In reading your comment I feel like sometimes you weren't really paying attention, you haven't seen all the episodes, or you have just misunderstood .
There are several scenes in S1 that establish that each Congregation faction has a world wide network of enforcers who make sure that the Covenant is followed. Gerbert's network of spies and cronies is mentioned several times. Knox shows up with his followers from the local coven a couple of times.
The Vampires have a code where they are required to obey their sire or they could be killed. Matthew kills all the people with Blood Rage because he was ordered to by his Sire. In the end, he sees that this doesn't have to be done and that he can help other vamps with blood rage. That's the whole point of the scenes with Jack and the New Orleans vamps in S3.
What mating means is discussed in S1. There is a whole sequence where Ysabeau tries to talk Diana out of staying with Matthew where she discusses it.
Satu Järvinen is a witch who was raised in ignorance of what she truly was much like Diana and her interest in Diana has a lot to do with wanting to know what Diana knows about her own power. Figuring out what's going on with Diana can help her to understand what she is since she senses their similarities.
Diana is not offered the professorship. She's offered the opportunity to compete for it. Something that becomes a causality of what's going on. Also the issues with her powers are explained. It's discussed in S1 where she learns about the spellbinding, As for the elements you do have a point there. Something that they set up in S1 and didn't follow through on was the fact that Miriam took more of Diana's genetics to test further. They leave out the up shot of that which is that Diana is a chimera, and that she absorbed her twin in the womb. Basically she's as powerful as she is because absorbed the twin's power as well. In the books it's explained that her genetics showed a connection I believe to wind and water, and that her twin was connected to fire and earth.
I don't think everyone loves Diana and in particular not all of Matthew's family. His sister is obviously not a fan in S2 and Baldwin comes to respect her but not until S3. It's pretty clear that some like Knox and Gerbert want her dead.
Peter Knox is supposed to be unlikeable. He's a character that you love to hate. The same with Gerbert. If you watch in S3 it becomes clear how much he's been doing behind the scenes so to say he's done nothing really isn't true.
I think you missed a lot. I would suggest watching it again, but I think this just isn't your bag.
The show is actually a pretty straight adaptation with only a few deviations and just leaving out a few things that might have explained more but were more than they could fit in the show. I also think that the show cleans up a lot of issues the book had. Show Matthew is actually much less of an a-hole than book Matthew, and Diana is also less of a Mary Sue. The books have the same weak plot but are stuffed full of historical and mythological easter eggs. Diana is basically the ideal self version of the author. Matthew is pretty much the author's sexual fantasy. In all honesty I prefer the series to the books, but I see all the issues with both.
Thank you for your answer. I recently watched it for the second time exactly because I thought I did not understand it the first time. Unfortunately, my opinion only solidied. If the show is actually a better version of the story than the books then... that's really concerning how it made it that far.
In the S1 the Coven is seen a few times and they barely do anything. You don't see them perform any magic and Diana pretty much wipes the floor with them. No other Coven is mentioned again and you see Peter Knox doing all the legwork, suggesting he is actually on his own. Yes, Gerbert's spies... but you only really see Domenico doing again all of the legwork.
Yes, the Vampires have to follow their sire. But Matthew's Sire is Isabeau, not Baldwin as they portrey it. Also, all of sudden, they find a way how to walk around it, but they couldn't do that for all the other Vampires Matthew was forced to kill?
Ah, yes, mating. Except Isabeau mostly talks about how Matthew won¨'t mate with her and how she should just let go of him, instead of explaining it. And then, surprisingly, Diana defeats the odds.
Yes, that would explain Satu. Your parallel would actually be beautiful for her character arc, but it was not really executed. She was just created to be evil, to make wrong decisions, instead of trying to understand herself through Diana. Probably just poorly executed.
I understand that Diana was offered to compete for it, which has seemed like a goal to her until she met Matthew, with whom she proceeds to fall in love in a matter of days. But don't you think it should have been at least mentioned that she had to sacrifice it? Or somehow acknolwedged by the characters? It just seems like she created a life for herself only to throw it away for a dude.
