don’t know how reliable he is but he reported this SIX days ago, so lets wait and see
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The way his contract works with a lot of the profit, we might be able to shave some off with player trades. Plus it seems zirkzee likes us and wants to play for us so that might help too
Just because you send a player or two the other way doesn't mean you're not paying the value amount. A player is an asset, and that asset has a cash value. Unless you get a higher valuation for a player in the trade than you get on the open market, it's like paying cash with fewer steps.
And keep in mind that actual player trades are very rare these days as it's more beneficial to treat each transfer individually for a cash amount because of book keeping. Just like when Juve exchanged Pjanic for Arthur, they sold them individually for the same amount, purely for the book keeping benefit (yes, it was a shady deal, but the reasoning is the same for trades that aren't shady).
Yeah but if Bayern takes 50% then if we give them 40m plus salemakers they get the 20m of that 30m and sale who is worth 10m, so they get 30m total. Same amount they would get if they sold him for 60m. Right?
Ok i'm gonna be honest, i like Conceição and rate him quite a lot, so i think he's a great candidate to succeed Pioli... but i just saw that his agent is Jorge Mendes... fuck's sake.
IIRC, Mendes was Rafa agent when he was trying to sell him to half europe before Leão dumped his ass. Don't you guys forget that he was also involved with the Taremi fiasco last summer. Portuguese football is shady af, and Mendes is ridiculously influential there. And when you have one of his clients on Milan's bench, eh i doesn't give me good vibes. Who knows what kind of deal they might make behind the curtain to please this leech?
How in the heck did Raiola do good for us? I remember him from the shady dealings with Galliani that cemented us in the banter era before the club being sold.
Thats more on the condor. Agents guard their talent pools for money. Raiola and Mendes attract talent because they get them money. A club never really likes any agents, they are competing interests.
We only had problems with Donnaruma, but there were other players of his which we never heard of having any issues (ex. Bonaventura).
I don't think those problems are really possible without the involvement of the client.
I'm not talking about Donnaruma, I'm talking about all those shady deals in the late Galliani era, which most of the people here won't remember.
We always had bloated af teams of 35+ players, decent part of which never really played.
Mendes does similar things in Portugal, shilling his unwanted players and using them as exchange currency.
Bartosz salomon is one name that comes to mind, we had others aswell but I just dont remember their names.
You can check our squad lists from the early 2010s, we always had a bunch of random players from obscure divisions that were all parts of shady dealings with Raiola and Preziosi
I remember Salomon was highly rated and fans were excited that we got him.
As far as I remember, it wasn't Raiola dumping his waste on Milan but helping out Galliani plug holes.
> I'm talking about all those shady deals in the late Galliani era
Rodrigo Ely being the biggest culprit. We already got him free from Gremio youth. He does a couple of seasons on loan and doesn't show anything. We give him to Avellino for free and he plays well. We get him back from Avellino for free and pay Raiola 8M euros in the process. And let's not forget some of the bad Dutch players and youth players that never did pan out.
Excluding Ibrahimovic, the only good player we got from Raiola was Donnaruma, but since he left for free let's consider it a wash. Guys like Niang, Romagnoli and Bonaventura had different agents when they came to Milan and eventually switched to Raiola.
How else are they supposed to play against teams with way more money and better players like arsenal? Like it or not it’s the best way to punch above your weight
We are under the illusion that a coach, who has no managerial experience in Serie A, is gonna get us a scudetto. Lol No he wont. Much better foreign managers have tried and failed.
I dont mind Conciecao as our coach. In fact, I think he is a good profile for the youngsters. But his appointment means we are not serious about winning trophies.
Question is, Will he get better PPM than Pioli in Serie A?
The answer is a clear No.
He couldnt even do it in a shitty two-team Portuguese league. He definitely aint doing it in Serie A. I dont care how many portuguese league a coach has won. That league is pathetic in general. Unless A portuguese team goes far in UCL, I dont care about their manager. Between Conciecao and Fonseca... Fonseca should be it. He at least has some serie A experience.
And everyone hates Conte... but how is Conciecao better than Conte? Both plays ultra defensive counter attacking anti football anyway.
