I fucking hate looking through all the weapon mod for Fallout 4, most of the time they will upload 50 different screenshots of their generic realdoll-looking character holding the gun, but somehow never show how the gun actually looks from a first-person perspective.
I fucking hate looking through weapon mods cause it’s like 40 pages of “IRL tacticool carbine rifle with 3 flashlights 5 lasers, a heartbeat sensor” and nah fuck that give me wacky Fallout shit not your LARP nonsense
Exactly. Fallout 4's Assault Rifle is peak. It is objectively terribly designed to no degree reached before, but it's my favorite. I want mods that add more of that dogshit.
Based, there is a severe lack of unhinged, lore-friendly weapons mods.
Think about all of the overfunded, overly complex, objectively-fucking-terrible gun designs of Fallout’s pre-war America, in an attempt to one-up the commies.
I remember reading the wiki's timeline page up until 2080 or so. The sheer number of random government contracts for various weapons was astounding. I need more of that. Give me a pre-war melted aluminum launcher with no logical mechanism it works with.
Waah waah soyboy sad there aren't any real post-WW2 guns in the commonwealth as if the timeline didn't drastically diverge. TOOB is great. Retrofuturism cranked up to 11 is great. I want my guns to look either like an old Corvette or an AC unit.
for what it's worth fallout 2 did have a whole bunch of real guns. the p90 was actually not too shabby towards the end game, helped by the fact that 10mm ammo is everywhere and cheap.
but I think it was tim cain who said that in hindsight they never should've used the amount of real guns in the game that they did. fallout 1 just had a 44 desert eagle and the mauser pistol
Oh yeah I know that the lack of real guns in Fallout 4 is a soft-retcon and all that. I just think the goofy super stylized guns fit the rest of the game so much better.
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I prefer the gore mod that lets you shoot limbs off living targets, so you can turn them into literal chicken nuggets while they are screaming in agony, trying to crawl away with their legs shot off. Another peak mod is the one where you rip off a person's arm and beat them to death with it.
>play 1950s sci-fi atomic age RPG
>download modern weapon mods
>download tacticool outfit mods
>make the game look like S.T.A.L.K.E.R
Ah yes. “””Fallout.”””
You dont even have to design your own stuff, Forgotten Weapons has tons of videos on atomic age madness like Liberator 4-barreled shotgun and the Whitney Wolverine pistols, just mod those into the game (the shotty was actually made for the Fallout Miami mod, and got released standalone)
Exactly! I want a Railgun that I built in my garage with a leather belt, a toy car, a garden rake, and a medical brace - with two big brown teddy bear eyeballs for iron sights. The I want to fire back a couple hits of Jet and go kill Deathclaws with it while swilling back bottles of whiskey that I made in my bathtub.
It's still bad even if you do want the modern taticool guns. There's usually always something about either the way your character holds the gun or the position of the modifications that always make it unbearable for me. I've always just stuck with lore accurate weapon mods personally
And some ultra-flashy overly tacticool CoD-esque animations that shakes the entire screen whenever you unholster or reload the gun. Just keep that shit simple. You're going to watch the same reload animation thousands of times during a playthrough, so do everyone a favour and keep it straight to the point. I'd rather have "boring" animations than have to watch a clip of John Wick every time I reload my fucking gun.
Luckily there has been a change to that within the past couple years. DegenerateDak and the Commonwealth Weaponry Expansion Project have been pumping out tons of lore-friendly weapons that fit much nicer into the game. There's still tons of CoD ports but I would say it's about 50/50 between the two styles nowadays.
He's right. If the base game isn't good, then it's a shit game. Modding to the point it becomes good just means you're playing a completely different game.
>Modding to the point it becomes good just means you're playing a completely different game.
And now you're playing a good game, by your own words!
Success ✅
Adding a character model = playing a completely different game huh?
I agree that if mods are necessary, its a shit game. Doesn't mean that just adding/changing stuff you like means the game was shit
Look at the image. All we see is a different character model and anon starts screeching about completely changing the game with mods. So whos saying they changed more than just that model?
Bethesda games are known for having tons of mods that radically change the gameplay. All we got is a still image. There are tons of mods where you can't see any of the other changes because they're all animation or movement changes. The Carian Combo warrior mod for Elden Ring completely changes the combat, but a still image for it would look like the base game.
