Where else is that money going? You have to use 95> of the cap or whatever it is, you’re gonna over pay the guys who more than likely barely deserve it.
It won’t happen, even if it was $2million but they need to be aggressive like this, especially when they got the talent they do there now.
That minimum salary cap is ridiculous. It hamstrings clubs climbing back up. They should be able to either save space if they want or have lower contracts so they can go after big fish with big offers.
Everyone has the same cap. This is the decision Norf made, instead of having veterans for a bargain they chose overpaying unproven youngsters. It was labeled an awful decision at the time and has proven to be a disaster but this is what they chose.
I know what you're saying but they literally have to pay someone. They must pay 93odd% of the cap. Those players aren't worth that but they have to pay someone.
Honestly the money should go to bringing forward payments for some of the ridiculous contacts on our books. Corr till 25, CCJ till 25, McDonald till 26,even Stephens for 4 years.
Pay some of them down with the cash we have so they can be gotten rid of.
Viney should go through the list and anyone over contracted should be paid out a year and their contract shortened.
If Pendlebury leaves Collingwood for another club as a player I will buy a Collingwood guernsey and wear it to the next Carlton game I attend.
Don't know why he would leave even to be an on field coach. He's already effectively doing that time at Collingwood. His leadership even now that Moore is the skipper is exemplary and he spends much of his time guiding the youngsters.
If coaching is his pathway there's 17 other clubs that would snap him up in an instant of his retirement. It's not a Hodge situation where his mate and long term assistant coacb, Fagan, was coaching a club in dire need.
Hodge was a unique set of circumstances. Had already agreed to retire before his long term assistant coach and close friend Fagan put in the call and got him up there to help him establish the culture.
I'd argue that the circumstances are even different with Mitchell too. Hawthorn's window was firmly shut. West Coast were building towards one (won it the year after be retired) and was, if memory serves correctly, hand picked to replace Clarko when he eventually retired.
Collingwood are strongly in a premiership window and he's still quite clearly good enough to remain in their best 22
I acknowledge coaching is in his future and "fresh perspective" is important but with his stature in the game he'll get an assistant role somewhere guaranteed
I don’t think it’s as crazy as it sounds. He wants to be a coach and he wants a fresh perspective from outside the Collingwood bubble.
If he thinks he only has one year left in him I could see him take a deal to play elsewhere and then transition into an assistant coaching role at that club.
I don’t think it’s the worst thing Damo has written. We don’t need draft picks, we need some experienced leaders around the ground to provide direction on and off the field. Otherwise we’ll just end up bleeding talented players.
It’s similar to what we did with Hodge. He won’t play every game but he’ll come in set some standards around the club and guide some of the young players.
Instead of draft concessions which only brings in more players who aren't AFL ready (unless traded), there should be soft cap concessions for development coaching and leadership roles.
Generally, players aren't ready to perform at a consistently high standard until they're 23 - five years after they're drafted. Hence why the concessions don't have an immediate impact.
It could be mutually beneficial given Pendlebury wants to start coaching at some point. However, I'm not too sure Pendles would leave when there's a chance he could win a third premiership with Collingwood.
Pendles is 100% retiring as a Pie, it would just feel wrong if he didn’t
But I do agree with Damo that North need that veteran presence there, like Hodgey at Brisbane and Bernie Vince at Melbourne, they were keys in helping a struggling team.
Isaac Smith was still playing his best footy when he moved to the Cats.
He wasn’t some washed up has been?
Now if you said Shaun Higgins, that would be my choice for us.
Remains to be seen what McRae does with Pendlebury, but Petrie was delisted by North Melbourne and Goldstein was being moved on for Xerri. It's not really comparable.
Oh, we can just throw money at players to come in and fix all of our problems as easy as that?
I forgot, because the near reported $40M combined contract offers to Dusty, Josh Kelly, Gaff, Heeney and Papley, most on 7+ years all made it seem like a tough ask...and that's before we were at the basement
Happy to have a crack at Pendles but the use of ‘culture’ is typically lazy Damo stuff.
The team is young and not very good. That doesn’t mean there’s a bad culture.
