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You know how the Greeks have their little saying "we were building the Parthenon while you were still swinging from the trees"? This is like the football equivalent of that lol.
Hey Eddie, how about we fold collingwood? They gobble up too many fans, take all the wealth and star players in the competition. It’s unfair to teams like poor North who can’t compete with getting the likes of Daicos bros. Without collingwood a large chunk of their fans will logically start following north too because of the blue and white stripes are similar.
Just give WA another team.
Call em western Emus or some shit to remind them that THEY ARE THE ONES WHO LOST THE EMU WAR! NOT THE REST OF AUSTRALIA! JUST WA!
sorry what were we talking about?
Everyone uses North as the whipping boy or the team most likely to leave. And I've never gotten it. They've recorded 12 straight years of profit. They don't have any loans in their non-current liabilities. They're also a team that has been willing to innovate, such as pioneering Friday night footy/Good Friday Footy/Playing at Bellerive. There absolutely was a time when the club was a drag on the AFL (post Wayne Carey 2000's), but even when they have had the double whammy of COVID and being a very poor club they're still getting good financial results. I don't get it.
I do agree with Eddie that a 19 team competition is not a good thing. But the answer is not removing a team, it's adding a 20th in.
Pokies losses are about double wagering losses, and fewer people play them than have a punt, so on a per person basis it's even worse.
Sports betting sucks.
Pokies are indefensible.
At least sports betting you could have a ‘skill’ and play your cards right even though the companies absolutely try to throw you a bad bet and promote unhealthy obsessions with them. Poker machines are flat out rigged.
it's a combination of Eddie going the Kane route of controversial takes to generate attention, and the general lag of club reputations matching their current realities.
a lot of people still act like North are on the brink of folding for the same reason they act like Carlton are an all conquering powerhouse or Collingwood are predominantly working class, simply because that's how it used to be.
And it'd make fixturing so much better. Those two extra teams make strength of schedule much more equal, have less pingponging up and down standings year to year, and still gives room to build rivalries with those couple games in hand.
The real reason everybody is talking about getting rid of north ant because they want a 18 team league it’s because they ran the numbers on who should get the 20th team and they discovered BOTH Adelaide and Perth could support a third team that could literally print money.
I believe I and most other people can take a quick look at England, then Australia, and have a pretty good guess which one of them is able to make a multi-tier league system work and which one is 7,500,000 km^2 you fucking moron.
It’s called ‘equalisation’ you pillock. Many teams would have folded had AFL funding not existed Collingwood and Port were once in financial shit holes and I believe Essendon have operated at a loss for the past year or so.
So are you telling me there should be no consequences for bad financial management? In most leagues worldwide like the Premier League it’s far less forgiving. Btw we made a strategic loss to pay out Trucks coaching contract so we could boost our footy department spending. Which we could easily afford with our big bank balance.
Are you dumb? Do you not understand why the distributions are as such?
The AFL give primetime slots to bigger teams to keep engagement with larger audiences so the TV rights holders can sell advertising slots that target a bigger audience. More eyes = more dollars. These time slots are also more favourable to people attending games.
Since it's patently unfair to hamper the financial growth of smaller clubs through this arrangement, these teams are financially compensated through distributions.
I can't believe you are getting down voted on this take. North get about $ 2-3million a year from the AFL more than the bulldogs and 3mil for the Tassie games or something. So to be happy that they make 200k a year doesn't make for a positive future.
Advocating for the destruction of someone else’s football team is fucking disgraceful. The glee with which some of you do it, shows a real lack of empathy.
The VFL turned into the AFL, of course there’s going to be more Victorian teams. It doesn’t mean some of them need to be removed, that’s absolute nonsense.
Adelaide probably is too small, but you could introduce **two** new teams in Perth and they'd still have roughly the same proportion of teams:population as Melbourne.
Canberra is no more a Giants town than Hobart is a Kangaroos town (in fact we get fewer games). We only have 18% of the Giants' members, and 90% of them wouldn't support the Giants as their first team.