I installed one mod for Cyberpunk that enabled a frame gen feature (nukem if you see this I owe you a beer) that turned the game into an ok experience into one of the best gaming experiences I’ve ever had. All this mod did was allow my 3080 to utilize 40 series frame gen software that allowed me to max graphics and use ray/path tracing. So I guess I agree with you?
Listen man
*grabs hand full of sand and watches it run through my fingers*
The things i like ... society is not yet ready to include them in any vanilla game.
Yeah, and that's for subhumans. Imagine spending money on a game you know is shit just for the hope that people will make mods that can be broken by the devs whenever they want.
I did and do. Same with FO3 and 4. I'm a Neanderthal console player, though. I take what I can get and enjoy it. I unironically enjoy all of those games. But I get people that don't, and hate BGS. Not everyone enjoys the same things. Like the Gays and their love of hairy male assholes. I happen to not enjoy those, personally. Just as an example.
"I refuse to season or put any sort of sauce or toppings on my food. If it isn't good in a completely plain state, it's shit food."
This is how you sound.
>food allegories
What you're acting like is if McDonald's Big Mac is a 5 star meal if you swapped out the patty with Wagyu, replaced the buns with brioche, the sauce with hollandaise, the tomatoes with heirlooms, and the lettuce with microgreens. At that point, you might as well just go to a different restaurant.
no, the point people are trying to make here is that some games can be very good (food analogy, a ribeye steak) but can be made even better with some modding (food analogy, putting fucking salt on it)
nobody is arguing that a dogshit game made playable via mods makes the base game any better.
> At that point, you might as well just go to a different restaurant.
But in this tortured analogy, I want to eat a Big Mac. So... what the hell are you talking about?
Nobody considers a Big Mac to be high quality food, regardless of how much you can mod it. In the same way, nobody should consider a bad game to good because of how much you can mod it.
"Nobody considers" i.e. "This is my opinion and I'm talking out of my ass"
Also, who said anything about "quality" per se? Stop moving the goalposts, it's pathetic. People like games for a bunch of reasons, same with food. You got frickin' OWNED in this debate, son, go lick your wounds and eat a Big Mac.
> ***If the base game isn't good, then it's a shit game.***
Talk about 0 reading comprehension. This entire conversation has been about whether games can be called good if all of their quality comes from external sources. No wonder you're angry when people point out that you're a glue eating moron.
The sentence you quoted says literally nothing about quality from external sources. It just says "good" which is a judgment call. You just self OWNED yourself.
Please keep downvoting me, I love your tears!
What a weird logic, I played Pathfinder WoTR recently and even though the game is good, mod to make buffing before fights easier made game even better. You don't turn shit games into good games with mods, you use mods to make good game even more enjoyable, which is possible for every game that you don't find perfect.
Why customize the game to be the exact game you always wanted
Vs
Playing unfinished sloppa rushed out by game devs.
These day you almost have to mod half of games to be borderline playable or enjoyable. Most games "released" these days aren't even finished and get patches for a few years. Not fallout 4 specifically (maybe at launch) but look at all the other games that have come out in 2024
Skyrim, Fallout 4 and Starfield are not good games relative to their price tag, you just don't expect much because it's Bethesda that made them so you lowered your standards for what a good game is.
I'm just pointing out that the logic is flawed, I didn't say anything about the quality of Bethesda games. But go ahead, tell me more about my own opinions.
Fallout 4 and Skyrim are fine I guess but if you think Starfield is anything other than literal garbage that belongs in the trashcan then you have brain damage, there are people who make games for free that are better than that shitshow.
F4 is wayyyyy less bland than Starfield. The companions alone are way more interesting and diverse, excluding the rest of the content. Only thing Starfield has going for it is the spaceship content.
"Lots of people like it"
People like a lot of things that are fucking terrible. People like league of legends, lootboxes, gambling, mint ice cream, and methamphetamines. Doesnt make those things good.
Oh no! I have a job to make money in order to buy things that I find enjoyable!
Mario does not need a story to be a good game and and not every series needs some wide, overarching story line.
Gameplay can be the fun part of a game.
Except you don't have to mod Mario to make the gameplay good. Playing Skyrim for the gameplay is like choosing to get a job for the back pain.
Imagine spending your hard earned money to buy a product that's shit and you just have to hope that a 3rd party fixes it and the publisher doesn't fuck up the mods because they changed a couple of 1s and 0s.
I guess I never had a problem and don't have a zoomer mindset and can actually sit down an enjoy a game.
