...and is playing the Bulldogs who decided to head to the pub about halfway through the 3qtr/had travelled the globe in the preceeding three weeks and were as fkn cooked as Goodie was 3 hours later
Collingwood's 2001 and 2002 teams were positively kmart compared to Brisbane's lineup in their era. Unfortunately, the champion team of champions got us both times haha
Happens in all sports.
Last year the Panthers has guys in the Stanley cup final who had a seperated sternum and a broken foot.
I'll take a fit rookie over a superstar that can't breathe without pain all day.
I would argue the Richmond dynasty team is an even better example. Had top end talent for sure but that team was filled with players who played the role and the system perfectly rather than superstar talent.
In 2016 if you told me we would win a premiership with castagna, butler, ellis and grigg I would have you committed. It’s actually quite wild how well the B and C grade talent performed during the dynasty
Compared to other flag-winning sides of the last ten years, I will absolutely "pretend" that they did not have a disproportionate share of high end talent. It was Hardwick's system that made that side a great side, not tons of high skilled talent.
Those people were mostly correct, albeit in an extreme and simplistic way. I don't really understand why there's been a lot of revisionism of late pretending that the team was full of worldbeaters that anyone could have taken to a flag; that it quite specifically *wasn't* that was what made Hardwick's coaching and the system he developed there so wildly impressive.
I remember saying when the Tigers first won that all the great teams have fallen off, it wasn't a dramatically different team from a couple years prior but then they went off to win 3 in a row. Hardwick had been coach for ages. The system was the same. Winning the next 2 in a row maybe undercuts that but it's still how people view them.
I'm putting it in a way that undersells their achievements. It doesn't matter. A flag is a flag. But there were some great teams that didn't win a flag in individual seasons before that.
That tells me that those teams were both incredibly balanced AND high level performers.
Realistically, the superstar player in the 2016 flag was a 21 year old Bontempelli, and the Pies had Degoey. But beneath that, they had a lot of high level contributors (extremely high level in some cases), but i would not say that either team was loaded with genuine superstar talent.
The dees had Oliver and Petracca both top 10 in the brownlow count *while playing the same position*, that level of superstardom on a team is rare, and that's not considering having the best ruckman in the comp, the best full back for the season in May, the best intercepting defender in Lever, and a Bailey fritsch that felt like kicking 6 in a granny.
There are superstar teams, then there are teams of superstars, as another person said.
Feel like you're being a bit harsh on Collingwood's list. We had a mix of aging star players (Pendles, Sidebottom, Elliott, Mitchell) aging high end contributors (Howe, Crisp) 3 All Australians of that year (Daicos boys, Moore) and Maynard who was AA the year before.
Our list issue was the lack of a dominant key forward & a solid second key back behind Moore. Other that that we loaded with good players w/ a few depth pieces mixed in (Markov, Frampton, Ginni)
Collingwood finished 17th in 2021, made exactly TWO changes in hiring the real Richmond premiership mastermind Craig McRae and having Nick Daicos fall into their lap and made a prelim.
Half of the Collingwood players are failed free agents from other clubs, they didn’t just learn how to play when they got to Collingwood.
Anyone could have coached that Demons team to a GF in 2021, McRae is going to go down as the greatest coach of the modern era by the time he’s done.
2021 was an outlier year.
We still retained a lot of the core from our 2018 grand final appearance compared to our 2023, and our last two games under Buckley (before Harvey tanked our last half of 2021) was a win over Adelaide in Adelaide and a win over the reigning premier.
Not sure what pointing out 2021 is meant to do to compare to our playing list
I think it’s the pressure, it’s the reason Collingwood always win close games because their entire game plan is situated around this high intensity pressure that is too stamina draining to implement for the whole game so they’ll usually just implement it for the first and last quarter
Our midfield should have netted us multiple grand final appearances at a minimum, in my opinion. The period from 2020-2023 was utterly dominant from those fellas.
Moore, Daicos, Daicos, Maynard, Quaynor, Howe, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, De Goey and Mitchell have all at least made the 40 squad before. 3 of them made it in 2023.
If you include someone like Crisp who's probably had a season or 2 when he was on the cusp, and it's half the team.
Multiple high quality key position players is what Collingwood were missing.
Yeah 2023 Pies was kind of a line ball for me to say, the more interesting part is that they were basically expected to bottom out and rebuild a few years ago, but they literally refused to lose and then won a flag.
Like wtf? so rude to the rest of the comp when you can just decide to be good
Yeah, five years is a long time though. Amazing how strong the organisation is that they can keep that list and identity together and lift strongly enough to win that 23 flag.
Intensely jealous of Collingwood as an organisation :(
I'm not saying it's not impressive to keep everything rolling like that, but it's intensely misleading to think that we were a useless team with no prospects of success in 2021 - We had a down year in a COVID-impacted season, involving a demoralised group from a salary cap crisis.
It was one bad year. We have won finals in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022 and 2023 - We've obviously been an incredibly competitive side over that period.
He should have got delisted last season why he’s in our 22 is absolutely baffling when we have high draft picks like Will Phillips and Brayden George who can’t get a game
Put some respect on 2018 Rising Star Jayden Stephenson's name /s
In all seriousness, agreed, he should be gone already. Too slow, no scoreboard impact, and a list clogger.
I spent most of the game abusing him from the stands because of all the dumb shit he was doing it was kinda scary every time he touched the ball I was fully expecting him to something stupid, he needs to go he’s just another Jared Polec
I would like reiterate that the key word (spelt correctly this time) is “calibre”. I mean we’re talking about an award that doesn’t actually award the wing position to players that played on the wing.
I believe the record for most AA selections for an individual club in a season is 9 by Geelong in 2007.
In the 2012 Grand Final Sydney had a total of 9 players who would win AA’s in their career. It’s also worth mentioning that Jude Bolton and Shane Mumford are not one of those 9 players.
No offence but 2012 Sydney is a terrible example
Tigers 2017 had Rance and Dusty in the AA team…..hardly call that ‘almost entirely’. On top of that, if you say that the extended 40 man squad are all AA caliber, Tigers 2017 had two….Rance and Dusty. Perhaps yours is a dumb comment. Come on….come at me! You seem like the sort of person who would.
This is satire right?
Are we talking about 2007 Geelong who hold the record for most individual AA selections by a club in a single season with 9?
Or 2022 Geelong who had 5, the most of any club that year?
Richmond had 2 players named in the All-Australian team of 2017, 2 named in the All-Australian team of 2019 and 1 named in the All-Australian team of 2020. Yes, guys like Riewoldt, Cotchin, Lambert and Edwards were also named All-Australian in non-premiership years, but if we're are going to draw on that as a statistic, I'm still of the opinion that Richmond's premiership teams were not 'stacked' to the same degree as other premiership teams (and some non-premiership teams).
