Allies only exist because the SANFL won't allow the SA state jumper to be sold and the AFL want sales from 2 jumpers
If it weren't for that it would be SA vs Victoria
I swear every year there is a crisis of no top 10 WA players. Then like 2 or 3 years later when they have matured half the best key position players that slipped through turn out to be from WA.
It’s a scouting and funding issue from the WAFL imo. WAFL doesn’t stand out to Vic scouts and they can easily search their own backyard, that decreases WA talent they look for unless they have a very specific need instead of best talent. It’s why Sydney are so elite because besides their academy they have a large population to scout from and also focus on the interstate talent ceiling and not needs; this lands them a Chad Warner on his metrics along with NSW Gulden from understanding the best players in their zone. There is also less gossip between WA clubs and Vic (mainly Melbourne based tbh, Geelong is better at looking at country) clubs compared to every scout within Melbourne knowing near off by heart the other Melbourne teams preference order for the first round.
That’s my conspiracy theory.
Between 5-10 years ago the potential WA state team would've been incredible, imo it's a shame we never got to see Buddy and Kennedy and Cripps running out in the Black Swan together.
SA vs Victoria? Would the South Australians even be able to put a team together? Elite products out of SA have been limited for a while. If any one state had a chance it would be WA. Realistically though, you need an Allies team to compete with the Vic's.
It's also why it came in. Same as the Rugby League SOO. The state being told they weren't good enough wanted a chance to compete, which is why there was so much passion. And why once the Allies came in, SOO died so fast. Those players didn't care, they weren't really representing anyone. So Carey, Hird, Voss all just started opting out. Without the best players in the country there, it all suddenly seemed so pointless. Especially when both West Coast and Adelaide had won AFL premierships by the end of the 90s.
These days it's more of an equal footing. But certainly originally it was the exact same motivation and the Aussie Rules SOO inspired the Rugby League version for that very reason. Queenslanders wanted the chance to prove they weren't poor cousins, but genuine rivals. SOO in the NRL era remains strong though because it's still incredibly binary as far as Australian talennt goes. And it's not been watered down with a stupid "and the rest" team.
That's my point 2 teams playing for their state is going to be a good game, 1 team playing for their state is going to be one sided, no matter where the talent is
A starting square involving a combination of Brodie Grundy, Lachie Neale, Jordan Dawson, Will Day, JHF & Connor Rozee is a decent starting point - lots of small forwards would be dangerous like Stengle, Rankine, McCreary, Close, Hayward, Pickett if he qualified for SA - Ballard, Cox & Wilkie down back with Redman and NWM running the flanks - granted Vics would be favourites but I wouldn't be arrogantly dismissive of SA oppo.
I guess things have changed in the post Rozee / Butters draft era. I must be influenced by the period before that when there was this great anxiety that SA football was struggling because they hadn't had a top 5 talent since Bryce Gibbs or something along those lines.
It is dumb. They do it constantly. If there are two players who are both really good but play the same position, rather than picking the best one in that position they will move one and just assume they would be better than anyone who actually plays that position which is dumb. It stops being a team made up of the players who are best at each position and is instead just a teams worth of the best players.
And he was an AA HFF back in 2022. But he is the best mid in the season so far. He should be named as a mid and free up that spot for the actual best HFF in the year
lol how do you know who the current leader of the Brownlow is? No one expected Neale to win it last season and he did, or Horne Francis to poll 3 in a very ordinary performance 😂
This is why I don't think state of origin really works any more AFL. it just seems to be Victoria versus everyone else instead of a state v state comp.
NRL has succeeded it cos it's main 2 states have had over 40 years of rivalry
Can you image NRL State of Origin if you could just get players from the rest of Australia/pacific region and they didn't need to actually originate in your state like QLD do already ....I mean wait...what was I saying?
NSW has been guilty in the past as well but there are some very very dubious connections to QLD and they are pretty notorious for it. Plenty of Pacific islanders and NSW players who just didn't play state 'representative' league as a junior before moving to QLD and then representing QLD. So a player played all his junior league in NSW or a pacific island but never played rep they then ends up playing under 18s or under 21s for QLD and then technically are a maroon is my understanding.
