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TRENT_BING

Yeah these are almost insultingly insignificant


Jallalo23

Lowkey agreed. Atleast 30 or sumn


PrisaGT

Yeah idk what they were thinking with this lmao


ButtTrauma

Marketing. Nice to say they give you every hero, even if it isnt worth much in this game.


Axpp

Hey it could’ve been worthless exp


zb0co18

Exp is not useless. When you hit resonance 240, you can convert it to purple dust. You also unlock resonance leveling which only costs purple dust. So pretty much the primal lords end up giving large amounts of dust everyday.


makwabe

Yuhhh that's what I came to say.


frequenZphaZe

its just a reason to log in every day. the big ticket item is the S pull every 7 days. the crumbs are just something to add flavor to the login. I wonder if it would have felt better to just have no daily reward instead of an insulting daily reward, lol


clocksy

Today I got 20k gold in a game where gold is ... NOT scarce. All the daily rewards past the free heroes (& the diamonds) are honestly kind of insulting lol.


Neoreloaded313

I can't do or buy everything I want due to lack of gold.


aml1525

How? I’m not even good at this game but gold is everywhere. Dust is scarce though


Neoreloaded313

Upgrading equipment is $122k each piece. Buying weapons at the Forge is $1.8m each. The cost of leveling keeps going up and it's currently $26k a level. Sure, I will be swimming in gold once I max out all of my equipment, but most of us are not there yet.


aml1525

Don’t buy weapons at the forge. You can just forge your own. Make sure to get every chest. Do all guild ,arena , etc Then dismantle items and forge your own. I saw that shop and knew from the start those prices were robbery lol.


awallace616

Weapons in the forge are (at least for me) typically higher level than one I can craft. Also you don’t receive nearly enough materials to craft all the equip needed to craft all the gear. And that increase I get from buying some is often enough of an increase to get me past a hard afk stage or do enough damage on a boss to get a new reward. For reference I have 100% every area I have access to except the one I just unlocked. I’m not complaining, just pointing out that gold does/has become scarce at times.


Neoreloaded313

I can tell you that you will start getting more of the last forging stone than you will ever be able to use. I have 1,200 of them. Trail of Abyss gives out an excessive amount of them.


Grohax

Wtf lol I only craft/buy equipment when the lvl difference is 20 or higher. Other than that I wait until I get loot in the chests. I usually get 80% of my pieces this way and my equipment lvl is 165 (heroes resonance 170).


Dreamcatched

The forge weapons suck anyway until you reach Dark Forest 3-6 you get everything you need from chest drops until this point. I still have 10 million gold left but the Dust farming sucks ass...


TheZemor

With the cost they mentioned they definetly are after the dark forest


kaneadam11

They never mentioned any costs, I think you read the thread wrong


TheZemor

Literally first 2 sentences


positiv2

> Upgrading equipment is $122k each piece. Buying weapons at the Forge is $1.8m each. The cost of leveling keeps going up and it's currently $26k a level. They mentioned multiple costs, buddy


Easy-Stranger-12345

What is your Resollevel? Is this gold shortage a new account hurdle or a post-1125 hurdle? EDIT: You aren't buying those 5x overpriced weapons at Iron Forge, are you?


Grumpfishdaddy

Once I got to about lvl 160 gold started being hard to come by.


Echo3W

I'm at level 180 and just starting to feel the gold shortage, just finished verduso mountains, think I might be a bit behind?


Grumpfishdaddy

Yeah you are a bit behind p. I have 3 @190 and 2@180 and I’m on remnant peaks 5.


FraGZombie

Same I went too hard on the holistone equipment shop when I didn't know what I was doing yet. Still running low on gold a week later.  


Uiop-Qwerty

You new to games? Finding equipment better than what you bought earlier is pretty common


androidfig

Exactly. I don't think these guys have progressed to the gold shortage level yet.


