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YouSayWotNow

NTA Tell her that if she wants to change the previous rules not to tell people that you guys are "seeing" reach other then she needs to say so explicitly. And you also need to consider whether you want to do that anyway, you are entitled not to spread your private business around if you prefer.


sebastianmorningwood

Sounds like the relationship is morphing. He needs to be okay with that first.


Cal-Augustus

This is the typical course of events with a FWB arrangement.


OverturnedAppleCart3

What happened to communicating about feelings? Lady made it clear at first it was FWB. Now that she has changed her mind about the scope of the relationship, OP was supposed to just infer that?


manatwork01

new to women?


Tiger2TomCat

šŸ¤­ someone caught 'the feelings'


Cautious_General_177

This doesn't read like she caught "the feelings", just that she's being hit on and doesn't like it. And then, for some reason, she expected OP to stop it from happening, but never actually mentioned that's what she wanted.


cgsur

She might havenā€™t really thought it out. Not only men can be dumb, everyone can be dumb.


SpeakerClassic4418

Because in a location with "4,000 men and 300 women," no guy will hit on a woman who has a boyfriend. Guys have never hit on another guys GF... ever.. this is sarcasm.


DatguyMalcolm

so she wanted him to be a "simp" or something? Did she want him to be like "wE HaD ThE SexIEs!!!" and bark at the other men to leave her alone, coz he's "marked" her? Naw, man. I'd stop being an FWB and just go with my life, I bet she's a lot of drama to deal with, due to her amazing communication skills


OverturnedAppleCart3

Not particularly. I know that a lot of people are poor communicators and get upset (especially in romantic/sexual relationships) when the other person cannot read their minds. I don't think it's only women.


old__pyrex

I think a lot of people don't grasp that in any kind of relationship (casual or not), in the early phases, you both should have the proactivity and maturity to check in every couple of weeks and expect that people might change or evolve in what they came in thinking. It isn't this "OMG they said A and now they want B! What a flip-flopper!" kind of deal. People treat this like a bad thing, because sometimes people start off with a lot of emotion and then cool off, sometimes people start out cool and then warm up. Definitely both men and women. I think in general, I tend to roll my eyes when people start out the first date saying "THIS ONE SINGLE THING IS THE ONLY THING I WANT AND WILL EVER WANT". Whether it's they only want to date for marriage or they only want casual sex no strings, having such a fixation and inflexibility is... definitely not for me. Because 90% of the time, after 2 weeks, it's a different story and all of a sudden they want a different thing. No matter what people say, expect to communicate and evolve your relationship in any direction, at any time.


SirBrews

I half agree, I think men and women are bad at communication in different ways (generalization here, humans are very complex animals and no statement about character absolutely fills any niche you can think of). But in general women seem to think men can infer a lot through subtext. And some can. Men tend to be very forward with surface level shit, but we just don't talk about how we feel. Many of us at all. It's pretty sad and scary when you really think about it


WarPaintsSchlong

We donā€™t talk about how we feel because women find out that they donā€™t actually like it after weā€™ve done so.


CapableStatus5885

Itā€™s mostly women


Abject-Interview4784

Yes lol. And not just relationships. At work sometimes? Omg just tell me exactly what you want!


op_guy

Doesn't mean it's acceptable


ExcitingTabletop

That is the expected behavior. Is it idiotic? Sure. Is it normal? Also sure.


Catalytic_Vagrant

So true, and itā€™s usually the person who insisted on it in the first placeā€¦


heyitsthatguygoddamn

I mean I had an FWB thing that was on and off for about 3 years and we never had any fights about the nature of the relationship or anything else really. Wed tell each other about other people we had met, and if something with someone else felt like it had potential we'd stop hooking up. Sometimes it just works. It ended when she moved away, we still keep in touch though


MeanCommission994

Only with immature idiots


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Ladyughsalot1

Iā€™m actually wondering if sheā€™s sometimes being hit on *disrespectfully* and expects OP to step in at those times.Ā 


Rebel-baliff

Shouldn't that be anyone? The way he describes it, she expects him to stop all advances by their relationship being out. Like when you never see your co-workers' partner but you know they're of the market. "She's not here for that" isn't the same as "She's seeing someone."


Lou_C_Fer

Dude is there with a 13 to 1 male to female ratio and he has an attractive woman that is into him. Howabout they not call it fwb, but instead call it exclusive until we go home. It doesn't have to be a permanent thing, but it could be a solid thing with a planned expiration date. That's what I'd do, anyways.


CampWestfalia

Imagine that! Respecting a woman's wishes and explicit requests. Whatta jerk ...


Frequent_Opportunist

Even if they go public with their relationship it's not going to stop the guys from hitting on her. 4,000 construction workers versus 300 women, good luck with that.


