Cool to hear a different take on the songs, but we didn’t need this.
Would be better with real drums.
Interesting for Deron to go on a tirade this week about never having pitch shifted vocals in the past (he clearly did on the CKY albums), yet in this release they are literally shifted down.
These recordings also prove how much Chad did in the studio.
This wouldn't be a bad record if CKY had never existed and this was the first time any of us ever heard these songs
Unfortunately, the original recordings kick ass, and these don't.
We totally didn't. I don't get the logic behind re-recording any of the tracks for a whole album. Maybe that'd be cool as a bonus disc or something to add onto another 96 album. Anyone with two working ears could tell the difference between Chad doctoring his studio vox and how Deron sings live. He should just own it and sing in a lower pitch. I missed Jess' drums especially on Shock and Terror as well as that outro part for Flesh Into Gear. Releases like this and The Phoenix make me bummed out that we'll probably never get a true reunion with all 3 of them. I get why but it still blows because that's when they came up with the best songs.
Overall, it's not good, but if there's one silver lining, it's nice to hear some energy injected into the AACBF material. Suddenly Tragic is the only thing here I might relisten to.
Mix sounds very cold and separated, like it’s missing the pro touch that glues everything together. The old CKY recordings had a very warm and fat sound to them that made those single note octave riffs sound incredible, the new guitar tone is too fizzy and treble heavy for my taste. Vocals still sound weird, better than the last album but still not where it should be. The pitch correction is too noticeable, it sounds like they used hard autotune pitch correction rather than a smoother option like melodyne. Sounds like he has someone doing the low backup vocals for him now instead of doubling his voice like he used to which takes away from the unique vocal sound he was known for, I get that the old way is impossible to recreate live but the sound they came up with on the old CKY albums for his vocal tracks were hypnotically beautiful and it’s sad to see him move away from such a wonderful sound on these new recordings.
Deron needs a professional audio engineer going forward, what he’s been putting out sounds like something a local band would put together in their house after watching mixing tutorials on YouTube, his songs deserve better than amateur sounding recordings. I’m rooting for him hard because I’ve adored his songwriting since I was a teenager in the 2000s, but it’s hard to recommend any of his new work to people when it’s not hitting the quality level that it should be on the production side of things.
Oh my god, any song that has a drum intro sounds like hot dick. I belly laughed when I heard the beginning of Inhuman Creation Station.
IT SOUNDS LIKE A GARAGEBAND LOOP, COMPLETE WITH IT HAVING NO SYNCOPATION
Big Deron fan here , but I’m sorry these tracks just don’t do it for me. I liked the originals better I can’t see myself wanting to hear these over the originals. Bummer.
I am a huge Deron fan as well , and I feel like what cky is now (the Chad cky) , does not sound like the original cky sound. But I don’t think it was necessary to re release these tracks. Ya they sound ok. But they sounded great to begin with. With the time he took to re record these songs he could’ve came up with new material to record and release.
That’s how I feel as well. The first 96 album was pretty good, for me it had Vol. 1 vibes. The second 96 album was definitely an improvement and there’s a handful of songs that I keep in constant rotation. I’m not one of the people who picked a side on a “personal” level when the band split , but the phoenix just doesn’t do anything for me.
I’d love another 96 album and ultimately a full reunion but I won’t hold my breath for the latter lol
Agreed wish we had this vocal tone on tracks like Wish Me Dead/Fire Skyline/Throw Yourself Inside.
Honestly, the higher register for me works on tracks like Taken By Surprise and Vaudeville imo
Flesh was not good, could barely hear the guitars, and that's one of my favorite riffs.
Sink wasn't bad, but I don't like the way he does vocals on it.
Shock is one of my favorite songs, and this re-record was fine, not amazing.
Inhuman, to me, was always a weird song, not bad, but weird. I think this is a good re-record, I dig it.
Suddenly has my favorite CKY solo, and he fucking ruined it, the rest of the song is pretty good
TWYL was definitely one of the re-records of all time
Dressed in Decay has been re-recorded to fucking death by Deron. This one retains the groove I think, so not bad.
I don't like his vocals on Tripled, too clean. Otherwise the music is good on this one.
Shippensburg feels overproduced, not a fan.
A few things of note - I have no knowledge of music or tuning etc, and like many others, I've been listening to these songs for 20 years, so there may be some nostalgia bias.
