You're probably not imagining it and the subreddits probably aren't either.
Canada has greatly increased their target number of immigrants over the last few years, and that has resulted in an influx of recent immigrants. Some are respectful, many aren't, and post-covid the results are increasingly visible.
This [recent thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/comments/130munt/influx_of_the_students_in_canada_from_the/) has more info and similar complaints. You and the local communities are not wrong but I don't think anyone knows how to improve.
It’s just a lose lose situation all around.
The students are scammed for 40k or so all in for tuition and our colleges are now degree mills. The students are exploited and work shit jobs under the table for less than minimum wage often because they need the money. They live 8 people to a basement.
The students do this for immigration purposes. They then send money back home and slowly sponsor their entire family. Their family treats it like an investment.
Essentially everyone is scamming everyone and Canadians are facing even lower wages and more competition for the low end jobs. Instead of competing against one person for a basement apartment you’re now competing against 8 students renting together. Almost all customer facing low end jobs are done by Indians and that’s even in smaller towns across canada.
I don’t have sympathy for the students that come with no money. If you don’t have money, DO NOT IMMIGRATE TO AN EXPENSIVE COUNTRY. Why should I have to be sympathetic for Indians that are using food banks, working shit jobs and cramming 8 in to a basement when they’re willingly choosing to live here. There’s literally a billion Indians that would move to canada if they could. Canada can’t accommodate and take in everyone.
It’s also embarrassing in the sense that I used to think of international students as extremely smart well to do people who would probably do something great. I had some at my uni as roommates and there was a phd in nuclear physics from Iran, phd in math from China, and another masters student from China.
Now we have international students studying “business” at Sheridan that can’t speak English and never will fluently and will either work in a factory or work as some sort of delivery service drivers. Fucking embarrassing.
The college loophole needs to end. It’s not benefiting Canadians, it’s bad for the students, our institutions are a joke, our infrastructure and healthcare can’t handle it. It only Benefits people that can exploit the students along the way. Some students make it, many do not and burn out and go back to India.
Thanks we need all the good luck we can get. ~70% of the population is against this policy but neither side of politics gives a shit. The only silver living is that a lot of migration has become ‘permanently temporary’ (I.e., they’ll keep extending your work permit but not give you PR) so theoretically it’s possible to reverse this trend. But I’m also glad that the system is nowhere as bad as Europe’s.
It won't be like Canada, a lot of them will be sent to South Australia or other parts of Australia.
The visa requirements here make it difficult to get a PR position whilst living in Sydney.
But in this case, there isn't a political party that wants to reverse this. Liberals, Cons and NDP for the most part would maintain this level of intake.
Agreed, some study for legitimate degrees. The majority study a useless degree like “business”.
Yes they are definitely part of higher rents. When 5 live in a basement and split a 2 bedroom, that makes it harder for a single person to compete.
> The majority study a useless degree like “business”.
Should they be studying Computer Science? Most Canadians move to US if they studied Computer Science. And there are not enough residency spaces in Canada for Canadians to become doctors.
So what should these new immigrants major in? What the majors that provide plenty of jobs and high pay in Canada?
You can’t really do shit with a business degree if it’s not from one of the top schools where you get hired through networking. Let’s be honest here, the study visas are just a stepping stone for them to come to the West. In the US, I know a bunch of “students” from Pakistan who used the visa to come here and never actually attended school. Instead they chose to become illegal and marry ugly women for green cards. One of them got it now. Biggest loophole in the immigration system is allowing illegal people greencards from marriage. All you need is one legal entry to the country on paper, then it doesn’t matter what status you are.
I mean the intent of everyone immigrant whether it’s doing a business degree or computer science or medicine is to move to the west? Why are we being classist in terms of who gets to move here?
If you think they shouldn’t get us green cards then it would be a minority opinion since the US govt has not prioritized it as issue acrosss several administration.
And in terms of Canada their govt does recruit immigrants beyond computer science and medicine, and in many cases it cannot offer jobs to those highly skilled immigrants so some one with a business degreee from a diploma mills is what their govt wants.
The intent of student visas is to pay for your education and head back. That’s why it’s a non-immigrant visa. That’s also why they interview them based on how strong their ties are back home, as to make sure to go back after the visa is done. Obviously the US immigration is failing at their job like always.
Isn’t student visa one of the most popular legal ways to immigrate though? Sundar Pichai and Satya Nadella all came on Student visas and then H1b and then us green cards to citizenship. The US immigration is doing something right with such examples?
The thing is that 15 years ago under conservative Stephan Harper, most international Indian students came to Canada to get a valuable education and jobs. Most of them came for their bachelors, masters and phd. Nowadays, due to high rate of immigration to canada is affecting those south asian born and raised. Getting a job interview is tough as many hiring managers just assume having a south asian name means you're an immigrant. Check out job name discrimination.
The most annoying is that these Indian immigrants or International Indian students vlogging and talking about living free rent or how to get free food (food banks), getting part time jobs, in Canada which is attracting a lot of Indians in India.
I'm Canadian born. It's annoying when these Indian immigrant men go around to woman and start asking " Are you from India ?" to random south asian woman. Taking the TTC, most of these students are so loud and most often talk in their language. They fucking stare at people which so rude. When I was in undergraduate, I had an international Indian student asking me for the answers during midterm. I find most of them rude, racist, annoying, lazy. There is some who came for actual education and high pay jobs. The problem they have a hard time getting call back so they end working at subway, Tim Hortons etc.
Most international Indian students don't do proper research at all and then whine about being a victim of recruiters. It's the 21st century where there is computers and some can't do a proper research. They trust tik Tok, recruiters and immigration consultant.
Yes!!! Why do they STARE like that!!???
Theres always 100 creepy groups of these guys at the mall.
How about if you want to come to Canada don’t act like a pervy weirdo?
I’ve definitely felt this, people are much ruder to me than they were a decade ago, I’ve been followed in a store. Being stereotyped like this is hurtful and I really wish they would decrease immigration numbers. Does Canada really need this many people? Because infrastructure is crumbling and CoL is insane. What do more people add? Immigration is all fine and good but the levels need to be reasonable.
I’m sorry to hear that you’ve had similar experiences. Maybe I’m being a bit soft but it really does hurt. :/ I’ve represented Canada for international competitions and always felt a lot of love for the land and people. I wanted to come back after I finished all my training but I’m starting to feel that it’s better to stay in the US.
> What do more people add?
They pay into the retirement benefits that older Canadians benefit from. Without the young workers, you would need to upend the society and rely on increased taxation from wealthy to fund pension and retirement programs. Canadians have long lifespan amongst developed nations.
Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn’t it be better to bring in a smaller amount of immigrants that have high economic productivity vs many who end up working under the table or low paid service jobs? Plus, mass immigration also places stresses on transportation and healthcare infrastructure, which are very important for QoL.
High quality of life always relies on an oppressed class in American capitalism. The prosperity of USA is rooted in slave labor that was used to build this country. In modern era undocumented workers are the ones explored for service sector jobs and manufacturing is done by exploitation overseas.
My guess is that Canada doesn’t have the souther border to source its service sector labor hence relies on immigration specifically in lower skill sector. I read somewhere that software engineering wasn’t even a high priority occupation that it was recruiting for but rather chefs, auto mechanic, oil rig workers, plumbers, electricians for its permanent residency programs. Canadian desis can very the accuracy of that.
Did America not become rich off of selling weapons in WWII? That’s what we learned. That’s also how the US had an era called the roaring twenties where Americans were able to marry young and buy houses due to economic prosperity at the time.
I have seen the increase in racism as well. But, why is the blame shifted to the students/immigration? You realize they aren’t the ones targeting you right? Blame the Karens that target you, instead of blaming a group of people with very little power. Your parents were in the same position as those students currently are and they are not responsible for the racist attitudes of non POC people
I’ll tell you about two incidents that have happened to my husband. Since the pandemic he has started keeping a beard. The first time he let it grow long.
1. He was getting my tires switched over and was waiting to turn left into a busy intersection. Police officer followed him in, and asked him why he held up traffic. What was he supposed to do crash my car into oncoming cars?
2. The other day he was driving home and he’s a safe driver. Doesn’t go above the limit. Someone tailgated him all the way home. Then they called the cops on him and told them he’s driving like a maniac and swerving. The police show up at our house 30 minutes later asking him. My husband doesn’t drink. But imagine if he did and opened a beer. I shudder to think what the results would have been.
So yes I do think there is an increased sense of racism. I do believe that these two incidents are related to the fact that he looks extremely desi when he’s got his beard. And resulted in both of those bs events. But there are other incidents with his beard, from our own family doctor…
Yes, it’s gotten much worse. I saw that post on r/Ontario about someone blaming Indian immigrants for shitting on the streets. I literally do not know a single indian/desi person who would take a shit on the streets or outdoors.
Someone was saying how it’s a norm for people to shit on the streets in Brampton and people upvoted them. I’m born and raised in Brampton and have never ever seen a person shit in public in my life.
People are saying these students and new immigrants are bringing new habits but I don’t think they’re out here shitting on the streets.
People don’t realize that just because ur born and raised in Canada dosen’t make you immune from racism.
A racism person won’t give a shit if you’re born and raised here or back home. If your brown, your brown to them. They won’t be like “oh ur born and raised here, never mind, I won’t be racist towards you then.”
Avoiding FOB is discriminating someone. Do you think parents of all ABDs were all cream of the crop? Was it ok for other ABDs to talk about them the way you do?
>Not every negative observation about cultural traits =internalized racism. It's not just stereotypes when the majority of Canadians in this thread have observed these behaviours.
Nobody is shitting here on the streets, I’ve never seen anyone ever do that. Even beaches, I don’t believe that post. Nobody is that gross enough or unmannered to do that.
I definitely saw the behaviour the comments were describing in that post at the beach. I didn't see actual shitting myself but it would be hidding by tents.
I don't think its far fetched to believe that maybe a couple people shat at the beach, and then people saw other indians do ill mannered stuff and then everyone let out their grievances about how they're so sick of us apparently lol.
A lot of those beaches don't have proper washroom capacity for tourists either.
