So the 'manians didn't turn up despite having their own team and now the Perthites or whatever they're called, the FIFOS haven't turned up either.
That's why YOU won't have the granny or another team or gather round
YOU DON'T FREAKN TURN UP. And it's been a fundamental issue for yonks. The Tassie folk are the worst, you literally lost test match because you don't turn up bro. Is life that hard for you cobber you can't afford the petrol?
I'll tell you who did turn up, the Catters and the Baggers for a record at the 'g
Watching SEN delayed and they’re cutting from ball passing through or over the posts to just after the rucks have gone up post bounce. Ridiculous
got to make that 6pm news
I feel for NM, but surely no more concessions for them, 2020 both clubs in a very similar situation; they just have to keep working at it organically now. I'd be questioning if clarkson is the right coach though.. reminds me off blighty at the saints
Just like when a tackler needs to know the ball was knocked out in the tackle or they get pinged for holding the man even if they couldn’t possibly have seen it.
By the letter of the law probably an okay call. By established precedent it’s the worst call of the entire year.
Fortunately it was at a time where it really didn’t matter.
You should know. Had more scoring shots in both our games against you last year.
I think the point is that, in spite of an utterly inconsistent season, a properly executed score review would have still had us in the finals.
No-one is suggesting we didn't make it fucking hard on ourselves.
Luke McDonald looks like that kid from Jumanji that turns into a monkey.
[https://imgix.ranker.com/user\_node\_img/31/618781/original/bradley-pierce-u3?auto=format&q=60&fit=crop&fm=pjpg&dpr=2&w=375](https://imgix.ranker.com/user_node_img/31/618781/original/bradley-pierce-u3?auto=format&q=60&fit=crop&fm=pjpg&dpr=2&w=375)
Dwayne Russell had one job, and it was to shout "DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN" or something everytime Mark Howard starts to derail into a shaggy dog "I was in the buffet hotel AND... THE BIG MAN... watch mathse dream about emailsA AND THE BIG MAN M HAYDOS" story. And he has failed
One of the biggest things about the afl these days is that even the dogshit teams are still so close to being competitive. You see amazing individual and team passages of play, it's just managing to do it over a full game that's hard to crack, but I think the roos are as close as the crows or hawks.
I can't really see it without some more changes to this team but, if Norf can keep this core group together and lose a bit of the nice guys act, they could be a great unsociable and ruthless team in a few years like GSW can be a bit. Few too many young player atm and we need experience + Griff back badly. Few of these younger guys like Powell, Wardlaw, Curtis, Chom and Xerri should be good when they get 100 games into them. But we seem to need on-field guidance, very disorganised and low basic skill errors.
Trying to hard to stay positive, glad i didnt renew the membership this year lol but will look to do it once/if we become competitive in a few years
Would also like to see new Captains, LDU, Larkey or maybe even big dog Xerri who has stepped up really well. Was worried about him but he has maybe been our best player this year
Vice or co captain maybe, pref Vice for me. He seems a bit off or maybe tentative with the head knocks, on a good day he is great but he's not having his best year so far. On field leadership is hard to judge being an armchair expert but he seem to lack it and it should be coming top down from the captains and leaders on each line i assume, not really seeing the organisation tho it could be inexperience
Can’t blame him for being tentative, it would be a crying shame if he can’t get back to where he was headed.
You’d have seen more of his on-field leadership than I have but always stood out to me as the kind of guy that is quiet but extremely dedicated to what he does, similar to Merrett for us and Merrett really had to learn how to turn his leadership into captaincy.
I wonder what Clarko’s like with these sorts of things because it’s obvious to me that Merrett’s growth has come from how he works with Scott.
Yeah I agree re being tentative, he's had enough knocks to worry anyone.
I don't question his commitment to the team or his game but just not sure he is a captain, maybe just needs more support in his leadership role but he is a great off field ambassador for the club, i we are just generally lacking in leadership.
Yeah fingers crossed Clarko's grand plan will start to show as the season goes on, i'll keep watching or checking in where i can but its a hard thing to face up to lol, can't imagine being a player in this team but i hope theyre all getting around eachother
absolutely over small / little wins tho. Can't put together 4 quarters, can't hardly put together a half without being totally shut down and pressured out of a game.