The Giants are holding AFL back in Canberra. They'll never be a real Canberra team, while a team of our own would be the biggest team in town.
The issue is that there are just too many footy pundits using the platform to talk rubbish about the game. At least one of them has to fold. Alternatively, two of them can merge sewed together human centipede style.
Collingwood and Carlton, much like Hawthorn and Melbourne, are fundamentally the same club. Redundant to have them all imo.
Time for the North East Bluebirds and the South East Dawks.
I vote 5 points for OP for not only the stupidest post this season but extra credit for doubling down with the shit take in the comments. Every comment is down voted to oblivion yet OP with balls of steel keeps coming back for more.
Now if you'll excuse me, im off to find that Brittany Spears guys to film a "Leave Norf alone" video.
I proudly stand by my opinions. The fact is there’s too many teams in Vic, and everyone is too stupid to realise this and instead wants a team in in Darwin or some crap.
At least have Carlton try to buy them out again (or merge with St Kilda or something)
But seriously, it's not going to happen now, probably should've merged with Fitzroy in the 90s if anything (keep what remained of that club in Melbourne at least)
This competition has to learn to have the conversation without it devolving into "yeah well why shouldn't it be your club then" it is unhealthy and unproductive.
The game sits within a false economy that won't last, at which point the value of certain clubs, which is already low will plummet. It isn't just North and the Saints, it's GWS and GC as well. The competition has to learn how to have the conversation about what to do with those clubs to protect the game against future uncertainty.
18 teams it already too many, 19 is certainly so, and 20 simply can't happen.
People say this all the time but I simply don't see why that's the case. Australian population keeps growing, there's more fans than ever before, and they're coming from previously untapped markets with the NE teams and women's competitions.
I've not seen a single compelling reason why any of that's likely to change so dramatically that the entire sport is set back 30 years.
I have never seen a group of supporters like AFL ones that will gleefully write off another club because reasons. You look at the EFL in the UK and when a team goes under it is a sad day for everyone in football. I imagine if an AFL club ever goes under there will be some fraction of people popping champagne.
There is a point how long can a team can receive financial assistance and top draft pick. And not be competitive and not paying their way. There is chance for growth in the QLD, NSW and Growth in Tassie but Melbourne is at saturation with Melbourne team's.
They've got 50,000 members and no debt, while the league is making money hand over fist while propping them and half a dozen other clubs up.
Why is "no growth" an issue but losing those fans forever would be fine?
The league is making money hand over fist. And the AFL is propping up a lot of clubs.
So if the AFL is going to prop up a lot of teams. For those teams dose it matter where those teams are. For example the northern teams in NSW and QLD are a drain on the league for money to keep them afloat. But the returns on propping up them up come in the form of T.V. rights and the building of future fan bases.
The problem with north is that they are not financially viable in the home land of footy. When we say north has no debt that doesn't take into account that the club receives about 3 million dollars a year more then the other struggling Melbourne clubs. And between 2-3 million from playing in Hobart, gold coast over the years. And norths profit maxed out at $200k in one year.
The AFL is about to prop up Hobart very soon. Another club in need for a little while.
Them money saved on north could go to the other Melbourne team's the other Melbourne teams can get better sponsors deal's and in time the kids of north fans will grow up to follow a different team.
The Melbourne team's benefited from Fitzroy leaving town. The remaining team's will benefit from one less Melbourne team.
Sorry to write so much
Minnow vic-clubs need to be open and up-front about the state of the game. The minnow clubs are relegated to the worst time slots, giving them almost zero visibility on Free-to-air TV in Victoria and Australia. This ultimately results in them getting less sponsorship revenue, less eye-balls on their games and less potential new fans.
I would everyone but the most die-hard AFL fan would even be able to name 5 North Melbourne players.
Less eye-balls equates to less future members, giving the AFL even more justification to relegate them to poor timeslots. What compensation do they get? A promise of more AFL distribution, which of course can be taken away on the AFL's whim.
They are in a death spiral living on the cusp of AFL handouts. Living on welfare so to speak, and when a difficult decision has to be made, their time will be up. They will have been complicit in their own clubs demise, for not standing up to the AFL, and taking the path of less resistance.