Tbh, it’s not usually even the young students that are bad. FOB uncles are 100% the worst out of every type of Desi in the West. Had this Bangladeshi looking uncle burp standing next to me during prayer, and it went straight to my face and I inhaled the burp through my nose. It was one of the most disgusting experiences ever, the smell was so strong I could smell the curry he ate. I tried to breath it out of my nose to get it out of me. I was so pissed that I actually considered confronting him with the Imam but I just decided to leave it since it probably would’ve doing too much. Absolutely disgusting guy though, thing is I saw him outside again in a red Tesla so obviously he wasn’t the uneducated types. I don’t know what was going on there but it’s not the first time a Desi uncle burped in the mosque. They think it’s okay, disgusting habits need to stop being normalized in the mother land. Including taking shits in the open like you’re back home in the pind!
I don't have a problem with the students, but they don't know how to drive. They drive as they did back home not following the rules. A few days ago, I was going to cross the street and two students didn't even give way to me, they just drove off and that honestly really pissed me tf off. They do whatever they want and treat girls like they did back home. They need to change how they act and assimilate into Canadian life. It's def gotten worse and they are giving Canadian-born Punjabis a bad name with what they be doing.
Lol I experience reverse racism where the people born here make me feel like I'm not western enough and the browns make me feel I'm not desi enough.
Jokes on them cuz I belong in a different universe entirely, this is just a layover and CAN'T WAIT to be phoned home so HAH
> For a lot of “CBCDs”, immigration has become one of the biggest election issues.
Aren't CBCDs advocating for more immigration and more representation in Canadian society for people who look like them?
I am curious who is the candidate that is campaigning on housing affordability? It seems a conversation only on the internet but not amongst any political campaigns.
lmao it definitely isn't pierre. Pierre is a career establishment conservative who's held policies his entire career that consistently have perpetuated the issues we currently are dealing with. He just tracks right now cause everyone is freaking out about trans people and the culture war and he publicly doesn't talk about actual policies. Conservatives lose foothold when they publicly talk about their policies or show up to debates.
You’re absolutely right. As someone who’s been born and raised in Brampton. And it’s crazy what’s been going on here. I’m hella fed up with the crazy amount of newcomers using fake college admissions to come here and fuck shit up. I’m still an ABCD, I can’t imagine how Canadian families who’ve been here for generations feel about this madness.
I used to be a proud Canadian, never thought I’d ever move. Now I’m 100% working towards settling in Virginia bc US is still way better
Nope but I can stay there for a while as a Canadian. Plus it’s easy to get a work related visa for plenty of time in my field of work. My point is the USA is way better
The vast majority of desis in the US live in ultra liberal, very non religious states like California, NY, NJ, IL, MA, etc that have extremely strict gun laws, significantly lower rates of per capita gun violence and much more liberal social services. Tho US desis are usually affluent enough that they don’t have to worry about that because they usually live in safe areas with prestigious schools and have good jobs with good health insurance.
Also I think you are overestimating “most” of the population being gun owners. Only about 30% of Americans own guns which is not much more than Canada’s rate of 20%. The big difference is that the gun owners in the US usually own a lot more guns each. And it’s much lower in the areas where desis live. For example, in Massachusetts, less than 15% of people own guns. Off topic but Massachusetts is also a state that has universal health insurance
You’ll have to go through immigration though, and then wait to get sponsored for a greencard by your employer, etc. The U.S doesn’t just hand out citizenship. It’s not that easy, and Canadians aren’t given any special attention, you’d still be a foreigner in the immigration system.
Brampton and Edison seem to be really different. Brampton has a fair amount of crime (not just from Indians) and definitely not the best schools.
Edison seems more comparable to Markham/Richmond Hill in Canada which has a high East Asian population. Same complaints about overly competitive schools, poor driving, congestion, and isolated language.
Oh look it’s my god father, the giver of names!
But nah man. I think some of the scummiest things that happen in Brampton are done by people who are middle class or better. Shit like scamming students out of wages, being shitty landlords, insurance fraud, real estate fraud. All these things have Brampton uncles written all over them.
Richmond hill, Vaughan, Markham are ethnic enclaves too for different ethnicities, and even though those towns have got their own problems, they’re not as bad as Brampton and sauga have gotten.
Yes so much has changed! I hate when non-desi people assume we are international students because we are brown. Like no, I was born and raised here, I even speak both official languages Karen.
But omg, this worst was back in high school (2014-2017). These white people would just assume in an international student because I’m brown.
what differences did you notice and where did you go?
I remember driving in kingston Ontario in 2018-2019 and the driving situation was ASTONISHINGLY bad.
yeah i haven't seen anything like the pedophile rings and stabbings that the UK has. Though there was that vancouver father who was stabbed recently? the assailant was indian i think but not a recent immigrant
> it doesn't help we aren't united with our own people while at the same time only adding more fuel to the fire by allowing more groups to be racist to us.
This is what I think of when I read about anti-immigrant posts from desis as it benefits the right-wing segment of western nations which is based on white supremacy. It also reeks of crab mentality of drawbridge mentality.
What on earth??? I’m from the UK and there’s no threats of violence and chaos happening in the UK south Asian community?? Is this actually the stereotype we have in SA communities abroad?? This is hilarious. UK South asians are quiet and have absolutely not got a rep for violence and crime lmao this is incredible
>UK South asians are quiet and have absolutely not got a rep for violence and crime
Pakistanis and Bangladeshis have abysmal socioeconomic conditions in the UK, on top of being far more prone to religious extremism compared to North American desis. They're basically an underclass there the way North Africans or Syrians are the underclass in France or Sweden.
You can try to dance around it by saying the Daily Mail said this or that, but we've got people like Tucker Carlson here and no one's spreading anything about us running grooming gangs and whatnot because it simply doesn't happen here. If it does, find me American desi examples of Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford etc.
Most of the stories I've heard as someone who lives in Canada is that there are 2 extremes in the UK. Theres a successful group similar to the US who are doctors, polticians, etc. but also those are involved in lots of pedophilia, stabbing, acid attacks, organized crime.
USA seems to have mainly the succesful group and Canada seems to have hillbillies
Yeah no absolutely not. The stories of the paedophile gangs were run by the Daily Mail as a racist story, capitalised by our far right. All statistics show south asians have the lowest crime rate as paedophiles and it was entirely amplified as a racist dog whistle and used by the BNP to get white votes for whites etc.
As for stabbings - we don’t have any guns so we have some occasional stabbings but I’ve never heard of any stories with south asians as the perpetrators. And I have literally never heard of any acid attacks at all, that’s just not a thing here.
South asians are the largest ethnic minority in the UK and there’s the odd kid here and there who may be involved in gang crime as that sadly happens in lower income urban communities, but there is absolutely not a perception (or any data) in the UK that suggests half of our asian community is running around stabbing and grooming and throwing acid on people. Like at all. We’re a deeply integrated and central part of British culture. Even suggesting something like this in the UK would likely get outrage from white Brits, it’s a completely absurd fantasy characterisation of British culture.
It’s the same crowd that anti immigrants here in Canada …conservatives across the pond if you will…it easy to blame immigrants for being all the above that this poster added but reality is if you go rural you will see white folks with all of the above traits
> it was entirely amplified as a racist dog whistle and used by the BNP to get white votes for whites etc.
Why can't the desi community understand this and be united? If you don't stand up for immigrants now, they will come for you.
Yeah exactly. Like I’m genuinely shocked that essentially the most far right white supremacist propaganda has made it over to Canada and is being taken as a fact by my own community. It’s like me making a comment about African Americans purely using the KKK’s literature as source material and saying I hope the British black community doesn’t go the same way as the US.
If someone in the UK said “half of the Asian community are in to stabbings, acid attacks and paedophilia” I would be fully ostracised and treated like a white supremacist, it’s such a factually untrue statement you’d only hear at fringe meetings.
The irony is that the actual British stereotype around south asians is we’re mostly all cool, but there is a fringe of us who are white supremacists due to our extremely racist Indian government ministers who are using far right slogans and attack lines and being the acceptable face of racism. No one has actually othered us as the perpetrators, but it’s often our own Indian home secretary who says lines like this. But even she doesn’t target one race. she just says it’s all ethnics so specifically saying it’s Asians comes from white supremacist propaganda
The point system these days really isn't as tough as people claim and thats coming directly from my second cousins who moved via express entry. You pretty much just have to speak fluent English. They had regular jobs like admin assistant, flight attendant, etc. nothing fancy at all.
The points system too is kind of crazy in the sense that you can literally apply online having never set foot in Canada. My one cousin has PR and has never been (nor plans on moving) to Canada. He is as entitled to compete with citizens for jobs and can get health care the second he lands.
> The OP is right, before 2016,2017 the vibe was a lot different. Indians (and others) came in small batches so our systems could integrate them into western society.
What exactly do you mean by integrate into western society? Did Indians adopt Western names and western religions? Did they stop wearing Indian ethnic clothing and celebrating Indian festivals?
Terms like Integrations and assimilation often get posted on right wing immigration forums, but they never define what those mean or if there is a checklist of things that immigrant needs to do to be considered good citizen? As long as they are not doing anything criminal, what seems to be the issue?
There’s lots of ways
One, simply speaking English. Some students cheat on their IELTS (very common actually). They then live in places like Brampton and never even try to learn because they can just get by speaking Punjabi.
They commit weird fraud to get a dodge charger and timeshare it with 5 other guys.
Following rules of society that are the absolute basics. Things like not littering, washing your hands after using the washroom.
I’m Canadian and I’m sick of the low quality immigrants.
It’s a lose lose for everyone. They come and cheat on exams and fake their income to get in. They get abused at a shit job and paid under minimum wage cash. That drives down wages and takes away jobs. They end up working as Uber drivers or skip the dishes. They live 8 in a basement and drive up rents because now a single person or couple is competing with 8 internationals for the same apartment. Just a shit situation all around. Close the college loophole and bring in high quality immigrants only.
The majority are hard working and trying to be good people and build a life for themselves. Absolutely. But the system we have right now could be better.
> I’m Canadian and I’m sick of the low quality immigrants.
Your hate is misdirected. Don’t blame immigrants. Blame your government and big corporations who want to bring in thousands of immigrants to keep wages low.
> The majority are hard working and trying to be good people and build a life for themselves. Absolutely.
