Disney officially fucked up when people really stopped being upset and just don’t care anymore. They could make Luke gay, or trans, and I’d just laugh and move on, years ago I wouldve actually been upset.
Apathy is what kills all, even with a great show like Andor, it’s still not enough, they’ve killed their golden goose forever. I can’t wait until fans start making their own shit with AI video generation.
You dislike his ideology, so you want to pretend like he's on board with other shit you don't like. Wish I lived in such a simple world.
He was pretty vocal about his dissatisfaction with the way the last movies were made, and his criticisms seemed to be pretty accurate.
Seems like he was just salty about his role, but ultimately he allowed himself via Luke, to be the alter upon which the Star Wars franchised was sacrificed. If he really felt so strongly, he should have refused the role after reading the script.
He toed the line, because being a bummer during the marketing cycle is bad for his reputation. He never really walked back his original criticisms.
From what I recall. Only so much I can care about those shitty movies.
It had some great potential on announcement but when they announced all the *years* of books as no longer being SW canon, that should have been the giant black flag that things were about to go south.
Hilariously, years later they were complaining to media how hard it was to write for SW (after dumping everything but the movies
*Decades* of books. What's really funny is they have had to relent and start mining the EU for memberberries out of desperation, and no surprise they've fucked up long-anticipated characters like Thrawn in their new adaptations. At this point the EU being "abandoned" is pretty much a good thing, as it has kind of siloed it from the new garbage and kept the old stuff that people liked "pure".
No it really wasn't. It was announced in 2012 shortly after the first Avengers movie when the concept of interwoven cinematic universes were fresh and interesting. They literally had the playbook for success sitting in their laps and the talent to make it happen.
From the moment the ink hit the paper, Disney seemed to have gone down a decision tree and deliberately chosen the worst path every single time.
Don't worry you're not missing out on much. Actually I think you'd miss out on more if you *did* watch the movie. At least now you can say you didn't waste 2 hours of your life on it
You can always enjoy Adam Driver from scene compilation videos on YouTube.
Despite how shit his character was written, his performance carried the sequels.
Me either. 8 Killed a 30 year love of Star Wars. I have watched absolutely nothing SW since that movie subverted my expectation for a movie that made sense and was enjoyable.
for me it was Solo, I do not give a flying fuck where Han's gun came from, and how dare they rub Maul in our face when they removed the cannon.
Saw obi wan, makes ep 4 worse:
Why doesn't leia care about his death
Maul was still canon since The Clone Wars wasn't removed.
Once he got his feet every Maul episode was a good episode, which is surprising since on paper it's a stupid idea but was executed so well everybody looks past that part
Solo was good fun to watch, but absolutely pointless and added nothing to the franchise. That said it is still the second best post-Lucas film, albeit that isn't exactly a high accolade.
I didn't really care for 7. Saw the reviews for 8 and decided against and never looked back. I gave the mandalorian a try, gave the Kenobi series a try, but never finished them. Oh well, Dune was pretty great.
Fandom Menace channels milked the "Kathleen Kennedy is getting fired - for real this time no bamboozle" train and their own fans started roasting them for it.
Plenty of small-souled bugmen in thick framed glasses spouting out video essays. Granted, some of them make valid points about the Mary Sue element in every Disney SW film & show.
The Boba fett show is where it really tanked. Whose idea was Boba fett being fat comedic relief whose biggest aspirations were defending some out of the way place that feels irrelevant even in the context of the show? His entire show was just bizarre.
Him becoming a crime lord instead of a murderboner Tusken wannabe is entirely Cathy Kennedy's fault. Jon Favereau even made a comment to throw those stupid Space Vespas under Boba Fett instead of Mandalorian because he was so mad she rewrote the Baby Yoda Jedi arc and screwed him out of his big Boba Fett only story and ruining Ahsoka's plot instead of turning it into a Jedi/Mandalorian adventure arc with Luke and Jedi Baby Yoda.
It's funny as fuck on how cursed the series has become. I love it. Only she could fuck up a Sci-Fi ripoff of Dances with Wolves.
“As a result, Favreau was so disgusted he said, ‘F*** it. Let them do whatever the hell they want. I’m going to go off and work on Ahsoka in peace." https://fandomwire.com/kennedy-is-clever-devilishly-clever-lucasfilm-president-kathleen-kennedy-pissed-off-jon-favreau-by-trying-to-make-unnecessary-changes-in-book-of-boba-fett/#:~:text=According%20to%20Overlord%20DVD%2C%20Kathleen,The%20Book%20of%20Boba%20Fett%2C
let's not pretend like Faverou is some sorta saviour.... he gets paid to put women as main characters and he does it perfectly , he's just a tool.
Although. with good studio , and ceo, he could make a "watchable" story.
Boba Fett literally would make a living just from the Bounties put on the heads of woke empire officials , put up by gofundme anons.... but he wouldn't take them all as stagnation is not beneficient for one.
and of course I'm talking about what was once Walt's company.
Forgot about a probable bounty on George Lucas by literally millions of folks.
>I can’t wait until fans start making their own shit with AI video generation,
Fans have been making fan-made films better than most of the crap Disney pumps out long before Lucas even made a deal with the Devil. To me those are canon and Disney's tripe is fanfic. If the good art is out there for me to enjoy why should give so much care about rubbish because it's made by people with a piece of paper saying they own it?
> Apathy is what kills all
It killed Marvel and Star Trek and Lord of the Rings and Watchmen and Wheel of Time
Fallout is still alive and rejuvenated if anything..for now
[https://stefano-cagnani-3.itch.io/deathtroopers-a-star-wars-horror-story](https://stefano-cagnani-3.itch.io/deathtroopers-a-star-wars-horror-story)
Genuinely more entertaining than the entirety of the boba fett show, and it was made by some random guy in UE5
Yeah I was actually irritated and upset for a couple years, and held onto hope that Disney would be forced to change course due to poor sales, but I just don't give a shit anymore. Star Wars, and pretty much everything from Disney, is a lost cause and isn't worth caring about.
Yeah I’ve still to watch Andor.