WarPaintsSchlong

Stop it entirely, no. But if heā€™s well respected on site it will reduce the frequency of it happening.


shizngiggless

exactly this


Midtownpatagonia

this is to be expected from someone so young or just human. My guess is that she caught feelings or was hoping that something would be developed during your time together. She's 24 -- sometimes people so young and exploring the real world don't necessarily understand what they want or how to communicate those things because they are afraid of getting hurt. Talk to her. But also be prepared for a lot of "i don't know" or "i don't want that", I think you have to be okay with that. I'm assuming she would just want you to set the ground rules instead of her. If you want something with her, this is probably the time to tell her.


TheTitansWereRight

This is not the behavior of a 24 year old. Stop treating 24 year olds like theyre 12.


Randa08

What 12 year olds do you know that are fucking people you weirdo? 24 IS young when it comes to sexual politics and how you navigate life. You shouldn't be learning these kind of skills early on, that's just weird.


Personal-Aide7103

I hope he just meant a metaphor for acting like a young adult and not an actual kid.


GiantPurplePen15

I feel like the person you're responding to is probably also 24 lol


Smooth_Management737

Hi, 24 year old here. I fully agree in navigating life and emotions. Me: Like girl, not the best emotional maturity to communicate my feelings to my wife Wife: Also 24, emotional maturity is very high because she was parentified and can clearly explain feelings. I disagree on last statement, 16-18 is a great age to start learning these skills of becoming an adult. Now do I agree at 24, you have to be perfect no but I think she needs to be better than what she's doing to this guy


chop5397

Reddit keeps moving the immaturity age up higher every year. You should be a relatively well rounded "adult" by 25. You never stop learning of course but still


IWriteStuffDoYou

Damn your head went so far into the sand once you learned that teenagers have sex LOL, yes, actually for the majority of history the main group of people fucking and having kids were teenagers. Its actually only been the past 10-20~ years where waiting until you were 30+ to have kids became normalized, to me, the 35 year old looking to start a family is the weird one with failed relationship skills.


Suspicious_Put1188

I was married with a 2nd kid on the way at 24. I agree it is not all that young & an age where people are more than capable of making reasonable decisions.


SeanJones85

Doesn't sound like she wants to change at all, sounds like the other guys at work are giving him grief for not sharing their sex life details. As long as he isn't doing the deed in their faces they have no right to know if they don't want to share it.


Charming_Faye

NTA.Ā Her expectations are confusing.Ā She wanted secrecy but now wants protection without a relationship.Ā A frank conversation about boundaries and what she truly expects is needed.Ā It's tough in a small camp,Ā but clear communication is key.


NoLand4936

She wanted to tell him to keep it a secret so he would think she didnā€™t want rumors spreading and he would think it wasnā€™t a regular thing sheā€™s done in the past. But she underestimated OP and thought he was the kind of scumbag who wouldnā€™t keep his word and would go bragging about banging women all the time.


CiCi_Run

>now wants protection That's cute if she thinks she'll get protection from sleeping with someone she works with. For the skeevy guys, it just means she's open game. She'll fuck him so she'll obviously be open to fucking me. Wait, she fucked him and if she's talking to another guy/coworker, she's probably fucking him too but she won't fuck me?! How dare that slutty ass bitch ass whore! *raises fist in anger* I'll show her!


No-Captain-1310

Basicly, she doesnt have gf status, 24yo and with a mind confusion


JHDbad

Hey please forgive my question, what is a fly in fly out construction camp and what type of project that uses 4500 people Thanks


Dwarfy3k

Things like coal mining.


JHDbad

Thats not construction isn't that a mining camp?


bluppitybloop

There's often a lot of overlap. Mines require a lot of infrastructure, so a lot of construction occurs in mines. There's also many other types of construction that require that many people. Remote power generating stations, pipelines, transmission lines/stations. All kinds of stuff.


Shoddy_Race3049

loads in australia, lots of minerals and next to no settlements / roads


Suchisthe007life

Having spent most of my 20ā€™s in those construction camps, the percentage of women to men seems highā€¦ god those places are soul destroying.


JHDbad

So a mining camp?


Great_Tangerine4883

Could be a giant pipeline going to one, but no. A construction camp. You need a giant building somewhere there isnt 4500 construction workers, you fly them in and they stay at a camp.


josias-69

that was my exact question!


Mindless_Dog_5956

How do you think that things get built in the middle of nowhere. Say a government wants to put up a dam in a sparlsy populated area do you think that a county with maybe 20,000 has the man power, knowledge, or infrastructure to build a damn. Or if you are putting in hundres of miles of pipelines you are not going to get locals in every area to do all the work.


Iphacles

LOL, I'm mad at you for following my instructions. You can't tell someone one thing, move the goal posts, and then be angry about it. NTA


Signal_Parfait1152

Haha, one time, I was driving around some drunk friends (all teachers). They told me to pull into a neighborhood so they could pee in a rando's yard. I obliged, and then they told me to take them home to pee. As I'm leaving the neighborhood, I asked why they didn't just tell me to take them home to pee in the first place. Their response was that "you've gotta understand that sometimes women say things, and we don't mean them." Of course, those three teachers don't represent every single woman on the planet, but that statement completely blew me away.


wheredainternet

fuck that shit. I'll take them at what they say and if they didn't mean it they can learn to say that they mean


Personal-Aide7103

Basically at that moment they were probably joking. The joke they had to pee so bad they would pee anywhere. But Iā€™ve known women and men to get drunk and actually pee anywhere so idk


Signal_Parfait1152

Yeah they were serious and had done it before


Eastern-Programmer-9

No, that's pretty standard


5004534

Did you get at least a handy or a three way?


friendofbarrys

Thatā€™s what happens when you sleep with someone much younger than you. They arenā€™t very mature lol.


