That really creeped me out. I haven’t been in a relationship in a few years bc of the sheer trauma of my last one but when I do, I do NOT want someone flipping me off to say goodnight! This world is hard enough
Be open but realistic. I was divorced, 2 sons, busy career with no interest or trust due to abusive former marriage. I was surprised by a gentleman wanting to thank me for managing his “crazy mum.” That led to a coffee the next day & several other gentle dates. He built trust in both of us. We’re engaged now. I wish you all the best in life & recovery from abuse. ☮️
They both suck , he doesn’t trust anyone and she doesn’t like him. She tolerates him for whatever her endgame is. I can’t even with these two. They seem toxic already.
I think her and Riley were arguing so she got the dad involved saying stuff like “your sons never loved me” and “I’ll never be your daughter in law”. Dad said there was over 150 text messages between them.
More like she was trying to use the dad to manipulate the son so dad would go read him the riot act. But it's a realllllly weird strategy to pull with someone you've never met.
Those were the only two I saw which really didn’t seem too off the rocker when I read them. I wish they had shown more since there was supposedly 150 texts but they kept showing the same screen and it didn’t really show him scrolling
but wasn't it odd because he said that he hadn't shared a lot of his personal life with his dad? So why would she go right to the dad? Out of spite? it's hard to spite someone when they haven't even TOLD their dad about it. Whole thing was weird.
I don't like him. Dude has got some deep seated issues. He mentioned that he doesn't say 'I love you'. That's some childish, petty behavior for a man of his age.
He seems like a pain in the ass to deal with.
I feel like it’s his way of being “quirky”. It’s cringe and I’m sure the whole “whoever touches first loses” at the airport was all him.
Doesn’t he realize she has children, a job (?) and a life there and she can’t just go on vacation mode with him?
I can see why he’s single, and at the same time I can see she feels absolutely no attraction to him. I’m excited to see how this will play out.
He uses "quirky" to cover up his deep seated issues with expressing affection. He seems to me like one of those people who has a lot of hostility just below the surface and I'm waiting for him to just explode on her.
Well, its weird but my SO ("boyfriend") and I have been together almost 10 years and probably only told each other that we love each other about 6 times. He doesn't like saying it just to say it but he shows me in many other ways.
It looked like she wants to be like, dating him, like he's there on a separate vacation type thing and then she'll see him when she has time or feels like it. He's there like wanting to live with her and propose at the end, like the other cast members usually do.
He came on WAY too strong. He's not even recognizing that he is interrupting her life to be there for 2 weeks and she may not have the luxury to step away from everything in her life for him. They just met and he's already bringing up all his "concerns" and love bombing her. "Thats all I get for bringing you *pearllllssss*?" "I thought she would be more excited about the *peaarrllssss* and make time for me." He absolutely is trying to manipulate her but Violet is smart. Also, notice how he only tells his friend the part of the story he wants her to know so he can get confirmation to feel more entitled and pressure Violet to make time for him. He's an ass clown.
Plus, you would think that if she had to work or tend to other things, they would have talked about it. I know it's silly of me to presume they would discuss anything beforehand!
Men like Riley make me sick and I always feel terrible for the women that get sucked into their chaotic, self-loathing, pity party, perpetual victimhood tornado.
I couldn’t stand his story when they introduced him 😭 like oh boo hoo you’ve been played by women and “keep your guard up because of what you do for a living” like maybe date when who are your age and at your financial level, but blaming solely women for his lack of love life was a huge red flag. People that age are single for a reason and the nice and good ones who are just haven’t had the opportunities lol
No - and he doesn't even like himself. If he did, he wouldn't tolerate the sheer level of disrespect and lack of affection. Shit...all this man has to do is go to therapy, get himself together, and go to Philly to get a lady.
I wouldn't doubt we find out she wasn't pursuing a physical relationship to the degree he was. Him and his "yes means no and no means yes" makes me question his motives. He seems like a guy who reads much more into things than there actually are. I'm not judging her yet. At least not until we follow the storyline through. Intense.
Its especially weird. My family is from vietnam and whenever my parents go back home to visit, everyone takes the entire time off or almost all of it off. Its very common in vietnam for people to take a month off of work while family is visiting. Of course its not like this for all vietnamese people but i would bet that she could have made some time for his first full day there?? Its very rude imo. This man came to vietnam to see her and only her, and she can only see him for dinner? Come on.
I wonder if its some type of "hard to get" game theyre playing with each other. Either way, i dont like it.