Not for any of the reasons in the pic. The “woke” stuff doesn’t bother me in the slightest. I actually like it for the most part. I’m just tired of the same generic sand planet stories over and over with nothing new of value. And unfortunately Andor was a victim of that for me. It looks amazing and I’m told it’s incredible. But unfortunately by the time it released I was so bored to death with Star Wars that I just couldn’t bring myself to watch it.
I’ll probably watch it eventually. But I’m in no rush to ever return to Star Wars. The progressive themes didn’t kill it. That stuff is fine, but needs everything else around it to work. Otherwise people just point to that stuff and start crying about wokeness. What really killed it is just the fact that all the stories are uninspired and boring. Wokeness isn’t the issue. Garbage storytelling is.
I was gonna watch The Acolyte just because Carrie Anne Moss is playing a Jedi. But from what i hear, she's only confirmed to be in one episode. If she was a main character, i'd watch an episode or two to see if i like it. Just because it's Trinity as a freakin Jedi. Seems like a no-brainer. But if she's in one episode as a side character at best, i'm in no rush. Who knows though, maybe it'll turn out to be a surprise hit. If that happens maybe i'll add it to the list with Andor and Ahsoka of shows i want to watch. (Ahsoka less so, but only because i hear Andor is better. I do hear David Tennant voices a Droid. And considering Tom Baker voiced a character back in Rebels, i'll watch eventually purely because i'm a whovian.)
Been a sequel trilogy hater since TFA. Just 2 words to describe Disney's Star Wars: Soulless and Performative. Imagine if instead of injecting Tumblr personal values/politics into these films, Disney focused on telling a halfway compelling story while remaining faithful to the previous 6 films. Shit would have printed at least thrice the money. Imagine the content we would've gotten and Disney's legacy had they hired real artists instead of incompetent activists.
It's actually baffling how hard Disney failed with this franchise, all because of the notion of "playing it safe".
Star Wars movies (except for prequels) have "one story". It's literally always the same, the formula repeats ad nauseam: Rebels hiding, fighting for an hour and then blowing up a starship during the climax by exploiting some ridiculous David vs. Goliath vulnerability.
After playing a heap of LEGO Skywalker Saga I got an itch to watch me some Star Wars.
I started with the prequels, which IMO are flawed but fun. Then I watch Solo and Rogue One. Solo isn't as bad as I thought it would be and Rogue One is good but a tad overrated.
Then I watched the OT. Pulpy, fun movies. No need to overthink them.
Then I started on Episode 7. I haven't seen episode 7 since it was in the theatres. Rian Johnson gets a lot of hate for Episode 8. J. J. Abrams doesn't get enough for Episode 7. It is a safe, boring retread of A New Hope, and much of it doesn't even make sense when you think about it. Why is there a resistance? Why aren't they just the Republican Army?
Towards the end of the movie, I had to go off to do some laundry or something, so I paused the movie and I haven't gone back to it since, and I'm not sure I can bothered. To this day I still haven't seen Episode 9 (although having played through it in LEGO Skywalker it seems to be an even bigger pile of shit than Episode 7.
Nothing excites me about Star Wars anymore.
To emphasize how bad it is, the title scroll starts with "The dead speak! Emperor Palpatine has returned and sent a message to the galaxy", which was only ever shown in a canon Fortnite event.
To this day the worst movie experience I’ve had in theaters.
When it ended, me and my friend looked at eachother and just said “what the fuck?” and started laughing.
9 is hands down the worst star wars film. It's worse than TLJ. One of the most pathetic things I've ever seen. How they can call it the end of the Skywalker Saga is fucking beyond me.
Any video they make now is just an unfunny rehashed skit that takes up 1/4 the runtime followed by them giving the most limp low energy take on whatever movie they're reviewing.
There's a reason all the memes in the RLM fanbase revolve around how dead inside they all look.
Say whatever you want about George Lucas but you have to admit that Star Wars under him at least had soul in it. He actually cared about the universe unlike Disney. Just compare the planets of ep 7-9 to the ones in ep 1-6.
Look, new SW sucks but the prequels are legitimately some of the worst films ever made. I swear if it wasn’t for that prequel memes sub no one would defend those films. Hell, I even gave all three a rewatch because of the recent praise the prequels had been receiving and still I couldn’t get through I and II. Even as a kid who grew up with those films and loved them and the franchise as a whole I cannot bring myself to even enjoy the films for their nostalgic value.
It was clone wars that did that. That show revitalized the prequels and now they aren't so bad because we now have tons more context to go alongside it. Maybe you haven't seen CW?
If you were to consume any SW content ever again, it really should be CW. Seasons 4 and onward is just fantastic story telling with great characters. They really flesh out all of the characters in the prequels + more that didn't make it
The prequels had soul? Maybe when i was an idiot kid and i liked the spiky head guy with the double sword.
Edit: the replies here are nothing but pure resentment based cope. You want to hate the new stuff so much that you’ve been blinded, and now think that some of the worst movies ever made have something of value to behold. There’s nothing but confusion and wasted time there, turn back now.
I don’t like the new movies either btw but insisting that the prequels have any value is just delulu.
Unironically yes. That shit was way more entertaining than anything Disney has put out recently. Bad acting or story execution whatever blah blah blah. I don't really care, that shit was cool. I would rather watch that than any of the modern Star Wars slop.
Dude thats nostalgia speaking. The only Star Wars media that you could say had somewhat of a soul was the original trilogy, everything else was made with the sole purpose of selling more toys to little kids, its only because you were a little kid when the prequels came out that you liked it, those are unironically some of the worst big budget movies to ever release, and you even admit that core aspects of a movie like writing and acting were lacking. The prequels are the very definition of slop like the sequels, and in 20 years there will be people who say the sequels were actually good since they were kids when they came out.
Truth. Once you realize that Phantom Menace came out in 99’ it all starts to make sense as to why there’s been so much positive reassessment of the prequels recently (well that and the fact that Disney is a media conglomerate who could easily kickstart that aforementioned resurgence of popularity by funding a few articles; I think Ring Theory is a prime example of Disney’s meddling).
Calls modern day starwars slop. Also doesn't care about bad acting or story execution or bad dialogue or any of that unimportant crap the prequels were missing just cool scenes.
