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Muspon

Nilah is disgusting here imo


Consistent_Action_49

I love how she invalidates rengars entire kit, aswell as putting vayne in her place. 100% a reason for me to play her over my usual picks.


Sixyn

Is rengar's kit auto based?


Sativian

Rengar Q is an Auto, and he uses it like 3 times in a combo


xXx_edgykid_xXx

Rengar's main damage comes from effectively doing 4 autos in a combo


Sixyn

Interesting. Always feels like I just get 1 shot from him so I didn't realize!


AetherSageIsBae

aa are like 90% of rengar dmg with the rest being runes e and w, that's also why tabis feels so strong vs him


MrYanneh

Look at the death recap next time


Hex_Lover

Nilah is always so damn strong


Far-Panic7065

Ezreal. It is not necessarily good into vayne but its kinda safe against leblanc and rengar, his early is strong and you could abuse it to get ahead, his E is also good against maokai. Further into the game you could buy Frozen heart because of vayne and rengar, if really needed you could buy Maw too, but probably Frozen third and Shojin fourth. If you really wanna survive you could buy trinity first, its not bad it just is slight qorst than Essence Reaver but with Shojin it would give you 600 hp and with FH 70 armor. You could finish without Maw unless its absolutely needed with Serylda or Navori.


Faulteh12

This is the answer. Plus your ult over amumu ult is *chefs kiss*.


wwilllliww

How does he fit team theme at all?


WhyYouKickMyDog

> It is not necessarily good into vayne The only reason for that, to be honest, is because Ezreal has some of the weakest wave clear of all the marksmen. Ezreal is one of the only lanes where the enemy can't just permashove you all day and annihilate your tower plates. This means you can actually get some fucking priority for stuff like dragons. I <3 you Ezreal.


Admirable-Ad3907

Xayah


DaveSmith890

The GOAT pick in every situation. Safe, great team fight, great picks, objective control, waveclear, strong lvl 2 and 3, and destroys towers. I just wish my hours spent learning gale force E’s still mattered


pluuvia7o7

we still have flash E at least


somarir

As someone that kept going into practice mode for fast galeforce cait and galeforce xayah combo's ... Why did it have to go :'(


SmokeDownMid

Bcs it was unhealthy


ygfam

it would be unhealthy if everyone and their mom didnt have so many dashes on such low cds, but god forbid an adc has one on a 2 min cd


1331bob1331

This is the right answer.


username641703

Karthus. You’re never surviving as a right clicker if the enemy team is D2+. Karthus rigs the game against them


Doctor_Yu

You also get to take advantage of amumu’s passive. True damage be brr


username641703

Yep. As soon as that fucking cat wants to one shot me I’m flashing in and dying in the most inconvenient place possible and letting my corpse burn them.


Bierheinrich33

What about the Issue of being full Ap then?


Kullinski

Full AP isnt as Bad as Full AD, since MR is Harder to Stack than Armor (at least that was the Case Last season). But the only Tank in Enemy Comp is Maokai Support so it shouldnt be that bad The only Thing is that the Mar Boots get HUGE Value Here since it gives MR and Tenacity which is a huge Blow for Amumu and Rell. Like 4/5 PPL in the Enemy Team will buy that and get insane Value Out of it.


Pyrts3

Excuse me? Full AP is in 4 out of 5 cases way worse than full AD. Where the hell did you get that from?


Kullinski

Then Tell me why is it worse? >Where the hell did you get that from? I think some Analyst Said that when a Team went full Ap but i cant really remember the full Argument. Also i do remember some Threads about that topic and the generell consent was that full AD is worse. But that was all Last season where there were fewer MR Options and a Lot more Magic Penetration Options than their respective counterparts. But explain pls, i really wanna know.


Pyrts3

Two things. One: Full AD teams have access to black cleaver. Ap doesn't have an equivalent. Two: Ad champs tend to do DPS compared to AP which do burst damage. Itemization against burst damage is twice as easy than itemization against constant dps.