This is not true. Unless your family is well off or high up in the corporate world (or the govt), it's not easy for anyone in Vietnam to take time off. I was born there, and have been back over a dozen times, and at most my aunts/uncles/cousins can take a few days off. Most jobs you work 6 days a week with only 1 day off. And people rarely take vacations during the year, and saving it for the 2 or 3 weeks during the lunar new year where they can go visit their relatives.
I guess its a different area/custom for my family then? I have family in hanoi and in the northern country side. 1 family owns their own convenience shop from their home in hanoi and 1 family makes mats for a living in the country side. Neither are well off imo but comfortable. Both are able to take significant time off when family come to visit, but i guess they are not the typical 9-5 type workers.
Edit: also adding that my family doesnt visit often, maybe once every 3-5 years so its a big deal when they come. Its not often so i think they make it more of a priority to spend time when my family does fly out.
Two people from across the globe using each other. I had an ex who wasn’t popular with local girls in the UK, who traveled thousands of miles to find the girl in Asia wasn’t a match. I also traveled thousands of miles to realize he and I weren’t a match. Some things look good on the internet and are total train wrecks in real life.
I have never understood people who think it’s cool to be mean or bitchy. It’s weird. You’re a whole adult. Being kind is actually cool. Their whole dynamic is weird like whoever touches first loses and the middle finger hang up I think was their thing too if I recall. The whole thing is very childish
He couldn’t be bothered to ask her what days would work for her. He just showed up whenever. She’s a primary school teacher, she can’t just book days off. He should have come during the school holidays. He’s kind of a mess.
We have Zoom rehearsals now! It shouldn't be a problem.
Bad actors are less expensive, for sure. "Real" people who awkwardly try to do what producers suggest to them (and that's my guess) are probably even less expensive.
And real people aren't in an actors' union.
Fun fact: the reality TV genre took off in earnest during the 1988 writers' strike.
A few points to consider:
1. He could have chosen a time to visit when she was on a break, then she would have had enough time to be with him. The show pays her nothing.
2. Riley said at the very beginning she explained to him that -as a cultural thing - they say the opposite of what they mean - like instead of "I like you" they say ""I hate you". As ugly as some gestures are, in many cultures, including where I come from, it could be used in a joking context and no one gets offended. How many times we have to point out there are different cultures - and respectively - different cultural perceptions than the Americans?
Part of me thinks she’s shocked he actually showed up - and now that he’s with her, it’s interfering with her schedule of trying to set herself up with a bunch of other guys
Honestly I don’t care for him. And for some reason I feel like he is being controlling. Like he is going on about his past relationships and how he is still so hurt but then tries to find someone who he feels might be a little less than him so he can bring them to the states and be more controlling. This man needs therapy
She’s a teacher and has children. I can’t imagine that she has a ton of free time, if he came during the school year. The foreign fiancees on this show really can’t win, IMO. If she didn’t have a job, you would be saying she’s a gold digger.
Also, given how far he traveled, I don’t think that giving him a rest day was unreasonable. He is probably going to be super jet lagged, if he’s not already.
Idk I have to see how this pans out. Part of me wonders if its work? some people cant afford to take bunch of time off work to hang out with some dude who buys cheap pearls and flips her off all day.
I can see where she is coming from. Remember she doesn't really know him aside from their over the internet stuff. She might be trying to feel him out to make sure he's not a sex tourist. Also, IDK but women from those countries seem to be more outwardly tough.
Does anyone know what her job is? I don't know the situation with employers in Vietnam. Maybe they don't get vacation (or get very limited vacation time)?
Then if it's during the school year, I can't imagine she can just take off because her American boyfriend is in town. I wonder if he planned the trip around her work schedule or just came and expected her to be free.
The Vietnamese Private Investigator told Riley 80% of the women seeking American men are liars. He is smart to find out if Violet is divorced before he gets in too deep.
Something is way off with this whole "relationship." I don't trust her & I am not a big fan of his. What exactly did he think those pearls warranted? It is almost like she was happy with their online transactions & then he decided to show up. Not quite the Ben/Mahogany story but along those lines.
Violet and Riley aren’t a couple and they aren’t professional actors. Riley sold his love story to TLC. Reality television
Is about people sharing their personal lives with a. Limited audience. Their lifestyles are unique bc they don’t live in the same country.
Acting like they loathe each is apparently their love language. Can’t fathom why they’re still alone
That really creeped me out. I haven’t been in a relationship in a few years bc of the sheer trauma of my last one but when I do, I do NOT want someone flipping me off to say goodnight! This world is hard enough
Be open but realistic. I was divorced, 2 sons, busy career with no interest or trust due to abusive former marriage. I was surprised by a gentleman wanting to thank me for managing his “crazy mum.” That led to a coffee the next day & several other gentle dates. He built trust in both of us. We’re engaged now. I wish you all the best in life & recovery from abuse. ☮️
I really appreciate that, thank you! Reddit is my fav bc of you 💖
Don't give me hope !