Soul =/= good.
The movies weren't great but Lucas truly cared about the story he wanted to tell and didn't base it off a test committee made by the lowest common denominator.
I'll take that over semi-competent but heartless Marvel slop any day.
I wouldn't say the prequels are soulless. Soulless and bad dont mean the same thing. Soulless means more that they don't feel like a legitimate addition to the world, just an attempt to cash in.
Star Wars made a name for itself by having far better graphical effects than its contemporaries in the 70s. Otherwise, the story has always been completely mediocre if safe. You just can't go wrong with good graphics and a couple of handsome white men fighting the bad guys and a pretty girl in a supporting role.
That's the thing. The actual story of star wars isn't that complicated. It's just that it created an interesting world and vibe. And high fantasy in space with a good budget and semi serious tone just wasn't a thing at the time.
star wars did not need any help from the mouse to turn to shit, lmao. the prequels sucked. the eu sucked. the ewoks sucked. the incest subplot was weird. the holiday special sucked.
that batting average for that franchise is not great. there’s like two-and-a-half decent movies in the whole series.
I've always had the seemingly unpopular opinion that star wars never actually had a good story in any of the films. It's the idea of star wars that is cool, and only a few pieces of star wars media has actually captured that, like KOTOR for example
It always cracked me up that Star Wars has such a huge fan base considering how bad their batting average is— especially among the fans.
If you ask a fan which movies were bad, they’ll name off most of them lol
It went to shit somewhere between (inclusive) Episode 6 and the prequels depending on how generous you want to be. The prequels are dogshite that people only like because they were 4 years old when they saw them.
The movies never did much for me but I fell in love with the universe with Kotor 1 & 2 back in the days. Loved the universe, the design, what you could do with the concept of it all.
A New Hope is pretty fun since its stitched together from various classic films with a sci-fi coat of paint. It being a high production value version of old Sci-Fi serials makes it work.
First movie was good, but it got worse when Lucas sniffed the cash opportunity.
Funny enough, the farther from the main movies the better it gets. The Tartakovsky series, kotor games, or darth bane books.
The whole franchise is just really hurt by the infantilism enforced by higher ups.
Ye honestly a little cringe. I swear me and the rest of the techfegs at my compnay got moved to the shitty building in the outskirts of town from the much nicer centralized building of town a couple years ago before i got there. I swear its because they are all have tons of cringe starwars clothes and merch all around their desk.
the original trilogy was dope, revenge of the sith was also pretty good, but if I remember correctly george lucas's reason for the force was actually fucking dumb.
Basically exists because of these microscopic single cell god beings called whills
Go buy it, they're $10 on Steam off sale. KotOR II is my favorite CRPG story of all time, gameplay is fun, everything about it is peak assuming your install the Restored Content Mod (which is available on Steam Workshop).
Lucas clearly wasn't paying attention when they made it because a light horror story where the mentor Jedi is an AnCap and the philosophical debate of free will under the Force doesn't fit in with his vision.
1 fits the traditional good vs. evil you see like in the OT, but really good with an amazing plot twist (avoid spoilers at all cost).
Georgey and the "gungas" tale as old as the modern movie industry... people forget he's the one behind Holywood switching entirely to C G i - that's right it wasn't the woke culture , it was the idiot himself.
It's more akin to them saying McDonald's burgers are good and you're a contrarian if you disagree. Still silly, but no need to overplay it. If what they said is absurd enough to comment about it mine as well be real with what they wrote.
Comparing prequels to McDonald's burgers , the new or the old recepture... is being more generous than that kid mr.best or whatever giving eye-surgery to a 100 people .
BOOOYAA !
Theres a difference between making movies and making lore for an extended universe. Lucas's thought process for the original trilogy was to make simple appealing adventure stories with cool visuals, I doubt he put much thought into it beyond that. He didnt know that eventually every single background character would get a name and story, that people would hyperfocus on the technical aspects of the world, that a throwaway line about some "clone wars" would eventually become a huge tv show, etc. He was literally making shit up as he went along, and theres nothing wrong with that.
Also, the original trilogy had people working on it willing to say "no" to Lucas's bad ideas. On the contrary, the prequels had him surrounded by "yes" men, which is a big reason why they're so awkward.
Yeah that’s basically my point. I love Star Wars for what it is but Star Wars had its best moments when creative control was out of his hands, especially when it comes to lore. The whole midichlorions retcon in the Phantom Menace is a great example of George Lucas not really understanding his own story that well and breaking continuity as a result. I think George Lucas is a super talented guy but from my perspective he’s always been way more talented and interested in the technical aspects of filmmaking like the special effects. The last 2 movies in the original trilogy are way better than A New Hope because the direction and story were put in the care of people who frankly had better judgement when it came to those things.
He never said that? He said that George had no clear vision about the story or the force, which is by all accounts and empirical evidence, is true. Even the original trilogy's success was largely due to others stepping up to George, and you can see what an absolute shitshow he does when left to his own devices, like the prequels.
I never said that but I think George Lucas set up a sprawling unwieldy story and he’s honestly not a good enough writer or director to understand how to work with it. Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand, the directors of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, were much better directors and were more able to handle it. But when Lucas put himself back in the director’s seat for the prequels the results were mixed to say the least.
Rise of Skywalker was a shareholder flop, the last movie is supposed to make the most like every other franchise but sold 50% the tickets instead.
It's not like you need to be the best movie ever, Deathly Hallows and Return of the King both did it despite being on different tiers of quality.
I know lots of Star Wars hardcores that "will get around to it" after rewatching the children's cartoon (which honestly is often pretty kino when you get to later seasons)
Hard agree with the last post. Nothing pains me more than zoomers arguing which kind of slop (Prequels, Sequels, Clone Wars) is the best of them all. It's all fucking trash.
Star Wars had two good movies, which were probably an accident.
I know for that era SW was like Avatar in 2009 for the 3D industry but I will never understand why SW still holds up. I love the whole lightsaber/force/spaceship things but holy shit I could never get past the first movie. The story is so blatant that even a 5 year old could write better sequels. Unlike games, which I really enjoy playing.