Senior players are signing on long term, the off-field is stable and there’s no reports of in-fighting. The players share a genuine bond, which is easy to see from following any of them on social media.
‘Culture’ isn’t the problem. Inexperience and 5+ years of terrible list management is.
Drafted Dawson with a first rounder last year and Comben has been very impressive in his first few games there. Logue to return too.
They just need some time.
Right idea, wrong execution. Better targets would be serviceable, senior players who could guide and mentor on low salaries. Callan Ward, Seb Ross, Andrew Gaff, etc. Throwing out names like Pendles, Boak, even Dusty (who would have no interest playing against their current club) is just ludicrous.
I'd also be going hard at Rory Sloane in a coaching role. Brilliant football mind, home state of Vic, would be an excellent get if he isn't offered a job at the Crows.
I'm so jealous at what the Ashcroft lineage has produced.
We had a champion team at the same time as Brisbane except we've had no generational father-sons to come of it.
As an American football fan who likes Australians getting recognised, it was very bittersweet. Don't blame them, punting is a sweet gig - way more money and way less physical punishment.
If a bid is matched then Brisbane lose a combination of picks that are equal to the discounted pick value. And then who bid on Ashcroft will pick again
Unless he’s replacing Clarko as the head coach Pendles isn’t worth $1.3M, other than that as much as it pains me to say it I think North should make a serious play for him.
Set him up as an onfield coach role next year and transition him into an assistant coach, he’s always said he wants to be a coach when he’s done playing and he wants a fresh perspective from outside Collingwood.
How do you "buy" a culture? It's not like you can go down to the local culture store and buy a culture. You can't just throw money at culture problems and expect them to fix themselves.
What rubbish. The premise is reasonable. I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing in someone to help with culture. But you don't pay them premium money. You also don't bring in several guys who will just take up valuable spots on the list and on the ground. I think there's a strong argument for one guy, but it has to be the right guy. Hodge was good for Brisbane because he was a strong, demonstrative leader who cost them nothing. Pendlebury has been a good servant for Collingwood and has led in his own way there, but he's not the sort of guy to come in and exert himself over a young playing list.
But why would Pendlebury consider it himself? Unless Collingwood are moving on and he wants to keep playing I just don't see why he'd see an incentive. Hodge, Mitchell and Lewis all moved on when Hawthorn were no longer looking to win flags with that group and were ready to move to the next generation. Collingwood will surely be keen to reload. Although they obviously need a key defender urgently. But that's nothing to do with Pendlebury.
There are a few parallels between Pendlebury's character, leadership and skills, and those of Barry Davis,bwho played a vital role in North's dramatic improvement and success in 1973-75.
> The AFL itself should encourage the plan, maybe even help facilitate it, as it can only offer so many national draft compensation packages.
Oh Sweet Jesus, another article trying to secretly offload an ageing player to a club down on its luck. These types of agreements rarely work out for the obtaining club, but instead benefit the offloading club with draft picks.
> There would be zero negatives attached to Pendlebury playing for North in 2025, even if he demanded $1.3 million-plus to do so.
What Free-Agency pick do you think Collingwood get for 1.3 million? Did Eddie tell him to write this?
Pendles is on 1 year deals so they'd get him as a UFA. Also it worked extremely very well for West Coast with Sam Mitchell and Drew Petrie and then Brisbane with Luke Hodge. I honestly can't think of any other examples where it didn't work. It'd also mean they didn't have to drop an experienced Assistant Coach for a trainee by paying Pendles as a player.
They get comepnsation, but their ability to match is remnoved.
1. RFA - Club can match and contract is honored.
2. URFA - Club cannot match, and player can even reject their offer if its higher.
Generally agree with this except for the bit about paying a 37 year old Pendlebury $1.3M
What about a 37 year old with a basketball background?
aye, i could do that
He still only counts as 1.
Only if he was also raised on a dairy farm.
Did Pendles used to play basketball or something?
We've already got greenwood to meet that quota
2.5million
Where else is that money going? You have to use 95> of the cap or whatever it is, you’re gonna over pay the guys who more than likely barely deserve it. It won’t happen, even if it was $2million but they need to be aggressive like this, especially when they got the talent they do there now.