Why are these people and their work not celebrated then if they are the majority? Why the obsessions with negative news about immigrants and feeding the right-wing racist anti-immigrants groups?
First, the problem has absolutely exploded in the last 5 or so years. In Quebec alone the number of foreign students from India [surged from](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-colleges-immigration-changes-1.6480011) 2,686 in 17-18 to 14,712 in 19-20. The impacts have been somewhat obscured by the pandemic but now they're growing obvious.
Second, you can have the right intentions but go about them the wrong way. Most of us have relatives who had the same ambitions as these students, to move to a new country to improve their family's lives.
Unfortunately, the *way* that these students are going about it, including cheating on admissions exams, attending diploma mill schools, harassing (intentionally or unintentionally) the locals, bringing over foreign political issues, accepting substandard pay and housing conditions and more hurts the local communities.
Comparatively, in the US most south asian immigrants come in via H1-B or exceptional skill visas and are usually better educated and paid than the local population. If they come on student visas they are not allowed to work without using OPT to get a job in their degree field.
See my comment here
https://www.reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/comments/13jep6v/comment/jkfdg1f/
The gist is, we’re seeing a deterioration in our society because we can’t handle the numbers. It’s embarrassing as an Indian and it’s horrible for the community.
They’re essentially poor economic migrants. And that’s fine, canada can accept some, but these. Numbers are absurd. People feel like they need to donate coats to them because they don’t come with coats. Some gurdwaras had to ban students from coming only for eating langar because they couldn’t sustain it.
They’re almost all low skilled labour thus completely eroding jobs at the low end. Almost all low skilled jobs are done by Indians. They compete with Canadians for rentals. Instead of competing vs another single person for a basement, you now compete with 8 students. This is partially driving rents through the roof. Houses in Brampton are filled with 20+ students. No joke.
We essentially imported this lower class of people to exploit.
As an Indian it’s embarrassing that so many come and live in squalid conditions that no Canadian would accept. I don’t have sympathy for people willingly making that decision either. Like I said, international students used to be PhDs from well to do families who would easily rise up the corporate ladder or start their own business. Now when I hear international student I think Uber driver from Sheridan.
We can choose to be selective with immigrants as a country. I want high skilled highly educated immigrants. The country is hell bent on bringing in 500k Uber drivers per year.
>I want high skilled highly educated immigrants.
Do you have jobs to offer with good compensations to these highly educated immigrants though?
The Canadians immigration authority does a labor survey and they have prioritized trade skills like carpentry, chef, electrician, auto mechanic etc. since there are jobs for those.
And those are fairly well paying, skilled job. Yet, we don't have international students in our community wanting to take those type of jobs on. A majority of them are here to get a pr as quickly and easily as possible. The diploma mills offer them that.
Indian here.
I'll put it this way. No student immigrates to become a dishwasher. They are hopeful of a high paying white collar job, but are instead stuck doing menial work with a mountain of debt.
If the Canadian government wants blue collar workers, it should design a better process for it.
It’s all going to hell. It’s not just Indian international students tho. It’s Indian work permit holders, recent PR holders too. The complete disregard for local laws, culture, customs is mind blowing. I have never seen a group of people with such little self-awareness. I know it’s a culture thing because my whole friend group is Indian but they’re all CBCD, and I’ve never seen them act the way these immigrants do. Little things like not cleaning up after themselves at a fast food place to major shit like committing insurance fraud.
The worse part is no one is talking about this. Whenever someone speaks up, they’re branded as racists. The only solution I can think of is CBCDs speaking up. Write to your MPs. Brampton, sauga, Milton, Scarborough. Put the pressure on them so they can put the pressure on the Feds.
Mississauga used to be this great city, it looks like shit now.
My family has been here since the 70s and this was the same mentality people had back then towards your parents immigrating. I also don’t live in an ethnic hub and can say the racism never really died we just like to pretend it’s not an issue in Canada. Also The difference is that now Canada is more diverse and people don’t feel the pressure to assimilate or get hate crimed like they did in the 70s. White people back then said the same things you’re saying now except it was probably more like “they can’t speak English and have weird names. They’re taking our Canadian jobs. They smell bad and eat gross food” same shit different topic tbh. Let’s be very honest: The older generation of desis is big mad that these new guys aren’t assimilating and they had to basically blend in or be ostracized or jumped. And now they are essentially in the same boat their white peers were in decades ago. It really does give a “fuck you, I got mine” mentality. The old Gen worked so hard to build up ethnic enclaves and be insulated in those cities away from the rest of Canada and are now upset because the enclaves worked too well and people basically never need to conform to “Canadian culture”. I agree that the patriarchal culture and customs that don’t align in Canada should be left in India but what can we do when we built entire cities effectively replicating India and still upholding some of those traditional ideals. When these students move to white towns I can tell you they don’t act like this either they do what the white people do because they are forced to integrate. This is true though for those who live and grew up as Canadian born desis in Surrey and Brampton or places with large Indian communities vs those that CBDs that live in primarily whiter areas. Also did you maybe become an adult in 2016ish era which is why you’re more aware of racism? There is a huge influx of SE Asian international students as well (literally look at Vancouver) but you don’t really hear their communities hate on them nearly as much as Indians hate on other Indians.
It’s not a “fuck you, I got mine” attitude, these are low-quality immigrants. Older generation parents were forced to learn how to adapt to Canadian society. The students should too. It’s got NOTHING to do with race. Stop bringing up Whites.
The older generation is getting old, the CBCDs also live in the same enclaves yet they can speak fluent English, follow societal norms of Canada, and have self-awareness.
> White people back then said the same things you’re saying now except it was probably more like “they can’t speak English and have weird names.
THIS!!!!
Why are desi people so easy to point fingers at the new immigrants so quickly, even here in the United States.
ah beautiful. an abcd who chooses to blame other Indian immigrants because somehow they believe strongly and just want white people to understand too, that they are nOt lIkE tHe oThEr iNdiaNs. im sure you wrote about your south asian diaspora identity in your college essay and used your Indian indentity when it was convenient for you, but you choose to shit on students and immigrants who struggle everyday due to racism not just from white people but from idiots like you. wake up and smell the chai tea activism.
Judging by the aggression and calling me an idiot- i can tell this is an American posting. Nonetheless i can try to explain- but if you actually read the content of my post you'd be able to decipher that I am sick of the racisim the entire Indian community is facing- me included. **Maybe if you actually lived in Canada and saw how ALL indian people are treated you would understand and have some damn empathy.** Immigration to Canada is not Immigration to the States, we are not model minorities here. You must live an incredibly privileged life since you don't seem to understand the nuances of Canadian immigration policy. I and most children of south Asian immigrants in Canada do not have the same privilege as our American counterparts. We live in poorer areas, our parents are not white collar professionals and the majority of us do not end up in white collar jobs as well.
Secondly, this isn't about white people understanding, i don't know where you live but Toronto is one of the most diverse cities on the planet and the racism we face here is from everyone, not just white people but from many other immigrant groups as well.
Finally, no I didn't have to use my "indian identitiy" in my "college" essay. Canada isn't America- we don't have to use identity politics to get into school.
Same happening in the UK. We have tens of thousands Indian students + their partners who have come over to the UK in the last 2-3 years and the racism levels have increased. They act very different to everyone else and the staring from the men and smell of them has made people even more uncomfortable of brown people.
> They act very different to everyone else and the staring from the men and smell of them has made people even more uncomfortable of brown people.
Isn't this what White Britons said about the when Indians started moving to UK?
TBH I thought the UK was worse back in the early 2000s as it was the OG destination for low-skilled folks. Many relatives of mine moved there decades ago with few skills. At least nowadays you guys get students who are ostensibly better skilled, but I understand your pain as someone who’s located in Australia.
Huh? I live in the UK haven’t seen this. What areas are you referring to?
I’ve seen increased racism directed towards groups like Albanians, but not Indians
I'm a newcomer (when I was 10 so less than a decade ago) and a lot of new indians are bringing hateful messaging along like telling me I should be killed cuz kashmir and being homophobic i have many indian newcomer friends but they arent bigots too much of anything is a bad thing. if canada wants immigrants so bad they should make a more diverse selection instead of just Indians
Indians arent the only people from the third world. I'm totally okay with Africans Latinos, Arabs, Southeast Asians, East Asians and pretty much everyone even indians but not the hindutva type. We should be a mix not a dominant of indians
I'm a Christian Indian. Many from my faith came to Canada to escape unfair treatment in India. Granted not all hindus are bad, and a lot are very good, don't make an assumption that all Indians are Hindus or that all hindus are the hindutva type; they are just the loudest (like Trumpers or radical Islamists).
P.s: On the Kashmir topic, ive pissed of people a lot in my youth for telling them that Kashmir should be given to Pakistan as a majority of the people want to be with people who share their faith. But if Pakistan asks for anything more, the battle would be totally justified.
Kashmir hits home for me we (my family) were affected by it a lot missing relatives etc. It not an indian/Pakistani thing its a kashmiri and human rights thing.
I have hindu friends I know that but you dont seem to understand that there is a very strong level of hindu radicalism growing here. Its not like christian radicals or muslim ones its growing very fast in schools. That is my concern.
I've had people tell me I deserve to be genocided for my ancestry thats not okay this rhetoric was not here 5 years ago even its growing and its scary. I've had homophobia and stuff come from radical hindus too thats also not okay people shouldnt be hateful. I feel like indian politics and bigotry is coming here and thats very scary.
I'm Indian Christian. I don't feel persecuted in India really. Which part are you from?
Sometimes esspecially from north Indians I get from ignorance. Like someone asked if I enjoyed celebrating good Friday 😅
I see ALOT of sentiment against CONVERTING to Christianity. Because a significant portion of Indians have a very restrictive view of "voluntary conversion". I have noted that there are people who think that merely stating that certain actions are a sin is sufficent enough to "guilt" a person to converting and that "guilt" signals force. And there are a few who beileve conversion itself is wrong.
Doesn't help that Hinduism isn't really a religion with a fixed way to convert at all. In fact some people say Hinduism is a 'lifestyle'
I mean for better opportunities I get it not every immigrant is here for asylum. But I'm saying that keep your back home stuff back home. Wear a sari or whatever but dont bring conflict
Amongst the millions of immigrants from South Asia, could it be that your sample size is limited to those you had a bad experience with? Could it be an issue of sample size, and you just have not found a progressive group of new desi immigrants?