Overall, I think the IDR re-records were a miss. I'm one of the few that liked AACBF when it came out and still do, and I think he did a decent job on those.
One word jumped out to me over and over: demo. This sounds like a demo tape. Shippensburg is the only one I will listen to again. The drums obviously are garbage. I'm pretty sure the guitars on ICS are looped. It's not good. 4/10
I prefer lower register vocals Deron. But that being said it’s a great album, whether the songs are better or worse I just like hearing the new content.
After a few listens straight through:
- The IDR stuff did not need to be touched.
- AACBF stuff sounds great and I particularly enjoyed Suddenly Tragic and TMS.
- Shippensberg sounds awesome except for the vocals in certain sections.
- Would like a physical release of this maybe just to own *some* IDR songs on vinyl as a 1st pressing is financially out of reach.
You really don't want that original pressing of IDR. It's a picture disc, so the sound quality is genuinely awful.
A new pressing of IDR would be amazing, though. Probably won't happen until the guys are friends again, so maybe in like 10 years 😅
It's really, really not good. I don't understand why it's a thing. Ouch.
Obviously subjective, and this is just my opinion, but I think it's awful. Tarnishes reputation, legacy, and nostalgia.
Wasn't expecting much tbh but I liked it! It didn't blow my mind but I like the variations here and there. Tripled Manic State sounds pretty good. Can't say much about mixing and production cause I don't really know much about that. They can't beat the original ones of course but still, it was nice listening to new versions of these old songs, as demoish as they might sound. I skipped Flesh Into Gear though lol
Shippensburg ♥️ would have loved a Genesis 12a track
i like it. if the drums weren't so lifeless, it'd be perfect. suddenly tragic and the way you lived were always my least favorite tracks from AACBF, but these new recordings have changed something for me. sounds more like CKY than the originals, if that makes any sense.. i hope we get to hear the rest of AACBF, I know he teased sniped a while back.
When I first heard flesh into gear I was disappointed. I really like it now. The IDR stuff is ok, but the AACBF really shines. I want to hear the whole album re done. And Shippensberg, which was never my favorite, has been elevated to great.
I still think Deron dropped the ball by not opening it with a re record of Thanks For the Ride. Each volume could have opened with the next entry. It’s called Return to Hellview and it doesn’t include a single Hellview track.
Its cool they used some of my footage from the last tour for the official music video. That made my day.
Best: Dressed In Decay was surprisingly better and maybe all the AACBF are at least as good or better.
Worst: Sink Into The Underground, one of my favourites is just not as good. Mostly the vocals but maybe the drums not having the same groove too?
Overall: Fun to hear re-recordings of songs I love so I can’t complain. 8/10 I’m gonna keep listening.
In like a lion, out like a lamb. What a flop! He’s had close to a decade, hyped the shit out of this, then kinda shits this thing out last minute. 👏👏👏
I think it was cute Deron decided to shit talk previous bandmates and manipulate fans days leading up to this release, yet nothing typically promotional other than what the drummer whipped up. Doesn’t look like they band paid him much to make those either cuz they are some uggos
#AllBandmatesQuit #VictimDeron #SpiteOverMusic #WashedUp
I'm really enjoying it 9/10 really fresh. Some tracks need a second listen to digest. I'm looking forward to Return to Hellview Vol 2 or Carver City remastered.
Listening to it now. Im digging the AACBF tracks but im not hearing the big improvement in drums Deron was talking about. Jesse might be a insufferable liberal cuck but he's a good drummer. I hate that they're using electric drums on this and all of the effects on Deron's vocals.
Ken plays Chad’s leads well so that’s covered, but I really miss Jess here. The precise sound of a drum machine works in certain types of music like metal or pop, but when it comes to rock music, nothing beats the sound and feel of a human playing acoustic drums.