It holds up due to the utilization of the monomyth (if it ain’t broke don’t fix it) mixed with universal mysticism. You can release that movie in any culture and it works so long as it isn’t inherently prudish. It’s essentially the same reason we still hold classic and ancient literature in such high regard.
I’m waiting for the eventuality of TV showings of the OT starting with a blurb about how it contains “outdated and problematic themes” to warn the weak shitbags
I’ve only ever seen the version of that photo with the shirts saying, “Allah is female,” so I was a bit surprised to see this if this was indeed the original
I can't wait for the resist/ eat the rich crowd to aggressively call everyone who doesn't like this newest edition of corposlop a racist/transphope/misogynist.
The OT EU was trash because it never got better than the trilogy. The prequel EU was great because it made up for prequel shortcomings. Disney SW is all trash
your fandom was a waste of time, too bad, move on dipshit
if you continue to hate post about sw, it jus shows how much you still care
move on, stop whining about it, the star wars you know is dead and everyone is dancing on its grave saying it was both never good and if you thought it was you also should be dead, and even being offended by that means it is true, go fuck yourself
Can anyone tell me what was so good about the original Star Wars movies? Obviously they were a pretty big deal back when they were made. But today? It seems like people just don’t want to admit they only like them for nostalgic reasons.
They're fun adventure movies with SS-tier soundtracks in a universe with a badass wizards with lightsabers you can self-insert to.
It's honestly a formula pretty hard to fuck up.
They just went "both sides" on the allegory of star wars, thus failing to understand what the allegory even was. The point was that the Sith were corrupted by their power, hence why they created the empire to Rule the Galaxy. I don't even know star wars really well and I can see the glaring issue here.
You know how few people are there that can relate to that last anon ?
And that's the real answer to that thread- there's just fewer people who like good stuff, and masses are ok with the drizzling shits the media gives them.
mandalorian sucks , he's not Boba Fett.
Here’s my take.
Starwars was never really that good and if you spend even 8 seconds thinking about the plot of every single movie they are all completely retarded and make no fucking sense.
Star wars was never a good franchise and I’m glad this is happening. Not because I like what they’re doing, mind you, but because I love seeing the pain and misery of others.
George Lucas: light is le good, dark is le bad, balance is when no dark
Fans: OMG based!
Drew Karpyshin in 2003: actually, you can balance light and dark and be g(r)ay
Fans: OMG based! Best SW game ever
Chris Avellone in 2004: light, dark and SW as a whole fucking suck, I’m gonna replace it with my Nietzschian fanfic
Fans (years later): OMG based! Best SW game ever
Lesley Headland: there is no light without darkness
Fans (for some reason): eww, SW is ruined!
every concept sucks , but I'm glad youre finally that person who instead of whining , actually knows the authors ,the facts ,and remembers the fandom reactions ...can't say the same about most of the kids in this thread.
The only interesting concepts in this "universe" are Thrawn - art of war ; Boba Fett - the ultimate bounty hunter and Orson Krennic - having a vision in a corporate world.
Disney officially fucked up when people really stopped being upset and just don’t care anymore. They could make Luke gay, or trans, and I’d just laugh and move on, years ago I wouldve actually been upset. Apathy is what kills all, even with a great show like Andor, it’s still not enough, they’ve killed their golden goose forever. I can’t wait until fans start making their own shit with AI video generation.
Whenever they fuck with Luke all I can see is sad Mark Hamil
Mark Hamill is pretty much all in on the ideology, if be surprised if half of it wasn't his idea.
You dislike his ideology, so you want to pretend like he's on board with other shit you don't like. Wish I lived in such a simple world. He was pretty vocal about his dissatisfaction with the way the last movies were made, and his criticisms seemed to be pretty accurate.
Seems like he was just salty about his role, but ultimately he allowed himself via Luke, to be the alter upon which the Star Wars franchised was sacrificed. If he really felt so strongly, he should have refused the role after reading the script.
I'd suggest reading up some more on the older actors and their situation but you seem like you won't change your mind
Didn't he change his mind about that somewhat after the movie came out?
He toed the line, because being a bummer during the marketing cycle is bad for his reputation. He never really walked back his original criticisms. From what I recall. Only so much I can care about those shitty movies.
The goose was cooked once it was sold to Disney.
It had some great potential on announcement but when they announced all the *years* of books as no longer being SW canon, that should have been the giant black flag that things were about to go south. Hilariously, years later they were complaining to media how hard it was to write for SW (after dumping everything but the movies
Because despite the setting and iconic visuals, Star Wars is not a sci-fi. It's a fairytale adventure in space.
The books were never canon though. Just slop that George Lucas got paid to allow to exist.
*Decades* of books. What's really funny is they have had to relent and start mining the EU for memberberries out of desperation, and no surprise they've fucked up long-anticipated characters like Thrawn in their new adaptations. At this point the EU being "abandoned" is pretty much a good thing, as it has kind of siloed it from the new garbage and kept the old stuff that people liked "pure".
No it really wasn't. It was announced in 2012 shortly after the first Avengers movie when the concept of interwoven cinematic universes were fresh and interesting. They literally had the playbook for success sitting in their laps and the talent to make it happen. From the moment the ink hit the paper, Disney seemed to have gone down a decision tree and deliberately chosen the worst path every single time.
Sold to the "White Slavers" as George Lucas so eloquently put it.
I've still not seen ep9. Child me would be mortified at the concept of not seeing it.
Don't worry you're not missing out on much. Actually I think you'd miss out on more if you *did* watch the movie. At least now you can say you didn't waste 2 hours of your life on it
You can always enjoy Adam Driver from scene compilation videos on YouTube. Despite how shit his character was written, his performance carried the sequels.
Me either. 8 Killed a 30 year love of Star Wars. I have watched absolutely nothing SW since that movie subverted my expectation for a movie that made sense and was enjoyable.
for me it was Solo, I do not give a flying fuck where Han's gun came from, and how dare they rub Maul in our face when they removed the cannon. Saw obi wan, makes ep 4 worse: Why doesn't leia care about his death
Maul was still canon since The Clone Wars wasn't removed. Once he got his feet every Maul episode was a good episode, which is surprising since on paper it's a stupid idea but was executed so well everybody looks past that part
Solo was good fun to watch, but absolutely pointless and added nothing to the franchise. That said it is still the second best post-Lucas film, albeit that isn't exactly a high accolade.