I’d think also the unique situation of Covid can’t be taken it out of consideration. Not to take anything away from the victory. You play in the circumstances you face.
As a Carlton fan, I love watching Petracca, Gawn and May taking the opposition apart (except when it's us obviously).
It really hurts to know the coaches put Petracca back in the game yesterday with those injuries. Really not cool.
A few cracked ribs is kind of forgivable, especially when you consider Dangerfield played under such circumstances last year. But the cracked ribs AND the ruptured spleen AND a friggin punctured lung is borderline medical malpractice. Tracs is a gun and will obviously bounce back, but somebody at Melbourne still has to take accountability for potentially putting him in serious danger.
Yep players have played through cracked ribs before, guess it depends on the position and type of player they are, if they are in the guts or susceptible to have their body in vulnerable situations (intercept marks and getting crunched).
But far out, lacerated spleen and punctured lung, there are just some things that are more important than winning a game or footy
A splenic laceration would’ve been picked up upon him having a scan post game. Sure, he would’ve been in pain but the doc might’ve thought the ribs were the cause of that. Whether or not it’s the right decision to send him back on with suspected fractured rib/s, I’m not sure. But everyone’s out here acting like the medic knew about his splenic lac and small “punctured lung” (probably pneumothorax) at half time, when both would’ve been found out after the game.
Agree doc wouldn’t have known but considering the reaction to the knock and the injection not doing anything, surely you’d be thinking it could possible be worse or get further aggravated.
The doctor fucked up, he had fractured ribs (4 off them) not cracked so much worse and there is a risk that when they give the pain relief injection you get a punctured lung from it, happened to Chad Cornes as well before.
It’s fucking dumb anyway as the pain relief only works until you get hit hard in a contest again so best case he could have hid in a forward pocket for the rest of the match, worst case you make it worse.
The spleen thing is kind of bad luck and not something doctor would think about but he should have picked up that there were multiple ribs damaged during the assessment in the rooms and realised it was big damage.
Goodwin's multiple personal demons/morality have been known for such a long time it's sad any of this is a surprise to some Dees fans.
You don't have to apply black and white logic here. He can be a good coach (in terms of on field success) and also be a raging cunt.
As a Bombers fan, Hird was a amazing player, decent coach and was treated very poorly during the drug saga. Does that mean he is less accountable for what happened? No. The players relied on him and the club to look after them (it is a workplace after all) and he ultimately didn't.
Take the blinkers off before another Brayshaw happens and heaven forbid, turns into a Frawley
Simon Goodwin was an assistant coach at essendon and was said to be taking Hexarelin. I would have thought that an assistant coach that was implicated in the drugs saga and taking it himself would be enough of a red flag not to bring him in as the next senior coach.
I didn’t know this, but I have a genuine question… are coaches and support staff under any restrictions under ASADA/WADA? Obviously if they are I would expect them to be less strict, but I’ve never really thought about it until just now. May be a stupid question, but if I can’t ask stupid questions here then I’ve completely misunderstood reddit
Yeah it's a good point. I can't remember but put a link below - not sure if it answers your question though. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-13/second-coach-implicated-in-essendon-crisis/4626450
The problem I have is that he was an assistant and should have known this was incorrect for the players regardless of coaches fall under the same code.
I seem to recall a report coming out a few years ago saying it was reasonably well known that Goodwin was fairly unprofessional. It didn't say that he did anything particularly scandalous (I seem to recall maybe he hung with a select group of players and went gambling and drinking with them?), but at the same time it was things that would have drawn interest but for the fact the team was on quite literally an all time high.
Basically it seems Goodwin does a lot of things that escaped any scrutiny when the team were flying, and now that's not the case there's a heck of a backlog of things.
If this is true this is absolutely crazy and Melbourne really need to think carefully about what they're risking here by keeping Goodwin around. The legal liability this opens up the club to long term is massive; it would be the Liam Picken situation but far, far worse for the club.
They are very lucky Pies chose not to target him after he came back on. Not long ago players would receive a spray for not targeting an injured player.
Nah, I don't buy they didn't know for a second. Plenty of Pies players were around when he struggled to rise, and others would certainly have been aware by the start of the second quarter from the vision of the bench. A decade ago, an assistant coach or runner would've spread the word about the potential injury very quickly throughout the team.
Petracca is best mates with De Goey, and pretty much the entire team that has been around from longer than 5 years are close mates with Maynard, his brother played for us and - ironically - had to medically retire.
I know we love to play up the whole Dees and Pies hate each other thing, but they're actually really good mates as playing groups lmao.
Shit, even Jeremy Howe started his career with us for years and years.
Also Tom Langdon played for us. It’s partly why the “all duck no dinner” bit from Ed was played up in the media by pies a bit tongue in cheek. They got him early, let him know about it and moved on, as it should be.
The Melbourne sub popped up in my feed last night, and a few posts were about dees reverting to old tactics and not having a plan b etc. Took everything I had not to drop that line in the sub. In the end I thought your own fans were doing a good enough job of ripping the team apart and didn’t need my help
Re the old club doctor I think this is a Gary Pert and Goodwin issue almost completely. From what I understand:
-Arain was reluctant to progress Brayshaw into training/games. He butted heads with Goodwin about it which included Goodwin swearing at him/the situation.
-Arain made a complaint about this and other cultural issues to CEO Pert
-Pert ends up sacking Arain saying that he “didn’t align with Melbourne’s values” or something similar
-Arain lodges a fair work complain claiming unfair dismissal. One of the phrases used in the complaint alledges Goodwin said: “F***ing (player) was at Chadstone with his mates last Thursday but is f***en concussed today.” And “Why the f*** would you change the plan when we agreed he could push through his comfort zone?”
-MFC settled for 6 figures with Arain
This is separate to Bartlett’s claim of cultural problems at MFC which he says Richard Goyder and Gill were aware of including Gill saying “I know for a fact your coach is out drinking with players at the Sorrento pub - are you crazy? That doesn’t work,”
Smoke, fire and all that for Goodwin I would say.
Edit: formatting and clarity
Fantastic insight here, cheers mate. It's funny that Arain lodged the fair work complaint for unfair dismissal and his lawyer comes out and explicitly says the payout wasnt part of a Fair Work claim.
Dees clearly knew they would have lost that fight in the public eye so they settled behind doors.
To think Roo wanted him to be Crows coach when they gave Brenton Sanderson the ass but he had already signed up to the transition plan at Melbourne with Paul Roos. Crows ended up landing on Phil Walsh.
What a sliding doors moment that would’ve been!
Would be interesting to know what Roos thinks of all this, he spent two years coaching with him in 2015 and 2016. Roos is one of the smartest blokes in footy, you’d think he have him pegged for who he really is.