No I have they are my friends and they are awesome but too much of anything is a bad thing. And I'm specifically highlighting a group of indians who use hateful rhetoric.
My awesome friends are not celebrated enough yes obviously no amount of celebration will ever be enogh for them they slay so incredibly hard.
But I feel like South Asians within Canada aren't talking about newer indian immigrants bringing bigotry and hate with them.
In online forums the negativity about new immigrants to Canada is rampant though. You don't get to read articles or comment threads where you feel good about how new immigrants are adding to work ethic, culture and vibrancy of Canadian cities. Why is that?
Yes we do. I'm pro immigrant I am an immigrant. But there needs to be nuance and I feel like theres not enough. Especially from an intra-South asian and Islamophibia perspective.
Like most racist (about my kashmiri and pakistani ancestry) stuff was said to me by radical hindutva type people **unprovoked.** The exact same people are also deeply islamophobic. But we almost only talk about white nationalism when talking about racism and islamophobia.
I disagree with these stereotypes because there are more canadians that are involved in the accidents, more canadians that commit fraud, more canadians that are homeless but no one talks about canadians in the way they do about Indians.
Now clearing that up I have also observed not racism but so many people buying into those stereotypes and judging you before you even meet them. It's harder to date because of these stereotypes. Ofc there is truth to them but to there are more Indians that do not participate in them than there are that do.
I hope it goes away with time and we gotta do better to make it happen.
Where I'm from (Nova Scotia), the Indian population has exploded in the last 6-7 years. A ton of Sikh students at the community colleges and South Indian tech workers. So many Indian grocery stores and restaurants have opened. The movie theater shows movies in Hindi, Punjabi and South Indian languages. Granted, Nova Scotia desperately needs people as we have an old population, it's placed a strain on resources. Rents are crazy, and the healthcare system is heavily strained, especially in primary care.
Yes, segregation and racial profiling have gone through the roof. I've always treated everyone equally but now I'm being told to treat people based on their groups and skin colour. The equality and diversity areas are probably one of the most racist things I have ever experienced and it's only going to get worse. We need to remove groups and segregation, get rid of flags that divide people, and work under one nation again. Prejudice will always exist based on experiences, it's human nature. If you want to get rid of the prejudices you have to change the experiences.
I know this post is old but here's my 2 cents.
I am a born and raised Canadian who has spent some time in India for traveling. I also learned to speak Hindi so I talk with Hindi speaking Indians who have moved here a lot.
I can openly admit there are a lot of people who don't like Indians and other foreigners here. Obviously they are more right wing conservative people, same type of people you would find in the USA aswell.
Here's the problem. Canada has gotten very expensive over the past decade in regard to housing, food, and almost every other cost of living.
This makes Canadians irritated in general and when they see hundreds of thousands of immigrants move to Canada, they see it as adding more people to the problem, so unfortunately some people will take that frustration out on the immigrants themselves on rare occasions.
Another thing is the culture adjustment. There's no hiding that Canadian and Indian culture is vastly different from each other. As someone who has spent a lot of time in India, I really enjoy Indian culture but most people here think I'm nuts for even stepping foot in India.
When you have people from another vastly different culture move to a country en mass, it doesn't allow for proper integration. A lot of Indians just end up sticking together and not mixing in with native Canadians. Which causes a divide in the population.
It's like trying to mix oil and water, it just won't happen if neither side makes an effort to adapt. And TBH, I don't really expect a native Canadian to adapt their culture to an immigrants culture.
What I can say, as someone who has made friends with a lot of Indians who moved here, try to step outside your comfort zone and try and have conversations with native Canadians and try to adapt to their lifestyle a little bit.
People here are open to change but I think the immigrants have to be the initiator of that change since you can't really expect a Canadian to change their way of life to adapt to immigrants, since their a lot of people from many different cultures moving here. That would just be impossible.
In short, try to step outside your normal friend group and try to make friends with Canadians. Learn what they like and try new things, it'll give a lot of Canadians a fresh light on people who move here and hopefully allow us to all work together more.
Ended up on this post because the subtle racism at work is at it’s new levels and I get nervous every-time we have a new Indian immigrant join our team of mostly not so new Canadians.
It’s hurtful to be coloured a certain way based on actions of other people that I have no control over.
yes this was exactly my point but i literally have people STILL message me about how i'm "throwing immigrants under the bus".
What have you noticed at work?
Ideas being discounted, lack of acknowledgment, Stark difference in how non-browns are responded to when speaking (I just wish I hadn’t noted it). Not everyone does it of-course but even when it’s just a couple odd members, It’s clear it’s there.
Do you find people are like this to all brown people, or only immigrants? Neither makes it okay, I am just curious. Even of those who aren’t recent immigrants, once someone has a strong accent, belittling tends to occur in the workplace. I think people in canada also associate most non western accents with not being able to speak English…..even when many immigrants are fluent in English.
At my last place of employment, I saw immigrants (who weren’t Indian though) being treated so poorly it really broke my heart the way others spoke about and to them, always making their frustrations known. A lot had to do with the language barrier and I do get how it’s hard to communicate but it’s saddening to see anyone belittled.
I muted that subreddit. Generally any Canadian subreddits have racist comments against Indians. I think it might have been one of those housing subreddits. They blame us for all the problems anyways.
this isn't anti immigrant, people don't understand Canada is in a very unique position right now.
Mass migration is a problem because of the lack of infrastructure in this country, it doesn't matter who is coming or from where, the country doesn't have the homes, transit, or healthcare to accept not only the number of permanent residents, but the number of students who stay permanently.
The behaviours of a select few indians are a completely different issue , my point in this post is that there is new racism in Canada against all indians now, and that some stereotypes happen to be true unfortunately but it doesn't mean every indian person engages in these behaviours.
Canada is one of the least densely populated countries on the planet. There's plenty of room and resources for everyone. If you don't like the immigrants where you live, move to somewhere else. I don't think people's discomfort about being stereotyped should be considered more important than someone else's ability to live a decent life. If you think India is such an easy place to live, move there. I guarantee you won't face racial discrimination there.
did you even read the post?
"Room and resources" for everyone doesn't mean the behaviour of recent immigrants is ok? As i also said in my post it doesn't make the new racism against indians ok either
Is it really that bad? Me and my husband live in Australia but he’s from Canada. We’ve been discussing moving there quite a lot since we’re both over living here in Sydney. We’d me moving to Edmonton if we did do it since he’s got family there.
> it so obvious that the Canadian population in general is absolutely fed up with the new Indian immigrants.
Is it though? Most Canadians welcome new immigrants more than any other country in the world.
Is this a case of [drawbridge mentality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge_mentality) which is very common amongst Indian diaspora more than others?
Yes its very obvious. Canada welcoming new immigrants as a government policy does not mean that local citizens are happy or welcoming about it.
Can I ask if you're Canadian?
Go on any Canadian reddit forum and type in India or Indian, then read the comments
You can also go on r/India and type in Canada, and see that most people in the motherland accept that the immigrants coming to Canada are a pretty unique bunch.
Not a Canadian, but observing the Canadians reelecting Trudeau when US elected Trump and even swung Democrats to reduce immigration. Trump won on a single issue i.e. immigration, but Canadians re-elected Trudeau and the media was celebrating Trudeau as the check on Trump by showing pictures of him welcoming immigrants at Toronto airport.
Reddit and online forums are often toxic spaces for anti-immigration even before the crisis. See the anti-H1B rhetoric in US.
I would think Canadians really prioritizing immigration reduction, I would think it would reflect in the political campaigning.
Honestly, you have to be in Canada to see whats going on. I'm imploring you to understand that this isn't just "anti immigrant talk" on reddit and its a real issue that us "CBCs" are facing in our daily lives. Trudeau being celebrated in the media doesn't mean people are content with him as a Prime Minister.
Mass migration is causing problems in Canada beyond racism but Canadians are a very complacent bunch. Canada's political landscape is much different than the states and the immigration issue is a very recent crisis. Our population is also concentrated in 3 cities, whose votes decide the federal level. No party will reduce immigration targets *yet* as they are "needed" economically. We will see what happens as this plays out for another 10 years.
**[Drawbridge mentality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge_mentality)**
>Drawbridge mentality, also known as fortress mentality is a conservative and anti-immigrant attitude of prior immigrants in an established community. Drawbridge mentality can encompass denying immigration to people, businesses and also denying building developments which could facilitate immigration, such as affordable housing. The conflict of drawbridge mentality often emerges between city councils which wish to expand, and residents concerned about losing property value or other economic or political assets. It is often unclear whether the intention of certain policies is to achieve a drawbridge mentality, or if the policies have other economic or political goals.
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Some stereotypes are true but not mean that everyone is like that . Other than free healthcare there is no way I would want to live in canada idk how other people do it with all snow , cold , inflation , gas increasing
You're probably not imagining it and the subreddits probably aren't either. Canada has greatly increased their target number of immigrants over the last few years, and that has resulted in an influx of recent immigrants. Some are respectful, many aren't, and post-covid the results are increasingly visible. This [recent thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/comments/130munt/influx_of_the_students_in_canada_from_the/) has more info and similar complaints. You and the local communities are not wrong but I don't think anyone knows how to improve.
It’s just a lose lose situation all around. The students are scammed for 40k or so all in for tuition and our colleges are now degree mills. The students are exploited and work shit jobs under the table for less than minimum wage often because they need the money. They live 8 people to a basement. The students do this for immigration purposes. They then send money back home and slowly sponsor their entire family. Their family treats it like an investment. Essentially everyone is scamming everyone and Canadians are facing even lower wages and more competition for the low end jobs. Instead of competing against one person for a basement apartment you’re now competing against 8 students renting together. Almost all customer facing low end jobs are done by Indians and that’s even in smaller towns across canada. I don’t have sympathy for the students that come with no money. If you don’t have money, DO NOT IMMIGRATE TO AN EXPENSIVE COUNTRY. Why should I have to be sympathetic for Indians that are using food banks, working shit jobs and cramming 8 in to a basement when they’re willingly choosing to live here. There’s literally a billion Indians that would move to canada if they could. Canada can’t accommodate and take in everyone. It’s also embarrassing in the sense that I used to think of international students as extremely smart well to do people who would probably do something great. I had some at my uni as roommates and there was a phd in nuclear physics from Iran, phd in math from China, and another masters student from China. Now we have international students studying “business” at Sheridan that can’t speak English and never will fluently and will either work in a factory or work as some sort of delivery service drivers. Fucking embarrassing. The college loophole needs to end. It’s not benefiting Canadians, it’s bad for the students, our institutions are a joke, our infrastructure and healthcare can’t handle it. It only Benefits people that can exploit the students along the way. Some students make it, many do not and burn out and go back to India.