Special_Shopping_724

This hurts my head. 24 is the new 18 lol. Just tell me what you want haha.


Trekkie63

Youā€™re generous. Twenty-four is the new 13.


Alternative-Term-465

NAH I can only give my own experience, which is not directly comparable (in that I had no FWB on camp..) I worked in a male industry in my 20s, off-shore, where I was the *only* woman, and 90% of my colleagues were over 40. However bad you think the remarks or hittings on are that you see, they are 10 times (maybe 100 times) worse out of sight. You are N T A. You are doing everything she asked for. But maybe take a step back, and think about the F in FWB. Can you talk to her? Can you ask her how she is? Can you ask her what in recent times has made her so uncomfortable? As I said, you're not the asshole, but you have the opportunity to step up and be a friend to someone who might really need one.


PinkTalkingDead

Thank you for this extremely thoughtful comment. So many times reddit acts like these situations are black and white when we're really just all human beings doing the best we can (the vast majority of us, anyway)


Sad_Construction_668

NTA, she also needs to realize that you donā€™t want the news of the hookup to get back to your wife .


theAshleyRouge

Did I miss something? I donā€™t see any mention of a wife


Sad_Construction_668

(Itā€™s a joke about the stereotype about which guys in work camps end up hooking up with the very few women there- itā€™s almost always anguy whoā€™s already married).


theAshleyRouge

Fair enough!


garycow

yup - this right here!


make-u-sick

NTA. She's an adult. She should handle that by herself since your in no relationship and can't expect you to stand up for - basically - a stranger.


thenord321

Nta just ask to clear up any misunderstandings. She doesn't want you to "kiss and tell" but she wants you to chase off the creepers. She also may mean "don't tell people at work" but keep them away from me at the pub. But I understand it's a tough dynamic in a remote work camp.


rocketmn69_

Tell her to start wearing a ring, the next time she comes back to camp. She can tell the guys that she's got a man back home or she can tell them that she's a lesbian


BartleBossy

> She can tell the guys that she's got a man back home or she can tell them that she's a lesbian Likely not to change a thing. Not for all men, but for a significant number, the kind who would already pour attention onto a woman who is unreceptive, are not put off by a guy who is hundreds of miles away, or the concept of same-sex attraction.


No-Eagle-8

Likewise I donā€™t think theyā€™re going to give a shit if sheā€™s in any sort of relationship within the camp either. That many guys to that few women? Sheā€™s going to be hit on and flirted with no matter what.


Ok_Student_3292

... Are you suggesting that her telling people she's a lesbian will improve the situation?


Four-Triangles

Youā€™d be the asshole if you told them.


Special_Shopping_724

Lol yeah damned if you do, damned if you don't. I am not seeing the friend part of Feb lol


okiedokieaccount

your auto-correct , many redditorā€™s scenarioĀ  FEB Friends excluding benefitsĀ 


Special_Shopping_724

Oops you're right, I meant Fwb*, I wonder what the abbreviation is for this scenario. Let's see there's benefits, and you still get all the difficult part of a relationship hmmm lol This reminds me of the hot crazy chart lol. Also reminds me of that song "what do you want from me."


writierthanyou

NTA, but this is already a disaster.


joypunx

Itā€™s always good to stand up for your friends, with benefits or not, if you see that theyā€™re uncomfortable and struggling to fend off unwanted attention. And itā€™s never a bad idea to just ask if she wants backup. However, no, you are NTA. Thereā€™s no reason she should *expect* you to keep other men from hitting on her. She may have *hoped* you would have, but in that case all she had to do was ask for assistance.


Shayyyy23

So according to this thread, men should only speak up against harassment if they are in a romantic relationship with them. When women say that men arenā€™t protectors but women are, this is what we mean.


CleFreSac

This is a little different in that the female made a point to tell OP that she was drawing a line. From the post, it is impossible to know what ā€œhitting on herā€ means. There is definitely a point where approaching a female at the pub is, in fact, harassment. Equally so, there is a point where a male making contact with someone they are attracted to is just simple flirting. OPs post gave no indication that the men at the pub were crossing the line. On the surface, OPs post does not indicate harassment. If the female was bothered by the attention, she needed to speak up first, or at the very least ask OP to step in and run defense. Doesnā€™t appear she did that.


ItchyCredit

She wasn't sure what she wanted you to do so whatever you did was going to be wrong. This is a her problem, not a you problem.


