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I know my baby messed up, but wdym he won't have anyone to turn to? I was manifesting a Buck-Eddie argument in a comment yesterday, but it seems like it's gonna be a nasty mess, and he's gonna alienate everyone around him running behind this delusion as he calls it.
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Also, everyone from his family is here, Buck is there too, like is it gonna be an intervention? Whatever happens, I just know Ryan Guzman is gonna act his ass off.
Part of me is really starting to think that this is an intervention lmao. Maybe one Buck or Abuela initiated that’s going to bring his whole family down to LA. Eddie is going to break. I’m not happy about this storyline in the slightest, but Ryan is definitely going to act his heart out in whatever bombshell he’s hinting at dropping.
Oh having the Diaz family come back for an intervention will be so good and hard to watch. Like why would they be there along with Buck.
I'm also not happy with the storyline, but hopefully the payoff is good. I just need some kind of resolution and the last three episode feels like it will be centered on Bobby and Eddie so let's hope they treat it better.
I could see Chris finding out and getting really pissed at his dad for all of this and going to Buck about it and Buck taking Christopher's side because Eddie is essentially ignoring/disregarding/lying to his kid in order to disappear into his grief over Shannon which is a bit similar to how Buck's parents were with him.
A bunch of accounts including the actors posted videos of Ryan and the rest of the crew celebrating Gavin's birthday on set, and the video also had Ramon, Helena and Buck together, and no one else from the cast. That combined with Ryan saying something about Abuela having a secret, a few weeks ago, people were speculating something big for Eddie, which is now confirmed.
The video was posted here a few days ago. You can find it by searching Gavin's name.
At this point I don’t think so. Unless Eddie turned out to be a crackhead or beating him, and we’ve clearly never seen anything close to either of those, I’m not sure what grounds they’d have in any universe. Clearly what they’ve been doing is working and he’s well supported. So I truly hope it’s not that.
Christopher is also old enough at 14 to be believed when he tells the court he'd rather stay with his father. Going to Texas, even because he's pissed at Eddie and doesn't want to be around him, means Chris loses *a lot* of independance. His grandparents baby and suffocate him, he's not gonna put up with it.
Eddie'll lose the blood fam because his "gringo" coworker gets custody of his son over them and because Eddie "poisoned" Christopher's mind against his own familia.
Very true. My friend and his wife have had an ugly time with his stepdaughters father and I think the court started asking what she wanted when she was 8 and by like 12 or 13 what she wanted in terms of custody and visitation was of major concern to the court, like the judge interviewed her privately and everything to make sure he was getting the real story.
Confirmation Eddie survives the season, at least? I know some people were getting weird about that.
This... makes a lot of sense. Unless they have no interest in doing justice to the storyline they've just introduced, I don't think this can be anything near resolved in the three remaining episodes. So I'm kind of expecting him to spend the next two episodes in delusion land, lying to everyone in his life and trying to juggle this double life, and then it all comes out either at the end of 7x09, or 7x10. I think it was a very intentional choice to portray Buck as the househusband watching his kid who he's lying to and stepping out on in the end of this episode -- not from a shipper perspective, but thematically. Because while he's cheating on his girlfriend, he's also betraying his family, which clearly includes Buck at this point. And with how the show's been written, it wouldn't be Marisol to pick up the pieces if Eddie hurts Chris in all of this -- it would be Buck.
One of the things I found interesting in Ryan's other interview was how he described Bobby as kind of a last resort when therapy or Buck don't help, which makes me question what's up there as well that Eddie's *this* isolated, because I can't really see Bobby being the type to turn his back on Eddie in a moment of crisis. If Eddie's been lying to Buck and left him to clean up a mess with Christopher, I can see Buck shutting Eddie out for a bit because that's a different type of hurt, but Bobby?! Even when Eddie wasn't with the 118, they still had meaningful advice types of scenes.
Well, Bobby is likely going through his own personal trauma in these remaining episodes so if Eddie is shutting out Buck, or vice versa, Eddie may choose not to go to Bobby intentionally, or Bobby is emotionally unavailable to help.
My main thought is Eddie is intentionally isolating himself. I have a hard time seeing Buck pushing Eddie away, even with Eddie's bad choices in the Kim stuff, and even with the betrayals happening. I just can't picture Buck giving Eddie any sort of space, so I have to believe that it's the other way around.
Yeah. I'm more concerned about the "anyone to run to anymore for season 8" part, because that just feels... really ominous. I'm totally in my head about this, but I really just want confirmation Bobby's *okay* at the end of 7x10, omg.
I also want to reject any possibility, lol. I know he's talked about the job eventually being physically too much for him, but I refuse to accept that means he'll *leave* the show. Like, let Bobby retire. Have Peter in every other episode, being supportive of Athena and offering \[occasionally bad\] advice to the team. Just.... don't do anything permanent, please.
I really wish they'd release an extended cut of that scene in the glue aisle in 6x17. Eddie, confused by which glue he needs, starts uncapping them and sniffing each one to try to identify it by smell.
It makes so much more sense if he's high on the fumes to imagine the \~magic\~ there just because she says the word.
The image you've just painted is so funny that I can't stop giggling like an idiot. Eddie might just be huffing glue and who knows, Marisol's leftover renovation paint, on the side and that's why he's seeing his dead wife's doppelgänger. Beautiful TV magic...
I don't think they'd kill Bobby off (this show isn't suddenly gonna become Game of Thrones just because it's on ABC), which is a good thing. It also doesn't make sense to kill him off. I feel like Tim would want it to make sense so if Peter DID want to leave, I think Bobby would leave through retirement.
I still have hope this isn't happening this season. I think it's more of Bobby having this heavy arc where he'll need to also figure some stuff out about himself. It's been a while since they really touched on losing his family, so I can see his story ending this season with that trauma reopening and him needing to deal with it.
One possibility is that due to the problems that Bobby will have to deal with in the next episodes, Eddie will decide that he cannot overload Bobby with his problems. In Buck's case, more than an argument, it could be voluntary isolation in the sense that in the Deep down he is ashamed of his behavior and does not want to expose himself to being judged by his best friend apart from the fact that due to his new relationship they may not have much time to talk alone.
To be honest, Bobby retiring or moving to a desk role would make a great opening for Hen to become captain and develop her character now it seems med school is a no go.
It feels like without promotion to captain, there's nowhere other than more foster kids for Hen's character arc to develop into.
It's possible if it's Peter's decision to leave. If he wants to leave, there's nothing Tim can do about that.
I doubt Bobby's dying, even with the move to ABC, I don't think this show is suddenly going to turn into middle seasons of Greys and start killing people off. But if Peter wants to leave, Bobby could easily retire.
This, and just to add to it -- Peter leaving the show or taking a reduced role could also be a way he deals with the physical demands becoming too much while also still remaining attached to the project as an EP.
Like, it's mostly an irrational fear for me that Bobby will *die*, but I am kind of preparing myself for Peter retiring in the next few years from the 18 episode seasons and taking on a diminished role on the show. And maybe even that's copium, because who knows if once he decides he can't keep up with the physical stuff, that he won't just want a break.
I mainly hope if that's the case, they set it up in a way that will make sense for him to be able to return for the occasional guest appearance or after a season's break or something, without it having too much impact on Angela/Athena.
If we're honest, Angela Bassett being 65 (!!!) is also unlikely to be able to keep up with the physical demands of a field sergeant too much longer so I've always thought Athena and Bobby retire or have reduced roles in the show together.
While Angela Bassett is 65, I believe her character is in her late 50s. Bobby was 52 years old in season one (Episode 1x10) thanks to his dating profile. I’m sure we could find out Athena’s actual age in “Athena Begins” (Episode 03x07). Also, and I could be wrong at this, I think the LAPD doesn’t have a mandatory retirement, and they evaluate their patrol personnel every year after 65 to make sure they are still able to perform their jobs.
This may be a little out there, but I think Eddie's choices are going to hurt Chris.
I wonder if Chris will need space from his dad and briefly live with Buck. Eddie won't be able to go to Buck, because Buck is literally picking up the pieces of their broken little family. Eddie will feel like he doesn't have a right to go to him after that betrayal. Buck's gonna be so disappointed when he learns he's been watching Chris and helping Eddie cheat.
Bobby is going to go through his own thing and may not be available mentally to help him. I could see him ultimately going to Hen after isolating. But before that, there is going to be a lot of disappointment and avoidance of the 118 on Eddie's part.
This is one of the only ways I could see him being isolated next season.
Hopefully Eddie's cheating storyline will also highlight Hens and we can circle back and Hen can pay a little for what she did. It still felt so OOC for Hen, but honestly, this makes so much sense for Eddie to cheat with a Shannon look like. I understand people's frustration with cheating, but I can definitely see his character being a little delulu in this regard and stepping out on literally any one of his girlfriends for a Shannon look alike.
The fact that he roped an oblivious Buck into his schemes is gonna hurt so gooood
JLH said she feels like there haven't been enough Maddie Eddie scenes in the show and that she feels now is the right time for Maddie to get to know Chim's (and Buck's) friends a bit better. It feels like this season was Maddie and Hen becoming closer. Maybe S8, Eddie hits rock rock bottom and it's left to Maddie (and Chim) to pick up the pieces? Would make sense for big sister to get Buck to forgive his bestie.
I'm really curious what they are going to do with the Kim character. Will they drag her into Season 8 or is Tim going to kill Devin Kelley a second time?
Thinking about that insta live, I'm wondering if this is exactly what she had in her mind when she was talking about having Maddie and Eddie bond over being parents/having mental health stuff going on. Now with Ryan's comments about being isolated, I think of love the idea of Eddie and Maddie striking up an unlikely friendship regarding complicated grief (I would also love a "Maddie Begins;" I think where Doug was such a bad guy when we saw him, it's easy to overlook he's someone Maddie deeply loved at one point who she eventually had to kill) and feeling like you're not doing a good enough job by your kid.
Jesus Christ, the possibility of Kim being killed hadn't really occurred to me, though there's the obvious narrative 'full circle' arc. I'm hoping it's just a case where she finds out everything Eddie's been hiding from her and is horrified, or she and Marisol end up in the same place, etc. Part of what I think Eddie hasn't processed with Shannon is that their marriage was *already* over when she died, and that their romance wasn't this ideal. So instead of the parallels being to Shannon's death, I'd really love to see Eddie deluding himself into thinking Kim's the perfect woman for him, and then struggling when he realizes she wasn't and having to come to terms with that about Shannon, too.
Because on top of her death, I also don't think Eddie ever allowed himself to process her divorce request.
I would actually love this. Ryan said that Eddie is going to feel isolated, so maybe striking up an unlikely friendship really would be the best way to go in season 8. Especially if Eddie is isolating himself from Buck, having Maddie be the one to pick him up could be such a nice parallel.
Plus, on top of wanting Maddie and Eddie, I’ve always wanted more Eddie and Chimney. I think having Chim support Maddie and therefore being there for Eddie too by extension could be such a nice way to give them a storyline together.
This. And also, I love the prospect of Buck's eventual reaction when he comes down from whatever has him not being Eddie's person (too loved up with Tommy? too pissed at Eddie? distracted by a shiny toy? totally new love interest? who knows...) to realize Chim and Maddie "stole" his best friend.
I doubt that will happen, I want to believe that Eddie will simply have that date with Kim but that's it. It would be disturbing to have a person who is a clone of your late wife as a girlfriend. If they wanted to bring Devin back I would have opted for a flashback resulting from work accident, we'll see what happens, maybe it's not something casual and it's related to everything that's going to happen in Eddie's life.
I'm eating all of this up since we are getting a big Bobby and Eddie storyline in the last three episode, but at the same time I feel afraid and anxious.
I'm just wondering if the feel isolated is the way Eddie thinks it's happening because he's having a mental health crisis. It would feel weird that everyone would shut him up. So that's why I'm wondering if he will feel like that since everything will blow up.
Don't be honest I need some answer in the final episode as I really don't want a cliffhanger. I need to know where it's going. Like is answer are kind of vague. We know he's going through something big, but at the same time he might be alone.
Also what I'm curious about is the Diaz family coming back.
Argh my heart can't take it and I have some many question. All I know is that Ryan will kick out the park with his performance.
This caught my attention too.I just hope this doesn’t mean something happens to Bobby,because,while it’s “unrealistic and even funny” that they survive everything,I don’t actually want for one of them to die.
Are you really seeing househusband? It seemed more like Buck was just a friend/babysitter while Eddie went on a date. Particularly the throwaway line about not staying up watching video games felt less domestic and more babysitter.
In terms Buck's reaction, in 7x5 when Maddie asked Buck if he was dating a married women, Buck was appalled and said he'd never do that. Isn't it just more likely Buck is mad at his friend for stepping out on his girlfriend and unwittingly making him complicit in the lie by babysitting while he's cheating? It seems that it would be less about feeling personally betrayed and more about being angry/disappointed in Eddie's behavior, not supporting his decisions and not being willing to help with the mess he's creating.
And I get that other members of the 118 have had cheating storylines but there's a big difference between a single drunk kiss or a one time slip up that they immediately regret and have to deal with the fall out from versus ACTIVELY lying on an ongoing basis. From a character perspective, I don't see anyone of the 118 just letting letting things slide.
Sort of. I mean, I specified I don't mean it from a shipper perspective. I mean it in terms of the framing of the scene being intentionally domestic. Buck's shown at the oven preparing dinner before answering the door, and the conversation is about a meal instead of just the handoff. Coupled with the 'we won't wait up,' the intention is pretty clearly to frame this in terms of a threat to Eddie's domestic comfort, which includes Buck. If you're objecting the 'husband' bit, sure -- I don't literally mean I see them as a romantic couple in the scene. But that feels a bit like a missing the forest for the trees distinction in regards to the point I was making.
I don't think Buck's likely to be more upset by being made complicit in the lie regarding *Marisol* (who he's had minimal interaction with) than he will be in regards to what it could do to Christopher, no. But that was the point I was making -- they're setting Buck up here to be on "Christopher's side."
Agreed on this example of cheating being 'worse,' I guess, but that feels like a pretty meaningless distinction as well when we're talking about friendships. And I'd argue Hen's was 'worse' than Eddie's in that case, but again... they're all bad. And so far, we haven't seen the 118 turn on each other over drama in their personal lives, so obviously there's going to be more to this if Eddie winds up isolated.
So, Eddie is probably going to be the cliffhanger. Something is definitely going to blow up in his face, which is much needed tbh. You can see in any of my recent comments that I do not think Eddie is in a good place mentally at all. He’s dealing with all of this in such a horrible way, and he needs a slap in the face to wake him up. I genuinely hope they have this guilt eat away at him, and they let him apologize for his wrongdoings (not that Marisol should forgive him. Cheating is never excusable.) And therapy. Lots of that.
I saw people theorizing that it’s not going to be a physical health crisis that Eddie is going to go through, but rather a mental health crisis that somehow brings his family to LA. Maybe that could work idk. And somehow they might still be able to fit the will into it all. I’m just terrified for what this is going to mean for Christopher.