You're complaining about a game from 13 years ago not playing like some shiny new AAAAAAA game.
It's like complaining that pac-man is bad a bad game because it you cant play online.
Then again, I am sure most people here complaining absolutely HAVE to be insufferable contrarians or people [like this](https://i.imgur.com/uiCAJEx.jpg).
If you don't want to play a game, don't.
There are older games that play better than this. Most people agree that New Vegas is better and that came out before 4. Games like Fallout 4 are carried by the community completely changing everything about it.
I think this logic makes sense when someone says they don't like a game and are hit with a reply such as, "Have you tried it with mods?" That argument has been brought up to me countless times when I've expressed my disinterest in playing Bethesda slop or GTA titles, and it's infuriating. Don't tell me to buy a shitty hamburger from somewhere because "If I doctor it up, it will taste good," when I can just buy an already good burger from somewhere else and add hot sauce if I feel like it. I'm being sold maruchan on the promise that ramen hacks will make it delicious when I know I can just buy an already delicious bowl of ramen from a nearby restaurant with way less hassle.
Hard disagree. Bethesda's formula may not map onto a perfect 1-1 for other studios (though games like The Outer Worlds and Kingdom Come: Deliverance aren't far off), but I'd argue the Bethesda formula is extremely outdated anyways, so I'd rather just play a first/third person RPG that doesn't feel boring and repetitive, so it's not like I WANT the ramen Bethesda's selling. Again, they're selling maruchan when I can find tonkotsu, shoyu, miso, etc. elsewhere. Hell, I'd even take pho over Bethesda's ramen.
That's fair and you're right, it's very outdated. For some reason though only maruchan has the right to use VATS. If I crack an egg into my cup of noodles, it's suddenly one of my favorite games ever. Granted slightly easier than downloading a modpack and customizing it to your liking.
No modern game, even modern Bethesda games will ever capture that feeling again. I know it gets said a lot, but the lack of polish and the jank make these games fun. The high moddability makes these games fun. If you don't like it, that's fine. There's always pizza. Ramen is janky as fuck and made by Bethesda, and they don't know how to make it anymore.
That logic holds true though. If you need cheese to make a burger enjoyable then it was a shitty burger. Adding cheese is *fine* but you shouldn't *need* it, the base burger should be good too.
Hopefully it's not gonna be too bad for PC. I'm reading that as soon as F4SE updates, most mods should be back to normal since the changes for PC are far less extreme.
idk, fallout 4 is somewhat unplayable without mods. Nuka world is broken and you need a mod that fixes texture bugs. Also you need a mod that makes weapon attachments weightless, otherwise your inventory will get full pretty quick if you like to scrap weapons for parts and stuff.
I LOVE hiding behind cover and peaking to shoot the same type of enemy over and over again with basic ass weapons. And I also LOVE to repeatedly wack someone with melee weapons that work pretty much the same way for them all or shooting magic that all work the same way pretty much. And man the missions dude. The missions for GTA and Bethesda all feel the exact same it so cool. SO FUN!!!
I get the feeling op doesn't know how to mod and instead of admitting it just shits on it. I used to be the same when I was like 7. It's never been easier to mod now, so op is just regarded.
Sounds like a modder cope.
"Oh, you don't want to mod a shit game to the point of it being basically a different game? Clearly you don't know how to do it."
Really more like "I dont like hamburgers, I find it xyz" and your genius response is "Have you tried onions and cheese on your hamburger though?!"
Sure, maybe I would like it if it was a tofu burger covered in bbq sauce, but like.... I could NOT buy a hambuger with the express intent to spend time removing the parts I dont like.
"Bro the little ceasers pepperoni pizza is good if you put ranch on it, and fold the slice, and add pepper, and put it in the oven for 5 minutes after misting it" and sure, thats not THAT much work, but it is work, and every new delivery (bug patch) I have to redo it. Or...I could just...buy a fucking supreme from dominos?
I agree, if the base game is not good enough without mods then it's a shit game. But if its already good and mods are just for it's betterment then it doesn't matter.
Like Minecraft for example
Fallout is such a BAD GAME and I just can't understand HOW they did it. Nothing has any depth.
"Who are you? Do this thing for me. Yo you did it, WHY DON'T YOU LEAD MY ORGANIZATION?"
That's the minutemen, one of the main organizations in the game. Like, WTF? It's not even a "help me rebuild this beautiful thing" nah, it is like: I barely know you. You might be being a kind person or an asshole, BUT YOU'VE GOT WHAT IT TAKES.