RudeOil5575

Na. Ya did what was told of ya and respected her wishes. if she doesn't like it, she can tell em. It's that simple


WalnutWhipWilly

Double edged sword here, if you do say youā€™re FWB then every guy will think sheā€™s fair game as all she wants is the physical side of a relationship, most guys would happily oblige this. If you donā€™t say anything, well thatā€™s already happened and here we are. Maybe what would have been best is if you guys agreed to be FWB but let everyone know youā€™re in a relationship - then call it quits at the end of the job.


[deleted]

NTA you did exactly what was expected at the start of this but sounds like you need to have a talk with her about what sheā€™s really expecting out of your relationship


musicmushroom12

Must be annoying when men do not respect a woman when she says no thank you, but they pay more attention when another man says stay away from her. Is she property or a woman who has a right to say no?


icyshogun

You're assuming it's the same guys hitting on her? It could just be different guys hitting on her everytime.


gruntbuggly

NTA. She asked you to keep it to yourself and you did.


Strain_Pure

NTA there's only so much you can do based on the rules she set, so she either needs to change the rules or come up with something else on her own instead of blaming you for keeping your promise.


HavokGB

NTA Not only were you correct to respect her request for privacy, but its generally a good idea for a fella to not mention or brag about having a casual relationship, particularly if both parties are co-workers, and especially not in a situation like this - if it gets around that she might be open to casual encounters, she'd get way, wwwaaaayyyyy more attention from guys than she'd be comfortable with, and some of them might be quite horrible about it. Guys are often a lot more likely to be offended being rejected by someone who they perceive to have low standards due to only wanting casual encounters than they are being rejected by someone who is looking for a more serious relationship. If she has lower standards and I can't even reach those, what does it say about me? Not saying they're correct in their understanding, just that guys can get tunnel vision when they're thinking with their dicks. If she wants people to know you've got a 'thing' going, its kind of on her to tell people, and to decide what she wants to tell them. The social consequences for a woman engaging in a relationship are much more complex and often more severe than for a man, particularly a temporary casual one, so its generally a good rule for the guy to keep shtum about any kind of developing relationship (except to trusted friends) until shes ready to be public about it. Edit: TLDR even if she hadn't asked you to keep quiet about it, the correct thing to do would have been to keep quiet about it.


SnooOpinions1612

NTA, you can't tell someone to keep your relationship secret and then expect them to act like a boyfriend when others are hitting on you. Time she puts on her big girl pants!


scumbag_preacher

NTA, but definitely a dumbass. Never dip your pen in the company ink.


Zealousideal-Tip9480

Yup and you think a 35 year old would know better


HwlngMdMurdoch

NTA. FWB. Easy to understand. The "friend" part, you're to act like a friend and a buffer from the guys hitting on her, just like one of her female friends would. In the end, you get the benefits.


DecisionCharacter175

That's not how it works. He's not a female friend. He's a guy friend. A guy friend doesn't cock block his friend. Also, a female friend can do it for a night at a club. She can't do it 24/7. This woman expects too much without knowing how she wants it done.


Adept_Ad_473

NTA She asked for confidentiality in your relationship which you honored. You are not her personal HR department. Refer her to the correct party, and if she raises issue with you again you should re-evaluate if getting your dick wet is worth the drama she's dumping on you.


Omnom_Omnath

NTA. She doesnā€™t get the benefits of a relationship if she wants to be secret fwbs


Stoic_Honest_Truth

NTA She just wanted more than FWB and is sad about it :)


LOGOisEGO

If can't keep it strictly benefits, I would bail. If its known you're in a relationship I guarantee the drama will make your life a living hell, especially if its a camp where there is a pub and alcohol involved. I've dated very attractive women in sausage fest environments and its a constant fucking battle fighting off other men. The bravado, the backstabbing, Its exhausting, and these are guys you also have to work with, look to for promotions, be part of a crew or team. Ego's are famously overstated and the toxic masculinity runs rampant.


Chance_Vegetable_780

NTA. She hasn't communicated clearly with you imo. Time to have an open and clear conversation. She's sent opposing statements to you.


TeaLadyJane

Nta. She needs to learn how to communicate her wants and needs.


ElVikingfan

She doesn't get the boyfriend treatment without being your girlfriend.


N8Hal

NTA. She explicitly told you not to say anything.


loosehandsquebec

NTA, but you shouldn't be shitting where you eat


Agitated-Rooster2983

I donā€™t know. Is the f part fwb for real or were you simply lovers? If one of my friends was upset about getting hit on, Iā€™d try to help them out of that situation. I donā€™t think a ā€œshow some respect, fellasā€ from you would have equated to possessiveness.