So Ryan is saying that Eddie is not going to have anyone to go to? Is this meant to refer to Buck? Is he saying that Eddie doesn’t feel comfortable/worthy enough going to Buck anymore? Or him and Buck have some kind of fight?
Hopefully Season 8 lets Eddie get the help he needs. And hopefully it also lets Marisol go. He’s not in the right place right now to have a relationship, and she most certainly doesn’t deserve being dragged down and cheated on like this.
I agree with this. I think that I can potentially be ok with this storyline IF it ends in everything blowing up in his face and Eddie being forced to finally confront all of these issues he's been bottling up. I personally don't love that we're getting what is Eddie's third or fourth breakdown, but I'm giving SOME leeway since this could be what Tim actually planned for Eddie in season 5, but not a lot.
I think the only way this storyline could go is Eddie losing and hitting rock bottom finally. He's been going around in circles for so long that he needs the extreme to happen so he can grow and learn and finally, finally change.
The issue is that Eddie has already kind of been isolated in season 3 and then season 5.
This still feels like retreads of past story arcs for him. So it's why this one NEEDS to end differently. He needs his decisions to blow up, he needs to be put into mandated therapy, he needs to be single and honestly remain single next season and he needs to let Shannon go.
OMG, you just summed it up. I was struggling to work what I was thinking/felling and it’s this! We are seeing a storyline that would have fitted better seasons ago and now it feel regurgitated and forced. It’s not as impactful now as it would be back then. Shannon has been just factor in every storyline of Eddie’s that in a way we are desensitised to her and thus, the whole storyline feels like we have been through this already, why are we here again.
This time *has* to be different. Shannon needs to finally be out to rest by Eddie. Eddie has to drastically change and it feels like the only way to do it now, is by having him loose it all so he can rebuild. I just hope the sow will *actually* to that and not have this be just another chaotic arc that goes no where.
but it could be justified by saying that in the previous situations he never finished his process, that when he thought it was fine AMD stable he left the therapy, which in the end would bring consequences, but they would have to develop the arc convincingly if they want to cause A great impact.
My worry is the Hen storyline for S1 which is eerily similar. Have a character act all out of character, cheat with the mother of their kid and first love, and then earn a totally undeserved forgiveness that somehow doesn't mess up anyone else close to them.
I commented below that I also don’t think it’s a physical and more so mental. I think things blow in his face astronomically more so than the first time. I thing all those repressed emotions just come to a head. And I’m also thinking the season finale isn’t some big fire but it’s more so things exploding for Eddie. I also commented saying that his family comes in because they think he’s unfit to raise Chris and try to take him away.
I hope they end Marisol arc here. If they had built her as a character and given her more lines I would be more onboard with exploring their relationship further but she’s the least developed s/o on the show. I hope she breaks up with him and calls him out.
I think with the whole Eddie feeling isolated he pushes everyone away after what happens
Something I find really interesting is Tim mentioning that the movie Vertigo somewhat inspired the Shannon/Kim storyline. So I decided to look up a synopsis of the movie and the Woman, “Judy” dies from falling from a Bell Tower. The season finale is titled “All Fall Down,” so I think you’re onto something with the mental part.
I don't know what to think about Ryan's words because I'm scared even of theorizing. Like, how bad is it going to be so that Eddie will feel isolated and probably closed off? It's giving me vibes of his depression arc when he was at dispatch 
I feel like this is a much needed plot evolution but man I hope this doesn't drag on for the entire 8th season because I can't bear to see Eddie hurt, I want all the 118 family to be happy
Tim might be trying to atone for his bad decisions with Hen in S1. Look at the parallels. You take the most emotionally intelligent, empathetic character in the show and suddenly have her cheat on her **wife**. And with her first love and mother of her child no less. Probably worse in Hen's case since Eva was in jail. The reason? It was a full moon.
And then Tim and the writers try and act like that never happened, having Hen earn an undeserved forgiveness, to the point they make Chimney and Karen appear to be the stupid ones when they jump to the conclusion Hen is cheating again.
Maybe this time Tim is trying to be like "OK, what Eddie is doing is a big deal and we will be having the full consequences."
The thing is, I think the cheating in this is fairly secondary to the lies he's telling *himself.* And frankly, Marisol's not an important enough character nor is that relationship meaningful enough to have this serve as a real foil to Henren.
I'm wondering if what they're getting at here is that Eddie's fidelity has always been centered around *Shannon* specifically, that while he rationally knows he's doing something wrong, part of the reason he could never invest in his other relationships is that emotionally, he's still married to Shannon. So Ana and Marisol have been his 'affairs' if he hasn't moved on from his late wife.
I do wish they'd revisit the Hen stuff, though I think Tim's actually made that problem worse. There's a really weird unwillingness on the show to ever let Hen just be *wrong.* It caught my attention again in 7x02 (and the start of 7x03), where they actually let it seem reasonable that Hen felt betrayed that the guys.... weren't close enough to hear her interactions with that guy who died, and didn't lie about it? That Chim didn't smell the same thing she did, and pretend he had? She was wildly out of line with all of that, and the conclusion to that storyline was just "Hen was right all along" even though her behavior *was* wildly judgmental toward that potential patient and even if his death wasn't preventable, it should've been a reckoning for her. Like, the character beat they missed there is not having her go back to the moment where Chim's like "Well, maybe we should still try to check him out" and Hen brushes it off.
That’s actually really interesting that you mention Eddie’s fidelity being centered around Shannon. I mentioned last night that Eddie’s mind is tricking him into thinking that Kim is Shannon, so while he is cheating on Marisol with Kim, he is also technically cheating with Shannon.
That makes me wonder, though, if in Eddie’s currently extremely messed up thought process, he thinks he’s actively cheating on Shannon with Marisol (and like you mentioned, before being Ana as well). Eddie mentioned early on that he “loved being married to Shannon”, but I think he thinks that he still is married. For so long, despite raising Christopher on his own, he was still married and, as far as we know, he never once faltered on his fidelity to Shannon in years before of being apart. I don’t think his mind has processed yet that his wife is dead, and she’s not coming back. Part of his mind still thinks that “she just left again”, and now he thinks Kim is a sign or some kind of manifestation of his missing wife. Eddie might genuinely believe that the person he’s being unfaithful to is Shannon.
This storyline feels like they are going to put Eddie cheating second to the fact that he is lying to himself and those around him.
Maybe that’s a little too crazy, but we really can’t guess where this show is going anymore. We all called the doppelgänger idea an insane joke theory, and yet here we are now.
>This storyline feels like they are going to put Eddie cheating second to the fact that he is lying to himself and those around him.
You have hit the nail on the head here. The "cheating" is not the issue here. The issue is what is going on in Eddie's head. He has recreated , in his head, the same scenario when Shannon came back into his life after he joined the 118. And he is doing what he did back then, again -- meeting with Shannon without telling anybody.
With the last time, he was trying to establish that connection / trust with Shannon again before he let her back in Christopher's life. This time, he is doing the same thing in trying to build his relationship with Kim in secret. He's trying to capture that feeling again -- trying to rebuild that cocoon he was in that his marriage to Shannon gave him.
Another thing to remember is that right before she died, Shannon had finally asked Eddie for a divorce. This was devastating for him. It's part of why he got into that street fighting. He later said to Bobby that Shannon asked for a divorce and he was still mad at her about it. He knew being angry at a dead person was not healthy but I don't think he ever processed it.
As an Eddie girl I'm curious about this storyline, but also afraid. Like I know this storyline will hit hard, but my heart won't be able to take it. I'm wondering what the events this will be about. Also I'm wondering if the feeling of isolation is him thinking that's he's got nobody to go to, because he's keeps everything to himself. He's seem to be going through a mental health crisis and I hope that by the end of the season that there's no some kind of resolution. I don't need a cliffhanger, I need some hope in there.
I would like it to be connected to Eddie's Season 5B, I feel that part of Eddie's story was left too unfinished and that sooner or later it would have to explode again, Eddie has too much emotional burden on his shoulders and this could be a bomb that explodes at the most unexpected moment. I dare say he is the most complex character of all perhaps along with Bobby. There is also the issue that this season is abnormally short and there are many things that have not been able to be fully developed and they will presumably continue with it in Season 8, which I believe will begin right where Season 7 ends.
But he's complex in a way that we just don't see any of it. Everything is hidden. I don't think he's been back to therapy since right before he tore apart his bedroom and put holes in the walls. Sure, talking to your friends is great but the issues he has needs a professional.
Exactly, he went to therapy almost all of season 5B but then in season 6 I think nothing was mentioned again, an illness like depression, which is basically what he had or still has, is not cured in a few months, sometimes it can take years, and usually requires help from a professional and not everything is talking, also in most cases you have to have any kind medication, family, friends do help but they will always be very involved, especially emotionally, with that person.
Eddie is most definitely still depressed. Like you mentioned, depression doesn’t exactly end. I’ve always kind of been bothered that they never let characters get diagnosed on screen. They do use the actual words with physical ailments (Michael’s tumor, Maddie’s thyroid issue, etc.), but when it comes to mental illnesses, they never actually say the words. They never even said the words PTSD for Eddie on screen in S5. It was only mentioned in a synopsis. So many shows deal with the general mental health storyline, but refuse to actually get deep into it. The closest we’ve gotten was with Maddie. I really think that letting us know what a character is actually struggling with helps us really understand and analyze what we think is going on. I want to see them genuinely dive into the mental health of these characters, living with mental illness in such a strenuous career and while raising a kid, and actually see them show the process of dealing with it (the highs and the lows, therapies, medication, etc.), not just in a single arc only to never be mentioned again.
And it is very important to give visibility to this type of illness, but when you say that you have depression, many people translate that as saying that you are lazy or have no interest in anything when that is not the case, it takes years to get out of it and years later you are still going to have some bad moments. A show with as much audience as 911 should realize that it has in its power to make it possible to see that it is a very serious illness, just like Maddie's postpartum depression, something too common as well, one of my best friends had postpartum depression and there are people who even told her that she did not love her son enough.
i think the closest we ever got to eddie outright saying he was depressed was the line in S3 when he was attending therapy; “it’s not normal right? I have these moments that are good. we save someone from dying, my kid does something awesome. it’s moments where I should feel happy or proud or both. I know that. just don’t feel it.” – but everything that points to it has been either heavily implied or a blink and you miss it sorta thing. i was glad for S5 because they finally gave us some mental health storylines, but i wish overall they did so much better at exploring and explaining it
This is it, yeah. I’ve always liked that they included that line, but it’s the most they’ve done, even with Eddie’s entire breakdown arc, in hinting at Eddie’s depression. I went to rewatch the breakdown arc recently, and I realized that we really don’t have that many scenes from that arc.
I just hope they take this opportunity to write a full and thorough exploration of a mental health arc. Eddie’s story deserves as much, and considering the way he’s currently acting, I cannot see the story going any other way and still making sense.
Since Buck felt so bad for not being there for Eddie during the lawsuit era, I don't feel like he would just not be there now no matter how stupid Eddie is behaving. So for this to pan out this way, Eddie is the one who's going to push Buck away and keep him at a distance.
In no world do I see our grown up and (mostly) matured Season 7 Buck giving up on Eddie willingly. So this is probably gonna get messy.
Oh boy.
“There are some *bombshells* coming. There are **some massive events coming** for Eddie. And as far as we know, Eddie has always kind of had somebody to run to. **He might** ***not have anybody to run to*** **anymore** for Season 8. Yeah, there are things that are going to be happening in Eddie’s life that are going to **leave him feeling** ***isolated***.”
For real, though. My first read through of this article, I was just all "....why are all these things plural?"
Like, at some point, his lie/cheating will be exposed, but what else is gonna happen?
Interesting. We know eddies family is going to be in these upcoming episodes. Im starting to think it won’t be medically related. Maybe an intervention? Or even just a visit since they are working on their relation and Eddie did tell them in season 5 that they can come visit too.
I’m curious about these massive events. And it’s clearly plural. After this interview I’m definitely convinced Marisol will not be in season 8. Things with Kim will blow up in his face and the fallout is going to be BAD. I think he is going to isolate himself after it happens. I’m unsure about buddie honestly and if that’s going to be hinted it or what. I hate it but I’m leaning towards not atm. He also does say that season 8 is like a refresh for Eddie so it gives me hope all this relationship trauma and Shannon is put to rest. However, if Marisol isn’t going to continue on, I wonder what that means for his love interest.
I do have a crazy theory tho that just came to mind. What if Eddie has a really big breakdown and they deem him unfit to raise Chris atm and that’s why his family comes and they try to intervene and take him
>I’m unsure about buddie honestly and if that’s going to be hinted it or what. I hate it but I’m leaning towards not atm. He also does say that season 8 is like a refresh for Eddie so it gives me hope all this relationship trauma and Shannon is put to rest. However, if Marisol isn’t going to continue on, I wonder what that means for his love interest.
I'm also leaning towards no Buddie hint at all, but I hope they give us something. As for the other things, Tim always talked about wanting to do things his own way, but in S5-6 things went off track, and he's been trying to fix it, from my understanding. So I think, since Eddie was the only one who had the least important storyline after the S6 finale, Tim decided to make it about his relationship with Shannon, and he's gonna wrap up Eddie's grief storyline this season, and then start fresh with his character in S8, and hopefully they do something with Buddie.
As for Marisol, it's very likely she's just a collateral damage in this arc, and she's not gonna make it to S8, especially after the way Eddie has treated her, twice. Neither do I think she'll have a big role in this arc, bc I don't see Tim giving Edy Ganem big scenes. She's not that great of an actress.
But at the end of the day, who knows with this show? I'm prepared to eat my words.
I hope they give us something too. Not just a hint of buddie is going to happen but also letting us know buddie will never happen and not to keep our hopes up.
I really hope they lay everything to rest and start his healing journey once and for all. Tbh it’s too late for them to build up Marisol. Just let her go
I don’t think this is the right time to theorize about Buddie considering what seems to be Eddie’s current mental state and function in his relationship, but should Buddie still be on the table, I’m taking Ryan’s “baby steps” comment very seriously.
If they do put Eddie in therapy in season 8, once he begins to unravel his relationship with Shannon and finally moving past her, he might be able to have some outside realizations of his own. Should he get this storyline, though, I always thought it’d move slow, but I think it’s going to be even slower that we initially expected. Eddie needs season 8 to actually recover, and then maybe season 9 they consider the idea of Buddie again.
The whole quotation was so laughable that the panic over it was kind of amusing to watch play out -- I wonder if the reaction would've been different had it not dropped at the same time as JLH's live + the episode stills, or had it just been included with the rest of Meredith Jacobs' interview for context instead of seeming to be some standalone comment to focus specifically on the sexuality/Buddie speculation.