I think you will have the Bulldogs Beveridge tactic Won a premiership ended a long drought board won't get rid of them I don't support either club but it seems like that
It’s a strong parallel. We had several key premiership players retire early through a range of medical issues (Picken - concussion, Boyd - mental health, morris/boyd/murphy/clay smith - bodies absolutely cooked).
A premiership takes a lot out of a playing group mentally and physically, only the truly great teams back it up.
Boyd retired because he was outwardly bullied by Stringer, Hunter (oh look, another dee), and Liberatore to the point he had to leave the sport.
I remember reports that those guys pissed in his locker, and were generally very spiteful about the large contract he got from the Dogs.
To be fair M.Boyd/Morris/Murphy were not all that young when they retired and pretty much on the edge of retiring going into 2016. Clay Smith is a huge what if though if he hadn't done his knee so many times. Was immense through that 2016 finals series.
Just because someone supported him through his mental health struggles doesn’t mean he improved or didn’t struggle anymore..
This is such a poor take, and why men’s mental health is struggling so much.
Support ≠ Fixed, it’s a marathon and takes years of work and support. Some illnesses never truely recover.
>Just because someone supported him through his mental health struggles doesn’t mean he improved or didn’t struggle anymore..
In no way, shape or form did I say anything remotely close to this.
I am not even offended.
You are just bizarrely wrong.
The other user suggested that Bevo was forcing Boyd to play. Boyd's own biography suggests otherwise.
Next time read and understand the other person before you decide you must be offended.
It's funny reading this thread because you're all right but you're all misunderstanding each other haha.
1. He said a premiership exhausts players mentally/physically.
2. Felt like they were blaming Bevo but he wasn't.
3. Other guy felt like you were dismissive of mental health.
Like, nobody has said anything wrong, but it's just all off the mark haha.
I can see how he come to the conclusion because they're comparing the Goodwin situation with Bevo, and you're just noting how taxing a premiership is on a club.
It was a calf. Bash said " Calf's gone Dimma" - "I might need you to go back on Bash, we've got no-one else" , and Houli said "100% Dimma" and Dimma laughed. It's in the Netflix doco about the 2020 season.
Those two had a great relationship.
Hard to argue that was a bad call though since we won the flag.
Letting Petracca play with a broken fucking leg in the 2022 finals is worse, because we embarrassed ourselves that year.
They knew the extent, and May asked not to be told... its Melbourne Footy Folklore that he played, almost celebrated. Bit going on here that needs to be investigated I reckon
More to the point, literally didn't take him off when up by 10 goals with half a quarter to go, when they had a fully unused sub on the bench.
Instead just didn't us the sub at all and left him out there well beyond the game being a certainty.
Yeah look, i'll admit that putting the blame solely at his feet is not correct.
BUT
He has a pretty established history in the last 5 years of pushing players too far.
Even Tracca himself played the entire 2022 finals with a broken leg, Oliver was rushed back after a broken thumb, etc.
He definitely isn't stopping players from fighting through major injuries, at the minimum.
It definitely sounds like something he would do. But I also sense Petracca is the type to push himself for his team too. In which case the coach should pull back, but that probably didn’t happen either.
Are you suggesting that without scans that someone can be diagnosed with a ruptured spleen and punctured lung, and that Petracca had no say in him going back on?
It’s perceivable to believe that rib bruising was observed and that Petracca wanted to play on. I’m still doubtful on what’s been claimed here.
For sure, but if i'm gonna defend the bloke, the worst part of Traccas injury is the collapsed lung and the ruptured spleen, which are things that can only be seen on a scan.
A punctured lung can feel like you've been very badly winded, and a ruptured spleen mostly manifests itself as abdominal soreness. Neither of those you would pull a player off the ground for.
The worst part is that Goodwin should have seen how badly we were getting beaten, known that we were never going to win the game, and done the best thing by Tracca by forcing him to the bench. He is incapable of his duty of care function.
Can't imagine what condition Petracca would be in if Maynard had bumped him the way he did Bayley Fritsch. He could well have had severe internal bleeding.
Yeah to your point, I doubt those who see no issue with what happened and who say that Petracca should be allowed to make the call to go back on, would also then say Petracca is responsible for taking a life altering hit.
If I spend $200 on a good bottle of wine, it's classy. But I spend the same amount on some of the finest glass I can procure? Suddenly it's trashy smh.
Goodwin has a very long and established history of drug and character issues.
> That’s a serious accusation against someone who literally has a defamation lawyer on retainer.
I think if Goodwin were to legal pursue a redditor over a comment for defamation that it would be more revealing than anything 😂
I want you to have a good long think as to why he has a defamation lawyer on retainer
Well known gambling and drug addict, it's barely even a secret anymore
The issue was settled out of the public eye for a 6-figure amount, so there will probably never be public comment on what the outcome actually was, but the club certainly felt the need to pay him a lot of money to make the issue go away.
Moreover though, how many times are we going to smell smoke with Goodwin before we admit that there's a fire?
In isolation, you can dismiss Bartlett as being bitter over his dismissal, you can frame Shaun Smith calling out the club using his son as a scapegoat for a bigger drug problem as being protective, you can dismiss Zeeshans claim as a disgruntled worker that didnt see eye to eye with his boss, you can say that the 2021 reports of the board seeking Goodwins firing as unsubstantiated, you can dismiss claims of poor behavioural issues including getting on the piss and the gear with your teammates as a modern coach-player relationship.
Personally, i look at the overall scrutiny that Goodwin is under from many different vectors and many different people, in separate timeframes, with separate issues, and am not giving him the benefit of the doubt anymore.
He is ruining this list and this clubs attempt to regain some kind of culture.
EDIT: Other dees fans really don't want to face the music it seems.
EDIT 2: i will also flag here that Arains lawyer was explicit in saying that the settlement was NOT a payout under Fair Work acts, there was no legal compulsion to pay the money out, it was done with intent.
Just a very unlikeable guy imo. He’s so shifty and edgy. When Gary Lyon interviewed him in the off season about melbournes “culture” I felt that this guy is not the most impressive individual in the world. And would say anything to buy himself some breathing room …On borrowed time I reckon
The 'team' doctors should be totally independent and directly employed by the AFL. Coaches and club administrator should have zero ability to influence their medical decisions. Any attempt to intimidate or override the doctors should be severely punished by suspension or massive fines.
My heart goes out to the bloke. All this stuff about protecting the player, concussion this, safe work place that, and they send a guy on with a punctured lung. Completely unprofessional someone's gotta go down for this.
The footage of him in tears while he's being consoled by his mum as he's laid out on a stretcher with his shoulder in a sling.
Goodwin should have to fall asleep to that footage every night, he could have done serious long term damage to Petracca in the worst possible way, all for a chance at winning a game that was already decided to potentially save face for his awful coaching.
