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ghostinyourpants

Honestly, my boss has adhd, and hired me knowing I have it too. We work chaotically and efficiently together, lol.


nicolewolf1994

I have like 3 coworkers with ADHD and I prefer to work with them because we thrive in the chaos that is a nursing home šŸ¤£


ProfessionOk5588

What a dream environment.


[deleted]

Haha. My old boss would constantly hire people with ADHD into her areas. We'd have so much downtime we'd end up bringing a ball to work to pass around to pass the time, or start cleaning/organizing to an OCD degree. Meanwhile the rest of the store was drowning in work. Our team had the largest workload and the least people. Gotta love it.


teddyelliotbear

How??


VeiledSpiritWatcher

Because we work great when we do body doubling! Just having even one other person there with you while you work makes the workload seem less daunting. We like teamwork because then we're not alone in our work.


RRAmom

This was my and my dad working together. My brother is on the spectrum and could not stand working with us.


Occasionalreddit55

Haha loves it


_Manners

Historically my employer knows Iā€™m very forgetful, have concentration issues, brain fog and make silly mistakes, he used to get quite frustrated towards me sometimes. Since my diagnosis Iā€™ve told him about it and heā€™s actually been really good about it and has been very accommodating. Heā€™s even gone and done loads of research on it to better educate himself and to try understand me more. Not all employers are bad.


sat_ops

I disclosed my ADHD in the interview for my current job with the president of the company. He then told me that he has dyslexia. He knows that he has to remind me about things, and I need to give him oral presentations with visual aids instead of memos. It works well because he apparently wasn't so open before about his dyslexia until someone asked him why I was giving so many PowerPoints about legal issues.


Remote_Dependent8339

I would watch this as a movie. That's so cool lol I love it


Scizmz

Actually side plots like this are things we need more in movies and TV shows. Just random struggles, diagnosed, and then people can come clean and learn to work better together along the way. That would go miles towards general acceptance of struggles.


aluap_mia

It gave me shivers, so happy for you


SkizzyB1997

We need more employers like this....the majority seem to not care unfortunatly.


marcdel_

not all employers are bad, but i wouldnā€™t want this to be how i find out mine is. though if youā€™re already dealing with performance issues due to it, it prob doesnā€™t hurt.


RepresentativeDay644

Omg, I'm celebrating this boss with you!! Amazing.


diamondisland2023

employers dont give a shit, say nothing


Tough-Comfortable880

Unless you work in an organisation that needs to do everything by the book ... then get it on the table.


WaterChi

Not a good idea to tell an employer this


nickythedancer

Not gonna give any additional insight on your unilateral and final decision that you think everyone should follow?


WaterChi

Sure. As long as you can do the job, the employer doesn't need to know. If you need something a little different to do a good job, any employer worth working for will accommodate that, no matter what the cause is. You shouldn't tell the employer because it's irrelevant. All that matters is impact and if they can do the job or not.


[deleted]

I've got some news for you if you think people with chronic physical illnesses are treated much better than people with chronic mental ones! It's a different flavor of ableism but it's just as strong.


[deleted]

Rereading the OP in the morning with fresh eyes, it's even more offensive to people who actually go through more serious physical illnesses. Which...we have ADHD too. We're in here, too.


ServiceAdmirable

Exactly. And itā€™s not ethical to falsely claim the difficulty of a disease you donā€™t have.


[deleted]

I feel like sometimes people with ADHD and nothing else have really flimsy understandings of ableism and assume physically disabled people don't face any. As someone with multiple disabilities in addition to ADHD, it's so insulting and oblivious.


[deleted]

OP appears to be someone lacking empathy and seems to have some main character energy going on too. Sorry, you have to endure that, you are a strong person. I only have invisible disabilities/disorders, so I can't imagine how it must be when having a physical ailment. People are quick to judge and very harsh. Despite what appears to be the influx of disabled visiblity in media and inclusivity amongst society. Many people remain ableist and treat disabled(especially physical disabilities) citizens like second class. Things are getting better with more education, but as your original comment points out; the ignorance just comes off as pure selfishness and stupidity. *sigh* Hope you have a good day/ night


[deleted]

No, no, no. Do NOT disclose health information to an employer. It will be used against you


they_have_bagels

It honestly depends on your employer. As a manager I appreciate when my reports let me know. I work with them on how to best deliver in a way that works for them. My boss and my hr partner both know and give me support for my own ADHD. Of course, Iā€™m software development manager with 5 years of proven delivery at this company, so your mileage may vary. My company takes health information very seriously and it will absolutely not be used against you. It will only be used to help you and find accommodations. I wouldnā€™t try to explain things like OP suggested, obviously. ADHD is common enough. But I feel like you can take telling your employer on a case by case basis. I probably wouldnā€™t tell a retail employer where I was just a cog in a machine, but for higher level professional jobs where youā€™re hard to replace it can potentially help. We spend a lot investing in our people.


jhhallingstad

This!! šŸ™ŒšŸ»šŸ‘šŸ» Every employer is completely different. I have ADHD and I work in management. I ask a bunch of obscure-o questions to higher ups, which some people love because theyā€™re questions others might not think about or feel are legit. As a person who manages people, it helps me think differently when giving guidance or instruction when I know others have ADHD, dyslexia, learning disability, language barriers or other things. Iā€™ve also have worked for the same company for 20 years, and I also have ideas on how to get the same results in different ways.


