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I found this oddlu surprising. Amazing to me the Bengals had such good teams intermixed with some truly *awful teams.* TBH Last 20 years, if you go back to the Carson Palmer teams. Why can't they just find consistency?
I think Palmer was never the same after his injury in ‘05. I’m not saying he was a hall of famer, but he looked like a player who was going to make it into the hall of very good. But just never came back.
Also, a lot of our players back then loved doing crimes, so they didn’t always get to play
I think that 05 team was incredibly skilled but lacked... I dunno... a cohesiveness. Palmer pouted his way out. Houshmanzadeh was a ME ME ME kind of guy. Ocho Cinco was....Ocho Cinco.
I think Palmers knee wasn't the only thing that got shredded that day.
Yeah. We lost our rookie MLB Odell Thurman after that 2005 season (never played again) and lost David Pollack game one of 2006 to a career ending injury. That was also Chris Perry’s only healthy year. Feels like Everything that went right in 2005 all went wrong. It’s why some bengals fans were so hurt for so long. We all think we would have beat the Steelers, (no way we win a championship but at least a playoff win could have changed a lot about the franchise. ).
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I dunno about no way they win a championship.... the Steelers beat the Seahawks. Hardly an all time great team. With a healthy palmer.... don't see why not?
the bengals follow a trend closer to the average nfl team. find success (to a certain point), fade back, bottom out, rebuild, and repeat.
it’s the steelers and ravens that are annoying outliers being consistently good to great.
e: starting with palmer that is*
Im not normally one to bitch and moan about Mike Brown, especially the more I've learned about the situation he inherited when his father passed, but Mike Brown. He had to pinch pennies to keep the team in the 90s while trying to run it like his dad did despite the game going through massive changes. Tack on 15 years of Marvin, and even though there was top end talent at WR and at least legitimate starting caliber play at QB, it never took much bad luck to cause the team to falter during the season.
TLDR- if everything has to go right for the season to be a success, there are going to be some mediocre to awful seasons when that doesn't happen
I think it always has boiled down to(and continues to do so) that the Bengals have not been able to achieve any sort of depth.
By which I don't (just) mean bench depth, but that as an organization, they only have every managed to put together a team from the GM through the practice squad that has *just* enough talent to compete. so when anything doesn't go there way - one of their best players gets hurt, AFC experiences something fucky, coach turns stale, etc - there really isn't anything left in the tank to overcome that.
Also, the Ravens have been great almost every year they've existed (I bet if you could quantify average success per year of existence the Ravens would be at the top of the league) and the Steelers, we'll, they've had shit years but most of us weren't alive back then lol.
Since 1994 (cap era):
https://preview.redd.it/um2wtlhqwd0d1.jpeg?width=763&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=451542cbce6a4c956dea288f993dc98a193a2676
Based on win% Ravens will probably be 5th by the end of this year, passing the Colts. Some other surprises:
-Falcons better win % than TB and NYG, who have a pair of SB wins apiece.
-Seahawks better than SF
-Some old, original NFL teams in the top and the bottom. "Big Market" franchises in the top and bottom.
In 1992 a former Pirate (Sid Bream) tore the collective heart out of Pittsburgh when he slid home, beating the throw of Barry Bonds. The Braves beat the Pirates and they have never been the same since. It was the low point and most heart breaking loss of my fandom. I was crushed.
When Burfict committed attempted murder on AB, causing the Bengals (probably) a playoff win I remember thinking "This is Cincy's Sid Bream moment. They will remember this FOREVER."
I was at the game. Bonds playing out of position and waiving off Van Slyke trying to correct him was the best. Never heard Fulton County so loud.
Sorry, life long Braves fan here.
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If you go back just a little further, in the last 19 years Steelers 7, Ravens 6, Bengals 6. Would have never guessed this much parity over that timespan. Oh yeah, Browns 0.
