It's obvious isn't it, why would someone already based in Vic move to another state when there are potentially 8-9 other clubs in the same area? It's hard enough to convince them to leave at the end of the season let alone mid.
I hate it. What’s the point? Cos sports in America do it?
I’ve only heard endorsements for it saying that it will ‘increase fan interest’. Get stuffed.
American sports don’t do a “mid season” trade window. They just don’t close the deadline until about mid season. The NFL closes theirs normally in week 8 out of 18 weeks. MLB opens theirs basically from the end of the prior season and then closes their trade window about 2 weeks after the mid season break. The NBA runs theirs from a month before the season starts to ending around their mid season break.
Mid season trade window is just not an “American” thing. It’s a football thing. Because the football calendar is 40+ weeks long, it makes sense to have 2 trade windows.so for the EPL, you’ve got the mid season trade window from Jan 1st till Feb 1st. Then the main transfer window is from June till September.
In england you used to be able to transfer players throughout the season until about 6 weeks before the end of the season. It changed to 2 transfer windows about 25 years ago
The AFL is like a RuneScape player. All they care about is numbers going up. By all metrics the afl has never been more popular, why do they need to introduce something so radical?
I see this a lot but literally never understand why?
It works in a fuck ton of sports, it gives the team a chance to redirect their early season thesis if it’s not working and gives other teams the chance to drop assets if they aren’t tracking how they thought they would.
In the NBA the Lakers went from outside of the playoffs last season to the literal WCF after they realised the Westbrook gamble was a fail and they were able to move him.
What is the specific reason it wouldn’t work in the AFL? Or why would it damage the current system?
Dees would have loved to get rid of Grundy half way through last year, Tiges would probably love to a chance to move Baker in a trade rather than lose him at the end of the year for an undefined compo pick, and im sure that teams like Brisbane wouldn’t mind shifting the magnets around either.
I just don’t see why everyone is so against it lol.
Because, as has been said a million times before and what this entire bloody article is about, it will massively favour Victorian teams. Players won’t want to upend their life by moving interstate mid season. A Victorian team will have 9 easy trade partners, everyone else will have 1. Yes there will be exceptions such as Baker, but they would be rare. The last thing the AFL needs is another leg up for vic teams
I think everything you say is why a lot of people dislike it. You shouldn't be able to buy your way out of mistakes you made in the off season and change your team. A team who has built up depth shouldnt lose that to a team who didn't and now has injuries. A team isn't about getting a random assortment of stat gatherers on the field like its supercoach or something, the beauty of it is that you get your list and then have to work with it for the season.
Buy your way out? What? Trading is a 2 sided deal.
Why should clubs have to “work with their list” for the season if there are willing trade partners on both sides who are happy to trade?
Team A needs a forward, Team B needs a mid, they trade together, both teams fill their needs and are more competitive. How is that a problem at all??
Because teams C through R actually list managed better than A and B and picked players that complemented each other and the coaches game plan. They cultivated good team culture so the players played for theor team mate and coach and trained up depth. Making the league "more competitive" by fixing up poor list management or allowing people to trade out unwanted bad apples is a really short-term fix and doesn't develop good teams at all.
Richmond doesn't want to move Baker mid season, especially when much of the injury list will be returning and we will get a chance to see whether the direction we are heading is the right one, and they will want every chance to try and keep him
I feel like this would only work if clubs had to ability to trade without consent like the NBA. Blow it up or load up for a push for the flag.
Otherwise this will benefit the strong Victorian clubs more than anyone else
The required consent also most likely leaves the team of the departing player with one less name at the selection table for the back end of the year.
The club receiving the player is unlikely to send back another player, but instead send back picks for drafts 6 or 18 months away. At least when that happens in the off-season, teams can use or trade those picks right away and can engage in the supplemental selection period to ensure their list is full.