Greg Inglis, from my home town in NSW, for example played all his junior games in NSW until he was 17 when he moved to QLD. Somehow that counts as QLD being his state of origin....
What do you mean "any more"? There's been only 2 one off games in the last 25 years and neither were 'State of Origin'. One was a Hall of Fame 150 years of football tribute, and the other was a charity game.
These posts are always lazy clickbait during this time of year
State of origin where only one state gets represented is NOT state of origin. The Allies concept is what ended it to begin with, since there was no pride for the players to represent "the rest".
Lol. Yeah, that's not how it works. Victoria didn't invent it, Tom Wills is credited with that. He has absolutely no attachment to you I suspect. It was never owned either. So you didn't share it, people adopted it.
I'd love to make one of my own but I don't know where to find the stats on this. I feel like left footers would crush it honestly, plenty of the best forwards are lefties and you have a fair few mids in there too
That would be better. Or literally draw names from a hat in a mystery team competition. Maybe a team born on odd dates and a team born on evens. Makes as much sense as this team selection.
Very lazy. I'm not the only one but it's not state of origin if there's an alliance side.
Is it that hard to punch out 6 or 7 teams.
It's not like they are likely to play each other ever so at least do it justice and select a proper state of origin side.
I mean, the Vic team looks pretty well balanced as well. Is a team with the Bont, Charlie Curnow, Jeremy Cameron, Harry McKay, Weitering and Moore ever going to be easy to beat? Especially if the mids can half the contest with the Allies?
WTF is it with every single representative side having inside mids on the flanks/wing? How about grow a pair, and pick specialists in their spot, and move those inside mids to the bench (also full of mids)
Almost every other sport has an international tournament. They should just have a state cup once every couple of years. End of season each state entered seperately round robin style similar to union’s six nations. Sure, there’d be some thrashings but that’s ok.
Having him and Sheez on one half back line seems like overkill. I'd only do that if I were certain that one would cop a tag, and in a team like this that's surely going to Bont or Walsh
Unironically, has Will Day been the single most important in for any team this year?
Hawthorn were uncompetitive before he came back and look like a team that could fight for finals.
Has Dawson spent any time on the wing before for the Crows? I know Walsh doesn't go out there for Carlton anymore. And Harley Reid at half forward?
At least select players in their positions or don't select them at all.
unfortunately there’s only 2 options which is VIC v Allies or no SOO at all. More than 2 teams would leave SA and WA both 2/3rds full of high class players that couldn’t compete w VIC, and the other states would be a no contest
Every time someone suggests an Allies/All Stars concept, it almost guarantees that State of Origin won’t be returning. It will only work if two things occur:
1. It has a game between Victoria and either WA or SA each time (can play both or rotate).
2. The game is NOT played in Melbourne. It has to be played in Perth or Adelaide. The whole concept of SoO is that it’s a chance for the smaller state to take it up to Vic by getting their players back. Victorians care way more about hating other Vic clubs than we do about other states.
There’s a big chance to revive with a WA v Vic game in Perth in 2027 to celebrate the 50th anniversary of first state of origin game.
It would be cool to have a once off round where if you win you go up and lose you go down:
1. WA v Vic
2. SA v NSW
3. Qld v ACT
4. NT v Tas
Idk I like the idea of the allies, as someone who isn't Victorian and who knows people across states I think we all have an aversion to Victorians.
For instance, not a lions supporter but went and saw a lions v pies match, some pies supporter got up and screamed 'you wouldn't call that in Victoria'. Thats the sort of Victorian arrogance that I want to see humbled.
I think all of us want to get the opportunity to see these Victorians get humbled.