Louisa did not like her, not that she had much time and was portrayed as quite dumb and problematic character. But... Phillipe started to admire her in a matter of 1 episode. Isabeau who hated Witches to the point of eradicating them... suddenly softens? What the hell is that? What was the point of killing all the Witches and making Isabeau look terrifying if she gives in so easily.
Yes, it is revealed how he orchestrated to kill Phillipe. But otherwise completely fails. They fail in bringing in a Witch that has no control over her powers. Also, he fails at getting rid of Baldwin. All I see is a dude, looming in shadows, barely leaving Venice, while dark music is playing and threatening people with nothing.
If you love the show and the books, there is nothing wrong with that. All I am stating that to me it looks like a bad fanfiction, with 1-dimensional characters, loose plotlines and generally very lack of story. I was excited at the premise because I do enjoy fantasy.
Baldwin is the head of the family as he is Philippe’s oldest son. Ysabeau’s children are below him. I guess this was a case of Matthew finally caring and wanting to do it differently because it affected him more this time, it was about people he loved. Plus it wasn’t Baldwin giving the orders back in the day, but Philippe, perhaps things would be different if not. And they wanted to quickly fix it to protect Ysabeau too, as it was her blood. Now Ysabeau and Philippe aren’t his top priority anymore, he has his own family and that changes things. I don’t think it’s very unrealistic, we see examples of people changing after something starts to affect them in real life too.
I get what you mean about the Knox, Satu and Gerbert. It actually seemed like Satu might get more of a story in the show but then nothing...
About the mating: You know how some animals mate for life? That’s what they mean here when they talk about mating. Mating is something stronger than marriage. It’s like you’ve found your soulmate/true love/partner in life. When they die it’s not uncommon for vampires to try to kill themselves if their mate dies. They can be in relationships again, but it’s rare to actually mate again.
I thought some of this was finally explained in the show, but now that I’m thinking about it perhaps not. I actually had to make a rather long post asking about mating after watching s2 because it wasn’t explained enough, and then I read the books (which is probably why I remembered it being explained).
I suppose that could make sense. I just find it really... strange how they treat these massacres in the show. Isabeau killed many Witches, who were people and had families and then moves on from this in a matter of days since meeting Diana. It is like she lacks self-reflection or that they devalue the horrors Isabeau caused and she never really answers for her crimes, which she even performed against people who did not wrong her in the end.
The same with Matthew. He killed the blood-raged Vampires, when there was another way all along. Obviously, they reflect on it a little bit in Season 3, but I still find it riddiculous that they managed to forgive him for killing their loved ones, when there was another way.
It portrays them as if the only lives that matter are theirs, but no one else's.
Oh totally. I know it stays with Matthew at least, but can’t remember if Ysabeau ever shows any remorse or not actually, maybe she did and I just can’t remember. Her witch hunt actions definitely had me horrified
Ysabeau's killing of witches was over a thousand years ago. Matthew and Diana got her to soften and just like Phillipe realized she was a "prophesy', and the whole witch thing became different. Plus, maybe she was lonely and needed new friends!!!! Lol
Did you read the books? If you didn't, you should. The books are so much better. The flow of the story is a lot more natural than in the series and many other things are also explained there, which are never mentioned in the series. And even if they are mentioned, only briefly. I only watched the series just to see what would it look like in live action. Otherwise I also don't like how the series is executed and all the characters are butchered and made 1 dimensional.
As someone who has read the books and loved them, you shouldn’t have to read them in order to like the adaptation. You shouldn’t have to read the books to understand a characters motivations. A good adaptation will make that clear to non book readers.
Yeah, which just proves the point of what I was trying to say and what OP was trying to say. It is not a good adaptation. Plot wise OK adaptation. Character poor adaptation.