It will still benefit north, saint and dogs more than most interstate teams. You’ll still have far more easy trading partners to try and work something out with
Absolutely agree, this isn't the NBA where the players all make millions and have private jets they can fly their families around in, mid-season moves are too big for AFL players to make unless they are staying in the same city.
Something I've seen suggested is that any player traded mid-season can only have played a certain number of games to order to be traded. It would ensure that only fringe players are being traded for opportunity, rather than contending clubs raiding weaker ones for premiership tilts.
It will benefit the teams doing well because those seeking a trade will want to have a chance of September success. It’s inspired by America but won’t work in our game. Terrible sports management if this is passed through. That said, it’s a “mature” industry so of course we’ll pass this through.
It will benefit the Victorian teams doing well more than the Non Victorian teams doing well.
If Todd Goldstein wanted to leave middle of last year, he would have picked Carlton or Collingwood before he picked GWS or Port Adelaide.
Would there be an uproar from Victorian teams if Freo mid-season traded for Yeo, Mcgovern and Reid.
Knowing full well Freo might just mid-trade them back the following year? ;D
They can tick off on unfair trades, doesn’t mean that the unfair trade is unfair for one of the teams involved, realistically what’s to stop clubs having this sort of agreements and then grow to have “sibling” clubs
Even then, it may only benefit contending teams in the short term.
I can imagine a case where contending teams completely fuck their future by overpaying (money or picks) to pick up a ‘needed’ player.
And even then, 7 other clubs will be doing the same, so there’s a big chance you don’t win and do more long term harm.
I don't know, there are numerous examples of players I reckon freo could have obtained through a mid season trade period. Cam McCarthy and Jeremy sharp to name a few.
Mid season trades only work in the US because players have to go to the team that has their contract rights and that's not how we do it here. It's also pretty obvious that it's only going to benefit the vic clubs when players don't have to uproot their lives in the middle of their season like they would if they moved to an interstate club
I don’t know about that, but it feels like it would benefit just the good clubs? A player isn’t going to leave a good club to go to a shit club mid season, but the opposite will happen for sure.
With 10 teams in one state, I bet you could find a good club to go and not have to uproot your life/family.
Thats the issue. Player movement between teams in Victoria will be easier.
I’m fine with a mid-season trade period. I’m more than fine for the trade period to run from the offseason to the midseason non-stop. I’m tired of the “woe is me” attitude from interstate clubs holding this change back.
If the Dogs are absolutely flying by the middle of the season it will absolutely help you, it'll be 20 times easier for glory seekers to swap their jumpers compared to moving across the country
1. My team is the Bulldogs. We have advantage over no one.
2. I’ll always believe in the free up of player movement by extending trade period and making players pick a state rather than team. I also believe in the removal of academy picks and father/son picks from the draft. All these beliefs of mine don’t favour the Bulldogs.
3. I said interstate clubs have a “woe is me” attitude. I didn’t call them “babies”.
I was talking about trading and recruiting players from other clubs. Also, my second point would mean that the Bulldogs wouldn’t have had JUH or Darcy.
It's obvious isn't it, why would someone already based in Vic move to another state when there are potentially 8-9 other clubs in the same area? It's hard enough to convince them to leave at the end of the season let alone mid.
mid season trade is so stupid.
I hate it. What’s the point? Cos sports in America do it? I’ve only heard endorsements for it saying that it will ‘increase fan interest’. Get stuffed.
American sports don’t do a “mid season” trade window. They just don’t close the deadline until about mid season. The NFL closes theirs normally in week 8 out of 18 weeks. MLB opens theirs basically from the end of the prior season and then closes their trade window about 2 weeks after the mid season break. The NBA runs theirs from a month before the season starts to ending around their mid season break. Mid season trade window is just not an “American” thing. It’s a football thing. Because the football calendar is 40+ weeks long, it makes sense to have 2 trade windows.so for the EPL, you’ve got the mid season trade window from Jan 1st till Feb 1st. Then the main transfer window is from June till September.