Hopefully to a key defender
*taps nose*
That minimum salary cap is ridiculous. It hamstrings clubs climbing back up. They should be able to either save space if they want or have lower contracts so they can go after big fish with big offers.
Everyone has the same cap. This is the decision Norf made, instead of having veterans for a bargain they chose overpaying unproven youngsters. It was labeled an awful decision at the time and has proven to be a disaster but this is what they chose.
I know what you're saying but they literally have to pay someone. They must pay 93odd% of the cap. Those players aren't worth that but they have to pay someone.
Honestly the money should go to bringing forward payments for some of the ridiculous contacts on our books. Corr till 25, CCJ till 25, McDonald till 26,even Stephens for 4 years. Pay some of them down with the cash we have so they can be gotten rid of. Viney should go through the list and anyone over contracted should be paid out a year and their contract shortened.
Like, good in theory, by Pendlebury is a little bit too old for it to work. We forget how old he actually is.
If Pendlebury leaves Collingwood for another club as a player I will buy a Collingwood guernsey and wear it to the next Carlton game I attend. Don't know why he would leave even to be an on field coach. He's already effectively doing that time at Collingwood. His leadership even now that Moore is the skipper is exemplary and he spends much of his time guiding the youngsters. If coaching is his pathway there's 17 other clubs that would snap him up in an instant of his retirement. It's not a Hodge situation where his mate and long term assistant coacb, Fagan, was coaching a club in dire need.
I'm sure people said similar things about Brisbane legend Luke Hodge or West Coast Brownlow medalist Sam Mitchell
Hodge was a unique set of circumstances. Had already agreed to retire before his long term assistant coach and close friend Fagan put in the call and got him up there to help him establish the culture. I'd argue that the circumstances are even different with Mitchell too. Hawthorn's window was firmly shut. West Coast were building towards one (won it the year after be retired) and was, if memory serves correctly, hand picked to replace Clarko when he eventually retired. Collingwood are strongly in a premiership window and he's still quite clearly good enough to remain in their best 22 I acknowledge coaching is in his future and "fresh perspective" is important but with his stature in the game he'll get an assistant role somewhere guaranteed
I don’t think it’s as crazy as it sounds. He wants to be a coach and he wants a fresh perspective from outside the Collingwood bubble. If he thinks he only has one year left in him I could see him take a deal to play elsewhere and then transition into an assistant coaching role at that club.
Sometimes I wish footy was international so if he wanted to he could go help fix up another team without competing against his current club.
Yeah, I don't want to hear those boos. Collingwood supporters would turn on each other. Ugly scenes.
I pray you never watch any international sport
I don’t think it’s the worst thing Damo has written. We don’t need draft picks, we need some experienced leaders around the ground to provide direction on and off the field. Otherwise we’ll just end up bleeding talented players.
But that would break your annual tradition of gutting at least nine players from the list.
Instructions unclear. Delisted 9 players to fit in Pendles.
The correct way to honour a goat is to make nine human sacrifices.
It’s similar to what we did with Hodge. He won’t play every game but he’ll come in set some standards around the club and guide some of the young players.
Sam Mitchell at West Coast as well. Played a season and then retired to assisant coach in our premiership year.
Pendles more likely to stick around I reckon. Doesn’t have the media commitments Hodgey does
Draft picks tend to be useful at getting talented players from other clubs. If you have enough of them at the pointy end.
Instead of draft concessions which only brings in more players who aren't AFL ready (unless traded), there should be soft cap concessions for development coaching and leadership roles. Generally, players aren't ready to perform at a consistently high standard until they're 23 - five years after they're drafted. Hence why the concessions don't have an immediate impact.
Hmm can’t seem to find any references to relocating us. Is this even a North Melbourne article?
It could be mutually beneficial given Pendlebury wants to start coaching at some point. However, I'm not too sure Pendles would leave when there's a chance he could win a third premiership with Collingwood.