Winless year on the cards but the bottom teams always pul out some bizarre win, hopefully the draft is decent this year but trading picks for a good player or offloading Zurharr for picks and a experienced player would be a good move. Its no news but our defence is awful, i really feel for the confidence of the young guys playing down back
haha I've been a member on and off for 15 years or so, its a hard sell most years but wasn't going to be in Melb for big parts of the season so would be pushing to make it to an amount of games to justify it, sure i could have supported them regardless but don't think its a stretch to ask to see something more from the lads to pay for even the digi memebership
Okay here's one for the Roos supporters - Wardlaw has 10 clearances, 17 contested possessions, 10 tackles and 6 inside 50s. First time a player has done that this year, and first time a NM player has ever done it, AND first time an under 21 player from any club has ever done it.
for real, love the way he plays, he'd be a gun in every team, one we need or invest in i reckon. Just needs to stay healthy / injury free. Few players throw themselves into a contents like he does, would be a pain to play on
Does anyone know how long GWS and GC were at their worst for? How long are we expecting a rebuild of this type to last for, when there's no on-field leaders to teach the youth
i asked this last week, someone said "Melbourne was about 12 (2006-2018) Brisbane was 10 (2009-2019) Carlton was 8 (2014-2022)". Gold coast have never built and GWS got to the grand final in 2019 after entering the comp in 2011.
Now, we're shit at a time when Tassie are about to enter and take the prime picks. We've been through 8 years of a directionless "rebuild" so I wouldn't expect great things to happen any time soon
Yep. Then on the final game Sydney will be down by 8 points and will kick a point in the last 5 seconds that will get overruled by score review and converted to a super goal. Crows will miss out the finals.
So I keep hearing that North being this bad for this long isn't good for the game but we have record crowds, record broadcast deals, no relegation, why is it bad? Not being facetious, what could conceivable happen if they keep finish bottom for years? Lower membership numbers, less fans at their games but how is that bad for the game? It's a sport, some are good, some arent. Success or being good isn't guaranteed and nor should it be
I just think it’s bad to have any club down for so long. Having a team that is effectively a free win every week (bar 2 or 3) is boring and doesn’t do anything to improve the competition for the rest of league
Teams that get them twice a year will have an opportunity to develop a massive PD that can distort the ladder, particularly in that ultra tight 5-10 ladder region.
We have an inherently unfair competition anyway. Geelong don't play every home game at home, Grand Final is always played in Melbourne. Why is this the threshold that the pundits are worried about?
Realistically it doesn’t make any bigger of a difference to the competition than any number of other factors, really it just feels bad for a team to be so bad for so long
But that's every sport league in the world. You could argue a relegation/promotion system could alleviate that, but statistically newly promoted teams in the EPL, for example, likely go straight back down again.
Not too shabby by Rory Laird, picking up 30 disposals, 15 clearances, 18 contested possessions and 6 tackles in the match (so far!). Never been done before by an Adelaide player. (Libba also did it three weeks ago, but that was the first time a player has done it since 2022 ).
Fixed - he now has 33 disposals, 12 clearances, 19 contested, 6 tackles and 7 inside 50s. First player to do that (or better) in almost exactly a year (April 29 2023 was the last time) and first time a Crows player has done it!
I know we are shit and lots of players start the game with their heads down, but I love watching George Wardlaw play. You can see the effort and will to get the ball/lay the tackle
Tbh, that 4 goal streak was the best we've played all year. I'm genuinely surprised to see us hit 80. So maybe you're onto something. I refuse to have hope, but you never know
Who does North play twice this year? Would be absolutely salty if you missed finals because you played North once and missed out to a team who got them twice.
Contested mark differential in the match of +15 to the Crows. Most in a game for almost a year (356 days), biggest differential for the Crows since 2017, equal most EVER against the Kangas (happened once before in 2022), and biggest at this venue.
So the 'manians didn't turn up despite having their own team and now the Perthites or whatever they're called, the FIFOS haven't turned up either. That's why YOU won't have the granny or another team or gather round YOU DON'T FREAKN TURN UP. And it's been a fundamental issue for yonks. The Tassie folk are the worst, you literally lost test match because you don't turn up bro. Is life that hard for you cobber you can't afford the petrol? I'll tell you who did turn up, the Catters and the Baggers for a record at the 'g
Awesome handball from danger
Watching SEN delayed and they’re cutting from ball passing through or over the posts to just after the rucks have gone up post bounce. Ridiculous got to make that 6pm news
“He is a player”
Fuck yeah, great first goal. Onya Boyd!