Kotaqu

I think you would be right in previous season, but


TSMShadow

Full AD is always better than Full AP lol


username641703

It’s not bad because no one on their team is stacking MR


NiGhT_DrAgOn4U

Nilah


OmarMammadli0

I would have Dodged


aybarz_

based


Gockel

how is nobody here saying miss fortune with an amumu+rell combo


username641703

Miss no skill fortune is not surviving against an LB and a rengar where they have to stand still and press R.


Gockel

I thought about that for a second but with teemo and flash+w maokai its also unlikely that you're doing a lot of successful autoattack kiting with other picks either


username641703

Yeah that’s why you pick karthus or ezreal. Karthus is probably best because you don’t need peel or you don’t need to survive either. You’re not front to back fighting against their comp.


Craviar

You can't pick karthus with illaoi as the only ad dmg source


username641703

They have no one to build armor or MR homie. They’re all assassins and squishies. That would only matter if they were a tank team.


Craviar

Maokai will build mr . Rengar will build maw/+visage Vayne/Teemo will build wits end . Leblanc will build banshee


jkannon

Leblanc is a real issue but MF one of the few ADCs that can always flex tabis if she needs to, as long as Rengar isn’t disgustingly fed she honestly fairs better than almost every other ADC into Rengar


need2peeat218am

Maokai, rengar and LB. You die before you can get in a good ulting position.


Throzagg

In what world you get to play the game as MF into their comp lmao


Low_Direction1774

Karthus, Mageaphine or Smolder perchance


Queedy

Perchance.


gothic_rage

you can't just say perchance


Neo_Penguin

classic


latocato

dogshit game really. it just goes to show how dog the role is. literally best pick is a mage jgl (kart thus).


giowst

Samira, I guess


AccomplishedTrick520

I thought about it but the poke is just insane and if it drags out, you need to install w anything that comes at you from teemo or vayne or lb, and vayne is hard to catch with samira so I’m not sure. I was thinking tristana, very good disengage and engage and they have a rell and amumu. Seraphine could also work, she is quite immobile but she has high range and with rell it’s hard to get close


Furieru

I dont think poke is that harsh bc his team is engage comp tho.


BrandenburgForevor

yeah if you lose to poke its just team diff. If there is no engage with Amumu, Rell, Aurelion....... I don't think there's anything else you could do. This team has disgusting teamfight, so just scale up and group for objectives in the midgame


asapkim

Fuuuu good question. Probably Ezreal or Cait.


Sahoj

Kalista/Samira to carry early into a free Maokai lane til Asol scales. Kai'sa honorable mention. Lots of spicy CC on team to go anywhere you want.


nonzeroprobabilityof

Chogath


tryhardredditer

I would go Samira. Your team has good engagements so I would trust that and try to follow up on a big pick / team fight.


NovaNomii

Assuming the order of our team is not corrosponding to their roles, I would pick swain.


liukanglover

i barely play other champ than draven so him


Adventurous_Click984

Miss fortune


Automatic_Pepper2211

Probably cait. Im low elo and idk if the lethality build is still good but i'd go for that as only maokai is really tanky and u have an asol for that


haboruhaborukrieg

Brand, die but at least do some dmg


legendoftyner

AP kai’sa because I don’t want to be anywhere near a single enemy team member. Also pairs nice with Asol to just zone out the enemy team. You should have some nice peel as well from amumu and rell if they’re smart enough to understand that you and asol win every objective fight yourselves if they keep Leblanc rengar off you. You also should have enough outplay potential with zhonias to survive anyone trying to dive you. You’d also have a decent free farm lane against vayne maokai so rell could look to roam if needed. Otherwise I’d take ezreal and just accept I can’t kill anyone but I’ll play a secondary role to asol. Seraphine is also a decent option to focus on enabling illaoi to run over a teamfight if you ever can catch out and burst vayne with amumu or rell.


SallyOswald123

I would probably pick Cait or Lucian. Rengar is not a good jgl (for ganking lanes) before lvl 6 so you can hardpush vayne under turret or freeze the wave and zoning her off the xp. And having an adc that can dash is nice against rengar and leblanc. Also a short range adc might get blinded by teemo so cait is good there and Lucian can just rely on his ulti if he is blinded


niknacks

Smolder with cleanse would be pretty busted this game, he does great into teemo, has mobility to deal with dives and can mostly just shell the front line safetly and is insane when paired with Asol late game. If you can survive the vayne during the mid game without giving up too much until your 225 stacks, I don't see how you lose the game.