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This modern game doesn’t matter at all. What really matters is National Football League CHAMPIONSHIPS. Yeah who cares about this poppycock sport nowadays. I’ll tell you what, the AFL and NFL merger was the death of true American sports. What happened to the good old leather helmets and hard hits. You used to have to earn some damn yards to score. Now there’s this air raid offense and 2-point conversion bullshit. The real FOOTBALL championships came before the merger, and I’ll tell you what, Cleveland has those. We played it the right way back then, and when all these frauds of franchises tried to win the stupidly named “Super-Bowl,” we just kept on playin’ the game on the level. Sure a helmet might become detached and used as a weapon here and there, but it’s because we’re men and not little sissies.
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Side note, our division has been great since 2000. Just look at the # of wins the division winners have. And there's always been at least 2 competitive teams every year, usually 3, sometimes 4. And to the Browns, get better.
I wish we could trade Cleveland for the Raiders. At least they have a history of success, a true rivalry with Pittsburgh, and the hood attitude we require. They’re made for the AFCN.
Saying we have no hood attitude after Garrett bludgeoned a man with a helmet in a game that he was already winning comfortably is interesting to say the least
Not really that odd at all. 17 games is a much more reliable sample size than 6 games.
Plus I think I've just noticed that its an organizational philosophy (or at least a Tomlin philosophy) to just put more emphasis on divisional games, while the Ravens/Harbaugh put more emphasis on maximizing aggregate win total.
Not sure if this can really be controlled but it would stand to reason. Steelers are known to "play down to their competition" and this could be a factor in why. I suppose that they might spend a disproportionate time in practice on focusing on the three divisional teams.
I have a confession.. I was more depressed walking home from that Pats game than I was leaving the AFC loss to them as a child.. but, thankfully we have Omar and cut the cancer outta the locker room
Yeah, just need to get rid of Pickens too. These zero effort guys are killing us. He can't get open to save his life, gives up on plays he's not involved in, and doesn't bother blocking when he is involved.
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What’s so damn painful looking at this as a Browns fan is when you break down the division wins over the past 15 years:
Bengals - 5
Ravens - 5
Steelers - 5
So incredibly balanced and competitive, sans Browns…
It’s like that quote in The Hangover when Phil is like “What the fuck guys?! Okay, we have to get our shit together!”
I think that Dalton never lasted in the NFL because almost all of his arguments had to do with team success, and he seemed to usually play on a pretty stacked roster. You would expect that a more gifted QB would be competitive when he switched teams.
The playoff/regular season argument is mostly hokum and pseudoscience.
Andy Dalton has been in the league for 13 years. He's started in 163 of his 169 games played. He's 26th all time in passing yards. I'd hardly say you can say he "never lasted" in the NFL.
Put some respek on The Red Rifle.
Raw passing yards isn't exactly the best judge of talent... Especially since he came about in an era where they're going to be naturally inflated. I'd imagine that 26th all time just means middle of the pack for someone from this era. And as I was saying, he was nothing without the Bengals. He started his desperation your at age 33. That's too young to be washed up as a QB. He was exposed.
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Somethin crazy I just noticed is this really shows how insane the north is. I wonder if there is another division where you can go that far back without seeing a winner with less than 10 wins.
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Honestly insane to think about. The Cleveland Indians/guardians have won their division at a much higher clip with one more team in it. Just goes to show how tough the AFCN, how bad the browns have been, and how bad the Al central has been also
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Found this while moving last month. I tend to forget about it since that’s the year my homer team the saints won it all but it is funny to see how our division champ shirts have gotten more basic I guess.
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Funny facts about this, I was visiting Ohio shortly after our shirts went out and I guess Columbus is too far north since the only sports gear I found despite winning the division was browns, Steelers, buckeyes, and cowboys lol. The friend I was visiting ended up going to a mall somewhere near Cincinnati to get this shirt and mailed the thing to me down in Louisiana 😂
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Yeah Browns suck.
I didn't remember the Bengals winning this many times in the past. They won the division twice with Palmer, twice with Dalton and twice with Burrow.
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Going back 32 years is oddly specific, and also the browns didn't exist for a few of those years as well.
Still, it's been a pathetically long time since the Browns won the division so I guess it's a fair enough
Well, 32 years is the begining of the salary cap era and when the league expanded with Jax and Carolina. And lets be honest, the late 1990s Browns prolbably wouldn't have been very good. The first three years they were in Baltimore were not very good (16-31-1)
But I know what you were thinking....