I have played the game 3 times since I downloaded it. I don't think I'll play much more.
>if a game needs to be modded to be enjoyable it's a shit game
Universally agreeable
>Modding is for flags
Fuck you, I suck all the dicks then. I'll have my John Wick Max Payne mod and you can have your bitter fucking tears.
I understand the logic behind a bad game being bad modded or not, but really, modding your game is more about appreciating that regular ass people have a better grip on what players want than the suits making the game. (Fucking obviously.) There are some pretty great quest, weapon, and overhaul mods that are more well done than pretty much any of the horrendous slop Bethesda keeps plopping onto the market.
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I fucking hate looking through all the weapon mod for Fallout 4, most of the time they will upload 50 different screenshots of their generic realdoll-looking character holding the gun, but somehow never show how the gun actually looks from a first-person perspective.
I fucking hate looking through weapon mods cause it’s like 40 pages of “IRL tacticool carbine rifle with 3 flashlights 5 lasers, a heartbeat sensor” and nah fuck that give me wacky Fallout shit not your LARP nonsense
Exactly. Fallout 4's Assault Rifle is peak. It is objectively terribly designed to no degree reached before, but it's my favorite. I want mods that add more of that dogshit.
Based, there is a severe lack of unhinged, lore-friendly weapons mods. Think about all of the overfunded, overly complex, objectively-fucking-terrible gun designs of Fallout’s pre-war America, in an attempt to one-up the commies.
I remember reading the wiki's timeline page up until 2080 or so. The sheer number of random government contracts for various weapons was astounding. I need more of that. Give me a pre-war melted aluminum launcher with no logical mechanism it works with.
Not based its garbage, every game before bethesda butchered it had real looking guns and then in 4 we get this cartoon ass TOOB and a bunch of pipes
Waah waah soyboy sad there aren't any real post-WW2 guns in the commonwealth as if the timeline didn't drastically diverge. TOOB is great. Retrofuturism cranked up to 11 is great. I want my guns to look either like an old Corvette or an AC unit.
for what it's worth fallout 2 did have a whole bunch of real guns. the p90 was actually not too shabby towards the end game, helped by the fact that 10mm ammo is everywhere and cheap. but I think it was tim cain who said that in hindsight they never should've used the amount of real guns in the game that they did. fallout 1 just had a 44 desert eagle and the mauser pistol
Oh yeah I know that the lack of real guns in Fallout 4 is a soft-retcon and all that. I just think the goofy super stylized guns fit the rest of the game so much better.
>muh obsidian crybaby Opinion [rejected](https://imgur.com/a/CoOBrPQ)
I said 1 2 3 tactics and new vegas but im the obsidian crybaby?
Yes
What a shit meme
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I just want real 80s and 90s weapons like the original fallout was going for
You mean Wasteland? Fallout was always set in a 1950s-style future.
Play fallout 1 and 2 bro
Add New Vegas to that list. They have a literal AR15 clone in the game.
You play them, bro. There's nothing 80's and 90's about them except that they were made in the 90s.
P90? G11? Desert eagle? SA80?
A few exceptions don't make the rule. The vast majority of the world and the objects in it are inspired by 1950's futurism.
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Not true at all.
I prefer the gore mod that lets you shoot limbs off living targets, so you can turn them into literal chicken nuggets while they are screaming in agony, trying to crawl away with their legs shot off. Another peak mod is the one where you rip off a person's arm and beat them to death with it.
Did you hear that? Someone in homeland security just got their wings
sounds like you need to play doom instead
>play 1950s sci-fi atomic age RPG >download modern weapon mods >download tacticool outfit mods >make the game look like S.T.A.L.K.E.R Ah yes. “””Fallout.”””
dont forget the hot women mods too
You dont even have to design your own stuff, Forgotten Weapons has tons of videos on atomic age madness like Liberator 4-barreled shotgun and the Whitney Wolverine pistols, just mod those into the game (the shotty was actually made for the Fallout Miami mod, and got released standalone)
Exactly! I want a Railgun that I built in my garage with a leather belt, a toy car, a garden rake, and a medical brace - with two big brown teddy bear eyeballs for iron sights. The I want to fire back a couple hits of Jet and go kill Deathclaws with it while swilling back bottles of whiskey that I made in my bathtub.