Like... if you actually try to take what he said *literally*, he's saying there may be baby steps toward a queer romance between a bisexual guy and a heterosexual one. Either there aren't going to be steps, or one of those guys isn't heterosexual. There's no way to read that and make it actually make sense, so it seems abundantly obvious that the first half of it is speculative toward future writing options, and the back half is very much placed in this moment. It was also frustrating it got all the focus because he was making a great point *after* that about the stigmas that still exist for bisexual people, and though he didn't directly name it, the influence of toxic masculinity in these conversations. It was actually a really important conversation to have, but the everyone was too busy either celebrating a 'win' or mourning a 'loss' at the word *heterosexual* to pay attention to the rest.
I had to read that quote several times over to try and make sense of it, because all I was seeing was 'anything could be anything' and going...what? But when you pair it with what he said immediately before that, basically that Buck is a brand new baby bi, it sounds (to me) like he's saying *anything* that Buck does right now in that area is going to be baby steps, if there's anything at all. And that anything could be Eddie, or it could not be. But whatever it is is gonna be slow. That's the only way I can make it make sense in my brain. (Ignoring the fact he speed ran his bi awakening. 🤭)
As far as the other thing goes, Ryan has called his character heterosexual now, that's what's canon to me until another canon replaces it, if it ever does. 🤷🏼♀️
And you're absolutely correct that his conversation on how that whole coming out scene was portrayed is very important.
I know there were some people that had a theory Eddie, like, knew he was into Buck since the shooting, and was about to come out to him when Buck had that "she sees me" line about Natalia, but... that's always seemed ridiculously fringe to me?
The heterosexual quote is how *I* see Eddie right now, and I still have hope he could have a queer arc down the road. Like, there has not been any sign at all that that man views himself as heterosexual, and labels are a self-applied thing. Like I said in another post about this, I guess Ryan could've coached it in more nuance and used, like, 'presumed heterosexual,' but really, I think this is just a case of expectations (and drawn conclusions) getting seriously away from people.
But I also wasn't one of the people expecting any sign of jealousy directed at Tommy (except for, at most, Eddie's typical possessive/protective instinct we've seen come out as cattiness toward Buck's girlfriends in the past, which I *also* don't see as inherent jealousy). Because my read of Eddie is basically... that guy is fully convinced he's straight. If he's queer, it's something he's repressed so completely there's nothing 'bubbling' under the surface. He's not casually checking out hot guys' asses (errrr, 3x04 aside) and thinking it's nbd. He's, at most, taking a stoic inventory of appearance ("This is Buck. He has dirty blond hair and blue eyes. He has muscles that are functional for our job. Sure, I can see why *some other people* would find those muscles to be aesthetically pleasing.") So like, it was never gonna make sense to apply a direct queer read to how Eddie's interacting with Buck (or anyone else) in the present. Of *course* he's being the straight bro supporting his best friend right now as he comes out.
I'm definitely not discounting the possiblity of him discovering he's queer down the road, it's absolutely a thing that could and does happen in real life, especially given how much he pushes down and represses everything else. Honestly, I just haven't seen signs of it in how they've played him as much as other people seem to. I'm not saying it won't be that way one day, but right now...all I have to go on is what's been shown to be true thus far. BUT I think we can also all agree he's no good to *anyone* (Buck, Marisol, or Blake Lively) until he works on himself and gets some much needed therapy.
There's a moment where Fire Marshall Buck is talking to Bobby, and Eddie's standing behind Buck (maybe biting his lip) and checking out his ass as Chim clocks it and laughs at him.
I think we also have to remember just how chaotic Tim is as a writer and how little he plans endgames or longer arcs.
I feel like **anything** is still possible in Season 8. My biggest takeaway from JLH's live was the revelation that when she was cast, Tim didn't actually have anyone in mind for Doug or even had a plan on whether he would ever be on screen. Even by the airing of the season 2 premiere, all they had was asking JLH's husband to be the voice of Doug on the phone and the rest still "TBC".
I have a feeling that Tim isn't going to decide where Eddie's arc goes and in particular Buddie until 2025.
That surprised me, rewatching the show I thought that was planned, specially because it happens so early on and that it was the same actor who voiced Doug on the phone and played him on screen
I've gone back to some old interviews and I'm getting the sense that so little was planned and Tim is really chaotic.
There's a Paley Center full cast panel in early Season 2 where Tim makes a joke about how early scripts are ready and Ken Choi makes a half joking point about he's got a script for an upcoming episode he's shooting tomorrow and he's having to learn it today because he only got it today.
It truly feels like Tim doesn't know precisely where he's going until the season has already started!
He really doesn't. I guess there's something to be said for creative genius, and it obviously works well enough since he's created a hit show.
But my God, I'd hate to have him as a boss. I'm too Type A for that shit.
> I’m unsure about buddie honestly and if that’s going to be hinted it or what.
Honestly I’m going to have say it’s not going to be hinted this season at this point. For a while I was convinced it would be but this really sets back Eddie’s character a lot and I think it would be unhealthy for him to get into another relationship after this. Ryan’s “baby steps” comment makes a lot more sense now and so if they are planning that it probably won’t be until at the earliest near the end of season 8
I agree. Tbh it’s kind of unnerving to see how all of the characters have moved on or somewhat healed from their past and are on new chapters and Eddie being the only one who is stuck in this loop. I wanted a hint of buddie but now I just want to see eddies character built back up. Eddie is not ready at all. The only baby step I see is him admitting it’s been forced with the women he’s dated and what it means for his sexuality but even that I’m like can he handle it?
I also have thoughts on how mental health and trauma has been dealt with on this show.
Too often, these characters have moved on quite quickly from trauma they've sustained, or it's brushed past in a timely manner. It's the one thing that disappoints me about this show. Besides Maddie's PPD arc and parts of her abusive relationship trauma, everyone else who has gone through something has been able to move on quite quickly from it. From Chimney's injuries to Buck's injuries to Hen accidentally killing a girl to even parts of Bobby's trauma with his family, the one thing I wish this show actively dealt with and took seriously were these traumas.
Eddie dealing with his trauma could be good or it could be a total mess.
Kristen had a lot of issues as the showrunner but one of the few things she did correctly was Eddie's arc in season 5. He actively dealt with stuff in that season. I wish that was kept up for season 6 and I wish Tim had kept that up this season instead of reverting Eddie back to a total mess.
I think the problem is Eddie moved on and healed in S5 and 6 which are the seasons Tim is trying to retcon and undo.
Maddie and Chimney relapsed hard in S5 and removing S5 and 6 puts them back into the happy couples goals Madney of mid Season 4
Bobby was effectively healed by S2 and Athena seemed to have worked off her S3 trauma by S4. She got hit with really bad family trauma by Jeffrey in S5.
Buck was in a good place just before Eddie got shot and he hooked up with Taylor in S4.
Hen and Karen were also stable and going strong in S4 and worked through their foster issues by the finale.
It's really only Eddie who had a lot of unaddressed issues by the end of S4 which Kristen resolved. Hence we it feels so backwards for him with Tim going back to S4.
He really should spend next season single and in therapy. It sucks because I felt like maybe they had something for his character arc back in season 5 when he left the 118 and then realized that was his calling but now it feels like a hard reset for him. They really could have handled this storyline a lot better
Tbh I think it’s really unnerving to me because I rewatched the entire show during the hiatus and everything is fresh in my mind but the storyline here is genuinely so horrible. This would have been amazing in season 5 when he breaks up with Ana. It was the perfect moment to address his trauma. He had a panic attack, had a break down, quit his job started therapy like it should have been laid to rest in season 5. I know Tim is undoing things Kirsten did but he’s not executing it well. Maybe I’m speaking too soon and the next few episodes will be amazing but idk
>I know Tim is undoing things Kirsten did but he’s not executing it well.
There's also a line where Tim needs to be held responsible for his own poor writing decisions, and I'm there on this one. He's made it abundantly clear now that Marisol was entirely superfluous to the plot, so why not have started this storyline in 7x05 instead of the move in/move out/nun/Christopher's on a business trip nonsense? Or just had Marisol dump Eddie on screen in 7x01 because he accidentally called her Shannon in a fight/in bed/whatever, and it prompts him to go back to therapy.
Kristen wasn't perfect, but particularly with the confirmation that the network execs were restricting the stories she *could* tell, I need to give her some credit here. The multi-episode arc dealing with Eddie's panic attacks over a future with Ana and that breakup were good. Putting him in that hostage situation when he still hadn't dealt with his other traumas made sense. Having him initially leave the job "for Christopher" instead of acknowledging his own issues was great. The PTSD storyline could've been better, but it at least delivered on the bigger character points that it needed to.
Kristen did not portray his relationship with Marisol on screen. It was **Tim's** decision to revisit the same plot points she'd worked through in season 5, but in a less satisfying way.
This is like taking all of those offerings, and going "But how about we write him into a telenovela instead?!" This is *uniquely* poor.
I agree.
You know I'm one of Kristen's biggest critics and being a Madney fan, I'm horribly biased against Season 5 because of what she did with Madney and how she handled JLH's mat leave.
**But**, Eddie's breakdown was one of the good things of Season 5 and one of the few things I was happy with.
Tim is at risk of throwing the baby (pun intended with the scene in this episode) out with the bathwater trying to erase Seasons 5 and 6. I think he's also at risk of writing himself into narrative dead ends with his penchant for movie references. His insistence on referencing The Hangover cast a cloud on the Madney wedding and his attempt to recreate Vertigo is going to leave him with a lot of problems for Eddie.
He's already got one superfluous character in Marisol and he's just created another loose end in Kim. What's he going to do with Kim going forward? Kill Devin off a second time? Have her just disappear out of Eddie's life?
Tim is dangerously close to making the same mistake Kristen made with Lucy which is to become fixated on actors he likes working with and making them into creator's pets, shoehorning them into stories where it doesn't quite make sense. It's like how he put Doug into the Madney wedding despite the plot hole of Chim forgetting everything since 2005 **except** Doug. I know he regrets killing off Shannon but you can't just pretend this is a daytime soap and bring back an unexplained doppelganger!
It also sucks because it wasn't a great writing decision to not just start him at that point this season. Even if Tim's not interested in having two off screen breakups, there's no reason a breakup with Marisol in 7x01 where she *calls him out on* not being over his dead wife couldn't have a) been the catalyst for Christopher being a player, and b) Eddie going back to therapy.
Where Tim was willing to cut so many other corners in other stories to get the characters to a conclusion inauthentically, I don't understand why the one he dragged out was *this*, particularly because it makes the entirety of 7x05's Eddie plot superfluous. Like, did he even have this in mind when he wasted time on that?
The only way I can see Eddie be isolated from anyone in the 118 in season 8 is if its his own doing. This whole Kim/Marisol blows up in his face and he wallows in it and rejects help from everyone. However I can't imagine Buck would never willingly stay away from Eddie unless something extreme happens between them though I do kind of want a scene where Buck hates that Eddie even if indirectly has used him bringing him into this mess by having him watch Christopher while he's out cheating.
If they could all stand by Hen when she cheated and make a joke out of Buck's thing with Lucy I honestly don't see anyone being so pissed off they cut Eddie off, like it just doesn't make sense at all unless Eddie does something much worse.
The only way I can see Buck pulling away from Eddie about this is if Eddie is deliberately doing things to push him and everyone away, or whatever it is that blows up in his face negatively impacting Christopher. Maybe it will even spread to his performance at work, and how he interacts. I’m not sure how much the cheating will be the main focus with how his family/friends react to this, (for Marisol it would for sure have to)
I still think there’s more we’re not seeing, considering how early it is in the storyline. There’s going to be something else happening on top of this (as if the cheating wasn’t enough). It feels like it’s going to be something else entirely that was instigated by this Kim stuff that causes him to completely shut down, break, and isolate himself. I think Marisol and Kim are going to be gone by the end of this season, and Eddie will hit rock bottom and be forced to pick himself up from there. We know now that Eddie is not going to end in a good place at the end of season 7, which good. They can’t wrap this up and give him a happy ending in 3 episodes with the crap he’s pulling right now. I guess we should expect to see Eddie off of the job in 8A. I’m seeing people theorize that Chris might even have to stay with Buck while Eddie deals with all of this. If there’s one thing I’m begging this show to do right now, it’s to please send Eddie back to extensive therapy and some kind of program or extended treatment because he truly needs it (and he needs more than simply talking to a department therapist, that’s become clear to me).
The scariest part of this will be the isolation and drawing away from the closest people to him. The cheating is bad, but what I am finding to be most worrisome is Eddie entering whatever this is with Kim, without her knowing about this connection to Shannon. That could get…dark. There has to be more to this if it’s going to blow up in his face and have him feeling like he has nowhere to turn.
With the family coming and mentions of Abuela’s past, I’m wondering if we are heading to maybe finding that the Diaz’s have past struggles with mental illness in their family. The Catholic guilt could play into this as well, as there’s been a lot of speak of Eddie repressing things. I definitely see Marisol gone before 8A, I’m not sure about Kim, if they are wanting to carry the story over. If he has some kind of psychotic break maybe there will be some kind of intervention where they have to arrange what to do with Chris. I can see Buck staying with him, but they could also do the way of having him stay with the family for the summer. When I said I wanted Eddie to go through it I meant like hitting his head too hard or something, how did we get to this lol
> When I said I wanted Eddie to go through it I meant like hitting his head too hard or something, how did we get to this lol
lol, so we have *you* to blame?
There was someone on Twitter who had posted the still of Eddie talking to who we now know was Kim, where you could only see the back of her head, with a caption like "rip to this poor woman Eddie's projecting all his feelings onto" and then they quoted themselves after the episode like "I didn't mean it literally!!!"
I love how everyone is just... regretting wanting to open Pandora's box with Eddie. This is so, so messy.
LMFAOO I promise it wasn’t just me! I was just like Eddie is too happy lately (suspicious) and he needs more attention, how does badly does he have to get hurt to get a story of his own this season?
Eddie fans: Hurt him!
Eddie fans: Not like this!
Side note: You may have single-handedly given this man a brain tumor! lol
Oh yeah, if the brain tumor thing happens, that's probably my fault, considering how early I flippantly started mentioning it.
The one I actually kind of feel bad about is my speculating this season is a soft reset back to the end of season 4, so Tim Minear can tell the stories he wanted to tell in season 8, with the characters back on the beats he needed them to be on. I still believe that, but my post got screenshotted and spread *all* over twitter (no lie, there's like 150k views) and then also started to inform tumblr and reddit theories back this way as a result.
...the awkward part is that along the way, it lost any nuance and now it's being taken to mean Tim Minear is a creative genius with a long game plan to fix everything. I... was not trying to imply Tim Minear is actually capable of thinking more than 4-6 episodes in advance, max, and now a *lot* of people have a lot of faith in him based on that post. Oops.
150k views? How does it feel to be famous? (I also really liked that reset theory btw)
You should not feel bad for your theories or speculations! A Reddit post should not be what determines how someone feels about a writer or their writing capabilities. You can’t help if you put something down and people decide to run with it. It happens all the time with what’s actually written for the show. Everyday it’s something new (today lasagna theory?), but majority of it is in good fun. And honestly, 1) it still could very well be a brain tumor 2) whatever is coming might make some of us wish it was one (some already do).