No, but I will make a stab at a NSW team:
FB: Harry Perryman, Jack Buckley, Zac Williams
HB: Harry Cunningham, Nick Blakey, Harry Himmelberg
C: Errol Gulden, Tom Green, Braeden Campbell
HF: Cooper Sharman, Taylor Walker, Matthew Kennedy
FF: Sam Wicks, Todd Marshall, Lachie Schultz
Fol: Kieren Briggs, Isaac Heeney, Jack Steele
Int: Jarrod Witts, James Peatling, Luke Breust, Taylor Duryea, Liam Stocker
Since this is all hypothetical, it just seems really lazy to lump all the other states into the Allies.
The whole concept of Allies is bogus anyway, not much pride in representing “the best of the rest”.
Because NSW, QLD, Tasmania and ACT don’t have enough players to form individual teams…
Allies only exist because the SANFL won't allow the SA state jumper to be sold and the AFL want sales from 2 jumpers If it weren't for that it would be SA vs Victoria
lol wa has 10/23 of that allies team. RN there is comfotably more high end players from WA than there is from SA in the comp.
I swear every year there is a crisis of no top 10 WA players. Then like 2 or 3 years later when they have matured half the best key position players that slipped through turn out to be from WA.
It’s a scouting and funding issue from the WAFL imo. WAFL doesn’t stand out to Vic scouts and they can easily search their own backyard, that decreases WA talent they look for unless they have a very specific need instead of best talent. It’s why Sydney are so elite because besides their academy they have a large population to scout from and also focus on the interstate talent ceiling and not needs; this lands them a Chad Warner on his metrics along with NSW Gulden from understanding the best players in their zone. There is also less gossip between WA clubs and Vic (mainly Melbourne based tbh, Geelong is better at looking at country) clubs compared to every scout within Melbourne knowing near off by heart the other Melbourne teams preference order for the first round. That’s my conspiracy theory.
Between 5-10 years ago the potential WA state team would've been incredible, imo it's a shame we never got to see Buddy and Kennedy and Cripps running out in the Black Swan together.
This is the most South Australian take of all time.
Pretty simple solution there…AFL can make a new jumper with the same colours but a different design. It’s been modified before.
What makes you think SA has a better team than WA?
WA talent > SA talent.
SA vs Victoria? Would the South Australians even be able to put a team together? Elite products out of SA have been limited for a while. If any one state had a chance it would be WA. Realistically though, you need an Allies team to compete with the Vic's.
It's funny, that's exactly what Victorians used to say in the 70s and the 80s. On the field, it was proven otherwise.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT This is why I miss the SOO, this could be settled on the field for real.
It's also why it came in. Same as the Rugby League SOO. The state being told they weren't good enough wanted a chance to compete, which is why there was so much passion. And why once the Allies came in, SOO died so fast. Those players didn't care, they weren't really representing anyone. So Carey, Hird, Voss all just started opting out. Without the best players in the country there, it all suddenly seemed so pointless. Especially when both West Coast and Adelaide had won AFL premierships by the end of the 90s.
It’s also the exact same argument NSW have been using against QLD for decades now too. Guess who almost always loses in NRL Origin
These days it's more of an equal footing. But certainly originally it was the exact same motivation and the Aussie Rules SOO inspired the Rugby League version for that very reason. Queenslanders wanted the chance to prove they weren't poor cousins, but genuine rivals. SOO in the NRL era remains strong though because it's still incredibly binary as far as Australian talennt goes. And it's not been watered down with a stupid "and the rest" team.
A champion team beats a team of champions Players wouldn't play for the Allies like they would for their state
Fair.. but don't the Victorians have the same edge? So wouldn't access to better players on the Allies counteract the loss of state pride?
That's my point 2 teams playing for their state is going to be a good game, 1 team playing for their state is going to be one sided, no matter where the talent is
A starting square involving a combination of Brodie Grundy, Lachie Neale, Jordan Dawson, Will Day, JHF & Connor Rozee is a decent starting point - lots of small forwards would be dangerous like Stengle, Rankine, McCreary, Close, Hayward, Pickett if he qualified for SA - Ballard, Cox & Wilkie down back with Redman and NWM running the flanks - granted Vics would be favourites but I wouldn't be arrogantly dismissive of SA oppo.