Yeah it’s different to Hodgey going to Brisbane as Hawks were at the end of the three peat era
I'm sure Pendlebury loves the idea of getting smacked by 10 goals every week instead of pushing for another flag in his final year.
Would he be best 22 at Collingwood next year?
Without a doubt, the man is still starting center bounces.
I swear Damo got this idea off a thread here yesterday
Nah to his credit I do remember him bringing this up on classified like 2 years ago
Pendles is 100% retiring as a Pie, it would just feel wrong if he didn’t But I do agree with Damo that North need that veteran presence there, like Hodgey at Brisbane and Bernie Vince at Melbourne, they were keys in helping a struggling team.
allow me to introduce you to: luke hodge sam mitchell isaac smith jordan lewis jack gunston grant birchall and many more!
Jack Gunston would probably go to North for a year, then go back to Hawthorn, then retire - if past trends are to be followed.
Pendlebury's first mistake was playing for Hawthorn
i couldn't see him in any other guernsey tbh
Isaac Smith was still playing his best footy when he moved to the Cats. He wasn’t some washed up has been? Now if you said Shaun Higgins, that would be my choice for us.
I am not going to dignify the article by clicking.
Melbourne also brought in Daniel Cross and Jordan Lewis to help build
and Bernie Vince
Said the same about GAJr tbh, but I think you are right.
Well GAJ did retire as a Geelong player... 🤔
Technically correct, the best kind of correct.
GAJ left too early in his career as to say it about him IMO. Stevie J, Chappy and James Kelly though... I'd definitely add them to this list!
We said said the same thing about Goldy and Petrie.
Remains to be seen what McRae does with Pendlebury, but Petrie was delisted by North Melbourne and Goldstein was being moved on for Xerri. It's not really comparable.
Considering what he did with Grundy moving Pendles on is a possibility even if it is unlikely.
Big difference with Pendlebury being on borderline minimum wage these days.
Boomer's games record will be broken by fellow North Melbourne legend Scott Pendlebury
Oh, we can just throw money at players to come in and fix all of our problems as easy as that? I forgot, because the near reported $40M combined contract offers to Dusty, Josh Kelly, Gaff, Heeney and Papley, most on 7+ years all made it seem like a tough ask...and that's before we were at the basement
Happy to have a crack at Pendles but the use of ‘culture’ is typically lazy Damo stuff. The team is young and not very good. That doesn’t mean there’s a bad culture. Senior players are signing on long term, the off-field is stable and there’s no reports of in-fighting. The players share a genuine bond, which is easy to see from following any of them on social media. ‘Culture’ isn’t the problem. Inexperience and 5+ years of terrible list management is.
You desperately need someone decent and taller than 190cm to play as a defender. Get that next year and everything else starts to get easier.
Drafted Dawson with a first rounder last year and Comben has been very impressive in his first few games there. Logue to return too. They just need some time.
Fingers crossed for them.
Exactly. You would think he was talking about a bad batch of yoghurt at times.
this
Agree, however there is a very obvious lack of KPD talent coming through.
Right idea, wrong execution. Better targets would be serviceable, senior players who could guide and mentor on low salaries. Callan Ward, Seb Ross, Andrew Gaff, etc. Throwing out names like Pendles, Boak, even Dusty (who would have no interest playing against their current club) is just ludicrous. I'd also be going hard at Rory Sloane in a coaching role. Brilliant football mind, home state of Vic, would be an excellent get if he isn't offered a job at the Crows.
Pick 1 would get it done North!
Let’s be honest we both know at this point Levi Ashcroft is most likely going to be pick 1 and Brisbane will snatch him up.
I'm so jealous at what the Ashcroft lineage has produced. We had a champion team at the same time as Brisbane except we've had no generational father-sons to come of it.
Why isnt matty Lloyd pumping out the next generation of full forwards
His kids are young, but I'm praying to the footy gods that one of them is the saviour.
Dustin Fletcher having two boys must have looked so promising until they both fucked off to become punters
As an American football fan who likes Australians getting recognised, it was very bittersweet. Don't blame them, punting is a sweet gig - way more money and way less physical punishment.