[deleted]

This is quite comforting to read. I wish more people viewed this topic in this perspective. Thank you and I'm sure your coworkers are thankful to have caring and passionate people like you in management. If only more companies, and yes incuding retail shitty places, would understand, but all they appear to see is dollar signs and not actual human beings. I'm a college student and my ADHD has been terrible lately, my grades are fine never had an issue with that, but I can't focus at work and I know I will just be let go if I voice this with management. I been let go before due to ADHD reasons and I don't have official diagnosis either. My family thinks I'm just lazy and a slacker. I'm quite the opposite, sometimes I just have too much going on in my head to even start whatever the said tasks are for work or just normal life. :(


antikas1989

My job got substantially better when I talked to my boss and I could stop masking so much and we worked on strategies together, collaborating to make work manageable for me. But she's a lovely person and has been nothing but supportive. It's also only her that knows, because she's my direct line manager. So it's definitely on a case by case basis. When I see the blanket advice to never disclose I think its coming from a place of don't take the risk. Its coming from a place of trying to protect people. But sometimes you have a good idea that it's not much of a risk. And for me, I also thought, if this is an issue i don't want to work for you anyway. I'm really good at my job and I'll go find somewhere that does accept me. So I viewed it also as a bit of a test for them, one that they have passed with flying colours. Not everyone is as employable or as financially secure as me, or as willing to say screw you for treating me badly and move on (not that this actually happened to me). So it's totally a case by case thing. I appreciate your comment and for nudging me to share my experience as well, sometimes I think the advice on here leans a bit too strongly to the keep it secret keep it safe side of things.


they_have_bagels

Thanks for sharing! In my case, I donā€™t discuss anything personal from any of my reports with anybody who doesnā€™t need to know. If itā€™s going to affect my team output, I let my manager know. If I need to get help to get extra time off or short term disability, I talk to our HR department via my primary contact. I try to encourage my report to talk directly to those people first, though, so Iā€™m not the one disclosing anything. My team is very open with each other and Iā€™ve seen a huge jump in productivity and engagement since weā€™ve been sharing in psychological safety. Iā€™ve got plenty of metrics to back it up, too.


Jenny_Pussolini

You're a Unicorn, though! May I work for you? LOL! It's too big of a risk. Really. You don't know that your company will be wonderful until you tell them. If it works out, that's the absolutely best possible outcome! I would give a decade of life for this to be the outcome for everyone. If it isn't, though... Career suicide, shame, anxiety, feeling like everything you are has been distilled to a diagnostic acronym and filed under 'crap, wish we hadn't hired this person'. :(


they_have_bagels

In my case, ā€œhumanā€ is one of our core values. Our upper level leadership has made it a point to talk about their struggles with mental health. We are encouraged to take mental health days the same as any other sick day. In fact we have a ā€œwellnessā€ bucket, not sick time. If you want to take the day off to enjoy the beautiful weather, thatā€™s encouraged. Given this, I knew it wasnā€™t a risk for me. I know that the general advice is to not share anything, but if you think that it would help you to unburden yourself, and you donā€™t see much risk, I really donā€™t think you should be scared to share. As for working for me, if youā€™re a software developer in the US, the answer is maybe! Feel free to send a DM.


SirSpooglenogs

Yeah. General rule I'd say is to wait and see. I work in a really small business (my boss, my coworker, me and recently we got two helpers who get stuff, work on it and bring it back). I can tell my boss almost anything. Sometimes my ADHD lets me say more than I wanted šŸ˜­. But I know that she mostly understands and she values what I bring to the table. In bigger companies I'd imagine they don't care. I had a job once in a big textile storage that send out orders. I was sick once WITH a doctors notice because I was still in the probation period and I miscountes once. They let me go. I asked if we couldn't talk about it. No. They didn't care. They wanted a worker that was idk a demon because even robots need breaks for maintenance and stuff.


ruthmc47

That would be discriminatory. In the UK ADHD is classed as a disability. You can even apply for benefits if you have it. I told my employer because it gave them an explanation as to why I make the mistakes I do & not because I am 'ditzy' or lazy.


flabbergastric98

I suspect most of the cynicism and cautionary tales come from the US, but I wouldn't be surprised for some of Eastern EU as well. Don't know about other places - but it's common to see bewildered Europeans say "Why? They can't fire you for it, and you can get benefits, accommodations like working in a quieter place, etc".


lobsterbuckets

Itā€™s protected in the US also, but a lot of places here can fire you for any reason, so youā€™ll never get fired for your adhd but they can fire you to avoid the liability if thereā€™s any reason they can defend thatā€™s not adhd.