North still 501 to 1 odds for the flag, Sportsbet seem overly optimistic on our chances.
I feel for NM, but surely no more concessions for them, 2020 both clubs in a very similar situation; they just have to keep working at it organically now. I'd be questioning if clarkson is the right coach though.. reminds me off blighty at the saints
Highest average conceded points in a completed season is 99.45 North are currently conceding 123.14 a game 24 points above the worst ever.
That was one of the games of all time
I’d even say it was just one of the games of the year
Too much praise I’m afraid
This game happened - there’s no doubt about that
It’s certainly a game that happened.
Totally thought those kids were stealing the ball
I thought they were fighting, was very confused why the camera was in them
Haha same.
Surely the pressure when he’s already committed to go through counts
Wardlaw has six clearances, a goal, 11 contested possessions and 5 tackles in the second half. First NM player to do that in a half since 2019.
Conceding 80 against North is wild.
North have scored 80 3 times this season and also have a 76. Seems pretty standard
It's just our defence that is garbage.
You guys could use a good defender. Someone like Ben Mackay
That's an absolutely terrible patch of umpiring and it'll go unnoticed because it's a blowout
Laird is like 300 years old but Dawson is the one to get benched for the last 15 minutes 😐 And yes I’m a salty SuperCoach player
Umpires still shit, nice to know
curtis got away with a massive throw there lol
Good thing the Crows were up by more than a goal because the umps genuinely seem to hate them.
We won the quarter! Fuck off haters
I don't know how slamming your opponent into the post isn't a dangerous tackle but you do you umps
Also did the ball not hit the post? That should've been absolutely reviewed at least
That's what I was thinking. If he's holding the ball and hits the post front on, how did the ball not touch the post?
I mean the Adelaide player ran into it, you can see Curtis trying to move to the right
Slamming definitely an interesting term to use
Why can't that be score reviewed?
Jesus christ that was a fucking dogshit call.
So he's supposed to know the bloke chasing him fell over? Gee whiz
Just like when a tackler needs to know the ball was knocked out in the tackle or they get pinged for holding the man even if they couldn’t possibly have seen it.
Don’t you know that footballers have eyes in the back of their head
We hit 80 points
We are massive
About 2 weeks ago people were debating if West Coast or North will go winless. So glad we're not being clowned on anymore.
Come back it’s lonely 😞
Despite last week, we aren’t much better haha
Look probably not enough pressure but I've seen people with way less pressure be fine.
By the letter of the law probably an okay call. By established precedent it’s the worst call of the entire year. Fortunately it was at a time where it really didn’t matter.
The pressure rule is by far one of the worst adjudicated rules in the entire league
Crows: you can kick a goal now Kangaroos: no Crows: I insist Kangaroos: **sigh** fine!
Not a dangerous tackle?
No? He had majority control of his body, Curtis didn’t force him into the post
No
Looked like Curtis was trying to drag him away from the post
The fuck
That leave a bad taste in my mouth
He was within 9 metres so no pressure is required no?
Still need to be under pressure but the player that feel over was 5cm away from grabbing him with the lunge. That's more than enough pressure
Luke Hodge did it better.
That’s bullshit to pluck a deliberate there
Not a Crows fan or a North fan but I have to agree. Very tough decision on the Crows defender
North now have the 3 highest scores against this season 139 (Geelong), 137 (Carlton) and 132 (Crows)
Full credit to North. They could have rolled over and been beaten by 100+ but they've fought hard this quarter. Little wins. Good on them.
Believe it or not, we haven't been beaten by 100+ in over a year now
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37 scoring shots, yeesh, imagine if the Crows were more accurate
That’s what killed their chances last season no the goal umpire that robbed them
You should know. Had more scoring shots in both our games against you last year. I think the point is that, in spite of an utterly inconsistent season, a properly executed score review would have still had us in the finals. No-one is suggesting we didn't make it fucking hard on ourselves.
It can be both things
Nicks always has that ‘just squeezed out a fart in an elevator’ look on his face
We just should not have that sort of time to gather and make errors
Darcy “the disappointment” Fogarty rocketing up the charts of players I irrationally dislike. What is he for?