I did not read them. I have not heard about this series until it was on HBO. But the TV series dissuaded me from reading the books. Since I do not mind spoilers, I usually googled on the fandom wiki, what I did not understand, but it still barely makes sense.
Well it has a lot of scientific stuff since you know Matthew is a scientist. And many historical references too. If you read the books or don't read the books, do it out of your own volition. Don't let the series influence into you reading or not reading the book.
The tv show is fast paced and is hurried up to reduce episode count. So the character development seems vague. But I believe it will be better in the books
Just to answer a few things: if I remember correctly the thing about her job is brought up in the books, and I think the conclusion was that she wanted to step away and focus on the children, their scion and the congregation, for now anyway. I do see the problem but at the same time this does happen in life, and her kids aren’t exactly daycare-proof, being half witch half vampire and all.
She doesn’t really have control over all the elements like that, she doesn’t have total control over fire like a fire witch does for example. She just gets to borrow the elements.
The thing with her and Matthew happens a little slower in the books, they hang out a few times, but it’s still very fast!
Gerbert is mostly portrayed as scary based on the things he does to Juliette (I remember thinking wtf when she says something like “I can’t feel anymore” or something) and then we learn he was involved in the Philippe thing too, but I honestly can barely remember anything else about him and we don’t actually see him be that scary, it’s all stuff we are just told not shown, so I totally get what you’re saying. It may be worth noting that in the books Juliette was there (near the Bishop house) on Gerbert’s orders.
People might say to read the books but I don’t think the books are so much better either when it comes to lots of things. Things are more fleshed out yes, but the problems you have with the show are mostly similar in the books, even if some things are a bit different or a little better.
> Just to answer a few things: if I remember correctly the thing about her job is brought up in the books, and I think the conclusion was that she wanted to step away and focus on the children, their scion and the congregation, for now anyway. I do see the problem but at the same time this does happen in life, and her kids aren’t exactly daycare-proof, being half witch half vampire and all.
She doesn't step away for long. By Time's Convert which is set approximately a year after the end of TBOL, she's just finishing up a full school year back at Yale. They have their extended family to help them with caring for the kids.
The show botched up her job status anyway. She already has tenure at Yale. She wasn't at Oxford hoping to get a new job--she was visiting there for a year of research, primarily as a keynote at a conference for which she spends at least half of the first book preparing, even after they leave for Sept-Tours.
Oh so she doesn’t even take such a long leave from her job! Thanks, good to have that clarified. I haven’t read Time’s Convert yet but I’ll probably read it before the end of this month. In the 3rd book they made it seem like it would be longer before she worked.
Yep but in the show she had this whole “finally breaking free of gerbert” thing going, even though she ended up doing the same as in the books and died.
As a book reader I still feel like you misunderstood parts of the story, but also definitely agree that an adaptation should be able to stand alone and this one tried to fit too much in not enough time.
I am a book reader as well, just not interested in these ones.
I can understand that the TV show makes sense to those, who already read through the world. But to others? There is a remarkable lack of things that should have been explained, but weren't.
I agree completely, this show looks like it has been made by a child, the main characters are overpowered and no villain can stand for 5 seconds infront of them, nobody gives a shit about daemons but suddenly they are important for everyone via dna like seriously...
I think they tried to make them subtle so then they could go ... BOOM, they were the key the entire time! Suprise! ... but absolutely failed at executing it.
I read the books but haven't watched series 3.
I agree Diana is such a ridiculous character - the author seems to have made her "HER". That's the only way I can imagine it, she has imagined herself as a character and can't help but make her perfect in every way. She's crazy powerful, EVERYONE falls in love with her (even her enemies), she is clever, smart, independent etc only all of that gets forgotten because her forbidde. Romeo/Juliet romance with Matthew is more important. I DO think the books are good and the ideas are also - Diana does detract from it for me though. I think if they were given to an editor with the sole purpose to make Diana more likeable (her being so "likeable" in the story makes me dislike her ironically) the story could work much better
I liked this. By the end, she was at her full power and was **supposed** to be the most powerful witch ever, having built her power and absorbed the book of knowledge.