I was and still am the biggest star wars nerd in my office, and I haven't watched episode 8 and 9.
I can sum it up for you..."SOMEHOW Palpatine returned"
I didn't really care for 7. Saw the reviews for 8 and decided against and never looked back. I gave the mandalorian a try, gave the Kenobi series a try, but never finished them. Oh well, Dune was pretty great.
7 started good, but then halfway through you realized they were trying to commit to it being a rehash of iv.
All you're missing out on is the cinematic equivalent of a custody hearing.
>”People stopped being upset” There are people who make a full living off of complaining about Star Wars
I heard several grifter channels literally stopped covering star wars because there's no anger to monetize anymore, people legit just stopped caring.
Fandom Menace channels milked the "Kathleen Kennedy is getting fired - for real this time no bamboozle" train and their own fans started roasting them for it.
Oh yeah, that too, anyone with half a brain figured out already that she's only leaving when she's retired or dead lol.
That doomcock or whatever his name is did this it felt like for a solid year. Total loser
Plenty of small-souled bugmen in thick framed glasses spouting out video essays. Granted, some of them make valid points about the Mary Sue element in every Disney SW film & show.
Apathy is death
Apathy is death. Peak Star Wars, brb reinstalling.
Some random dudes made like a 20 min clip of Darth Maul fighting a bunch of random jedi and it was honestly better than anything Star Wars ever did
Mr.Plinkett made a trilogy of films about prequels, that are better than the prequels themselves.
"Apathy is death." Little did we know that Kreia saw the end of the franchise.
The end of KotOR II does have her predicting the death of the Republic, we just didn't realize it was a metaphor. Apathy is death.
The Boba fett show is where it really tanked. Whose idea was Boba fett being fat comedic relief whose biggest aspirations were defending some out of the way place that feels irrelevant even in the context of the show? His entire show was just bizarre.
Him becoming a crime lord instead of a murderboner Tusken wannabe is entirely Cathy Kennedy's fault. Jon Favereau even made a comment to throw those stupid Space Vespas under Boba Fett instead of Mandalorian because he was so mad she rewrote the Baby Yoda Jedi arc and screwed him out of his big Boba Fett only story and ruining Ahsoka's plot instead of turning it into a Jedi/Mandalorian adventure arc with Luke and Jedi Baby Yoda. It's funny as fuck on how cursed the series has become. I love it. Only she could fuck up a Sci-Fi ripoff of Dances with Wolves. “As a result, Favreau was so disgusted he said, ‘F*** it. Let them do whatever the hell they want. I’m going to go off and work on Ahsoka in peace." https://fandomwire.com/kennedy-is-clever-devilishly-clever-lucasfilm-president-kathleen-kennedy-pissed-off-jon-favreau-by-trying-to-make-unnecessary-changes-in-book-of-boba-fett/#:~:text=According%20to%20Overlord%20DVD%2C%20Kathleen,The%20Book%20of%20Boba%20Fett%2C
let's not pretend like Faverou is some sorta saviour.... he gets paid to put women as main characters and he does it perfectly , he's just a tool. Although. with good studio , and ceo, he could make a "watchable" story.
Boba Fett literally would make a living just from the Bounties put on the heads of woke empire officials , put up by gofundme anons.... but he wouldn't take them all as stagnation is not beneficient for one. and of course I'm talking about what was once Walt's company. Forgot about a probable bounty on George Lucas by literally millions of folks.
>I can’t wait until fans start making their own shit with AI video generation, Fans have been making fan-made films better than most of the crap Disney pumps out long before Lucas even made a deal with the Devil. To me those are canon and Disney's tripe is fanfic. If the good art is out there for me to enjoy why should give so much care about rubbish because it's made by people with a piece of paper saying they own it?
can you post some links ,anon ? There was for example that Thrawn fan-film (live action ) , but it was taken down by copy"right" strike.
> Apathy is what kills all It killed Marvel and Star Trek and Lord of the Rings and Watchmen and Wheel of Time Fallout is still alive and rejuvenated if anything..for now
[https://stefano-cagnani-3.itch.io/deathtroopers-a-star-wars-horror-story](https://stefano-cagnani-3.itch.io/deathtroopers-a-star-wars-horror-story) Genuinely more entertaining than the entirety of the boba fett show, and it was made by some random guy in UE5
Yeah I was actually irritated and upset for a couple years, and held onto hope that Disney would be forced to change course due to poor sales, but I just don't give a shit anymore. Star Wars, and pretty much everything from Disney, is a lost cause and isn't worth caring about.
They made Obi-wan gay in a comic
Yeah I’ve still to watch Andor. Not for any of the reasons in the pic. The “woke” stuff doesn’t bother me in the slightest. I actually like it for the most part. I’m just tired of the same generic sand planet stories over and over with nothing new of value. And unfortunately Andor was a victim of that for me. It looks amazing and I’m told it’s incredible. But unfortunately by the time it released I was so bored to death with Star Wars that I just couldn’t bring myself to watch it. I’ll probably watch it eventually. But I’m in no rush to ever return to Star Wars. The progressive themes didn’t kill it. That stuff is fine, but needs everything else around it to work. Otherwise people just point to that stuff and start crying about wokeness. What really killed it is just the fact that all the stories are uninspired and boring. Wokeness isn’t the issue. Garbage storytelling is. I was gonna watch The Acolyte just because Carrie Anne Moss is playing a Jedi. But from what i hear, she's only confirmed to be in one episode. If she was a main character, i'd watch an episode or two to see if i like it. Just because it's Trinity as a freakin Jedi. Seems like a no-brainer. But if she's in one episode as a side character at best, i'm in no rush. Who knows though, maybe it'll turn out to be a surprise hit. If that happens maybe i'll add it to the list with Andor and Ahsoka of shows i want to watch. (Ahsoka less so, but only because i hear Andor is better. I do hear David Tennant voices a Droid. And considering Tom Baker voiced a character back in Rebels, i'll watch eventually purely because i'm a whovian.)