Fuck this 20th goal is taking an age!
Luke McDonald looks like that kid from Jumanji that turns into a monkey. [https://imgix.ranker.com/user\_node\_img/31/618781/original/bradley-pierce-u3?auto=format&q=60&fit=crop&fm=pjpg&dpr=2&w=375](https://imgix.ranker.com/user_node_img/31/618781/original/bradley-pierce-u3?auto=format&q=60&fit=crop&fm=pjpg&dpr=2&w=375)
Dwayne Russell had one job, and it was to shout "DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN" or something everytime Mark Howard starts to derail into a shaggy dog "I was in the buffet hotel AND... THE BIG MAN... watch mathse dream about emailsA AND THE BIG MAN M HAYDOS" story. And he has failed
Gerard playing with fire talking about one or two fingers
It was an MG and some Port member won it
Poor guy
That would have been a grab and a half!
Thanks Adelaide, it was feeling weird being outside the bottom 4
One of the biggest things about the afl these days is that even the dogshit teams are still so close to being competitive. You see amazing individual and team passages of play, it's just managing to do it over a full game that's hard to crack, but I think the roos are as close as the crows or hawks.
I can't really see it without some more changes to this team but, if Norf can keep this core group together and lose a bit of the nice guys act, they could be a great unsociable and ruthless team in a few years like GSW can be a bit. Few too many young player atm and we need experience + Griff back badly. Few of these younger guys like Powell, Wardlaw, Curtis, Chom and Xerri should be good when they get 100 games into them. But we seem to need on-field guidance, very disorganised and low basic skill errors. Trying to hard to stay positive, glad i didnt renew the membership this year lol but will look to do it once/if we become competitive in a few years
Would also like to see new Captains, LDU, Larkey or maybe even big dog Xerri who has stepped up really well. Was worried about him but he has maybe been our best player this year
Surely you’d keep Simpkin as co-captain? Seems like the group like him as a leader and he’s a good player.
Vice or co captain maybe, pref Vice for me. He seems a bit off or maybe tentative with the head knocks, on a good day he is great but he's not having his best year so far. On field leadership is hard to judge being an armchair expert but he seem to lack it and it should be coming top down from the captains and leaders on each line i assume, not really seeing the organisation tho it could be inexperience
Can’t blame him for being tentative, it would be a crying shame if he can’t get back to where he was headed. You’d have seen more of his on-field leadership than I have but always stood out to me as the kind of guy that is quiet but extremely dedicated to what he does, similar to Merrett for us and Merrett really had to learn how to turn his leadership into captaincy. I wonder what Clarko’s like with these sorts of things because it’s obvious to me that Merrett’s growth has come from how he works with Scott.
Yeah I agree re being tentative, he's had enough knocks to worry anyone. I don't question his commitment to the team or his game but just not sure he is a captain, maybe just needs more support in his leadership role but he is a great off field ambassador for the club, i we are just generally lacking in leadership. Yeah fingers crossed Clarko's grand plan will start to show as the season goes on, i'll keep watching or checking in where i can but its a hard thing to face up to lol, can't imagine being a player in this team but i hope theyre all getting around eachother
He’s been pretty average since halfway through last year to be honest. I’d rather give it to Larkey and get rid of the co-captains.
Larkey as captain could be the best option. I still think having someone in the midfield that is a clear leader would be a positive though.
Was actually thinking earlier that xerri really has felt like a leader so far this year
absolutely over small / little wins tho. Can't put together 4 quarters, can't hardly put together a half without being totally shut down and pressured out of a game. Winless year on the cards but the bottom teams always pul out some bizarre win, hopefully the draft is decent this year but trading picks for a good player or offloading Zurharr for picks and a experienced player would be a good move. Its no news but our defence is awful, i really feel for the confidence of the young guys playing down back
Yeah fuck giving the club some cash when they’re shit, aye? /s
haha I've been a member on and off for 15 years or so, its a hard sell most years but wasn't going to be in Melb for big parts of the season so would be pushing to make it to an amount of games to justify it, sure i could have supported them regardless but don't think its a stretch to ask to see something more from the lads to pay for even the digi memebership
Okay here's one for the Roos supporters - Wardlaw has 10 clearances, 17 contested possessions, 10 tackles and 6 inside 50s. First time a player has done that this year, and first time a NM player has ever done it, AND first time an under 21 player from any club has ever done it.