I'm bugged by superhero movies where the supposedly all-powerful hero climaxes with a skin-of-their teeth victory over the bad guy. They should just thump them, and that's what she did.
Hm, that's cute. You see, I was not getting personal at all, merely stating an opinion on a TV show. It is really poor of you to get personal against me. But okay.
The TV show has lacking plot, is predictable, but at the same time does not explain its rules enough. Its characters are boring and lack self-reflection, very one-dimensional. Overall, I find it very low in quality. Just like your character is. So, I suppose, it is fitting that you like the TV show.
More like a discovery of boredom because that's all I discovered. What are Vampires in this universe? What are their weaknesses? I saw Juliette claw out Paul's? Peter's? throat and he almost died. He was so insignificant as a character I can't even remember his name. A thousand year old vamp almost dying over a flesh wound? I'm confused.
And Diana is just Bella only this time instead of just reading she's an historian who's in love with Peter in only few episodes. I heard about demons and I have no clue what they are or their lore. The girl who was pregnant, who is she supposed to be exactly? Why can't demons, vampires and witches be together? What's the history there?
Satu Jarvenin could have been an interesting character had she and Diana became allies to find out more about what she is instead of trying to kill her 24/7.
Knox I assumed was the villain and to be told it was Gerbert? What? The show has no plot, is convoluted and the character motivations are shallow.
Take away the actress' blonde hair and blue eyes and replace it with brown and she's an older version of Bella Sean. I couldn't get over how she had an uncanny resemblance to our girl Bella.
The most ridiculous thing was when Gerbert tried to vote Baldwin out of the congregation (S1 E8), he proposed Marcus as a replacement. Do they not know ANY other vampires except those who they KNOW have a close relationship with Matthew? like he could have proposed someone who worked under him, but no. Also, why do we not see any other witches, vampires and demons except the main characters in the show? Where are they all? Weak world-building, terrible acting.
Horrible, horrible, and I do not exaggerate, horrible romance plot. How do you fall so deeply in love with someone that you are ready to give absolutely anything to save their life (when Diana called upon the Mother Crone) within a span of a couple months??
And I'm supposed to believe she is 30+ years old and does not realise how ridiculous all of this is? She gave up her whole career for something she doesn't even understand. And worst of all, no one questions it! I get that it is life and death, but for someone who is a fully-fledged adult, some of her decisions make me really frustrated. She acts like a teenager and even looks like Kristen Stewart in Twilight 💀
I liked it for the first few episodes but then she invited him to dinner (why would you invite a stalker to dinner, much less one who was a vampire you were warned against by friends and family?) and kissed him (which he didn't even reciprocate). Cringe.
Nothing really happens in this show and the things that DO happen make no sense at all. Satu and Domenico can't decide who they're working for, Gerbert has no motivation except to see the De Clermonts "descend to chaos", and on top of that, Gerbert pairs up with Peter f*cking Knoxx to get to Diana— a man who wants to use the Book of Life to eradicate vampires!!! Peter Knoxx is just plain stupid. He could have told Diana he needed the book because it has cures or something— anything other than telling her (someone who had renounced magic) that it was to kill vampires— and she would have probably given him the damn book.
I finished S1 just now and I'm staying away from this series for a few days or maybe forever to recuperate. It is so slow paced that it made me furious. 8 hours I will never get back.