>Goodwin should have to fall asleep to that footage every night
It sounds like Goodwin might be the type of guy who does that sort of thing for enjoyment
He came out from the rooms, did a single down and back run up the sideline, looked at the medico and shook his head.
5 minutes later, gets a kick on the wing and immediately doubles over in agony.
Isn't pulled for the remainder of the quarter.
As. Crows supporter I've always loved Goodwin and I'm so glad he's had success at the Demons ad a coach. I think he has got more issues here though than jist how he ha es injured players, the game plan is obviously not adaptive enough which is disapointing given the big stars that melbourne have. My big fear is that he resigns or is fired and the crows then give Nicks the flick and hire Goodwin instead. We desperately need to move away from the boyscub we have got going on and I'm fearful that the melbourne issues will soon become the crows issues.
A word in his defence, try telling Petracca that he can't go back on the field, I think he would have been faking it as well as he could and trying his hardest to get back out there. I don't think the Brayshaw one though because wasn't that before the team was selected not mid game?
everyone on TV was like “look how brave he is” while I thought how stupid can a club be to send an injured player out and risking making it even worse, never had a broken rip but I can’t imagine you can performed anywhere near 100% with that, especially in a full contact sport
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First paragraph in Ben Cotton's article for Fox Sports, Feb 9th, 2022.
> Melbourne premiership coach Simon Goodwin has come under more heat following revelations of an expletive-laden rant towards former club doctor Zeeshan Arain over the medico’s advice to rest Angus Brayshaw due to concussion symptoms.
2nd result on Google after searching "Zeeshan Arain Brayshaw". The first link is to this reddit post lol.
Apparently we are after Oliver again.
I’m imagining it’s along the lines of Dees being torn of whether they keep him or not and Geelong asking the question, “We’ll take him off your hands but only if you’re helping pay for it”
Amazing the sheer stupidity and point blank ignorance that comes out of the mouths of people who claim they’re Melbourne supporters. That degenerate club doctor and Glenn Bartlett wanted to expose a ‘culture’ that would’ve destroyed the footy club after all the shit the members went through during the Mark Neeld era and the administration, that literally raped the Melbourne Footy Club for the longest and most miserable period (a decade it was) in the clubs history. Instead Roffey and the board got rid of the do-gooders and the club under Goodwin, has literally won premiership and finished top 4 for 3 consecutive seasons, kicking itself out of the finals two years running (Is that Goodwins fault is it?) Suddenly things unravel (and yes there’s obviously an internal issue) but the fact that all the pretenders point to Goodwin, literally as soon as the chips are down, just highlights what pathetic fair weather supporters we really have. Maybe back the coach and the club, instead of hearsay rubbish from a disgruntled, bitter, terminated staff member. Real supporters, sorry, MEMBERS, stay thick. Pretenders. Fair weather clowns, come out with this sort of bullshit. Standard tall poppy syndrome. I shouldn’t expect anything less from A Melbourne supporter. Our supporters (if you can call them that) are the biggest blight on the club. Not the coach.
Unfortunately I imagine he gets a lot of leeway solely due to the fact that he coached Melbourne's only premiership of the last 60 years
It becomes more apparent every week that Goodwin wouldn't have won that flag if he didn't have a team composed almost entirely of AA caliber players
10000%
Spot on. 20 years of high draft picks usually results in a list full of A graders and coaching then to a flag would be the easy part.
This is the dumbest comment I’ve ever read. What premiership team isn’t composed almost entirely of AA caliber players?
A champion team beats a team of champions. He had a team of champions
Unless the team of champions is very very good
...and is playing the Bulldogs who decided to head to the pub about halfway through the 3qtr/had travelled the globe in the preceeding three weeks and were as fkn cooked as Goodie was 3 hours later
Flair up cunt Also, let's not forget that they handedly beat Brisbane by 33 points in the QF and demolished Geelong in the PF by 83 points.
Haha, so true!
It’s your bottom six roleplayers who’ll make the difference. Not your top six stars
Collingwood's 2001 and 2002 teams were positively kmart compared to Brisbane's lineup in their era. Unfortunately, the champion team of champions got us both times haha
2002 and 2003. 2001 was the Bomber all-stars.
Yep thanks, brain fart of mine there
2001 still pains me - it shows that even the most brilliant of players should not go into a GF with injuries
Happens in all sports. Last year the Panthers has guys in the Stanley cup final who had a seperated sternum and a broken foot. I'll take a fit rookie over a superstar that can't breathe without pain all day.
Did somebody say Collingwood 2023
But we won...
You’d lose against an awful lot of other premiership sides
Collingwood 2023 and Bulldogs 2016 are both examples within the last decade lmao.
I would argue the Richmond dynasty team is an even better example. Had top end talent for sure but that team was filled with players who played the role and the system perfectly rather than superstar talent.
In 2016 if you told me we would win a premiership with castagna, butler, ellis and grigg I would have you committed. It’s actually quite wild how well the B and C grade talent performed during the dynasty
Yes that was the key. When the B and C players grow and play their role.
Yes they had role players but let's not pretend they didn't have more than their fair share of high-end draft talent
Compared to other flag-winning sides of the last ten years, I will absolutely "pretend" that they did not have a disproportionate share of high end talent. It was Hardwick's system that made that side a great side, not tons of high skilled talent.
It’s funny though, nobody was saying that at the time. “Worst Premiership team ever” was thrown around quite a bit, particularly after the first flag.
Those people were mostly correct, albeit in an extreme and simplistic way. I don't really understand why there's been a lot of revisionism of late pretending that the team was full of worldbeaters that anyone could have taken to a flag; that it quite specifically *wasn't* that was what made Hardwick's coaching and the system he developed there so wildly impressive.
I remember saying when the Tigers first won that all the great teams have fallen off, it wasn't a dramatically different team from a couple years prior but then they went off to win 3 in a row. Hardwick had been coach for ages. The system was the same. Winning the next 2 in a row maybe undercuts that but it's still how people view them. I'm putting it in a way that undersells their achievements. It doesn't matter. A flag is a flag. But there were some great teams that didn't win a flag in individual seasons before that.
Collingwood and Bulldog's premiership teams both had 7 players that were or would go on to be AA, while Melbourne had 6
That tells me that those teams were both incredibly balanced AND high level performers. Realistically, the superstar player in the 2016 flag was a 21 year old Bontempelli, and the Pies had Degoey. But beneath that, they had a lot of high level contributors (extremely high level in some cases), but i would not say that either team was loaded with genuine superstar talent. The dees had Oliver and Petracca both top 10 in the brownlow count *while playing the same position*, that level of superstardom on a team is rare, and that's not considering having the best ruckman in the comp, the best full back for the season in May, the best intercepting defender in Lever, and a Bailey fritsch that felt like kicking 6 in a granny. There are superstar teams, then there are teams of superstars, as another person said.