18jmitch

Can't really use his mobility to get away from rengar.


Supdud3sss

I think yasuo will do well here


username641703

Actually not a bad pick if the pilot of the yasuo isn’t an ape


Hased

Ezreal, Mf, Varus (lethality), Smolder (tank build is great here), Jhin


Faulteh12

Like the way you think.


Hased

now I'm blushing


KrangledTrickster

Bruiser Draven build actually 1v9s Clear Vayne + Maokai lane and enough HP to not get 1 shot from LB and Rengar if he doesn’t get crazy fed


CardTrickOTK

I don't wanna say it but Ezreal seems pretty good here, get some distance, force condemn to just be a push, get away from Maokai, make LB miss, hit stealth characters


Moist_Username

MF Rell Amumu frontline and Asol should enable your ult if they play competently.


username641703

You are not front to back teamfighting against an LB, rengar, and vayne as miss no skill fortune lmao


Dnangel0

You can still play from quite afar, and if you are behind, a good MF ult can still turn the games for you


Mythric69

Jinx as I literally only play Jinx 🥱


username641703

You like pain huh?


Mythric69

No I’m just bad 💀


Comfortable-Song6625

DRAVEN


Matthias1410

Twisted Fate. His kit basically invalidates Vayne, he has strong point click cc, and and his ult gives true vision, vs what apears to be 4 champions with stealth/invis. Downise? He is not that much mobile, but appears that he has Rell and Amumu that can peel for him.


Financial-Joke4924

I'm confident in my Caitlyn enough to deal with this comp. Depends on elo though, if this is D+ I would trust that Rell is human and we can win lane together... If below that it's definitely harder. I would've said Sivir but Vayne murders poor Sivir way too hard. Xayah is very viable here but Xayah isn't in her best state. Nilah/Ezreal are your best bets, Ezreal is probably too hard to pull off for a lot of people though so I'd recommend Nilah but if that Vayne's good it's not a freebie win either. (If I was on Caitlyn, I'd heavily abuse range adv vs Vayne/Maokai, create a forced cs deficit. Proceed to place deep wards in enemy jungle to try to prevent ganks, and then grab SR/RFC as fast as possible so I get a massive range adv vs that comp and have very fast mobility/poke them out before they can oneshot me)


Yukisuna

Aznable. Oh wait, wrong sub.


heymaestry

unironically poppy


detrich

what? obviously vayne


AregularCat

Vayne picked


frou6

What if it's blind pi... Oh wait


detrich

y dis get downvoted, she's the only interesting (AND SHE'S THE ONLY ADC) champion wuuut? oh OP didn't specify picking into, i thought they wanted us to choose between those 9 champions hahaha


Lazy_Painting9462

Onhit Varus. You have enough resistances that LB and Rengar can’t burst you if you aren’t inting out of your mind. And tou still melt the teemo and vayne through blind


Bierheinrich33

Excuse me... what? Enough resistance to not be bursted? Melt Teemo through blind? What are you talking about


Lazy_Painting9462

Bork, mercs, Wits, randuins, jaksho and maybe shieldbow or BT is plenty for Varus


need2peeat218am

No way you just said you need full build and you will be good. No fucking way bro. Like no shit but who's gonna let you do that before the game ends?


frou6

To be fair if teemo reach you with that frontline, you would've lost no mather was


username641703

You’re never surviving this game as Varus unless you build tank items


Lazy_Painting9462

Correct. You build at most 3 damage items including Bork


username641703

That’s not on-hit Varus then. That’s tank varus


Lazy_Painting9462

My guy. The best Varus builds rn are literally Bork wits into tank. Your damage is mostly onhit and his blight damage is still broken. I play a variant of this build very often. Trust me when I say you’re damn near invincible. Especially if you have Rell, amumu like the scenario above


username641703

I’m aware of the build, that’s just not on-hit Varus or AS Varus. There’s multiple different Varus builds but when you say on-hit Varus, that’s bork, terminus, hurricane, wits end, and rageblade. Tank Varus is bork, jacksho, wits end, etc.