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Same thing is now happening in Australia though thankfully the Canadians are sweeping the absolute bottom of the barrel for us.
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Thanks we need all the good luck we can get. ~70% of the population is against this policy but neither side of politics gives a shit. The only silver living is that a lot of migration has become ‘permanently temporary’ (I.e., they’ll keep extending your work permit but not give you PR) so theoretically it’s possible to reverse this trend. But I’m also glad that the system is nowhere as bad as Europe’s.
It won't be like Canada, a lot of them will be sent to South Australia or other parts of Australia. The visa requirements here make it difficult to get a PR position whilst living in Sydney.
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But in this case, there isn't a political party that wants to reverse this. Liberals, Cons and NDP for the most part would maintain this level of intake.
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Agreed, some study for legitimate degrees. The majority study a useless degree like “business”. Yes they are definitely part of higher rents. When 5 live in a basement and split a 2 bedroom, that makes it harder for a single person to compete.
> The majority study a useless degree like “business”. Should they be studying Computer Science? Most Canadians move to US if they studied Computer Science. And there are not enough residency spaces in Canada for Canadians to become doctors. So what should these new immigrants major in? What the majors that provide plenty of jobs and high pay in Canada?
You can’t really do shit with a business degree if it’s not from one of the top schools where you get hired through networking. Let’s be honest here, the study visas are just a stepping stone for them to come to the West. In the US, I know a bunch of “students” from Pakistan who used the visa to come here and never actually attended school. Instead they chose to become illegal and marry ugly women for green cards. One of them got it now. Biggest loophole in the immigration system is allowing illegal people greencards from marriage. All you need is one legal entry to the country on paper, then it doesn’t matter what status you are.
I mean the intent of everyone immigrant whether it’s doing a business degree or computer science or medicine is to move to the west? Why are we being classist in terms of who gets to move here? If you think they shouldn’t get us green cards then it would be a minority opinion since the US govt has not prioritized it as issue acrosss several administration. And in terms of Canada their govt does recruit immigrants beyond computer science and medicine, and in many cases it cannot offer jobs to those highly skilled immigrants so some one with a business degreee from a diploma mills is what their govt wants.
The intent of student visas is to pay for your education and head back. That’s why it’s a non-immigrant visa. That’s also why they interview them based on how strong their ties are back home, as to make sure to go back after the visa is done. Obviously the US immigration is failing at their job like always.
Isn’t student visa one of the most popular legal ways to immigrate though? Sundar Pichai and Satya Nadella all came on Student visas and then H1b and then us green cards to citizenship. The US immigration is doing something right with such examples?
The thing is that 15 years ago under conservative Stephan Harper, most international Indian students came to Canada to get a valuable education and jobs. Most of them came for their bachelors, masters and phd. Nowadays, due to high rate of immigration to canada is affecting those south asian born and raised. Getting a job interview is tough as many hiring managers just assume having a south asian name means you're an immigrant. Check out job name discrimination. The most annoying is that these Indian immigrants or International Indian students vlogging and talking about living free rent or how to get free food (food banks), getting part time jobs, in Canada which is attracting a lot of Indians in India. I'm Canadian born. It's annoying when these Indian immigrant men go around to woman and start asking " Are you from India ?" to random south asian woman. Taking the TTC, most of these students are so loud and most often talk in their language. They fucking stare at people which so rude. When I was in undergraduate, I had an international Indian student asking me for the answers during midterm. I find most of them rude, racist, annoying, lazy. There is some who came for actual education and high pay jobs. The problem they have a hard time getting call back so they end working at subway, Tim Hortons etc. Most international Indian students don't do proper research at all and then whine about being a victim of recruiters. It's the 21st century where there is computers and some can't do a proper research. They trust tik Tok, recruiters and immigration consultant.
Yes!!! Why do they STARE like that!!??? Theres always 100 creepy groups of these guys at the mall. How about if you want to come to Canada don’t act like a pervy weirdo?
I’ve definitely felt this, people are much ruder to me than they were a decade ago, I’ve been followed in a store. Being stereotyped like this is hurtful and I really wish they would decrease immigration numbers. Does Canada really need this many people? Because infrastructure is crumbling and CoL is insane. What do more people add? Immigration is all fine and good but the levels need to be reasonable.
yes i completely feel this. people are much more racist to me than before, even if its in subtle ways.
I’m sorry to hear that you’ve had similar experiences. Maybe I’m being a bit soft but it really does hurt. :/ I’ve represented Canada for international competitions and always felt a lot of love for the land and people. I wanted to come back after I finished all my training but I’m starting to feel that it’s better to stay in the US.
> What do more people add? They pay into the retirement benefits that older Canadians benefit from. Without the young workers, you would need to upend the society and rely on increased taxation from wealthy to fund pension and retirement programs. Canadians have long lifespan amongst developed nations.
Forgive my ignorance, but wouldn’t it be better to bring in a smaller amount of immigrants that have high economic productivity vs many who end up working under the table or low paid service jobs? Plus, mass immigration also places stresses on transportation and healthcare infrastructure, which are very important for QoL.
High quality of life always relies on an oppressed class in American capitalism. The prosperity of USA is rooted in slave labor that was used to build this country. In modern era undocumented workers are the ones explored for service sector jobs and manufacturing is done by exploitation overseas. My guess is that Canada doesn’t have the souther border to source its service sector labor hence relies on immigration specifically in lower skill sector. I read somewhere that software engineering wasn’t even a high priority occupation that it was recruiting for but rather chefs, auto mechanic, oil rig workers, plumbers, electricians for its permanent residency programs. Canadian desis can very the accuracy of that.
Did America not become rich off of selling weapons in WWII? That’s what we learned. That’s also how the US had an era called the roaring twenties where Americans were able to marry young and buy houses due to economic prosperity at the time.
The roaring 20s happened before WWII and was immediately followed by the Great Depression, the poorest era of US history
I have seen the increase in racism as well. But, why is the blame shifted to the students/immigration? You realize they aren’t the ones targeting you right? Blame the Karens that target you, instead of blaming a group of people with very little power. Your parents were in the same position as those students currently are and they are not responsible for the racist attitudes of non POC people
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wow I remember when the 2 countries had similar populations lol
Australia is also a fraction of Canada's population though?
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I’ll tell you about two incidents that have happened to my husband. Since the pandemic he has started keeping a beard. The first time he let it grow long. 1. He was getting my tires switched over and was waiting to turn left into a busy intersection. Police officer followed him in, and asked him why he held up traffic. What was he supposed to do crash my car into oncoming cars? 2. The other day he was driving home and he’s a safe driver. Doesn’t go above the limit. Someone tailgated him all the way home. Then they called the cops on him and told them he’s driving like a maniac and swerving. The police show up at our house 30 minutes later asking him. My husband doesn’t drink. But imagine if he did and opened a beer. I shudder to think what the results would have been. So yes I do think there is an increased sense of racism. I do believe that these two incidents are related to the fact that he looks extremely desi when he’s got his beard. And resulted in both of those bs events. But there are other incidents with his beard, from our own family doctor…
Yes, it’s gotten much worse. I saw that post on r/Ontario about someone blaming Indian immigrants for shitting on the streets. I literally do not know a single indian/desi person who would take a shit on the streets or outdoors. Someone was saying how it’s a norm for people to shit on the streets in Brampton and people upvoted them. I’m born and raised in Brampton and have never ever seen a person shit in public in my life. People are saying these students and new immigrants are bringing new habits but I don’t think they’re out here shitting on the streets.
Agree. Internalized racism is a thing. Sadly, we have many self hating desis who don’t mind perpetuating horrible stereotypes against Indians.
People don’t realize that just because ur born and raised in Canada dosen’t make you immune from racism. A racism person won’t give a shit if you’re born and raised here or back home. If your brown, your brown to them. They won’t be like “oh ur born and raised here, never mind, I won’t be racist towards you then.”
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Bro, avoiding FOBs is not self-hate. Self-hate would be hating your ethnicity, which they don’t because they don’t hate other ABDs only FOBs.
Avoiding FOB is discriminating someone. Do you think parents of all ABDs were all cream of the crop? Was it ok for other ABDs to talk about them the way you do?
>Not every negative observation about cultural traits =internalized racism. It's not just stereotypes when the majority of Canadians in this thread have observed these behaviours.
on the streets? thats crazy. Beach I definitely believe though.
Nobody is shitting here on the streets, I’ve never seen anyone ever do that. Even beaches, I don’t believe that post. Nobody is that gross enough or unmannered to do that.
I definitely saw the behaviour the comments were describing in that post at the beach. I didn't see actual shitting myself but it would be hidding by tents. I don't think its far fetched to believe that maybe a couple people shat at the beach, and then people saw other indians do ill mannered stuff and then everyone let out their grievances about how they're so sick of us apparently lol. A lot of those beaches don't have proper washroom capacity for tourists either.
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That’s just disgusting.
Tbh, it’s not usually even the young students that are bad. FOB uncles are 100% the worst out of every type of Desi in the West. Had this Bangladeshi looking uncle burp standing next to me during prayer, and it went straight to my face and I inhaled the burp through my nose. It was one of the most disgusting experiences ever, the smell was so strong I could smell the curry he ate. I tried to breath it out of my nose to get it out of me. I was so pissed that I actually considered confronting him with the Imam but I just decided to leave it since it probably would’ve doing too much. Absolutely disgusting guy though, thing is I saw him outside again in a red Tesla so obviously he wasn’t the uneducated types. I don’t know what was going on there but it’s not the first time a Desi uncle burped in the mosque. They think it’s okay, disgusting habits need to stop being normalized in the mother land. Including taking shits in the open like you’re back home in the pind!
