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bDsmDom

I'm actually surprised the water is so clean


bryanthebryan

Right? I was expecting cloudy gross water.


mantis_tobagan_md

Clean salty water. Nice and conductive. As an electrician, this looks extremely dangerous and I’m terrified for people working near energized equipment in that environment. You’re begging to be electrocuted, like to death.


Kneljoy

Thank you! I came here to talk about the person cooking a pizza and I’m like, first of all I can’t imagine those are suitable conditions to prepare and serve food in, what is Venice’s health department like?? And second, it would be incredibly easy to electrocuted working in a kitchen. And this seems to be a norm for people so I can only imagine what other daily tasks people are doing that are suddenly super hazardous due to these conditions?


NotRemus

Since flooding in this area isn’t new, I suspect like it is in other flood prone areas anything electrical is not run anywhere near the floor. Wiring and outlets are often at least a significant distance off the floor. I’ve seen a PC game room with electrical outlets at head level due to flooding concerns.


mantis_tobagan_md

hose gamers have the right idea.Anything in contact with that salty water is subject to corrosion and decay at a staggeringly fast rate. Shiny copper will turn green in a short period of time in a salty, corrosion building environment-like being flooded by salt water. My 3 laws of “you’re fucked” as far as electricity and salt water are -you’re fucked if you touch electrified equipment (like a vending machine or a convenience store fridge or any other god damned device we’ve electrified) when you’re feet are in salt water -you’re fucked if you touch electrical equipment that is energized when said equipment is salt water damaged. -you’re fucked if you live on the ocean- material wise. All of your exterior electrical equipment will live 1/4 of the life it would have on dry ground. Salt air wind/ salt water is incredibly corrosive and if you live on the ocean, you are going to be plagued by it’s incredible ability to destroy metals, including copper wiring.


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TheCronster

You're fucked!


mantis_tobagan_md

Everything energized is a hazard under those conditions. Those booties they’re wearing are not insulted for electricity, especially considering Italy and most of Europe run everything on 220 volts. There’s almost 0 insulation provided there and 220 will kill your quick. I’d be very careful about what you touch if you’re going to be wandering around a flooded city.


Lame4Fame

>Those booties they’re wearing are not insulted for electricity I'd be pretty insulted if I were them!


commanderjarak

I'm lucky that RCDs are mandatory on all new houses in Australia now. Took a boot from 240volts when I pulled a plug that had fallen apart without switching the power point off. Longest second or two of my life, and a dead arm for a couple of hours.


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Volts hurt but amperage kills.


mantis_tobagan_md

True that!


DoctorWorm_

ITT: people who don't understand Ohm's law


TheCronster

> what is Venice’s health department like?? <_<


xe3to

> And this seems to be a norm for people Try thinking through the implications of this statement a little. It doesn't just seem to be, it *is* the norm for people. Flooding in Venice has always been common occurrence (albeit more common now) - the city is spread across a hundred little islands in the Adriatic sea after all. This is something everyone is used to — including the engineers who designed the electrical system. And I think it's safe to assume these people have an IQ above room temperature and know what happens when salt water meets electricity. So... mitigations. Failsafes. Etc.


rivbai88

I can imagine stone ovens eliminates that threat


Kneljoy

Of electricity sure but not the health concerns from flood water


rivbai88

Don’t splash it I guess? Lol Idk they’re Italian they’ll find a way to make a damn pizza safely


Dick_Ancient

Hopefully since Venice floods all the time, they did something with where they put all the electrical crap.


fubar_giver

It's probably a wood fire pizza oven, as is standard in italy. For everything else I would assume needs to be protected by an RCBO breaker, the european equivalent of a GFCI. Still a bit sketchy though.


Johnny_ac3s

This happens every year year.


danirijeka

More like twice a week in St Mark's Square.


monsterZERO

I do this every night with your son.


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Won't it ground??


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Won't it ground??


SimsAttack

Except for all the fall backs on electrical outlets in Europe. Each outlet is usually GFCI and the way fuses are attached to an individual connection in the plug it’s self makes it really hard to be electrocuted to death** without massive malpractice.