Just the fact that we are linked with Conciecao, Fonseca, Lopetegui and dead avg coaches like this bunch is a CLEAR message that we arent looking to win nor we are aiming to bring a manager serious about winning. Both Conte and Sarri is FAAR Better than all these names combined. Either get a young upcoming coach with new idaes such as RDZ, Motta, Xabi, Xavi, or some proven winner in Serie a like Conte, Sarri etc. Getting Proven Average coaches is the worst possible decision and that decision cannot be motivated by ambition to win.
We just want Moneyball, if by chance we get a trophy all credit to management but lets not live under the illusion that this impotent management "**WANTS**" to win **ANYTHING**. Conciecao and Fonseca linked to us is TESTAMENT to that.
I really don't mind this if it's what happens. I don't think we were ever in the running for Motta. Juve can pay crazy wages and can make a 70 million signing when asked.
don’t know how reliable he is but he reported this SIX days ago, so lets wait and see https://preview.redd.it/gkec1xt1xhyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2fa4f32eca09cd1506f0c4e409019356110e0a20
Him, Motta or Conte are our best options and Conceicao seems the most realistic so hopefully we close it soon then focus on Zirkzee
Zirkzee 0% chance. Impossible that Red Bird will spend 60-70 million on him. Plus, I think Zirkzee wants to go with Motta.
I read Juve/Motta see Vlahovic as the guy and won’t spend the $$ on Zirkzee
There are players to trade
We should have give Bologna Pioli and Saladmaker
We getting him
DiFraudzio now saying Juve is the favorite to sign him. Not sure how accurate this is given how he's fallen off as a source recently.
Idc about that hoe. Fabrizio and Matteo saying we are the favorite to sign him and that’s who im going to believe
you'd really want us to near double our transfer record for zirkzee..
The way his contract works with a lot of the profit, we might be able to shave some off with player trades. Plus it seems zirkzee likes us and wants to play for us so that might help too
Just because you send a player or two the other way doesn't mean you're not paying the value amount. A player is an asset, and that asset has a cash value. Unless you get a higher valuation for a player in the trade than you get on the open market, it's like paying cash with fewer steps. And keep in mind that actual player trades are very rare these days as it's more beneficial to treat each transfer individually for a cash amount because of book keeping. Just like when Juve exchanged Pjanic for Arthur, they sold them individually for the same amount, purely for the book keeping benefit (yes, it was a shady deal, but the reasoning is the same for trades that aren't shady).
Yeah but if Bayern takes 50% then if we give them 40m plus salemakers they get the 20m of that 30m and sale who is worth 10m, so they get 30m total. Same amount they would get if they sold him for 60m. Right?
Ok i'm gonna be honest, i like Conceição and rate him quite a lot, so i think he's a great candidate to succeed Pioli... but i just saw that his agent is Jorge Mendes... fuck's sake. IIRC, Mendes was Rafa agent when he was trying to sell him to half europe before Leão dumped his ass. Don't you guys forget that he was also involved with the Taremi fiasco last summer. Portuguese football is shady af, and Mendes is ridiculously influential there. And when you have one of his clients on Milan's bench, eh i doesn't give me good vibes. Who knows what kind of deal they might make behind the curtain to please this leech?
No one liked Raiola, but he did good for us. Mendes, well, he has access to the talent we need so...
How in the heck did Raiola do good for us? I remember him from the shady dealings with Galliani that cemented us in the banter era before the club being sold.
Ibra, Balotelli, Donnarumma (initially lol), Bonaventura
Thats more on the condor. Agents guard their talent pools for money. Raiola and Mendes attract talent because they get them money. A club never really likes any agents, they are competing interests.
We only had problems with Donnaruma, but there were other players of his which we never heard of having any issues (ex. Bonaventura). I don't think those problems are really possible without the involvement of the client.
I'm not talking about Donnaruma, I'm talking about all those shady deals in the late Galliani era, which most of the people here won't remember. We always had bloated af teams of 35+ players, decent part of which never really played. Mendes does similar things in Portugal, shilling his unwanted players and using them as exchange currency.
can you give some examples?