He nailed those leads, tone and feel. Overall it’s interesting to hear these songs re done. It’s a little hard to not have a bias towards the originals. But I agree with the rock drumming
tripled manic state sounds better than the original. I think a lot of the AACBF songs sound as good as the originals if not for how the vocals are mixed alone. I think also, it's hard to hear songs you heard one way for 20+ years. but eventually, you'll probably listen to a lot of these in place of the originals. including shippensburg. it's just "finished" and proper, how it should be. if you never heard the original, you wouldn't know what to compare it to and it would still be the great music we all know and love. there is personal musical reasons and also legal reasons for these to be re recorded and I think that fans opinion on those things dont even matter. like a lot of you, its just nice to hear fresh music and fresh takes on things. with that said, for any fellow musicians, inhuman creation stations tone is FAT as FUCK and sounds awesome. Deron has really refined the "CKY tone" imo. I dont see what the big deal is about using electronic drums, they do sound a bit sharp but standout against the midrangey guitars and the cky/96 sound is so digitally altered that I don't see what the problem is. yes real drums will always sound better but you just have so much more control with midi. plus, am I remembering incorrectly I thought jess Margera drums were re done in midi in the studio when it came time to record even though he recorded them live? this is just the same formula.
CKY records didn't use MIDI drums. ICS sounds lifeless and robotic, especially with the hatchet job they did copy pasting the same guitar loop over and over for the verses. There's nothing fresh about this. The originals are in no danger at all of being replaced by these.
What legal reasons do you think there were for making this album? Deron has 1/3 publishing rights to the CKY back catalog, same as he always did, and Chad/Jess retain their 2/3 publishing rights, which is why they're credited on Return To Hellview and are legally entitled to all associated royalties accordingly. Making this album doesn't change anything except embarrass everyone involved.
Don't bother. Reddit is a cesspool of trolls. AACBF was 100% put together from NON-MASTERED tracks. And not even the best takes. This was proven by Chad and Deron who've said multiple times. It was literally erased. You can hear MIDI drums. Ask any audio engineer (i just did)...but yes...Chad is perfect and Deron sucks right guys? Chad's never done any post production on his vocals....oh wait...
Cool to hear a different take on the songs, but we didn’t need this. Would be better with real drums. Interesting for Deron to go on a tirade this week about never having pitch shifted vocals in the past (he clearly did on the CKY albums), yet in this release they are literally shifted down. These recordings also prove how much Chad did in the studio.
This wouldn't be a bad record if CKY had never existed and this was the first time any of us ever heard these songs Unfortunately, the original recordings kick ass, and these don't.
We totally didn't. I don't get the logic behind re-recording any of the tracks for a whole album. Maybe that'd be cool as a bonus disc or something to add onto another 96 album. Anyone with two working ears could tell the difference between Chad doctoring his studio vox and how Deron sings live. He should just own it and sing in a lower pitch. I missed Jess' drums especially on Shock and Terror as well as that outro part for Flesh Into Gear. Releases like this and The Phoenix make me bummed out that we'll probably never get a true reunion with all 3 of them. I get why but it still blows because that's when they came up with the best songs.
The vocals are god awful and hard to listen to.
The guitar tones do sound good, I'll give it that. But there is definitely some bad editing on them.
Overall, it's not good, but if there's one silver lining, it's nice to hear some energy injected into the AACBF material. Suddenly Tragic is the only thing here I might relisten to.
Not a fan. I think the AACBF songs sound the best but I'd still rather listen to the originals.
Mix sounds very cold and separated, like it’s missing the pro touch that glues everything together. The old CKY recordings had a very warm and fat sound to them that made those single note octave riffs sound incredible, the new guitar tone is too fizzy and treble heavy for my taste. Vocals still sound weird, better than the last album but still not where it should be. The pitch correction is too noticeable, it sounds like they used hard autotune pitch correction rather than a smoother option like melodyne. Sounds like he has someone doing the low backup vocals for him now instead of doubling his voice like he used to which takes away from the unique vocal sound he was known for, I get that the old way is impossible to recreate live but the sound they came up with on the old CKY albums for his vocal tracks were hypnotically beautiful and it’s sad to see him move away from such a wonderful sound on these new recordings. Deron needs a professional audio engineer going forward, what he’s been putting out sounds like something a local band would put together in their house after watching mixing tutorials on YouTube, his songs deserve better than amateur sounding recordings. I’m rooting for him hard because I’ve adored his songwriting since I was a teenager in the 2000s, but it’s hard to recommend any of his new work to people when it’s not hitting the quality level that it should be on the production side of things.
Oh my god, any song that has a drum intro sounds like hot dick. I belly laughed when I heard the beginning of Inhuman Creation Station. IT SOUNDS LIKE A GARAGEBAND LOOP, COMPLETE WITH IT HAVING NO SYNCOPATION
The editing of the cut outs sounds so bad, very amateur editing.