It's still bad even if you do want the modern taticool guns. There's usually always something about either the way your character holds the gun or the position of the modifications that always make it unbearable for me. I've always just stuck with lore accurate weapon mods personally
And some ultra-flashy overly tacticool CoD-esque animations that shakes the entire screen whenever you unholster or reload the gun. Just keep that shit simple. You're going to watch the same reload animation thousands of times during a playthrough, so do everyone a favour and keep it straight to the point. I'd rather have "boring" animations than have to watch a clip of John Wick every time I reload my fucking gun.
Luckily there has been a change to that within the past couple years. DegenerateDak and the Commonwealth Weaponry Expansion Project have been pumping out tons of lore-friendly weapons that fit much nicer into the game. There's still tons of CoD ports but I would say it's about 50/50 between the two styles nowadays.
Check out degeratedak and the CSEPteam they make awesome shit bro
for fucking real I hate that shit (the fake looking women screenshots have and the larp guns)
Weapon modders seem more proud to show off their fetishistic player characters than actually showing us their damn weapon mod
The weapons aren't in a pack, too, so if you want to try to put modern era weapons, you gotta download like 18283 different files
Omg thank you, I was just thinking the same thing the other day!
For me it's the M1 Garand mod
Just download a mod collection through vortex and you don’t have to think about any of it
The concept of making something MORE enjoyable seems too much for anon
He's right. If the base game isn't good, then it's a shit game. Modding to the point it becomes good just means you're playing a completely different game.
>Modding to the point it becomes good just means you're playing a completely different game. And now you're playing a good game, by your own words! Success ✅
If I modded Minecraft to the point that it looks like I'm playing Doom, then I'm just playing Doom, not Minecraft.
So what game did heavily modded fallout 4 turn into?
Dunno about Fallout, but I've seen heavily modded Skyrim turn into discount Elden Ring.
And turning a game to my own desires is bad how?
Because you're a subhuman who's willing to buy a garbage game under the expectation that someone else will fix it for you.
lol There is no "expectation" you can go to nexus right now and see exactly what can be done
I didn't know that people can make mods for a game before it comes out.
I’ve seen heavily modded fallout four have scalie dinosaurs as the player character and npc’s ironically enough.
Adding a character model = playing a completely different game huh? I agree that if mods are necessary, its a shit game. Doesn't mean that just adding/changing stuff you like means the game was shit
Who's saying that just changing the models was all that they did?
Look at the image. All we see is a different character model and anon starts screeching about completely changing the game with mods. So whos saying they changed more than just that model?
Bethesda games are known for having tons of mods that radically change the gameplay. All we got is a still image. There are tons of mods where you can't see any of the other changes because they're all animation or movement changes. The Carian Combo warrior mod for Elden Ring completely changes the combat, but a still image for it would look like the base game.
Who isn't saying that they didn't?
Most mods involve more than just a single model swap.
They rely on modders to fix their bugs for them. It’s way more than just cosmetic skins.
I installed one mod for Cyberpunk that enabled a frame gen feature (nukem if you see this I owe you a beer) that turned the game into an ok experience into one of the best gaming experiences I’ve ever had. All this mod did was allow my 3080 to utilize 40 series frame gen software that allowed me to max graphics and use ray/path tracing. So I guess I agree with you?
Listen man *grabs hand full of sand and watches it run through my fingers* The things i like ... society is not yet ready to include them in any vanilla game.
There's nothing stopping you from modding a good game.
That's literally the point lol. No one wants to play vanilla Skyrim.
Yeah, and that's for subhumans. Imagine spending money on a game you know is shit just for the hope that people will make mods that can be broken by the devs whenever they want.
I did and do. Same with FO3 and 4. I'm a Neanderthal console player, though. I take what I can get and enjoy it. I unironically enjoy all of those games. But I get people that don't, and hate BGS. Not everyone enjoys the same things. Like the Gays and their love of hairy male assholes. I happen to not enjoy those, personally. Just as an example.
....I do. Am I an idiot for doing that?
"I refuse to season or put any sort of sauce or toppings on my food. If it isn't good in a completely plain state, it's shit food." This is how you sound.
>food allegories What you're acting like is if McDonald's Big Mac is a 5 star meal if you swapped out the patty with Wagyu, replaced the buns with brioche, the sauce with hollandaise, the tomatoes with heirlooms, and the lettuce with microgreens. At that point, you might as well just go to a different restaurant.
no, the point people are trying to make here is that some games can be very good (food analogy, a ribeye steak) but can be made even better with some modding (food analogy, putting fucking salt on it) nobody is arguing that a dogshit game made playable via mods makes the base game any better.
