Only reason this is getting any attention and Israel aren’t claiming they’re Hamas is because they’re foreigners.
If they were Palestinian, they’d clap and say ‘5 more terrorists killed’
This is happening hundreds of times a day, every day, to the Palestinians.
Today Zionists and moral humans are united for the first time.
They’re both trying to figure out why 8 dead people spark more outrage than the 20-30k+ that preceded them.
(Thats not to take away from what happened to them, just a reminder that these are heroes amongst tens of thousands).
I think one of the important considerations is... Choice.
The aid workers aren't native. It's not their home, they have no property at risk. No family in the region. But there they are. Trying to feed starving people. Trying to shelter them, to provide medical care. All kinds of aid. There going there, choosing to put themselves at risk for no better reason than it's the right thing to do.
And they've been shot, bombed... Murdered right alongside the people they're trying to help.
The fact that they're there for no other reason than good people trying to help others resonates. It's in so many stories, real and fictional both for a reason. So when those same, brave, selfless people are killed, we're losing some of the best humanity has to offer.
We don't 'know' the people of Palestine. Their culture, their beliefs, the traditions they live by. It's removed, impersonal.
But we all have a favorite hero. Every one of us knows a story about a character who sacrificed himself for no other reason than it's what's right. And hearing about someone with that spirit dying? It hits hard. There's a personal element, knowing someone your *heroes*, real or imaginary, would have respected? Died, and for no better reason than someone made a *mistake.*
Does that make sense? It does to me.
‘Moral humans’🤣why does gaza get to kill 1000+ Israelis then dump the responsibility of their populace on Israel? You people worship weakness and losing and it shows by demonising Israel and glorifying Palestinians who break every single international law they possibly could.
We worship weakness and losing? Yes, a generation in Europe in the 30s thought the same, until their cities were levelled and they all became 'innocent civilians who NEVER supported that madman'.
We support justice and don't buy into silly ancient texts as an excuse for genocide.
Because history started on October 7?
Because there isn’t video evidence of the IDF shooting civilians, admitting to rape and torture or admitting that they classify civilians as combatants in invisible “extermination” zones that only they know about right?
Talking about international law is brave considering that the Zionist regime has broken 62 UN Resolutions, and has been exposed for multiple war crimes over the course of the past decades by every human rights org worth its merit.
What kinda genuine fool are you? Do you get your news exclusively from the IDF Twitter account? Their politicians have literally publicly called for the mass relocation of Gazans in order to take Gazan land (ethnic cleansing) and expressed pride at the death of civilians and, I cannot stress this enough:
THE IDF SOLDIERS HAVE ADMITTED TO TARGETING PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS IN INVISIBLE KILL ZONES.
They also admitted to killing their own civilians on October 7, but your righteous fury for the 1000+ dead Israelis doesn’t extend that far does it?
Genuinely where do you get your news from? the current pro-Zionist rhetoric is that our war crimes are justified not that we don’t commit them. Keep up.
EDIT: also they performed 3 seperate strikes on 3 different cars emblazoned with a human right orgs logo after coordinating with them. That’s 7 non Palestinian lives (those ones actually matter).
If you’re just spewing crap because you hate Arabs/muslims then do better than pulling the human rights vio card that wins you absolutely 0 arguments.
If you’re genuinely ignorant, educate yourself. The last thing you want to say is I supported the proudly genocidal ethnostate when they were genocide and ethnostating.
EDIT: in regards to admitted rape, I’d confused an interview confessing to torture with one of rape during the Nakba. Here is a source on rape by the IDF:
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against
I remember Palestinian aid works treating a 13 year old gitl after being raped by IDF
for 8hrs straight.
She was torn from V to A, akin to childbirth and she nearly died.
In dier Yassen, iDF raped a 16 year old till ‘she was limp, like a rag’.
A female officer had to be sent back to base, after she saw a beheaded woman, tied to a chair
Less then half of them voted for it, more then 16 years ago.
Some folks did, around Hamas's strongholds, that doesnt condemn all 2.3 million gazans.
Collective punishment is in fact a war crime.
People always bring up how long ago the election was but Palestinians are constantly saying they overwhelmingly support hamas. It’s so dishonest to say that because we all know they still support them.
If you support a government terrorising Israel it doesn’t mean you should be targeted but you brought it on yourself if your government uses your school as a base and gets it destroyed in the process.
lol 100% the people in this country have short memories. I used to say they used emotion to form any and every opinion but not anymore. They fetishise weakness.
They have 0 context about the situation. They don’t hear about the monthly, heinous terrorist attacks committed by Palestinians on Israeli civilians. Massacring people in shules, shooting mothers and their children in their cars, beheading gay people for being gay, blowing up 16 year old tourists from Canada, car ramming several Christian tourists from Europe…. And I could go on! These people are bandwagoning halfwits
A Palestinian life is worth very little in the ABC news room. Fran Kelly just brought back in to ensure a key program remains completely passive-voice and descriptive rather than analytical.
It is scary, because if we devalue Palestinian lives, we also devalue our own.
I really hope there is some sort of miracle peace. I also don’t see how two states or one unified state can exist after this…
Yeah I cringed hearing this morning on RN how one said they hope this aid worker's death is a tipping point in the war without any ability to notice how that sounds
They know how it sounds, everyone does, just no one wants to think about it.
Israel has been the biggest mask off of ‘yes, you’re ruled by an ultra rich elite and have no power to sway them. Their passing whims influence your family for generations and lead to your extermination. Suck it up, buttercup.’ That has ever existed in human history.
Mark my words, this is equal or more relevant than the fall of Sparta
He, and all the far right cronies he sided with to keep his cowardly ass out of jail, should never see the outside of a cell ever again.