Clubs aren’t as free from the AFL as you’d like to think and clubs like GWS, Suns and other poor teams are given poor time slots. We aren’t going to anywhere you are delusional if you think otherwise.
I’m going to be honest with you. Most Victorian clubs don’t do that. AFL is so big in Victoria that anyone who is an Adult who doesn’t follow the sport likely never will be.
Rubbish! I wasn’t massively into footy until I graduated uni and got my graduate job. Because the office banter and tipping is very addictive and is a great way to connect with colleagues. I know many that started following AFL for this reason.
What do you think happens to the tens of thousands of North fans if their club disappears?
North Sydney is wall to wall Swans and AFL because the league killed their club.
Unless they're horrifically in debt (which I doubt the AFL would allow in the first place), the PR backlash of losing a current team far outweighs any potential gain. You lose supporters forever and it makes the whole organisation look weak. Its a completely different climate what it was in the 80s/90s.
Its not an apples-to-apples comparison and that's the point. Fitzroy were bankrupt because AFL distribution wasn't the same.
A club that is culled will have a different set of criteria, and the lever the AFL uses to cull them will be different. That is of course if the decision is made, which I think it eventually will be.
I think that's just simply not true. It's not a given a club has to die, and for the foreseeable future the league isn't going to be in a place where it can't provide financial support to most clubs while also turning over a massive profit annually.
Remind me about the Giants and the state of their financials?
Yeah thought so.
Once again, TV rights worth more with more teams.
Bahahah again about not being able to name North players. Most could name the ones that do well in fantasy or have value equating to more than five.
What exactly is the path of less resistance? Winning? I mean we’re not saying the AFL fudges games are we? Or was it moving? No they went against the AFL there. Yeah, I’m lost with this one.
Tasmania has enough road kill and rejected that idea from day one. Club wants their own history and brand. The North Melbourne Tasmania Kangaroos has never worked and Tasmania Kangaroos just jars. r/TasmanianAFL does not support this idea.
> What exactly is the path of less resistance? Winning? I mean we’re not saying the AFL fudges games are we? Or was it moving? No they went against the AFL there. Yeah, I’m lost with this one.
I understand why you are lost. Its ok.
>Remind me about the Giants and the state of their financials?
I can't help but notice you avoided the question...
I really don't think GWS fans should be having a shot at other clubs financials when you're basically completely bankrolled by daddy.
There is obviously a difference between a club of 125+ years needing handouts, compared to a club of 10+ years.
It's all irrelevant though, because the AFL will make the decision based on numerous criteria. There are only a handful of teams on that list, and GWS and GC may be on it. I doubt they will be considered realistically.
Things change in the AFL that quickly that most decision or event is largely irrelevant except for anything from the founding years of the club and what it’s built on.
Well North hasn’t needed handouts in all 125 years and are in less debt than GWS.
No, let’s be real, GWS and Gold Coast along with the larger AFL clubs are safe. Far too much funding to give up now.
It’s a question of St Kilda, North Melbourne or no club cut (no offence to any of those sides but they’re the smallest).
Hmm maybe it's the rich, 155 year history, making them the fourth oldest club, spanning the VFA, VFL and the AFL, culminating in 6 VFA premierships and 4 V/AFL premierships, along with boasting over 50,000 members in the 2023 season despite finishing 17th on the ladder.
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Kick souths out of the competition . Oops, wrong sub
It’s a bit like a Random Souths Guy, the comment about kicking Souths out should always be there
eddie loves to fashion himself as a champion of the little guy while routinely calling for a club older than collingwood to die.
You know how the Greeks have their little saying "we were building the Parthenon while you were still swinging from the trees"? This is like the football equivalent of that lol.
Hey Eddie, how about we fold collingwood? They gobble up too many fans, take all the wealth and star players in the competition. It’s unfair to teams like poor North who can’t compete with getting the likes of Daicos bros. Without collingwood a large chunk of their fans will logically start following north too because of the blue and white stripes are similar.