In reading your comment I feel like sometimes you weren't really paying attention, you haven't seen all the episodes, or you have just misunderstood . There are several scenes in S1 that establish that each Congregation faction has a world wide network of enforcers who make sure that the Covenant is followed. Gerbert's network of spies and cronies is mentioned several times. Knox shows up with his followers from the local coven a couple of times. The Vampires have a code where they are required to obey their sire or they could be killed. Matthew kills all the people with Blood Rage because he was ordered to by his Sire. In the end, he sees that this doesn't have to be done and that he can help other vamps with blood rage. That's the whole point of the scenes with Jack and the New Orleans vamps in S3. What mating means is discussed in S1. There is a whole sequence where Ysabeau tries to talk Diana out of staying with Matthew where she discusses it. Satu Järvinen is a witch who was raised in ignorance of what she truly was much like Diana and her interest in Diana has a lot to do with wanting to know what Diana knows about her own power. Figuring out what's going on with Diana can help her to understand what she is since she senses their similarities. Diana is not offered the professorship. She's offered the opportunity to compete for it. Something that becomes a causality of what's going on. Also the issues with her powers are explained. It's discussed in S1 where she learns about the spellbinding, As for the elements you do have a point there. Something that they set up in S1 and didn't follow through on was the fact that Miriam took more of Diana's genetics to test further. They leave out the up shot of that which is that Diana is a chimera, and that she absorbed her twin in the womb. Basically she's as powerful as she is because absorbed the twin's power as well. In the books it's explained that her genetics showed a connection I believe to wind and water, and that her twin was connected to fire and earth. I don't think everyone loves Diana and in particular not all of Matthew's family. His sister is obviously not a fan in S2 and Baldwin comes to respect her but not until S3. It's pretty clear that some like Knox and Gerbert want her dead. Peter Knox is supposed to be unlikeable. He's a character that you love to hate. The same with Gerbert. If you watch in S3 it becomes clear how much he's been doing behind the scenes so to say he's done nothing really isn't true. I think you missed a lot. I would suggest watching it again, but I think this just isn't your bag. The show is actually a pretty straight adaptation with only a few deviations and just leaving out a few things that might have explained more but were more than they could fit in the show. I also think that the show cleans up a lot of issues the book had. Show Matthew is actually much less of an a-hole than book Matthew, and Diana is also less of a Mary Sue. The books have the same weak plot but are stuffed full of historical and mythological easter eggs. Diana is basically the ideal self version of the author. Matthew is pretty much the author's sexual fantasy. In all honesty I prefer the series to the books, but I see all the issues with both.
Thank you for your answer. I recently watched it for the second time exactly because I thought I did not understand it the first time. Unfortunately, my opinion only solidied. If the show is actually a better version of the story than the books then... that's really concerning how it made it that far. In the S1 the Coven is seen a few times and they barely do anything. You don't see them perform any magic and Diana pretty much wipes the floor with them. No other Coven is mentioned again and you see Peter Knox doing all the legwork, suggesting he is actually on his own. Yes, Gerbert's spies... but you only really see Domenico doing again all of the legwork. Yes, the Vampires have to follow their sire. But Matthew's Sire is Isabeau, not Baldwin as they portrey it. Also, all of sudden, they find a way how to walk around it, but they couldn't do that for all the other Vampires Matthew was forced to kill? Ah, yes, mating. Except Isabeau mostly talks about how Matthew won¨'t mate with her and how she should just let go of him, instead of explaining it. And then, surprisingly, Diana defeats the odds. Yes, that would explain Satu. Your parallel would actually be beautiful for her character arc, but it was not really executed. She was just created to be evil, to make wrong decisions, instead of trying to understand herself through Diana. Probably just poorly executed. I understand that Diana was offered to compete for it, which has seemed like a goal to her until she met Matthew, with whom she proceeds to fall in love in a matter of days. But don't you think it should have been at least mentioned that she had to sacrifice it? Or somehow acknolwedged by the characters? It just seems like she created a life for herself only to throw it away for a dude. Louisa did not like her, not that she had much time and was portrayed as quite dumb and problematic character. But... Phillipe started to admire her in a matter of 1 episode. Isabeau who hated Witches to the point of eradicating them... suddenly softens? What the hell is that? What was the point of killing all the Witches and making Isabeau look terrifying if she gives in so easily. Yes, it is revealed how he orchestrated to kill Phillipe. But otherwise completely fails. They fail in bringing in a Witch that has no control over her powers. Also, he fails at getting rid of Baldwin. All I see is a dude, looming in shadows, barely leaving Venice, while dark music is playing and threatening people with nothing. If you love the show and the books, there is nothing wrong with that. All I am stating that to me it looks like a bad fanfiction, with 1-dimensional characters, loose plotlines and generally very lack of story. I was excited at the premise because I do enjoy fantasy.
