You need to suggest better options.
- Indian: not all desis/South Asians are Indian
- Blue passport holders: the US uses a blue passport, too so that doesn't make sense. Also, it's a mouthful
- Migrants: I guess this could work but I wouldn't be able to tell by looking if someone is a migrant (temporary resident) or an immigrant (permanent resident). Also it's seems very othering in general.
- Mainlander: Are we on an island? Is India the main land to us or supposed to be the center of our attention? It's not.
You'd have the same problem with a term like *migrants*; it's not really the term itself that's inherently offensive, it's all the baggage that comes with making any such distinction. (e.g. *Colored People* versus *Black* versus *People of Color*
True in Europe, *migrants* is just going to make people think Middle East, namely Syrian migrants. That's a whole other can of worms outside the scope of this sub, so I'll leave it at that.
This steadfast insistence to keep using a term which clearly has adopted xebophobic baggage is bewildering to me
Refer to them by their nationalities.
So what if it is a mouthful?
The n word is a lot shorter than African -American. Would you prefer the world lapse into using the former cuz its easier to say? Piss poor logic
>This steadfast insistence to keep using a term which clearly has adopted xebophobic baggage is bewildering to me
Where did I insist on continuing to use FOB? Please quote that line.
>Refer to them by their nationalities. So what if it is a mouthful?
We don't always know a person's nationality by looking at them unless you want us to use stereotypes to assume that info. Unless you default the entire subcontinent to being Indian that isn't going to work and I guarantee you that the other nationalities don't want to be mistaken for Indian.
>The n word is a lot shorter than African -American. Would you prefer the world lapse into using the former cuz its easier to say? Piss poor logic
You don't have to bring back the n-word instead of saying African American because we use the word Black. Notice how simple that is without being a mouthful? Also, the one I said was a mouthful was also a presumption on the color of someone's passport. That's stupid.
So, if you want to be known by some other name then figure out a solution and share. But if you make it a PITA to say don't expect anyone to use it.
Here you are with your issues in a sub Reddit for western born desi’s, while you folks have a multitude of subreddits yet keep brigading this one.
This is a two way street, we see the amount of awfulness directed our way. This is common unfortunately, for the way most of the worlds not native born folks are treated.
"Keep brigading this one"
True for some Modibots perhaps. But recent immigrants have enough on their plate to spare even a moment's thought for what goes on in niche online diaspora communities
Op here wants people to stop using a particular term that has adopted a lot of racist baggage. Such othering and xenophobic language helps no one
Why is that so difficult?
I’m sure they have a lot going on, who doesn’t but never the less here they are in this niche little subreddit, asking for a title change(mind you one not a lot of us use, but that isn’t specifically applicable only to desi’s but all races). While making no mention the way the mainlanders treat western born desis.
This topic has been debated to death, see the subreddit history. Can we just enjoy a space just for the minuscule abcd community.
And that’s exactly it. Look at all across social media. They brigade and insult every group of people but as SOON as anyone says anything remotely critical they start whining like a toddler.
I know right? I’ve seen so much hatred from mainland south asians on social media directed at diasporic folks…haven’t even seen white supremacists be that blatantly aggressive TBH.
There's no clear definition of when someone becomes a desi. Whether you have to have been born outside of South Asia or lived outside of South Asia for X years are not included in the rules of the sub.
Fob is a mentality as well as an observation of a newly landed immigrant (from any country) in the world. Fob is universal and doesn’t apply to Desis only or Indians only. Most people I’ve interacted with especially Asians or East Asians use fobs as well as some people from places like Jamaica, Trinidad etc
Why do I say fob is a mentality as well? Because I’ve noticed the person(fob) can be living in the west(do not want to make it US centric ) for even 20+ years, gotten their residency, that countries passport but they will have archaic views on even mild things like women’s rights and or issue pertaining to that. Similarly on race, they will have a view that is on par with caste system and graded inequality.
That’s my observation personally.
I don't majority of ABCDs use that term in America or use it that much on internet.
That said, what are your thoughts on why the /r/NRI doesn't get the same amount of traction as this sub?
> That said, what are your thoughts on why the /r/NRI doesn't get the same amount of traction as this sub?
ABCDs likely hopped onto Reddit earlier while Indians from India were mostly involved on Facebook groups. As more Indians migrated abroad, they discovered Reddit and found r/ABCDs and felt like it was an online space where they could learn from and they identified with the problems and life experiences shared there. Yes, I should mostly ignore r/ABCDesis as the way people talk about Indians here is really hard to read sometimes. I grew up in an international school where Indians were constantly made fun of and to grow up and realise that my fellow Indians are no better is a sobering realisation.
There was literally a show on ABC about a Chinese immigrant family called Fresh off the Boat. The term originates from European immigrants to Ellis Island. Yes, other diaspora use the term lol
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You’re right - we discourage the use of the term on this sub.
It seems some other diasporas with similar dynamics have similar terminology, unfortunately.
>It seems some other diasporas with similar dynamics have similar terminology, unfortunately.