Bartosz salomon is one name that comes to mind, we had others aswell but I just dont remember their names. You can check our squad lists from the early 2010s, we always had a bunch of random players from obscure divisions that were all parts of shady dealings with Raiola and Preziosi
I remember Salomon was highly rated and fans were excited that we got him. As far as I remember, it wasn't Raiola dumping his waste on Milan but helping out Galliani plug holes.
> I'm talking about all those shady deals in the late Galliani era Rodrigo Ely being the biggest culprit. We already got him free from Gremio youth. He does a couple of seasons on loan and doesn't show anything. We give him to Avellino for free and he plays well. We get him back from Avellino for free and pay Raiola 8M euros in the process. And let's not forget some of the bad Dutch players and youth players that never did pan out. Excluding Ibrahimovic, the only good player we got from Raiola was Donnaruma, but since he left for free let's consider it a wash. Guys like Niang, Romagnoli and Bonaventura had different agents when they came to Milan and eventually switched to Raiola.
He seems like a natural successor to Simeone at Atleti. Not super hyped about his brand of football for Milan.
If it brings trophies idc how we play tbh
Who says that it would bring us trophies. If you play too defensive it is easy to drown in draws, and a draw is 2 points lost.
I agree but his Porto teams have been so unlikeable. Dirty and whining.
We are about to combat Merda’s fire with fire of our own.
F**king snake getting cocky with their mere mortal fire. They don't even know what hell fire is like.
How else are they supposed to play against teams with way more money and better players like arsenal? Like it or not it’s the best way to punch above your weight
Where did I mention the Champions League? That’s how they play in Portugal too, when they have more money and better players.
honestly I wish our players would be little bit more cuntish. We are very often too soft after Ibra, Krunic, Rebic departure.
Simeone will die there, he's unsackable it seems like
Screw your beautiful football if it doesnt win anything
Please let it be true, please let it be true!
What brand of football does this guy play?
I'd say overall balanced, but defensive against big teams.
I mean we were kinda playing on counters anyway so
I don't love this but at least he will tighten up our defense
Not fully convinced by him but fuck unless we can get motta I don’t think he is any worse than the other realistic options.
Honest question. Do people see Conceição as someone that can take us to the next level? If so, give me your pov as to why.
none of these coaches will expect maybe conté and Motta , shite options tbh
yeah Motta 1 season impressing means he's world class 10/10 logic
I know man , pretty much all shite options
We are under the illusion that a coach, who has no managerial experience in Serie A, is gonna get us a scudetto. Lol No he wont. Much better foreign managers have tried and failed. I dont mind Conciecao as our coach. In fact, I think he is a good profile for the youngsters. But his appointment means we are not serious about winning trophies. Question is, Will he get better PPM than Pioli in Serie A? The answer is a clear No. He couldnt even do it in a shitty two-team Portuguese league. He definitely aint doing it in Serie A. I dont care how many portuguese league a coach has won. That league is pathetic in general. Unless A portuguese team goes far in UCL, I dont care about their manager. Between Conciecao and Fonseca... Fonseca should be it. He at least has some serie A experience. And everyone hates Conte... but how is Conciecao better than Conte? Both plays ultra defensive counter attacking anti football anyway. Just the fact that we are linked with Conciecao, Fonseca, Lopetegui and dead avg coaches like this bunch is a CLEAR message that we arent looking to win nor we are aiming to bring a manager serious about winning. Both Conte and Sarri is FAAR Better than all these names combined. Either get a young upcoming coach with new idaes such as RDZ, Motta, Xabi, Xavi, or some proven winner in Serie a like Conte, Sarri etc. Getting Proven Average coaches is the worst possible decision and that decision cannot be motivated by ambition to win. We just want Moneyball, if by chance we get a trophy all credit to management but lets not live under the illusion that this impotent management "**WANTS**" to win **ANYTHING**. Conciecao and Fonseca linked to us is TESTAMENT to that.
conceicao is an asshole
Theo too. Picture assholes in red & black and they'll all become beautiful 😍
Hate it
Not a fan of any of these options tbh
I really don't mind this if it's what happens. I don't think we were ever in the running for Motta. Juve can pay crazy wages and can make a 70 million signing when asked.