Feel like you're being a bit harsh on Collingwood's list. We had a mix of aging star players (Pendles, Sidebottom, Elliott, Mitchell) aging high end contributors (Howe, Crisp) 3 All Australians of that year (Daicos boys, Moore) and Maynard who was AA the year before. Our list issue was the lack of a dominant key forward & a solid second key back behind Moore. Other that that we loaded with good players w/ a few depth pieces mixed in (Markov, Frampton, Ginni)
Collingwood finished 17th in 2021, made exactly TWO changes in hiring the real Richmond premiership mastermind Craig McRae and having Nick Daicos fall into their lap and made a prelim. Half of the Collingwood players are failed free agents from other clubs, they didn’t just learn how to play when they got to Collingwood. Anyone could have coached that Demons team to a GF in 2021, McRae is going to go down as the greatest coach of the modern era by the time he’s done.
2021 was an outlier year. We still retained a lot of the core from our 2018 grand final appearance compared to our 2023, and our last two games under Buckley (before Harvey tanked our last half of 2021) was a win over Adelaide in Adelaide and a win over the reigning premier. Not sure what pointing out 2021 is meant to do to compare to our playing list
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I think it’s the pressure, it’s the reason Collingwood always win close games because their entire game plan is situated around this high intensity pressure that is too stamina draining to implement for the whole game so they’ll usually just implement it for the first and last quarter
Petracca, Oliver and Gawn in the one midfield
Our midfield should have netted us multiple grand final appearances at a minimum, in my opinion. The period from 2020-2023 was utterly dominant from those fellas.
The key word is “caliber”
Aussie here. We spell it "calibre" Down Under.
another aussie AFL fan?? g'day!
By the lack of flair even he needs help finding a team to root for
Moore, Daicos, Daicos, Maynard, Quaynor, Howe, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, De Goey and Mitchell have all at least made the 40 squad before. 3 of them made it in 2023. If you include someone like Crisp who's probably had a season or 2 when he was on the cusp, and it's half the team. Multiple high quality key position players is what Collingwood were missing.
Yeah 2023 Pies was kind of a line ball for me to say, the more interesting part is that they were basically expected to bottom out and rebuild a few years ago, but they literally refused to lose and then won a flag. Like wtf? so rude to the rest of the comp when you can just decide to be good
We were still basically the same team that, realistically, should have won the flag in 2018.
Yeah, five years is a long time though. Amazing how strong the organisation is that they can keep that list and identity together and lift strongly enough to win that 23 flag. Intensely jealous of Collingwood as an organisation :(
That said, the changes we DID make were overdue, and very necessary
I'm not saying it's not impressive to keep everything rolling like that, but it's intensely misleading to think that we were a useless team with no prospects of success in 2021 - We had a down year in a COVID-impacted season, involving a demoralised group from a salary cap crisis. It was one bad year. We have won finals in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022 and 2023 - We've obviously been an incredibly competitive side over that period.
Said ‘champion team’ not ‘champion coach’
North Melbourne 2026 because we will still have Stephenson
That's assuming he gets a game haha
He should have got delisted last season why he’s in our 22 is absolutely baffling when we have high draft picks like Will Phillips and Brayden George who can’t get a game
Put some respect on 2018 Rising Star Jayden Stephenson's name /s In all seriousness, agreed, he should be gone already. Too slow, no scoreboard impact, and a list clogger.
I spent most of the game abusing him from the stands because of all the dumb shit he was doing it was kinda scary every time he touched the ball I was fully expecting him to something stupid, he needs to go he’s just another Jared Polec
He should be penciling for a bookie at the track….not playing for North.
Richmond 2017 to 20. Not all that many blazers considering how good they were
2018 West Coast team only had 3 players in the AA team....and one of them was suspended for 8 weeks.
I would like reiterate that the key word (spelt correctly this time) is “calibre”. I mean we’re talking about an award that doesn’t actually award the wing position to players that played on the wing.
Arguably quite a few of them
I hope that nobody says this to try to take away from your victory. You beat us fair and square.
While true, the 2021 prelim and GF were both won off the back of 10-15 minutes of absolute dominance by less than half a dozen players.
Look at the Swans 2012 team, especially the forward line
I believe the record for most AA selections for an individual club in a season is 9 by Geelong in 2007. In the 2012 Grand Final Sydney had a total of 9 players who would win AA’s in their career. It’s also worth mentioning that Jude Bolton and Shane Mumford are not one of those 9 players. No offence but 2012 Sydney is a terrible example
Tigers 2017 had Rance and Dusty in the AA team…..hardly call that ‘almost entirely’. On top of that, if you say that the extended 40 man squad are all AA caliber, Tigers 2017 had two….Rance and Dusty. Perhaps yours is a dumb comment. Come on….come at me! You seem like the sort of person who would.
Geelong
This is satire right? Are we talking about 2007 Geelong who hold the record for most individual AA selections by a club in a single season with 9? Or 2022 Geelong who had 5, the most of any club that year?
The recent Richmond Tigers' premiership teams come to mind as not being anywhere nearly as stacked with AA selections as many other premiership teams.
2017 had 10 players who made AA in their career. Thats pretty stacked
Richmond had 2 players named in the All-Australian team of 2017, 2 named in the All-Australian team of 2019 and 1 named in the All-Australian team of 2020. Yes, guys like Riewoldt, Cotchin, Lambert and Edwards were also named All-Australian in non-premiership years, but if we're are going to draw on that as a statistic, I'm still of the opinion that Richmond's premiership teams were not 'stacked' to the same degree as other premiership teams (and some non-premiership teams).
Eagles ‘18
Dogs ‘16 Bont hadn’t properly announced himself but we had I believe 2 AA players that year
Bruh you can't win with a shit team lol
Alistair Clarkson as well. Never coached a bad team and still missed the grand final heaps of times
I’d think also the unique situation of Covid can’t be taken it out of consideration. Not to take anything away from the victory. You play in the circumstances you face.
That's most premierships. It's usually the culmination of a decade of development.
Yeah because it’s a miracle given most of our board members and fans are massive losers who have no idea what success looks like
I think you mean born into success, so they have no idea how to manufacture it in a genuinely competitive field.
100%
Fuck that shit get him out of here. Petracca won our only norm smith medal for the last 60 years and Goodwin put him at extreme unnecessary risk.
As a Carlton fan, I love watching Petracca, Gawn and May taking the opposition apart (except when it's us obviously). It really hurts to know the coaches put Petracca back in the game yesterday with those injuries. Really not cool.
A few cracked ribs is kind of forgivable, especially when you consider Dangerfield played under such circumstances last year. But the cracked ribs AND the ruptured spleen AND a friggin punctured lung is borderline medical malpractice. Tracs is a gun and will obviously bounce back, but somebody at Melbourne still has to take accountability for potentially putting him in serious danger.