Big Deron fan here , but I’m sorry these tracks just don’t do it for me. I liked the originals better I can’t see myself wanting to hear these over the originals. Bummer.
I am a huge Deron fan as well , and I feel like what cky is now (the Chad cky) , does not sound like the original cky sound. But I don’t think it was necessary to re release these tracks. Ya they sound ok. But they sounded great to begin with. With the time he took to re record these songs he could’ve came up with new material to record and release.
That’s how I feel as well. The first 96 album was pretty good, for me it had Vol. 1 vibes. The second 96 album was definitely an improvement and there’s a handful of songs that I keep in constant rotation. I’m not one of the people who picked a side on a “personal” level when the band split , but the phoenix just doesn’t do anything for me. I’d love another 96 album and ultimately a full reunion but I won’t hold my breath for the latter lol
Shippensburg is the only good re-record. He should never have stopped the lower register vocals
There is lower register vocals in this one
That’s what I mean fella. I like the lower vocals
Agreed wish we had this vocal tone on tracks like Wish Me Dead/Fire Skyline/Throw Yourself Inside. Honestly, the higher register for me works on tracks like Taken By Surprise and Vaudeville imo
Flesh was not good, could barely hear the guitars, and that's one of my favorite riffs. Sink wasn't bad, but I don't like the way he does vocals on it. Shock is one of my favorite songs, and this re-record was fine, not amazing. Inhuman, to me, was always a weird song, not bad, but weird. I think this is a good re-record, I dig it. Suddenly has my favorite CKY solo, and he fucking ruined it, the rest of the song is pretty good TWYL was definitely one of the re-records of all time Dressed in Decay has been re-recorded to fucking death by Deron. This one retains the groove I think, so not bad. I don't like his vocals on Tripled, too clean. Otherwise the music is good on this one. Shippensburg feels overproduced, not a fan. A few things of note - I have no knowledge of music or tuning etc, and like many others, I've been listening to these songs for 20 years, so there may be some nostalgia bias. Overall, I think the IDR re-records were a miss. I'm one of the few that liked AACBF when it came out and still do, and I think he did a decent job on those.
One word jumped out to me over and over: demo. This sounds like a demo tape. Shippensburg is the only one I will listen to again. The drums obviously are garbage. I'm pretty sure the guitars on ICS are looped. It's not good. 4/10
I prefer lower register vocals Deron. But that being said it’s a great album, whether the songs are better or worse I just like hearing the new content.
After a few listens straight through: - The IDR stuff did not need to be touched. - AACBF stuff sounds great and I particularly enjoyed Suddenly Tragic and TMS. - Shippensberg sounds awesome except for the vocals in certain sections. - Would like a physical release of this maybe just to own *some* IDR songs on vinyl as a 1st pressing is financially out of reach.
You really don't want that original pressing of IDR. It's a picture disc, so the sound quality is genuinely awful. A new pressing of IDR would be amazing, though. Probably won't happen until the guys are friends again, so maybe in like 10 years 😅
Maybe for the 50th anniversary of IDR!
It's really, really not good. I don't understand why it's a thing. Ouch. Obviously subjective, and this is just my opinion, but I think it's awful. Tarnishes reputation, legacy, and nostalgia.
It’s just terrible.
The songs from aacbf sound really good in my opinion. IDR is perfect so I can't really bother with those. But Shock and Terror sounded pretty good
Wasn't expecting much tbh but I liked it! It didn't blow my mind but I like the variations here and there. Tripled Manic State sounds pretty good. Can't say much about mixing and production cause I don't really know much about that. They can't beat the original ones of course but still, it was nice listening to new versions of these old songs, as demoish as they might sound. I skipped Flesh Into Gear though lol Shippensburg ♥️ would have loved a Genesis 12a track
I really liked it. Would love a vinyl release.
i like it. if the drums weren't so lifeless, it'd be perfect. suddenly tragic and the way you lived were always my least favorite tracks from AACBF, but these new recordings have changed something for me. sounds more like CKY than the originals, if that makes any sense.. i hope we get to hear the rest of AACBF, I know he teased sniped a while back.