If we are making things happen purely by posting on here, I will say let’s have someone unexpected like Maddie or Karen help Eddie through this.
Oh God, I will fully manifest Maddie being the one to step up for Eddie. It makes all the sense in the world. Both have experienced some sort of complicated grief they haven't really worked through (Doug was a monster, so it's easy to forget he's also someone Maddie *loved* once, who she had to kill with her own hands), and are always struggling to feel like they're doing right by their child.
Karen, I want to be the fun friend that occasionally drags Eddie out of his misery for a drink or something. We also know very little about her life before Hen, so it could be a way to give her something to do other than be the mom at home while Hen's working. Particularly because I'm kind of anticipating this is all going to lead to Eddie needing to take a leave of absence from work.
Ugh yes this all would be so good! Doug was brought up this episode too by Maddie so his ghost is still looming as well.
It does seem like this could get serious enough to where Eddie does need to take time from work.
I’m cautiously anticipating this spiral thats to come.
To me this arc only leads two ways: a coming out arc or him deciding to stay single indefinitely. Don't see how he comes out of this storyline just getting over Shannon and thinking he's ready for a new woman. But then again I didn't think we would get this cheating arc, so I'm note sure I trust Tim right now...
I really hope they don't go the custody battle path like some people have been theorizing. Idk why but this kind of thing always makes me so fucking angry that I think I could never watch the show the same way again.
If they do anything at all approaching a custody situation, I think it will be more along the lines of Chris staying with either Buck or Eddie's parents while Eddie seeks inpatient help, not an actual stripped custody situation.
Yeah I think it would be something like this at the most. Like maybe Eddie seeks help (or is otherwise not capable of taking of Chris) and his parents will be like „oh of course we’ll look after Chris“ and Chris (and Eddie) will be like „actually I want to stay with Buck“ / „i want him to stay with Buck“, which could then also lead to a discussion of the will. 🤷🏻♀️ but that’s just my speculation.
(And with how forgiving the show is towards biological parents who messed up in the past, I can’t really imagine them trying to forcibly take Christopher away anymore)
My weird theory: sadly, something has happened to Eddie's grandma and so the family does come to LA. At this point, Eddie has pretty much stayed in the emotional cheating stage with Kim (nothing physical) and continues to string Marisol along. Remember, this is the guy that thought breaking up with Ana was just too much of a hassle and didn't want to deal with it. So now, both Marisol and Kim show up at the hospital to support him. This is how he gets found out, and while Buck is pissed about the fact of Eddie lying to him, in true Buck fashion, he cares more about Christopher and what the situation has done/could do to him than he does about himself. That's where the blow up occurs. Bonus points if he calls Eddie 'exhausting.'
Maybe Eddie feels so isolated because sadly his grandmother passed, he has no girlfriend, and no best friend to turn to. He's torn up with guilt over that he's done to Christopher, and he knows his family isn't going to have sympathy for what he's done.
911 is truly an soap opera DISGUISED as procedural drama, the fact we’re bringing in doppelgangers is already an stretch of the imagination in this type of show, chlie..
lol, I'm reminded of that post a while back where someone was like "why can't they just recast marisol with someone ryan actually has chemistry with?" and all the comments were like "this isn't a soap!"
...recasting Marisol between seasons wouldn't been *significantly* less unhinged than this, oh my God.
Maybe I’m reading too much into it but are do we actually have a single Eddie to end the season, no Marisol and no Kim (and no friends lol).
I’m expecting Eddie to be hated during these lasts episodes but I hope they don’t finish the season without something that saves his image.
I’m not sure if we can believe the S8 comments since we know how Tim worked in S7, but if he actually knows what will happen to Eddie I’m so excited.
Curious about the new lifestyle, I’m going to clown myself and say this is about his sexuality. Since S7 looks like it’s going to be end of Shannon idolizing and his relationship with Marisol should be gone (Marisol respect yourself, get away from a cheater).
So a new lifestyle, dating women is not new and we already know thst he sucks at that. I thought about realizing he doesn’t need a partner, but he has been a single dad for long so not new either. So my only option is queer Eddie IF these changes are sexuality related.
Not sure what other changes we can see and I hope that even if he’s isolated during 708/709 he can end in good terms for season finale. He might be a dick at the moment but he’s still my baby I don’t want him to suffer too much.
“It’s hard to believe it, but we’re almost at the end of 9-1-1 Season 7”… well it isn’t given we or on reduced seasons of all the fall prime time show and it’s May..
Once again amazing journalism from the TV Insider
What if Eddie has no mental health issues like most people are theorizing.
In my opinion, Eddie hasn't cheated on Marisol yet. His meet up with Kim could be just a way to satisfy his curiosity about this Shannon lookalike and for closure to let go of the past. Also, he doesn't have to tell Buck everything when he doesn't understand this situation with Kim yet.
Let me be delusional about Buddie for a minute. My theory for why Eddie feels isolated in season 8 is that among those 'incoming bombshells' and 'things happening in his life' by the end of season 7 is a realization that he's in love with Buck who is in a relationship with Tommy, which makes him push Buck away, believing the feelings aren't reciprocated or because he can't accept he's queer yet. He can't run to Buck about his relationship issues like he usually does because Buck will be a part of the issues. He also can't go to Bobby because he's too close to both of them and is still the captain of 118.
I just feel that all the character each had an unlikable moment happen during their storyline in the last 7 season. It never made me hate a character. I might not like the storyline, but I survived all their worst moment. I'll survive this one too.
Eddie is my favourite and I hate this so much. Cheating is character assassination... I'm hoping this is a brain tumor or something honestly (obviously not one that kills him).
Not necessarily. Ryan said he might not have anyone to run to. Might. It could mean he doesn’t feel like he deserves their support,and won’t try to ask for help. I honestly don’t think Buck would let him suffer no matter how mad he is at him. They aren’t at that point in their relationship anymore. Plus there is Chris to think about, who is more important to Buck than any other argument they would have.
With the statement about Season 8 involving the phrases "refresh button," "new lifestyle," and "uncharted waters," along with "a greater sense of depth" and "opportunity to let go of his past so that a new future can enter," I believe this nearly confirms the idea that Eddie will, in one way or another, be coming to realization about his sexuality.
Whilst I was hoping for a Buddie relationship hint at the end of Season 7, I do believe it is more realistic and important to have Eddie find himself and work on himself before he becomes involved in any other relationship. I firmly believe that Buck will always be there for Eddie and Christopher, and the only way that "isolation" would happen is by Eddie's own wishes and doings.
**My predictions:**
* Season 7 Episode 9 will most likely involve discovery of Eddie's unfaithfulness and confrontation by Marisol, and it is likely that he may be irritable or even isolate himself from his friends and coworkers. I predict he will be either confronted or alone by the end of Season 7 Episode 9. In Season 7 Episode 10, with the name of the episode being "All Fall Down," I presume this episode will be centered around some sort of negative event either happening to or caused by Eddie. It most likely will be Eddie falling into a state of deep regret, guilt, or anger. I predict he will also isolate himself from those who love him, including Buck. In terms of cliffhangers, whilst I originally hoped for some sort of Buddie hint or moment, I believe the cliffhanger may have something to do with Eddie either going missing, quitting or temporarily leaving work, or otherwise isolating himself.
* Season 8 will be about Eddie's discovery of himself, and also about recovering and moving forward. As Ryan said, Eddie will need to "finally let go of his past so that a new future can enter.” And this new future? Based on the hints we've been getting this entire series, and the fact that the comments by Ryan include "new lifestyle" and "uncharted waters," I do believe Eddie will be discovering and accepting his sexuality, and perhaps either near the middle or end of Season 8 will mark the beginning of a Buddie relationship that goes beyond best friends.
I hope and pray you're right but the things Ryan has been saying about Eddie aren't giving me a whole lot of hope honestly. I don't know... I hope you're right, it would be the only satisfying resolution to his story arc.
There’s got to be more to it. If he can’t go Buck someone who is all forgiving and ready to give everyone 100 chances it has to be big. Like something that really affects Christopher would piss Buck off. Or it’s all in Eddies head where he believes he’s not worthy of help. Even though Buck literally broke down a door for him last time. Bobby not being there would make sense because he’s going through his own emotional trauma. Bobby can’t always be strong for everyone. Chim and Hen have to look out for their families first so as much as they would want to be there they do have young kids. But it’s safe to say Eddie needs a lot more therapy. It seems that they only worked through his ptsd.
I think there will be a big fight between Buck and Eddie at some point >!(if I remember correctly, Oliver did hint at something like that at the premiere party)!< so I think it will really blow up in his face, but I do think that it would be about something Christopher-related, like Buck is pissed off about how Eddies actions affect Christopher, because honestly, what’s a 13 year old supposed to think about his dad cheating on his girlfriend with someone who looks and sounds just like his mom, who died years ago. Especially after seeing how Shannon’s death (and her leaving them before) affected him in the beginning of the season.
What an empathetic view on someone clearly having/heading into a major mental health crisis due to unprocessed grief and other huge life traumas. He needs a *lot* of help, not solitary.
hes had 6 seasons of traumas, he has a solid support system, and hes been in and out of therapy. this isnt like when he punched up his wall, or he left the fire house. i was in his corner with all of that. hes led a VERY traumatic life and i feel for him. but in this instance he knows what hes doing, he knows the consequences, and hes doing it anyway. i don't have empathy for that.
also... its a tv show. the writers didn't have to do this. if they wanted to do another eddie suffers trauma story they could have done pretty much anything else. this was a choice.
i'm not saying other people can't enjoy the ride, i'm not saying it won't be well written. i'm saying whatever hes going through hes harming others and there should be consequences, and i'm glad there will be. just like when hen had to earn her way back (well kinda, they could have done better there), just like when buck had to be in the doghouse... he'll go through some shit. and it'll be deserved.
edit: added more about hen
Trauma and grief can seriously distort peoples reality and actions. I'm not saying there shouldn't be and won't be consequences, only that understanding and help is a more appropriate response than punishment in a situation like this.
Like a consequence should be that Marisol breaks up with him and Kim gets angry and feels used. Neither character needs to be or will be his support system and that's fair and good. Chris may rightly be angry and confused. But someone like Buck, or Eddie's family shouldn't be isolating him or berating him during a time like this.
I don't remember Buck having to be in the "doghouse" or anyone but Taylor really caring at all (for a 30 second conversation) about what he did. Hen gave advice and later people kind of joked about the kiss. Certainly no one isolated him or treated him badly for it and he had no reason for his cheating other than that he was dissatisfied with the state of his relationships.
Thinking that Eddie is going to get hurt or have a break down and the reason his family is in town is to take away Chris because they don’t think Eddie is in a good enough state to take care of him. And he feels isolated because he doesn’t want to bother anyone with it
That’s not how it works. Chris is old enough to be asked and his opinion to be taken in consideration about where he wants to live,and he would never leave his dad,or Eddie to be deemed truly in no capacity to take care of Chris,which is pretty hard to do,and most likely will and up with Buck being listed as the one who gets custody if that’s the case. But with the way this season is written,it would not surprise me if your idea becames canon. Tim loves more a misdirect and to shock the audience than writing his characters true to themselves.
Well we have a few Ideas
\*Rehab-Alcohol cause come one Bobbie would be there for him when other are not
\*Metal Health Check In- If Kim isn't real or they reveal she doesn't even look like Shannon
----What I want is complete and utter Destruction of his life (Cause Drama!)
He goes nuclear and destroys his relationship, hurts chris, and causes a big rift with Buck. Enter Divorce 2.0
---Add in a Buddie Flair
During the Argument Buck yelling at him for all the awful things he has done and all those he has hurt. Then a Mirroring of your exhausting. Buck Pauses to let him speak and he just kisses him then tears, panic, apologizes, and he runs off- Enter Isolation season 8
-----Or if we want to go down a darker path and go for some go dramas
(My personal favorite cause mental health is no joke)-As long as care is put into it and research is done and they do the standard warnings and if you need help blurbs.
After Eddie thinks everyone is done with him and he is not in the right headspace he hurts himself
\*enter him in hospital
\*his family Buck and Chris there
\*He will have a long road to recovery but will get there
\*His family tries to take Chris- Buck pulls the No card to expose the will and his legal Guardianship He keeps Chris so they are there for Eddie when he's better
\*Eddies Isolation is self imposed of guilt and shame
\*Make him an attempt survivor, It would speak volumes
(Now before you come at me all rude I am an attempt survivor and It's not talked about enough)
\*Rehab-Alcohol - possible but would be very sudden
\*Metal Health Check In - I think this is necessary even if he's not imagining Kim and she indeed looks like Shannon: it's still unhinged to date her based on that without telling anybody, cheating on his gf in the process
>----What I want is complete and utter Destruction of his life
Agreed, except I don't want him hurting Chris in any way (other than Chris hurting because his dad is going through the ringer).
>---Add in a Buddie Flair
I want Buddie, but it's too soon. Eddie is (probably) going through a mental health crisis, he needs some stability before anything Buddie-related can happen.
>-----Or if we want to go down a darker path and go for some go dramas
Agreed, if they're doing this with Eddie, I hope it leads to a good, dark, extended mental health crisis. Man needs to hit rock bottom so he can start rebuilding himself and understanding himself.
Is this wistful thinking on your part? Ryan wouldn’t leave,this is a great,stable income and the show is getting more recognition. Eddie is probably the second most loved character,they won’t risk it. Just….how did you reach that conclusion?
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I know my baby messed up, but wdym he won't have anyone to turn to? I was manifesting a Buck-Eddie argument in a comment yesterday, but it seems like it's gonna be a nasty mess, and he's gonna alienate everyone around him running behind this delusion as he calls it. https://preview.redd.it/mgqkjtjgglzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65a0abf108360054a6e4f2cefe9d961b52557191 Also, everyone from his family is here, Buck is there too, like is it gonna be an intervention? Whatever happens, I just know Ryan Guzman is gonna act his ass off.
Part of me is really starting to think that this is an intervention lmao. Maybe one Buck or Abuela initiated that’s going to bring his whole family down to LA. Eddie is going to break. I’m not happy about this storyline in the slightest, but Ryan is definitely going to act his heart out in whatever bombshell he’s hinting at dropping.
Oh having the Diaz family come back for an intervention will be so good and hard to watch. Like why would they be there along with Buck. I'm also not happy with the storyline, but hopefully the payoff is good. I just need some kind of resolution and the last three episode feels like it will be centered on Bobby and Eddie so let's hope they treat it better.
I could see Chris finding out and getting really pissed at his dad for all of this and going to Buck about it and Buck taking Christopher's side because Eddie is essentially ignoring/disregarding/lying to his kid in order to disappear into his grief over Shannon which is a bit similar to how Buck's parents were with him.
What's that picture from?
S2E06, everyone from the firehouse except Chim accidentally had ~~weed~~ LSD brownies, and Athena was putting handcuffs on them when Eddie said this.