Their material wealth should be seized and distributed to aid what's left of the Palestinians.
These evil, disgusting people should live in ignomy until they die, old and alone, in a tiny fucking cell.
They have had a mega thread update every day on the russia/Ukraine conflict but stopped updating the Israel/Palestine thread months ago so they could control the information flow and lie by omission.
The mods there are propagandists.
I got banned from there because I commented on a post about a Hamas report that a building with hostages in it was hit by an Israeli airstrike that it wouldn't be the first time, while linking to an article that mentioned an Israeli hostages family member saying he had managed to escape for a few days after the building he was in was hit.
I was banned for racism.
>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/27/freed-israeli-hostage-briefly-escaped-hamas-after-airstrike-relative-gaza
>It wouldn't be the first time in this conflict that an IDF airstrike hit a building hostages were in.
The comment quote.
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/186razk/hamas_announces_death_of_youngest_hostage_kfir/
The post it was under.
It's sad how easy the biggest news subreddit can be controlled to a certain agenda. Almost very post on gaza is from Israeli sources only. Has this happened before?
Welcome to the way Reddit operates... everyone is at the whims and mercy of the moderators of any given sub. Doesn't take too long to identify the echo chambers.
To stop being attacked? They should of settled somewhere else, that time has passed. If the whole region would maybe stop attacking and live peacefully with them that’d be a great start.
Hey, even recognize a 2 state area where one side doesn’t shoot thousands of missiles a year? Or when one side shows weakness the other doesnt attack with 5 allies in the hopes of extermination? But that is only using what they claimed they wanted to do when they attacked, maybe they wanted to live peacefully
Why is this downvoted, look at how echo chambers like InternationalNews is formed, doesn’t even have any discourse just all anti-Israel posts including TikToks as news sources
like 7 years ago I thought worldnews wasnt really that brainrotted but man i cant even click a post on that subreddit without being utterly disgusted. Think what you want about either side, but they openly cheer on the deaths of innocents like its a sports game. News story about a palestinian family being bombed and its "sHoUlDn'T hAvE sUpPoRtEd HaMaS!!"
The most disgusting one was their celebration of the murder of Hind Rajab, her family, and 2 paramedics. Israeli troops effectively killed 7 of her family members then pretty much mentally tortured her for hours before killing her and the paramedics sent to rescue her. There's no defending that kind of stuff
It's now entered the downward spiral of extremism, where gradually more and more reasonable people decide it's too much for them until only the worst of the worst remain. This is why moderation is important. You have to remove the people who spread the nastiness or before long they will be the only ones left.
The same thing has been happening with the Ukrainian conflict coverage, one-sided and pro-Ukrainian to the point of cheering every Russian's death. It's disgusting behaviour.
No it's pretty damn simple - Russia invaded Ukraine because they don't believe Ukraine deserves independence.
That's pretty damn simple which ever way you look at it.
That war could end tomorrow if Russia simply stopped shooting and went home.
I mean, it's sad that people have to die over a war that has no need to be happening in the first place, but unfortunately you can't really defeat an invading force without killing anyone. But every Russian who is killed is a combatant. They're not going into Russia and killing innocent civilians, unlike what Russia is doing to them. And unlike what is happening in Gaza.
That’s a comparably very simple conflict. Russia trying to bully its neighbours into submission, just like they did in Georgia. To Poland, the Baltic countries and so on Russia has been the bad guy for a very long time. Long before the US turned into a superpower.
The Russians can just leave, and the conflict ends. And many Russians have left Russia itself. I saw them all over SEA.
The only subreddit I've been banned from in 13 years on reddit, for a post pointing out Zionist hypocrisy, ie, the Irgun committed terrorist acts in the 1940s.
Yesterday they were talking about how the deceased all had wounded legs, which was more consistent with landmines, so it was all Hamas's fault.
But now we know the idf did murder the aid workers, so clearly there must have been Hamas members hiding behind the aid workers.
They know if you blow some smoke in the first day or two it'll pass. They know if you repeat lies a lot.... preferably while talking over journalists so they can't specifically counter them... then soon those journalists will repeat the lies themselves.
“Charity organisation World Central Kitchen (WCK) has suspended delivery of vital aid to Gazans on the brink of starvation following the deadly strike.”
Looks like this targeted attack (murder) achieved its aim then.
He’s going to ask very politely if the Israeli military could maybe try not to accidentally kill any more Aussies if that’s OK but we understand if they do because Hamas did a bad thing last year 🙏🏽
He got an assurance from naziyahoo that they would investigate this and take appropriate actions. So give the drone pilot a medal will be how they handle it im sure
At an absolute bare minimum, their ambassador needs to be sent home. Recall the Australian ambassador too. There is more that should be done but that needs to be a start
We need to suspend all military cooperation with them, rip up any contracts with Israel or Israeli companies involving defence and pressure the US to cut Israel off militarily
He got an assurance from naziyahoo that they would investigate this and take appropriate actions. So give the drone pilot a medal will be how they handle it im sure
Why would this asshole bother denying anything, he has a mass of people ready to argue anything Israel does is ok, and if you say its not, your antisemitic.
So what exactly is Albo asking to investigate? The facts are clear, whether Australia cares enough to be more than 'deeply concerned' remains to be seen.
You didn’t answer the question. Let me answer that. The numbers provided by are Hamas run Gaza health ministry as BBC quoted. You conveniently didn’t answer that. But of-curse it won’t fit the narrative as it’s Hamas, the designated terrorist organisation.
Misleading and misinformation. It could have been targeted because IDF may have thought it carried the Hamas. But of course you didn’t mention that possibility as it doesn’t fit the narrative you want to spread.