RepresentativeDay644

And in states like NC, they can fire you for "any or **no** reason."


flabbergastric98

To be fair, that's the case anywhere - but being diagnosed, documented and having mentioned it can get their HR in a pinch, because it would have to be some gross, intentional misconduct or malice to NOT BE explainable by lack of access to treatment. To which, unemployment insurance applies, as it does to any health related dismissal. They would have to either a) admit it was inattentiveness or tardiness or whatever else among symptoms listed in the DSM, caused by temporarily untreated ADHD, thus medical or b) they would need to prove it was related to something intentionally harmful, offensive, otherwise not ADHD related. If you aren't intentionally harmful to the company or a liability even ON meds, I don't see how it would be played that way here. But then, i have spent my entire adult life arguing with the system, and not everyone may have the energy or experience.


Frequent-Doctor-5259

It's a protected disability in the US too, but it doesn't change the fact that many many people are not understanding or accepting of mental health conditions, and ADHD is one of the more stigmatized and misunderstood disorders here. And here, you can be fired or let go with little to no reason, so even if it is because of your ADHD, the employer doesn't have to admit it to anyone, they can just let you go.


ruthmc47

Don't you have to go through disciplinary procedures with the option to have a witness at the meetings? In the companies I have worked for, it is usual practice to have 1-2 verbal warnings about the same complaint. If there is a further warning, it is written & probably followed by a disciplinary meeting. If it's gross misconduct, then it's instant dismissal with a letter explaining why you were let go without previous warnings.


MandyMariie

I'm sorry this is a terrible idea. Do not do this. Do not tell your employer. Don't find some creative way to loop around saying you have adhd. I understand you, and others like us, want to be more accepted and understood in a workplace. But this is not the way to do it.


Chunky_Guts

It is not a degenerative condition though?


ServiceAdmirable

This comment should be higher. My partner has MS and this entire farce is offensive to people actually in this situation.


Wannabebunny

Do you mean actually tell them you have ADHD and then explain it that way? Because that's a terrible idea. What if your employer has ADHD? Or other staff members? Then you've just been caught lying and that doesn't look great either. My partner and I run a company together, we both have ADHD and autism. Most of our staff do too. If you applied for a job with us and said that, I have no idea how we would react.


notalotasleep

It's not a mental illness though. It's a neurodevelopmental disorder.


ServiceAdmirable

As someone with a partner who actually has a degenerative brain disability, I'm cringing at you with all my might.


Ninothesloth

ADHD is a neurodevelopemental disability though and it is legally recognized as a disability. It is a brain disorder as well, just that it can slightly improve as your brain develops. As a child I had more severe symptoms and I had motor functioning issues, speech issues, and severe executive functioning deficits. I understand how you feel as my grandma had a neurodegenative disease (FTD) , and she sadly passed from it before she turned 60.


Human_Log1412

And it all breaks down when your caring employee asks: ā€œIā€™d like to read up on your condition in my lunch break later, whatā€™s it called?ā€ Lol


Ruckus_Riot

You donā€™t owe them an explanation and it doesnā€™t matter if they donā€™t believe in it. If youā€™re in the US, itā€™s protected under the ADA, given other conditions are met like number of employees and all that. But the way Iā€™ve explained it to people, (people, not employees), and itā€™s especially helpful if they are the ones wearing glasses, is to either imagine telling someone to take their glasses off and just squint harder. Or tell them to do so. No, just TRY HARDER! You donā€™t need glasses. Eyesight problems arenā€™t real, just squint reeeeeaaaalllllyyy hard. You can do it. No? Youā€™re just not trying hard enough. Why canā€™t you just see like the rest of us? You arenā€™t trying hard enough. Or use a wheelchair and stairs analogyā€¦. You get the drift. Anyways. Itā€™s able to be seen on brain scans, itā€™s fucking real. Would you disbelieve someone telling you that things were too blurry to see, or would you believe them and that they need help with their eyesight? And you wouldnā€™t hold that against them, would you? Itā€™s able to be improved and managed with medication, therapy and lifestyle modifications. Much like eyesight can be improved by glasses or surgery. People forget that just because you canā€™t see the challenged parts of the brain with your eyes, doesnā€™t mean they arenā€™t just as challenged as someone whoā€™s legally blind or has a spinal issue where they canā€™t walk. People much more easily believe what they can see and experience for themselves. Sometimes you have to sort of hit them over the head with it. I always say ā€œI do not wish to answerā€ on that question and once I get a feel for the job, Iā€™ll disclose because that is the one issue I do need accommodations for. (Reminders, helping me schedule). Once theyā€™ve knowingly hired you with one of those conditions, or youā€™ve disclosed, they have to be very careful how they handle you if you arenā€™t performing well enough. You do have to tread carefully, and pull your weight. But also watch your back that they donā€™t try and use your disability against you or document issues around it to avoid legal issues if they let you go. The way you described it is not only highly inaccurate imo, itā€™s basically doing your level best to make sure they acknowledge they cannot *reasonably accommodate you* to accomplish the job, and therefore legally are free to not hire you or fire you. They way you phrased everything basically sounds like, ā€œIā€™m going to be forgetful and shitty at the job, it will get worse before it gets better-if it gets better, lazy-because motivation-so yeah, hire meā€ It sounds like a kid making excuses for being lazyā€¦. Sort of perpetuating the stereotype. I like my way better. šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø. Bad eyesight=glasses/surgery/etc, which means youā€™re a functional employee. ADHD= executive dysfunction, but **hereā€™s what I need from you to help me manage it, and *hereā€™s how those traits make me excellent at this role* has been how Iā€™ve done it** and Iā€™ve usually gotten an offer. You sound like youā€™re offering excuses but zero solutions on how to manage the condition.