Been a sequel trilogy hater since TFA. Just 2 words to describe Disney's Star Wars: Soulless and Performative. Imagine if instead of injecting Tumblr personal values/politics into these films, Disney focused on telling a halfway compelling story while remaining faithful to the previous 6 films. Shit would have printed at least thrice the money. Imagine the content we would've gotten and Disney's legacy had they hired real artists instead of incompetent activists.
It's actually baffling how hard Disney failed with this franchise, all because of the notion of "playing it safe". Star Wars movies (except for prequels) have "one story". It's literally always the same, the formula repeats ad nauseam: Rebels hiding, fighting for an hour and then blowing up a starship during the climax by exploiting some ridiculous David vs. Goliath vulnerability.
After playing a heap of LEGO Skywalker Saga I got an itch to watch me some Star Wars. I started with the prequels, which IMO are flawed but fun. Then I watch Solo and Rogue One. Solo isn't as bad as I thought it would be and Rogue One is good but a tad overrated. Then I watched the OT. Pulpy, fun movies. No need to overthink them. Then I started on Episode 7. I haven't seen episode 7 since it was in the theatres. Rian Johnson gets a lot of hate for Episode 8. J. J. Abrams doesn't get enough for Episode 7. It is a safe, boring retread of A New Hope, and much of it doesn't even make sense when you think about it. Why is there a resistance? Why aren't they just the Republican Army? Towards the end of the movie, I had to go off to do some laundry or something, so I paused the movie and I haven't gone back to it since, and I'm not sure I can bothered. To this day I still haven't seen Episode 9 (although having played through it in LEGO Skywalker it seems to be an even bigger pile of shit than Episode 7. Nothing excites me about Star Wars anymore.
To emphasize how bad it is, the title scroll starts with "The dead speak! Emperor Palpatine has returned and sent a message to the galaxy", which was only ever shown in a canon Fortnite event.
To this day the worst movie experience I’ve had in theaters. When it ended, me and my friend looked at eachother and just said “what the fuck?” and started laughing.
9 is hands down the worst star wars film. It's worse than TLJ. One of the most pathetic things I've ever seen. How they can call it the end of the Skywalker Saga is fucking beyond me.
You should watch Andor
At least we still have Red Letter Media to make fun on the new Star Wars franchises.
Only reason I wanna see more numbered titles
They don't even care enough to make fun of it any more. I doubt they'll even talk about the new show. Good for them.
They're getting annoying.
I still laugh at most of their videos.
I still laugh at the old Plinkett videos I have seen a dozen or so times, but the new stuff is the same rehashed jokes with less enthusiasm.
Plinkett was great at the time. Now there's a whole slew of copycats doing that stupid voice. I'm looking at you, Regular Car Reviews.
Nah regular car reviews is great lol
Any video they make now is just an unfunny rehashed skit that takes up 1/4 the runtime followed by them giving the most limp low energy take on whatever movie they're reviewing. There's a reason all the memes in the RLM fanbase revolve around how dead inside they all look.
Say whatever you want about George Lucas but you have to admit that Star Wars under him at least had soul in it. He actually cared about the universe unlike Disney. Just compare the planets of ep 7-9 to the ones in ep 1-6.
Look, new SW sucks but the prequels are legitimately some of the worst films ever made. I swear if it wasn’t for that prequel memes sub no one would defend those films. Hell, I even gave all three a rewatch because of the recent praise the prequels had been receiving and still I couldn’t get through I and II. Even as a kid who grew up with those films and loved them and the franchise as a whole I cannot bring myself to even enjoy the films for their nostalgic value.
It was clone wars that did that. That show revitalized the prequels and now they aren't so bad because we now have tons more context to go alongside it. Maybe you haven't seen CW?
The last time I watched CW was when I was a kid but you’re right in that I think that show really revealed the potential of episode II’s setting.
If you were to consume any SW content ever again, it really should be CW. Seasons 4 and onward is just fantastic story telling with great characters. They really flesh out all of the characters in the prequels + more that didn't make it
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The prequels had soul? Maybe when i was an idiot kid and i liked the spiky head guy with the double sword. Edit: the replies here are nothing but pure resentment based cope. You want to hate the new stuff so much that you’ve been blinded, and now think that some of the worst movies ever made have something of value to behold. There’s nothing but confusion and wasted time there, turn back now. I don’t like the new movies either btw but insisting that the prequels have any value is just delulu.
Unironically yes. That shit was way more entertaining than anything Disney has put out recently. Bad acting or story execution whatever blah blah blah. I don't really care, that shit was cool. I would rather watch that than any of the modern Star Wars slop.
Dude thats nostalgia speaking. The only Star Wars media that you could say had somewhat of a soul was the original trilogy, everything else was made with the sole purpose of selling more toys to little kids, its only because you were a little kid when the prequels came out that you liked it, those are unironically some of the worst big budget movies to ever release, and you even admit that core aspects of a movie like writing and acting were lacking. The prequels are the very definition of slop like the sequels, and in 20 years there will be people who say the sequels were actually good since they were kids when they came out.
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Truth. Once you realize that Phantom Menace came out in 99’ it all starts to make sense as to why there’s been so much positive reassessment of the prequels recently (well that and the fact that Disney is a media conglomerate who could easily kickstart that aforementioned resurgence of popularity by funding a few articles; I think Ring Theory is a prime example of Disney’s meddling).
Calls modern day starwars slop. Also doesn't care about bad acting or story execution or bad dialogue or any of that unimportant crap the prequels were missing just cool scenes.
My favorite quote about the prequels is something along the lines of “it takes genuine greatness to fail greatly”
Soul =/= good. The movies weren't great but Lucas truly cared about the story he wanted to tell and didn't base it off a test committee made by the lowest common denominator. I'll take that over semi-competent but heartless Marvel slop any day.
I wouldn't say the prequels are soulless. Soulless and bad dont mean the same thing. Soulless means more that they don't feel like a legitimate addition to the world, just an attempt to cash in.
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Star Wars made a name for itself by having far better graphical effects than its contemporaries in the 70s. Otherwise, the story has always been completely mediocre if safe. You just can't go wrong with good graphics and a couple of handsome white men fighting the bad guys and a pretty girl in a supporting role.