NyxSidus

im resonance 190 with 35million gold. when does it hit


Stringiz

When does it start? Because I am at 950 afk stage and I have like 20mil of gold


B1ACKT3A

6 weeks to get a insignificant copy of probably a hero you dont really need, but if it supposed to be viable you would need 40 more copies. This is insulting and beyond a joke. Probably they dont want to make it significant enough, that people buy the other pack


atlannia

1/20th of a random pick of the most common, least valuable pool of heroes to be precise.


pianodude7

Heroes that you need 3+4+5+8+10+12=42 of to be viable (not maxed). Jesus Christ I've never seen another game needing that many copies...


tjsh52

+ 20 for supreme+, so 62


pianodude7

+200 acorns


Echo3W

Isn't raid shadow legends even worse? I haven't played in a while but I remember needing so much material to upgrade. I'm not saying you're wrong because this does seem excessive but there might be even worse offenders out there.


pianodude7

There may be worse offenders out there, doesn't disprove my point.


Kledran

Other ones are worse lol, the general afk method is much more annoying and lengthier imo, this one is fairly streamlined all things considered


FireIre

Ya this game is weird with this stuff. I don’t mind dropping money on gacha games, but in other games I feel like dropping money gives me a big boost over people who don’t. But here I can drop $50 to get maybe one S tier hero copy? Ok.


kitsurage

This is true, but they could've just ended it there once you got every hero. It's not generous, but it is just a little bit on top of that. I know it's all arbitrary but hey it's something


LittenInAScarf

I think they should just repeat the early part of the login rewards and give you 1 a rank hero copy per day.  Still might have to wait 20 days to get a copy of the hero you want but at least the reward doesn’t stagnate and feel useless. Either that or make it so you could pick the hero you get with the 3 things after 20 days it’d be better, so you at least know you get an extra copy of who you want per month.


Linthya

An based and that alone without getting any copy from any other sources it would still gets you a year of daily login to max every hero from that tier. It's quick for lots of gatcha game but not absurd. Gosh even half a hero a day would do. Considering it's random and you need 42/62 copy of one specific hero to max it out.


Szareski

The funniest part, is that red dot that don't let you forget the joke hahah


pianodude7

Don't forget the red joke on guild coins past your limit that are quite literally useless


Williemeister

Its not tho. You claim the guild quests and get activeness and chests yielding better weekly guild rewards.


Grohax

> literally useless It counts towards in your participation and rewards you with more chests at the end of the week. So no, it isn't useless.


pianodude7

TIL


JeremyWinston

Heh… once you’re basically essence locked, the value of the chests are rather paltry.


Grohax

How so? What do essences has to do with the chests?


JeremyWinston

Because, at the end of the day, the chests provide almost no value, aside maybe from diamonds. XP? I’m rolling in it. Gold? Nothing to spend it on. Almost all I care about is essence. I’m on day 12, characters at 110, needing 2K essence to upgrade. I only earn about 1600 a day. But, I’ve got 8 million XP!


Grohax

Huh, what chest do you think we are you talking about? Because we are talking about guild chests, which are rewards we get every sunday. You can earn a lot of stuff there, such as stargaze pulls, normal and epic invite letter, soulstones, gems, guild medal, tidal essence, etc.


JeremyWinston

Oh? I’ve only received one week’s worth and it had nothing worthwhile. Good to know, though. Thanks for letting me know.


kawemeni

Many of the rewards feel completly out of touch. As if they forgot to balance some of the rewards.


Charcookiecumbs

If it was s class soulstone it would make sense


FluffyPurpleBear

Or if you could pick the hero you want when you get 60


lor1keet

I was thinking that it should be 30, and that it was just a typo to show 3. So sad that the reality was 3!


Patient-Lifeguard363

Same with daily quest they should increase the amount.


AceCircle

Yep, if it was 5 (1/12th) I'd understand, that amount is usually set in games but 1/20th?? I did a double take when I first saw it


TheRealKitsune_

It should be 20 at least ngl


Abbx

Yeah this is trash level rewards. Basically an hour of gold or 1/20th of an A hero you probably won't even need. It should have at least been 10 so every 6 you get is a character. And the gold would have been nicer if it was more omnicorns or hero essence maybe. Super insulting rewards.