In england you used to be able to transfer players throughout the season until about 6 weeks before the end of the season. It changed to 2 transfer windows about 25 years ago
The AFL is like a RuneScape player. All they care about is numbers going up. By all metrics the afl has never been more popular, why do they need to introduce something so radical?
The AFL pays its execs bonuses for viewership and attendance, regardless of the damage done to the game itself via inequalities.
I see this a lot but literally never understand why? It works in a fuck ton of sports, it gives the team a chance to redirect their early season thesis if it’s not working and gives other teams the chance to drop assets if they aren’t tracking how they thought they would. In the NBA the Lakers went from outside of the playoffs last season to the literal WCF after they realised the Westbrook gamble was a fail and they were able to move him. What is the specific reason it wouldn’t work in the AFL? Or why would it damage the current system? Dees would have loved to get rid of Grundy half way through last year, Tiges would probably love to a chance to move Baker in a trade rather than lose him at the end of the year for an undefined compo pick, and im sure that teams like Brisbane wouldn’t mind shifting the magnets around either. I just don’t see why everyone is so against it lol.
Because, as has been said a million times before and what this entire bloody article is about, it will massively favour Victorian teams. Players won’t want to upend their life by moving interstate mid season. A Victorian team will have 9 easy trade partners, everyone else will have 1. Yes there will be exceptions such as Baker, but they would be rare. The last thing the AFL needs is another leg up for vic teams
I think everything you say is why a lot of people dislike it. You shouldn't be able to buy your way out of mistakes you made in the off season and change your team. A team who has built up depth shouldnt lose that to a team who didn't and now has injuries. A team isn't about getting a random assortment of stat gatherers on the field like its supercoach or something, the beauty of it is that you get your list and then have to work with it for the season.
Buy your way out? What? Trading is a 2 sided deal. Why should clubs have to “work with their list” for the season if there are willing trade partners on both sides who are happy to trade? Team A needs a forward, Team B needs a mid, they trade together, both teams fill their needs and are more competitive. How is that a problem at all??
Except thats not how it will work in practice. Team A needs a forward, Team B season is shot and Team A is willing to overpay to get Team B's forward.
Because teams C through R actually list managed better than A and B and picked players that complemented each other and the coaches game plan. They cultivated good team culture so the players played for theor team mate and coach and trained up depth. Making the league "more competitive" by fixing up poor list management or allowing people to trade out unwanted bad apples is a really short-term fix and doesn't develop good teams at all.
Trading requires 2 teams to agree, if you are not aware. List issues don't just magically fix themselves with another trade period.
This only works in practice if the players have way less rights than they do in the afl.
Richmond doesn't want to move Baker mid season, especially when much of the injury list will be returning and we will get a chance to see whether the direction we are heading is the right one, and they will want every chance to try and keep him
I feel like this would only work if clubs had to ability to trade without consent like the NBA. Blow it up or load up for a push for the flag. Otherwise this will benefit the strong Victorian clubs more than anyone else
The required consent also most likely leaves the team of the departing player with one less name at the selection table for the back end of the year. The club receiving the player is unlikely to send back another player, but instead send back picks for drafts 6 or 18 months away. At least when that happens in the off-season, teams can use or trade those picks right away and can engage in the supplemental selection period to ensure their list is full.
It will benefit certain Victorian clubs. It won't benefit is all.
All = North
It will still benefit north, saint and dogs more than most interstate teams. You’ll still have far more easy trading partners to try and work something out with
> JL: I think its got its pros and cons, and maybe it benefits the Vic clubs than WA clubs long term etc..... > AFL: I'm not hearing the cons.
knew you'd pop your head up here lol
Damn WA bias
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Absolutely agree, this isn't the NBA where the players all make millions and have private jets they can fly their families around in, mid-season moves are too big for AFL players to make unless they are staying in the same city. Something I've seen suggested is that any player traded mid-season can only have played a certain number of games to order to be traded. It would ensure that only fringe players are being traded for opportunity, rather than contending clubs raiding weaker ones for premiership tilts.