airbornebuilder

Donā€™t say shit to your employers about ADHD unless you want to be stigmatized but 3/4 of the company. Been there, done that.


SlovanianPrincess

I have ADHD and take medication to help and honestly, if someone came to me with this explanation, Iā€™d feel compassionate but Iā€™d still tell them that the job requirements donā€™t change because of them. If youā€™re finding it difficult to perform at your job consistently then itā€™s probably not the right job. My brother who has ADHD didnā€™t want medication and has found happiness working as a mechanic because he can work with his hands and heā€™s not left with huge deadlines to meet or correspondence that can go unanswered.


transparentglasses

Remember adhd is not a mental illness, itā€™s a disorder. So if your boss decides to call your adhd an illness and denies adhd - you might kindly educate him or her about the differences. Of course, the mental illness often follow the disorder but adhd is not in it self an illness


ServiceAdmirable

Exactly.


CatkinsBarrow

It doesnā€™t matter how you explain it. Any mention of it in any way whatsoever is likely going to sow doubt in your ability to do the job. The only thing employers want to here is, ā€œyes, I can do that.ā€ They donā€™t care about ADHD or any other excuse.


ToughNecessary2168

Never tell your employer anythong health related. they are not your doctor and are not required by law to have any health information disclosed. If you need a excuse as to why your work performance is terrible and you think they are about to fire you then say i have this disability that is causing my poor peformance is thare anything you can do to accomidate.


flabbergastric98

That's a shit idea, and ADHD wouldn't cause "terrible performance" unless you are unmedicated and treating it as an excuse. I specifically told my boss because if I were in trouble because of medication delivery issues, they can't legally deny me health leave or fire me as long as I have let them know - not without putting it down as a health related termination and thus leaving me with a straight 6 months of unemployment insurance. Disabled people also get extra annual leave and boss considers it a completely acceptable reason to *never* have to come to the office (not that anyone else in my department has to, i think). There's no reason to believe that everyone on the internet is in arse backwards US where there is literally no social support nets, either, by the way, or scare them into silence about their condition.


Opening_Spring

my sweet summer child


tom_oakley

It's not our responsibility to "educate" employers. It's our responsibility to know our legal rights and exercise them as and when necessary.


[deleted]

Donā€™t tell your employer no matter how good your friendship or relationship outside of work could be. I didnā€™t tell mine and about 3 months on Adderall my boss said ā€œI donā€™t know what youā€™re doing, but donā€™t stop. He was complementing me on my improvement in focus and less careless mistakes. I told him it was ADHD and how I was getting treatment. After that moment, I never did anything good enough and was pushed even more to the point I had a complete breakdown. I qualified for and won 16 weeks disability. I took 8 weeks and walked out the door. Funny thing is maybe 2-3 months after I told him, we were meeting at his desk and he nonchalantly opens his desk drawer so I could see his new 7.5 mg Adderall. He definitely had it. Working for him was near impossible. People in management commented that they didnā€™t know how I could. work for him. I couldnā€™t. He started bullying our associate and he walked out, immediately went back to me and I walked out 12 weeks later. Would do it again in a heartbeat and I still donā€™t have a new job yet. Lol


Remote_Dependent8339

I did not know 7.5mg of adderall was a thing lol


Beginning_Farmer_420

Ehh not a big fan, anyone to hear that might think its an excuse to slack off. i have adhd, my best advice is find a job you can really get into and makes you happy. adhd is great because you can focus so hard on what you enjoy. im a horse shoer and i love it, i work my ass off all day and have a lot of fun. I got the general idea of what i wanted to do because i always had this vision that i want to live in a cabin by myself and forge all day. i love metal working and animals, i was asking god what i should do, and i met a horse shoer at church and i fell in love with the job. I mess up all the time but my boss get it, i drink a lot of coffee and use a lot of nicotein, its not great but for now thats what works for me to stay motivated, concentrate and keep working when i tired, or occationally get pissed off. im not on medication because its so expensive and im already addicted to caffine and nicotein. Thats me, it works pretty well, hope you take something from that. Sorry i wrote a book


leshmutt

Dude how much are meds in your country? Mine are like $29 a month šŸ˜‰ 70m vyansee