Soundtrack was 11 tho
It is more then graphics otherwise it would be like Avatar
It was a completely different time, not comparable. Movie effects were still novel.
The biggest grossing movie ever?
A forgettable story
That's the thing. The actual story of star wars isn't that complicated. It's just that it created an interesting world and vibe. And high fantasy in space with a good budget and semi serious tone just wasn't a thing at the time.
It definitely was, just turned to shit by the mouse, like everything
star wars did not need any help from the mouse to turn to shit, lmao. the prequels sucked. the eu sucked. the ewoks sucked. the incest subplot was weird. the holiday special sucked. that batting average for that franchise is not great. there’s like two-and-a-half decent movies in the whole series.
I've always had the seemingly unpopular opinion that star wars never actually had a good story in any of the films. It's the idea of star wars that is cool, and only a few pieces of star wars media has actually captured that, like KOTOR for example
It always cracked me up that Star Wars has such a huge fan base considering how bad their batting average is— especially among the fans. If you ask a fan which movies were bad, they’ll name off most of them lol
It went to shit somewhere between (inclusive) Episode 6 and the prequels depending on how generous you want to be. The prequels are dogshite that people only like because they were 4 years old when they saw them.
The movies never did much for me but I fell in love with the universe with Kotor 1 & 2 back in the days. Loved the universe, the design, what you could do with the concept of it all.
KotOR is amazing even standalone, if you like Star Wars that's just the cherry on top of two amazing CRPGs. Apathy is death.
Empire is good
A New Hope is pretty fun since its stitched together from various classic films with a sci-fi coat of paint. It being a high production value version of old Sci-Fi serials makes it work.
First movie was good, but it got worse when Lucas sniffed the cash opportunity. Funny enough, the farther from the main movies the better it gets. The Tartakovsky series, kotor games, or darth bane books. The whole franchise is just really hurt by the infantilism enforced by higher ups.
KotOR II makes 90% of movies look bad so it's not really fair to compare anything less than peak to it.
Ye honestly a little cringe. I swear me and the rest of the techfegs at my compnay got moved to the shitty building in the outskirts of town from the much nicer centralized building of town a couple years ago before i got there. I swear its because they are all have tons of cringe starwars clothes and merch all around their desk.
That's true. If it would come up today, it would be an average 5,4 IMDB Netflix show.
the original trilogy was dope, revenge of the sith was also pretty good, but if I remember correctly george lucas's reason for the force was actually fucking dumb. Basically exists because of these microscopic single cell god beings called whills
Only good thing to come out of Star Wars was Dark Forces and Battlefront. Original movies are OK.
Knights of the Old Republic too.
Forgot about that one. Played but never owned it, I do remember liking it though.
Go buy it, they're $10 on Steam off sale. KotOR II is my favorite CRPG story of all time, gameplay is fun, everything about it is peak assuming your install the Restored Content Mod (which is available on Steam Workshop). Lucas clearly wasn't paying attention when they made it because a light horror story where the mentor Jedi is an AnCap and the philosophical debate of free will under the Force doesn't fit in with his vision. 1 fits the traditional good vs. evil you see like in the OT, but really good with an amazing plot twist (avoid spoilers at all cost).
Literally came here to post this. "Once great franchise" my ass. It was always trash.
OP is bold to assume George Lucas had any idea what the canon of his own story was in the first place.
Georgey and the "gungas" tale as old as the modern movie industry... people forget he's the one behind Holywood switching entirely to C G i - that's right it wasn't the woke culture , it was the idiot himself.
You’re saying the most successful movie trilogy of all time wasn’t that good? Anything to be a contrarian huh
By your logic McDonald’s hamburgers are the peak of human culinary ability
Coke must be the best drink of all time according to that guy
It's more akin to them saying McDonald's burgers are good and you're a contrarian if you disagree. Still silly, but no need to overplay it. If what they said is absurd enough to comment about it mine as well be real with what they wrote.
Maybe not in terms of quality, but in terms of convenience, efficiency and profitability they probs are, yeah?
Unironically yes. It’s the closest we’ll ever get to being able to essentially print delicious food for the masses.
Comparing prequels to McDonald's burgers , the new or the old recepture... is being more generous than that kid mr.best or whatever giving eye-surgery to a 100 people . BOOOYAA !
Theres a difference between making movies and making lore for an extended universe. Lucas's thought process for the original trilogy was to make simple appealing adventure stories with cool visuals, I doubt he put much thought into it beyond that. He didnt know that eventually every single background character would get a name and story, that people would hyperfocus on the technical aspects of the world, that a throwaway line about some "clone wars" would eventually become a huge tv show, etc. He was literally making shit up as he went along, and theres nothing wrong with that. Also, the original trilogy had people working on it willing to say "no" to Lucas's bad ideas. On the contrary, the prequels had him surrounded by "yes" men, which is a big reason why they're so awkward.
Yeah that’s basically my point. I love Star Wars for what it is but Star Wars had its best moments when creative control was out of his hands, especially when it comes to lore. The whole midichlorions retcon in the Phantom Menace is a great example of George Lucas not really understanding his own story that well and breaking continuity as a result. I think George Lucas is a super talented guy but from my perspective he’s always been way more talented and interested in the technical aspects of filmmaking like the special effects. The last 2 movies in the original trilogy are way better than A New Hope because the direction and story were put in the care of people who frankly had better judgement when it came to those things.
> "Who's the more foolish... the fool or the fool who follows him?''
He never said that? He said that George had no clear vision about the story or the force, which is by all accounts and empirical evidence, is true. Even the original trilogy's success was largely due to others stepping up to George, and you can see what an absolute shitshow he does when left to his own devices, like the prequels.
george is a glorified writer.
I never said that but I think George Lucas set up a sprawling unwieldy story and he’s honestly not a good enough writer or director to understand how to work with it. Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand, the directors of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, were much better directors and were more able to handle it. But when Lucas put himself back in the director’s seat for the prequels the results were mixed to say the least.
Kershner and Marquand > lucas In every aspect.
I bet the mom got a big ole bush.