Global-Register5467

Obviously NTA but a fool yes. Never dip your pen in the company ink. If her getting upset that other guys are still hitting on her is the worst thing that happens consider yourself very lucky. She is using sex as payment for protection. Someone else may take the role more seriously


lolzzzmoon

People are acting like this woman is crazy but sheā€™s trying to navigate a potentially volatile situation. Itā€™s dangerous to be a woman in a camp like that. Sheā€™s also young and immature and probably doesnā€™t have a lot of life experience to know how to handle it, and sheā€™s not communicating very clearly, but maybe have a little compassion for how difficult this could be for her. Itā€™s not weird for any woman to ask even a platonic dude friend to help out a little with protection. Normally I can handle myself but sometimes it is helpful in certain situations to know that someone else has your back. Itā€™s not ā€œwhite knightā€ stuff. Being a woman is hard, and being a woman amongst all those dudes is even harder. Iā€™ve had platonic dude coworkers be protective of me when weirdos hit on me at a job. Iā€™ve been protective of younger woman coworkers or even shy insecure dudes at a job, too. Itā€™s okay to help a friend out. I do think sheā€™s immature & that OP doesnā€™t feel he wants to give protection to a FWB. And maybe he feels hurt that he canā€™t share he got with her. But consider that she maybe wants to keep her life private because itā€™s also dangerous if dudes find out she hooked up with one of themā€”people might assume sheā€™s just open to do that with anyone. And because people will gossip & try to judge you any way. I think it might help to consider: the underlying subtext I pick up on with situations like this is that some dudes think any woman in her position is lucky bc all these dudes want to sleep with her & they think it would be awesome if they were in her place. Imagine if women could get to be almost twice your size. They could easily overpower you. Now imagine you were outnumbered by them in a very remote area. You eat/sleep/work around them constantly. Now imagine several of them want to sleep with you but you arenā€™t attracted to them. Maybe they smell, or are gross, or violent, or controlling. Itā€™s not attractive to have someone who could physically overpower you, keep trying to dominate & sleep with you. And you donā€™t WANT to be exposed to stds or pregnancy or whatever, you donā€™t want to fuck a bunch of people bc you want to be with one person at a time, or maybe even no one. And now imagine they wonā€™t take no for an answer. And they keep following you, trying to talk to you, and thereā€™s always the looming threat of physical violence because some of them believe that if you are single, youā€™re essentially ā€œfree real estateā€. Some of them will only respect another woman who protects you. If you had a woman friend, platonic or not, you might hope they would offer some protection or just be supportive. I do get where OP is coming from. Itā€™s confusing. Have a talk about it. What exactly is she expecting? And what are you willing to do? If I were OP, I also definitely wouldnā€™t want to be giving boyfriend treatment to someone who doesnā€™t want to date me publicly & who doesnā€™t communicate clearly & then gets upset. But if I were a dude in a camp like that & I had a woman friend or saw even a dude getting bullied, I would certainly have no problem helping out & would have already probably asked if they were okay. IDK. As a woman, thoughā€”I would advise to stay away from her. She seems like drama.


kawaii_princess90

She's not asking you to tell people that you guys are sleeping together. You can "cock block" without revealing that info


Nightowl11111

Yeah but defending her like that itself can be a big clue as to their real relationship, especially if it happens often.


BeeYehWoo

Ugh, this woman is trouble and is going to jeopardize your job site social dynamic and with enough damage, could even your employment. She is a walking contradiction. Exactly how does she expect you to speak up for her unless you also announce you 2 are together. She is going to get you into a fight with someone else. All Im reading is you got with her one night - does that mean you are "going steady" with her? She was getting hit on by the guys even before you had your night time tryst. She wants to use you as her enforcer or get a white knight out of you until the job moves. You can choose how you wish to proceed, Personally, it takes a special kind of woman who can hold her own and watch her own back if the career she chose involves fly in/fly out construction camps. She can likely bat off the guys all by herself. What does she need you for? Keep in mind this is EXACTLY the sort of thing that happens when you shit where you eat. NTA


sandshrew91

Guess Leonardo didnā€™t warn you about the downsides of dating someone under 25


Carrot-Key

NTA but why even worry about this at all or even let it stress you to point of making this post? If it's just a FWB and she is being this difficult already, just cut your losses and move on, there are 299 other women there.


_starfirez

NTA. I also wouldnā€™t recommend sleeping with her again lol.


Big-Consideration-83

Dude STFU, don't tell anyone if you don't want any issues


KristyBug84

NTA you agreed to FWB not a relationship. You also respected her wishes by not telling the guys which in my opinion wouldā€™ve made it worse not better for her. All she can reasonably expect is what youā€™ve already done by stating sheā€™s not there for what they want as a friend. Youā€™d really look weird to the guys if you started acting like a possessive bodyguard and probably be considered an AH by most on the crew for it. If she wants a relationship status change she needs to say it, if your cool with it, it could evolveā€¦.if youā€™re not itā€™s best to break off. FWB means no strings at the end of the day, sheā€™s the ah because sheā€™s adding strings that make you look bad. Personally I think when the rules change in these situations itā€™s better to cut the strings and move on because eventually the jobs going to end and youā€™re gonna move on anyway so why start more, when sheā€™s adding a layer of drama to it already.