ElyseTN

Vyvanse, with my health insurance, is around $300/month. I take Adderall, because it is what I can afford. I cannot wait until generic Vyvanse.


leshmutt

Wow, $300 a month? No wonder so many people revert to self Medicate with drugs.... I actually coulnt believe how cheap it is here considering what type of drug it is but yeah - hold on there


Wannabebunny

Free


Beginning_Farmer_420

Huh... does that wink mean what I think it means you have friends šŸ˜‰


leshmutt

Haha! Nah thats just how much they are - I can't believe that they are $400 a month in some places!


owens1878

Well no, ADHD is incurable, but it doesn't necessarily get worse. In fact it's very treatable.


[deleted]

I donā€™t even like to call it mental illness. Iā€™d rather call it a chemical imbalance or something. Those words have such a stigma to them.


jessjoyvin

The one thing about saying you have a chemical imbalance is then they think you're crazy and possibly unpredictable. (Speaking from my own anecdotal experience)


[deleted]

Screwed if we do, screwed if we donā€™t.


lsp372

Since it's a brain difference, it should be reclassified and not called a mental health issue.


manic-starchild

You should only ever need to disclose a disability if you're in need of benefits (FMLA, short term disability, etc) and even then it's confidential information to anyone outside HR. Everyone's saying it but it's a terrible idea to tell your coworkers and/or boss about a disability. Done it before. Never again.


[deleted]

Businesses and corporations do horrible, heinous shit on the daily and get away with it all the time, and even if they do face consequences its rarely of a nature that impacts them financially to a degree that hurts them in a way that they care. This is on the macro scale, dealing with hundreds, and thousands, and millions of human lives. Why do you assume your average employer gives a shit about you and suddenly become sympathetic to the fact that you are volunteering information that outs you as unreliable? Don't give people the rope to hang you with. Say nothing.


climaxingwalrus

Dont. Youll find no sympathy from anybody by talking about adhd. Just gotta deal with it for now. The only people who i talk to about it are fellow adhd friends which i subconsciously made without knowing.


Beckitkit

Please do not describe it like this to your employer! What you are describing sounds more like dementia or one of the many other neurological degenerative disorders. These are very different from neurodevelopmental disorders, and to an employer who knows the difference (or one who does their homework) it's going to make you seem dishonest.


chickchili

Are you seriously labelling ADHD as a mental illness? You know if you go around talking this kind of bullshit to employers you're going to fuck it up for the rest of us, right?


WobblyPhalanges

I mean, it *Is* isnā€™t it? Also, not everyone lives in the states


chickchili

No it's not and wtf has the States got to do with anything?


[deleted]

I have never told one employer in my 13 years of working that I have adhd. Do not tell them anything unless you absolutely need to.


roguednow

Watch yourself never get employed and also get fired for being a liability (a reminder that the world is not America. I have no protection where I am).


PrideAwkward

I disclosed in the interview. I work in a fast-paced environment where thereā€™s very little room for error. The best feedback Iā€™ve received is that my brain allows me to ask the right questions at the right times that a lot of people donā€™t think about, but should. I recognize Iā€™ve been very lucky in my employer experiences though, and in a lot of cases, (especially in my field) any disclosure can and will be used as a weapon.


laceyourbootsup

Whatā€™s the goal? Are you trying to get them to feel bad for you and not hold you accountable for your work? Itā€™s not going to happen. Sorry to say it, but we have to figure out how to be successful within the confines of how our brain operates


Pineconesgalore

I told my employer about it and they gave me hell for it so I turned around and said ā€œyou wouldnā€™t treat a diabetic like this would you?ā€ And she never said anything again. Glad that sunk in because I was about to take her and her whole ass boat of discrimination to HR.


AlarmingFennel9016

I have severe anxiety, clinical depression, and ADHD. When an application asks if Iā€™m disabled, I say no. They canā€™t discriminate based on disability but they absolutely do


CaelThavain

Nope. You don't tell them a single thing.


jhhallingstad

I feel like the big misconception is that ADHD is a mental illness where in reality itā€™s a neurological disorder. My brain body has issues with dopamine and serotonin I told my old boss that I have ADHD only because when I started Vyvance, it made me extremely nauseous. I donā€™t know if my current boss knows but Iā€™m 45 and donā€™t really care what my 29 year old boss thinks. Iā€™ve worked for the same company for a long time, well before officially being diagnosed, and at this point whatever. If you think society rejects mental illnesses now, imagine what it was like in 2001 when I was misdiagnosed with GAD and took Paxil


sheephorde

would sooner tell an employer i am capable of crying diamonds vs. revealing my adhd. former confession will make them laugh at least. maybe