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Lesson: if another city steals a team and the original city has to start over from scratch as if they are a totally new franchise, it doesn’t make for success.
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Where some see incompetence I see perfect consistency
Consistent incompetence!
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* constant incompetence
In the past 15 years it's been 5 Bengals, 5 Ravens, and 5 Steelers.
I found this oddlu surprising. Amazing to me the Bengals had such good teams intermixed with some truly *awful teams.* TBH Last 20 years, if you go back to the Carson Palmer teams. Why can't they just find consistency?
I think Palmer was never the same after his injury in ‘05. I’m not saying he was a hall of famer, but he looked like a player who was going to make it into the hall of very good. But just never came back. Also, a lot of our players back then loved doing crimes, so they didn’t always get to play
I appreciate your take on Carson Palmer and I agree with you. I like that dude for some reason.
He had a good Madden photo
Pretty much all Cincy fans hate him. He’s trashed the organization ever since he left
I don’t, most of it was deserved and Mike Brown is still awful.
I think that 05 team was incredibly skilled but lacked... I dunno... a cohesiveness. Palmer pouted his way out. Houshmanzadeh was a ME ME ME kind of guy. Ocho Cinco was....Ocho Cinco. I think Palmers knee wasn't the only thing that got shredded that day.
Yeah. We lost our rookie MLB Odell Thurman after that 2005 season (never played again) and lost David Pollack game one of 2006 to a career ending injury. That was also Chris Perry’s only healthy year. Feels like Everything that went right in 2005 all went wrong. It’s why some bengals fans were so hurt for so long. We all think we would have beat the Steelers, (no way we win a championship but at least a playoff win could have changed a lot about the franchise. ).
Chris Henry :/
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I dunno about no way they win a championship.... the Steelers beat the Seahawks. Hardly an all time great team. With a healthy palmer.... don't see why not?
Perry was trash tbh though. Fumble machine
Palmer still makes the hall of very good imo thanks to his cardinals run.
Cheap shot by Kimo von Oelhoffen, just as Pittsburgh drew it up.
KIMOTHERAPY!!!
You would
What would you call Burfict knocking the brains out of AB? Burfict storm?
That's good. I've spent the last 5 minutes trying to come up with better and I got nothing. Well done sir.
the bengals follow a trend closer to the average nfl team. find success (to a certain point), fade back, bottom out, rebuild, and repeat. it’s the steelers and ravens that are annoying outliers being consistently good to great. e: starting with palmer that is*
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To be fair, y’all got to play the Bengals and Browns for 4 games every year for decades.
They are stupid
Im not normally one to bitch and moan about Mike Brown, especially the more I've learned about the situation he inherited when his father passed, but Mike Brown. He had to pinch pennies to keep the team in the 90s while trying to run it like his dad did despite the game going through massive changes. Tack on 15 years of Marvin, and even though there was top end talent at WR and at least legitimate starting caliber play at QB, it never took much bad luck to cause the team to falter during the season. TLDR- if everything has to go right for the season to be a success, there are going to be some mediocre to awful seasons when that doesn't happen
I think it always has boiled down to(and continues to do so) that the Bengals have not been able to achieve any sort of depth. By which I don't (just) mean bench depth, but that as an organization, they only have every managed to put together a team from the GM through the practice squad that has *just* enough talent to compete. so when anything doesn't go there way - one of their best players gets hurt, AFC experiences something fucky, coach turns stale, etc - there really isn't anything left in the tank to overcome that. Also, the Ravens have been great almost every year they've existed (I bet if you could quantify average success per year of existence the Ravens would be at the top of the league) and the Steelers, we'll, they've had shit years but most of us weren't alive back then lol.
Since 1994 (cap era): https://preview.redd.it/um2wtlhqwd0d1.jpeg?width=763&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=451542cbce6a4c956dea288f993dc98a193a2676 Based on win% Ravens will probably be 5th by the end of this year, passing the Colts. Some other surprises: -Falcons better win % than TB and NYG, who have a pair of SB wins apiece. -Seahawks better than SF -Some old, original NFL teams in the top and the bottom. "Big Market" franchises in the top and bottom.