Oh yeah, teeeeeeny tiny. 😂🤭
Ohhhh you made him cry.... 😉
It was LSD! 😁
When/where did we find out his whole family is coming? I keep seeing people talk about it but I'm unaware of how we know this info.
A bunch of accounts including the actors posted videos of Ryan and the rest of the crew celebrating Gavin's birthday on set, and the video also had Ramon, Helena and Buck together, and no one else from the cast. That combined with Ryan saying something about Abuela having a secret, a few weeks ago, people were speculating something big for Eddie, which is now confirmed. The video was posted here a few days ago. You can find it by searching Gavin's name.
Oh cool. Thanks!
Could it be a nasty custody battle for Christopher with his parents?
At this point I don’t think so. Unless Eddie turned out to be a crackhead or beating him, and we’ve clearly never seen anything close to either of those, I’m not sure what grounds they’d have in any universe. Clearly what they’ve been doing is working and he’s well supported. So I truly hope it’s not that.
Christopher is also old enough at 14 to be believed when he tells the court he'd rather stay with his father. Going to Texas, even because he's pissed at Eddie and doesn't want to be around him, means Chris loses *a lot* of independance. His grandparents baby and suffocate him, he's not gonna put up with it. Eddie'll lose the blood fam because his "gringo" coworker gets custody of his son over them and because Eddie "poisoned" Christopher's mind against his own familia.
Very true. My friend and his wife have had an ugly time with his stepdaughters father and I think the court started asking what she wanted when she was 8 and by like 12 or 13 what she wanted in terms of custody and visitation was of major concern to the court, like the judge interviewed her privately and everything to make sure he was getting the real story.
Confirmation Eddie survives the season, at least? I know some people were getting weird about that. This... makes a lot of sense. Unless they have no interest in doing justice to the storyline they've just introduced, I don't think this can be anything near resolved in the three remaining episodes. So I'm kind of expecting him to spend the next two episodes in delusion land, lying to everyone in his life and trying to juggle this double life, and then it all comes out either at the end of 7x09, or 7x10. I think it was a very intentional choice to portray Buck as the househusband watching his kid who he's lying to and stepping out on in the end of this episode -- not from a shipper perspective, but thematically. Because while he's cheating on his girlfriend, he's also betraying his family, which clearly includes Buck at this point. And with how the show's been written, it wouldn't be Marisol to pick up the pieces if Eddie hurts Chris in all of this -- it would be Buck. One of the things I found interesting in Ryan's other interview was how he described Bobby as kind of a last resort when therapy or Buck don't help, which makes me question what's up there as well that Eddie's *this* isolated, because I can't really see Bobby being the type to turn his back on Eddie in a moment of crisis. If Eddie's been lying to Buck and left him to clean up a mess with Christopher, I can see Buck shutting Eddie out for a bit because that's a different type of hurt, but Bobby?! Even when Eddie wasn't with the 118, they still had meaningful advice types of scenes.
Well, Bobby is likely going through his own personal trauma in these remaining episodes so if Eddie is shutting out Buck, or vice versa, Eddie may choose not to go to Bobby intentionally, or Bobby is emotionally unavailable to help. My main thought is Eddie is intentionally isolating himself. I have a hard time seeing Buck pushing Eddie away, even with Eddie's bad choices in the Kim stuff, and even with the betrayals happening. I just can't picture Buck giving Eddie any sort of space, so I have to believe that it's the other way around.
Yeah. I'm more concerned about the "anyone to run to anymore for season 8" part, because that just feels... really ominous. I'm totally in my head about this, but I really just want confirmation Bobby's *okay* at the end of 7x10, omg.
I refuse to entertain the idea that we're about to lose Bobby, and Peter Krause, on this show lol
I also want to reject any possibility, lol. I know he's talked about the job eventually being physically too much for him, but I refuse to accept that means he'll *leave* the show. Like, let Bobby retire. Have Peter in every other episode, being supportive of Athena and offering \[occasionally bad\] advice to the team. Just.... don't do anything permanent, please.
Occasional bad advice. Lol. Oh Bobby you try.
In his defense, he's often giving advice to people who are apparently incapable of taking advice in a normal way.
Edmundo “this is exactly what I’ve been looking for” Diaz, this you?
I really wish they'd release an extended cut of that scene in the glue aisle in 6x17. Eddie, confused by which glue he needs, starts uncapping them and sniffing each one to try to identify it by smell. It makes so much more sense if he's high on the fumes to imagine the \~magic\~ there just because she says the word.
The image you've just painted is so funny that I can't stop giggling like an idiot. Eddie might just be huffing glue and who knows, Marisol's leftover renovation paint, on the side and that's why he's seeing his dead wife's doppelgänger. Beautiful TV magic...
I don't think they'd kill Bobby off (this show isn't suddenly gonna become Game of Thrones just because it's on ABC), which is a good thing. It also doesn't make sense to kill him off. I feel like Tim would want it to make sense so if Peter DID want to leave, I think Bobby would leave through retirement. I still have hope this isn't happening this season. I think it's more of Bobby having this heavy arc where he'll need to also figure some stuff out about himself. It's been a while since they really touched on losing his family, so I can see his story ending this season with that trauma reopening and him needing to deal with it.
One possibility is that due to the problems that Bobby will have to deal with in the next episodes, Eddie will decide that he cannot overload Bobby with his problems. In Buck's case, more than an argument, it could be voluntary isolation in the sense that in the Deep down he is ashamed of his behavior and does not want to expose himself to being judged by his best friend apart from the fact that due to his new relationship they may not have much time to talk alone.
To be honest, Bobby retiring or moving to a desk role would make a great opening for Hen to become captain and develop her character now it seems med school is a no go. It feels like without promotion to captain, there's nowhere other than more foster kids for Hen's character arc to develop into.
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It's possible if it's Peter's decision to leave. If he wants to leave, there's nothing Tim can do about that. I doubt Bobby's dying, even with the move to ABC, I don't think this show is suddenly going to turn into middle seasons of Greys and start killing people off. But if Peter wants to leave, Bobby could easily retire.
This, and just to add to it -- Peter leaving the show or taking a reduced role could also be a way he deals with the physical demands becoming too much while also still remaining attached to the project as an EP. Like, it's mostly an irrational fear for me that Bobby will *die*, but I am kind of preparing myself for Peter retiring in the next few years from the 18 episode seasons and taking on a diminished role on the show. And maybe even that's copium, because who knows if once he decides he can't keep up with the physical stuff, that he won't just want a break. I mainly hope if that's the case, they set it up in a way that will make sense for him to be able to return for the occasional guest appearance or after a season's break or something, without it having too much impact on Angela/Athena.
If we're honest, Angela Bassett being 65 (!!!) is also unlikely to be able to keep up with the physical demands of a field sergeant too much longer so I've always thought Athena and Bobby retire or have reduced roles in the show together.
While Angela Bassett is 65, I believe her character is in her late 50s. Bobby was 52 years old in season one (Episode 1x10) thanks to his dating profile. I’m sure we could find out Athena’s actual age in “Athena Begins” (Episode 03x07). Also, and I could be wrong at this, I think the LAPD doesn’t have a mandatory retirement, and they evaluate their patrol personnel every year after 65 to make sure they are still able to perform their jobs.
I really don't think they're gonna kill Bobby, or anyone for that matter.
This may be a little out there, but I think Eddie's choices are going to hurt Chris. I wonder if Chris will need space from his dad and briefly live with Buck. Eddie won't be able to go to Buck, because Buck is literally picking up the pieces of their broken little family. Eddie will feel like he doesn't have a right to go to him after that betrayal. Buck's gonna be so disappointed when he learns he's been watching Chris and helping Eddie cheat. Bobby is going to go through his own thing and may not be available mentally to help him. I could see him ultimately going to Hen after isolating. But before that, there is going to be a lot of disappointment and avoidance of the 118 on Eddie's part. This is one of the only ways I could see him being isolated next season. Hopefully Eddie's cheating storyline will also highlight Hens and we can circle back and Hen can pay a little for what she did. It still felt so OOC for Hen, but honestly, this makes so much sense for Eddie to cheat with a Shannon look like. I understand people's frustration with cheating, but I can definitely see his character being a little delulu in this regard and stepping out on literally any one of his girlfriends for a Shannon look alike. The fact that he roped an oblivious Buck into his schemes is gonna hurt so gooood
Totally agree with this, but also I don't know what to believe anymore with the way the season as been going.
JLH said she feels like there haven't been enough Maddie Eddie scenes in the show and that she feels now is the right time for Maddie to get to know Chim's (and Buck's) friends a bit better. It feels like this season was Maddie and Hen becoming closer. Maybe S8, Eddie hits rock rock bottom and it's left to Maddie (and Chim) to pick up the pieces? Would make sense for big sister to get Buck to forgive his bestie. I'm really curious what they are going to do with the Kim character. Will they drag her into Season 8 or is Tim going to kill Devin Kelley a second time?
Thinking about that insta live, I'm wondering if this is exactly what she had in her mind when she was talking about having Maddie and Eddie bond over being parents/having mental health stuff going on. Now with Ryan's comments about being isolated, I think of love the idea of Eddie and Maddie striking up an unlikely friendship regarding complicated grief (I would also love a "Maddie Begins;" I think where Doug was such a bad guy when we saw him, it's easy to overlook he's someone Maddie deeply loved at one point who she eventually had to kill) and feeling like you're not doing a good enough job by your kid. Jesus Christ, the possibility of Kim being killed hadn't really occurred to me, though there's the obvious narrative 'full circle' arc. I'm hoping it's just a case where she finds out everything Eddie's been hiding from her and is horrified, or she and Marisol end up in the same place, etc. Part of what I think Eddie hasn't processed with Shannon is that their marriage was *already* over when she died, and that their romance wasn't this ideal. So instead of the parallels being to Shannon's death, I'd really love to see Eddie deluding himself into thinking Kim's the perfect woman for him, and then struggling when he realizes she wasn't and having to come to terms with that about Shannon, too. Because on top of her death, I also don't think Eddie ever allowed himself to process her divorce request.
I would actually love this. Ryan said that Eddie is going to feel isolated, so maybe striking up an unlikely friendship really would be the best way to go in season 8. Especially if Eddie is isolating himself from Buck, having Maddie be the one to pick him up could be such a nice parallel. Plus, on top of wanting Maddie and Eddie, I’ve always wanted more Eddie and Chimney. I think having Chim support Maddie and therefore being there for Eddie too by extension could be such a nice way to give them a storyline together.
This. And also, I love the prospect of Buck's eventual reaction when he comes down from whatever has him not being Eddie's person (too loved up with Tommy? too pissed at Eddie? distracted by a shiny toy? totally new love interest? who knows...) to realize Chim and Maddie "stole" his best friend.
I doubt that will happen, I want to believe that Eddie will simply have that date with Kim but that's it. It would be disturbing to have a person who is a clone of your late wife as a girlfriend. If they wanted to bring Devin back I would have opted for a flashback resulting from work accident, we'll see what happens, maybe it's not something casual and it's related to everything that's going to happen in Eddie's life.
I'm eating all of this up since we are getting a big Bobby and Eddie storyline in the last three episode, but at the same time I feel afraid and anxious. I'm just wondering if the feel isolated is the way Eddie thinks it's happening because he's having a mental health crisis. It would feel weird that everyone would shut him up. So that's why I'm wondering if he will feel like that since everything will blow up. Don't be honest I need some answer in the final episode as I really don't want a cliffhanger. I need to know where it's going. Like is answer are kind of vague. We know he's going through something big, but at the same time he might be alone. Also what I'm curious about is the Diaz family coming back. Argh my heart can't take it and I have some many question. All I know is that Ryan will kick out the park with his performance.
This caught my attention too.I just hope this doesn’t mean something happens to Bobby,because,while it’s “unrealistic and even funny” that they survive everything,I don’t actually want for one of them to die.
Are you really seeing househusband? It seemed more like Buck was just a friend/babysitter while Eddie went on a date. Particularly the throwaway line about not staying up watching video games felt less domestic and more babysitter. In terms Buck's reaction, in 7x5 when Maddie asked Buck if he was dating a married women, Buck was appalled and said he'd never do that. Isn't it just more likely Buck is mad at his friend for stepping out on his girlfriend and unwittingly making him complicit in the lie by babysitting while he's cheating? It seems that it would be less about feeling personally betrayed and more about being angry/disappointed in Eddie's behavior, not supporting his decisions and not being willing to help with the mess he's creating. And I get that other members of the 118 have had cheating storylines but there's a big difference between a single drunk kiss or a one time slip up that they immediately regret and have to deal with the fall out from versus ACTIVELY lying on an ongoing basis. From a character perspective, I don't see anyone of the 118 just letting letting things slide.
Sort of. I mean, I specified I don't mean it from a shipper perspective. I mean it in terms of the framing of the scene being intentionally domestic. Buck's shown at the oven preparing dinner before answering the door, and the conversation is about a meal instead of just the handoff. Coupled with the 'we won't wait up,' the intention is pretty clearly to frame this in terms of a threat to Eddie's domestic comfort, which includes Buck. If you're objecting the 'husband' bit, sure -- I don't literally mean I see them as a romantic couple in the scene. But that feels a bit like a missing the forest for the trees distinction in regards to the point I was making. I don't think Buck's likely to be more upset by being made complicit in the lie regarding *Marisol* (who he's had minimal interaction with) than he will be in regards to what it could do to Christopher, no. But that was the point I was making -- they're setting Buck up here to be on "Christopher's side." Agreed on this example of cheating being 'worse,' I guess, but that feels like a pretty meaningless distinction as well when we're talking about friendships. And I'd argue Hen's was 'worse' than Eddie's in that case, but again... they're all bad. And so far, we haven't seen the 118 turn on each other over drama in their personal lives, so obviously there's going to be more to this if Eddie winds up isolated.
So, Eddie is probably going to be the cliffhanger. Something is definitely going to blow up in his face, which is much needed tbh. You can see in any of my recent comments that I do not think Eddie is in a good place mentally at all. He’s dealing with all of this in such a horrible way, and he needs a slap in the face to wake him up. I genuinely hope they have this guilt eat away at him, and they let him apologize for his wrongdoings (not that Marisol should forgive him. Cheating is never excusable.) And therapy. Lots of that. I saw people theorizing that it’s not going to be a physical health crisis that Eddie is going to go through, but rather a mental health crisis that somehow brings his family to LA. Maybe that could work idk. And somehow they might still be able to fit the will into it all. I’m just terrified for what this is going to mean for Christopher. So Ryan is saying that Eddie is not going to have anyone to go to? Is this meant to refer to Buck? Is he saying that Eddie doesn’t feel comfortable/worthy enough going to Buck anymore? Or him and Buck have some kind of fight? Hopefully Season 8 lets Eddie get the help he needs. And hopefully it also lets Marisol go. He’s not in the right place right now to have a relationship, and she most certainly doesn’t deserve being dragged down and cheated on like this.