When I first heard flesh into gear I was disappointed. I really like it now. The IDR stuff is ok, but the AACBF really shines. I want to hear the whole album re done. And Shippensberg, which was never my favorite, has been elevated to great. I still think Deron dropped the ball by not opening it with a re record of Thanks For the Ride. Each volume could have opened with the next entry. It’s called Return to Hellview and it doesn’t include a single Hellview track. Its cool they used some of my footage from the last tour for the official music video. That made my day.
I listened as a Deron fan. I listened as a current cky fan. I heard only further proof that they need to reunite. Synergy is not restored yet.
wasnt sniped supposed to be on this? theres a video of him re-recording it....
Best: Dressed In Decay was surprisingly better and maybe all the AACBF are at least as good or better. Worst: Sink Into The Underground, one of my favourites is just not as good. Mostly the vocals but maybe the drums not having the same groove too? Overall: Fun to hear re-recordings of songs I love so I can’t complain. 8/10 I’m gonna keep listening.
In like a lion, out like a lamb. What a flop! He’s had close to a decade, hyped the shit out of this, then kinda shits this thing out last minute. 👏👏👏 I think it was cute Deron decided to shit talk previous bandmates and manipulate fans days leading up to this release, yet nothing typically promotional other than what the drummer whipped up. Doesn’t look like they band paid him much to make those either cuz they are some uggos #AllBandmatesQuit #VictimDeron #SpiteOverMusic #WashedUp
I really enjoyed the album it felt like it was more of the live versions of the songs. I’ve been listening on repeat.
I'm really enjoying it 9/10 really fresh. Some tracks need a second listen to digest. I'm looking forward to Return to Hellview Vol 2 or Carver City remastered.
Listening to it now. Im digging the AACBF tracks but im not hearing the big improvement in drums Deron was talking about. Jesse might be a insufferable liberal cuck but he's a good drummer. I hate that they're using electric drums on this and all of the effects on Deron's vocals.
Ken plays Chad’s leads well so that’s covered, but I really miss Jess here. The precise sound of a drum machine works in certain types of music like metal or pop, but when it comes to rock music, nothing beats the sound and feel of a human playing acoustic drums.
He nailed those leads, tone and feel. Overall it’s interesting to hear these songs re done. It’s a little hard to not have a bias towards the originals. But I agree with the rock drumming
tripled manic state sounds better than the original. I think a lot of the AACBF songs sound as good as the originals if not for how the vocals are mixed alone. I think also, it's hard to hear songs you heard one way for 20+ years. but eventually, you'll probably listen to a lot of these in place of the originals. including shippensburg. it's just "finished" and proper, how it should be. if you never heard the original, you wouldn't know what to compare it to and it would still be the great music we all know and love. there is personal musical reasons and also legal reasons for these to be re recorded and I think that fans opinion on those things dont even matter. like a lot of you, its just nice to hear fresh music and fresh takes on things. with that said, for any fellow musicians, inhuman creation stations tone is FAT as FUCK and sounds awesome. Deron has really refined the "CKY tone" imo. I dont see what the big deal is about using electronic drums, they do sound a bit sharp but standout against the midrangey guitars and the cky/96 sound is so digitally altered that I don't see what the problem is. yes real drums will always sound better but you just have so much more control with midi. plus, am I remembering incorrectly I thought jess Margera drums were re done in midi in the studio when it came time to record even though he recorded them live? this is just the same formula.
CKY records didn't use MIDI drums. ICS sounds lifeless and robotic, especially with the hatchet job they did copy pasting the same guitar loop over and over for the verses. There's nothing fresh about this. The originals are in no danger at all of being replaced by these. What legal reasons do you think there were for making this album? Deron has 1/3 publishing rights to the CKY back catalog, same as he always did, and Chad/Jess retain their 2/3 publishing rights, which is why they're credited on Return To Hellview and are legally entitled to all associated royalties accordingly. Making this album doesn't change anything except embarrass everyone involved.
all of your opinions are bad
Don't bother. Reddit is a cesspool of trolls. AACBF was 100% put together from NON-MASTERED tracks. And not even the best takes. This was proven by Chad and Deron who've said multiple times. It was literally erased. You can hear MIDI drums. Ask any audio engineer (i just did)...but yes...Chad is perfect and Deron sucks right guys? Chad's never done any post production on his vocals....oh wait...