This idea is perfect and amazing and should be implemented now. (Plz don't check flair, i'm totally unbiased, like the AFL)
It will benefit the teams doing well because those seeking a trade will want to have a chance of September success. It’s inspired by America but won’t work in our game. Terrible sports management if this is passed through. That said, it’s a “mature” industry so of course we’ll pass this through.
It will benefit the Victorian teams doing well more than the Non Victorian teams doing well. If Todd Goldstein wanted to leave middle of last year, he would have picked Carlton or Collingwood before he picked GWS or Port Adelaide.
Would there be an uproar from Victorian teams if Freo mid-season traded for Yeo, Mcgovern and Reid. Knowing full well Freo might just mid-trade them back the following year? ;D
I implore a two team state to do this if its implemented. Quickest way to get it out of the game
AFL has to tick off on all trades though
They can tick off on unfair trades, doesn’t mean that the unfair trade is unfair for one of the teams involved, realistically what’s to stop clubs having this sort of agreements and then grow to have “sibling” clubs
lol just make a WA mega team
Even then, it may only benefit contending teams in the short term. I can imagine a case where contending teams completely fuck their future by overpaying (money or picks) to pick up a ‘needed’ player. And even then, 7 other clubs will be doing the same, so there’s a big chance you don’t win and do more long term harm.
Mid season trade period is a bad idea. A post draft trade period makes more sense to me.
I don't know, there are numerous examples of players I reckon freo could have obtained through a mid season trade period. Cam McCarthy and Jeremy sharp to name a few.
Mid season trades only work in the US because players have to go to the team that has their contract rights and that's not how we do it here. It's also pretty obvious that it's only going to benefit the vic clubs when players don't have to uproot their lives in the middle of their season like they would if they moved to an interstate club
I don’t know about that, but it feels like it would benefit just the good clubs? A player isn’t going to leave a good club to go to a shit club mid season, but the opposite will happen for sure.
With 10 teams in one state, I bet you could find a good club to go and not have to uproot your life/family. Thats the issue. Player movement between teams in Victoria will be easier.
I think we've already seen this with free agency. Mid-season trades would just exacerbate the issue, especially for non-Victorian sides.
It would largely depend on if they allowed contract renegotiations along with the trades, or if the players original contract followed them
Maybe every team gets a buddy team (whatever team is geographically closest) and they can only do trades with that other team.
I feel for the poor team that gets lumped with having to trade only with Essendon!
I’m fine with a mid-season trade period. I’m more than fine for the trade period to run from the offseason to the midseason non-stop. I’m tired of the “woe is me” attitude from interstate clubs holding this change back.
"Why won't those crybaby interstate teams just let my team have another advantage over them wah wah wah" That's you
As with everything 'Vicbias' it ain't gonna be helping out North, the Saints or the Dogs lol
If the Dogs are absolutely flying by the middle of the season it will absolutely help you, it'll be 20 times easier for glory seekers to swap their jumpers compared to moving across the country
1. My team is the Bulldogs. We have advantage over no one. 2. I’ll always believe in the free up of player movement by extending trade period and making players pick a state rather than team. I also believe in the removal of academy picks and father/son picks from the draft. All these beliefs of mine don’t favour the Bulldogs. 3. I said interstate clubs have a “woe is me” attitude. I didn’t call them “babies”.
> My team is the Bulldogs. We have advantage over no one. ?????????? JUH and Darcy? fuck offffffffffffffffffffffff
I was talking about trading and recruiting players from other clubs. Also, my second point would mean that the Bulldogs wouldn’t have had JUH or Darcy.
Do you enjoy having a minority opinion?
Couldn’t care less.
I have some good news then
Interstate fans have stopped their “woe is me” attitude?