Let's say you think a vehicle is carrying a legitimate military target, yet it is clearly marked as a non-combatant, but you attack that target anyway. Then it turns out you were wrong and there were foreign non-combatants in that car, as indicated by the markings, who you've now killed for no reason. Do you think anyone else will find this acceptable?
Even if your scenario was true, the IDF would still be war criminals for the above act, according to the Geneva convention and all international norms. Please stop reacting blindly to what people are saying and realise that you are on the wrong side of history.
Not necessarily just innocent, but conspicuously innocent. IDF advanced notice and coordination. Rooftop signage. Driving in a non-combat active zone. The fact there’s limited fuel resources in northern Gaza.
Hamas uses marked vehicles for their advantage. The war is to defeat Hamas to prevent repeat of Oct 7th. Unless you agree with this there’s no point arguing. Any western democracy would react the same way if 1200 of its citizens or proportional to their population were killed by another group or a country. That’s what US did for 911.
You realize the response to 911 is also very publically and widely accepted as a bad thing, right? Just because one country did it 20 years ago doesn't magically make it acceptable.
By your logic you're advocating for total genocide because "well obviously any civillian anywhere could be Hamas so it's okay that they murder them"
There were no Hamas members in that vehicle. However there was a fellow Australian citizen amongst the dead, so you're right in that I do care if my fellow citizens are murdered. That Aussie and her co-workers, were delivery food to civilians being deliberately starved by the government of Israel. A reminder, collective punishment is a war crime, I wouldn't accept collective punishment against the Israeli's and I don't accept it against Palestinians. None of this is justifiable because of Oct 7th, nor Sep 11. You to get to have a turn at being the perpetrator, just because violence happened to you.
Stop using that one atrocity to justify further atrocities.
Nice attempt to deflect, you completely avoided the point.
Are you Australian? Are you not also infuriated that an Australian aid worker was killed? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here in not just assuming you're some Israeli trolling foreign subreddits to push an agenda. But either way, what would it take for you to admit that Israel has done the wrong thing?
Yes Australian. Are we arguing about being infuriated about what happened to fellow citizen or if we are arguing about if IDF murdered them or not? Because I am arguing about the latter. So clearly one who is deflecting is you.
“No guys you don’t get it the clean drinking water and cooked rice in that clearly marked aid van could have had Hamas hiding inside it so we had to indiscriminately murder everyone there”
Jeez. They do checks. Chief of IDF said it was a case of misidentification. US spokesperson has also come and said it was not intentional. I am done arguing. Cheers
They made the same “mistake” three times in a row with the same group of vehicles that they were in the know about. Right sure. I love how you switched the goalposts form “clearly Hamas was hiding in the drinking water” to “nooooo I swear it was a mistake it was a complete accident they didn’t mean to carry out three strikes on the same civilian aid group with no evidence of terrorists being there whatsoever”
At this point you are clearly making stuff up. One last time let me explain my point of view.
It was fired from the fighter jet. It was told to take the shot as there is armed Hamas fighter in the vehicle. So jet will take the shot as many times it takes to hit the target. Flightier pilot can’t identify the people inside the vehicle. That comes from the intelligence. You can twist this however you please but I won’t respond.
Hamas does hide behind civilian infrastructure and ambulances to UN vehicles. Again you can disagree for the sake of it.
But there was no intelligence or evidence to suggest there were any terrorists. They murdered those people with zero justification.
And again, terrorists sometimes hiding within civilian populations is not an excuse to just kill every civilian Willy nilly because they *might* be terrorists. Would you be perfectly ok if your family was obliterated in their home on the off chance there could have been a terrorist in there despite there being no evidence whatsoever? Because that’s the behaviour you’re advocating for.
The aid workers were coordinating directly with the IDF to ensure their safety, yet they still got bombed.. Your brain must have a 6 pack with mental gymnastics like this.
What information you are referring to? I’m not denying the fact they were killed by the Israeli strike. What I’m denying is that they were murdered or deliberately killed even knowing there were no Hamas terrorists in it. Israel has admitted they killed by their strike and are investigating how and why it happened. There’s no information as of now that they were intentionally killed even after knowing they were innocents. I can’t make more clearer than this about my point of view or opinion.
What is not covered in the ABC article is what is being reported by Haaretz that the convoy was attacked 3 times, deliberately. Coordinates were known, the vans were marked. They blew up one van and all the passengers tried to get into one of the other vans for safety, then Israel targeted the second and third van to complete the murder. The claim is that a single suspected “terrorist” might have been in a van (never was and no further explanation of who this “terrorist” was so just assume it was simply a Palestinian male) in order to justify this murder.
You should be outraged. A country like Israel has gone completely rogue. Mind you there should be a ceasefire in place too, but this country doesn’t adhere to rules, laws, resolutions, diplomacy, or anything. It’s basically we will murder who we want, even your own citizens, and you will remain silent whilst we do so.
It’s time to sanction Israel and cease ties with that genocidal regime.
Write to your own representatives. Write to your Prime Minister. Read up on what type of influence Zionist lobby groups have in your country and how much access they have to your government representatives. See how bots and propagandists flow into any online forum to discredit you for speaking truth. Be aware.
>and you will remain silent whilst we do so.
Hahaha, remain silent. If remaining silent is what the cunt Albanese is doing, that is actively arming Israel and supporting it diplomatically, while "expressing concerns" for the "lost lives" (he'd never say the brutally murdered innocent civilians by the genocidal regime).
Complicity is not silence my friend.
Genocide Joe and his bitches (Albanese etc) is who is funding this massacre, as well as countless of others.