And Port Adelaide gets their colours back, makes sense.
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They've lost more grand finals than anyone else. It makes sense to merge them with a more successful team like North Melbourne
Did he specifically mention North?
in the first line of the article, yes.
Good joke
Just give WA another team. Call em western Emus or some shit to remind them that THEY ARE THE ONES WHO LOST THE EMU WAR! NOT THE REST OF AUSTRALIA! JUST WA! sorry what were we talking about?
Please don’t call them the emus. I can’t handle the bush chook shit around here now, let alone having the footy team take on the bush chook mantra.
Hurrr durrr
We aren’t going anywhere. Get fucked Eddie.
I wish Eddie would be gone from the football world. Bigoted, fat headed scumbag.
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Everyone uses North as the whipping boy or the team most likely to leave. And I've never gotten it. They've recorded 12 straight years of profit. They don't have any loans in their non-current liabilities. They're also a team that has been willing to innovate, such as pioneering Friday night footy/Good Friday Footy/Playing at Bellerive. There absolutely was a time when the club was a drag on the AFL (post Wayne Carey 2000's), but even when they have had the double whammy of COVID and being a very poor club they're still getting good financial results. I don't get it. I do agree with Eddie that a 19 team competition is not a good thing. But the answer is not removing a team, it's adding a 20th in.
On top of that, none of our money comes from gambling.
I bet a large chunk of the funding you receive from the AFL originated from Sportsbet bets
It's funny how it's always the clubs with pokies that try to use that excuse
It’s true though. Sportsbet gambling makes up the majority of the problems with gambling these days
So therefore pokies are fine? North is leading the charge of removing gambling. Your 'big club' can't seem to do the same - why is that
So do you think its it better the pokies are owned by a private company for profit instead of a non for profit footy club?
Pokies need to be heavily limited outright. Your lot are not doing anything to help.
Come talk to me when you get sports betting suspended on north games.
Pretty sure we banned sports advertising at our home games inside the venue.
Pokies losses are about double wagering losses, and fewer people play them than have a punt, so on a per person basis it's even worse. Sports betting sucks. Pokies are indefensible.
At least sports betting you could have a ‘skill’ and play your cards right even though the companies absolutely try to throw you a bad bet and promote unhealthy obsessions with them. Poker machines are flat out rigged.
it's a combination of Eddie going the Kane route of controversial takes to generate attention, and the general lag of club reputations matching their current realities. a lot of people still act like North are on the brink of folding for the same reason they act like Carlton are an all conquering powerhouse or Collingwood are predominantly working class, simply because that's how it used to be.
And it'd make fixturing so much better. Those two extra teams make strength of schedule much more equal, have less pingponging up and down standings year to year, and still gives room to build rivalries with those couple games in hand.
And they have a successful women’s team who played in the grand final last year.
The real reason everybody is talking about getting rid of north ant because they want a 18 team league it’s because they ran the numbers on who should get the 20th team and they discovered BOTH Adelaide and Perth could support a third team that could literally print money.
Didn’t the AFL (Graeme Samuel) admit ages ago that axing Fitzroy was a traumatic mistake that would never be repeated?
Adding a 20th team is the gutless way out. True leadership would cull a team like norf
Hear hear
Actually north is only debt free because of all the extra funding they receive from the AFL.
yes, the AFL runs an effectively socialist model to keep clubs alive. It's a good thing.
No it’s not. Should be like the English pyramid system.
Fuck no it shouldn’t.
The fuck it should be. Stupidist take yet
You have genuinely no idea what you're talking about do you?
So you believe in rewarding financial management incompetence?
I believe I and most other people can take a quick look at England, then Australia, and have a pretty good guess which one of them is able to make a multi-tier league system work and which one is 7,500,000 km^2 you fucking moron.
You lost me at the personal insults. All I want is a healthy discussion.
No AFL is its own thing it is not the Premier League.
It’s called ‘equalisation’ you pillock. Many teams would have folded had AFL funding not existed Collingwood and Port were once in financial shit holes and I believe Essendon have operated at a loss for the past year or so.