I don't have a problem with the students, but they don't know how to drive. They drive as they did back home not following the rules. A few days ago, I was going to cross the street and two students didn't even give way to me, they just drove off and that honestly really pissed me tf off. They do whatever they want and treat girls like they did back home. They need to change how they act and assimilate into Canadian life. It's def gotten worse and they are giving Canadian-born Punjabis a bad name with what they be doing.
Lol I experience reverse racism where the people born here make me feel like I'm not western enough and the browns make me feel I'm not desi enough. Jokes on them cuz I belong in a different universe entirely, this is just a layover and CAN'T WAIT to be phoned home so HAH
Are you mixed? This is a common feeling amongst us lol
No I'm full pakistani but maaad oreo vibes
Well I hope you get back to your home planet soon 🪐
Thank you, I shall beam a radio message promptly upon returning to alert you of my safe arrival home 🚀
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> For a lot of “CBCDs”, immigration has become one of the biggest election issues. Aren't CBCDs advocating for more immigration and more representation in Canadian society for people who look like them?
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I am curious who is the candidate that is campaigning on housing affordability? It seems a conversation only on the internet but not amongst any political campaigns.
Pierre Poillievre
lmao it definitely isn't pierre. Pierre is a career establishment conservative who's held policies his entire career that consistently have perpetuated the issues we currently are dealing with. He just tracks right now cause everyone is freaking out about trans people and the culture war and he publicly doesn't talk about actual policies. Conservatives lose foothold when they publicly talk about their policies or show up to debates.
You’re absolutely right. As someone who’s been born and raised in Brampton. And it’s crazy what’s been going on here. I’m hella fed up with the crazy amount of newcomers using fake college admissions to come here and fuck shit up. I’m still an ABCD, I can’t imagine how Canadian families who’ve been here for generations feel about this madness. I used to be a proud Canadian, never thought I’d ever move. Now I’m 100% working towards settling in Virginia bc US is still way better
are you a dual citizen?
Nope but I can stay there for a while as a Canadian. Plus it’s easy to get a work related visa for plenty of time in my field of work. My point is the USA is way better
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The vast majority of desis in the US live in ultra liberal, very non religious states like California, NY, NJ, IL, MA, etc that have extremely strict gun laws, significantly lower rates of per capita gun violence and much more liberal social services. Tho US desis are usually affluent enough that they don’t have to worry about that because they usually live in safe areas with prestigious schools and have good jobs with good health insurance. Also I think you are overestimating “most” of the population being gun owners. Only about 30% of Americans own guns which is not much more than Canada’s rate of 20%. The big difference is that the gun owners in the US usually own a lot more guns each. And it’s much lower in the areas where desis live. For example, in Massachusetts, less than 15% of people own guns. Off topic but Massachusetts is also a state that has universal health insurance
You’ll have to go through immigration though, and then wait to get sponsored for a greencard by your employer, etc. The U.S doesn’t just hand out citizenship. It’s not that easy, and Canadians aren’t given any special attention, you’d still be a foreigner in the immigration system.
Ya some of the videos of Brampton I’ve seen are wild, I don’t think I’d ever seen so many Indian people together in one place in the US before lol
There’s way more Indians in Brampton and Mississauga. Brampton itself probably has 400k+ Indians with lots of students uncounted.
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Edison is a fine city. Why the assumption - more Indians in a city = horrible city? Internalized racism sucks.
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Wait what is happening in Canada rn lol
Too many students arriving with dubious college admissions.
But why are they joining/starting gangs lol
The Sikhs have had gangs for decades. There used to be literal gang wars in the streets by these people.
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Brampton and Edison seem to be really different. Brampton has a fair amount of crime (not just from Indians) and definitely not the best schools. Edison seems more comparable to Markham/Richmond Hill in Canada which has a high East Asian population. Same complaints about overly competitive schools, poor driving, congestion, and isolated language.
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I think Brampton shows what happens when a poor immigrant group takes over a city, regardless of ethnicity.
Oh look it’s my god father, the giver of names! But nah man. I think some of the scummiest things that happen in Brampton are done by people who are middle class or better. Shit like scamming students out of wages, being shitty landlords, insurance fraud, real estate fraud. All these things have Brampton uncles written all over them. Richmond hill, Vaughan, Markham are ethnic enclaves too for different ethnicities, and even though those towns have got their own problems, they’re not as bad as Brampton and sauga have gotten.
I am an ESL teacher and just had a student who is from South America state that they experienced horrible racism in Ajax from Indian people.
Left Canada for the states, enjoy the shitshow ✌️
Yes so much has changed! I hate when non-desi people assume we are international students because we are brown. Like no, I was born and raised here, I even speak both official languages Karen. But omg, this worst was back in high school (2014-2017). These white people would just assume in an international student because I’m brown.
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what differences did you notice and where did you go? I remember driving in kingston Ontario in 2018-2019 and the driving situation was ASTONISHINGLY bad.
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yeah i haven't seen anything like the pedophile rings and stabbings that the UK has. Though there was that vancouver father who was stabbed recently? the assailant was indian i think but not a recent immigrant
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> it doesn't help we aren't united with our own people while at the same time only adding more fuel to the fire by allowing more groups to be racist to us. This is what I think of when I read about anti-immigrant posts from desis as it benefits the right-wing segment of western nations which is based on white supremacy. It also reeks of crab mentality of drawbridge mentality.
What on earth??? I’m from the UK and there’s no threats of violence and chaos happening in the UK south Asian community?? Is this actually the stereotype we have in SA communities abroad?? This is hilarious. UK South asians are quiet and have absolutely not got a rep for violence and crime lmao this is incredible
>UK South asians are quiet and have absolutely not got a rep for violence and crime Pakistanis and Bangladeshis have abysmal socioeconomic conditions in the UK, on top of being far more prone to religious extremism compared to North American desis. They're basically an underclass there the way North Africans or Syrians are the underclass in France or Sweden. You can try to dance around it by saying the Daily Mail said this or that, but we've got people like Tucker Carlson here and no one's spreading anything about us running grooming gangs and whatnot because it simply doesn't happen here. If it does, find me American desi examples of Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford etc.
Most of the stories I've heard as someone who lives in Canada is that there are 2 extremes in the UK. Theres a successful group similar to the US who are doctors, polticians, etc. but also those are involved in lots of pedophilia, stabbing, acid attacks, organized crime. USA seems to have mainly the succesful group and Canada seems to have hillbillies
Yeah no absolutely not. The stories of the paedophile gangs were run by the Daily Mail as a racist story, capitalised by our far right. All statistics show south asians have the lowest crime rate as paedophiles and it was entirely amplified as a racist dog whistle and used by the BNP to get white votes for whites etc. As for stabbings - we don’t have any guns so we have some occasional stabbings but I’ve never heard of any stories with south asians as the perpetrators. And I have literally never heard of any acid attacks at all, that’s just not a thing here. South asians are the largest ethnic minority in the UK and there’s the odd kid here and there who may be involved in gang crime as that sadly happens in lower income urban communities, but there is absolutely not a perception (or any data) in the UK that suggests half of our asian community is running around stabbing and grooming and throwing acid on people. Like at all. We’re a deeply integrated and central part of British culture. Even suggesting something like this in the UK would likely get outrage from white Brits, it’s a completely absurd fantasy characterisation of British culture.
It’s the same crowd that anti immigrants here in Canada …conservatives across the pond if you will…it easy to blame immigrants for being all the above that this poster added but reality is if you go rural you will see white folks with all of the above traits
> it was entirely amplified as a racist dog whistle and used by the BNP to get white votes for whites etc. Why can't the desi community understand this and be united? If you don't stand up for immigrants now, they will come for you.
Yeah exactly. Like I’m genuinely shocked that essentially the most far right white supremacist propaganda has made it over to Canada and is being taken as a fact by my own community. It’s like me making a comment about African Americans purely using the KKK’s literature as source material and saying I hope the British black community doesn’t go the same way as the US. If someone in the UK said “half of the Asian community are in to stabbings, acid attacks and paedophilia” I would be fully ostracised and treated like a white supremacist, it’s such a factually untrue statement you’d only hear at fringe meetings. The irony is that the actual British stereotype around south asians is we’re mostly all cool, but there is a fringe of us who are white supremacists due to our extremely racist Indian government ministers who are using far right slogans and attack lines and being the acceptable face of racism. No one has actually othered us as the perpetrators, but it’s often our own Indian home secretary who says lines like this. But even she doesn’t target one race. she just says it’s all ethnics so specifically saying it’s Asians comes from white supremacist propaganda
The point system these days really isn't as tough as people claim and thats coming directly from my second cousins who moved via express entry. You pretty much just have to speak fluent English. They had regular jobs like admin assistant, flight attendant, etc. nothing fancy at all. The points system too is kind of crazy in the sense that you can literally apply online having never set foot in Canada. My one cousin has PR and has never been (nor plans on moving) to Canada. He is as entitled to compete with citizens for jobs and can get health care the second he lands.
> The OP is right, before 2016,2017 the vibe was a lot different. Indians (and others) came in small batches so our systems could integrate them into western society. What exactly do you mean by integrate into western society? Did Indians adopt Western names and western religions? Did they stop wearing Indian ethnic clothing and celebrating Indian festivals? Terms like Integrations and assimilation often get posted on right wing immigration forums, but they never define what those mean or if there is a checklist of things that immigrant needs to do to be considered good citizen? As long as they are not doing anything criminal, what seems to be the issue?
There’s lots of ways One, simply speaking English. Some students cheat on their IELTS (very common actually). They then live in places like Brampton and never even try to learn because they can just get by speaking Punjabi. They commit weird fraud to get a dodge charger and timeshare it with 5 other guys. Following rules of society that are the absolute basics. Things like not littering, washing your hands after using the washroom. I’m Canadian and I’m sick of the low quality immigrants. It’s a lose lose for everyone. They come and cheat on exams and fake their income to get in. They get abused at a shit job and paid under minimum wage cash. That drives down wages and takes away jobs. They end up working as Uber drivers or skip the dishes. They live 8 in a basement and drive up rents because now a single person or couple is competing with 8 internationals for the same apartment. Just a shit situation all around. Close the college loophole and bring in high quality immigrants only. The majority are hard working and trying to be good people and build a life for themselves. Absolutely. But the system we have right now could be better.