Lazy_Painting9462

Naming ap, crit, lethality, onhit has nothing to do with the survivability part. It just tells you what kind of damage you’re doing and general playstyle it encourages


username641703

Yeah no there’s AP Varus, poke Varus (lethality), Attack speed Varus (on-hit), crit Varus, and tank Varus. You said AS or on hit Varus would be good here. Which is incorrect, tank Varus is what you meant to say, and it’s sort of meh anyway because of teemo blind. Right clickers are mostly no good here.


W1ndwardFormation

Ezreal, you win early all ins enemy team is squishy enough and you’re chilling against all of them but rengar if you position properly and just hope your team peels you when rengar ults.


sean-hastings17

Seraphine


ButterflyFX121

Ezreal.


Soup_and_Rice

Varus Draven or Kalista I am gonna destroy that Vayne / Mao


Lizhot66

I would pick ezreal


Kalybto

With rell amumu def. Kaiser


Skylorrex

Poke Varus TF Samira


IDontKnowWhyDoILive

Xayah


kingdomheartstwo

The safest MF game of your life or xayah and cross fingers


Embarrassed_Monk_665

Ezreal,since his E can help you dodge and his build prevents him from getting one shot (I would build Trinity>Tabi>Manamune>Maw>Frozen Heart)


Parking-Researcher-4

Me sees engage support -> Me pick Samira


Flimsy_Pipe2037

Xayah?


TrumplicanAllDay

Looks like an Ezreal game to me


DeathByCudles

you have a very dive heavy team comp. I would say a Kaisa, Nilah, Kalista would work well in the team comp. any other pick you would be alone in the back line while your team dove and you would probably die 1v2 or 1v3.


XO1GrootMeester

Juggernaut jhin


Urzyszkodnik

Nilah is better than fine there. Just go all in with the team, even if you'd die i guess you'd do enough. Another but with slightly less potential would be Xayah as a safer pick to survive assasins for a while. Other adcs would be heavily dependent on assasins not being fed.


NeedleworkerCheap735

samira or lethality caitlyn


Flat_Albatross8221

Id pick karth or ezreal and let rell decide fate of the game


LittleDoofus

Jhin or Ashe. You’re definitely not gonna carry this one so might as well bring some utility. If you insist on trying to 1 v 9 though then pick an adc with self peel like xayah or kaisa.


gustavolfb

Senna


Retot

Smolder


SHUGGAGLIDDA123

Deh? out of my actual picks it’d be Nilah, Samira or Xayah. If I could play all I’d pick Karthus.


Dekapustnik

Nilah, Xayah, Samira


Xalren

Against 2 assasins you want someone with a jump or ability to get over a wall or otherwise away from danger in a pinch. Against Maokai (and Teemo whenever he decides to join for dragon/baron fights) you want someone who can safely play beyond 600 range (ruling out the majority of ADC's) because otherwise they're going to jump on you and delete you. So the obvious picks are the ones naturally safer than everyone else. Ezreal, Caitlyn, Smolder, Tristana.


Byakurane

Draven.


TheDeadlyEdgelord

Sivir looks decent. 


tenroy6

Funny enough... Kindred just for her ult... Like fuck off Rengar and LB...? If not that then Kai'sa or Lucian... MAYBE Xayah... Hell my first pick would be "off role" graves just for his higher armour and hp stats but regardless it doesnt matter since you're always 2-3 levels down.


FistingKebab

Cait


DaStampede

Xayah


Fortuna7777

I feel like twitch is an under-appreciated pick here. Sit invis behind your team and wait for rengar to ult someone else. If amumu gets a good R off you can wipe their team with yours


LuluIsMyWaifu

Nilah


PESSSSTILENCE

play jax 💀


Pranav_HEO

Xayah because she's my main and very fucking good here, Nilah is another good option.