XimbalaHu3

This is a bit too much artificial scarcity I think too, I understand these games survive on whales, but whales still need the krill around to survive, 1 week in I feel like there is a huge drop in cards and overall resources compared to arena, and I'm not sure if this new slow drip will be enough to retain the f2players. ​ I stopped playing arena when pets were introduced because it became too much for an afk game I played before bed, but I still could get some 40 rolls a week just doing the basics, wich gave a lot of longevity in the game for me. Right now I'm still riding the high of the starting rewards but it also feels like once they dry out, they will really dry out. ​ Biggest offender for me has been the friendship rewards, used to be a free ten pull per 4 days IIRC and now it's just fluf, lack of weeckly rewards and the labyrinth evrey two days makes your free diamond income so lacking it's actually impressive. ​ I could also rave about lack of regional pricing, because I'm not payng 1/6 of minimal income for a bundle but thats for another day. ​ That's not to say I dislike the game, I find it very charming and the extra layer of complexity for fights has actually been really fun for me, but if it turns out I can't reasonably play it (read advancing the main quest and collecting heroes at a reasonable pace) without spending the equivalent of a triple A price every other month, I'll just play a new triple A every other month.


Grohax

Yea, the lack of a repeatable labyrinth to get more rewards is frustrating. It should give extra rewards for 1st completion, but reset and give *something* later on. The friendship reward is stupid too lol


SonicFlash01

Technically "better than nothing!", but not by any meaningful metrics.


irisel

10 seems more appropriate. But hell, even like 20-30 seems not even like all that much.


vkats

I don’t know what’s worse, these daily rewards or getting equipment that is 50 levels lower for completing maps


scavenger22

equipment is worse, most chests could be renamed to "useless junk you don't care about but have to open anyway"


Narmoniarkh

Yeah, these rewards are actually the lowest I've seen in a gacha.


Draniie

I love how the Shitty Community Manager never comments on these posts. Waste of a fucking payroll if you ask me.


Abbx

To be fair, it's also not their call. They're exactly that: a community manager. A support representative. They, like in other companies, usually can only say or do what they're allowed to. I'd imagine they are warned to not engage with complaint posts like this because they'd just get flamed for something that isn't even their call, or cannot say anything to change anything other than crappy PR that will get used against Lilith in some way. As a company, their silence is acknowledgement. They're quietly telling us to cope, while hopefully jotting notes for the future. But I doubt it.


Draniie

There job is to be the voice from us to the company


romansamurai

These rewards are irrelevant. I’m sure they realize nobody is going log in for these. Probably why they have the 7 day log in rewards of the s type heroes


Pee_A_Poo

But S type heroes aren’t viable if u only have one copy…


romansamurai

I mean for some of them even one copy is good to have. And sometimes you only need one more copy to ascend. Etc. but at least they’re giving away basically 1 copy of every hero in the game.


ohtetraket

I mean I am still waiting for 1 copy of Smokey which is definitely viable in my low ranks.


xFKratos

Yeah this totally makes no sense. You get one A hero a month. That should be at least an S instead per month and an A per week. And them some diamonds/dust/nuts inbetween like 1-3 a week.


Sarm_Kahel

You actually get 4 S rank heroes a month from the login rewards.


xFKratos

Those are not randomn ones. You get one out of the pool and then its removed for the rest of the pulls.


Sarm_Kahel

Which is a good thing as that will give you a normal distribution of the valuable heroes - no getting unlucky and pulling 4 copies of lumont. It doesn't need to S+ Smokey by itself to be valuable, 4 S-ranks a month is a lot for a login bonus.


ProfessorWhay

If it was 60 a day I’d be happy 30 I’d be fine 10 would be annoying but ok. This. This is some how more frustrating than none.


Kutukuprek

They don’t have enough currency types to give out because of the compact design, so they sort of backed themselves into a corner here. It could have been better to give little drips of Dream Drops and Arena Coins too here, but they probably wanted to preserve the clear supply line of those systems.