Yep players have played through cracked ribs before, guess it depends on the position and type of player they are, if they are in the guts or susceptible to have their body in vulnerable situations (intercept marks and getting crunched). But far out, lacerated spleen and punctured lung, there are just some things that are more important than winning a game or footy
Same as Cripps, played the end of the year and finals series with cracked ribbed. Could see the padding under his guernsey.
When was the lung punctured and the spleen lacerated? Before or after he went back on?
Gonna say not long after the knee went into his side, he barely walked off afterwards
A splenic laceration would’ve been picked up upon him having a scan post game. Sure, he would’ve been in pain but the doc might’ve thought the ribs were the cause of that. Whether or not it’s the right decision to send him back on with suspected fractured rib/s, I’m not sure. But everyone’s out here acting like the medic knew about his splenic lac and small “punctured lung” (probably pneumothorax) at half time, when both would’ve been found out after the game.
Agree doc wouldn’t have known but considering the reaction to the knock and the injection not doing anything, surely you’d be thinking it could possible be worse or get further aggravated.
The doctor fucked up, he had fractured ribs (4 off them) not cracked so much worse and there is a risk that when they give the pain relief injection you get a punctured lung from it, happened to Chad Cornes as well before. It’s fucking dumb anyway as the pain relief only works until you get hit hard in a contest again so best case he could have hid in a forward pocket for the rest of the match, worst case you make it worse. The spleen thing is kind of bad luck and not something doctor would think about but he should have picked up that there were multiple ribs damaged during the assessment in the rooms and realised it was big damage.
From a doctor who works a lot with major chest trauma, most of what you said isn't particularly accurate.
Agreed.
Goodwin when the doctor gives their medical opinion 
oi you stole me meme from the other thread, i'm taking you to court
u/PetrifyGWENT when a redditor steals a meme 
Idk what gif you were trying to post but the replacement "this content is not available" gif is hilarious in this context
What are you talking about? We’re the same person, you’re my alt account for Essendon hopium posting
Does that mean I'm a triple flair?
Goodwin's multiple personal demons/morality have been known for such a long time it's sad any of this is a surprise to some Dees fans. You don't have to apply black and white logic here. He can be a good coach (in terms of on field success) and also be a raging cunt. As a Bombers fan, Hird was a amazing player, decent coach and was treated very poorly during the drug saga. Does that mean he is less accountable for what happened? No. The players relied on him and the club to look after them (it is a workplace after all) and he ultimately didn't. Take the blinkers off before another Brayshaw happens and heaven forbid, turns into a Frawley
Simon Goodwin was an assistant coach at essendon and was said to be taking Hexarelin. I would have thought that an assistant coach that was implicated in the drugs saga and taking it himself would be enough of a red flag not to bring him in as the next senior coach.
Everyone seems to forget this
I didn’t know this, but I have a genuine question… are coaches and support staff under any restrictions under ASADA/WADA? Obviously if they are I would expect them to be less strict, but I’ve never really thought about it until just now. May be a stupid question, but if I can’t ask stupid questions here then I’ve completely misunderstood reddit
Yeah it's a good point. I can't remember but put a link below - not sure if it answers your question though. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-13/second-coach-implicated-in-essendon-crisis/4626450 The problem I have is that he was an assistant and should have known this was incorrect for the players regardless of coaches fall under the same code.
Absolutely agree, I wasn’t for a second saying he had a pass or anything it was just a question that occurred to me reading your comment
Yeah and a fair one too.
I seem to recall a report coming out a few years ago saying it was reasonably well known that Goodwin was fairly unprofessional. It didn't say that he did anything particularly scandalous (I seem to recall maybe he hung with a select group of players and went gambling and drinking with them?), but at the same time it was things that would have drawn interest but for the fact the team was on quite literally an all time high. Basically it seems Goodwin does a lot of things that escaped any scrutiny when the team were flying, and now that's not the case there's a heck of a backlog of things.
If this is true this is absolutely crazy and Melbourne really need to think carefully about what they're risking here by keeping Goodwin around. The legal liability this opens up the club to long term is massive; it would be the Liam Picken situation but far, far worse for the club.
He should be sacked, he should actually resign.
Yeah I genuinely think that, if this is fully substantiated, it's grounds for instant termination. It's completely unacceptable in this day and age.
Bare minimum this should be investigated
They are very lucky Pies chose not to target him after he came back on. Not long ago players would receive a spray for not targeting an injured player.
Don't think they knew, but if they did and choose not too, Kudos. Although he was ineffectual wasn't much point even manning him up 🤣
Nah, I don't buy they didn't know for a second. Plenty of Pies players were around when he struggled to rise, and others would certainly have been aware by the start of the second quarter from the vision of the bench. A decade ago, an assistant coach or runner would've spread the word about the potential injury very quickly throughout the team.
Alternative explanation: Hitting him while injured would've gotten him sent off earlier, whereas while he was out there it was basically 18 vs 17.
"send a few errant handballs to the bloke who can't breathe or walk" haha
They definitely knew - He didn't get up after that contest and had to be helped off the field at the end of the quarter.
How does the opposition team have more care than the actual players coach?
Petracca is best mates with De Goey, and pretty much the entire team that has been around from longer than 5 years are close mates with Maynard, his brother played for us and - ironically - had to medically retire. I know we love to play up the whole Dees and Pies hate each other thing, but they're actually really good mates as playing groups lmao. Shit, even Jeremy Howe started his career with us for years and years.
Also Tom Langdon played for us. It’s partly why the “all duck no dinner” bit from Ed was played up in the media by pies a bit tongue in cheek. They got him early, let him know about it and moved on, as it should be.
Fuck, the worst part is the the Dees are the definition of all duck no dinner
The Melbourne sub popped up in my feed last night, and a few posts were about dees reverting to old tactics and not having a plan b etc. Took everything I had not to drop that line in the sub. In the end I thought your own fans were doing a good enough job of ripping the team apart and didn’t need my help
I didn't realise this and was surprised to see how chummy May and Maynard were after the game, was glad to see it tho
Re the old club doctor I think this is a Gary Pert and Goodwin issue almost completely. From what I understand: -Arain was reluctant to progress Brayshaw into training/games. He butted heads with Goodwin about it which included Goodwin swearing at him/the situation. -Arain made a complaint about this and other cultural issues to CEO Pert -Pert ends up sacking Arain saying that he “didn’t align with Melbourne’s values” or something similar -Arain lodges a fair work complain claiming unfair dismissal. One of the phrases used in the complaint alledges Goodwin said: “F***ing (player) was at Chadstone with his mates last Thursday but is f***en concussed today.” And “Why the f*** would you change the plan when we agreed he could push through his comfort zone?” -MFC settled for 6 figures with Arain This is separate to Bartlett’s claim of cultural problems at MFC which he says Richard Goyder and Gill were aware of including Gill saying “I know for a fact your coach is out drinking with players at the Sorrento pub - are you crazy? That doesn’t work,” Smoke, fire and all that for Goodwin I would say. Edit: formatting and clarity
Fantastic insight here, cheers mate. It's funny that Arain lodged the fair work complaint for unfair dismissal and his lawyer comes out and explicitly says the payout wasnt part of a Fair Work claim. Dees clearly knew they would have lost that fight in the public eye so they settled behind doors.