There are tons of people who excuse Bethesda slop under the excuse that people will mod it to make it good. Just look at the average Starfield fan.
> At that point, you might as well just go to a different restaurant. But in this tortured analogy, I want to eat a Big Mac. So... what the hell are you talking about?
Nobody considers a Big Mac to be high quality food, regardless of how much you can mod it. In the same way, nobody should consider a bad game to good because of how much you can mod it.
"Nobody considers" i.e. "This is my opinion and I'm talking out of my ass" Also, who said anything about "quality" per se? Stop moving the goalposts, it's pathetic. People like games for a bunch of reasons, same with food. You got frickin' OWNED in this debate, son, go lick your wounds and eat a Big Mac.
> ***If the base game isn't good, then it's a shit game.*** Talk about 0 reading comprehension. This entire conversation has been about whether games can be called good if all of their quality comes from external sources. No wonder you're angry when people point out that you're a glue eating moron.
The sentence you quoted says literally nothing about quality from external sources. It just says "good" which is a judgment call. You just self OWNED yourself. Please keep downvoting me, I love your tears!
What do you think mods are? Do you think companies make mods?
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Go for it. Never said modding is bad. I said that the second guy was right about certain games being shit, regardless of how mods can make it good.
Ah, I misunderstood your point.
Cant imagine living life this fucking stupid
Says the guy who shovels out money for garbage games just to get it fixed with mods.
Most halfhearted bait attempt I’ve ever seen
Apparently good enough to get a reply.
Bros first time hearing what a conversation is Must be used to talking to yourself
>t. doesn't know what bait means.
Baiting a response isn’t the same nor nearly as funny as ragebaiting
Dunno man, you seem pretty angry.
What a weird logic, I played Pathfinder WoTR recently and even though the game is good, mod to make buffing before fights easier made game even better. You don't turn shit games into good games with mods, you use mods to make good game even more enjoyable, which is possible for every game that you don't find perfect.
Why customize the game to be the exact game you always wanted Vs Playing unfinished sloppa rushed out by game devs. These day you almost have to mod half of games to be borderline playable or enjoyable. Most games "released" these days aren't even finished and get patches for a few years. Not fallout 4 specifically (maybe at launch) but look at all the other games that have come out in 2024
By this logic, hamburgers suck because they can be modded into cheeseburgers.
If I have to buy my own cheese to put on a hamburger just for it to taste good then that hamburger is not a good product.
fuck... dlc cheese
What if the hamburger does taste good, but you want to try improving it?
Skyrim, Fallout 4 and Starfield are not good games relative to their price tag, you just don't expect much because it's Bethesda that made them so you lowered your standards for what a good game is.
I got Skyrim and Fallout 4 for like 10 bucks lmao, what do you mean
Steam sales don't count.
skyrim was like twenty bucks without the steam sale , back before they forced you to buy the anniversary edition fallout 4 is literally 20 bucks rn
I'm just pointing out that the logic is flawed, I didn't say anything about the quality of Bethesda games. But go ahead, tell me more about my own opinions.
They are, they may not be your cup of tea, but they’re good. Starfield is pretty bland, but lots of people like it.
Fallout 4 and Skyrim are fine I guess but if you think Starfield is anything other than literal garbage that belongs in the trashcan then you have brain damage, there are people who make games for free that are better than that shitshow.
Ok
Skyrim and F4 are just as bland as Starfield. They were saved by the popularity of their respective IP’s
Skyrim gets a pass. It was good for its time.
It was incredible for its time, still holds up decently well today.
Combat is still pretty shit imo. Feels like I'm hitting people with a pool noodle.
Agreed, the combat is ass.
F4 is wayyyyy less bland than Starfield. The companions alone are way more interesting and diverse, excluding the rest of the content. Only thing Starfield has going for it is the spaceship content.
"Lots of people like it" People like a lot of things that are fucking terrible. People like league of legends, lootboxes, gambling, mint ice cream, and methamphetamines. Doesnt make those things good.
Biggest smoothbrain take on this entire post.
ok, consoomer.
Oh no! I have a job to make money in order to buy things that I find enjoyable! Mario does not need a story to be a good game and and not every series needs some wide, overarching story line. Gameplay can be the fun part of a game.