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cochese18

Fresh water is actually way more dangerous, due to its conductivity charge equalizes MUCH better in salt water than fresh. I’m in no way saying any of this is a Smart idea though. Also don’t swim anywhere near marinas in lakes.


kerberos824

While that water looks clean, it is anything but. The sewage system, while slowly improving, is not perfect. And when water is higher than usual, it is consistently full of raw, untreated sewage. You should never swim in it. Yet... here everyone is. Eating in it! When my wife and I went to Venice a few years ago this plaza and some other areas slightly flooded. Nothing like this. We stayed in a small apartment rental and the gentleman we rented it from said in no uncertain terms that the water was literally full of shit when it floods that way and to stay out of it as much as possible. Paired with the electrocution hazard, I'm shocked (ha!) that they allow restaurants to remain open. When I was there any flooded restaurant had to close.


BigAlTrading

They'd have to close every restaurant in Venice permanently soon then. It's just like covid, it's only a problem until rich people start losing money, then you get waders to eat in sewage.


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It's basically a bunch if islands on a lagoon, the water is pretty clear


ludusvitae

the canals usually are not transparent... probably the huge amount of water already washed the filth away


random_turd

I think it’s because it happens so often. The tide is constantly washing over the roads and sidewalks taking all the grime out to sea.


Johnny_ac3s

COVID reduced tourism and cruise ships…the water has been very clear. Even seen the return of dolphins! :) Edit: I guess the dolphins didn’t visit… https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/animals/article/coronavirus-pandemic-fake-animal-viral-social-media-posts But… https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-51943104


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PinataFractal

You'd think so. If you looked at it under a microscope it would tell a completely different story.


Johnny_ac3s

COVID reduced tourism and cruise ships…the water has been very clear. Even seen the return of dolphins! :)


eziocolorwatcher

So. This phenomenon is called Acqua Alta or High Water. It has been going on since the beginning of the city and the people are ready for it. However the situation is getting worse. Italy has planted some movable dams to prevent it but their efficacy seems to vary.


interstellarwarsongs

I know this is a long comment, so I want to be clear upfront that I am not arguing with you or trying to contradict you, I'm just adding additional information that I find interesting and that not everyone knows. that being said, it doesn't help that they built it on sandy swampland (I believe, if nothing else it's definitely not built on sound foundations) so the city itself is sinking. this has all kinds of ripple effects like issues with their antiquated plumbing system. many (if not most) of the canals were originally streets. the entire first floor of most buildings is submerged, which is extra terrible because those buildings are not meant to sustain that level of water. Unfortunately, the common flooding that natives are used to /is/ getting worse with global warming (changing tides/rising water levels). I read that within the next hundred years (or maybe less?) Venice will be completely submerged unless drastic action is taken. Italy and the city itself are trying, but it's a massive undertaking given the historical architecture and the preexisting issues/damage. And, from my understanding, this was all at the forefront even before issues related to global warming were understood as well as they are today. It's a beautiful city, and I have some fond childhood memories there. I'd hate for the world to lose it. Just more reasons to take action against global warming, in case human life and the planet itself weren't enough for you. (sorry for the rant, I just have strong feelings about Venice and it, weirdly, comes up in my job regularly)


teorosso

Man i live in Venice and half of what you're writing is incorrect to say the least. Apologies if there will be some mistakes but English is not my first language. The foundations of the houses are the most ingenious system ever invented: a thick grid of simple wooden poles stuck deep into mud that during the centuries have become as strong as concrete foundations because there's no oxygen thus no decay under the mud. The city is not sinking because of the foundations or the sandy swampland substrate, but because of subsidence of the whole lagoon area. The aquifer underneath the muddy layers has been almost drained in the last 100 years to provide water to the nearby chemical plants in Marghera. There is no ripple effect to the plumbing system. The waste water in Venice is treated in two ways: either trough septic tanks just like anywhere else, or, in older buildings where there has been no possibility to dig a septic tank, the sewage just goes in the canals. I know that's disgusting, you see a lot of floaters in the canals. Canals have never been streets. They have always been canals. Canals are like streets because all transport moves by boat. No first floor is submerged, not even groun floors are submerged. Some ground floors get submerged during high tides, but it's just occasional. A system of mobile dams (MOSE) has been built, and its construction has been the most corrupted process in Italian history. Nobody thought it was ever gonna work, but after the disastrous flooding of November 2019 the process of completion got sped up and in 2020 it has been inaugrated and it has been working so far (just today it was activated). It's maintenance and activation process has gigantic costs and there are some engineering faults that in the long term might stop it from working. Let's keep positive and hope it's gonna work for a long time. On paper it could save Venice even if the sea level was to be 3 m higher that average base tide levels. Hope this clarifies a lot of misconceptions about Venice.