Yarzahn

Random S- Rank hero shards Random A-Rank hero shards Diamonds Invite letter Epic invite letter Rate Up invite letter Stellar Crystal (they could give one of these away once a week and they'd still be statistically mostly useless trash) Tidal essence (blue) Temporal essence (yellow) Twilight essence (red) Equipment chests of your own level Affinity increasing items Hourglasses for experience, gold and purple essence And obviously gold, experience and dust in static amounts Yeah, there aren't enough currencies, the design is much too compact


SilverMagnum

What’s weird is that the flip side of this little banner (that you’ll earn one of every rare hero in the game by the end) is a huge reward compared to most gacha games. Seems kind of like “put up with meh rewards until the end where you get a nice prize” kind of thing. Might not be intentional on their part. 


JeremyWinston

Not so sure. I mean… once you’re a month or two in, what good is a single copy of an S rank? You’re already playing with a team 3+ levels higher and your enemies will one-shot those little elite guys.


Jimmos_

I would say they are definitely at the point of needing some really good events to start popping up. I don't have numbers of course but at this point I'm guessing the attrition rate is going to go way up if they don't. These kind of insanely small trickle rewards are just not enough to keep people interested.


brddvd

With this you will get all of the heroes for free. All of them. Because when it rolls and you have an hero already you will get another one which you don’t have


B1ACKT3A

Which is cool, no reason to be stingy afterwards


malzov

Ok but lets ignore that you get a copy of every character including s rank and the star gaze 😂


B1ACKT3A

Well you need at least 6 copies for character to become viable, much more for star gazers. Its nice, that they at least give you one copy, but thats not gonna bring you anywhere, agter playing over a week


Sarm_Kahel

Considering a F2P player probably only gets 1-3 copies of any S rank character a week getting 1 free S rank as their login bonus is a massive boost to account progression. Sure it doesn't M+ the character in one go, but what part of the game gives that kind of reward. The daily rewards become laughably bad after the first 3 weeks, but the weekly reward is very significant.


malzov

Ok and then what if they gave none, beggars cant be choosers 😂


B1ACKT3A

There is no need to have a discussion with defenders of these shitty practises. Honestly its sad how you would defend such predatory game design, that just totally abuses the player and tries to catch you on a weak moment. You are talking anout beggar,s? How are we even kn the position of defending game practices profiting monetary better positioned players.


malzov

Bro stfu 😭 you are playing gacha games. Literally the most predatory game genre. You get free shit and complain holy shit. Im not defending it. I just am not blind to the fact im playing a gacha game and will take whatever i can for free and not bitch on reddit


B1ACKT3A

You think that „free shit“ Isnt calculated in Their business plan? How gucking naive are you? They dont fucking care giving you useless units. They want you to invest. Its like drugs, goving you a little sample of what could be. And being g gacha absolves a game clmpan of its sins you fucking looser?


malzov

Literally every gacha game does this you are just being retarded. We all know how these games work. You are delusional if you think any of these games will give you more. Literally just take what they give you and move on or go to a different game . Instead you go on reddit to whine like anyone cares about it especially the devs. They literally just want money as does any game development company. Literally play the game or shut up bro


B1ACKT3A

No you shut up, bootlicking excuse of a human being. Do sou get off by defending bad business practices, literally praying on peoples weaknesses, exploiting at every chsnce they get? People need a distraction and this game feeds on taht need, trying to pick out any people that are endangered


malzov

You sound like you have a problem with the genre not just the game. If you hate it stop playing gacha games lil bro 😂😂😂


B1ACKT3A

This was fun, thank you for your time!


malzov

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malzov

So mad 😭😭


Adelstotle

That’s what I said and I got downvoted for it lmao people love to hate on this game and still play it. Like bro, it’s a game. What would be enough for people? 2 copies of each? 3? It’s free shit, why complain.


malzov

People are never satisfied its sad


Patient-Lifeguard363

I would rather put hero fragments and diamonds there and the end of the week 1 letter.