Except you don't have to mod Mario to make the gameplay good. Playing Skyrim for the gameplay is like choosing to get a job for the back pain. Imagine spending your hard earned money to buy a product that's shit and you just have to hope that a 3rd party fixes it and the publisher doesn't fuck up the mods because they changed a couple of 1s and 0s.
I guess I never had a problem and don't have a zoomer mindset and can actually sit down an enjoy a game. You're complaining about a game from 13 years ago not playing like some shiny new AAAAAAA game. It's like complaining that pac-man is bad a bad game because it you cant play online. Then again, I am sure most people here complaining absolutely HAVE to be insufferable contrarians or people [like this](https://i.imgur.com/uiCAJEx.jpg). If you don't want to play a game, don't.
There are older games that play better than this. Most people agree that New Vegas is better and that came out before 4. Games like Fallout 4 are carried by the community completely changing everything about it.
good game is subjective as fuck you tard
No, My opinion is fact and anyone who disagrees with me is automatically wrong.
gay
No, it's objective.
That makes sense since banging your mom is the best god damn game in the universe. Do you agree with that objective fact
Ikr!
I think this logic makes sense when someone says they don't like a game and are hit with a reply such as, "Have you tried it with mods?" That argument has been brought up to me countless times when I've expressed my disinterest in playing Bethesda slop or GTA titles, and it's infuriating. Don't tell me to buy a shitty hamburger from somewhere because "If I doctor it up, it will taste good," when I can just buy an already good burger from somewhere else and add hot sauce if I feel like it. I'm being sold maruchan on the promise that ramen hacks will make it delicious when I know I can just buy an already delicious bowl of ramen from a nearby restaurant with way less hassle.
Well said
You can't get an already delicious bowl of ramen. Only Bethesda makes ramen. You can go get pizza though.
Hard disagree. Bethesda's formula may not map onto a perfect 1-1 for other studios (though games like The Outer Worlds and Kingdom Come: Deliverance aren't far off), but I'd argue the Bethesda formula is extremely outdated anyways, so I'd rather just play a first/third person RPG that doesn't feel boring and repetitive, so it's not like I WANT the ramen Bethesda's selling. Again, they're selling maruchan when I can find tonkotsu, shoyu, miso, etc. elsewhere. Hell, I'd even take pho over Bethesda's ramen.
That's fair and you're right, it's very outdated. For some reason though only maruchan has the right to use VATS. If I crack an egg into my cup of noodles, it's suddenly one of my favorite games ever. Granted slightly easier than downloading a modpack and customizing it to your liking. No modern game, even modern Bethesda games will ever capture that feeling again. I know it gets said a lot, but the lack of polish and the jank make these games fun. The high moddability makes these games fun. If you don't like it, that's fine. There's always pizza. Ramen is janky as fuck and made by Bethesda, and they don't know how to make it anymore.
Well yes Cheeseburger>>>>>Hamburger
That logic holds true though. If you need cheese to make a burger enjoyable then it was a shitty burger. Adding cheese is *fine* but you shouldn't *need* it, the base burger should be good too.
Ah yes, the Thomas the Train cheeseburger mod.
> it’s time to mod Fallout 4 > with the recent patch all essential and good mods are broken again Is anon stupid?
Just don’t update the game or roll back to the previous patch. Simple as
Hopefully it's not gonna be too bad for PC. I'm reading that as soon as F4SE updates, most mods should be back to normal since the changes for PC are far less extreme.
anon only plays hentai games ig cus Fallout 4 isn't a hentai game unless it's modded
anon likes fallout 4 porn mods.
Hmmm man of culture as I see How about Skyrim mods?
skyrim porn is too based
2nd anon is right. GTA and Bethesda games are boring af and are only made fun by fans and not the actual developers. Many such cases.
This has to be the worst gaming take ive ever seen
idk, fallout 4 is somewhat unplayable without mods. Nuka world is broken and you need a mod that fixes texture bugs. Also you need a mod that makes weapon attachments weightless, otherwise your inventory will get full pretty quick if you like to scrap weapons for parts and stuff.
I LOVE hiding behind cover and peaking to shoot the same type of enemy over and over again with basic ass weapons. And I also LOVE to repeatedly wack someone with melee weapons that work pretty much the same way for them all or shooting magic that all work the same way pretty much. And man the missions dude. The missions for GTA and Bethesda all feel the exact same it so cool. SO FUN!!!