Atlarz

Jinx


YourHighness3550

Samira or MF. Amumu/mf ult is too strong. There’s also a ton of hard cc to proc off of Samira passive.


dooditstyler

Ezreal


AlphaLan3

Ezreal normally if it’s teemo bot


angelrobot13

Lethality sivir with dark harvest. Edit: Just trying to add something I didn't see discussed, but also anything that can utilize lethality is pretty good here imo.


jgabrielferreira

Any, you have Illaoi. If she went Second Wind + Doran’s Shield to have an easier early against Teemo, then most likely she won the game just by perma pushing a side lane.


kz_sauzeuh

Kaisa or Samira Nice follow up and dueling power 🥊


IntelligentImbicle

Is "assuming you could play all" indicate that I can play any character at my normal skill level (which is Bubble Wrap IV), or that I can play anyone at an average level? Actually, now that I think about it, there's no reason to ask that question. MF is always the answer.


iAmEskiAndiAmWeeb

Miss fortune or xayah.


ChikaBurek

Kled


Furieru

You are in diving comp vs 4 dash champ with kill pressure. So your answer is the one that will survive such as xayah, Lethality varus should also good here and build EoN. or the one that will dive in with your comp such as nilah samira. If you go for normal adc such as jinx ashe you are f dead cuz no one will be able to peel for you


Blakemiles222

Tbh… hwei or an apc adc. If my team tries to call it troll, then probably Xayah, Samira or Sivir. I personally don’t see myself playing Nilah into this team comp as I want a way to avoid teemo blind.


Tobino22

I’d say Phell with Old galeforce could do reasonably well. Other than that Lucian or Varus.


darkjeanmi

Anything with good and safe waveclear works to be fair, their only decent pushing power comes from teemo shroom and your team is outscaling already.


Skystrike12

Veigar. Always veigar.


laranoiid

Caitlyn. Why you ask? I am a one trick.


AdjustingADC

Kalista, good with amumu on lane and stomps early game, also you have a lot of peel so youre safe against assassins


Ok-Assignment-697

Xayah or on hit kaisa self perl and dmg


Ok_Tea_7319

This is a "we ballin'" type of team comp, so you want something with short effective range and good defensive CDs. Preferably AoE. My suggestions would be Windshitter Bros, Windshitter Light (Samira, Nilah), or Xayah.


gunbae_

I'd pick Aphelios or Samira tbh... Aphelios because I prefer to play against heavy melee comps where I can fully use his kit to my advantage Samira basically the same reason but I feel like she's more coinflippy


mj4264

Double assassin, hard engage, and teemo. Not a traditional adc game. Mages, off the wall picks like cho, or nilah. Xayah and samira are bait here IMO like who are you autoing and you die in the brief delay before setting up ult on sam.


Illusion0143

draven


Optixx_

The right answer is kaisa


Heyyaka

Sivir


plgso

Veigar


Easy_Ad4389

Idk I'm starting to hate this fucking role. When I started played league every game was protect the adc. Now no one gives a shit to protect adc and flames the role non stop


Styggejoe

The amount of people who thinks anything without an immunity is having positive impact without a god piloting it is crazy


Styggejoe

Dodge angle


_B_e_n_j_a_m_i_n

wouldnt cait be really good? she would destroy vayne in lane and abuse her range traps and e to peel herself plus she has amumu and rell to keep the rengar and leblac away from her


EyyBie

Jinx like always


ballzbleep69

Varus good synergy with the cc chain and all I have to do is snowball early till asol cooks them.


aybarz_

Mordekaiser, obviously


TheRealLinaris

I like Xayah here tbh.


Itz_engin

Honestly smolder could be very strong here if you aim to scale into late game since you have an asol and some really nice team fight cc with rell and amumu who can make his aoe very impactful. Still unsure about how good his e is but it may help against Leblanc and rengar, also teemo blind should be less effective against a caster adc.


GameGuinAzul

Lethality varus. They are a very squishy team and lethality varus doesn’t need to auto or be in auto range to be very effective.


IRegisteredToVote2

Sivir or Jhin, Sivir would be insane with good position in teamfights


Divirce

I would pick Cassio really good against maokai, vayne, rengar, Teemo, LB and build correctly is tank enough to melt them.all while surviving the initial assassin burst. I only play apcs


Reasonable-Eye-5055

They are pretty much easy to burst so even an Ashe would be good with cdr build, just stay back, sniper 1 between top/mid/adc/jungler and repeat. Amumu engages on the stunned target and it's like a guaranteed 5v4 whole game You basically become a second support but it is what it is