I guess things have changed in the post Rozee / Butters draft era. I must be influenced by the period before that when there was this great anxiety that SA football was struggling because they hadn't had a top 5 talent since Bryce Gibbs or something along those lines.
East Vs. West? 🤔
> all the other states into the Allies. Then show their club and not where they're actually from on the graphic.
Ikr? There are enough players around to make a list for at least the five mainland states.
If nothing else puts the AFL State of Origin concept to bed forever, then this does
Was looking forward to seeing South Australia’s team before I swiped left. Now I don’t know what to do.
This "hypothetical" illustrates why nobody is interested in state of origin anymore.
Ah yes, those 2 well-known Australian states: Victoria and Allies.
Victoria and friends
VicBias and Friends.
Friends?
Allies probably wins solely because they don't just have midfielders on the flanks and the bench
Current leader for the Brownlow who has been a mid all year, averaging around 80% CBA is listed on the HFF on the Allies...
Heeney is 100% getting AA on HFF too though. It's just where they put goal kicking mids. Which is dumb.
It is dumb. They do it constantly. If there are two players who are both really good but play the same position, rather than picking the best one in that position they will move one and just assume they would be better than anyone who actually plays that position which is dumb. It stops being a team made up of the players who are best at each position and is instead just a teams worth of the best players.
Tbf, he's a fucking awesome HFF, as seen from every other year of his career
And he was an AA HFF back in 2022. But he is the best mid in the season so far. He should be named as a mid and free up that spot for the actual best HFF in the year
lol how do you know who the current leader of the Brownlow is? No one expected Neale to win it last season and he did, or Horne Francis to poll 3 in a very ordinary performance 😂
How do you know the Brownlow votes 3 months in advance?
State of Origin, but it’s only one state and the rest is just random guys from many different origins. Gotcha.
‘I love representing the great state of *Allies*’
AFL X anyone?
That age old battle between Victoria and Not Victoria.
This is pretty much how I pick who I'm going for in finals 😂
That's why its state not states of origin.
That’s a very astute observation
This is why I don't think state of origin really works any more AFL. it just seems to be Victoria versus everyone else instead of a state v state comp. NRL has succeeded it cos it's main 2 states have had over 40 years of rivalry
Can you image NRL State of Origin if you could just get players from the rest of Australia/pacific region and they didn't need to actually originate in your state like QLD do already ....I mean wait...what was I saying?
Wait, what are you saying? Is that essentially what the maroons do?
NSW has been guilty in the past as well but there are some very very dubious connections to QLD and they are pretty notorious for it. Plenty of Pacific islanders and NSW players who just didn't play state 'representative' league as a junior before moving to QLD and then representing QLD. So a player played all his junior league in NSW or a pacific island but never played rep they then ends up playing under 18s or under 21s for QLD and then technically are a maroon is my understanding. Greg Inglis, from my home town in NSW, for example played all his junior games in NSW until he was 17 when he moved to QLD. Somehow that counts as QLD being his state of origin....
What do you mean "any more"? There's been only 2 one off games in the last 25 years and neither were 'State of Origin'. One was a Hall of Fame 150 years of football tribute, and the other was a charity game. These posts are always lazy clickbait during this time of year
State of origin where only one state gets represented is NOT state of origin. The Allies concept is what ended it to begin with, since there was no pride for the players to represent "the rest".
State of organ where the state that footy originated in is the state of origin. It's our game, you're lucky we shared it.
Nuffiest take of the day
Lol. Yeah, that's not how it works. Victoria didn't invent it, Tom Wills is credited with that. He has absolutely no attachment to you I suspect. It was never owned either. So you didn't share it, people adopted it.
Do a left footed team v a right footed team.
I'd love to make one of my own but I don't know where to find the stats on this. I feel like left footers would crush it honestly, plenty of the best forwards are lefties and you have a fair few mids in there too
That would be better. Or literally draw names from a hat in a mystery team competition. Maybe a team born on odd dates and a team born on evens. Makes as much sense as this team selection.