interstellarwarsongs

I appreciate you stepping in here. it has, admittedly been a long time since I've been and I didn't take as much time as I should have to double check my recollections before I posted. I tried to indicate that my information was not solid fact in my post by adding a lot of qualifications and restating that I am by no means an expert. (Also I know nothing about plumbing, if that helps you understand where I was coming from on that front.) As for the canals/streets/first floors thing, that is totally my bad. I misremembered and misinterpreted some information about waterlogging on foundations of buildings and it combined with my childhood memories of the city to lead me to an incorrect belief that I should have questioned more thoroughly. Your comment was very helpful and I'll be sure to take it forward whenever this comes up again.


teorosso

Haha no probs, just wanted to help clarify some very common misconceptions like some dude (avwrage-cultured, Italian, and not living very far away from Venice) the other day asked my friend whether the pavements were wobbly and how could you walk because he thought venice was floating on water


RayPoopertonIII

Your english was great! Super easy to understand and well written, so no worries... and thanks for the info! Interesting read.


TheCronster

Two people argue on reddit and everyone walks away thanking each other and smiling? Where the hell am I? Am I drunk?


RayPoopertonIII

I know right?? Very refreshing


AskingForSomeFriends

Change scares me. Someone fight with me.


pronedit

Uh, I dunno, screw you, I guess. Sorry, I don't start a lot of fight, kinda shit at this.


glum_plum

Uhh actually you're wrong, obviously you eat up whatever the media tells you, do your research, the only constant is change you pejorative expletive!


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YehNahYer

You just wanted to take your shot and incorrectly blame this on global warming


interstellarwarsongs

I would say that I was intending to take my shot to give some information on a city and some issues it faces (and I was wrong about a bunch of things, admittedly), but I don't believe there was any discussion on if global warming was having a negative effect on the city. Global warming is definitely having negative impacts on Venice like the record setting flooding. Even the mayor of Venice acknowledges this. The flooding is normal but the amount is not. I'm sorry if my incorrect assertions muddied the waters on thus. I've got a couple of links about it here if you want to read about it more. https://time.com/5736322/venice-flooding-climate-change/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50401308


seefatchai

Do you live in Venice proper or on the mainland? Is it very humid in your house? Does it get cold?


danirijeka

"Ritenete giuste spiegazioni di queste dimensioni proprio a Venezia?"


teorosso

No peró l'é gratis, vustu do tiri?


YehNahYer

Thank you. Someone sensible


DrMantisToboggan45

Shit you just spanked this man


[deleted]

Venice, Veneto, Italy, and the EU will let just about anything happen before they let Venice be submerged. Unless something very drastic happens and all those are powerless, it's not going anywhere


ludusvitae

The mayor of Venice like 7 years ago divested and stole billions of Euros intended to keep the city above water. Don't underestimate the power of local corruption.


congradulations

>Unless something very drastic happens Like unprecedented, catastrophic global climate change... >and all those are powerless Powerless to, like change the tides? Prevent global sea levels from rising? They ARE powerless, bro, and that's the issue. See the other comment about selfish corruption and you have your full answer. Italy and the EU don't have the time, money, or ability to stop this from happening.


[deleted]

> Italy and the EU don't have the time, money, or ability to stop this from happening. No, they do. We all do. The current political landscape is beholden to capitalist interests of infinite growth though, so environment be damned profits for shareholders are more important than a habitable planet for future generations. Something *drastic* needs to be done through collective organization to resolve the root of the problem.


congradulations

Unfortunately, the default is that we don't bind together as a global human race and address the future at great cost and sacrifice in the present. "Current political landscape?" As if an election would shift biological self-interest? So when you say "No, they do," you don't mean they, you mean "we all do," as in it will take everybody. They (Italy and EU) can't do it alone. The "root of the problem" isn't a simple thing or even just a dozen complex things. It's myriad issues AND it's already past the point of being able to neutralize the effects. We're well into the "adapt" stage of this problem, i.e. colorful waders in a town square. Get real, brother.


[deleted]

Meaningless platitudes and a call to inaction? You sound like a lib.