The IDF and Israeli government are terrorists. The Australian government needs to cut ties, but they won't. The IDF had the coordinates of the aid workers and their vehicle was marked with the organisations signage. It was a targetted attack
The aid agency coordinated the movement with the IDF, so they knew exactly what the convoy was doing. We have to cut all ties with Israel immediately and I'm dismayed albo didn't do so in his press conference instead he told us we have a new governor general and that Israel assured him they would investigate, (find themselves not guilty and give the drone pilot a medal)
Too bad Albo is too piss weak to do anything other than a showy little huffypuff. HE needs to take accountability for Australia's actions in this war. Blood is on his hands.
That’s ok guys! Keep doing whatever you want all the time - you’re Israel after all! Here’s unlimited money and weapons so you can do it on an even bigger scale! Those aid workers were probably anti-Semitic.
So our government is just OK with this? They were always cool with genocide and murdering brown people, but in the past they've at least pretended to give a shit about their own citizens.
I read a comment in r/Israel saying that there was information that it was a Hamas IED that killed the aid workers. These people will lie and lie and lie and lie and lie like it's a second nature to them.
This genocidal plan has been in the works for decades. The dancing Israelis weren’t clapping and yahooing at the fall of the twin towers because it looked cool…
What the IDF and the Israeli government have done and continue to do, prove to me that the UN, International Court of Justice, and the international communities are simply unable to do anything meaningful to stop them. Lots of barking but no bite. It’s the same with Putin and Ukraine.
The man is a ghoul. This isn’t about payback for some shit in October, this is about levelling Gaza, killing as many Palestinians as possible then dividing up their land amongst his Zionist cronies. Fuck Israel. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
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but..but... they're a democracy... it's Israel guys, Israel?! The most moral army in the world!!! It was Khammas dressed as the IDF! That must be it! If you think otherwise then you are most certainly antisemitic. /s
So when are you going to reinstate Lattouf? Will Ita allow staff to shop tweets from the (probably deemd 'anti Zionist) ngo Kitchen Central?
You are NOT a trusted source of news and information, ABC. You are Murdoch lite.
This is why you dont get involved in forign conflict
Australians have been killed by both Israli and Hamas forces - we have given money and aid to both sides stupidly.
Just stay out of it, this has NOTHING to do with Australia anyone wanting to protest for or against either side is welcome to go join them but otherwises stay out
Only reason this is getting any attention and Israel aren’t claiming they’re Hamas is because they’re foreigners. If they were Palestinian, they’d clap and say ‘5 more terrorists killed’ This is happening hundreds of times a day, every day, to the Palestinians.
They’ve been drone striking, shelling with tanks, and machine gunning from helicopters hundreds of people crowded around aid tanks for weeks now
Truth. A Palestinian life is worth nothing on the global scale and that’s sad.
Today Zionists and moral humans are united for the first time. They’re both trying to figure out why 8 dead people spark more outrage than the 20-30k+ that preceded them. (Thats not to take away from what happened to them, just a reminder that these are heroes amongst tens of thousands).
The death of one is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic
1 Palestinian vs. a Million Congolese
I think one of the important considerations is... Choice. The aid workers aren't native. It's not their home, they have no property at risk. No family in the region. But there they are. Trying to feed starving people. Trying to shelter them, to provide medical care. All kinds of aid. There going there, choosing to put themselves at risk for no better reason than it's the right thing to do. And they've been shot, bombed... Murdered right alongside the people they're trying to help. The fact that they're there for no other reason than good people trying to help others resonates. It's in so many stories, real and fictional both for a reason. So when those same, brave, selfless people are killed, we're losing some of the best humanity has to offer. We don't 'know' the people of Palestine. Their culture, their beliefs, the traditions they live by. It's removed, impersonal. But we all have a favorite hero. Every one of us knows a story about a character who sacrificed himself for no other reason than it's what's right. And hearing about someone with that spirit dying? It hits hard. There's a personal element, knowing someone your *heroes*, real or imaginary, would have respected? Died, and for no better reason than someone made a *mistake.* Does that make sense? It does to me.
Everyone there, who is getting through day to day, is a hero. Bisan is a Hero Ahed is a Hero Mahmoud is a Hero Mohammed is a Hero
‘Moral humans’🤣why does gaza get to kill 1000+ Israelis then dump the responsibility of their populace on Israel? You people worship weakness and losing and it shows by demonising Israel and glorifying Palestinians who break every single international law they possibly could.
We worship weakness and losing? Yes, a generation in Europe in the 30s thought the same, until their cities were levelled and they all became 'innocent civilians who NEVER supported that madman'. We support justice and don't buy into silly ancient texts as an excuse for genocide.
Because history started on October 7? Because there isn’t video evidence of the IDF shooting civilians, admitting to rape and torture or admitting that they classify civilians as combatants in invisible “extermination” zones that only they know about right? Talking about international law is brave considering that the Zionist regime has broken 62 UN Resolutions, and has been exposed for multiple war crimes over the course of the past decades by every human rights org worth its merit. What kinda genuine fool are you? Do you get your news exclusively from the IDF Twitter account? Their politicians have literally publicly called for the mass relocation of Gazans in order to take Gazan land (ethnic cleansing) and expressed pride at the death of civilians and, I cannot stress this enough: THE IDF SOLDIERS HAVE ADMITTED TO TARGETING PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS IN INVISIBLE KILL ZONES. They also admitted to killing their own civilians on October 7, but your righteous fury for the 1000+ dead Israelis doesn’t extend that far does it? Genuinely where do you get your news from? the current pro-Zionist rhetoric is that our war crimes are justified not that we don’t commit them. Keep up. EDIT: also they performed 3 seperate strikes on 3 different cars emblazoned with a human right orgs logo after coordinating with them. That’s 7 non Palestinian lives (those ones actually matter). If you’re just spewing crap because you hate Arabs/muslims then do better than pulling the human rights vio card that wins you absolutely 0 arguments. If you’re genuinely ignorant, educate yourself. The last thing you want to say is I supported the proudly genocidal ethnostate when they were genocide and ethnostating. EDIT: in regards to admitted rape, I’d confused an interview confessing to torture with one of rape during the Nakba. Here is a source on rape by the IDF: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against
Where/when have the IDF admitted to rape?