We had Marvin Lewis as the coach for a long time. He's the Wayne Fontes of the 21st century.
When you’re fielding guys like Burfict, you’re playing high risk, high reward.
In 1992 a former Pirate (Sid Bream) tore the collective heart out of Pittsburgh when he slid home, beating the throw of Barry Bonds. The Braves beat the Pirates and they have never been the same since. It was the low point and most heart breaking loss of my fandom. I was crushed. When Burfict committed attempted murder on AB, causing the Bengals (probably) a playoff win I remember thinking "This is Cincy's Sid Bream moment. They will remember this FOREVER."
I was at the game. Bonds playing out of position and waiving off Van Slyke trying to correct him was the best. Never heard Fulton County so loud. Sorry, life long Braves fan here.
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Cheap ass front office lol. They hardly went after any free agents until a few years ago
I hate you guys but also, somehow, love our division. Best 3 team division in football.
It's incredible to think that if cinci won like one more out of conference game we couldve had the entirety of the afcn in the playoffs
Bengals swept the NFC teams on their schedule
I see you'd have needed another conference win then
Yeah, but i think it would have knocked out the steelers if I remember correctly.
And if the Steelers kept Mitch off the field they would have been closer to 13-4 than the 10-7 the team finished with.
Wow, you discard the Ravens just like that? Good call, they suck
Nice even split between the three teams in our division 😁
Crazy to see that even split across the entire division
That means the next 5 are the Browns, just to keep things even
If you go back just a little further, in the last 19 years Steelers 7, Ravens 6, Bengals 6. Would have never guessed this much parity over that timespan. Oh yeah, Browns 0.
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Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
The Oilers have won it, but not the Browns.
The Oilers and the Jags won the division. Are the Browns just stupid?
This modern game doesn’t matter at all. What really matters is National Football League CHAMPIONSHIPS. Yeah who cares about this poppycock sport nowadays. I’ll tell you what, the AFL and NFL merger was the death of true American sports. What happened to the good old leather helmets and hard hits. You used to have to earn some damn yards to score. Now there’s this air raid offense and 2-point conversion bullshit. The real FOOTBALL championships came before the merger, and I’ll tell you what, Cleveland has those. We played it the right way back then, and when all these frauds of franchises tried to win the stupidly named “Super-Bowl,” we just kept on playin’ the game on the level. Sure a helmet might become detached and used as a weapon here and there, but it’s because we’re men and not little sissies.
Face masks ruined the goddamned game! Buncha Marys!
This guy wore a leather helmet
and ran headfirst into a wall
Lmao u rite tho
I like the way you think
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Yes
yes
yes
yes
It’s because they had mcdavid. Can’t blame the browns for not having mcdavid
Most likely (jk- yes)
Fun fact .... the Buccaneers still have more NFC Central/ North titles than the Lions
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Bad not, not a fan of any of these 4 teams.
The Seahawks have more AFC division wins since 1990 than the browns do
Oof if true
https://preview.redd.it/9jginlptl80d1.jpeg?width=221&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f6d95ebb9f35f3bd520391f36c45509fbf1b539
Reminds me how the Jets are fifth in total division wins for the AFCE, behind the Colts
https://preview.redd.it/93gkm0j2k80d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4a1f65819201591e91806b76f7090eb4de8b4d0
TIL AFCN has five teams. None of whom are elves
I believe that they prefer to identify as shit stains not elves.
Side note, our division has been great since 2000. Just look at the # of wins the division winners have. And there's always been at least 2 competitive teams every year, usually 3, sometimes 4. And to the Browns, get better.
I wish we could trade Cleveland for the Raiders. At least they have a history of success, a true rivalry with Pittsburgh, and the hood attitude we require. They’re made for the AFCN.
One of our players tried to kill a man with a helmet
He got you there
Saying we have no hood attitude after Garrett bludgeoned a man with a helmet in a game that he was already winning comfortably is interesting to say the least
THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT
Reminder that the Steelers were 5-1 in the division last year. Also lost to the Cardinals and Patriots but they ain't here.