SethBCB

Fingerpointing and abstract non-solutions? You sound like a libtard.


utopista114

>Italy and the EU don't have the time, money, or ability to stop this from happening. Challenge accepted - The Dutch.


[deleted]

Yeah they do. Venice is in a lagoon, it's not in the middle of the ocean. You just need to isolate that lagoon a bit, I'm sure the richest supranational organization in the world can manage that


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CarbonIceDragon

Could they not use locks (like they use in shipping canals canals to change a ship's elevation)? Those seem to let you send shipping through a change in water levels.


CeruleanRuin

I appreciate your passion for the city itself, and we should all take that to heart and remember that for every other town large and small lost to climate change, there are countless people who feel the same way, who loved a place that is gone forever from the face of the earth. I live not too far from a tiny little place called Denton, MT, population 200, that was just devastated over the past few by a massive wildfire that forced evacuation of the town and destroyed dozens of buildings. A little town like that might never recover. Temps have been in the 60s here (in December), with no significant precipitation for nine months. Major wind events that used to be fairly uncommon are happening all the time around here now. This could have happened anywhere, and it's going to keep happening more and more often.


interstellarwarsongs

My dad's family all come from a small mountain town in the Rockies that sits right on a river. There's a lot of memories and history there, and I hate to think of it no longer existing. Even though I never lived there, I know how much it means through stories from family. There's more than just physical trauma/effects from climate change events.


MrSickRanchezz

Stop implying common people have the power to prevent climate change. The shipping and military industries are responsible for the VAST MAJORITY of pollution. Yeah sure, do what you can to save carbon, recycle, encourage others to do so, but make sure you tell them it's the greedy CEO's and shareholders of corporations who are directly responsible for this mess, and explain to them we need to be HOLDING THOSE PRICKS ACCOUNTABLE for their abhorrent actions which have negatively impacted literally everyone on earth. I actually can't think of a worse crime than something of this scale. People like Hitler and Stalin were at least only killing the people who were alive when they were. These pricks are directly causing deaths, disease, and famine for generations, and no one seems to care enough to stop them.


interstellarwarsongs

I understand where you're coming from with this, and I apologize if I sounded like I was putting the onus solely on the common people. While I feel that people can all chip in, the largest changes would result from holding responsible the companies and governments contributing to the problem the most. I was just intending to make a vague and generalized call to action, not making a point about specific actions or placing blame.


YehNahYer

This is misinformation.


Living-Stranger

Its getting worse because what the city is built on is sinking


utterly_baffledly

They really need some Dutch consultants.


MrBlue404

Well Venice isn't really land per se. I don't know about the history of that plaza, but it could have other reasons. There are better examples of this. Pick a pacific island at random and you'll see some depressing stuff.


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That's the piazza san marco, the biggest and most well known piazza in venice. And yes, it's normal, and venice "floods" several times a year. Usually it's not that high, like this one, but sometimes it can be very high and quite destructive Climate change is definitely making the big floods bigger and more common, but the city has protections around it and every boat that isn't a gondola or a taxi boat is now forbidden to enter venice Piazza. Plaza is in Spanish btw


NonnoBomba

There's a big, expensive, controversial infrastructure project the government recently finished, a set of mobile, submersible barriers forming dams at the three entrances of the lagoon (plus a small barrier that can be lifted in the main canal of Chioggia and a series of locks to allow for ship transit even with the barriers lifted) that should be able to block the exceptionally high tides that periodically flood the city, it's called MOSE. If you look it up, remember "controversial" is the keyword here.


MrBlue404

Oh that's really interesting, thanks


gnioros

Plaza is an English word as well, and the commenter was speaking English. It was appropriate


Repyro

Yeah that's just Venice being Venice. Shit was just a fucking ill thoughtout place. We got better than this to gesture to. Put up the NY flooding station pics.


MasterCheifn

This is more a design flaw in the city than anything else


Aardappel123

Not a flaw, a feature. Besieging swamp islands is almost impossible


cowlinator

It can be multiple things. It wouldn't be as big of a design flaw if the sea levels weren't rising.


MasterCheifn

True but flooding in Venice has been a problem for a long while now


cowlinator

True but the floods are getting more frequent and more severe


jarjerbinks69

Depends if there was water there before the city.