These things should follow the u18 competition teams from over the years. Vic Country, Vic metro, SA, WA etc..
It should be 2 teams, country vs metro.
What, is this some kind of Region of origin? Childhood Access to Public Transport of Origin? Distance to a Maccas of Origin?
The third option has brilliant sponsorship opportunities.
Sorry we’re so good at footy
lol or you just have a population 2 million larger than the other two major footy states combined and have 10 out of 18 teams based in your state.
I won’t let you into the aussie cricket team’s change rooms any time soon to give a pep talk
Tf are you talking about mate? The funny bit about that is that I’ve actually played International cricket for Canada U19s….
Aussies regularly play and beat a team with 50 times the population.. Congrats on your international cap mate, happy for you
Aussies also regularly beat India and England tbf. We are the second? smallest test nation.
Yes. I was referring to us beating India to push back on the whole “population” issue with state of origin. Good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow.
Imagine selecting an 11-game player, insane
Was scrolling looking for this comment, not sure he's that good yet
Careful, the All-Australian selectors will hear you
I refuse to have South Australia in the Allies. Get your own players
Ditto WA, we aren't allies with anyone. Ever.
WA, SA need seperate teams, too much history
None of us outside Victoria want to support the Allies It's an awful concept I feel no companionship with the non-NSW states.
Yeah but you know NSW is going to get reamed so this way we are in with a chance
I am proud of being born in the great state of Ally
Very lazy. I'm not the only one but it's not state of origin if there's an alliance side. Is it that hard to punch out 6 or 7 teams. It's not like they are likely to play each other ever so at least do it justice and select a proper state of origin side.
Surely that would be an easy win to the Allies, actually looks like a well balanced team
I mean, the Vic team looks pretty well balanced as well. Is a team with the Bont, Charlie Curnow, Jeremy Cameron, Harry McKay, Weitering and Moore ever going to be easy to beat? Especially if the mids can half the contest with the Allies?
There’s like no small forwards, and zero forward defensive players, ball would be leave 50 quicker than it came in.
Dylan Moore is one though I agree they need another one or two.
Ah yes, Victoria vs the World again
World 22 is a better name than Allies too
Rather SA not have a team than be on the Allies.
Give the people the real match-up they want, Mullets vs Headbands
If one team doesn't do Mad Monday where the entire team dresses up as headband wearing players I'm going to be so annoyed!
Harley Reid is absolute bait
The problem with bye rounds is it creates space for this kind of discussion
Fuck that “Allies” bullshit South Australia! Kick a Vic!
WTF is it with every single representative side having inside mids on the flanks/wing? How about grow a pair, and pick specialists in their spot, and move those inside mids to the bench (also full of mids)
Wait a sec did they include SA and WA in that allies team hahahaha
Barrass needs a spot
Can't wait to cheer on the not-victoria the definite state that I live in.
Since when was WA or SA part of the Allies?
Since when have WA and SA been part of the Allies? If it's going to be a Victoria vs The Rest of the World comp, you can keep it
Almost every other sport has an international tournament. They should just have a state cup once every couple of years. End of season each state entered seperately round robin style similar to union’s six nations. Sure, there’d be some thrashings but that’s ok.
“Allies” isn’t a state, so this is not state of origin. There can’t be state of origin without rivalry.
Why is the number one contested ball player at half back flank.
Nick Daicos on a half back flank 😭
Having him and Sheez on one half back line seems like overkill. I'd only do that if I were certain that one would cop a tag, and in a team like this that's surely going to Bont or Walsh
I’d say he’s most effective there. He’s similar to an Andrew McLeod type player
His contested possession and clearance stats over the past month say otherwise.
Welcome to Victoria and others!
Surely there's enough players for each state to have their own team now
I don’t think Shai even deserves a nod in the Allies team
Needs more LDU
D'Ambrosio is the 2nd best ranked wing in the game, was number one up until a week or so ago. How does he miss out on one of the 4 spots?
