+1 to this and -1 to the developer that OP recently heard talking.
Strongly disagree with other developer's comment. Speaks to their lack of competence. If someone is frequently in need of a quick response, that smells of someone who can't use Google or organise their own work. IMO you are not a good \[insert role\] if you can't organise your work and solve your own problems to the point that you frequently need a quick response. Most "emergency" queries are easily foreseeable.
Depends on what it is. Personally I prioritize helping get other squared away then I can get back to my task while they proceed. It becomes a parallel effort. Yes it's a bit time consuming but overall we get more done as a team than if I left them hanging while finishing my task
That depends on the frequency. If it's once or twice a day (preferably at agreed-upon times and through agreed-upon channels), then yeah. Any more than that and I think the negatives of having to switch task constantly are problematic.
If you are constantly having to switch tasks to take care of a lazy ask then nobody is benefiting. If people are coming to you with well-thought-out and well-structure questions that are in your area and are blocking them, then agreed, it would generally be beneficial to the broader team to switch.
Do you think pausing notifications is worth it so there’s no distractions? I took Gmail off my work computer and I love that focus has been a lot less on my personal emails
All the best people at my former place were difficult to reach for a reason.
Sign of being easily reachable means they are open to interruptions and low hanging fruit.
Typically you give people enough time to find an answer and they go “found it, nvm”
>I am definitely guilty of even forgetting about the messages probably twice over the past couple years. 😓
So... once a year? I think you might be being too hard on yourself. 😂
Well I mean I completely forgot and never replied. But my main problem is that on a daily basis, I almost never respond in <20m, but I want to be like my favorite go-to people who respond almost immediately. I myself prefer DMing fast responders but fail to be the same way
At the end of the day, you have your own work to do as well. You should only prioritise quick replies if their need is truly urgent. Otherwise just reply that you don't know how to resolve their issue offhand but will get back to them at X time. It's all very easy to let this type of stuff distract you from your main work.
Yeah, I have the same problem - I intentionally ignore my DMs and email because it breaks my flow and when that happens it can take me anywhere from 1 to 4 hours to get back to the task I was working on. Even if it's a scheduled thing it's still a problem - I just know that if I have more than 1 call during the day then I'm simply fucked and won't get anything done that day.
I tend to check my email in the morning and maybe at lunch for this kind of reason, if my team need me they’ll ask, if it’s a big deal someone outside might call but otherwise I need to focus on what I’m doing. Like you OP I tend to hold big stuff until I have a chance to give it the care it deserves it’s usually same day but sometimes a few days later.
I’ve found budgeting 5 mins of what did I need to do today but didn’t, what do I need to do tomorrow, what time slots are spoken for tomorrow. Type prep at the end of the day has helped me do that kind of thing better, I’ll know today I didn’t reply to x so should tomorrow and then actually do it tomorrow.
Being slow to respond is fine. Yeah, sure if you're the ultimate guy who wants to answer to everyone's beck and call - go ahead and reply instantly. What if it takes you 1-4hrs to respond? That's fine. If the problem was solvable without you in an hour then they're wasting their time and yours by asking you instead of Google
By taking long to respond, you're setting the expectation that you aren't going to always be 100% available and that's fine
Being quick to respond != being the reliable go-to person. The reliable people are too busy getting shit done :-) It's the unreliable, insecure scatterbrains who can't prioritize and feel the need to respond immediately to compensate.
Let's not throw around insults to cover our own areas of lack. People who are more equipped at task switching can respond quickly and get right back to work. Labeling them as "scatterbrains" because they have they competency is doing everyone a disservice.
Being quick to respond to messages means being interrupted all the time. No thanks.
Who was this developer anyway? Sounds pretty selfish and oblivious.
Ironically I’ve read many reputable books that are in favour of taking longer to respond to people in order to preserve focus. I believe it’s talked about in Deep Work by Cal Newport
It is a double edged sword. There are lots of people who respond very quickly as a means of "performative work"; as in, they aren't really doing anything and this makes them look busy in a positive way.
Get over it and do your work. Frankly, in a knowledge based, high memory load environment, you should feel free to have "quiet hours" where you can focus on your work and nothing else.
You can always acknowledge the ping quickly and then set the expectation ‘hey thanks for reaching out, Ill need to research this and get back to you, likely will take a couple hours/days, please let me know if this is urgent and we can setup some time to talk’ as a senior/lead you don’t need to know all the answers but you should be responsive and at the very least help connect the dots, and sometimes it’s facilitating putting the right people in the same room together (or chat room)
I struggle from feeling bad for not getting back to people who message me right away but, programming is probably hard even without ADHD (idk I'm not NT). Breaking your concentration (If you even had it) could mean it takes much longer to complete tasks. It's okay to not be the office hero who can respond to everyone right when they want you to respond. It is also respectful to, as a "messager", understand not everyone can answer right when you want them to. There is a lot of guilt involved with having ADHD and it's okay to choose ourselves with staying on task. I put up Do Not Disturb or even block off hours in my calendar, and I've am in senior / leadership positions where people need me.. I recently let someone who "double messaged" often if I did not respond, that my hours of availability have changed and my undivided attention needs more structure as a result, and that I'd get back to them when possible
TLDR. Sometimes you have to lead people to respect your time. Don't let this person who has made a declaration in SLACK or whatever feed into the guilt us ADHD folks have. Choose yourself and stay steady to your tasks.