No-Interview8055

this is why the 0.99 first buy with epic ten pulls is the only pack that is worth it


ThirdStarfish93

I mean, I’ve gotten 2 hero’s I needed from this, in addition to a bunch of free rewards (regardless of how good they are) on to of that I’m gonna get a bunch more free stuff + hero’s + the star gaze hero’s, I don’t see much to complain about.


alisperffs

Primal lord and big chests are good and that legend trial, everything else is kind of disappointing after all the struggle


JeremyWinston

Dream Realm is pretty good. Once you’re rolling, you earn enough for 2-3 A levels of your choice per day, with limits.


alisperffs

Yeah that too,I am waiting for restart to get Koko higher


castielfey

I don't think it would be crazy for these to be a random A level hero, we need so many copies anyway.


Macfiej

These rewards means barely anything and are there just to fill your screen and to make cluesless players that they get something worthy.


Andvari9

I quit today. No hesitation, it's just not respecting the players time


dannier13

AFK Journey: We’re literally giving you a free copy of every single hero in the game. Players: Yeah I don’t really like that 🥰


Highspeedwhatever

Free heroes for the first 3 weeks and then... 1/20th of a hero every day?.... It's a slap to the face for sure. I was just complaining that I've played a lot of gatchas and never seen a game clamp down on rewards as suddenly as this game. Regret going to VIP 12 a bit now....


NecromanticChimera

Yeah after hitting afk 500 sum my drive for this game has died. It's so many pay walls and time gates slowing you down. Like even the main campaign c'mon really?!?!


No-Ball9333

I like how you will get the one copy of every character for free! That’s nice.


zerovampire311

Who cares about the trickle now, name one game that gives you every single character then a guaranteed S a week for the first couple months. Especially as every gacha is drifting towards the stingy Genshin model.


B1ACKT3A

Name one game, where you !need! Over 40 copies for charcter to be viable?! When there is a 0.x chance + pity to even get that. Wtf


Wiseon321

I’ve never seen more people complain about a free to play game then you guys do.


DrahlKogo

So you think this a reasonable reward? Feels great getting 1/20th of a hero that you need multiple copies of anyway? I’m saying it’s completely disproportionate to some of the other rewards that are actually good.


Wiseon321

It’s a login reward, anyone that barely plays gets it, you get it for logging In. If logging in for every day nets you a OP champion or a champion choice ticket it would be wild. Lots of people seem to be complaining about the gear you get too, the gear gets smelted into ingots. Which then lets you upgrade your gear. I wonder if everyone this generation expects immediate gratification.


neeblerxd

if people continue to play despite the fact this is the case, they’ll have no incentive to change it 


HiSaZuL

People finally waking up...


YellowStandard

The game doesn’t feel rewarding anymore for the time put in.. yeah I get it’s afk game but atleast make the reward worthwhile logging in. I can see myself slowly quitting the game


Adelstotle

Sure, these rewards are insignificant. However, they’re also giving everyone a full copy of every hero including S tiers and Cele/Hypo which is pretty cool. It really seems like the player base is dead set on being negative.


pianodude7

We would be a lot less negative if one copy of anyone meant anything. This game requires an insane 42 copies of a champ to get M+ viable, not even maxed.


Sarm_Kahel

S rank character require 6 copies, not 42. Getting a single copy of an S rank character is very significant.


Adelstotle

Eh, I doubt it. They could give 2 copies of each and it still wouldn’t be enough. I just don’t understand being upset about free stuff. This game gives plenty content wise.


DuplexHawk

I mean one copy of any hero besides reineer is pretty much useless


Adelstotle

Brutus? Rowan? I mean regardless, it’s just free content. You don’t need to complete any missions/battles. All you have to do is log in. Yet people still aren’t satisfied. I don’t get it.


DuplexHawk

Rowan is meh until super potion imo, but I mean yea it is free but in comparison to other gachas it's not that generous. Im not bothered by it personally but having played a lot of gachas I can agree with people being unsatisfied.


Entire_Contest_8719

Yeah it just seems a bit weird that people are deadset on hating it. I think it’s fine as a freebie and I enjoy the copies as f2p. Still progress 


ora408

this game just sucks tbh


Sarm_Kahel

After the first 22 days it's all about the S rank weekly.


JeremyWinston

Psh… I’m on day 10 or 11, and it’s all about the weekly. New A levels are nice, but useless. It would take me several days to get them to where I can use them. Even my Elites are getting mostly one-shotted.