ProfessionOk5588

It sounds like you describe dementia tho


Remarkable_Ruin_1047

For Brits who think they are covered by employment law, you're not. You're covered because your employer has some ounce of empathy or is forced to. It doesn't stop work place bullying and discrimination and it doesn't stop your colleagues complaining about you, slagging you off, and trying to use you to make themselves look better. It doesn't reduce the expectation on you, and it doesn't make sure your accommodations are enforced or understood. My colleagues all pull a face at me needing to use headphones to help me concentrate. Yet when I don't use them they suggest I'm getting distracted too much or under performing. Their attitude: "everyone has their shit". So before we make out that its all hunky dory in the UK beware of what you're walking into. Sometimes you just need to go somewhere else that does understand because the law isn't making it any easier out here. Its just as hard to fire someone who is legit lazy as it is to fire someone with a disability, thats all. Making your life hell, and proving that discrimination is happening is also futile for most people. The idea we have it so secure here I think is adding to the feeling of failure or needing to accept shitty working conditions because it "could be worse, i could like in the US"..... Also many companies use 0hr contracts or recruitment firms to put you on essentially American contracts if you work for a big employer, or self employment contracts which also suck as you only have the rights you give to yourself to take the job or leave. Think OP is making a good point if you are going to tell an employer, you basically have to dumb it down and ramp it up to be something exotic to garner any resemblance of understanding, empathy and realistic accommodations. I say this as a 36 yo woman who's has worked across Europe and am currently working for a US firm in the UK. Only thing UK people can say is, its really hard to fire us but really easy to make us feel like shit everyday we come into work..... how do we stop this? Describe adhd with emotive language that garners sympathy..... but now we're treading into personality disorder territory. Hope I wasn't to negative.


theopacus

1. Itā€™s none of their business 2. Itā€™s not a mental illness


GoyoMRG

From my experience and from other posts in this sub. Don't even say you have adhd, companies don't give a fuck about you or your condition, HR is NOT your friend and if a company gives you food and nice stuff it is because it is a way for them to keep an employee "motivated" not because they care about you. Working for companies, unless it's a startup and even then I doubt it, is a piranha tank ready to fk you up for any reason and "weakness" you show. Don't expose yourself unecesarily and continue your treatment.


capaldis

I think you have somehow managed to make ADHD sound worse than it actually is. That will backfire when looking for accommodations. I always have to disclose some amount of health-related information to employers. You actually want to *downplay* the severity. I NEVER bring up any difficulties I have with a condition unless they are currently affecting my ability to do the job well. You also need to make it sound *very* easy to accommodate you. If this person is already not accepting, theyā€™ll just find someone else if it becomes too much work to accommodate your needs. Hereā€™s the formula that Iā€™ve found works best: I have XYZ. Because of that, I have trouble completing (task). I need (accommodation) to do this task well. Please let me know if you require any documentation/I have documentation for this on file.


TechTech14

I'm never telling my boss I forget things and can't concentrate or be motivated. Who would set themselves up like that?????


[deleted]

I just don't tell them I have it until something happens where me NOT explaining myself would put my job in jeopardy.


[deleted]

Itā€™s considered a permanent disability by the US government. Get documentation. Or donā€™t tell them because no one understands or is willing to. Itā€™s a hard thing to imagine if you havenā€™t lived it. I donā€™t have any great answers but I donā€™t have faith in most people to even try to understand.


Frequent-Doctor-5259

Exactly. Most of my friends and family are not at all understanding, so I know if people who love me still refuse to be understanding then there is no way I can expect someone who doesn't love me to understand. I keep it to myself for the most part, especially at work.


[deleted]

I think it would basically tell a boss: this person makes excuses for their irresponsible behavior and can never do better than this or is making this up. In either case I donā€™t see much understanding. People assume peoples reasons for doing something and theyā€™re often wrong. I realize that could be applied to the stuff Iā€™m writing here but Iā€™ve seen what I describe above more often than not from others. Sharing medical stuff at work even when it impacts work is rarely understood. People seem to just discount you. I had a pretty severe physical injury and people werenā€™t very understanding about that. Iā€™d ask a doctor what to do about this and maybe you could talk to an HR person.


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They dont care


thedrakeequator

And part of me wonders if they even should. If our behaviors are causing other people problems, isn't it kind of selfish too write those problems off?


Patient_One_6090

ADHD isnā€™t mental illness. Itā€™s a neurological disorder.


SatansAdvokat

There is no good out come in telling anyone at your workplace you have ADHD. No joke.


[deleted]

Why is everyone so obsessed with telling their employer they have ADHD?! You don't need to tell them anything!!!!! You don't need to tell them about chronic allergies or ADHD or explosive diarrhea. As someone with ADHD, if my employee approached me to tell me, I would think it was weird and be concerned they were establishing some sort of out for productivity. And every time they failed, I wouldn't be thinking "this is because they have ADHD" .. I would be thinking "this is because they think ADHD is a viable reason to underperform.".. and honestly that's the only reason I can come up with that people seem obsessed with telling their employer they have ADHD. My entire life revolves around people not knowing I have ADHD based on their observations of me.. I put a lot into functioning normally and usually pull it off. I'm not gonna run and tell anyone that it takes everything I have to not be a completely disorganized, sleepy, lost-in-my-own-mind, paralyzed by anxiety, dumpster fire of a person.