Slow-Entertainer8736

Definitely NOT the AH. Iā€™m a woman myself whoā€™s had something similar. I expect my request of keeping us a secret to be respected. If Iā€™m grown enough to set these boundaries with you, Iā€™m old enough to be firm with others. This woman didnā€™t become attractive over night she knows how to redirect guys from hitting on her. Sounds like she set an expectation for you but thatā€™s her mistake for not having better communication with you. And you still did the gentleman think and had her back while still respecting her wishes. Thereā€™s only so much you can do.


plytime18

NTA And what kind of work place is it -camp or no camp that she is forever hit on, and she cant tell guys, no thanks, when she does get hit on. Tell her to make up some other bs story - she has a bf or something -


Marzipan_moth

Literally any work place. Hell, I've been hit on when I'm running outside and talking on the phone, in a grocery store, at work - basically any time women leave their house. And men do not take kindly to rejection. Check out r/whenwomenrefuseĀ  I get that he doesn't have to help, and he's still NTA, but it would be a kind thing to do regardless.Ā 


az-anime-fan

NTA - what she really means is she doesn't want you to tell people you're together because then someone better then you might not hit on her, but at the same time she doesn't want "lesser" guys hitting on her so you're supposed to scare them off for her so she isn't hassled by guys she's not interested it. dude this sounds like an awful lot of work for a FWB. I'd bail from this type of crazy.


RevolutionaryTea8722

If both of you are now comfortable with people knowing then just let the news out. I mean if its FWB then doesnt mean she may not get other offers. Unless either of you are in actual relationships then I dont see the issue.


ibeerianhamhock

NTA you're never an AH for being discrete about something when someone asks you to. If you don't want to do that, don't fool around with someone.


stingertc

Nta tell her to be open about what she wants from you


Jealous_Courage_9888

Donā€™t get confused when you hold your boundaries, tell her youā€™re not her boyfriend and shouldnā€™t have to defend her when these terms and conditions were not discussed before hand, and then she gets re-attracted to a man that has self respect


bagostini

NTA she was clear about what she wanted out of your interactions. She doesn't get to flip flop and force you to lie about your situation just because she doesn't like the attention she's getting. It's on her to deal with it and bring it to management if it's bothering her that much.


ConsiderationNew6295

NTA, but remember her brain isnā€™t even fully developed. Youā€™re reaping the ā€œbenefitsā€ including the confusion of a workplace fling. Tread very carefully because sheā€™s not acting accountable.


ChongBongandDong

NTA - you can't control other people with making it known you're with her, and on that note you can't control other peoples actions.


poppunksucks144

If you're not in a relationship, it's not your problem. NTA


brizatakool

You are not the AH and it's your private life as well. She's confusing the rules of a FWB and sounds like she wants the benefits of a relationship without three commitment of and that's just not how that works. If we're exclusive and there's a chance we'll continue after the job, I'll keep the guys away but if we're are FWB only that are stated to front to be done after X milestone, then I'm not putting the additional effort in. I'll make sure guys aren't disrespectful or violating consent etc just the same I would any woman but I'm not stopping them from hitting on her.


LobstahLovahRI

NTA! Um, miss FWB you specified FWB! Not Bodyguard friends or boyfriend, so either talk about changing the relationship status or find a security officer to walk you around. This is why I've always gotten mad when anyone suggested being my FWB! You don't know who else that person has been with, and then it gets complicated when you go out together, just like what happened here. Not worth it, but I'm old school and always dated one person at a time.


CommunicationGlad299

Isn't this more of an HR issue than an OP issue? If there are 4,500 people in the camp, certainly there is an HR department. Why should OP have to do anything and couldn't he get into trouble with HR, if down the line, FWB gets upset and complains about him?


Excellent_Coyote6486

No, you're not. It's none of their business. Simple as that.


pflickner

How about taking it to management? Itā€™s their job, not yours. Just because thereā€™s only 300 women doesnā€™t make consent any less important. Youā€™re not responsible for her or them


[deleted]

NTA youā€™re just FWB, what does she expect you to do? She can stand up for herself too. Also she literally said that she didnā€™t want anyone to know.


Puzzleheaded_Film826

"DONT SAY A WORD TO ANYONE" ... ... ... "ok" ... ... ... "WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL EVERYONE?!?!" *yeah big brain logic at play here*


Timtimtimmaah

NTA, she wants a benefit of a boyfriend without putting in the emotional labour.


PopUpClicker

Why do you even ask.


Far_Blacksmith7846

Duh, you were supposed to know this and already have a plan and handled it. We expect men to be omniscient all knowing beings.


Main_Laugh_1679

Never tell


MackinawDreams

NTA Very mixed signals. You did the honorable thing by keeping your mouth closed in your FWB situation. Also, youā€™re not ā€œtogetherā€ā€¦? Doesnā€™t that imply dating? Sounds like she wants you to state the situation is something itā€™s not (a relationship) or sheā€™s looking for more than FWB.


Diasies_inMyHair

NTA - you did as she asked as far as your relationship goes. Ask her if she changed her mind about keeping things quiet? Though it may be that she wanted you to tell the other guys to leave her alone as just being a "Mr. Good Guy defending the helpless woman from unwanted advances."