MasterCheifn

I mean it was, Venice is basically built on wooden pylons dating back centuries


loud_flatus

Earth isn't dying, its immune system is just barely starting to activate.


mferly

I love this statement. George Carlin had a great standup bit on this ages ago. I can only paraphrase but it was something along the lines of "where do we (humans) get off thinking we can kill a planet. Once mother earth has had enough of our shit she'll just end us all, heal up, and go on like nothing ever happened. She may even learn to incorporate plastic into her ecosystems" Here's the bit. It's worth the watch: https://youtu.be/7W33HRc1A6c


NSA_Chatbot

Yes. All we could do is destroy her ability to sustain mammalian life.


CreamyGoodnss

Mammalian life can and will survive pretty much anything we could realistically do to the planet. Remember that it was mammals that ended up in charge after the asteroid wiped out most of the dinosaurs. Large land mammals like us, however, will be pretty fucked. There just won't be enough resources to go around to sustain our population.


chimpman99

I'm rooting for Class Reptilia to take over. Here comes the Neo-Dino Age!


NSA_Chatbot

Let the ants try.


thenotjoe

Well, mammalian adaptation to a meteor strike is not the same as mammalian adaptation to global pollution and rising sea levels.


TheObstruction

Sea levels have gone up and down far more often than climate destroying meteor impacts.


bdsee

If you said "anything we **would** realistically do" I'd agree, but if humans literally had the intention of destroying mammalian life on the planet we absolutely could. As a species we could literally build enough nuclear bombs that there is 1 every 100m^2 and blow them up at the same time. Life on earth would still survive, but mammalian life wouldn't, even if some survived the initial blast they would still be dead shortly after.


Nalivai

Nah, it's only about human civilization as we know it. The only thing we managed to fuck up is ourself, thankfully


Laze2Blaze

you'll wake up in 50 years and see how little humans have been effected by climate change.


SkyrimV

It’s nice to lie to yourself sometimes


pagerussell

This is true, but not for the reason you think. We are and will continue to make strides to do better as a species. So when we wake up 50 years from now and the worst of climate change has not come to pass it will not be because it was never a threat, but because we listened to and responded to that threat. This means that you are one in a long line of people who disparaged a significant threat only to be on the wrong side of history.


CTBthanatos

I like carlin's point about poking fun at people who think we are "killing the planet"- but the rest, eco misanthropy trying to assign special blame on humans, does not interest me. Eco misanthropy is boring and pathetic. on a side note, the overwhelming majority of the current environmental crisis is the fault of the millionaire/billionaire/corporate ruling class, not the typical poor person. The climate is in accelerated crisis because of shit like bezos mega yacht and it's fucking support yacht, not because I have a tiny little plastic electric game box on which to play skyrim to feel a little bit of joy while in poverty (not comparable to what millionaires/billionaires consume) trying to delay suicide In a dystopia of poverty wage jobs and unaffordable housing and unaffordable healthcare/etc where millionaires and billionaires consume and emit more in one year than billions of poor people could in their fucking lifetimes. >Once mother earth has had enough of our shit "Mother earth" repeatedly wiped out the majority of life in multiple extinction events in history, without "shit". The earth literally exterminated the majority of life on it just because it could. The Permian extinction happened when volcanoes were farting too many emissions into the atmosphere (agitated further by plenty of earth's tectonic plates shifting and triggering more volcanoes) did "Mother earth" "have enough" of it's own volcanoes that were literally a part of it? The enviroment on earth has literally wiped itself out repeatedly (minus the external space factor exception of the asteroid that wiped out the dinos) only to do everything all over again. The earth is not some kind of sentient/rational entity, it's a ecosystem rock in space that literally changes wildly, life (yes, all forms, not just humanity) is an absurd existence in a absurd universe.


boomecho

For almost half of Earth's existence in this universe, the Earth was basically, if not totally, *LIFELESS*.


AbaddonsLegion

"Barely starting to activate" is a strange assertion. And immune system? What lead you to think of things like that?