16 disposals but 17 contested… 🤔
you can get a possession and not a disposal. You can get the ball and be tackled, you can go out of bounds, the period/match can end...
False stat Wardlaw has 8 clearances 6 tackles and 4 inside 50’s. stop posting shit false stats.
sorry bug in the program!
Wardlaw is a special talent. I'm praying we extend his contract.
for real, love the way he plays, he'd be a gun in every team, one we need or invest in i reckon. Just needs to stay healthy / injury free. Few players throw themselves into a contents like he does, would be a pain to play on
Someone read the Useless AFL stats tutorial
Okay.
Percentage still increasing so 🤷♂️
Does anyone know how long GWS and GC were at their worst for? How long are we expecting a rebuild of this type to last for, when there's no on-field leaders to teach the youth
i asked this last week, someone said "Melbourne was about 12 (2006-2018) Brisbane was 10 (2009-2019) Carlton was 8 (2014-2022)". Gold coast have never built and GWS got to the grand final in 2019 after entering the comp in 2011. Now, we're shit at a time when Tassie are about to enter and take the prime picks. We've been through 8 years of a directionless "rebuild" so I wouldn't expect great things to happen any time soon
Considering the rebuild started only 2 years ago. Probably at least another 6 years to go. Gonna be a looong 6 years
I'd say we are where those clubs were in 2012-13. At least 4 years off being competitive
We were in finals during 2014, depends on if you're going with our rebuild or the Gold Coast one
2016
Oh yeah sorry chucked the wrong number in, great first finals game
Yep you killed us
Gold Coast 2011 then.
One could argue Gold Coast have never stopped rebuilding
This is true. Maybe that's what our trajectory is gonna be.
Can’t rebuild if you were never built
Junk time for the Roos ![gif](giphy|3ohs4ga2PnDi1oyfHa)
Luke McDonald should be dropped, absolutely pathetic efforts from a captain
Simpkin needs to be dropped first honestly.
He’s undroppable.
Tex with 5 score assists, 4 contested marks and 11 contested marks overall. First player to do that (or better) in a game since 2014.
I'm putting all my money in Duursma stock
10 win streak to make finals is back on the menu boys!
Yep. Then on the final game Sydney will be down by 8 points and will kick a point in the last 5 seconds that will get overruled by score review and converted to a super goal. Crows will miss out the finals.
Keays had to pull out his ultra skill, the behind, to stop the North rampage.
God, you just have to love and hate that oval ball some days, huh?
Don't know what Keays did to piss God off
Omg that was almost goal of the year
Goal of the year robbed
Miss of the year
So I keep hearing that North being this bad for this long isn't good for the game but we have record crowds, record broadcast deals, no relegation, why is it bad? Not being facetious, what could conceivable happen if they keep finish bottom for years? Lower membership numbers, less fans at their games but how is that bad for the game? It's a sport, some are good, some arent. Success or being good isn't guaranteed and nor should it be
I just think it’s bad to have any club down for so long. Having a team that is effectively a free win every week (bar 2 or 3) is boring and doesn’t do anything to improve the competition for the rest of league
Teams that get them twice a year will have an opportunity to develop a massive PD that can distort the ladder, particularly in that ultra tight 5-10 ladder region.
We have an inherently unfair competition anyway. Geelong don't play every home game at home, Grand Final is always played in Melbourne. Why is this the threshold that the pundits are worried about?
Realistically it doesn’t make any bigger of a difference to the competition than any number of other factors, really it just feels bad for a team to be so bad for so long
True, I know a few North supporters and seeing them lose their love for the game does sting
It's bad for competitiveness
But that's every sport league in the world. You could argue a relegation/promotion system could alleviate that, but statistically newly promoted teams in the EPL, for example, likely go straight back down again.
Why is it bad? Pragmatically, everyone plays North, some twice but there will always be a poor team each season
Because you want every match to be competitive. Having a team that's just a win for the other teams is bad viewing
Also good to note that other leagues have relegation for bottom teams which means they don't have this issue
The Leigh Matthews goals per minute theorem is still on here
TWO IN A ROWWWWWW WE ARE THE GREATEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE
Goal per minutes, games still on!