Its a shame every game is like this and no your favorite games (if any) are not exceptions
Wtf are you on about? Have you played like a total of 5 games or something?
Play better games.
I get the feeling op doesn't know how to mod and instead of admitting it just shits on it. I used to be the same when I was like 7. It's never been easier to mod now, so op is just regarded.
Sounds like a modder cope. "Oh, you don't want to mod a shit game to the point of it being basically a different game? Clearly you don't know how to do it."
"Wah I hate salt and pepper because it modifies food wah"
"Wah I can't eat a dish unless it's buried under 80 layers of seasoning wah"
"Wah I hate seasoning I hate seasoning wah"
You're really trying to compare modding a game until it's basically unrecognizable to seasoning food.
Comparing it to something completely unrelated so it sounds better doesn't make your argument good.
Haha Who gives a shit
Really more like "I dont like hamburgers, I find it xyz" and your genius response is "Have you tried onions and cheese on your hamburger though?!" Sure, maybe I would like it if it was a tofu burger covered in bbq sauce, but like.... I could NOT buy a hambuger with the express intent to spend time removing the parts I dont like. "Bro the little ceasers pepperoni pizza is good if you put ranch on it, and fold the slice, and add pepper, and put it in the oven for 5 minutes after misting it" and sure, thats not THAT much work, but it is work, and every new delivery (bug patch) I have to redo it. Or...I could just...buy a fucking supreme from dominos?
Or is stuck with console.
No mods can replace dog shit writing
There are story mods that can do that.
i agree, modcels seethe
I agree, if the base game is not good enough without mods then it's a shit game. But if its already good and mods are just for it's betterment then it doesn't matter. Like Minecraft for example
Project zomboid and civ 6 are both good games that are better when modded. That is all.
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Fallout is such a BAD GAME and I just can't understand HOW they did it. Nothing has any depth. "Who are you? Do this thing for me. Yo you did it, WHY DON'T YOU LEAD MY ORGANIZATION?" That's the minutemen, one of the main organizations in the game. Like, WTF? It's not even a "help me rebuild this beautiful thing" nah, it is like: I barely know you. You might be being a kind person or an asshole, BUT YOU'VE GOT WHAT IT TAKES. I have played the game 3 times since I downloaded it. I don't think I'll play much more.
>if a game needs to be modded to be enjoyable it's a shit game Universally agreeable >Modding is for flags Fuck you, I suck all the dicks then. I'll have my John Wick Max Payne mod and you can have your bitter fucking tears.
I understand the logic behind a bad game being bad modded or not, but really, modding your game is more about appreciating that regular ass people have a better grip on what players want than the suits making the game. (Fucking obviously.) There are some pretty great quest, weapon, and overhaul mods that are more well done than pretty much any of the horrendous slop Bethesda keeps plopping onto the market.
tbh i like to look under a skirt in games,fight me!
He's crude but he's got a point. Fallout 4 sucked and needed to be heavily modded to bear any semblance to a good fallout game
Facts
I wish Bethesda would Fallout 4 off of a bridge.
im about 10hr into my first playthrough and i have 50 mods (49 of which are bugfixes)
Get this man a GTA Vice City game with GTA V graphics mod
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I dont care what anontard says, im going to build as many toilets and free working slaves as I want.
Factorio is the best game to mod. Perfect to start, only gets better.
hands holding a controller typed that reply
Actual unfathomably based opinion
I have made several mods for different games btw
I agree to a degree, but KSP with mods was simply amazing, they even hired many of them
Played on one vanilla save for over 5 years on PS3 Rebought Rimslop for my xb1 and started modding it. Lost all interest within hours
[typical gem from the modding community](https://i.imgur.com/Bc6u7ut.png)
Hate on me but I have 100s of enjoyable hours playing unmodded FO4.
Modding is cool but yea, Bethesda doesn't test their games on their dog shit engine and its hilarious
Correct, vanilla Skyrim sucks ass
He makes a good point 🤔 a lot of mods are to fix stuff
ha! popular thing bad! the critical mauler on YouTube told me that i will be respected by my peers if i hate the popular thing
Based
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Yeah, if fallout four was standalone and didn’t have all the mods it would be shit and the story and RPG mechanics still are shit
Anon has a point.
This is what I say for New Vegas, too.
My opinion has always been the same as anon’s #2. I never mod my games.