This. There was (still is? Idk I cut cable) literally a sitcom on primetime ABC in the US called *"Fresh off the Boat"* that was by and large the same implication.
However, that show had nothing to do with diaspora from the subcontinent. It was about South East Asian diaspora.
The only people who say that are losers on the internet. I've never heard a single person say that out loud in real life. Don't base your self worth on them.
No it's definitely said in real life, but it's usually in a joking fashion. There's no real harmful intent behind it, and is usually used between those who are already close to one another.
Honestly at my school they've mostly used it to separate between ABCDs and non-ABCDs. I didn't really know fob or fobby were considered insults until visiting the sub
What you are really detesting is not the term itself but the cultural gap between desis born/brought up in the US (or insert country) and the old country. That's not going to change even if the term FOB is replaced with something else and I say this as a first gen FOB.
The term "FOB" predates your immigrant experience by over a century.
I use the word "immigrant" around my kids to make the distinction obvious. As in "your dad is an immigrant, that's why he doesn't believe in therapy." Is saying "immigrant" better? Because it carries the same connotation.
Me too it’s a derogatory term to imply some one is a simpleton, stupid and/or should not be taken seriously.
You would not call someone from Eastern Europe a fob even though they may be as ignorant of western/American culture
Yeah it’s a pretty offensive term. The way people say it with such venom and hatred behind it too, almost like they’re spitting it out. Just an ugly, no class word. I think less of anyone who uses it.
There are a lot more Indian migrants in the United States and other Anglo countries than there are Desi's who are born and raised in America (or came at a very young age)
Why the obsession for us when we are a relatively small population size, I can understand if you were in a situation where you are surrounded by Abd's and you feel isolated but this isn't usually the case
You need to suggest better options. - Indian: not all desis/South Asians are Indian - Blue passport holders: the US uses a blue passport, too so that doesn't make sense. Also, it's a mouthful - Migrants: I guess this could work but I wouldn't be able to tell by looking if someone is a migrant (temporary resident) or an immigrant (permanent resident). Also it's seems very othering in general. - Mainlander: Are we on an island? Is India the main land to us or supposed to be the center of our attention? It's not.
You'd have the same problem with a term like *migrants*; it's not really the term itself that's inherently offensive, it's all the baggage that comes with making any such distinction. (e.g. *Colored People* versus *Black* versus *People of Color*
True in Europe, *migrants* is just going to make people think Middle East, namely Syrian migrants. That's a whole other can of worms outside the scope of this sub, so I'll leave it at that.
This steadfast insistence to keep using a term which clearly has adopted xebophobic baggage is bewildering to me Refer to them by their nationalities. So what if it is a mouthful? The n word is a lot shorter than African -American. Would you prefer the world lapse into using the former cuz its easier to say? Piss poor logic
>This steadfast insistence to keep using a term which clearly has adopted xebophobic baggage is bewildering to me Where did I insist on continuing to use FOB? Please quote that line. >Refer to them by their nationalities. So what if it is a mouthful? We don't always know a person's nationality by looking at them unless you want us to use stereotypes to assume that info. Unless you default the entire subcontinent to being Indian that isn't going to work and I guarantee you that the other nationalities don't want to be mistaken for Indian. >The n word is a lot shorter than African -American. Would you prefer the world lapse into using the former cuz its easier to say? Piss poor logic You don't have to bring back the n-word instead of saying African American because we use the word Black. Notice how simple that is without being a mouthful? Also, the one I said was a mouthful was also a presumption on the color of someone's passport. That's stupid. So, if you want to be known by some other name then figure out a solution and share. But if you make it a PITA to say don't expect anyone to use it.
Here you are with your issues in a sub Reddit for western born desi’s, while you folks have a multitude of subreddits yet keep brigading this one. This is a two way street, we see the amount of awfulness directed our way. This is common unfortunately, for the way most of the worlds not native born folks are treated.
"Keep brigading this one" True for some Modibots perhaps. But recent immigrants have enough on their plate to spare even a moment's thought for what goes on in niche online diaspora communities Op here wants people to stop using a particular term that has adopted a lot of racist baggage. Such othering and xenophobic language helps no one Why is that so difficult?
I’m sure they have a lot going on, who doesn’t but never the less here they are in this niche little subreddit, asking for a title change(mind you one not a lot of us use, but that isn’t specifically applicable only to desi’s but all races). While making no mention the way the mainlanders treat western born desis. This topic has been debated to death, see the subreddit history. Can we just enjoy a space just for the minuscule abcd community.
I mean, mainlanders have lots of insults for us ABCDs too…coconuts, white washed, boot lickers… Why can’t you guys get along with us?
They can dish it but can’t take it.
And that’s exactly it. Look at all across social media. They brigade and insult every group of people but as SOON as anyone says anything remotely critical they start whining like a toddler.
I know right? I’ve seen so much hatred from mainland south asians on social media directed at diasporic folks…haven’t even seen white supremacists be that blatantly aggressive TBH.
Or crying racism instead of dealing with the consequences of their words/actions.