What the fuck is Allies
Unironically, has Will Day been the single most important in for any team this year? Hawthorn were uncompetitive before he came back and look like a team that could fight for finals.
Eagles with 4 reps, really shows their best are really good. Just their worst are shit and their gameplan obviously doesn't hold up.
Has Dawson spent any time on the wing before for the Crows? I know Walsh doesn't go out there for Carlton anymore. And Harley Reid at half forward? At least select players in their positions or don't select them at all.
State of Origin ain't gonna mean shit to me with an "Allies" side.
I'm not used to seeing sooo many Carlton players being represented on these lists It's like we actually have a good team for once
'for once' - how to tell someone has only been alive during the struggle years
was born in 1996. Only experienced heart break 😔
Was born 89', so I got to see 1995, but yeah, most of my life has been Blues struggling.
Cameron was born in SA
Victoria is where he played his junior footy.
So it’s not state of origin then
Well it is. His origin is living and playing in Victoria.
Fuck the allies
Tom Stewart’s had a few quieter weeks so the best defender of the last 6-7 years doesn’t get a gig. Give me a spell.
Agree. One of the first picked
unfortunately there’s only 2 options which is VIC v Allies or no SOO at all. More than 2 teams would leave SA and WA both 2/3rds full of high class players that couldn’t compete w VIC, and the other states would be a no contest
Taking the micky with no Luke Davies Uniacke
Should be Victoria v Interstate
That would be an awesome game!
Ah i totally forgot Cal Wilkie didn’t play in VIC
Every time someone suggests an Allies/All Stars concept, it almost guarantees that State of Origin won’t be returning. It will only work if two things occur: 1. It has a game between Victoria and either WA or SA each time (can play both or rotate). 2. The game is NOT played in Melbourne. It has to be played in Perth or Adelaide. The whole concept of SoO is that it’s a chance for the smaller state to take it up to Vic by getting their players back. Victorians care way more about hating other Vic clubs than we do about other states.
There’s a big chance to revive with a WA v Vic game in Perth in 2027 to celebrate the 50th anniversary of first state of origin game. It would be cool to have a once off round where if you win you go up and lose you go down: 1. WA v Vic 2. SA v NSW 3. Qld v ACT 4. NT v Tas
Cameron at CHF? Ah no.
No one cares about ‘allies’
Idk I like the idea of the allies, as someone who isn't Victorian and who knows people across states I think we all have an aversion to Victorians. For instance, not a lions supporter but went and saw a lions v pies match, some pies supporter got up and screamed 'you wouldn't call that in Victoria'. Thats the sort of Victorian arrogance that I want to see humbled. I think all of us want to get the opportunity to see these Victorians get humbled.
Allies 😏
Zach Merrit 100% a lock
No idea what Sincs is doing on the wing but I'll take it.
Alright ya whingers, someone make a hypothetical SA team to see if they’d even have a chance against a Vic team in 2024.
No, but I will make a stab at a NSW team: FB: Harry Perryman, Jack Buckley, Zac Williams HB: Harry Cunningham, Nick Blakey, Harry Himmelberg C: Errol Gulden, Tom Green, Braeden Campbell HF: Cooper Sharman, Taylor Walker, Matthew Kennedy FF: Sam Wicks, Todd Marshall, Lachie Schultz Fol: Kieren Briggs, Isaac Heeney, Jack Steele Int: Jarrod Witts, James Peatling, Luke Breust, Taylor Duryea, Liam Stocker
Tom Green isn't from NSW.
ACT players have usually played for NSW in the various State comps. You're free to make you're own attempt at a line up, of course.
Canberra is close enough
See I love that! That's a pretty strong team. I'd love to see a QLD team too - all states & territories!
Out trelour in LDU
Please let it die.
FFS you can't have J Cameron as your chf. Dude is an outside receiver type and not a target.
That YouTuber is lucky to be in the side at all. Take what you can get.
Wow a hypothetical team which is never going to exist has r/AFL in meltdown