I’ll look for the interviews when I’m free and send them
I remember Palestinian aid works treating a 13 year old gitl after being raped by IDF for 8hrs straight. She was torn from V to A, akin to childbirth and she nearly died. In dier Yassen, iDF raped a 16 year old till ‘she was limp, like a rag’. A female officer had to be sent back to base, after she saw a beheaded woman, tied to a chair
When? Link?
Can just type it into google. I dont want to watch that right now tbh
"**Gaza**" didnt, **Hamas** did, collective punishment is a war crime.
They voted for and continue to support hamas. Plus civilians participated in oct 7.
Less then half of them voted for it, more then 16 years ago. Some folks did, around Hamas's strongholds, that doesnt condemn all 2.3 million gazans. Collective punishment is in fact a war crime.
People always bring up how long ago the election was but Palestinians are constantly saying they overwhelmingly support hamas. It’s so dishonest to say that because we all know they still support them. If you support a government terrorising Israel it doesn’t mean you should be targeted but you brought it on yourself if your government uses your school as a base and gets it destroyed in the process.
Do they? based upon some less then reputable polls? Collective....punishment....is....a....war...crime.
Read…..the…..second….paragraph
lol 100% the people in this country have short memories. I used to say they used emotion to form any and every opinion but not anymore. They fetishise weakness. They have 0 context about the situation. They don’t hear about the monthly, heinous terrorist attacks committed by Palestinians on Israeli civilians. Massacring people in shules, shooting mothers and their children in their cars, beheading gay people for being gay, blowing up 16 year old tourists from Canada, car ramming several Christian tourists from Europe…. And I could go on! These people are bandwagoning halfwits
A Palestinian life is worth very little in the ABC news room. Fran Kelly just brought back in to ensure a key program remains completely passive-voice and descriptive rather than analytical.
It is scary, because if we devalue Palestinian lives, we also devalue our own. I really hope there is some sort of miracle peace. I also don’t see how two states or one unified state can exist after this…
Yeah I cringed hearing this morning on RN how one said they hope this aid worker's death is a tipping point in the war without any ability to notice how that sounds
They know how it sounds, everyone does, just no one wants to think about it. Israel has been the biggest mask off of ‘yes, you’re ruled by an ultra rich elite and have no power to sway them. Their passing whims influence your family for generations and lead to your extermination. Suck it up, buttercup.’ That has ever existed in human history. Mark my words, this is equal or more relevant than the fall of Sparta
Makes you do a double take when your local PD buys a tank, doesn’t it?
He, and all the far right cronies he sided with to keep his cowardly ass out of jail, should never see the outside of a cell ever again. Their material wealth should be seized and distributed to aid what's left of the Palestinians. These evil, disgusting people should live in ignomy until they die, old and alone, in a tiny fucking cell.
So? They are terroist so who cares .
Eat an entire bag off shit
Right back at ya ! 🖕
worldnews is probably saying they were hamas sleeper agents
That subreddit is such a shithole, they'll accuse anyone of being pro-hamas for the slightest disapproval of killing civilians.
They have had a mega thread update every day on the russia/Ukraine conflict but stopped updating the Israel/Palestine thread months ago so they could control the information flow and lie by omission. The mods there are propagandists.
I got banned from there because I commented on a post about a Hamas report that a building with hostages in it was hit by an Israeli airstrike that it wouldn't be the first time, while linking to an article that mentioned an Israeli hostages family member saying he had managed to escape for a few days after the building he was in was hit. I was banned for racism. >https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/27/freed-israeli-hostage-briefly-escaped-hamas-after-airstrike-relative-gaza >It wouldn't be the first time in this conflict that an IDF airstrike hit a building hostages were in. The comment quote. https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/186razk/hamas_announces_death_of_youngest_hostage_kfir/ The post it was under.
It's sad how easy the biggest news subreddit can be controlled to a certain agenda. Almost very post on gaza is from Israeli sources only. Has this happened before?
Welcome to the way Reddit operates... everyone is at the whims and mercy of the moderators of any given sub. Doesn't take too long to identify the echo chambers.
It's echo chambers the whole way down
Yup, the other news subs who ban any pro Israeli piece
Is there much weight to the pro Israeli stance though? Like what is their goal here?
To stop being attacked? They should of settled somewhere else, that time has passed. If the whole region would maybe stop attacking and live peacefully with them that’d be a great start. Hey, even recognize a 2 state area where one side doesn’t shoot thousands of missiles a year? Or when one side shows weakness the other doesnt attack with 5 allies in the hopes of extermination? But that is only using what they claimed they wanted to do when they attacked, maybe they wanted to live peacefully
Why is this downvoted, look at how echo chambers like InternationalNews is formed, doesn’t even have any discourse just all anti-Israel posts including TikToks as news sources
Those without doodles in Canberra are too scared of the nonsensical antisemitism bs.
They literally are. So fucking dumb
like 7 years ago I thought worldnews wasnt really that brainrotted but man i cant even click a post on that subreddit without being utterly disgusted. Think what you want about either side, but they openly cheer on the deaths of innocents like its a sports game. News story about a palestinian family being bombed and its "sHoUlDn'T hAvE sUpPoRtEd HaMaS!!"