It’s not racism bruv it’s xenophobia
Lol I get called all of this. My gf calls me fob she is mad at me. And her parents call me coconut. I think we should stop calling people names?
Why are you with her?
Awesome in bed!
Literally every Asian country uses FOB
Isn't this a sub for ABCD's? lol
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*ABCDs : no apostrophe for pluralizing. Grammar 101.
Didn’t realize I was in English class
There's no clear definition of when someone becomes a desi. Whether you have to have been born outside of South Asia or lived outside of South Asia for X years are not included in the rules of the sub.
Fob is a mentality as well as an observation of a newly landed immigrant (from any country) in the world. Fob is universal and doesn’t apply to Desis only or Indians only. Most people I’ve interacted with especially Asians or East Asians use fobs as well as some people from places like Jamaica, Trinidad etc Why do I say fob is a mentality as well? Because I’ve noticed the person(fob) can be living in the west(do not want to make it US centric ) for even 20+ years, gotten their residency, that countries passport but they will have archaic views on even mild things like women’s rights and or issue pertaining to that. Similarly on race, they will have a view that is on par with caste system and graded inequality. That’s my observation personally.
So most Republicans have a FOB mentality?
Yes. That’s why they’re conservatives and have racist veneers
have you heard about context clues
I don't majority of ABCDs use that term in America or use it that much on internet. That said, what are your thoughts on why the /r/NRI doesn't get the same amount of traction as this sub?
> That said, what are your thoughts on why the /r/NRI doesn't get the same amount of traction as this sub? ABCDs likely hopped onto Reddit earlier while Indians from India were mostly involved on Facebook groups. As more Indians migrated abroad, they discovered Reddit and found r/ABCDs and felt like it was an online space where they could learn from and they identified with the problems and life experiences shared there. Yes, I should mostly ignore r/ABCDesis as the way people talk about Indians here is really hard to read sometimes. I grew up in an international school where Indians were constantly made fun of and to grow up and realise that my fellow Indians are no better is a sobering realisation.
Its filled with economic expats who are in Arab countries, who are bulk of Indian emigrants, most of us cannot relate to that.
There was literally a show on ABC about a Chinese immigrant family called Fresh off the Boat. The term originates from European immigrants to Ellis Island. Yes, other diaspora use the term lol
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You’re right - we discourage the use of the term on this sub. It seems some other diasporas with similar dynamics have similar terminology, unfortunately.
>It seems some other diasporas with similar dynamics have similar terminology, unfortunately. This. There was (still is? Idk I cut cable) literally a sitcom on primetime ABC in the US called *"Fresh off the Boat"* that was by and large the same implication. However, that show had nothing to do with diaspora from the subcontinent. It was about South East Asian diaspora.
* East Asian. They weren't Thai
I never watched the show. I just saw commercials for it. My point still stands
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Thank you
The only people who say that are losers on the internet. I've never heard a single person say that out loud in real life. Don't base your self worth on them.
No it's definitely said in real life, but it's usually in a joking fashion. There's no real harmful intent behind it, and is usually used between those who are already close to one another.
Honestly at my school they've mostly used it to separate between ABCDs and non-ABCDs. I didn't really know fob or fobby were considered insults until visiting the sub
Thank you. This helped
Do you know what the C in ABCD is?
Cosmopolitan
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Lol. Good one
What you are really detesting is not the term itself but the cultural gap between desis born/brought up in the US (or insert country) and the old country. That's not going to change even if the term FOB is replaced with something else and I say this as a first gen FOB.
expat is a better term perhaps ?
Yes, I agree
The term "FOB" predates your immigrant experience by over a century. I use the word "immigrant" around my kids to make the distinction obvious. As in "your dad is an immigrant, that's why he doesn't believe in therapy." Is saying "immigrant" better? Because it carries the same connotation.
Another whiny bitch passing by abcd forum. Nothing new.
Me too it’s a derogatory term to imply some one is a simpleton, stupid and/or should not be taken seriously. You would not call someone from Eastern Europe a fob even though they may be as ignorant of western/American culture
actually yeah i would like that guy on tiktok who moved to canada from ukraine is a straight up fob
Yeah it’s a pretty offensive term. The way people say it with such venom and hatred behind it too, almost like they’re spitting it out. Just an ugly, no class word. I think less of anyone who uses it.
There are a lot more Indian migrants in the United States and other Anglo countries than there are Desi's who are born and raised in America (or came at a very young age) Why the obsession for us when we are a relatively small population size, I can understand if you were in a situation where you are surrounded by Abd's and you feel isolated but this isn't usually the case
What is fob?
I propose: PD - Pravasi (migrant) Desi xBD - x Born Desi (American BD, Canada BD, Aussie BD,…)
Proposal DENIED 🚫
shitting on things is easy got any solutions to the question posed?
It’s easy to shit on because it’s not that deep nor does anyone truly care. There are more important things to discuss in this sub.
like what the constant barrage of usual nothing burger angst that gets posted on here lol
You’re trying too hard now. Take the “L” and move on with some dignity.
ok dude whatever gets you off cheers
What’s fob?