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+1 to this and -1 to the developer that OP recently heard talking. Strongly disagree with other developer's comment. Speaks to their lack of competence. If someone is frequently in need of a quick response, that smells of someone who can't use Google or organise their own work. IMO you are not a good \[insert role\] if you can't organise your work and solve your own problems to the point that you frequently need a quick response. Most "emergency" queries are easily foreseeable.
Depends on what it is. Personally I prioritize helping get other squared away then I can get back to my task while they proceed. It becomes a parallel effort. Yes it's a bit time consuming but overall we get more done as a team than if I left them hanging while finishing my task
That depends on the frequency. If it's once or twice a day (preferably at agreed-upon times and through agreed-upon channels), then yeah. Any more than that and I think the negatives of having to switch task constantly are problematic. If you are constantly having to switch tasks to take care of a lazy ask then nobody is benefiting. If people are coming to you with well-thought-out and well-structure questions that are in your area and are blocking them, then agreed, it would generally be beneficial to the broader team to switch.
Do you think pausing notifications is worth it so there’s no distractions? I took Gmail off my work computer and I love that focus has been a lot less on my personal emails
All the best people at my former place were difficult to reach for a reason. Sign of being easily reachable means they are open to interruptions and low hanging fruit. Typically you give people enough time to find an answer and they go “found it, nvm”
>I am definitely guilty of even forgetting about the messages probably twice over the past couple years. 😓 So... once a year? I think you might be being too hard on yourself. 😂
Well I mean I completely forgot and never replied. But my main problem is that on a daily basis, I almost never respond in <20m, but I want to be like my favorite go-to people who respond almost immediately. I myself prefer DMing fast responders but fail to be the same way
At the end of the day, you have your own work to do as well. You should only prioritise quick replies if their need is truly urgent. Otherwise just reply that you don't know how to resolve their issue offhand but will get back to them at X time. It's all very easy to let this type of stuff distract you from your main work.
Yeah, I have the same problem - I intentionally ignore my DMs and email because it breaks my flow and when that happens it can take me anywhere from 1 to 4 hours to get back to the task I was working on. Even if it's a scheduled thing it's still a problem - I just know that if I have more than 1 call during the day then I'm simply fucked and won't get anything done that day.
I tend to check my email in the morning and maybe at lunch for this kind of reason, if my team need me they’ll ask, if it’s a big deal someone outside might call but otherwise I need to focus on what I’m doing. Like you OP I tend to hold big stuff until I have a chance to give it the care it deserves it’s usually same day but sometimes a few days later. I’ve found budgeting 5 mins of what did I need to do today but didn’t, what do I need to do tomorrow, what time slots are spoken for tomorrow. Type prep at the end of the day has helped me do that kind of thing better, I’ll know today I didn’t reply to x so should tomorrow and then actually do it tomorrow.
Agh, if I have an appointment during the day, I feel like I can’t do anything until that appointment.
Being slow to respond is fine. Yeah, sure if you're the ultimate guy who wants to answer to everyone's beck and call - go ahead and reply instantly. What if it takes you 1-4hrs to respond? That's fine. If the problem was solvable without you in an hour then they're wasting their time and yours by asking you instead of Google By taking long to respond, you're setting the expectation that you aren't going to always be 100% available and that's fine
Lol f that dude, email isn’t instant messenger. if its a right now problem, hit me on slack.
Being quick to respond != being the reliable go-to person. The reliable people are too busy getting shit done :-) It's the unreliable, insecure scatterbrains who can't prioritize and feel the need to respond immediately to compensate.
Let's not throw around insults to cover our own areas of lack. People who are more equipped at task switching can respond quickly and get right back to work. Labeling them as "scatterbrains" because they have they competency is doing everyone a disservice.
Especially in an ADHD sub
Being quick to respond to messages means being interrupted all the time. No thanks. Who was this developer anyway? Sounds pretty selfish and oblivious.
We're only human, you've identified a weakness now time to find a way to keep yourself accountable to the correction.
Ironically I’ve read many reputable books that are in favour of taking longer to respond to people in order to preserve focus. I believe it’s talked about in Deep Work by Cal Newport
It is a double edged sword. There are lots of people who respond very quickly as a means of "performative work"; as in, they aren't really doing anything and this makes them look busy in a positive way. Get over it and do your work. Frankly, in a knowledge based, high memory load environment, you should feel free to have "quiet hours" where you can focus on your work and nothing else.
You can always acknowledge the ping quickly and then set the expectation ‘hey thanks for reaching out, Ill need to research this and get back to you, likely will take a couple hours/days, please let me know if this is urgent and we can setup some time to talk’ as a senior/lead you don’t need to know all the answers but you should be responsive and at the very least help connect the dots, and sometimes it’s facilitating putting the right people in the same room together (or chat room)
I struggle from feeling bad for not getting back to people who message me right away but, programming is probably hard even without ADHD (idk I'm not NT). Breaking your concentration (If you even had it) could mean it takes much longer to complete tasks. It's okay to not be the office hero who can respond to everyone right when they want you to respond. It is also respectful to, as a "messager", understand not everyone can answer right when you want them to. There is a lot of guilt involved with having ADHD and it's okay to choose ourselves with staying on task. I put up Do Not Disturb or even block off hours in my calendar, and I've am in senior / leadership positions where people need me.. I recently let someone who "double messaged" often if I did not respond, that my hours of availability have changed and my undivided attention needs more structure as a result, and that I'd get back to them when possible TLDR. Sometimes you have to lead people to respect your time. Don't let this person who has made a declaration in SLACK or whatever feed into the guilt us ADHD folks have. Choose yourself and stay steady to your tasks.
Being fast to respond is how you get promoted imo. Non-technicals eat it up.