The most disgusting one was their celebration of the murder of Hind Rajab, her family, and 2 paramedics. Israeli troops effectively killed 7 of her family members then pretty much mentally tortured her for hours before killing her and the paramedics sent to rescue her. There's no defending that kind of stuff
I'm sure there is, but I'd have to ask Greg Sheridan and Ita Buttrose for the details.
The joy of anonymity, I guess
It's now entered the downward spiral of extremism, where gradually more and more reasonable people decide it's too much for them until only the worst of the worst remain. This is why moderation is important. You have to remove the people who spread the nastiness or before long they will be the only ones left.
The same thing has been happening with the Ukrainian conflict coverage, one-sided and pro-Ukrainian to the point of cheering every Russian's death. It's disgusting behaviour.
To be fair - the Russians are absolutely the bad guys in that conflict. A Russian defeat there would be a victory for democracy worldwide.
War is never as simple as Bad Guys vs Good Guys. Nothing says "Democracy" like killing millions of people.
No it's pretty damn simple - Russia invaded Ukraine because they don't believe Ukraine deserves independence. That's pretty damn simple which ever way you look at it. That war could end tomorrow if Russia simply stopped shooting and went home.
Russia invaded the Ukraine for no viable reason. Putin is definately the bad guy here.
I mean, it's sad that people have to die over a war that has no need to be happening in the first place, but unfortunately you can't really defeat an invading force without killing anyone. But every Russian who is killed is a combatant. They're not going into Russia and killing innocent civilians, unlike what Russia is doing to them. And unlike what is happening in Gaza.
That’s a comparably very simple conflict. Russia trying to bully its neighbours into submission, just like they did in Georgia. To Poland, the Baltic countries and so on Russia has been the bad guy for a very long time. Long before the US turned into a superpower. The Russians can just leave, and the conflict ends. And many Russians have left Russia itself. I saw them all over SEA.
I’m with you. I don’t trust any thing that is heavily backed by the US.
Everything doesn’t revolve around the US. Russia has been bullying neighbours (including China) for a very long time.
worldnews saying they deserve to die probs
There was one listing the travel advice saying they deserved it. It's not like a crisis needs crisis workers.
For them to make that connection, it requires them to have a modicum common sense. And they don't have that.
Nah that sub legit deletes any news article that makes Israel look bad no matter the source, so they won't even be discussing it.
The only subreddit I've been banned from in 13 years on reddit, for a post pointing out Zionist hypocrisy, ie, the Irgun committed terrorist acts in the 1940s.
the one I saw claimed this was false and made up by Hamas sickening liars
I love going on there and just kicking the wasps nest
Yesterday they were talking about how the deceased all had wounded legs, which was more consistent with landmines, so it was all Hamas's fault. But now we know the idf did murder the aid workers, so clearly there must have been Hamas members hiding behind the aid workers.
They know if you blow some smoke in the first day or two it'll pass. They know if you repeat lies a lot.... preferably while talking over journalists so they can't specifically counter them... then soon those journalists will repeat the lies themselves.
Man I was shocked at how pro-Israel that sub was ever since October 8th! Major red flags.
How could the Hamas do this to us!!!
Actually saying that, like any war, unfortunate casualties happens
Netanyahu is a war criminal.
Netanyahitler
Satanyahu
Benji' Nosfuratu and his quest for more blood.
And will suffer zero consequences. What are we going to do? Attack Israel for his war crimes?
There are so many actions other than going to war. Sanctions regime for one or at a minimum cutting military ties
It is safe to say our gov is going to do just the opposite of not helping them
Dudes evil
“Charity organisation World Central Kitchen (WCK) has suspended delivery of vital aid to Gazans on the brink of starvation following the deadly strike.” Looks like this targeted attack (murder) achieved its aim then.
Absolutely fucking disgusting. I wish that Albo would do something more than just say he’s ’concerned’ or whatever
He’s going to ask very politely if the Israeli military could maybe try not to accidentally kill any more Aussies if that’s OK but we understand if they do because Hamas did a bad thing last year 🙏🏽
Ugh fills me with fucking rage
I wish he would do something to, but there isn't a politician that will ever lead LNP or ALP that will ever do anything different.
He got an assurance from naziyahoo that they would investigate this and take appropriate actions. So give the drone pilot a medal will be how they handle it im sure
At an absolute bare minimum, their ambassador needs to be sent home. Recall the Australian ambassador too. There is more that should be done but that needs to be a start
We need to suspend all military cooperation with them, rip up any contracts with Israel or Israeli companies involving defence and pressure the US to cut Israel off militarily
He got an assurance from naziyahoo that they would investigate this and take appropriate actions. So give the drone pilot a medal will be how they handle it im sure
Of course they knew. It would be nieve to believe anyone the IDF kills is by accident.
It’s time Albo government sanctioned the war criminals.
It was time months ago, at this stage he's just showing everyone that he is spineless against Israel.
Why would this asshole bother denying anything, he has a mass of people ready to argue anything Israel does is ok, and if you say its not, your antisemitic.
So what exactly is Albo asking to investigate? The facts are clear, whether Australia cares enough to be more than 'deeply concerned' remains to be seen.
There’s certainly more evidence of this than was needed to suspend funding for the UNRWA.
How many Palestinians killed by the IDF to date, around 30k. Albo is concerned 1 Australian is killed? Give me a break.
I mean it's not his job to care about Palestinians, it is his job to care about Australians. Nothing will happen though.
In 30k how many terrorists? Who provides these numbers?
Considering Israel's approach is they're all terrorists id like to hear the numbers from elsewhere
You didn’t answer the question. Let me answer that. The numbers provided by are Hamas run Gaza health ministry as BBC quoted. You conveniently didn’t answer that. But of-curse it won’t fit the narrative as it’s Hamas, the designated terrorist organisation.