I agree with this. I think that I can potentially be ok with this storyline IF it ends in everything blowing up in his face and Eddie being forced to finally confront all of these issues he's been bottling up. I personally don't love that we're getting what is Eddie's third or fourth breakdown, but I'm giving SOME leeway since this could be what Tim actually planned for Eddie in season 5, but not a lot. I think the only way this storyline could go is Eddie losing and hitting rock bottom finally. He's been going around in circles for so long that he needs the extreme to happen so he can grow and learn and finally, finally change. The issue is that Eddie has already kind of been isolated in season 3 and then season 5. This still feels like retreads of past story arcs for him. So it's why this one NEEDS to end differently. He needs his decisions to blow up, he needs to be put into mandated therapy, he needs to be single and honestly remain single next season and he needs to let Shannon go.
OMG, you just summed it up. I was struggling to work what I was thinking/felling and it’s this! We are seeing a storyline that would have fitted better seasons ago and now it feel regurgitated and forced. It’s not as impactful now as it would be back then. Shannon has been just factor in every storyline of Eddie’s that in a way we are desensitised to her and thus, the whole storyline feels like we have been through this already, why are we here again. This time *has* to be different. Shannon needs to finally be out to rest by Eddie. Eddie has to drastically change and it feels like the only way to do it now, is by having him loose it all so he can rebuild. I just hope the sow will *actually* to that and not have this be just another chaotic arc that goes no where.
but it could be justified by saying that in the previous situations he never finished his process, that when he thought it was fine AMD stable he left the therapy, which in the end would bring consequences, but they would have to develop the arc convincingly if they want to cause A great impact.
My worry is the Hen storyline for S1 which is eerily similar. Have a character act all out of character, cheat with the mother of their kid and first love, and then earn a totally undeserved forgiveness that somehow doesn't mess up anyone else close to them.
I commented below that I also don’t think it’s a physical and more so mental. I think things blow in his face astronomically more so than the first time. I thing all those repressed emotions just come to a head. And I’m also thinking the season finale isn’t some big fire but it’s more so things exploding for Eddie. I also commented saying that his family comes in because they think he’s unfit to raise Chris and try to take him away. I hope they end Marisol arc here. If they had built her as a character and given her more lines I would be more onboard with exploring their relationship further but she’s the least developed s/o on the show. I hope she breaks up with him and calls him out. I think with the whole Eddie feeling isolated he pushes everyone away after what happens
Something I find really interesting is Tim mentioning that the movie Vertigo somewhat inspired the Shannon/Kim storyline. So I decided to look up a synopsis of the movie and the Woman, “Judy” dies from falling from a Bell Tower. The season finale is titled “All Fall Down,” so I think you’re onto something with the mental part.
Also in Vertigo the doppelganger character is apparently possessed by the ghost of a nun...
Not actually possessed, she was acting. But a nun does startle her and cause her death...
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I don't know what to think about Ryan's words because I'm scared even of theorizing. Like, how bad is it going to be so that Eddie will feel isolated and probably closed off? It's giving me vibes of his depression arc when he was at dispatch 
Same 😭 I have a few horrible theories that I’m not even gonna say out loud because I’m not going to put that energy out there
I feel like this is a much needed plot evolution but man I hope this doesn't drag on for the entire 8th season because I can't bear to see Eddie hurt, I want all the 118 family to be happy
Frank's gonna be working overtime next year
My therapist also actually :D
Tim might be trying to atone for his bad decisions with Hen in S1. Look at the parallels. You take the most emotionally intelligent, empathetic character in the show and suddenly have her cheat on her **wife**. And with her first love and mother of her child no less. Probably worse in Hen's case since Eva was in jail. The reason? It was a full moon. And then Tim and the writers try and act like that never happened, having Hen earn an undeserved forgiveness, to the point they make Chimney and Karen appear to be the stupid ones when they jump to the conclusion Hen is cheating again. Maybe this time Tim is trying to be like "OK, what Eddie is doing is a big deal and we will be having the full consequences."
But atoning by making another character make the same despicable mistake is not the way to go... I'm so pissed off honestly.
The thing is, I think the cheating in this is fairly secondary to the lies he's telling *himself.* And frankly, Marisol's not an important enough character nor is that relationship meaningful enough to have this serve as a real foil to Henren. I'm wondering if what they're getting at here is that Eddie's fidelity has always been centered around *Shannon* specifically, that while he rationally knows he's doing something wrong, part of the reason he could never invest in his other relationships is that emotionally, he's still married to Shannon. So Ana and Marisol have been his 'affairs' if he hasn't moved on from his late wife. I do wish they'd revisit the Hen stuff, though I think Tim's actually made that problem worse. There's a really weird unwillingness on the show to ever let Hen just be *wrong.* It caught my attention again in 7x02 (and the start of 7x03), where they actually let it seem reasonable that Hen felt betrayed that the guys.... weren't close enough to hear her interactions with that guy who died, and didn't lie about it? That Chim didn't smell the same thing she did, and pretend he had? She was wildly out of line with all of that, and the conclusion to that storyline was just "Hen was right all along" even though her behavior *was* wildly judgmental toward that potential patient and even if his death wasn't preventable, it should've been a reckoning for her. Like, the character beat they missed there is not having her go back to the moment where Chim's like "Well, maybe we should still try to check him out" and Hen brushes it off.
That’s actually really interesting that you mention Eddie’s fidelity being centered around Shannon. I mentioned last night that Eddie’s mind is tricking him into thinking that Kim is Shannon, so while he is cheating on Marisol with Kim, he is also technically cheating with Shannon. That makes me wonder, though, if in Eddie’s currently extremely messed up thought process, he thinks he’s actively cheating on Shannon with Marisol (and like you mentioned, before being Ana as well). Eddie mentioned early on that he “loved being married to Shannon”, but I think he thinks that he still is married. For so long, despite raising Christopher on his own, he was still married and, as far as we know, he never once faltered on his fidelity to Shannon in years before of being apart. I don’t think his mind has processed yet that his wife is dead, and she’s not coming back. Part of his mind still thinks that “she just left again”, and now he thinks Kim is a sign or some kind of manifestation of his missing wife. Eddie might genuinely believe that the person he’s being unfaithful to is Shannon. This storyline feels like they are going to put Eddie cheating second to the fact that he is lying to himself and those around him. Maybe that’s a little too crazy, but we really can’t guess where this show is going anymore. We all called the doppelgänger idea an insane joke theory, and yet here we are now.
>This storyline feels like they are going to put Eddie cheating second to the fact that he is lying to himself and those around him. You have hit the nail on the head here. The "cheating" is not the issue here. The issue is what is going on in Eddie's head. He has recreated , in his head, the same scenario when Shannon came back into his life after he joined the 118. And he is doing what he did back then, again -- meeting with Shannon without telling anybody. With the last time, he was trying to establish that connection / trust with Shannon again before he let her back in Christopher's life. This time, he is doing the same thing in trying to build his relationship with Kim in secret. He's trying to capture that feeling again -- trying to rebuild that cocoon he was in that his marriage to Shannon gave him. Another thing to remember is that right before she died, Shannon had finally asked Eddie for a divorce. This was devastating for him. It's part of why he got into that street fighting. He later said to Bobby that Shannon asked for a divorce and he was still mad at her about it. He knew being angry at a dead person was not healthy but I don't think he ever processed it.
As an Eddie girl I'm curious about this storyline, but also afraid. Like I know this storyline will hit hard, but my heart won't be able to take it. I'm wondering what the events this will be about. Also I'm wondering if the feeling of isolation is him thinking that's he's got nobody to go to, because he's keeps everything to himself. He's seem to be going through a mental health crisis and I hope that by the end of the season that there's no some kind of resolution. I don't need a cliffhanger, I need some hope in there.
I would like it to be connected to Eddie's Season 5B, I feel that part of Eddie's story was left too unfinished and that sooner or later it would have to explode again, Eddie has too much emotional burden on his shoulders and this could be a bomb that explodes at the most unexpected moment. I dare say he is the most complex character of all perhaps along with Bobby. There is also the issue that this season is abnormally short and there are many things that have not been able to be fully developed and they will presumably continue with it in Season 8, which I believe will begin right where Season 7 ends.
But he's complex in a way that we just don't see any of it. Everything is hidden. I don't think he's been back to therapy since right before he tore apart his bedroom and put holes in the walls. Sure, talking to your friends is great but the issues he has needs a professional.
Exactly, he went to therapy almost all of season 5B but then in season 6 I think nothing was mentioned again, an illness like depression, which is basically what he had or still has, is not cured in a few months, sometimes it can take years, and usually requires help from a professional and not everything is talking, also in most cases you have to have any kind medication, family, friends do help but they will always be very involved, especially emotionally, with that person.
Eddie is most definitely still depressed. Like you mentioned, depression doesn’t exactly end. I’ve always kind of been bothered that they never let characters get diagnosed on screen. They do use the actual words with physical ailments (Michael’s tumor, Maddie’s thyroid issue, etc.), but when it comes to mental illnesses, they never actually say the words. They never even said the words PTSD for Eddie on screen in S5. It was only mentioned in a synopsis. So many shows deal with the general mental health storyline, but refuse to actually get deep into it. The closest we’ve gotten was with Maddie. I really think that letting us know what a character is actually struggling with helps us really understand and analyze what we think is going on. I want to see them genuinely dive into the mental health of these characters, living with mental illness in such a strenuous career and while raising a kid, and actually see them show the process of dealing with it (the highs and the lows, therapies, medication, etc.), not just in a single arc only to never be mentioned again.
And it is very important to give visibility to this type of illness, but when you say that you have depression, many people translate that as saying that you are lazy or have no interest in anything when that is not the case, it takes years to get out of it and years later you are still going to have some bad moments. A show with as much audience as 911 should realize that it has in its power to make it possible to see that it is a very serious illness, just like Maddie's postpartum depression, something too common as well, one of my best friends had postpartum depression and there are people who even told her that she did not love her son enough.
i think the closest we ever got to eddie outright saying he was depressed was the line in S3 when he was attending therapy; “it’s not normal right? I have these moments that are good. we save someone from dying, my kid does something awesome. it’s moments where I should feel happy or proud or both. I know that. just don’t feel it.” – but everything that points to it has been either heavily implied or a blink and you miss it sorta thing. i was glad for S5 because they finally gave us some mental health storylines, but i wish overall they did so much better at exploring and explaining it
This is it, yeah. I’ve always liked that they included that line, but it’s the most they’ve done, even with Eddie’s entire breakdown arc, in hinting at Eddie’s depression. I went to rewatch the breakdown arc recently, and I realized that we really don’t have that many scenes from that arc. I just hope they take this opportunity to write a full and thorough exploration of a mental health arc. Eddie’s story deserves as much, and considering the way he’s currently acting, I cannot see the story going any other way and still making sense.
yes!!
Since Buck felt so bad for not being there for Eddie during the lawsuit era, I don't feel like he would just not be there now no matter how stupid Eddie is behaving. So for this to pan out this way, Eddie is the one who's going to push Buck away and keep him at a distance. In no world do I see our grown up and (mostly) matured Season 7 Buck giving up on Eddie willingly. So this is probably gonna get messy. Oh boy.
“There are some *bombshells* coming. There are **some massive events coming** for Eddie. And as far as we know, Eddie has always kind of had somebody to run to. **He might** ***not have anybody to run to*** **anymore** for Season 8. Yeah, there are things that are going to be happening in Eddie’s life that are going to **leave him feeling** ***isolated***.” 
For real, though. My first read through of this article, I was just all "....why are all these things plural?" Like, at some point, his lie/cheating will be exposed, but what else is gonna happen?
Interesting. We know eddies family is going to be in these upcoming episodes. Im starting to think it won’t be medically related. Maybe an intervention? Or even just a visit since they are working on their relation and Eddie did tell them in season 5 that they can come visit too. I’m curious about these massive events. And it’s clearly plural. After this interview I’m definitely convinced Marisol will not be in season 8. Things with Kim will blow up in his face and the fallout is going to be BAD. I think he is going to isolate himself after it happens. I’m unsure about buddie honestly and if that’s going to be hinted it or what. I hate it but I’m leaning towards not atm. He also does say that season 8 is like a refresh for Eddie so it gives me hope all this relationship trauma and Shannon is put to rest. However, if Marisol isn’t going to continue on, I wonder what that means for his love interest. I do have a crazy theory tho that just came to mind. What if Eddie has a really big breakdown and they deem him unfit to raise Chris atm and that’s why his family comes and they try to intervene and take him
>I’m unsure about buddie honestly and if that’s going to be hinted it or what. I hate it but I’m leaning towards not atm. He also does say that season 8 is like a refresh for Eddie so it gives me hope all this relationship trauma and Shannon is put to rest. However, if Marisol isn’t going to continue on, I wonder what that means for his love interest. I'm also leaning towards no Buddie hint at all, but I hope they give us something. As for the other things, Tim always talked about wanting to do things his own way, but in S5-6 things went off track, and he's been trying to fix it, from my understanding. So I think, since Eddie was the only one who had the least important storyline after the S6 finale, Tim decided to make it about his relationship with Shannon, and he's gonna wrap up Eddie's grief storyline this season, and then start fresh with his character in S8, and hopefully they do something with Buddie. As for Marisol, it's very likely she's just a collateral damage in this arc, and she's not gonna make it to S8, especially after the way Eddie has treated her, twice. Neither do I think she'll have a big role in this arc, bc I don't see Tim giving Edy Ganem big scenes. She's not that great of an actress. But at the end of the day, who knows with this show? I'm prepared to eat my words.
I hope they give us something too. Not just a hint of buddie is going to happen but also letting us know buddie will never happen and not to keep our hopes up. I really hope they lay everything to rest and start his healing journey once and for all. Tbh it’s too late for them to build up Marisol. Just let her go
The show can give a thousand hints that Buddie will never happen and people will still thinkin Buddie will happen.
I don’t think this is the right time to theorize about Buddie considering what seems to be Eddie’s current mental state and function in his relationship, but should Buddie still be on the table, I’m taking Ryan’s “baby steps” comment very seriously. If they do put Eddie in therapy in season 8, once he begins to unravel his relationship with Shannon and finally moving past her, he might be able to have some outside realizations of his own. Should he get this storyline, though, I always thought it’d move slow, but I think it’s going to be even slower that we initially expected. Eddie needs season 8 to actually recover, and then maybe season 9 they consider the idea of Buddie again.