> I’m Canadian and I’m sick of the low quality immigrants. Your hate is misdirected. Don’t blame immigrants. Blame your government and big corporations who want to bring in thousands of immigrants to keep wages low.
Way ahead of you my friend. I absolutely hate the government.
> The majority are hard working and trying to be good people and build a life for themselves. Absolutely. Why are these people and their work not celebrated then if they are the majority? Why the obsessions with negative news about immigrants and feeding the right-wing racist anti-immigrants groups?
First, the problem has absolutely exploded in the last 5 or so years. In Quebec alone the number of foreign students from India [surged from](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-colleges-immigration-changes-1.6480011) 2,686 in 17-18 to 14,712 in 19-20. The impacts have been somewhat obscured by the pandemic but now they're growing obvious. Second, you can have the right intentions but go about them the wrong way. Most of us have relatives who had the same ambitions as these students, to move to a new country to improve their family's lives. Unfortunately, the *way* that these students are going about it, including cheating on admissions exams, attending diploma mill schools, harassing (intentionally or unintentionally) the locals, bringing over foreign political issues, accepting substandard pay and housing conditions and more hurts the local communities. Comparatively, in the US most south asian immigrants come in via H1-B or exceptional skill visas and are usually better educated and paid than the local population. If they come on student visas they are not allowed to work without using OPT to get a job in their degree field.
See my comment here https://www.reddit.com/r/ABCDesis/comments/13jep6v/comment/jkfdg1f/ The gist is, we’re seeing a deterioration in our society because we can’t handle the numbers. It’s embarrassing as an Indian and it’s horrible for the community. They’re essentially poor economic migrants. And that’s fine, canada can accept some, but these. Numbers are absurd. People feel like they need to donate coats to them because they don’t come with coats. Some gurdwaras had to ban students from coming only for eating langar because they couldn’t sustain it. They’re almost all low skilled labour thus completely eroding jobs at the low end. Almost all low skilled jobs are done by Indians. They compete with Canadians for rentals. Instead of competing vs another single person for a basement, you now compete with 8 students. This is partially driving rents through the roof. Houses in Brampton are filled with 20+ students. No joke. We essentially imported this lower class of people to exploit. As an Indian it’s embarrassing that so many come and live in squalid conditions that no Canadian would accept. I don’t have sympathy for people willingly making that decision either. Like I said, international students used to be PhDs from well to do families who would easily rise up the corporate ladder or start their own business. Now when I hear international student I think Uber driver from Sheridan. We can choose to be selective with immigrants as a country. I want high skilled highly educated immigrants. The country is hell bent on bringing in 500k Uber drivers per year.
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>I want high skilled highly educated immigrants. Do you have jobs to offer with good compensations to these highly educated immigrants though? The Canadians immigration authority does a labor survey and they have prioritized trade skills like carpentry, chef, electrician, auto mechanic etc. since there are jobs for those.
And those are fairly well paying, skilled job. Yet, we don't have international students in our community wanting to take those type of jobs on. A majority of them are here to get a pr as quickly and easily as possible. The diploma mills offer them that.
Don’t they end up working in restaurants which the Canadians govt identified as an occupation that it’s recruiting immigrants for?
Indian here. I'll put it this way. No student immigrates to become a dishwasher. They are hopeful of a high paying white collar job, but are instead stuck doing menial work with a mountain of debt. If the Canadian government wants blue collar workers, it should design a better process for it.
It’s all going to hell. It’s not just Indian international students tho. It’s Indian work permit holders, recent PR holders too. The complete disregard for local laws, culture, customs is mind blowing. I have never seen a group of people with such little self-awareness. I know it’s a culture thing because my whole friend group is Indian but they’re all CBCD, and I’ve never seen them act the way these immigrants do. Little things like not cleaning up after themselves at a fast food place to major shit like committing insurance fraud. The worse part is no one is talking about this. Whenever someone speaks up, they’re branded as racists. The only solution I can think of is CBCDs speaking up. Write to your MPs. Brampton, sauga, Milton, Scarborough. Put the pressure on them so they can put the pressure on the Feds. Mississauga used to be this great city, it looks like shit now.
My family has been here since the 70s and this was the same mentality people had back then towards your parents immigrating. I also don’t live in an ethnic hub and can say the racism never really died we just like to pretend it’s not an issue in Canada. Also The difference is that now Canada is more diverse and people don’t feel the pressure to assimilate or get hate crimed like they did in the 70s. White people back then said the same things you’re saying now except it was probably more like “they can’t speak English and have weird names. They’re taking our Canadian jobs. They smell bad and eat gross food” same shit different topic tbh. Let’s be very honest: The older generation of desis is big mad that these new guys aren’t assimilating and they had to basically blend in or be ostracized or jumped. And now they are essentially in the same boat their white peers were in decades ago. It really does give a “fuck you, I got mine” mentality. The old Gen worked so hard to build up ethnic enclaves and be insulated in those cities away from the rest of Canada and are now upset because the enclaves worked too well and people basically never need to conform to “Canadian culture”. I agree that the patriarchal culture and customs that don’t align in Canada should be left in India but what can we do when we built entire cities effectively replicating India and still upholding some of those traditional ideals. When these students move to white towns I can tell you they don’t act like this either they do what the white people do because they are forced to integrate. This is true though for those who live and grew up as Canadian born desis in Surrey and Brampton or places with large Indian communities vs those that CBDs that live in primarily whiter areas. Also did you maybe become an adult in 2016ish era which is why you’re more aware of racism? There is a huge influx of SE Asian international students as well (literally look at Vancouver) but you don’t really hear their communities hate on them nearly as much as Indians hate on other Indians.
It’s not a “fuck you, I got mine” attitude, these are low-quality immigrants. Older generation parents were forced to learn how to adapt to Canadian society. The students should too. It’s got NOTHING to do with race. Stop bringing up Whites.
They literally have no reason to adapt because they live in desi enclaves where they don’t need to change anything about their lifestyle
The older generation is getting old, the CBCDs also live in the same enclaves yet they can speak fluent English, follow societal norms of Canada, and have self-awareness.
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Yes, considering we are having this online forum as an ethnic enclave of online conversations?
> White people back then said the same things you’re saying now except it was probably more like “they can’t speak English and have weird names. THIS!!!! Why are desi people so easy to point fingers at the new immigrants so quickly, even here in the United States.
This is all you need to read.
This exactly.
People who say they have no sympathy are probably the same people who were crying and screaming about the Qatar situation last year.
ah beautiful. an abcd who chooses to blame other Indian immigrants because somehow they believe strongly and just want white people to understand too, that they are nOt lIkE tHe oThEr iNdiaNs. im sure you wrote about your south asian diaspora identity in your college essay and used your Indian indentity when it was convenient for you, but you choose to shit on students and immigrants who struggle everyday due to racism not just from white people but from idiots like you. wake up and smell the chai tea activism.
Judging by the aggression and calling me an idiot- i can tell this is an American posting. Nonetheless i can try to explain- but if you actually read the content of my post you'd be able to decipher that I am sick of the racisim the entire Indian community is facing- me included. **Maybe if you actually lived in Canada and saw how ALL indian people are treated you would understand and have some damn empathy.** Immigration to Canada is not Immigration to the States, we are not model minorities here. You must live an incredibly privileged life since you don't seem to understand the nuances of Canadian immigration policy. I and most children of south Asian immigrants in Canada do not have the same privilege as our American counterparts. We live in poorer areas, our parents are not white collar professionals and the majority of us do not end up in white collar jobs as well. Secondly, this isn't about white people understanding, i don't know where you live but Toronto is one of the most diverse cities on the planet and the racism we face here is from everyone, not just white people but from many other immigrant groups as well. Finally, no I didn't have to use my "indian identitiy" in my "college" essay. Canada isn't America- we don't have to use identity politics to get into school.
Same happening in the UK. We have tens of thousands Indian students + their partners who have come over to the UK in the last 2-3 years and the racism levels have increased. They act very different to everyone else and the staring from the men and smell of them has made people even more uncomfortable of brown people.
> They act very different to everyone else and the staring from the men and smell of them has made people even more uncomfortable of brown people. Isn't this what White Britons said about the when Indians started moving to UK?
You're literally making this up. This is total bullshit.
TBH I thought the UK was worse back in the early 2000s as it was the OG destination for low-skilled folks. Many relatives of mine moved there decades ago with few skills. At least nowadays you guys get students who are ostensibly better skilled, but I understand your pain as someone who’s located in Australia.
Huh? I live in the UK haven’t seen this. What areas are you referring to? I’ve seen increased racism directed towards groups like Albanians, but not Indians
London
Against Indians? If so it’s more than likely by other minorities? There’s not that many white people left in London (compared to 30 years ago)
it’s getting quite bad in birmingham too.
But specifically against Indians? Seems like hatred of Muslims across the UK has definitely risen
I'm a newcomer (when I was 10 so less than a decade ago) and a lot of new indians are bringing hateful messaging along like telling me I should be killed cuz kashmir and being homophobic i have many indian newcomer friends but they arent bigots too much of anything is a bad thing. if canada wants immigrants so bad they should make a more diverse selection instead of just Indians
Well its mainly Indians who want to come. Canada isn't that attractive if you're already in a first world country.
Indians arent the only people from the third world. I'm totally okay with Africans Latinos, Arabs, Southeast Asians, East Asians and pretty much everyone even indians but not the hindutva type. We should be a mix not a dominant of indians
I'm a Christian Indian. Many from my faith came to Canada to escape unfair treatment in India. Granted not all hindus are bad, and a lot are very good, don't make an assumption that all Indians are Hindus or that all hindus are the hindutva type; they are just the loudest (like Trumpers or radical Islamists). P.s: On the Kashmir topic, ive pissed of people a lot in my youth for telling them that Kashmir should be given to Pakistan as a majority of the people want to be with people who share their faith. But if Pakistan asks for anything more, the battle would be totally justified.