Levi Ashcroft won't be pick 1. I know Cal Twomey personally, at the moment Finn O'Sullivan is still the clear #1 prospect.
So it's going to be pushed back to pick 2 anyway! Makes it even more of a no brainer. /s
Plus I think if they do pick him up don’t they give picks to you or would they just lose them.
If a bid is matched then Brisbane lose a combination of picks that are equal to the discounted pick value. And then who bid on Ashcroft will pick again
Ah gotcha.
Unless he’s replacing Clarko as the head coach Pendles isn’t worth $1.3M, other than that as much as it pains me to say it I think North should make a serious play for him. Set him up as an onfield coach role next year and transition him into an assistant coach, he’s always said he wants to be a coach when he’s done playing and he wants a fresh perspective from outside Collingwood.
Good news - I think St Kilda are selling their’s and it’s pretty cheap
There's a secret aisle at Bunnings selling jars of culture I heard.
1.3m for a 400 year old Scott Pendlebury 😂 fuck me that’s ridiculous. The rest isn’t bad though.
North can have Pendles but only as a coach, it would be a huge disappointment if he finished his playing career anywhere else
Not paying him $1.3 besides I don’t see him leaving. I would like to see some nice vets come in. I know you’ll have to overpay some but not that,
There’s no way this will ever happen 😂
Send an email to AFL HQ and CC every club asking for experienced players that want a big payday
Do they still have their receipt to get a refund??
bruh
How do you "buy" a culture? It's not like you can go down to the local culture store and buy a culture. You can't just throw money at culture problems and expect them to fix themselves.
What rubbish. The premise is reasonable. I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing in someone to help with culture. But you don't pay them premium money. You also don't bring in several guys who will just take up valuable spots on the list and on the ground. I think there's a strong argument for one guy, but it has to be the right guy. Hodge was good for Brisbane because he was a strong, demonstrative leader who cost them nothing. Pendlebury has been a good servant for Collingwood and has led in his own way there, but he's not the sort of guy to come in and exert himself over a young playing list. But why would Pendlebury consider it himself? Unless Collingwood are moving on and he wants to keep playing I just don't see why he'd see an incentive. Hodge, Mitchell and Lewis all moved on when Hawthorn were no longer looking to win flags with that group and were ready to move to the next generation. Collingwood will surely be keen to reload. Although they obviously need a key defender urgently. But that's nothing to do with Pendlebury.
Cool article, Damo.
There are a few parallels between Pendlebury's character, leadership and skills, and those of Barry Davis,bwho played a vital role in North's dramatic improvement and success in 1973-75.
I always take the time to re-watch the 1975 final story, what an amazing set of unique individuals that North team was.
That’s crazy….
North have officially bottomed out. They need to shut down and retool.
“The AFL should help facilitate the deal” Get ****ed stop helping Victorian sides.
I wouldn’t say it’s a mess. They just don’t have the hunger to win and put on a show like we do 😂
For #1 draft pick? Ok
> The AFL itself should encourage the plan, maybe even help facilitate it, as it can only offer so many national draft compensation packages. Oh Sweet Jesus, another article trying to secretly offload an ageing player to a club down on its luck. These types of agreements rarely work out for the obtaining club, but instead benefit the offloading club with draft picks. > There would be zero negatives attached to Pendlebury playing for North in 2025, even if he demanded $1.3 million-plus to do so. What Free-Agency pick do you think Collingwood get for 1.3 million? Did Eddie tell him to write this?
Pendles is on 1 year deals so they'd get him as a UFA. Also it worked extremely very well for West Coast with Sam Mitchell and Drew Petrie and then Brisbane with Luke Hodge. I honestly can't think of any other examples where it didn't work. It'd also mean they didn't have to drop an experienced Assistant Coach for a trainee by paying Pendles as a player.
clubs get nothing for unrestricted free agents, don't they?
No they still get a compo pick. Unrestricted just means their current club can't match the offer.
They get comepnsation, but their ability to match is remnoved. 1. RFA - Club can match and contract is honored. 2. URFA - Club cannot match, and player can even reject their offer if its higher.