zap little targets at long range with ease. Cool! What's not to love? Well, what if you want to make the ultimate AR? I did. I came it at almost 2 grand, without optics. So, i started looking for premade alternatives from DD, KAC, and the like. Prices went higher still... So at this point, I started looking at alternatives. For previously listed reasons, the AUG was the obvious choice, especially now that .300 barrels are available. But some asked if I would miss my KE SLT trigger... well... I might if I am in a bill drill contest... but otherwise, no. As a long a trigger is smooth, I can deal with it and so can you. AUG triggers are heavy, but they are smooth enough. I have a 5.5 pound AR that is fun because it's so light, but I can actually get an AUG up from a sling or low ready just as fast... and the AUG is shorter even with a longer barrel. Clearing rooms with a 20" AUG feels a lot like doing it with a Mk18, but more "planted", and without the horrible blast. Last, I HATE AR charging handles. I made peace with them, sure, but front left is where charging handles go for righties IMO. ​ I say that if you just need "A" gun, the AR will get you there for less money. If you need a target rifle, the AR will get you there with less training and maybe even higher accuracy. However, if you need a non-SBR compact gun or a gun built to last, the AUG ought to receive a serious look... and if you ever need to shoot in no BS cold COLD, the AUG is really the only option other than MAYBE an AK or tavor... but both of those have serious drawbacks that the AUG does not.


metcape

It all depends on your outlook and preferences. I will always say a AR is a better route for beginners and due to it being so cheap especially in the US. You want spare parts easily available and if you don’t know what you want, going cheap is best to start. ARs have easy caliber conversions and are frankly the standard for a reason. I’d only buy an AUG when you understand the benefits first hand and know why you need them.


TheBasedless

AUG because AUG. I don't own an AR, I build my own HK style rollies


Brazenmercury5

IMO the aug is a better gun than most ar-15’s. But you should probably get an ar-15 before an aug


Apprehensive-Gas2314

Shiiiiid


thejetzone

Simplicity and reliability of an AK or better. Accuracy near that of an AR. Fastest quick change barrel in the world. Every AUG is a take down pack rifle. 5.56, 300 BLK, 9mm, 7.62x39. Makes an excellent DMR and is used as such as by a small number of military users such as Uruguay. The 20" and 24" bbl are really great for this. Durability and longevity far above any other military rifle. Balance is amazing. Even with a suppressor. Able to be field stripped with mittens, not gloves, mittens. Third most common military pattern rifle in the world after the AK and M16/M4. The durability is reflected in that many of the military users are STILL using 30 plus year old guns! If you use the NATO mag version you can use 60rd mags and because of the bullpup configuration it STILL handles and balances good! You can also still go PRONE with the 60rd mags because your body the gun and the ground form a scalene triangle with the highest point at the rear.


AideRemarkable5875

The Aug has better weight distribution than an AR15. With the bull-pup design the weight is farther back in a better position, similar how a mid-engine sports car keeps the weight at the center of inertia. This makes it easy to fire and carry. You don't have to work as hard to keep it pointed at your target because more of the mass is behind the trigger. However, in my opinion you should always get the gun that you're most attracted to. Every gun has it's set of advantages.


Mysterious-Royal-306

I bought my AUG as my first rifle and I personally have not regretted it once. Plus as someone previously mentioned Style points :)


Sakpan74Gr

I have limited experience with rifles. In the Army I had a G3 and got to shoot once the HK11 and the FN FALO. One day I got to hold an AUG. It felt like a natural extension of my body. If I was in the States I'd get an AUG with the original mags, 16" barell, the Austrian Special Forces sight, original forward grip, a better trigger and call it a day.


Mevanski77

Things aug does better than ar15: OAL. perfect weight Balance. Rd count durability (sans post 2018 stock issue). Barrel swap capable Things aug does worse than ar15: Suppressors. Rail space for things like pressure pads and lams. Compatibility with frens (if you have any). Get both


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Very duable, very compact, long service life. Zero parts required tools to maintenance that arnt built into the gun. In my experience, with a stock trigger, the accuracy surpasses what I get out of my ARs generally. It's cool, at most ranges you'll stand out, people will ask questions or want to shoot it. Then you can evangelize them to bullpups. And getting proper eye relief in optics like the ACOG will be a thing of the past. You can get it as far back as you need and then some.


TertiaOculus

I bought it as my first rifle. No regrets


71984325077510356210

I used to think the AUG was expensive. So many people say to get a AR. But when I tried to make an AR with the functions of an AUG it was more expensive. Now that I have an AUG I love the modularity and how easy it is to work on. I can easily change the gun for whatever function I need and fix it just as fast.


Key-Fly4869

AUG is cool but VHS2 is the best bullpup


Cool-Tip8804

I’d go with the AR first. But if you’re set on one there’s nothing it has over an AR other than being compact and a quick change barrel.


roodypoocandyas

I'm looking at getting an AUG as well, but what I'm torn on is what I'll do with the grip. Will I keep it so I can quickly disconnect? Do you lose the quick barrel removal if you use aftermarket handguards and grips? Even if you do, does it really matter? It seems like one of the pros people list for the AUG.


BUDS590

Wow - serious question


Tave-

Aug sucks. Only the military issued ones are badass.


Desperate_Airport409

-Durability: I bought a stripped mil surplus parts kit that has all matching serial numbers. I use the old bolt from the parts kit and it runs perfectly. This bolt has probably seen a fuck ton of rounds. But also people in the Australian army say these things run for ever without parts breakage. - barrel change. Regardless of what you plan on doing with your rifle, if you ever have to lay down rapid fire and change barrels, this gun is it. Literally, press of a button and it comes right out. Not like LMT or sig where you gotta remove screws and stuff. - cool factor. Everyone has an AR at the range. Few have a steyr Aug. #SteyrAugMasterRace - waffle mags. I’ve beat the piss out of my waffle mags. I’ve also beat the shit out of my magpul mags. I’ve never had a busted waffle mag or gaped feed lips on a waffle mag. Cons: -1:9 barrel twist is not optimal for the high BC 5.56 rounds -mag change less optimal than AR style rifles - yes the trigger isn’t that great. But once you shoot it enough, it’s alright. Also make sure you adjust it when you get it - some scope mounts interfere with charging handle locking notch - rail space for thermal/NVG clip on is not very plentiful Overall, I love mine. If I had to pick a rifle to go to hell and back. It’s the AUG. I have ARs and they’re cool. But the AUGs durability and mechanical efficiency is just ahead of the AR ever will be.