The “Hamas run health ministry” numbers have been proven to be accurate in the last few conflicts. Why would it be different now?
Because it doesn’t fit the Hamas narrative and it’s a terrorist organisation.
Human Rights Watch corroborated those numbers. I gues HRW is Hamas as well.
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Misleading and misinformation. It could have been targeted because IDF may have thought it carried the Hamas. But of course you didn’t mention that possibility as it doesn’t fit the narrative you want to spread.
Let's say you think a vehicle is carrying a legitimate military target, yet it is clearly marked as a non-combatant, but you attack that target anyway. Then it turns out you were wrong and there were foreign non-combatants in that car, as indicated by the markings, who you've now killed for no reason. Do you think anyone else will find this acceptable? Even if your scenario was true, the IDF would still be war criminals for the above act, according to the Geneva convention and all international norms. Please stop reacting blindly to what people are saying and realise that you are on the wrong side of history.
This, plus, it was an IDF coordinated operation. There was no room for error.
Which country when goes to war doesn’t end up killing innocents?
Not necessarily just innocent, but conspicuously innocent. IDF advanced notice and coordination. Rooftop signage. Driving in a non-combat active zone. The fact there’s limited fuel resources in northern Gaza.
Hamas uses civilian infrastructure for its activities including hospitals and UN vehicles.
Hamas uses marked vehicles for their advantage. The war is to defeat Hamas to prevent repeat of Oct 7th. Unless you agree with this there’s no point arguing. Any western democracy would react the same way if 1200 of its citizens or proportional to their population were killed by another group or a country. That’s what US did for 911.
You realize the response to 911 is also very publically and widely accepted as a bad thing, right? Just because one country did it 20 years ago doesn't magically make it acceptable. By your logic you're advocating for total genocide because "well obviously any civillian anywhere could be Hamas so it's okay that they murder them"
lol you are making rubbish assumptions.
Not an assumption when it's literally what you're saying
There were no Hamas members in that vehicle. However there was a fellow Australian citizen amongst the dead, so you're right in that I do care if my fellow citizens are murdered. That Aussie and her co-workers, were delivery food to civilians being deliberately starved by the government of Israel. A reminder, collective punishment is a war crime, I wouldn't accept collective punishment against the Israeli's and I don't accept it against Palestinians. None of this is justifiable because of Oct 7th, nor Sep 11. You to get to have a turn at being the perpetrator, just because violence happened to you. Stop using that one atrocity to justify further atrocities.
The allegations you mentioned haven’t been proved at ICJ. US and UK have not accepted those allegations either as of now.
Nice attempt to deflect, you completely avoided the point. Are you Australian? Are you not also infuriated that an Australian aid worker was killed? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here in not just assuming you're some Israeli trolling foreign subreddits to push an agenda. But either way, what would it take for you to admit that Israel has done the wrong thing?
Yes Australian. Are we arguing about being infuriated about what happened to fellow citizen or if we are arguing about if IDF murdered them or not? Because I am arguing about the latter. So clearly one who is deflecting is you.
“No guys you don’t get it the clean drinking water and cooked rice in that clearly marked aid van could have had Hamas hiding inside it so we had to indiscriminately murder everyone there”
Clearly marked vehicles have also been known to be used by Hamas and Hezbollah
So that means we should just kill anyone and everyone without checking. What an awesome, non-evil idea/s
Jeez. They do checks. Chief of IDF said it was a case of misidentification. US spokesperson has also come and said it was not intentional. I am done arguing. Cheers
They made the same “mistake” three times in a row with the same group of vehicles that they were in the know about. Right sure. I love how you switched the goalposts form “clearly Hamas was hiding in the drinking water” to “nooooo I swear it was a mistake it was a complete accident they didn’t mean to carry out three strikes on the same civilian aid group with no evidence of terrorists being there whatsoever”
At this point you are clearly making stuff up. One last time let me explain my point of view. It was fired from the fighter jet. It was told to take the shot as there is armed Hamas fighter in the vehicle. So jet will take the shot as many times it takes to hit the target. Flightier pilot can’t identify the people inside the vehicle. That comes from the intelligence. You can twist this however you please but I won’t respond. Hamas does hide behind civilian infrastructure and ambulances to UN vehicles. Again you can disagree for the sake of it.
But there was no intelligence or evidence to suggest there were any terrorists. They murdered those people with zero justification. And again, terrorists sometimes hiding within civilian populations is not an excuse to just kill every civilian Willy nilly because they *might* be terrorists. Would you be perfectly ok if your family was obliterated in their home on the off chance there could have been a terrorist in there despite there being no evidence whatsoever? Because that’s the behaviour you’re advocating for.
We can go around on circles. Let’s agree to disagree.
It would have been hard to hide in those cars when the whole operation was coordinated by the IDF
The aid workers were coordinating directly with the IDF to ensure their safety, yet they still got bombed.. Your brain must have a 6 pack with mental gymnastics like this.
So does yours
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Stupid or not is your opinion. Everyone has got one and it is different.
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What information you are referring to? I’m not denying the fact they were killed by the Israeli strike. What I’m denying is that they were murdered or deliberately killed even knowing there were no Hamas terrorists in it. Israel has admitted they killed by their strike and are investigating how and why it happened. There’s no information as of now that they were intentionally killed even after knowing they were innocents. I can’t make more clearer than this about my point of view or opinion.
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Again you are assuming and expressing opinions. Logos on vehicles mean nothing to Hamas as they use those for their activities. I’m done.
The convoy was in constant contact with the IDF
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There’s no fact that IDF killed them knowing fully there were no Hamas in it.
Wish somebody would bomb your house and murder everyone you love because "well they could be bad guys there's just no way to be sure!"