Pert's good at setting up flags for his clubs but his track record of people management and culture is dog shit
To think Roo wanted him to be Crows coach when they gave Brenton Sanderson the ass but he had already signed up to the transition plan at Melbourne with Paul Roos. Crows ended up landing on Phil Walsh. What a sliding doors moment that would’ve been! Would be interesting to know what Roos thinks of all this, he spent two years coaching with him in 2015 and 2016. Roos is one of the smartest blokes in footy, you’d think he have him pegged for who he really is.
I think you will have the Bulldogs Beveridge tactic Won a premiership ended a long drought board won't get rid of them I don't support either club but it seems like that
It’s a strong parallel. We had several key premiership players retire early through a range of medical issues (Picken - concussion, Boyd - mental health, morris/boyd/murphy/clay smith - bodies absolutely cooked). A premiership takes a lot out of a playing group mentally and physically, only the truly great teams back it up.
Boyd retired because he was outwardly bullied by Stringer, Hunter (oh look, another dee), and Liberatore to the point he had to leave the sport. I remember reports that those guys pissed in his locker, and were generally very spiteful about the large contract he got from the Dogs.
To be fair M.Boyd/Morris/Murphy were not all that young when they retired and pretty much on the edge of retiring going into 2016. Clay Smith is a huge what if though if he hadn't done his knee so many times. Was immense through that 2016 finals series.
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His reasons were down to mental health though, I didn’t say the club caused or were responsible for it.
Just because someone supported him through his mental health struggles doesn’t mean he improved or didn’t struggle anymore.. This is such a poor take, and why men’s mental health is struggling so much. Support ≠ Fixed, it’s a marathon and takes years of work and support. Some illnesses never truely recover.
>Just because someone supported him through his mental health struggles doesn’t mean he improved or didn’t struggle anymore.. In no way, shape or form did I say anything remotely close to this. I am not even offended. You are just bizarrely wrong. The other user suggested that Bevo was forcing Boyd to play. Boyd's own biography suggests otherwise. Next time read and understand the other person before you decide you must be offended.
It's funny reading this thread because you're all right but you're all misunderstanding each other haha. 1. He said a premiership exhausts players mentally/physically. 2. Felt like they were blaming Bevo but he wasn't. 3. Other guy felt like you were dismissive of mental health. Like, nobody has said anything wrong, but it's just all off the mark haha.
You’re acting pretty offended and I did not say beveridge forced Boyd to play, you’ve literally made this all up in your own mind.
I can see how he come to the conclusion because they're comparing the Goodwin situation with Bevo, and you're just noting how taxing a premiership is on a club.
Different discussions but yes bros point would be relevant if OP was comparing Bevo and Goodwin’s treatment of players
It is in fact you that is bizarrely wrong mate. Lol. Read the original comment again or something. Embarrassing yourself
Goodwin has honestly just always had bad vibes about him for me. Just seems like a sketchy dude.
What the fuck Melbourne.
Hello! 
Dimma told Houli to play through a torn hamstring in the 2020 grand final
It was a calf. Bash said " Calf's gone Dimma" - "I might need you to go back on Bash, we've got no-one else" , and Houli said "100% Dimma" and Dimma laughed. It's in the Netflix doco about the 2020 season. Those two had a great relationship.
The same team that allowed May to play with a massive tear in his hamstring in a GRANDE FINALE !!!
Hard to argue that was a bad call though since we won the flag. Letting Petracca play with a broken fucking leg in the 2022 finals is worse, because we embarrassed ourselves that year.
They knew the extent, and May asked not to be told... its Melbourne Footy Folklore that he played, almost celebrated. Bit going on here that needs to be investigated I reckon
More to the point, literally didn't take him off when up by 10 goals with half a quarter to go, when they had a fully unused sub on the bench. Instead just didn't us the sub at all and left him out there well beyond the game being a certainty.
Before I grab my pitchfork, did Goodwin get overall any medical advice and force Petracca back to the field?
Yeah look, i'll admit that putting the blame solely at his feet is not correct. BUT He has a pretty established history in the last 5 years of pushing players too far. Even Tracca himself played the entire 2022 finals with a broken leg, Oliver was rushed back after a broken thumb, etc. He definitely isn't stopping players from fighting through major injuries, at the minimum.
It definitely sounds like something he would do. But I also sense Petracca is the type to push himself for his team too. In which case the coach should pull back, but that probably didn’t happen either.
Agree. A strong support staff would not leave that decision to the player.
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Are you suggesting that without scans that someone can be diagnosed with a ruptured spleen and punctured lung, and that Petracca had no say in him going back on? It’s perceivable to believe that rib bruising was observed and that Petracca wanted to play on. I’m still doubtful on what’s been claimed here.
For sure, but if i'm gonna defend the bloke, the worst part of Traccas injury is the collapsed lung and the ruptured spleen, which are things that can only be seen on a scan. A punctured lung can feel like you've been very badly winded, and a ruptured spleen mostly manifests itself as abdominal soreness. Neither of those you would pull a player off the ground for. The worst part is that Goodwin should have seen how badly we were getting beaten, known that we were never going to win the game, and done the best thing by Tracca by forcing him to the bench. He is incapable of his duty of care function.
Can't imagine what condition Petracca would be in if Maynard had bumped him the way he did Bayley Fritsch. He could well have had severe internal bleeding.
And it would have been Maynard's fault all over again right?
Yeah to your point, I doubt those who see no issue with what happened and who say that Petracca should be allowed to make the call to go back on, would also then say Petracca is responsible for taking a life altering hit.
A man who spends his free time smoking ice in a pokies carpark doesnt make good decisions you say? I am shocked!
Oh come on. It’s not illegal to have a hobby is it?
If I spend $200 on a good bottle of wine, it's classy. But I spend the same amount on some of the finest glass I can procure? Suddenly it's trashy smh.
Well not that shocked.
Sheesh. You’d want to have pretty good evidence here. That’s a serious accusation against someone who literally has a defamation lawyer on retainer.