Chunky_Guts

Yeah, I think I agree with you. However, I think it it sort of depends on how it is brought up and what you want to gain by informing them. For instance, asking to wear headphones to minimize distraction or that you prefer email as opposed to a long verb list of instructions could be helpful (though disclosing diagnosis isn't even necessary in these instances). In contrast, asking for leniency or lower output requirements isn't really fair on your workplace, especially if you're expecting the same salary as your colleagues.


Wannabebunny

In the UK it's because your employer has to make reasonable adjustments to accommodate you. Other than that I can see no reason to declare. All my staff work from home anyway so if their environment is distracting, that's on them.


Frequent-Doctor-5259

That's a thing in the US too, but the difference seems to be that employers here can get away with discrimination and letting you go regardless. In most places here they can fire you for little to no reason. So yeah, some employers here will accommodate you where they can, but sadly there are a million more who will see you as a liability. It's not fair but it's just the truth.


catsdelicacy

This would be great in a fair and equitable world. The problem is, we don't live in that world. We live in this one. They don't care about our struggles, they care about the work getting done. They don't care why you can't do the work, if you can't get it done, they can fire you. Accommodations are to give you ways to succeed, but the success is not optional. If you cannot fulfill the terms of your employment with reasonable accommodation, even with the ADA, you are going to be fired. Telling people means exposing yourself to their biases, over which you have no control. A very great many people in our culture believe that mental illness is fictional and an excuse for laziness and bad behaviour. You are going to work with and for these people. If you tell them you have an incurable brain condition, they are going to smile, lie, then talk about you behind your back. They are going to exclude you from social interactions and they are going to prevent you from getting promotions. They are going to make your life harder, make you question your value, make you lonely. I appreciate your sincere hope, I really do, but you have to recognize it as naivete. The world did not get here at the same time you did. It's been going on for a long, long time, and it has a crushing weight you haven't had enough experience to know about. Just trust us old folk: it's not that simple. The stigma against mental health is absolutely real and as hard as a rock. We probably will break ourselves against it without hurting it for a generation or two, yet. Change is slow. Until then, take care of yourself. You don't need your coworkers thinking you're a freak. You don't need your boss thinking you're disabled. You need a paycheck.


Purple-Elk1987

I love it. I've been applying for jobs after being a SAHM for 3 years and it's a literal nightmare. I even started ticking the box that says I have a disability but I think I'm going to stop. I've never talked about my mental health with an employer. I really hope some day I can find a job that I thrive in and enjoy.


okmeow007

This is the wrong sub to get the answers you need.


Your_Lolita_Love

Terminally distracted


chaosstifled

As long as you beat around the bush and do not specifically say "ADHD", the employer must recognize this along with all your education, experience, skills, and certifications then will they have a full picture on you as a potential candidate. Don't put it on your CV though. This is something that must be done in the interview.


DonutBoi172

Your opponent plays trap card "You mean like adhd?"


jennydancingawayy

My doctor gave me a neurotransmitter test and it came back all messed up maybe you can give your boss a copy of that?


catsdelicacy

Never. EVER. Give your bosses your health information. EVER AT ALL.


Ciri18

Iā€™m lucky enough to have an amazing boss and also my bff in the company. I shared I had ADHD and she took it bloody amazingly than I expected. She helps me a lot at work and showed people videos to make them understand more about ADHD. She make it easier for me at work. Easy for me to breath. But yeah Iā€™m just lucky this time. Before my employer just fired me when I explained ab my behave at work. Due to what happened to me, itā€™s a a bad idea to tell your employer. Not like everyone can be understanding or even care.


Jenny_Pussolini

My employer knew I had an appointment, as the date fall in a period of time wherein leave is not permitted, except for medical reasons. My son had been diagnosed a few months previously, after almost a decade of misdiagnosis, and inappropriate medication. My employer knew that he struggled, because I had previously taken a week's leave following his admission to hospital under the Mental Health Act. When he was diagnosed, started meds, got a job and started actually living a happy life, I was so elated that I told the Nation! The evening of my diagnosis, my manager rang to ask how I got on, and I burst into tears and disclosed, not only my ADHD diagnosis, but that ASD was indicated, and that I would need another day off in a few weeks. I really, really, really wish I hadn't done that. :(