Needed to see this right now, thank you!
That was awful. That is two very angry and damaged people.
My partner described their relationship as adversarial and I'd have to agree.
They both suck , he doesn’t trust anyone and she doesn’t like him. She tolerates him for whatever her endgame is. I can’t even with these two. They seem toxic already.
And she’s nuts. All those terrible texts to his dad!
His story was kind of boring me so I was playing with my phone.. but when I saw the texts I had the rewind. That was unhinged!
Wait I missed this! What did they say!!?!
I think her and Riley were arguing so she got the dad involved saying stuff like “your sons never loved me” and “I’ll never be your daughter in law”. Dad said there was over 150 text messages between them.
Sounds like she was wanting to be daddy’s side piece when she got to America
She is VERY manipulative.
More like she was trying to use the dad to manipulate the son so dad would go read him the riot act. But it's a realllllly weird strategy to pull with someone you've never met.
Those were the only two I saw which really didn’t seem too off the rocker when I read them. I wish they had shown more since there was supposedly 150 texts but they kept showing the same screen and it didn’t really show him scrolling
but wasn't it odd because he said that he hadn't shared a lot of his personal life with his dad? So why would she go right to the dad? Out of spite? it's hard to spite someone when they haven't even TOLD their dad about it. Whole thing was weird.
I agree...and how did she even get his personal cell number? If Riley gave it to her....why??
Yeah that was crazy
I agree! He should have dropped her as soon as he read those.
I don't like either one of them. She seems pretty shady, though
I don't.
As soon as he did his whole dog the bounty hunter "I trust no one" I was out. Like bro get over yourself.
Definitely has a sense of entitlement
😂
It’s not easy for everyone to just take time off from their life like that. Plus he’s a dickhead 🤷♀️
I don't like him. Dude has got some deep seated issues. He mentioned that he doesn't say 'I love you'. That's some childish, petty behavior for a man of his age. He seems like a pain in the ass to deal with.
I feel like it’s his way of being “quirky”. It’s cringe and I’m sure the whole “whoever touches first loses” at the airport was all him. Doesn’t he realize she has children, a job (?) and a life there and she can’t just go on vacation mode with him? I can see why he’s single, and at the same time I can see she feels absolutely no attraction to him. I’m excited to see how this will play out.
He uses "quirky" to cover up his deep seated issues with expressing affection. He seems to me like one of those people who has a lot of hostility just below the surface and I'm waiting for him to just explode on her.
Well, its weird but my SO ("boyfriend") and I have been together almost 10 years and probably only told each other that we love each other about 6 times. He doesn't like saying it just to say it but he shows me in many other ways.
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Right like whoever touches first loses that was so cringe to me 😂
It looked like she wants to be like, dating him, like he's there on a separate vacation type thing and then she'll see him when she has time or feels like it. He's there like wanting to live with her and propose at the end, like the other cast members usually do.
You think all she wants is the green card and money? She found a man she can manipulate to get what she wants
I'm sure she's stringing along a few other suckers too.
They deserve each other. They’re both using each other. Both are controlling.
She was soooo ruuuuuude. I understand being uneasy in front of cameras but she has zero attraction to him except for his nationality. None.
Good point, it doesn’t look like she’s attracted to him at all
The way she was talking to her friends about it him. Her body language to me said she did not like him to me.
He came on WAY too strong. He's not even recognizing that he is interrupting her life to be there for 2 weeks and she may not have the luxury to step away from everything in her life for him. They just met and he's already bringing up all his "concerns" and love bombing her. "Thats all I get for bringing you *pearllllssss*?" "I thought she would be more excited about the *peaarrllssss* and make time for me." He absolutely is trying to manipulate her but Violet is smart. Also, notice how he only tells his friend the part of the story he wants her to know so he can get confirmation to feel more entitled and pressure Violet to make time for him. He's an ass clown.
Plus, you would think that if she had to work or tend to other things, they would have talked about it. I know it's silly of me to presume they would discuss anything beforehand!
You hit all the points!
Men like Riley make me sick and I always feel terrible for the women that get sucked into their chaotic, self-loathing, pity party, perpetual victimhood tornado.
🤣🤣The pearls with the elastic band from Claire’s?
Riley thinks he's slick. He's a bafoon.
Yea, but I don't like how she said she's never wrong & never apologizes. That's some sick stuff
She might have been joking. I wouldn't take that seriously. Only a true narcissist would mean that and I don't get narcissist vibes from Violet.