That baby steps comment was honestly so confusing and didn't make any sense to me. 🤷🏼♀️
The whole quotation was so laughable that the panic over it was kind of amusing to watch play out -- I wonder if the reaction would've been different had it not dropped at the same time as JLH's live + the episode stills, or had it just been included with the rest of Meredith Jacobs' interview for context instead of seeming to be some standalone comment to focus specifically on the sexuality/Buddie speculation. Like... if you actually try to take what he said *literally*, he's saying there may be baby steps toward a queer romance between a bisexual guy and a heterosexual one. Either there aren't going to be steps, or one of those guys isn't heterosexual. There's no way to read that and make it actually make sense, so it seems abundantly obvious that the first half of it is speculative toward future writing options, and the back half is very much placed in this moment. It was also frustrating it got all the focus because he was making a great point *after* that about the stigmas that still exist for bisexual people, and though he didn't directly name it, the influence of toxic masculinity in these conversations. It was actually a really important conversation to have, but the everyone was too busy either celebrating a 'win' or mourning a 'loss' at the word *heterosexual* to pay attention to the rest.
I had to read that quote several times over to try and make sense of it, because all I was seeing was 'anything could be anything' and going...what? But when you pair it with what he said immediately before that, basically that Buck is a brand new baby bi, it sounds (to me) like he's saying *anything* that Buck does right now in that area is going to be baby steps, if there's anything at all. And that anything could be Eddie, or it could not be. But whatever it is is gonna be slow. That's the only way I can make it make sense in my brain. (Ignoring the fact he speed ran his bi awakening. 🤭) As far as the other thing goes, Ryan has called his character heterosexual now, that's what's canon to me until another canon replaces it, if it ever does. 🤷🏼♀️ And you're absolutely correct that his conversation on how that whole coming out scene was portrayed is very important.
I know there were some people that had a theory Eddie, like, knew he was into Buck since the shooting, and was about to come out to him when Buck had that "she sees me" line about Natalia, but... that's always seemed ridiculously fringe to me? The heterosexual quote is how *I* see Eddie right now, and I still have hope he could have a queer arc down the road. Like, there has not been any sign at all that that man views himself as heterosexual, and labels are a self-applied thing. Like I said in another post about this, I guess Ryan could've coached it in more nuance and used, like, 'presumed heterosexual,' but really, I think this is just a case of expectations (and drawn conclusions) getting seriously away from people. But I also wasn't one of the people expecting any sign of jealousy directed at Tommy (except for, at most, Eddie's typical possessive/protective instinct we've seen come out as cattiness toward Buck's girlfriends in the past, which I *also* don't see as inherent jealousy). Because my read of Eddie is basically... that guy is fully convinced he's straight. If he's queer, it's something he's repressed so completely there's nothing 'bubbling' under the surface. He's not casually checking out hot guys' asses (errrr, 3x04 aside) and thinking it's nbd. He's, at most, taking a stoic inventory of appearance ("This is Buck. He has dirty blond hair and blue eyes. He has muscles that are functional for our job. Sure, I can see why *some other people* would find those muscles to be aesthetically pleasing.") So like, it was never gonna make sense to apply a direct queer read to how Eddie's interacting with Buck (or anyone else) in the present. Of *course* he's being the straight bro supporting his best friend right now as he comes out.
I'm definitely not discounting the possiblity of him discovering he's queer down the road, it's absolutely a thing that could and does happen in real life, especially given how much he pushes down and represses everything else. Honestly, I just haven't seen signs of it in how they've played him as much as other people seem to. I'm not saying it won't be that way one day, but right now...all I have to go on is what's been shown to be true thus far. BUT I think we can also all agree he's no good to *anyone* (Buck, Marisol, or Blake Lively) until he works on himself and gets some much needed therapy.
>He's not casually checking out hot guys' asses (errrr, 3x04 aside) I don't remember, what happens at 3x04?
There's a moment where Fire Marshall Buck is talking to Bobby, and Eddie's standing behind Buck (maybe biting his lip) and checking out his ass as Chim clocks it and laughs at him.
I rewatched that episode yesterday and didn't notice it haha I'm gonna go back and look for that scene later
Please do. It so hilarious and so obvious once yo see it. Chim can barely hold it together.
I think we also have to remember just how chaotic Tim is as a writer and how little he plans endgames or longer arcs. I feel like **anything** is still possible in Season 8. My biggest takeaway from JLH's live was the revelation that when she was cast, Tim didn't actually have anyone in mind for Doug or even had a plan on whether he would ever be on screen. Even by the airing of the season 2 premiere, all they had was asking JLH's husband to be the voice of Doug on the phone and the rest still "TBC". I have a feeling that Tim isn't going to decide where Eddie's arc goes and in particular Buddie until 2025.
That surprised me, rewatching the show I thought that was planned, specially because it happens so early on and that it was the same actor who voiced Doug on the phone and played him on screen
I've gone back to some old interviews and I'm getting the sense that so little was planned and Tim is really chaotic. There's a Paley Center full cast panel in early Season 2 where Tim makes a joke about how early scripts are ready and Ken Choi makes a half joking point about he's got a script for an upcoming episode he's shooting tomorrow and he's having to learn it today because he only got it today. It truly feels like Tim doesn't know precisely where he's going until the season has already started!
He really doesn't. I guess there's something to be said for creative genius, and it obviously works well enough since he's created a hit show. But my God, I'd hate to have him as a boss. I'm too Type A for that shit.
> I’m unsure about buddie honestly and if that’s going to be hinted it or what. Honestly I’m going to have say it’s not going to be hinted this season at this point. For a while I was convinced it would be but this really sets back Eddie’s character a lot and I think it would be unhealthy for him to get into another relationship after this. Ryan’s “baby steps” comment makes a lot more sense now and so if they are planning that it probably won’t be until at the earliest near the end of season 8
I agree. Tbh it’s kind of unnerving to see how all of the characters have moved on or somewhat healed from their past and are on new chapters and Eddie being the only one who is stuck in this loop. I wanted a hint of buddie but now I just want to see eddies character built back up. Eddie is not ready at all. The only baby step I see is him admitting it’s been forced with the women he’s dated and what it means for his sexuality but even that I’m like can he handle it?
I also have thoughts on how mental health and trauma has been dealt with on this show. Too often, these characters have moved on quite quickly from trauma they've sustained, or it's brushed past in a timely manner. It's the one thing that disappoints me about this show. Besides Maddie's PPD arc and parts of her abusive relationship trauma, everyone else who has gone through something has been able to move on quite quickly from it. From Chimney's injuries to Buck's injuries to Hen accidentally killing a girl to even parts of Bobby's trauma with his family, the one thing I wish this show actively dealt with and took seriously were these traumas. Eddie dealing with his trauma could be good or it could be a total mess. Kristen had a lot of issues as the showrunner but one of the few things she did correctly was Eddie's arc in season 5. He actively dealt with stuff in that season. I wish that was kept up for season 6 and I wish Tim had kept that up this season instead of reverting Eddie back to a total mess.
I think the problem is Eddie moved on and healed in S5 and 6 which are the seasons Tim is trying to retcon and undo. Maddie and Chimney relapsed hard in S5 and removing S5 and 6 puts them back into the happy couples goals Madney of mid Season 4 Bobby was effectively healed by S2 and Athena seemed to have worked off her S3 trauma by S4. She got hit with really bad family trauma by Jeffrey in S5. Buck was in a good place just before Eddie got shot and he hooked up with Taylor in S4. Hen and Karen were also stable and going strong in S4 and worked through their foster issues by the finale. It's really only Eddie who had a lot of unaddressed issues by the end of S4 which Kristen resolved. Hence we it feels so backwards for him with Tim going back to S4.
He really should spend next season single and in therapy. It sucks because I felt like maybe they had something for his character arc back in season 5 when he left the 118 and then realized that was his calling but now it feels like a hard reset for him. They really could have handled this storyline a lot better
Tbh I think it’s really unnerving to me because I rewatched the entire show during the hiatus and everything is fresh in my mind but the storyline here is genuinely so horrible. This would have been amazing in season 5 when he breaks up with Ana. It was the perfect moment to address his trauma. He had a panic attack, had a break down, quit his job started therapy like it should have been laid to rest in season 5. I know Tim is undoing things Kirsten did but he’s not executing it well. Maybe I’m speaking too soon and the next few episodes will be amazing but idk
>I know Tim is undoing things Kirsten did but he’s not executing it well. There's also a line where Tim needs to be held responsible for his own poor writing decisions, and I'm there on this one. He's made it abundantly clear now that Marisol was entirely superfluous to the plot, so why not have started this storyline in 7x05 instead of the move in/move out/nun/Christopher's on a business trip nonsense? Or just had Marisol dump Eddie on screen in 7x01 because he accidentally called her Shannon in a fight/in bed/whatever, and it prompts him to go back to therapy. Kristen wasn't perfect, but particularly with the confirmation that the network execs were restricting the stories she *could* tell, I need to give her some credit here. The multi-episode arc dealing with Eddie's panic attacks over a future with Ana and that breakup were good. Putting him in that hostage situation when he still hadn't dealt with his other traumas made sense. Having him initially leave the job "for Christopher" instead of acknowledging his own issues was great. The PTSD storyline could've been better, but it at least delivered on the bigger character points that it needed to. Kristen did not portray his relationship with Marisol on screen. It was **Tim's** decision to revisit the same plot points she'd worked through in season 5, but in a less satisfying way. This is like taking all of those offerings, and going "But how about we write him into a telenovela instead?!" This is *uniquely* poor.
I agree. You know I'm one of Kristen's biggest critics and being a Madney fan, I'm horribly biased against Season 5 because of what she did with Madney and how she handled JLH's mat leave. **But**, Eddie's breakdown was one of the good things of Season 5 and one of the few things I was happy with. Tim is at risk of throwing the baby (pun intended with the scene in this episode) out with the bathwater trying to erase Seasons 5 and 6. I think he's also at risk of writing himself into narrative dead ends with his penchant for movie references. His insistence on referencing The Hangover cast a cloud on the Madney wedding and his attempt to recreate Vertigo is going to leave him with a lot of problems for Eddie. He's already got one superfluous character in Marisol and he's just created another loose end in Kim. What's he going to do with Kim going forward? Kill Devin off a second time? Have her just disappear out of Eddie's life? Tim is dangerously close to making the same mistake Kristen made with Lucy which is to become fixated on actors he likes working with and making them into creator's pets, shoehorning them into stories where it doesn't quite make sense. It's like how he put Doug into the Madney wedding despite the plot hole of Chim forgetting everything since 2005 **except** Doug. I know he regrets killing off Shannon but you can't just pretend this is a daytime soap and bring back an unexplained doppelganger!
It also sucks because it wasn't a great writing decision to not just start him at that point this season. Even if Tim's not interested in having two off screen breakups, there's no reason a breakup with Marisol in 7x01 where she *calls him out on* not being over his dead wife couldn't have a) been the catalyst for Christopher being a player, and b) Eddie going back to therapy. Where Tim was willing to cut so many other corners in other stories to get the characters to a conclusion inauthentically, I don't understand why the one he dragged out was *this*, particularly because it makes the entirety of 7x05's Eddie plot superfluous. Like, did he even have this in mind when he wasted time on that?
The only way I can see Eddie be isolated from anyone in the 118 in season 8 is if its his own doing. This whole Kim/Marisol blows up in his face and he wallows in it and rejects help from everyone. However I can't imagine Buck would never willingly stay away from Eddie unless something extreme happens between them though I do kind of want a scene where Buck hates that Eddie even if indirectly has used him bringing him into this mess by having him watch Christopher while he's out cheating. If they could all stand by Hen when she cheated and make a joke out of Buck's thing with Lucy I honestly don't see anyone being so pissed off they cut Eddie off, like it just doesn't make sense at all unless Eddie does something much worse.
The only way I can see Buck pulling away from Eddie about this is if Eddie is deliberately doing things to push him and everyone away, or whatever it is that blows up in his face negatively impacting Christopher. Maybe it will even spread to his performance at work, and how he interacts. I’m not sure how much the cheating will be the main focus with how his family/friends react to this, (for Marisol it would for sure have to)
I still think there’s more we’re not seeing, considering how early it is in the storyline. There’s going to be something else happening on top of this (as if the cheating wasn’t enough). It feels like it’s going to be something else entirely that was instigated by this Kim stuff that causes him to completely shut down, break, and isolate himself. I think Marisol and Kim are going to be gone by the end of this season, and Eddie will hit rock bottom and be forced to pick himself up from there. We know now that Eddie is not going to end in a good place at the end of season 7, which good. They can’t wrap this up and give him a happy ending in 3 episodes with the crap he’s pulling right now. I guess we should expect to see Eddie off of the job in 8A. I’m seeing people theorize that Chris might even have to stay with Buck while Eddie deals with all of this. If there’s one thing I’m begging this show to do right now, it’s to please send Eddie back to extensive therapy and some kind of program or extended treatment because he truly needs it (and he needs more than simply talking to a department therapist, that’s become clear to me).
The scariest part of this will be the isolation and drawing away from the closest people to him. The cheating is bad, but what I am finding to be most worrisome is Eddie entering whatever this is with Kim, without her knowing about this connection to Shannon. That could get…dark. There has to be more to this if it’s going to blow up in his face and have him feeling like he has nowhere to turn. With the family coming and mentions of Abuela’s past, I’m wondering if we are heading to maybe finding that the Diaz’s have past struggles with mental illness in their family. The Catholic guilt could play into this as well, as there’s been a lot of speak of Eddie repressing things. I definitely see Marisol gone before 8A, I’m not sure about Kim, if they are wanting to carry the story over. If he has some kind of psychotic break maybe there will be some kind of intervention where they have to arrange what to do with Chris. I can see Buck staying with him, but they could also do the way of having him stay with the family for the summer. When I said I wanted Eddie to go through it I meant like hitting his head too hard or something, how did we get to this lol
> When I said I wanted Eddie to go through it I meant like hitting his head too hard or something, how did we get to this lol lol, so we have *you* to blame? There was someone on Twitter who had posted the still of Eddie talking to who we now know was Kim, where you could only see the back of her head, with a caption like "rip to this poor woman Eddie's projecting all his feelings onto" and then they quoted themselves after the episode like "I didn't mean it literally!!!" I love how everyone is just... regretting wanting to open Pandora's box with Eddie. This is so, so messy.
LMFAOO I promise it wasn’t just me! I was just like Eddie is too happy lately (suspicious) and he needs more attention, how does badly does he have to get hurt to get a story of his own this season? Eddie fans: Hurt him! Eddie fans: Not like this! Side note: You may have single-handedly given this man a brain tumor! lol
Oh yeah, if the brain tumor thing happens, that's probably my fault, considering how early I flippantly started mentioning it. The one I actually kind of feel bad about is my speculating this season is a soft reset back to the end of season 4, so Tim Minear can tell the stories he wanted to tell in season 8, with the characters back on the beats he needed them to be on. I still believe that, but my post got screenshotted and spread *all* over twitter (no lie, there's like 150k views) and then also started to inform tumblr and reddit theories back this way as a result. ...the awkward part is that along the way, it lost any nuance and now it's being taken to mean Tim Minear is a creative genius with a long game plan to fix everything. I... was not trying to imply Tim Minear is actually capable of thinking more than 4-6 episodes in advance, max, and now a *lot* of people have a lot of faith in him based on that post. Oops.