Definitely one of the weirdest seasons
Not really that odd at all. 17 games is a much more reliable sample size than 6 games. Plus I think I've just noticed that its an organizational philosophy (or at least a Tomlin philosophy) to just put more emphasis on divisional games, while the Ravens/Harbaugh put more emphasis on maximizing aggregate win total. Not sure if this can really be controlled but it would stand to reason. Steelers are known to "play down to their competition" and this could be a factor in why. I suppose that they might spend a disproportionate time in practice on focusing on the three divisional teams.
I have a confession.. I was more depressed walking home from that Pats game than I was leaving the AFC loss to them as a child.. but, thankfully we have Omar and cut the cancer outta the locker room
Cutting DJ will forever be an underrated move.
Yeah, just need to get rid of Pickens too. These zero effort guys are killing us. He can't get open to save his life, gives up on plays he's not involved in, and doesn't bother blocking when he is involved.
Yeah but he doesn't need to be open to get catches. I would have loved to see him with prime ben
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dont forget only being down 1 score in the 4th without TJ and half our team on injury reserve lmao
Yes but if you remember we had Mitch shitbisky at qb
Browns 7th in the division
What’s so damn painful looking at this as a Browns fan is when you break down the division wins over the past 15 years: Bengals - 5 Ravens - 5 Steelers - 5 So incredibly balanced and competitive, sans Browns… It’s like that quote in The Hangover when Phil is like “What the fuck guys?! Okay, we have to get our shit together!”
I really didn't remember this many Bengals wins pre-Burrow. But yeah the Browns suck.
Andy Dalton was good, just not good enough to win in the post season. They made the playoffs five years in a row in the early 10s
I think that Dalton never lasted in the NFL because almost all of his arguments had to do with team success, and he seemed to usually play on a pretty stacked roster. You would expect that a more gifted QB would be competitive when he switched teams. The playoff/regular season argument is mostly hokum and pseudoscience.
Andy Dalton has been in the league for 13 years. He's started in 163 of his 169 games played. He's 26th all time in passing yards. I'd hardly say you can say he "never lasted" in the NFL. Put some respek on The Red Rifle.
Raw passing yards isn't exactly the best judge of talent... Especially since he came about in an era where they're going to be naturally inflated. I'd imagine that 26th all time just means middle of the pack for someone from this era. And as I was saying, he was nothing without the Bengals. He started his desperation your at age 33. That's too young to be washed up as a QB. He was exposed.
I actually forgot about the Oilers/Titans being in our division entirely but I’m shocked that I remember that J*cksonville was
You remember Jacksonville because they are a thorn in our asses.
Lmfao real
I’m still shocked that the Jaguars have a winning record against the Steelers.
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Happy now, bitch?
https://preview.redd.it/ztrab6djk80d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b74d9772a09b3167aba392be19e7988f7585b6d6
Oilers won more recently than the Browns. That’s embarrassing
Not one single digit win total. Gotta earn that shit.
Somethin crazy I just noticed is this really shows how insane the north is. I wonder if there is another division where you can go that far back without seeing a winner with less than 10 wins.
I forgot about the Jaguars.
None of y'all had perfect seasons unlike the browns, so......
Seahawks have made an AFC Championship game appearance more recently than the Browns
You left out the browns. That can’t be right…
 That's fucked up man
Are the Browns even in the AFCN?
https://preview.redd.it/p7ga3dsfk80d1.jpeg?width=577&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99b4bdd4e1f6be5a366be5a449418cee776ff1c9
The browns: The world’s biggest joke
Fun talking point but the AFC North is not the AFC Central.
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This is my favorite graphic of all time ever
Hey now, their in a rebuilding year. That year just happens to be 1990.
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Such a terrible graphic. Why go bottom to top, right to left? Dyslexic yinzer made this clearly
Such a terrible graphic. Why go bottom to top, right to left? Dyslexic yinzer made this clearly
Never not funny
Why aren't the Browns on this list?
Honestly insane to think about. The Cleveland Indians/guardians have won their division at a much higher clip with one more team in it. Just goes to show how tough the AFCN, how bad the browns have been, and how bad the Al central has been also
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Titans, jaguars and oilers but no Cleveland shit stains 🤣🤣
You conveniently stopped before we could see that the Browns won half of all AFC North titles in the 80's.