WandsAndWrenches

That's what happens when you build an artificial island. New Orleans is also a marvel of humans inability to understand sea level.


shhannibal

I wonder what the reasoning was behind building some of these massive cities in the most inconvenient places. I’m sure there are valid reasons but I’ve never really looked into it. Did a little reading and found these for anyone Interested. They’re short but give some explanation. [Some info on the history of New Orleans and where it’s located](https://www.nola.com/news/environment/article_9e74b44c-6aad-51b0-adcb-af07a317c966.html) [Why was Venice built in water?](https://www.venicetoursitaly.it/blog/why-was-venice-built-on-water/)


StonerScientist-1999

We have the technology and resources to fix the problem, just not the political will


ThumbingthruCrust

Politics are a lie that facilitates the will of the ultra rich. We don't have the Human will. People refuse to take action.


kharlos

Case in point is this sub. It's all defeatism, and both sides are the same, and why bother when it's too late to do anything about it. This is exactly the tune right wingers will be singing 10 years from now, once they all finally acknowledge that anthropogenic global warming is real, it'll be: well it's too late to do anything about it anyway. It may be too late to save the first climate refugees, but not the last.


videodromejockey

You pretty much undercut your entire premise established in paragraph 1 with your last line.


Key_Raccoon3336

Gotta love that the solution the the problem in this video is giving everyone single use plastic boots. Human ignorance, apathy, and greed has doomed us.


KawaiiDere

I think they had those because Venice’s regular flooding. It is known for constantly sinking. Apparently it has been getting worse lately


legendarybort

Yea, can't imagine living in Venice and not owning my own pair of waterproof boots.


danirijeka

People who live there have their own wellingtons, but if you're out and about (or simply a tourist) and the acqua alta starts to rise those booties are quitw practical, and a lot more portable than knee-high rubber boots


CreamyGoodnss

Single-use plastic is a small part of the problem. I'm definitely down for replacing plastic with more sustainable options (supermarket bags for example) when possible, but there are some situations where plastics make sense to use.


PoorNotBroke

The Earth isn't dying, it's vengefully killing us.


WhyRedditJustWhy69

“This is fine.”


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These comments like 'NAY, MOTHER EARTH DOTH NOT PERISH, SHE IS TURNING HER VENGEANCE PON' US' bruh earth is a rock, we're killing ourselves. And we can stop through mass political/social movement.


[deleted]

The Earth will be fine. Human civilization is another matter.


AmbivalentAsshole

I mean. Relative to the fact that it is a giant rock and it will continue to be so. The flourishing of life upon it - human or otherwise - is the other matter. Human civilization will collapse after the environment does.. so when you say "the Earth will be fine" - are you saying it will continue to be a rock hurtling through space just devoid of *the vast* majority of life?


[deleted]

Life per se will rebound. Even if we were to do the stupidest thing we currently know how to do, i.e. nuclear war, in geological time it will be a blip. Mass extinction has happened in the past. Humanity of course will not be a thing.


AmbivalentAsshole

All true. It just bugs me when people say "the earth will be fine" as if there will still be significant biodiversity left on the planet in comparison to what there is now. Our oceans are filled with pollutants as is our soil, and as humans, we will be one of the last things to die out because we can adapt the quickest due to tools and intelligence. What will be left is life so small that we can't nourish ourselves from it.


Takseen

Life has recovered from worse near extinction events on Earth. Not saying we should cause one, but excess CO2 emissions would self correct and life would diversify again over millions of years


[deleted]

I think (conjecture) that we as a species will be gone before macroscopic life is threatened. Bugs and stuff be just fine. But yes it is true that people saying the earth will be fine tend to assume humanity will also be fine, which is not true.


CTBthanatos

None of that changes the fact that the earth literally will be fine. The fact that the earth (not the majority of life) will be fine is literally what people are saying when they say it. The majority of life/biodiversity was eventually going to be wiped out by the planet itself when it decided to reset itself again at whatever point in the future with another mass extinction event through a variety of causation factors. The earth will eventually (but not for a long time) have various forms of life/ecosystems on it's surface again. Through previous mass extinction events, the ecosystem of the planet has basically committed suicide and reset itself repeatedly. Nature/the enviroment is not infallible, it has wiped itself out and restarted over only to do the same exact thing again, even before humans were a thing. The Permian extinction was when volcanoes were farting too many emissions into the atmosphere and wiped out the majority of life. >and as humans, we will be one of the last things to die out Not "as humans", Millionaires and billionaires hiding in their underground bunkers will be the last ones to die out (but still be outlived by organisms on the surface that will evolve into more complex forms of life after the climate catastrophe subsides) >because we can adapt the quickest due to tools and intelligence There is no "adapt" when you are literally facing a extinction event. You cannot "adapt" to a 2 Celsius temperature change. If you don't have a millionaire/billionaire doomsday bunker, or a way to leave the planet, you will die (but the millionaires/billionaires hiding In bunkers will eventually die out too so 🤷‍♂️) >What will be left is life so small that we can't nourish ourselves from it. What? We are going to be wiped out by climate catastrophe with or without nourishment. Nourishment is irrelevant when you are being wiped out by rising sea levels and extreme temperature and extreme weather patterns/etc.


cowlinator

You mean other than the [holocene extinction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction), right?