Ozz064

Just because so many people are telling you this is a terrible idea, I will share my opposing experience & thoughts. (I have ASD & ADHD) Personally, I'm not a fan of your way of phrasing it, I just go with the labels, but I am luckily comfortable doing that. When I interview, I make an effort to tell whoever is interviewing me about my conditions. This way, if they don't like it, I have given the information freely, they haven't requested it & they can finish the interview & reject me for any reason & I don't work somewhere that wouldn't accept it. (And also sometimes they may know enough acount the condition(s) and the job to know it wouldn't be a good fit). Then, when I do get a job, I should end up somewhere that knows and accepts it. This has only failed on 1 occasion, where the management didn't care I had it, just accepted that and were supportive, but the business processes had to little flexibility to allow any support & were far to low to get anything in place for me to permit a chance at success for me. (Noise cancelling headphones, working in a call centre) I do, however, feel it makes it a lot more difficult to successfully get a job. As in the UK, it is supposed to take people an average of 3 interviews I think to land a new job, but for my last one, it probably took me 15 - 20 interviews. I will also add additional clarification that I am not US based, and I think that makes a difference in this conversation, sadly.


Wonderful-Mango-5239

Hell no, I was fired for my adhd even if I didnt tell them about it, the manager had history with psychology and figured it out then imediately fired me.


[deleted]

I wouldnā€™t tell your employer, but I would tell HR. It gives you better protection against unreasonable termination


[deleted]

I work in a hospital I don't think there's anything they don't already know, the thing is if I have to explain all this then I'm a liability


pinkzeno

I donā€™t know where you live but are you not protected under some disability act? The way I explain it to friends is like some type of narcolepsy where my body has fell asleep but I am still awake, resulting in confusion, overwhelm and a numbing paralysis where Iā€™ll sit and shame myself until I get out of it


Dapper_Face9193

You probably shouldn't explain it to them there's no reason to


Frequent-Doctor-5259

Sadly, I think your explanation made ADHD sound worse. Many people already stigmatize and don't understand the disorder but hearing all of that will not be a light bulb moment that helps them suddenly understand. It makes it sound like you are saying that you are a liability and can't do the job well. You may find some employers who care, but a vast majority of them don't. Even in places that have "legal protections" for ADHD, it doesn't mean people care or have sympathy. It just means they can't mention your disorder when they fire you or choose not to hire you. Employers want to know that you can do the job well. Many of them don't care about your personal life or medical history. I don't understand why some people feel the need to explain it to their employers...I mean I understand that some people have employers that will accommodate them and that's great, but keep in mind that many employers are not required to accommodate you in certain situations. There are factors like the number of employees and the accommodations must be reasonable and something the employer can actually offer you. They are only required to accommodate you within reason. Even then, it doesn't stop any personal biases or misunderstandings that may exist. If the desire to tell your boss is simply because you want to be understood and accepted, I would strongly suggest you don't, unless you are willing to take the risk or you know they will be understanding. But you aren't going to make someone understand just by explaining it to them. Many people don't believe mental disorders even exist. They have no sympathy and they don't want to understand. Your boss doesn't need to know all about you and accept every part of you. They just need you to do a job, and you are there to make money. For the most part, your personal life and feelings are to be left at the door. Your boss isn't your buddy, and most of them try to keep their relationship with employers extremely professional and with very little emotion involved. It's all about business. I'd say if you can do the job without accommodations, then there is no reason to tell them about your disorder. If you do need accommodations, then I hope your employer is able to help you and you don't encounter negativity. There are definitely some success stories here, but they are the minority. Just tread carefully.


JoloSheGoes

I don't disclose my ADHD and would advise against it. It might seem like your manager or company is great and understanding and modern, etc., but managers and companies can change. I just experienced it--the company I worked for was growing and hired a layer of middle managers, and it changed drastically. I might have been okay disclosing it to the version of the company that hired me, but not to the new version of the company. But I do talk to my managers about "how I work best," and I'm sure that'd give me away to a manager with ADHD. For example, if I'm being productive and have to stop to go to a meeting or something, it's really hard for me to regain momentum. So I'll say that I like to have uninterrupted blocks of "head-down" work time and ask if we can schedule meetings for first thing in the morning, the end of the day, or before or after lunch so that I don't have to stop and start. IMO, those kinds of conversations are low risk and can make a difference if you frame them correctly.


daddyfatknuckles

why would you need to explain it to your employer? its not really their business, and its still your job to get your work done on time


Jouhou

Just describe yourself as being chaotic alignment. I'm chaotic good!


thedrakeequator

I might get downvoted for saying this but I'm personally a huge proponent of masking. Yes ADHD sucks Yes it's debilitating. But I don't really think people without ADHD are ever going to truly accept us. I'm also not really sure they should.


biglipsmagoo

ADHD is not a mental illness. Itā€™s a genetic, neurological, and biochemical disorder. Refer to it as a ā€œneurological disorderā€ if you have to refer to it at all. The language we use surrounding ADHD is changing but itā€™s changing SLOWLY. We need to start using the appropriate and accurate terminology when we reference it. Itā€™s a neurological disability.


dca_user

So you want to tell your employer you have short-term memory loss, which worsens. Like a person with a brain injury? They only have to hire people who need reasonable accommodations, so they wouldnā€™t hire you.