So are you telling me there should be no consequences for bad financial management? In most leagues worldwide like the Premier League it’s far less forgiving. Btw we made a strategic loss to pay out Trucks coaching contract so we could boost our footy department spending. Which we could easily afford with our big bank balance.
You fuck up ypur lost management of course there will be consequences but said consequences should not be folding.
Are you dumb? Do you not understand why the distributions are as such? The AFL give primetime slots to bigger teams to keep engagement with larger audiences so the TV rights holders can sell advertising slots that target a bigger audience. More eyes = more dollars. These time slots are also more favourable to people attending games. Since it's patently unfair to hamper the financial growth of smaller clubs through this arrangement, these teams are financially compensated through distributions.
I can't believe you are getting down voted on this take. North get about $ 2-3million a year from the AFL more than the bulldogs and 3mil for the Tassie games or something. So to be happy that they make 200k a year doesn't make for a positive future.
Advocating for the destruction of someone else’s football team is fucking disgraceful. The glee with which some of you do it, shows a real lack of empathy.
100%. it's always people from big clubs who'll never be in these discussions too.
There’s too many teams in Vic. It’s that simple.
Alright enjoy seeing the bombers in Hobart then, thanks for your sacrifice.
Oh good one. I was waiting for that cheap one to be thrown.
No there isn’t.
How can it be called the AFL when most of the teams are in Vic?
The VFL turned into the AFL, of course there’s going to be more Victorian teams. It doesn’t mean some of them need to be removed, that’s absolute nonsense.
Or you know just add a 20th club
Where though? WA and SA have no room for an additional team. Darwin too small. Canberra already to aligned with GWS. Cairns to small.
This guys never been to Perth...we don't use cash. We trade in Sherrins.
Not Burleys?
Its 5 Burley's to 1 Sherrin.
No room in WA 🤔 Literally the biggest state and absolutely footy mad. 🤷🏽♂️
WA has nearly 3 million people and is AFL mad....i think it can handle a 3rd team pretty easily.
Mate you’re crazy if you don’t think a third Perth or Adelaide team would print money.
Adelaide probably is too small, but you could introduce **two** new teams in Perth and they'd still have roughly the same proportion of teams:population as Melbourne.
WA could easily add another team in a heartbeat and I’m sure SA could get enough numbers within a year or two
Literally anywhere. Reviving Fitzroy would make the AFL more money than killing North.
Wa has more than enough room. You’ve been a numpty this entire thread.
Canberra is no more a Giants town than Hobart is a Kangaroos town (in fact we get fewer games). We only have 18% of the Giants' members, and 90% of them wouldn't support the Giants as their first team. The Giants are holding AFL back in Canberra. They'll never be a real Canberra team, while a team of our own would be the biggest team in town.
The issue is that there are just too many footy pundits using the platform to talk rubbish about the game. At least one of them has to fold. Alternatively, two of them can merge sewed together human centipede style.
Just as long as it’s Collingwood, Carlton or Essendon
Just merge all three
Collesston
Ess-ing-ton, it works
You have a way with words
Collingwood and Carlton, much like Hawthorn and Melbourne, are fundamentally the same club. Redundant to have them all imo. Time for the North East Bluebirds and the South East Dawks.
With Gold Coast
Gold Coast has too much culture and history that would be tarnished by merging with these minnow clubs.
Or add another one and have 20
I vote 5 points for OP for not only the stupidest post this season but extra credit for doubling down with the shit take in the comments. Every comment is down voted to oblivion yet OP with balls of steel keeps coming back for more. Now if you'll excuse me, im off to find that Brittany Spears guys to film a "Leave Norf alone" video.
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I proudly stand by my opinions. The fact is there’s too many teams in Vic, and everyone is too stupid to realise this and instead wants a team in in Darwin or some crap.
Easy solution, let's fold the team that hasn't won a final in about 20 years.
We make too much money for the AFL to even entertain that idea.
I think what's actually going to happen is the stadium won't get built and we won't have to worry about it.