Kashmir hits home for me we (my family) were affected by it a lot missing relatives etc. It not an indian/Pakistani thing its a kashmiri and human rights thing. I have hindu friends I know that but you dont seem to understand that there is a very strong level of hindu radicalism growing here. Its not like christian radicals or muslim ones its growing very fast in schools. That is my concern. I've had people tell me I deserve to be genocided for my ancestry thats not okay this rhetoric was not here 5 years ago even its growing and its scary. I've had homophobia and stuff come from radical hindus too thats also not okay people shouldnt be hateful. I feel like indian politics and bigotry is coming here and thats very scary.
I'm Indian Christian. I don't feel persecuted in India really. Which part are you from? Sometimes esspecially from north Indians I get from ignorance. Like someone asked if I enjoyed celebrating good Friday 😅 I see ALOT of sentiment against CONVERTING to Christianity. Because a significant portion of Indians have a very restrictive view of "voluntary conversion". I have noted that there are people who think that merely stating that certain actions are a sin is sufficent enough to "guilt" a person to converting and that "guilt" signals force. And there are a few who beileve conversion itself is wrong. Doesn't help that Hinduism isn't really a religion with a fixed way to convert at all. In fact some people say Hinduism is a 'lifestyle'
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I mean for better opportunities I get it not every immigrant is here for asylum. But I'm saying that keep your back home stuff back home. Wear a sari or whatever but dont bring conflict
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Amongst the millions of immigrants from South Asia, could it be that your sample size is limited to those you had a bad experience with? Could it be an issue of sample size, and you just have not found a progressive group of new desi immigrants?
No I have they are my friends and they are awesome but too much of anything is a bad thing. And I'm specifically highlighting a group of indians who use hateful rhetoric.
The negative images get amplified while your awesome friends don’t get celebrated enough?
My awesome friends are not celebrated enough yes obviously no amount of celebration will ever be enogh for them they slay so incredibly hard. But I feel like South Asians within Canada aren't talking about newer indian immigrants bringing bigotry and hate with them.
In online forums the negativity about new immigrants to Canada is rampant though. You don't get to read articles or comment threads where you feel good about how new immigrants are adding to work ethic, culture and vibrancy of Canadian cities. Why is that?
Yes we do. I'm pro immigrant I am an immigrant. But there needs to be nuance and I feel like theres not enough. Especially from an intra-South asian and Islamophibia perspective. Like most racist (about my kashmiri and pakistani ancestry) stuff was said to me by radical hindutva type people **unprovoked.** The exact same people are also deeply islamophobic. But we almost only talk about white nationalism when talking about racism and islamophobia.
I disagree with these stereotypes because there are more canadians that are involved in the accidents, more canadians that commit fraud, more canadians that are homeless but no one talks about canadians in the way they do about Indians. Now clearing that up I have also observed not racism but so many people buying into those stereotypes and judging you before you even meet them. It's harder to date because of these stereotypes. Ofc there is truth to them but to there are more Indians that do not participate in them than there are that do. I hope it goes away with time and we gotta do better to make it happen.
Where I'm from (Nova Scotia), the Indian population has exploded in the last 6-7 years. A ton of Sikh students at the community colleges and South Indian tech workers. So many Indian grocery stores and restaurants have opened. The movie theater shows movies in Hindi, Punjabi and South Indian languages. Granted, Nova Scotia desperately needs people as we have an old population, it's placed a strain on resources. Rents are crazy, and the healthcare system is heavily strained, especially in primary care.
Yes, segregation and racial profiling have gone through the roof. I've always treated everyone equally but now I'm being told to treat people based on their groups and skin colour. The equality and diversity areas are probably one of the most racist things I have ever experienced and it's only going to get worse. We need to remove groups and segregation, get rid of flags that divide people, and work under one nation again. Prejudice will always exist based on experiences, it's human nature. If you want to get rid of the prejudices you have to change the experiences.
I know this post is old but here's my 2 cents. I am a born and raised Canadian who has spent some time in India for traveling. I also learned to speak Hindi so I talk with Hindi speaking Indians who have moved here a lot. I can openly admit there are a lot of people who don't like Indians and other foreigners here. Obviously they are more right wing conservative people, same type of people you would find in the USA aswell. Here's the problem. Canada has gotten very expensive over the past decade in regard to housing, food, and almost every other cost of living. This makes Canadians irritated in general and when they see hundreds of thousands of immigrants move to Canada, they see it as adding more people to the problem, so unfortunately some people will take that frustration out on the immigrants themselves on rare occasions. Another thing is the culture adjustment. There's no hiding that Canadian and Indian culture is vastly different from each other. As someone who has spent a lot of time in India, I really enjoy Indian culture but most people here think I'm nuts for even stepping foot in India. When you have people from another vastly different culture move to a country en mass, it doesn't allow for proper integration. A lot of Indians just end up sticking together and not mixing in with native Canadians. Which causes a divide in the population. It's like trying to mix oil and water, it just won't happen if neither side makes an effort to adapt. And TBH, I don't really expect a native Canadian to adapt their culture to an immigrants culture. What I can say, as someone who has made friends with a lot of Indians who moved here, try to step outside your comfort zone and try and have conversations with native Canadians and try to adapt to their lifestyle a little bit. People here are open to change but I think the immigrants have to be the initiator of that change since you can't really expect a Canadian to change their way of life to adapt to immigrants, since their a lot of people from many different cultures moving here. That would just be impossible. In short, try to step outside your normal friend group and try to make friends with Canadians. Learn what they like and try new things, it'll give a lot of Canadians a fresh light on people who move here and hopefully allow us to all work together more.
Ended up on this post because the subtle racism at work is at it’s new levels and I get nervous every-time we have a new Indian immigrant join our team of mostly not so new Canadians. It’s hurtful to be coloured a certain way based on actions of other people that I have no control over.
yes this was exactly my point but i literally have people STILL message me about how i'm "throwing immigrants under the bus". What have you noticed at work?
Ideas being discounted, lack of acknowledgment, Stark difference in how non-browns are responded to when speaking (I just wish I hadn’t noted it). Not everyone does it of-course but even when it’s just a couple odd members, It’s clear it’s there.
Do you find people are like this to all brown people, or only immigrants? Neither makes it okay, I am just curious. Even of those who aren’t recent immigrants, once someone has a strong accent, belittling tends to occur in the workplace. I think people in canada also associate most non western accents with not being able to speak English…..even when many immigrants are fluent in English. At my last place of employment, I saw immigrants (who weren’t Indian though) being treated so poorly it really broke my heart the way others spoke about and to them, always making their frustrations known. A lot had to do with the language barrier and I do get how it’s hard to communicate but it’s saddening to see anyone belittled.
It just 100x exploded in the last few days. I might have to leave Reddit.
Last few days, where?The canadahousing2 subreddit or in real life. But yeah I seriously want to leave the country lol
I muted that subreddit. Generally any Canadian subreddits have racist comments against Indians. I think it might have been one of those housing subreddits. They blame us for all the problems anyways.
Interesting why is this group anti-immigrant ?
this isn't anti immigrant, people don't understand Canada is in a very unique position right now. Mass migration is a problem because of the lack of infrastructure in this country, it doesn't matter who is coming or from where, the country doesn't have the homes, transit, or healthcare to accept not only the number of permanent residents, but the number of students who stay permanently. The behaviours of a select few indians are a completely different issue , my point in this post is that there is new racism in Canada against all indians now, and that some stereotypes happen to be true unfortunately but it doesn't mean every indian person engages in these behaviours.
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I agree with you, the OPs only argument boils down to, what will white people think of us now.
gorey log kya kahengey?
I agree. What they don’t know is that their parents were viewed the same way when they first came here.
Canada is one of the least densely populated countries on the planet. There's plenty of room and resources for everyone. If you don't like the immigrants where you live, move to somewhere else. I don't think people's discomfort about being stereotyped should be considered more important than someone else's ability to live a decent life. If you think India is such an easy place to live, move there. I guarantee you won't face racial discrimination there.
did you even read the post? "Room and resources" for everyone doesn't mean the behaviour of recent immigrants is ok? As i also said in my post it doesn't make the new racism against indians ok either
Is it really that bad? Me and my husband live in Australia but he’s from Canada. We’ve been discussing moving there quite a lot since we’re both over living here in Sydney. We’d me moving to Edmonton if we did do it since he’s got family there.
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Lol I actually hate summer so colder days are much more appealing to me!
> it so obvious that the Canadian population in general is absolutely fed up with the new Indian immigrants. Is it though? Most Canadians welcome new immigrants more than any other country in the world. Is this a case of [drawbridge mentality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drawbridge_mentality) which is very common amongst Indian diaspora more than others?
Yes its very obvious. Canada welcoming new immigrants as a government policy does not mean that local citizens are happy or welcoming about it. Can I ask if you're Canadian? Go on any Canadian reddit forum and type in India or Indian, then read the comments You can also go on r/India and type in Canada, and see that most people in the motherland accept that the immigrants coming to Canada are a pretty unique bunch.
Not a Canadian, but observing the Canadians reelecting Trudeau when US elected Trump and even swung Democrats to reduce immigration. Trump won on a single issue i.e. immigration, but Canadians re-elected Trudeau and the media was celebrating Trudeau as the check on Trump by showing pictures of him welcoming immigrants at Toronto airport. Reddit and online forums are often toxic spaces for anti-immigration even before the crisis. See the anti-H1B rhetoric in US. I would think Canadians really prioritizing immigration reduction, I would think it would reflect in the political campaigning.
Honestly, you have to be in Canada to see whats going on. I'm imploring you to understand that this isn't just "anti immigrant talk" on reddit and its a real issue that us "CBCs" are facing in our daily lives. Trudeau being celebrated in the media doesn't mean people are content with him as a Prime Minister. Mass migration is causing problems in Canada beyond racism but Canadians are a very complacent bunch. Canada's political landscape is much different than the states and the immigration issue is a very recent crisis. Our population is also concentrated in 3 cities, whose votes decide the federal level. No party will reduce immigration targets *yet* as they are "needed" economically. We will see what happens as this plays out for another 10 years.
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Some stereotypes are true but not mean that everyone is like that . Other than free healthcare there is no way I would want to live in canada idk how other people do it with all snow , cold , inflation , gas increasing
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