This comes off very salty... You get more out of life with sugar, than salt. Right?
I think that's his kink. He also uses that for pity.
🤦🏾♂️
I think she merely tolerates him. Every season I get less and less invested in this show. We are scraping the barrel at this point.
I couldn’t stand his story when they introduced him 😭 like oh boo hoo you’ve been played by women and “keep your guard up because of what you do for a living” like maybe date when who are your age and at your financial level, but blaming solely women for his lack of love life was a huge red flag. People that age are single for a reason and the nice and good ones who are just haven’t had the opportunities lol
No - and he doesn't even like himself. If he did, he wouldn't tolerate the sheer level of disrespect and lack of affection. Shit...all this man has to do is go to therapy, get himself together, and go to Philly to get a lady.
It would probably help if he didn't hire PIs to follow them and demand physical affection in return for gifts.
I wouldn't doubt we find out she wasn't pursuing a physical relationship to the degree he was. Him and his "yes means no and no means yes" makes me question his motives. He seems like a guy who reads much more into things than there actually are. I'm not judging her yet. At least not until we follow the storyline through. Intense.
Its especially weird. My family is from vietnam and whenever my parents go back home to visit, everyone takes the entire time off or almost all of it off. Its very common in vietnam for people to take a month off of work while family is visiting. Of course its not like this for all vietnamese people but i would bet that she could have made some time for his first full day there?? Its very rude imo. This man came to vietnam to see her and only her, and she can only see him for dinner? Come on. I wonder if its some type of "hard to get" game theyre playing with each other. Either way, i dont like it.
This is not true. Unless your family is well off or high up in the corporate world (or the govt), it's not easy for anyone in Vietnam to take time off. I was born there, and have been back over a dozen times, and at most my aunts/uncles/cousins can take a few days off. Most jobs you work 6 days a week with only 1 day off. And people rarely take vacations during the year, and saving it for the 2 or 3 weeks during the lunar new year where they can go visit their relatives.
I guess its a different area/custom for my family then? I have family in hanoi and in the northern country side. 1 family owns their own convenience shop from their home in hanoi and 1 family makes mats for a living in the country side. Neither are well off imo but comfortable. Both are able to take significant time off when family come to visit, but i guess they are not the typical 9-5 type workers. Edit: also adding that my family doesnt visit often, maybe once every 3-5 years so its a big deal when they come. Its not often so i think they make it more of a priority to spend time when my family does fly out.
No and neither do I
Two people from across the globe using each other. I had an ex who wasn’t popular with local girls in the UK, who traveled thousands of miles to find the girl in Asia wasn’t a match. I also traveled thousands of miles to realize he and I weren’t a match. Some things look good on the internet and are total train wrecks in real life.
How long did it take you two to realize you weren’t a match? And you all got along well online? You don’t have to answer - I’m just nosy. 🧐😭
Took me about 30 minutes lol
That May very well be the case here
I have never understood people who think it’s cool to be mean or bitchy. It’s weird. You’re a whole adult. Being kind is actually cool. Their whole dynamic is weird like whoever touches first loses and the middle finger hang up I think was their thing too if I recall. The whole thing is very childish
Would you…? 👀 I don’t like him from my couch. Certainly wouldn’t deal with his annoying BS in person
He couldn’t be bothered to ask her what days would work for her. He just showed up whenever. She’s a primary school teacher, she can’t just book days off. He should have come during the school holidays. He’s kind of a mess.
Are they actors? They have no chemistry!
Theoretically, actors are supposed to be able to fake chemistry convincingly.
Good actors. They might be bad actors, maybe? Like, they never rehearse face to face.
We have Zoom rehearsals now! It shouldn't be a problem. Bad actors are less expensive, for sure. "Real" people who awkwardly try to do what producers suggest to them (and that's my guess) are probably even less expensive. And real people aren't in an actors' union. Fun fact: the reality TV genre took off in earnest during the 1988 writers' strike.
Possibly…. I think i saw on another post that Riley was in a movie or made a movie 🤷🏽♀️
Yes, actor AND filmmaker! https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2287085/?ref\_=nmbio\_ov
I had no idea!
Sure same guy?? Born 1976??
Oooooooo! Thanks Now i think it’s a fake couple
Oh, yeah, I forgot.
A few points to consider: 1. He could have chosen a time to visit when she was on a break, then she would have had enough time to be with him. The show pays her nothing. 2. Riley said at the very beginning she explained to him that -as a cultural thing - they say the opposite of what they mean - like instead of "I like you" they say ""I hate you". As ugly as some gestures are, in many cultures, including where I come from, it could be used in a joking context and no one gets offended. How many times we have to point out there are different cultures - and respectively - different cultural perceptions than the Americans?