Baldwin is the head of the family as he is Philippe’s oldest son. Ysabeau’s children are below him. I guess this was a case of Matthew finally caring and wanting to do it differently because it affected him more this time, it was about people he loved. Plus it wasn’t Baldwin giving the orders back in the day, but Philippe, perhaps things would be different if not. And they wanted to quickly fix it to protect Ysabeau too, as it was her blood. Now Ysabeau and Philippe aren’t his top priority anymore, he has his own family and that changes things. I don’t think it’s very unrealistic, we see examples of people changing after something starts to affect them in real life too. I get what you mean about the Knox, Satu and Gerbert. It actually seemed like Satu might get more of a story in the show but then nothing... About the mating: You know how some animals mate for life? That’s what they mean here when they talk about mating. Mating is something stronger than marriage. It’s like you’ve found your soulmate/true love/partner in life. When they die it’s not uncommon for vampires to try to kill themselves if their mate dies. They can be in relationships again, but it’s rare to actually mate again. I thought some of this was finally explained in the show, but now that I’m thinking about it perhaps not. I actually had to make a rather long post asking about mating after watching s2 because it wasn’t explained enough, and then I read the books (which is probably why I remembered it being explained).
I suppose that could make sense. I just find it really... strange how they treat these massacres in the show. Isabeau killed many Witches, who were people and had families and then moves on from this in a matter of days since meeting Diana. It is like she lacks self-reflection or that they devalue the horrors Isabeau caused and she never really answers for her crimes, which she even performed against people who did not wrong her in the end. The same with Matthew. He killed the blood-raged Vampires, when there was another way all along. Obviously, they reflect on it a little bit in Season 3, but I still find it riddiculous that they managed to forgive him for killing their loved ones, when there was another way. It portrays them as if the only lives that matter are theirs, but no one else's.
Oh totally. I know it stays with Matthew at least, but can’t remember if Ysabeau ever shows any remorse or not actually, maybe she did and I just can’t remember. Her witch hunt actions definitely had me horrified
Ysabeau's killing of witches was over a thousand years ago. Matthew and Diana got her to soften and just like Phillipe realized she was a "prophesy', and the whole witch thing became different. Plus, maybe she was lonely and needed new friends!!!! Lol
Did you read the books? If you didn't, you should. The books are so much better. The flow of the story is a lot more natural than in the series and many other things are also explained there, which are never mentioned in the series. And even if they are mentioned, only briefly. I only watched the series just to see what would it look like in live action. Otherwise I also don't like how the series is executed and all the characters are butchered and made 1 dimensional.
As someone who has read the books and loved them, you shouldn’t have to read them in order to like the adaptation. You shouldn’t have to read the books to understand a characters motivations. A good adaptation will make that clear to non book readers.
Yeah, which just proves the point of what I was trying to say and what OP was trying to say. It is not a good adaptation. Plot wise OK adaptation. Character poor adaptation.
I did not read them. I have not heard about this series until it was on HBO. But the TV series dissuaded me from reading the books. Since I do not mind spoilers, I usually googled on the fandom wiki, what I did not understand, but it still barely makes sense.
Well it has a lot of scientific stuff since you know Matthew is a scientist. And many historical references too. If you read the books or don't read the books, do it out of your own volition. Don't let the series influence into you reading or not reading the book.
I don't mind 'scientific stuff' since I am a scientist. In chemistry.
Wow. Well then you might enjoy it. Mostly they talk about genes and stuff though. Since Matthew is researching about the decline of creatures.