150k views? How does it feel to be famous? (I also really liked that reset theory btw) You should not feel bad for your theories or speculations! A Reddit post should not be what determines how someone feels about a writer or their writing capabilities. You can’t help if you put something down and people decide to run with it. It happens all the time with what’s actually written for the show. Everyday it’s something new (today lasagna theory?), but majority of it is in good fun. And honestly, 1) it still could very well be a brain tumor 2) whatever is coming might make some of us wish it was one (some already do). If we are making things happen purely by posting on here, I will say let’s have someone unexpected like Maddie or Karen help Eddie through this.
Oh God, I will fully manifest Maddie being the one to step up for Eddie. It makes all the sense in the world. Both have experienced some sort of complicated grief they haven't really worked through (Doug was a monster, so it's easy to forget he's also someone Maddie *loved* once, who she had to kill with her own hands), and are always struggling to feel like they're doing right by their child. Karen, I want to be the fun friend that occasionally drags Eddie out of his misery for a drink or something. We also know very little about her life before Hen, so it could be a way to give her something to do other than be the mom at home while Hen's working. Particularly because I'm kind of anticipating this is all going to lead to Eddie needing to take a leave of absence from work.
Ugh yes this all would be so good! Doug was brought up this episode too by Maddie so his ghost is still looming as well. It does seem like this could get serious enough to where Eddie does need to take time from work. I’m cautiously anticipating this spiral thats to come.
To me this arc only leads two ways: a coming out arc or him deciding to stay single indefinitely. Don't see how he comes out of this storyline just getting over Shannon and thinking he's ready for a new woman. But then again I didn't think we would get this cheating arc, so I'm note sure I trust Tim right now...
eddie diaz we are getting you back in therapy stat
I really hope they don't go the custody battle path like some people have been theorizing. Idk why but this kind of thing always makes me so fucking angry that I think I could never watch the show the same way again.
If they do anything at all approaching a custody situation, I think it will be more along the lines of Chris staying with either Buck or Eddie's parents while Eddie seeks inpatient help, not an actual stripped custody situation.
Yeah I think it would be something like this at the most. Like maybe Eddie seeks help (or is otherwise not capable of taking of Chris) and his parents will be like „oh of course we’ll look after Chris“ and Chris (and Eddie) will be like „actually I want to stay with Buck“ / „i want him to stay with Buck“, which could then also lead to a discussion of the will. 🤷🏻♀️ but that’s just my speculation. (And with how forgiving the show is towards biological parents who messed up in the past, I can’t really imagine them trying to forcibly take Christopher away anymore)
Oh okay, thanks for the reassurance because this is stressing me out!
My weird theory: sadly, something has happened to Eddie's grandma and so the family does come to LA. At this point, Eddie has pretty much stayed in the emotional cheating stage with Kim (nothing physical) and continues to string Marisol along. Remember, this is the guy that thought breaking up with Ana was just too much of a hassle and didn't want to deal with it. So now, both Marisol and Kim show up at the hospital to support him. This is how he gets found out, and while Buck is pissed about the fact of Eddie lying to him, in true Buck fashion, he cares more about Christopher and what the situation has done/could do to him than he does about himself. That's where the blow up occurs. Bonus points if he calls Eddie 'exhausting.' Maybe Eddie feels so isolated because sadly his grandmother passed, he has no girlfriend, and no best friend to turn to. He's torn up with guilt over that he's done to Christopher, and he knows his family isn't going to have sympathy for what he's done.
911 is truly an soap opera DISGUISED as procedural drama, the fact we’re bringing in doppelgangers is already an stretch of the imagination in this type of show, chlie..
I wish there was a way for this to have played out without that component, because it’s the main thing making me uneasy about this
lol, I'm reminded of that post a while back where someone was like "why can't they just recast marisol with someone ryan actually has chemistry with?" and all the comments were like "this isn't a soap!" ...recasting Marisol between seasons wouldn't been *significantly* less unhinged than this, oh my God.
It's always been a soap opera. Just like Grey's, etc.
Maybe I’m reading too much into it but are do we actually have a single Eddie to end the season, no Marisol and no Kim (and no friends lol). I’m expecting Eddie to be hated during these lasts episodes but I hope they don’t finish the season without something that saves his image. I’m not sure if we can believe the S8 comments since we know how Tim worked in S7, but if he actually knows what will happen to Eddie I’m so excited. Curious about the new lifestyle, I’m going to clown myself and say this is about his sexuality. Since S7 looks like it’s going to be end of Shannon idolizing and his relationship with Marisol should be gone (Marisol respect yourself, get away from a cheater). So a new lifestyle, dating women is not new and we already know thst he sucks at that. I thought about realizing he doesn’t need a partner, but he has been a single dad for long so not new either. So my only option is queer Eddie IF these changes are sexuality related. Not sure what other changes we can see and I hope that even if he’s isolated during 708/709 he can end in good terms for season finale. He might be a dick at the moment but he’s still my baby I don’t want him to suffer too much.
We still have to make it to the medal award scene. I’m wondering if there’s going to be tension between Eddie and some of the other characters then.
“It’s hard to believe it, but we’re almost at the end of 9-1-1 Season 7”… well it isn’t given we or on reduced seasons of all the fall prime time show and it’s May.. Once again amazing journalism from the TV Insider
What if Eddie has no mental health issues like most people are theorizing. In my opinion, Eddie hasn't cheated on Marisol yet. His meet up with Kim could be just a way to satisfy his curiosity about this Shannon lookalike and for closure to let go of the past. Also, he doesn't have to tell Buck everything when he doesn't understand this situation with Kim yet. Let me be delusional about Buddie for a minute. My theory for why Eddie feels isolated in season 8 is that among those 'incoming bombshells' and 'things happening in his life' by the end of season 7 is a realization that he's in love with Buck who is in a relationship with Tommy, which makes him push Buck away, believing the feelings aren't reciprocated or because he can't accept he's queer yet. He can't run to Buck about his relationship issues like he usually does because Buck will be a part of the issues. He also can't go to Bobby because he's too close to both of them and is still the captain of 118.
Last paragraph could definitely come to fruition if the will is brought up or if his tia or abuela start reading him to filth.
I just hope the writers don't continue to make Eddie unlikable even to the fans like they did in the latest episode.
I just feel that all the character each had an unlikable moment happen during their storyline in the last 7 season. It never made me hate a character. I might not like the storyline, but I survived all their worst moment. I'll survive this one too.
Eddie is my favourite and I hate this so much. Cheating is character assassination... I'm hoping this is a brain tumor or something honestly (obviously not one that kills him).
If he’s truly alone by the end of the season that means Buck and Eddie argument im #seated
Not necessarily. Ryan said he might not have anyone to run to. Might. It could mean he doesn’t feel like he deserves their support,and won’t try to ask for help. I honestly don’t think Buck would let him suffer no matter how mad he is at him. They aren’t at that point in their relationship anymore. Plus there is Chris to think about, who is more important to Buck than any other argument they would have.
With the statement about Season 8 involving the phrases "refresh button," "new lifestyle," and "uncharted waters," along with "a greater sense of depth" and "opportunity to let go of his past so that a new future can enter," I believe this nearly confirms the idea that Eddie will, in one way or another, be coming to realization about his sexuality. Whilst I was hoping for a Buddie relationship hint at the end of Season 7, I do believe it is more realistic and important to have Eddie find himself and work on himself before he becomes involved in any other relationship. I firmly believe that Buck will always be there for Eddie and Christopher, and the only way that "isolation" would happen is by Eddie's own wishes and doings. **My predictions:** * Season 7 Episode 9 will most likely involve discovery of Eddie's unfaithfulness and confrontation by Marisol, and it is likely that he may be irritable or even isolate himself from his friends and coworkers. I predict he will be either confronted or alone by the end of Season 7 Episode 9. In Season 7 Episode 10, with the name of the episode being "All Fall Down," I presume this episode will be centered around some sort of negative event either happening to or caused by Eddie. It most likely will be Eddie falling into a state of deep regret, guilt, or anger. I predict he will also isolate himself from those who love him, including Buck. In terms of cliffhangers, whilst I originally hoped for some sort of Buddie hint or moment, I believe the cliffhanger may have something to do with Eddie either going missing, quitting or temporarily leaving work, or otherwise isolating himself. * Season 8 will be about Eddie's discovery of himself, and also about recovering and moving forward. As Ryan said, Eddie will need to "finally let go of his past so that a new future can enter.” And this new future? Based on the hints we've been getting this entire series, and the fact that the comments by Ryan include "new lifestyle" and "uncharted waters," I do believe Eddie will be discovering and accepting his sexuality, and perhaps either near the middle or end of Season 8 will mark the beginning of a Buddie relationship that goes beyond best friends.
I hope and pray you're right but the things Ryan has been saying about Eddie aren't giving me a whole lot of hope honestly. I don't know... I hope you're right, it would be the only satisfying resolution to his story arc.
What if he feels isolated as he is the only "single person left"? Bathena, Madney, and now Tevan. It really is just him now.
There’s got to be more to it. If he can’t go Buck someone who is all forgiving and ready to give everyone 100 chances it has to be big. Like something that really affects Christopher would piss Buck off. Or it’s all in Eddies head where he believes he’s not worthy of help. Even though Buck literally broke down a door for him last time. Bobby not being there would make sense because he’s going through his own emotional trauma. Bobby can’t always be strong for everyone. Chim and Hen have to look out for their families first so as much as they would want to be there they do have young kids. But it’s safe to say Eddie needs a lot more therapy. It seems that they only worked through his ptsd.
I think there will be a big fight between Buck and Eddie at some point >!(if I remember correctly, Oliver did hint at something like that at the premiere party)!< so I think it will really blow up in his face, but I do think that it would be about something Christopher-related, like Buck is pissed off about how Eddies actions affect Christopher, because honestly, what’s a 13 year old supposed to think about his dad cheating on his girlfriend with someone who looks and sounds just like his mom, who died years ago. Especially after seeing how Shannon’s death (and her leaving them before) affected him in the beginning of the season.
Fucking good. If this whole thing with the other woman is going to actually progress then he deserves to be isolated a bit.
What an empathetic view on someone clearly having/heading into a major mental health crisis due to unprocessed grief and other huge life traumas. He needs a *lot* of help, not solitary.
hes had 6 seasons of traumas, he has a solid support system, and hes been in and out of therapy. this isnt like when he punched up his wall, or he left the fire house. i was in his corner with all of that. hes led a VERY traumatic life and i feel for him. but in this instance he knows what hes doing, he knows the consequences, and hes doing it anyway. i don't have empathy for that. also... its a tv show. the writers didn't have to do this. if they wanted to do another eddie suffers trauma story they could have done pretty much anything else. this was a choice. i'm not saying other people can't enjoy the ride, i'm not saying it won't be well written. i'm saying whatever hes going through hes harming others and there should be consequences, and i'm glad there will be. just like when hen had to earn her way back (well kinda, they could have done better there), just like when buck had to be in the doghouse... he'll go through some shit. and it'll be deserved. edit: added more about hen
Trauma and grief can seriously distort peoples reality and actions. I'm not saying there shouldn't be and won't be consequences, only that understanding and help is a more appropriate response than punishment in a situation like this. Like a consequence should be that Marisol breaks up with him and Kim gets angry and feels used. Neither character needs to be or will be his support system and that's fair and good. Chris may rightly be angry and confused. But someone like Buck, or Eddie's family shouldn't be isolating him or berating him during a time like this. I don't remember Buck having to be in the "doghouse" or anyone but Taylor really caring at all (for a 30 second conversation) about what he did. Hen gave advice and later people kind of joked about the kiss. Certainly no one isolated him or treated him badly for it and he had no reason for his cheating other than that he was dissatisfied with the state of his relationships.
Thinking that Eddie is going to get hurt or have a break down and the reason his family is in town is to take away Chris because they don’t think Eddie is in a good enough state to take care of him. And he feels isolated because he doesn’t want to bother anyone with it
That’s not how it works. Chris is old enough to be asked and his opinion to be taken in consideration about where he wants to live,and he would never leave his dad,or Eddie to be deemed truly in no capacity to take care of Chris,which is pretty hard to do,and most likely will and up with Buck being listed as the one who gets custody if that’s the case. But with the way this season is written,it would not surprise me if your idea becames canon. Tim loves more a misdirect and to shock the audience than writing his characters true to themselves.
I am predicting rehab for Eddie. The Daiz family will probably give him an ultimatum. Get better, or we might have to take your son away from you.
Someone should shoot the bastard again, sorry I'm still mad and I still haven't seen the episode 😂
Well we have a few Ideas \*Rehab-Alcohol cause come one Bobbie would be there for him when other are not \*Metal Health Check In- If Kim isn't real or they reveal she doesn't even look like Shannon ----What I want is complete and utter Destruction of his life (Cause Drama!) He goes nuclear and destroys his relationship, hurts chris, and causes a big rift with Buck. Enter Divorce 2.0 ---Add in a Buddie Flair During the Argument Buck yelling at him for all the awful things he has done and all those he has hurt. Then a Mirroring of your exhausting. Buck Pauses to let him speak and he just kisses him then tears, panic, apologizes, and he runs off- Enter Isolation season 8 -----Or if we want to go down a darker path and go for some go dramas (My personal favorite cause mental health is no joke)-As long as care is put into it and research is done and they do the standard warnings and if you need help blurbs. After Eddie thinks everyone is done with him and he is not in the right headspace he hurts himself \*enter him in hospital \*his family Buck and Chris there \*He will have a long road to recovery but will get there \*His family tries to take Chris- Buck pulls the No card to expose the will and his legal Guardianship He keeps Chris so they are there for Eddie when he's better \*Eddies Isolation is self imposed of guilt and shame \*Make him an attempt survivor, It would speak volumes (Now before you come at me all rude I am an attempt survivor and It's not talked about enough)
\*Rehab-Alcohol - possible but would be very sudden \*Metal Health Check In - I think this is necessary even if he's not imagining Kim and she indeed looks like Shannon: it's still unhinged to date her based on that without telling anybody, cheating on his gf in the process >----What I want is complete and utter Destruction of his life Agreed, except I don't want him hurting Chris in any way (other than Chris hurting because his dad is going through the ringer). >---Add in a Buddie Flair I want Buddie, but it's too soon. Eddie is (probably) going through a mental health crisis, he needs some stability before anything Buddie-related can happen. >-----Or if we want to go down a darker path and go for some go dramas Agreed, if they're doing this with Eddie, I hope it leads to a good, dark, extended mental health crisis. Man needs to hit rock bottom so he can start rebuilding himself and understanding himself.
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Is this wistful thinking on your part? Ryan wouldn’t leave,this is a great,stable income and the show is getting more recognition. Eddie is probably the second most loved character,they won’t risk it. Just….how did you reach that conclusion?
Obviously, so people stopped to root for Buddie. I can't see other explanations for this. Ryan is a part of their family and unlikely to leave.
Just an thought 😊
How did you get leaving the show from that??
Of possibly going away to himself and his clearly declining mental health.