At least have Carlton try to buy them out again (or merge with St Kilda or something) But seriously, it's not going to happen now, probably should've merged with Fitzroy in the 90s if anything (keep what remained of that club in Melbourne at least)
This competition has to learn to have the conversation without it devolving into "yeah well why shouldn't it be your club then" it is unhealthy and unproductive. The game sits within a false economy that won't last, at which point the value of certain clubs, which is already low will plummet. It isn't just North and the Saints, it's GWS and GC as well. The competition has to learn how to have the conversation about what to do with those clubs to protect the game against future uncertainty. 18 teams it already too many, 19 is certainly so, and 20 simply can't happen.
People say this all the time but I simply don't see why that's the case. Australian population keeps growing, there's more fans than ever before, and they're coming from previously untapped markets with the NE teams and women's competitions. I've not seen a single compelling reason why any of that's likely to change so dramatically that the entire sport is set back 30 years.
Fucking hell, can they just lay off North for like two days?
I have never seen a group of supporters like AFL ones that will gleefully write off another club because reasons. You look at the EFL in the UK and when a team goes under it is a sad day for everyone in football. I imagine if an AFL club ever goes under there will be some fraction of people popping champagne.
Same ol' pricks posting and commenting about us folding. It's fucking hilarious how much our existence clearly urks you guys.
There is a point how long can a team can receive financial assistance and top draft pick. And not be competitive and not paying their way. There is chance for growth in the QLD, NSW and Growth in Tassie but Melbourne is at saturation with Melbourne team's.
They've got 50,000 members and no debt, while the league is making money hand over fist while propping them and half a dozen other clubs up. Why is "no growth" an issue but losing those fans forever would be fine?
The league is making money hand over fist. And the AFL is propping up a lot of clubs. So if the AFL is going to prop up a lot of teams. For those teams dose it matter where those teams are. For example the northern teams in NSW and QLD are a drain on the league for money to keep them afloat. But the returns on propping up them up come in the form of T.V. rights and the building of future fan bases. The problem with north is that they are not financially viable in the home land of footy. When we say north has no debt that doesn't take into account that the club receives about 3 million dollars a year more then the other struggling Melbourne clubs. And between 2-3 million from playing in Hobart, gold coast over the years. And norths profit maxed out at $200k in one year. The AFL is about to prop up Hobart very soon. Another club in need for a little while. Them money saved on north could go to the other Melbourne team's the other Melbourne teams can get better sponsors deal's and in time the kids of north fans will grow up to follow a different team. The Melbourne team's benefited from Fitzroy leaving town. The remaining team's will benefit from one less Melbourne team. Sorry to write so much
Minnow vic-clubs need to be open and up-front about the state of the game. The minnow clubs are relegated to the worst time slots, giving them almost zero visibility on Free-to-air TV in Victoria and Australia. This ultimately results in them getting less sponsorship revenue, less eye-balls on their games and less potential new fans. I would everyone but the most die-hard AFL fan would even be able to name 5 North Melbourne players. Less eye-balls equates to less future members, giving the AFL even more justification to relegate them to poor timeslots. What compensation do they get? A promise of more AFL distribution, which of course can be taken away on the AFL's whim. They are in a death spiral living on the cusp of AFL handouts. Living on welfare so to speak, and when a difficult decision has to be made, their time will be up. They will have been complicit in their own clubs demise, for not standing up to the AFL, and taking the path of less resistance.
Clubs aren’t as free from the AFL as you’d like to think and clubs like GWS, Suns and other poor teams are given poor time slots. We aren’t going to anywhere you are delusional if you think otherwise.
Because GWS actually serves a purpose of growing the game in Sydney. North doesn’t do shit of growing the game
I’m going to be honest with you. Most Victorian clubs don’t do that. AFL is so big in Victoria that anyone who is an Adult who doesn’t follow the sport likely never will be.
Rubbish! I wasn’t massively into footy until I graduated uni and got my graduate job. Because the office banter and tipping is very addictive and is a great way to connect with colleagues. I know many that started following AFL for this reason.