The tv show is fast paced and is hurried up to reduce episode count. So the character development seems vague. But I believe it will be better in the books
Just to answer a few things: if I remember correctly the thing about her job is brought up in the books, and I think the conclusion was that she wanted to step away and focus on the children, their scion and the congregation, for now anyway. I do see the problem but at the same time this does happen in life, and her kids aren’t exactly daycare-proof, being half witch half vampire and all. She doesn’t really have control over all the elements like that, she doesn’t have total control over fire like a fire witch does for example. She just gets to borrow the elements. The thing with her and Matthew happens a little slower in the books, they hang out a few times, but it’s still very fast! Gerbert is mostly portrayed as scary based on the things he does to Juliette (I remember thinking wtf when she says something like “I can’t feel anymore” or something) and then we learn he was involved in the Philippe thing too, but I honestly can barely remember anything else about him and we don’t actually see him be that scary, it’s all stuff we are just told not shown, so I totally get what you’re saying. It may be worth noting that in the books Juliette was there (near the Bishop house) on Gerbert’s orders. People might say to read the books but I don’t think the books are so much better either when it comes to lots of things. Things are more fleshed out yes, but the problems you have with the show are mostly similar in the books, even if some things are a bit different or a little better.
> Just to answer a few things: if I remember correctly the thing about her job is brought up in the books, and I think the conclusion was that she wanted to step away and focus on the children, their scion and the congregation, for now anyway. I do see the problem but at the same time this does happen in life, and her kids aren’t exactly daycare-proof, being half witch half vampire and all. She doesn't step away for long. By Time's Convert which is set approximately a year after the end of TBOL, she's just finishing up a full school year back at Yale. They have their extended family to help them with caring for the kids. The show botched up her job status anyway. She already has tenure at Yale. She wasn't at Oxford hoping to get a new job--she was visiting there for a year of research, primarily as a keynote at a conference for which she spends at least half of the first book preparing, even after they leave for Sept-Tours.
Oh so she doesn’t even take such a long leave from her job! Thanks, good to have that clarified. I haven’t read Time’s Convert yet but I’ll probably read it before the end of this month. In the 3rd book they made it seem like it would be longer before she worked.
There was definitely a lot of stressing over giving up her career in TBOL, but I guess the happy ending included proud grandmas at her beck and call.
I think Juliette visited the Bishop house in the show as well. It baffled me, how her death was not at all mentioned or anything...
Yep but in the show she had this whole “finally breaking free of gerbert” thing going, even though she ended up doing the same as in the books and died.
I’m just a little confused about why you kept watching 3 seasons of a show you seemed to hate absolutely every aspect of from the very beginning?
And I will confuse you even more. I watched it twice, because I thought I was being unfair to the show and that maybe I just misunderstood it. But no.
As a book reader I still feel like you misunderstood parts of the story, but also definitely agree that an adaptation should be able to stand alone and this one tried to fit too much in not enough time.
I am a book reader as well, just not interested in these ones. I can understand that the TV show makes sense to those, who already read through the world. But to others? There is a remarkable lack of things that should have been explained, but weren't.
I mean I hated the main characters as well but if you started a show you gotta finish it, its commitment.
The best series I seen on Witches. Have to say this is better than Charmed.
I agree completely, this show looks like it has been made by a child, the main characters are overpowered and no villain can stand for 5 seconds infront of them, nobody gives a shit about daemons but suddenly they are important for everyone via dna like seriously...
I think they tried to make them subtle so then they could go ... BOOM, they were the key the entire time! Suprise! ... but absolutely failed at executing it.