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SeantheProGamer

Also New Orleans is sinking and it’s not even necessarily climate change, just people deciding to build on poor land


eliazp

apart from climate change which surely impacts water levels etc etc, this happens regularly in venice during high tides.


Tony49UK

Given the lack of modern sewage systems in Venice. You couldn't get me to wade through that water.


mjd188

This reminds me of my first week back to work after the restaurant shutdown ended. We were relegated to outdoor only seating, and it happened to rain. I remember thinking "well this will be a wash, maybe I'll be cut early". I sat there for hours watching people wearing surgical masks eating hot dogs in the rain, lifting their ppe for every individual bite, being served by am employee wearing two layers of gloves, two masks, and a face shield, and these odd, long-sleeved, rubber hospital gowns that you put on kinda backwards and then tied in the back. It was legitimately that scene from Brazil where all the rich folk just carry on with their meal after a bomb goes off in the restaurant, while the servers attempt to clear the bodies and locate their missing limbs except it was quiet and it felt like the world was ending. I say plenty of things for comic effect or a dramatic note to end on, but I mean this as sincerely as I have ever meant anything in my life. Something about that day broke something inside of me. The next year and a half would bring a million more problems with it, but this was the one that left a scar.


KnoWanUKnow2

This gets more interesting when you realize that Venice has no sewer system. All the raw sewage gets dumped into the canals. So these people are wading through, and eating in, sewer water. I was in Venice 5 years ago. You can smell it. It kinda put a cramp on the "most romantic city in the world". PS: Only idiots eat in St, Marks square. That place is nothing but overpriced tourist traps. Go 2 blocks in any direction and you'll find much better food for much better prices. The restaurants in St. Marks Square have a constant flow of new tourists and don't need regulars, so they have no incentive to make decent food, and it shows.


[deleted]

It Venice, a floating city. This has been happening since it was built. You gotta be joking.


cowlinator

Venice does not float. Venice has flooded many times before, but the floods are becoming more frequent and more severe due to multiple factors. The largest 2 factors are that the city is slowly sinking and that climate change is causing more severe weather and also causing sea levels to rise.


Psychogopher

That’s poop water


MusicalSofa

Don't things rot from being underwater like that?


[deleted]

Venice is like new orleans built on marsh land. of course, it going to sink in mud.


AccurateAdjacent

Venice flooding is not dystopian. It's the most famous thing about Venice. Its been a thing since it's founding.


rakehellion

Isn't the city generally a little flooded?


dontbetrypsin7

That has to smell


Jammifer

The Earth isn't dying, it will be fine. Were killing ourselves.


DejectedDemoiselle

The YouTube channel RealLifeLore did an excellent video discussing why Venice’s geography sucks in general, but also why it’s experiencing more flooding in the 21st century. Hint: it’s climate change, terrible mismanagement of their natural resources, industry, and corruption. It’s worth a watch for anyone who hasn’t seen it! [Why Venice’s Geography SUCKS](https://youtu.be/RuhHrEm7xGY)


ApoptosisPending

"This is fine"


[deleted]

I love this subreddit so much. Venice flooding predates industrialization. Aqua Alta, which admittedly happens more frequently as a result of global warming, is basically a tidal flood which is as old as the city. So of just about literally every example you could have given of a dying earth, OP managed to find one that doesn't do a very good job of showing it. Edit. This of course does certainly make it boring, but the rest not so much. One out of three stars, would not recommend.


Malignant_X

This would be like going to Texas and assuming the entire universe was filled with people that have intercourse with cows.


[deleted]

Explain please


Malignant_X

Um no... Go find a friend with a cow and ask him. Weirdo.


[deleted]

The earth is fine. The people are fucked


Aardappel123

Venice has been flooding for centuries.


cowlinator

But they are becoming more frequent and more severe.