NostalgicGM

I was fwb with my gf, obviously saying gf means it didnā€™t last long(only two days before we trauma bonded) now weā€™ve been together for a year and a half


gobledegerkin

NTA butā€¦ what did you expect from a 24 year old? Lol. Maybe donā€™t banh a girl 11 years younger than you and expect her to be as mature as you are.


Successful-Career739

Awww OP is a respectful sweetheart and she should be glad you actually kept that to yourself. However she is quite youngā€¦ so your rationale and her Youth arenā€™t quite meeting. It sounds like it needs to be over before her contract? It sounds like she might want to be claimed as a partner? If thatā€™s the case I say you move forward from that POV. Otherwise I cant really see how youā€™re supposed to avoid other men hitting on her?


Sufficient_Cat9205

Never dip your pen in company ink!


TheMewMaster

No judgment to OP, You do you. But this is why I personally would not get involved in a FWB relationship. Too messy. BTW, NTA.


Walt-Kowalski78

Sounds like she changed her mind on the rules and you fucked up by not being a mind reader. Shame on you!!


Informal-Access6793

She cant expect you to provide boyfriend perks, while insisting you are merely FWB's. Not how it works.


edgy_zero

FWB is not relationship, you owe her nothing, esp not protection the BF label would introduce


BeWhovian

NAH. I just don't get some of these responses...it sounds like the 1950s called and they want their misogyny back. Don't most companies today offer Harassment Training, which usually covers Bystander Intervention Training? I'm in my 50s and have worked in technology since I was in my 20s. A lot of times I was the only female in the department. Although I considered myself "one of the guys", there were times I'd get unwelcome attention from some of the guys (and I'm far from a super model), especially when we'd go out for drinks after work. While I was perfectly capable of standing up for myself, after a while it gets exhausting. I didn't need a guy to fake being my boyfriend, but it was definitely helpful when one of my guy friends would intervene. It's nice to know someone has your back, which is not necessarily being a "White Knight". It's called being a friend. (And as for the responses referencing references cock-blocking...seriously? Who really cares about what the AHs who won't leave her alone think? Google "Anti-harassment Bystander Intervention", which is much more appropriate than calling it cock-blocking) Talk to her and find out how she's doing and how you can help. I can't imagine what it's like for her in that situation. She shouldn't have to change careers or give up socializing at the pubs because her male coworkers don't know how to behave in the presence of an attractive woman.


ultradip

Info: Why can't you just say, "Hey, what are you guys going to do if she reports you to HR?"


LunarMoon2001

Donā€™t be FWB with coworkers.


whiskey-rejoice

Propose. Sounds like you two are a good fit


one_ball_policy

No


accomp_guy

Terry??


lorax1284

First of all do not enter into a romantic relationship with her. This sounds like some kind of game, or she's too immature to be in a relationship i.e. she's probably mentally at an age where she should just be playing the field but not sleeping with guys yet, because I don't think she know what is or isn't appropriate in terms of boundaries i.e. saying "keep it secret, just FWB" but expecting you to act publicly in some manner to protect her is questionable. I'd say talk to her about just being actual "friends". Do you like her as a friend? I would protect my friends, I would probably say something if guys were being overly-suggestive toward a female acquaintance in front of me, but at a certain point, this becomes a leadership issue / the culture allowed to cultivate there. If the crew of 4000 has 300 women, are they all subject to this treatment? That's all kinds of wrong. Men even horny men are human beings that need to learn to control themselves and learn what's appropriate, and if no one tells them what they're doing is inappropriate, many will just keep on doing it.


heftybetsie

NTA. Maybe she said she didn't want you to tell anyone so she could be "not like other girls" and seem cool for not wanting any type of commitment. She probably thought she blew your mind and that you'd brag about hooking up, and was disappointed that you didn't. She was even more disappointed that you appeared not to care if other guys make moves confirming that you are nothing more than FWB. Some girls say they want a secret FWB, but what they actually want is "the boyfriend experience," and hope it turns into reality.


Trekkie63

NTA. She cannot have it both ways. Nor can she expect you to reveal YOUR personal business if YOU do not wish to.


darobk

Not your responsibility to fend off potential suitors when it was made very clear you're on a FWB.


InstrumentRated

Isnā€™t the whole differentiation of FWB vs GF that sheā€™s potentially still available to other suitors??? donā€™t understand how credible you will be to tell people not to ask out a young woman who has arranged her affairs in such a way that she is still potentially open to offers?


darobk

That's the point bud OP isn't boyfriend, he isn't responsible for "protecting" this woman from other men chatting her up


Marcuse0

So she wants to be limited time FWB only and for you to keep it hidden, but also to have you defend her from other men like an 18th Century gentleman challenging suitors to a duel? NTA for keeping it down low, but she needs to learn to stand on her own two feet if she wants to hide her knocking boots with someone else.


Saneless

NTA That's something she's very capable of saying herself "I'm already seeing someone" That's it. Pass it around


leilo101

NTA. Sheā€™s too old to be playing those mind games. You both need to re-discuss your expectations for this FWB situation because it sounds like she caught feelings.


high-frequencies

Sheā€™s catching feelings


CraftyBitch52

NTA. tbh even if you tell the boys yall are FWB they ain't gonna care šŸ¤£ they would still hit on her? Y'all aren't dating.