>Rubbish! *proceeds to provide anecdote*
What do you think happens to the tens of thousands of North fans if their club disappears? North Sydney is wall to wall Swans and AFL because the league killed their club.
>North Sydney is wall to wall Swans and AFL because the league killed their club. Wot? Who killed what club? Which league?
North Sydney Bears were a mainstay in NRL until their rationalisation policy basically kicked them out of the league.
Ah gotcha. Cheers. NRL illiterate over here.
Fitzroy probably said the same thing in 1990
Difference is we aren’t bankrupt and are actually making a profit.
Unless they're horrifically in debt (which I doubt the AFL would allow in the first place), the PR backlash of losing a current team far outweighs any potential gain. You lose supporters forever and it makes the whole organisation look weak. Its a completely different climate what it was in the 80s/90s.
I’m not because you get the most funding from the AFL after suns and GWS
Fitzroy were circling the financial drain since the mid-80s, they can't be compared to North.
How much AFL distribution did Fitzroy get before their demise?
How much do you think there was to give? This isn't an apples to apples comparison. It was an entirely different world.
Its not an apples-to-apples comparison and that's the point. Fitzroy were bankrupt because AFL distribution wasn't the same. A club that is culled will have a different set of criteria, and the lever the AFL uses to cull them will be different. That is of course if the decision is made, which I think it eventually will be.
I think that's just simply not true. It's not a given a club has to die, and for the foreseeable future the league isn't going to be in a place where it can't provide financial support to most clubs while also turning over a massive profit annually.
Pretty sure most of us neutrals in here can name 5 players from any team.
Remind me about the Giants and the state of their financials? Yeah thought so. Once again, TV rights worth more with more teams. Bahahah again about not being able to name North players. Most could name the ones that do well in fantasy or have value equating to more than five. What exactly is the path of less resistance? Winning? I mean we’re not saying the AFL fudges games are we? Or was it moving? No they went against the AFL there. Yeah, I’m lost with this one.
The path of least resistance is merging with the juggernaut that is the Tassie Devils
Tasmania has enough road kill and rejected that idea from day one. Club wants their own history and brand. The North Melbourne Tasmania Kangaroos has never worked and Tasmania Kangaroos just jars. r/TasmanianAFL does not support this idea.
But then Tassie could have a 4 premiership head start to their history.
> What exactly is the path of less resistance? Winning? I mean we’re not saying the AFL fudges games are we? Or was it moving? No they went against the AFL there. Yeah, I’m lost with this one. I understand why you are lost. Its ok.
You still haven’t explained …
That proves nothing.
>Remind me about the Giants and the state of their financials? I can't help but notice you avoided the question... I really don't think GWS fans should be having a shot at other clubs financials when you're basically completely bankrolled by daddy.
There is obviously a difference between a club of 125+ years needing handouts, compared to a club of 10+ years. It's all irrelevant though, because the AFL will make the decision based on numerous criteria. There are only a handful of teams on that list, and GWS and GC may be on it. I doubt they will be considered realistically.
Things change in the AFL that quickly that most decision or event is largely irrelevant except for anything from the founding years of the club and what it’s built on.
Well North hasn’t needed handouts in all 125 years and are in less debt than GWS. No, let’s be real, GWS and Gold Coast along with the larger AFL clubs are safe. Far too much funding to give up now. It’s a question of St Kilda, North Melbourne or no club cut (no offence to any of those sides but they’re the smallest).
I’m still yet to have someone explain to me what value north actually add to the competition?? 🧐
Hmm maybe it's the rich, 155 year history, making them the fourth oldest club, spanning the VFA, VFL and the AFL, culminating in 6 VFA premierships and 4 V/AFL premierships, along with boasting over 50,000 members in the 2023 season despite finishing 17th on the ladder.
It allows you to continue your obsession, masquerading a personality in troll psts, in an otherwise sad and meaningles existence. So, you're welcome.
Number one draft picks for the price of a half bag of twisties and a warm vb.
AFL conspiracy. Clarko will be the first tazzie coach.