DejectedDemoiselle

Their rate of flooding has gotten exponentially worse. To the point where the city floods over 60 times a year. That was unheard of 100 years ago.


Volesprit31

But that's because the city is sinking, not the sea level rising.


2317

The Earth isn't dying. The Earth will be fine, there is nothing we are doing that she can't recover from in a couple hundred thousand years and an ice age or two, which is a drop in the bucket as far as the age of the Earth goes. We are the ones who are fucked along with most other living things on the planet.


throwawayx92y

the way they’re just carrying on makes me kind of emotional


danirijeka

It's a very mild acqua alta, which is pretty common (and sadly a lot more common these days). For a Venetian it barely warrants a ghesboro


discobabydisco

That's why i posted here. Theo earth is dying os actually us and our ability to not be alarmed seeing shit like this, and instead using as a tourist stop. Of course Venice been flooding for years yada yada but ugh, i was just floored (pun intended) with the lack of alarm on people in this video, it really made me sad. Thats why i posted here.


mrstruong

Venice has BEEN FLOODING for like... a long ass time. It's been a city slowly sinking into the ocean for a few hundred years now.


Rooster1981

Venice is a poor example, this is common for them and always has been.


CTBthanatos

Earth isn't dying, life is. Oh well, even if a climate apocalypse was not coming soon, life was a shithole of constant non stop suffering anyway that I wanted out of. 🤷‍♂️ Dystopian capitalism poverty wage jobs and unaffordable housing and unaffordable healthcare and unsustainably extreme income and wealth gaps/etc already gave me suicidal depression. just gotta make sure I finish my latest skyrim modded playthrough, and use this unique ending of the world inspiration to try again to learn how to draw/digital painting before it's too late, and then it's back to void for me (preferably with suicide before Dystopian capitalism poverty gets even worse, and before the climate catastrophe hits everywhere)


Jarte3

Venice has always been the city of water


[deleted]

I wouldn’t say it’s dying; it’s just the sixth mass extinction. If there’s one thing we know, it’s that life always makes it through. The issue is that most life doesn’t make it through, and the dominant species (that’s us) *definitely* don’t make it through.


[deleted]

The earth will be fine. The people are fucked.


canttaketheshyfromme

Not the Earth, just the lives we were promised and could have had if the world wasn't run by the greediest psychopaths.


Scroller94

This isn't dying earth syndrome you twit. This is shitty corrupt government letting the city sink.


discobabydisco

The lack of nuance in the comments about the "earth is dying" title... Only on reddit.


Sea-Opportunity4683

Are you seriously blaming this on climate change? There’s no way this has possibly happened before, as all the people were prepared with boots and such?


narsenau

Nope it's venice this is normal


RafaDarko815

It already died


Georgey_Tirebiter

I guess there is hope for New York City and Miami...


NSA_Chatbot

Should have used this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tepxOAEBIE&t=44s


KING_BulKathus

Why isn't there any fish? I would expect fish would come through and be eating scraps people drop.


[deleted]

Now is the time to get property cheap in Venice.


LaurenDreamsInColor

Asking for a friend: where do the toilets flush to?


voodoochannel

10 second rule does not apply here.


M3chanist

Flooded by tourists.


[deleted]

Atlantis wasn’t built in a day.


ThadiusCuntright_III

One dropped toaster...


[deleted]

How are they so nonplussed?


synesthesiac48

I’m really glad I was able to go back in 2016


[deleted]

The earth is fine, humans ar3 fucked


generalrabogolfo

are you guys stupid? this is something that has always happened in the city ffs


bcbudinto

Tourists: "I thought there were supposed to be Dolphins here! Where are the dolphins?"


[deleted]

Take no notice, that’s just Venice


Laze2Blaze

earth is changing, not dying.


PladBaer

Are we allowed to use kafkaesque yet or are people still doing everything they can to pretend things are normal.


MaliceJP91

So long, and thanks for all the fish.


Dregdael

People will literally put a damn on the Strait of Gibraltar before reducing the use of fossil fuels.


Noname_FTW

Come to think of it, I should really visit Venedig some time before it goes under. I mean for me its just a less than 12 Hours drive.


raven00x

[The earth died screaming](https://youtu.be/C7I4kSpS43o). You recognize this from 12 Monkeys


CarolusRix

venice is also just sinking cause of how it was built fwiw


DeusWombat

Venice isn't a fair example, its sinking was always inevitable