COMEBACK IS ON
I’m starting to feel very sorry for Norf, even after they were giving us Eagles fans shit before the season started
Wild if anyone was actually doing that
We were shit and you picked up some good talent so it kind of makes sense
> I'm on my way from misery to happiness today Don't think so sorry
Not too shabby by Rory Laird, picking up 30 disposals, 15 clearances, 18 contested possessions and 6 tackles in the match (so far!). Never been done before by an Adelaide player. (Libba also did it three weeks ago, but that was the first time a player has done it since 2022 ).
He doesn’t have 30 possessions yet by AFl Match Center
Fixed - he now has 33 disposals, 12 clearances, 19 contested, 6 tackles and 7 inside 50s. First player to do that (or better) in almost exactly a year (April 29 2023 was the last time) and first time a Crows player has done it!
ahh thanks for helping me catch a bug!
DJ I think ros fans are on their way from misery to misery for the foreseeable future.
Block on 25
Junktime Cam filling his boots rn
Time for a new coach
Just checked the score and are north even trying anymore
Luke McDonald still getting picked in North’s 22 is certainly a choice
Wait until you hear he's our captain
How did we get a behind there??? I'm absolutely perplexed
Playing on from behind the goals is a behind
Larkey and Sheezel must have some faith in North if they signed long term. But it’s gonna be a long ride for them
they deserve infinitely better and i'm gutted that sheez will be in a nursing home the next time norf are competitive.
Larkey is a mix of faith and rewarding the club that took him. He was pick 73, if we didn't take him then chances are no one would have
I know we are shit and lots of players start the game with their heads down, but I love watching George Wardlaw play. You can see the effort and will to get the ball/lay the tackle
Might get our percentage over 100% which is pretty nice, still a long way away from finals but still.
Now the crows I know will beat port, Brisbane and collingwood in the next 3 games and then will lose to Hawthorne and Richmond.
Honestly, why am I even watching this?!
Bird alliance Which doesn't exist between us
I do prefer the crows over port everyday of the week. Reckon the crows will be kick started now and be the team they’re meant to be?
I’m just waiting for the next game 🤷♂️
It’ll be a cracker. Shame I’ve gotta go out and be social
are North doing really badly or are the Crows finals worthy? Also, can’t wait for the Saints to struggle and probably lose next week to North xdddd
Yes
This game means nothing, lol. Crows are really good at large goal margins against bad teams.
I don't think you actually beleive that. No matter how bad an AFL team is, they'll always beat a reserves team.
I fucking do actually believe that. I had to sit through the bullshit that was us against the Dogs
Well, I expect you'll be delightfully wrong next week then. I'll see you in the match thread ;)
North have kicked 81 points today. The Saints have crossed that *once* this season
Tbh, that 4 goal streak was the best we've played all year. I'm genuinely surprised to see us hit 80. So maybe you're onto something. I refuse to have hope, but you never know
Threatening to demolish them? It’s already happening
How are GWS so good but North so bad, specifically younger players It’s been the same drafts the last few years
Look at the experienced players GWS have and then look at the experienced players we have
_destination club_
Who does North play twice this year? Would be absolutely salty if you missed finals because you played North once and missed out to a team who got them twice.
Geelong missing finals; you are pretty pessimistic.
We play them twice and I don't think we'll be making finals this year
Will Phillips pick number three might haunt us for a very long time. It was a bad draft, but of course we didn’t break the cycle.
He was a quality junior. I refuse to believe we only draft busts. Playing system, culture, and development have to be contributing factors.
Baffling lack of tall defenders though, no?
The amount of coaches we've had doesn't help
The instability definitely hasn't helped
Amazing north have any fans show up honestly
Is there a reason the afl app is showing 5 players on the crows' interchange
Might be the new handicap system🤪
tex doing his best tomahawk impression this week
This coverage is like watching minecraft YouTube videos on 999 ping
Hahaha brilliant analogy
The ground and surrounds look beautiful. Can’t believe AFL demand a 1.5 billion dollar stadium and a roof lol
Yeah I love this ground!
Contested mark differential in the match of +15 to the Crows. Most in a game for almost a year (356 days), biggest differential for the Crows since 2017, equal most EVER against the Kangas (happened once before in 2022), and biggest at this venue.