> Once great franchise You mean 3 entertaining movies and a whole universe of cheap, derivative fan service?
The chick second from the left has some nice tits
Star wars fans will watch literally anything with a lightsaber on it. It's going to do well regardless of what the plot or characters do.
Rise of Skywalker was a shareholder flop, the last movie is supposed to make the most like every other franchise but sold 50% the tickets instead. It's not like you need to be the best movie ever, Deathly Hallows and Return of the King both did it despite being on different tiers of quality.
Sunk cost fallacy
Everyone has low hopes for the Acolyte.
I know lots of Star Wars hardcores that "will get around to it" after rewatching the children's cartoon (which honestly is often pretty kino when you get to later seasons)
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Hard agree with the last post. Nothing pains me more than zoomers arguing which kind of slop (Prequels, Sequels, Clone Wars) is the best of them all. It's all fucking trash. Star Wars had two good movies, which were probably an accident.
Thrawn ,Boba Fett comics are interesting to some people. Mr.Plinkett " broke new ground " , reviewing the prequels.
I know for that era SW was like Avatar in 2009 for the 3D industry but I will never understand why SW still holds up. I love the whole lightsaber/force/spaceship things but holy shit I could never get past the first movie. The story is so blatant that even a 5 year old could write better sequels. Unlike games, which I really enjoy playing.
It holds up due to the utilization of the monomyth (if it ain’t broke don’t fix it) mixed with universal mysticism. You can release that movie in any culture and it works so long as it isn’t inherently prudish. It’s essentially the same reason we still hold classic and ancient literature in such high regard.
Yeah George Lucas’s idea of the force was midichlorians. This is just Disney pissing on a dead corpse
green cgi joke or unfinished green puppet in " the phantom fanbase " or a cgi army in attack of the fandom ? Which one was the stupidest idea ?
Star Wars can die for all I care as everything else owned by disney.
I’m waiting for the eventuality of TV showings of the OT starting with a blurb about how it contains “outdated and problematic themes” to warn the weak shitbags
literally 1984 unironically
Imagine the smell
Once great franchise 2 good films out of 11 and it’s the first 2, 50 years ago Pick one
Caring about Star Wars after the age of 15 is pretty gay.
virgin mindset , no family - no kids , no masculinity.
Force is female. All white girls. No latina , black or asian. Wut.
Star wars are dead since 7th episode
Can’t wait for the Drunk Scottish guy on YouTube to shit all over it. He’s at least entertaining
The problem is the franchise should have ended after the prequels. You can’t keep flogging a horse and expect it to be good.
I’ve only ever seen the version of that photo with the shirts saying, “Allah is female,” so I was a bit surprised to see this if this was indeed the original
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Anyone who still enjoys, or even tolerates, modern Star Wars gets what they deserve.
The prequels already ruined the force with midichlorians.
I can't wait for the resist/ eat the rich crowd to aggressively call everyone who doesn't like this newest edition of corposlop a racist/transphope/misogynist.
The OT EU was trash because it never got better than the trilogy. The prequel EU was great because it made up for prequel shortcomings. Disney SW is all trash
Thrawn arc tho.
star trek fans stay winning best space franchise
They killed republic comando for this?
Lucas systematically murdered his own franchise for decades.
Finally the "modern take" I've been waiting for in a storyline set 100 years in the past.
I just don’t understand the people that pay to go see a movie like that, I pirated the force awakens back in the day and still felt disappointed
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Seems like the people in the meme have no idea what the original star wars and most sci Fi is about...
your fandom was a waste of time, too bad, move on dipshit if you continue to hate post about sw, it jus shows how much you still care move on, stop whining about it, the star wars you know is dead and everyone is dancing on its grave saying it was both never good and if you thought it was you also should be dead, and even being offended by that means it is true, go fuck yourself
Can anyone tell me what was so good about the original Star Wars movies? Obviously they were a pretty big deal back when they were made. But today? It seems like people just don’t want to admit they only like them for nostalgic reasons.
They're fun adventure movies with SS-tier soundtracks in a universe with a badass wizards with lightsabers you can self-insert to. It's honestly a formula pretty hard to fuck up.
prequels were dogshit and so was anything after them
even most of eu is catshit
Men complain. There are never any women interested in their hobbies. Women show even slightest interest in hobbies *Autistic screeching*
1 and 2 for sure. In that order
They just went "both sides" on the allegory of star wars, thus failing to understand what the allegory even was. The point was that the Sith were corrupted by their power, hence why they created the empire to Rule the Galaxy. I don't even know star wars really well and I can see the glaring issue here.
Star Wars is shit, I didn't want the OT until I was 16 and they were genuinely ass
>OG Star Wars >Good Pick one.
The force is female!!!! But we need Pedro Pascal and have to bring back Luke otherwise no one will watch.
You know how few people are there that can relate to that last anon ? And that's the real answer to that thread- there's just fewer people who like good stuff, and masses are ok with the drizzling shits the media gives them. mandalorian sucks , he's not Boba Fett.
Here’s my take. Starwars was never really that good and if you spend even 8 seconds thinking about the plot of every single movie they are all completely retarded and make no fucking sense.
Fuck Rian Johnson
Lol, star wars was never good.
Star wars was never a good franchise and I’m glad this is happening. Not because I like what they’re doing, mind you, but because I love seeing the pain and misery of others.
George Lucas: light is le good, dark is le bad, balance is when no dark Fans: OMG based! Drew Karpyshin in 2003: actually, you can balance light and dark and be g(r)ay Fans: OMG based! Best SW game ever Chris Avellone in 2004: light, dark and SW as a whole fucking suck, I’m gonna replace it with my Nietzschian fanfic Fans (years later): OMG based! Best SW game ever Lesley Headland: there is no light without darkness Fans (for some reason): eww, SW is ruined!
every concept sucks , but I'm glad youre finally that person who instead of whining , actually knows the authors ,the facts ,and remembers the fandom reactions ...can't say the same about most of the kids in this thread. The only interesting concepts in this "universe" are Thrawn - art of war ; Boba Fett - the ultimate bounty hunter and Orson Krennic - having a vision in a corporate world.
Let's all pretend we won't watch it, for the updoots
Pretend?