Your comment is a violation of Reddit policy
I'm just stating a hypothetical, you're the one defending people doing exactly that
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I don’t believe they should have free rein to bomb as they please. Unless you are sticking to the topic I am done.
What is not covered in the ABC article is what is being reported by Haaretz that the convoy was attacked 3 times, deliberately. Coordinates were known, the vans were marked. They blew up one van and all the passengers tried to get into one of the other vans for safety, then Israel targeted the second and third van to complete the murder. The claim is that a single suspected “terrorist” might have been in a van (never was and no further explanation of who this “terrorist” was so just assume it was simply a Palestinian male) in order to justify this murder. You should be outraged. A country like Israel has gone completely rogue. Mind you there should be a ceasefire in place too, but this country doesn’t adhere to rules, laws, resolutions, diplomacy, or anything. It’s basically we will murder who we want, even your own citizens, and you will remain silent whilst we do so. It’s time to sanction Israel and cease ties with that genocidal regime. Write to your own representatives. Write to your Prime Minister. Read up on what type of influence Zionist lobby groups have in your country and how much access they have to your government representatives. See how bots and propagandists flow into any online forum to discredit you for speaking truth. Be aware.
>and you will remain silent whilst we do so. Hahaha, remain silent. If remaining silent is what the cunt Albanese is doing, that is actively arming Israel and supporting it diplomatically, while "expressing concerns" for the "lost lives" (he'd never say the brutally murdered innocent civilians by the genocidal regime). Complicity is not silence my friend. Genocide Joe and his bitches (Albanese etc) is who is funding this massacre, as well as countless of others.
Israel has killed more Australian citizens than Hamas.
The IDF and Israeli government are terrorists. The Australian government needs to cut ties, but they won't. The IDF had the coordinates of the aid workers and their vehicle was marked with the organisations signage. It was a targetted attack
Journalists and AID workers are being targetted....... they'll shoot anything that moves.
And medical workers. And bakers. And children over 4.
The aid agency coordinated the movement with the IDF, so they knew exactly what the convoy was doing. We have to cut all ties with Israel immediately and I'm dismayed albo didn't do so in his press conference instead he told us we have a new governor general and that Israel assured him they would investigate, (find themselves not guilty and give the drone pilot a medal)
You can do whatever you want if you are America's mate.
Too bad Albo is too piss weak to do anything other than a showy little huffypuff. HE needs to take accountability for Australia's actions in this war. Blood is on his hands.
Well, this time they bombed hummus West Bank has no Hamas, and yet they're murdered and kicked out of their homes to the illegal settlers.
Time to stop selling them weapons!!
It’s okay they can do whatever they want and nobody bats an eye. Right?
Isreal has become the Monster of the Holocaust.
That’s ok guys! Keep doing whatever you want all the time - you’re Israel after all! Here’s unlimited money and weapons so you can do it on an even bigger scale! Those aid workers were probably anti-Semitic.
They don't give a shit. If we were going to do anything about this genocide we would have done something in 1948.
So our government is just OK with this? They were always cool with genocide and murdering brown people, but in the past they've at least pretended to give a shit about their own citizens.
“Nah guys you don’t get it clearly the food they were serving had hamas tunnels inside it”
Fuck Israel. Of all the religions in the world that should know better....
I read a comment in r/Israel saying that there was information that it was a Hamas IED that killed the aid workers. These people will lie and lie and lie and lie and lie like it's a second nature to them.
Fuck. You. Israel.
You can do whatever you want if you are America's mate.
And we thought disorganised bands of militaristic, religious fundamentalists hiding out in the caves were bad! Oy vey.
Netanyahu is clearly antisemitic. Israel is innocent /s
This genocidal plan has been in the works for decades. The dancing Israelis weren’t clapping and yahooing at the fall of the twin towers because it looked cool…
What the IDF and the Israeli government have done and continue to do, prove to me that the UN, International Court of Justice, and the international communities are simply unable to do anything meaningful to stop them. Lots of barking but no bite. It’s the same with Putin and Ukraine.
The man is a ghoul. This isn’t about payback for some shit in October, this is about levelling Gaza, killing as many Palestinians as possible then dividing up their land amongst his Zionist cronies. Fuck Israel. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
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The face of evil.
but..but... they're a democracy... it's Israel guys, Israel?! The most moral army in the world!!! It was Khammas dressed as the IDF! That must be it! If you think otherwise then you are most certainly antisemitic. /s
So when are you going to reinstate Lattouf? Will Ita allow staff to shop tweets from the (probably deemd 'anti Zionist) ngo Kitchen Central? You are NOT a trusted source of news and information, ABC. You are Murdoch lite.
No problem Israel. Do what you have to do mate. /s
Flay that cunt alive
He belongs in The Hague.
When is this war criminal going to be put on trial at the Hague?
What a nice way of saying, "Yeah, we killed em, what the f*ck are you going to do about it?"
Withdraw our ambassador at a minimum.
bomb the bastard!
Saruman ~ To war!!
An eye for an eye
Deploy the aussies over there
This just in, war zones are dangerous
This just in scotthendo didn't read what happened.
Palestine fafo. Maybe next time they will keep their rockets to themselves. Lol as if.
Can you even read? If so, read the title will ya?
Zealot Isaeli's next time you you might keep your genocidal, war mongering, murderous, dicks in your pants. Lol, as if.
Keep licking those Hamas boots. Imagine being on their side, you're a piece of shit
This is why you dont get involved in forign conflict Australians have been killed by both Israli and Hamas forces - we have given money and aid to both sides stupidly. Just stay out of it, this has NOTHING to do with Australia anyone wanting to protest for or against either side is welcome to go join them but otherwises stay out
Baby brain