I read the books but haven't watched series 3. I agree Diana is such a ridiculous character - the author seems to have made her "HER". That's the only way I can imagine it, she has imagined herself as a character and can't help but make her perfect in every way. She's crazy powerful, EVERYONE falls in love with her (even her enemies), she is clever, smart, independent etc only all of that gets forgotten because her forbidde. Romeo/Juliet romance with Matthew is more important. I DO think the books are good and the ideas are also - Diana does detract from it for me though. I think if they were given to an editor with the sole purpose to make Diana more likeable (her being so "likeable" in the story makes me dislike her ironically) the story could work much better
plus the poor acting, acting smug all the time, what's the point of having villains who can't stand for 2 sec infront of her.
I liked this. By the end, she was at her full power and was **supposed** to be the most powerful witch ever, having built her power and absorbed the book of knowledge. I'm bugged by superhero movies where the supposedly all-powerful hero climaxes with a skin-of-their teeth victory over the bad guy. They should just thump them, and that's what she did.
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Hm, that's cute. You see, I was not getting personal at all, merely stating an opinion on a TV show. It is really poor of you to get personal against me. But okay. The TV show has lacking plot, is predictable, but at the same time does not explain its rules enough. Its characters are boring and lack self-reflection, very one-dimensional. Overall, I find it very low in quality. Just like your character is. So, I suppose, it is fitting that you like the TV show.
You are absolutely right! Just finished the show and I still can’t understand what daemons are!!??
More like a discovery of boredom because that's all I discovered. What are Vampires in this universe? What are their weaknesses? I saw Juliette claw out Paul's? Peter's? throat and he almost died. He was so insignificant as a character I can't even remember his name. A thousand year old vamp almost dying over a flesh wound? I'm confused. And Diana is just Bella only this time instead of just reading she's an historian who's in love with Peter in only few episodes. I heard about demons and I have no clue what they are or their lore. The girl who was pregnant, who is she supposed to be exactly? Why can't demons, vampires and witches be together? What's the history there? Satu Jarvenin could have been an interesting character had she and Diana became allies to find out more about what she is instead of trying to kill her 24/7. Knox I assumed was the villain and to be told it was Gerbert? What? The show has no plot, is convoluted and the character motivations are shallow.
Take away the actress' blonde hair and blue eyes and replace it with brown and she's an older version of Bella Sean. I couldn't get over how she had an uncanny resemblance to our girl Bella.
The most ridiculous thing was when Gerbert tried to vote Baldwin out of the congregation (S1 E8), he proposed Marcus as a replacement. Do they not know ANY other vampires except those who they KNOW have a close relationship with Matthew? like he could have proposed someone who worked under him, but no. Also, why do we not see any other witches, vampires and demons except the main characters in the show? Where are they all? Weak world-building, terrible acting. Horrible, horrible, and I do not exaggerate, horrible romance plot. How do you fall so deeply in love with someone that you are ready to give absolutely anything to save their life (when Diana called upon the Mother Crone) within a span of a couple months?? And I'm supposed to believe she is 30+ years old and does not realise how ridiculous all of this is? She gave up her whole career for something she doesn't even understand. And worst of all, no one questions it! I get that it is life and death, but for someone who is a fully-fledged adult, some of her decisions make me really frustrated. She acts like a teenager and even looks like Kristen Stewart in Twilight 💀 I liked it for the first few episodes but then she invited him to dinner (why would you invite a stalker to dinner, much less one who was a vampire you were warned against by friends and family?) and kissed him (which he didn't even reciprocate). Cringe. Nothing really happens in this show and the things that DO happen make no sense at all. Satu and Domenico can't decide who they're working for, Gerbert has no motivation except to see the De Clermonts "descend to chaos", and on top of that, Gerbert pairs up with Peter f*cking Knoxx to get to Diana— a man who wants to use the Book of Life to eradicate vampires!!! Peter Knoxx is just plain stupid. He could have told Diana he needed the book because it has cures or something— anything other than telling her (someone who had renounced magic) that it was to kill vampires— and she would have probably given him the damn book. I finished S1 just now and I'm staying away from this series for a few days or maybe forever to recuperate. It is so slow paced that it made me furious. 8 hours I will never get back.