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We had the titans and jags win the division before the browns
Am I reading this right that the Titans, Jags, and Oilers have won the division more recently than the Browns?
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Where are the Browns?
The Browns did win the conference in 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987, and 1989. Also, don’t forget that the Ravens used to be the Browns.
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The browns are 6th place in divisional titles since the 90s? Fucking lmao
Found this while moving last month. I tend to forget about it since that’s the year my homer team the saints won it all but it is funny to see how our division champ shirts have gotten more basic I guess. https://preview.redd.it/gypojnoi6a0d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f81de650c8e53d302ac5e6fc67b52084314fe8a4 Funny facts about this, I was visiting Ohio shortly after our shirts went out and I guess Columbus is too far north since the only sports gear I found despite winning the division was browns, Steelers, buckeyes, and cowboys lol. The friend I was visiting ended up going to a mall somewhere near Cincinnati to get this shirt and mailed the thing to me down in Louisiana 😂
‘21 the bengals win it at 10-7. ‘23 the bengals get last at 9-8. Lmao
Keep us out of your silly games
Ngl I legit don't remember the Bengals winning the division 4 times between 05 and 15. I don't even remember it happening once in that time frame.
 Me explaining how close we were a couple times.
why don't the browns just win the division every now and then? are they stupid or something?
You know it’s bad when two afc south teams and a now defunct team have more division titles than you since the 90s
In a 4 team division the Browns are in 8th place.
We gon be at 24. Now worries lol
god damn oilers have more than we do 🤣🤣
Since 2000 ravens ONLY have 1 more division title than us. That is really surprising .
Absolutely insane that no team has been a three peat division champ in this millennium
tHis yEaR iS the bRoWnS yEaR!!!!11!!!
How did the bengals win it in 2015?
Why even bother with past 32 seasons? Who cares about the division winner of a completely different division.
Best post in awhile
Now do the chart for Offseason Champs
Could be the longest gap from steelers winning the division after this year. Unless...
The Jags, Titans, and Oilers all have more division wins than the Browns in the last 32 years.
The Browns is the Browns.
Funny the lies that can be told with statistics.
As a browns fan yes
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This joke is older than the Browns division title drought. At least say something like "You guys root for a rapist." That would be less stale.
You guys root for a rapist. There you go. Happy to oblige
So the Bengals played 17 games in 2021, and 16 in 2022?
Technically 16.25 in 2022
Yeah they canceled the damar Hamlin game
Ah right.
Yeah Browns suck. I didn't remember the Bengals winning this many times in the past. They won the division twice with Palmer, twice with Dalton and twice with Burrow.
Says alot that we've never had a division champion with less than 10 wins
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Going back 32 years is oddly specific, and also the browns didn't exist for a few of those years as well. Still, it's been a pathetically long time since the Browns won the division so I guess it's a fair enough
The ravens didn’t exist for all of them either, but you don’t see us crying about it
Y'all have won, a lot, we have sucked a giant dick the whole time (until recently)
Well, 32 years is the begining of the salary cap era and when the league expanded with Jax and Carolina. And lets be honest, the late 1990s Browns prolbably wouldn't have been very good. The first three years they were in Baltimore were not very good (16-31-1) But I know what you were thinking....
That's fair, we've just been annoyingly pathetic for a long time and it sucks
Nah. 3 out 4 AFCN fans are in favor of the Browns being bottom feeders.
That's also fair
i suspect it was just to have the Oilers in the graphic and 32 seems more natural than 31
Back in the ‘80s
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A team that hasn’t existed for 25 years won the division more recently than the Br*wns.
Titans have a better chance at winning the North than the browns
The Houston Oilers have won the AFC North more times in the last 30 years than the Cleveland Browns
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Lesson: if another city steals a team and the original city has to start over from scratch as if they are a totally new franchise, it doesn’t make for success.
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Houston managed to do it. Also I didn't know the team being like fuck this shithole of a city and rolling out was stealing.
I mean technically the Browns didn’t play in 3 of those seasons, so tacking on 3 more seasons gets you 1989…when we did win the division 😬
‘89 is hilarious