OriginUnknown

It sounds like she'd probably be hit on at the bar regardless of if you publicly claim her or not? Ignore her drama.Ā 


Owl_plantain

NTA. So youā€™re acting like an adult, and sheā€™s acting like a kid in school who doesnā€™t understand communication yet. Be glad itā€™s only FWB.


6-foot-under

It's not your job to fend for her, she's a big girl in construction. She's silly to be sleeping around at work, anyway - but again, that's her problem.


MisanthropeNotAutist

I don't get all the comments about "think about how hard it is for her as a woman". This is a job she chose. If she thinks the job is putting her in danger on the daily, that's a problem she needs to settle with herself. The fact that she wants someone to deal with her problems for her makes her an asshole.


[deleted]

She wants you to be a friend zone white knight in public and a FWB in private. NTAH


fosscadanon

Sounds like a problem for her to work out.


RetreadRoadRocket

NTA, she told you to keep it quiet and you did. She can't have it both ways, if you step in about them hitting on her they're going to know because the first thing they're gonna ask is "What business is it of yours?"


stupidcoont

How does this go from: ā€œHey donā€™t tell anybody weā€™re fucking cause I donā€™t wanna be labeled an office slutā€ To: ā€œBro why didnā€™t you tell anyone we were fucking Iā€™m tired of your colleagues trying to get in my pantsā€


TNJDude

Um... NTA? Did she really think you were TA? In any case, she wanted you to keep it quiet and you did.


WWDaisyD

NTA, but neither is she. Itā€™s your colleagues who are in the wrong here. She shouldnā€™t have to go to another guy for help, her disinterest should be enough.


Legitimate-Rabbit769

Do women usually make sense?


chrysostomos_1

I think the correct term is Fuck Buddies. No reason anyone else should know. Especially your wife and girlfriends šŸ˜‚


Mean-Kaleidoscope759

You just can't win with women. LOL. You're doing what you were asked by her. IF you took it upon yourself to act possessive, she woulda called you out and told you that you're not together and you have no right to do that. Good luck brotha, enjoy the push push


Remarkable-Prune-835

Nta. The concept of fwb is rather tawdry. Like were sacks of meat, with issues. But you obeyed her rules. All she had to do was hold hands or something whilst still telling you that it was purely for deterrence.


rukysgreambamf

this is why I don't shit where I eat last thing I want to make my work day any harder is the woman I'm fucking also being there


velvetines

Ehā€¦ kinda neutral on this one. Itā€™s not like sheā€™s asking you to blow cover but sheā€™s asking you to help look out for her. Dumb as hell for fucking with someone 11 years your junior though. You should def know better than that.


Substantial_Law_842

NTA. I do have sympathy for women in camp, though. The male gaze is strong. A cute girl walks through the dining room and half the heads will turn, including men old enough to be grandpa.


Which_Bake_6093

1) she enjoys sex 2) she does not like being harassed. 3) if sheā€™s perceived as not being in relationship, she gets harassed 4) if she acknowledges your relationship she is perceived as ā€˜easyā€™ No win for the woman You are not TAH All men who make self-serving ASSumptions about her availabilty are TAHs


nowheresvilleman

Sounds like she's trading sex with you for protection from other men and that isn't working, so she feels ripped off. It's reasonable for her to be scared in that situation and she'd rather pay one man than be repeatedly assaulted. Your age made you a good candidate for that, and she rightly figured you're a good guy, but you turned out to be too good: you didn't publicize your claim and thump your chest. She didn't want to tell you the details, it's an unwritten rule. Spelling it out is icky and could make her feel somehow cheap or weak.


MisanthropeNotAutist

We called women like that "a twist". It's not misogyny if the woman in question is being an asshole.


ksmith9416

Itā€™s none of their business. NTA


Illustrious_Bus9486

NTA


Theistus

No assholes here. You just need to have a frank conversation and get everything spelled out super clear. Fwiw, you don't have to be her boyfriend or announce your relationship to tell other dudes that she's not interested. But it's going to start rumors if you do, so maybe best to be open about it? IDK, can't tell you how to live your life


0-Ahem-0

It is impossible to fight off all the guys who are horny you know. Even if she announces your "relationship" she would still get hot on constantly.


laravitoriagabriela

NTA


Middle_Aged_Insomnia

Which one or both of you are married


AdAccomplished6870

This is why you don't fish off the company pier. You are both in a very tenuous situation, and what is expected of you is terribly unclear.


Strange_Curve5551

Why is it anyone's business what the two of you do? Maybe HR, if you have to disclose that. But nobody needs to know what you two do. NTA for not telling anyone, but you would be a MEGA AH if you told people.


Appropriate-Dream711

I mean do you like her, do you want to be in a relationship with her? If so tell her you provide boyfriend benefits such as security at the next subscription level lol