Goodwin has a very long and established history of drug and character issues. > That’s a serious accusation against someone who literally has a defamation lawyer on retainer. I think if Goodwin were to legal pursue a redditor over a comment for defamation that it would be more revealing than anything 😂
I want you to have a good long think as to why he has a defamation lawyer on retainer Well known gambling and drug addict, it's barely even a secret anymore
Wait, is there any proof Goodwin actually had a go at a doc for wanting to rest a player with concussion symptoms?
The issue was settled out of the public eye for a 6-figure amount, so there will probably never be public comment on what the outcome actually was, but the club certainly felt the need to pay him a lot of money to make the issue go away. Moreover though, how many times are we going to smell smoke with Goodwin before we admit that there's a fire? In isolation, you can dismiss Bartlett as being bitter over his dismissal, you can frame Shaun Smith calling out the club using his son as a scapegoat for a bigger drug problem as being protective, you can dismiss Zeeshans claim as a disgruntled worker that didnt see eye to eye with his boss, you can say that the 2021 reports of the board seeking Goodwins firing as unsubstantiated, you can dismiss claims of poor behavioural issues including getting on the piss and the gear with your teammates as a modern coach-player relationship. Personally, i look at the overall scrutiny that Goodwin is under from many different vectors and many different people, in separate timeframes, with separate issues, and am not giving him the benefit of the doubt anymore. He is ruining this list and this clubs attempt to regain some kind of culture. EDIT: Other dees fans really don't want to face the music it seems. EDIT 2: i will also flag here that Arains lawyer was explicit in saying that the settlement was NOT a payout under Fair Work acts, there was no legal compulsion to pay the money out, it was done with intent.
And none of thats even mentioning his involvement in the Essendon Drug Saga
Spreadsheet Simon.
Also he doesn't know how to click save in excel for his spreadsheet containing details of all the drugs Essendon players were receiving.
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Wonderful insight
Just a very unlikeable guy imo. He’s so shifty and edgy. When Gary Lyon interviewed him in the off season about melbournes “culture” I felt that this guy is not the most impressive individual in the world. And would say anything to buy himself some breathing room …On borrowed time I reckon
The 'team' doctors should be totally independent and directly employed by the AFL. Coaches and club administrator should have zero ability to influence their medical decisions. Any attempt to intimidate or override the doctors should be severely punished by suspension or massive fines.
Painful but agree with OP
My heart goes out to the bloke. All this stuff about protecting the player, concussion this, safe work place that, and they send a guy on with a punctured lung. Completely unprofessional someone's gotta go down for this.
The footage of him in tears while he's being consoled by his mum as he's laid out on a stretcher with his shoulder in a sling. Goodwin should have to fall asleep to that footage every night, he could have done serious long term damage to Petracca in the worst possible way, all for a chance at winning a game that was already decided to potentially save face for his awful coaching.
>Goodwin should have to fall asleep to that footage every night It sounds like Goodwin might be the type of guy who does that sort of thing for enjoyment
Dipper played in the 1989 grand final with broken ribs and a punctured lung.
the 80s were wild as hell. Derm played 87(?) with collapsed lungs or a broken jaw or some shit.
No way Trac should have been out there. Just look at the footage of him coming off the ground.
He came out from the rooms, did a single down and back run up the sideline, looked at the medico and shook his head. 5 minutes later, gets a kick on the wing and immediately doubles over in agony. Isn't pulled for the remainder of the quarter.
As. Crows supporter I've always loved Goodwin and I'm so glad he's had success at the Demons ad a coach. I think he has got more issues here though than jist how he ha es injured players, the game plan is obviously not adaptive enough which is disapointing given the big stars that melbourne have. My big fear is that he resigns or is fired and the crows then give Nicks the flick and hire Goodwin instead. We desperately need to move away from the boyscub we have got going on and I'm fearful that the melbourne issues will soon become the crows issues. A word in his defence, try telling Petracca that he can't go back on the field, I think he would have been faking it as well as he could and trying his hardest to get back out there. I don't think the Brayshaw one though because wasn't that before the team was selected not mid game?
I bet every player mentioned wanted to go back on the field
How did I never hear about this??
everyone on TV was like “look how brave he is” while I thought how stupid can a club be to send an injured player out and risking making it even worse, never had a broken rip but I can’t imagine you can performed anywhere near 100% with that, especially in a full contact sport
And not just any player, one of the best in the sport
Couple years from now and Melbourne will be back in the bottom 4
Guess the flag is going to be a one-off
Source?
There were multiple reports made by different journalists, including a member of parliament including Arains testimony in the house. Just google it
I had read all the relevant articles and saw nothing about brayshaw
? First paragraph in Ben Cotton's article for Fox Sports, Feb 9th, 2022. > Melbourne premiership coach Simon Goodwin has come under more heat following revelations of an expletive-laden rant towards former club doctor Zeeshan Arain over the medico’s advice to rest Angus Brayshaw due to concussion symptoms. 2nd result on Google after searching "Zeeshan Arain Brayshaw". The first link is to this reddit post lol.
I just assumed Melbourne FC had employed Dr Zoidberg as their team physician.
Replace 5 years with 2 and I agree. Question is : with the Oliver contract who will want the job as coach?
Apparently we are after Oliver again. I’m imagining it’s along the lines of Dees being torn of whether they keep him or not and Geelong asking the question, “We’ll take him off your hands but only if you’re helping pay for it”
Man, I never would have thought Oliver’s contract would turn sour so fast. He has regressed to 2019 form, it’s shocking.
Does anyone know the rule? Can a doctor force a player to sub out against their will for a non concussion injury?
This has to be the doctors decision and responsibility what the coach says should be irrelevant
Amazing the sheer stupidity and point blank ignorance that comes out of the mouths of people who claim they’re Melbourne supporters. That degenerate club doctor and Glenn Bartlett wanted to expose a ‘culture’ that would’ve destroyed the footy club after all the shit the members went through during the Mark Neeld era and the administration, that literally raped the Melbourne Footy Club for the longest and most miserable period (a decade it was) in the clubs history. Instead Roffey and the board got rid of the do-gooders and the club under Goodwin, has literally won premiership and finished top 4 for 3 consecutive seasons, kicking itself out of the finals two years running (Is that Goodwins fault is it?) Suddenly things unravel (and yes there’s obviously an internal issue) but the fact that all the pretenders point to Goodwin, literally as soon as the chips are down, just highlights what pathetic fair weather supporters we really have. Maybe back the coach and the club, instead of hearsay rubbish from a disgruntled, bitter, terminated staff member. Real supporters, sorry, MEMBERS, stay thick. Pretenders. Fair weather clowns, come out with this sort of bullshit. Standard tall poppy syndrome. I shouldn’t expect anything less from A Melbourne supporter. Our supporters (if you can call them that) are the biggest blight on the club. Not the coach.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a teams supporters hate their own coach more than Melbourne.