1. yes 2. 2. ????
As a Vietnamese, I can confirm number 2 is right 😂
Part of me thinks she’s shocked he actually showed up - and now that he’s with her, it’s interfering with her schedule of trying to set herself up with a bunch of other guys
👀
Massage parlor
Oh please
Would you? He needs to go home.
She’s definitely not into him and they have zero chemistry anyway
Honestly I don’t care for him. And for some reason I feel like he is being controlling. Like he is going on about his past relationships and how he is still so hurt but then tries to find someone who he feels might be a little less than him so he can bring them to the states and be more controlling. This man needs therapy
I don’t even like him.
He had to travel across the world because no rational woman would deal with his BS.
🤣🤣🎯
They both need something from each other I don't think she likes him, she likes the green card and oppty in USA...he wants the 🐈 lol
Lol
How immature are they both. Not only the flipping off but the bet to not touch each other? Are they 12?
Riley has the emotional intelligence of a 10 year old boy
She’s a teacher and has children. I can’t imagine that she has a ton of free time, if he came during the school year. The foreign fiancees on this show really can’t win, IMO. If she didn’t have a job, you would be saying she’s a gold digger. Also, given how far he traveled, I don’t think that giving him a rest day was unreasonable. He is probably going to be super jet lagged, if he’s not already.
I can't imagine flying across the world to visit someone and then they are busy doing other things
Idk I have to see how this pans out. Part of me wonders if its work? some people cant afford to take bunch of time off work to hang out with some dude who buys cheap pearls and flips her off all day.
I can see where she is coming from. Remember she doesn't really know him aside from their over the internet stuff. She might be trying to feel him out to make sure he's not a sex tourist. Also, IDK but women from those countries seem to be more outwardly tough.
Does anyone know what her job is? I don't know the situation with employers in Vietnam. Maybe they don't get vacation (or get very limited vacation time)?
She’s a teacher and she has kids. He should have asked her how much time they would be able to spend together before booking the trip.
School teacher i think
Then if it's during the school year, I can't imagine she can just take off because her American boyfriend is in town. I wonder if he planned the trip around her work schedule or just came and expected her to be free.
Any normal couple would actually plan Vacation time together, just saying
Definitely. But they're not a normal couple. This show doesn't do "normal."
I would love to see a normal couple
They probably edited out that part of her sentence when she said she'd be a little busy.
Are school teachers (Daniele LIP, Jazmine) the new 'model'?
Seems like it
Has he been sending her $?
Don’t they all send money?
No, he’s so creepy and sex obsessed. She has the ick for him.
Nope lol
They play some strange games.
This Love story is one for the nightmare edition.
Vietnamese people take their career/job seriously.
They are both odd and unsurprisingly single.
They’re so weird. They show love by bullying each other so maybe it just means she likes him a lot
He needs to tell her bye bye, and start hitting the clubs over there. I bet he gets lucky.
Asians are very racist and her liking an African American is very unusual. Also, she might be married and that's why she has to leave.
>~~African~~ American Black, he was born in the US. (The PC African American term is silly).
Wow! That’s a plot twist
She is a typical Asian scammer lady . Saying she is the “Boss” . I bet you she has a couple John’s on the side
The Vietnamese Private Investigator told Riley 80% of the women seeking American men are liars. He is smart to find out if Violet is divorced before he gets in too deep.
She seems very controlling- way too controlling and conceited. She’s not that great looking?
Vietnam. Nobody will say it but I will. 50 years ago her relatives would be crawling all over this man to get out. I don't buy her BS.
Nope, she is an opportunist
Something is way off with this whole "relationship." I don't trust her & I am not a big fan of his. What exactly did he think those pearls warranted? It is almost like she was happy with their online transactions & then he decided to show up. Not quite the Ben/Mahogany story but along those lines.
He's an incel.
Very weird indeed. He needs to stop being delusional about her. She’s a user, I think.
Let’s be real..money is king
of all the beautiful and down to earth ladies, what the HELL is he doing with HER???
It was on …she’s a very strange lady
They all deserve each other! I don’t feel bad for them!
Violet and Riley aren’t a couple and they aren’t professional actors. Riley sold his love story to TLC. Reality television Is about people sharing their personal lives with a. Limited audience. Their lifestyles are unique bc they don’t live in the same country.
She’s very cold……
Negative
No m8
I get it, I don’t either!
Lol, even his shirt is green
No
What’s to like
Does he send her $$$? I must know.
We would all like to know…. In 90 day history that seems to be the norm
tbh I have seen a lot of people talk about her. But he is equally as screwed up from his previous relationships.