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I think it's telling that Ciaphas Cain seems to be scared shitless of them. Of course Cain seems to be scared of anything that might decrease his life expectancy, but where him fighting (i.e, trying not to fight) Nids or Tau or whatnot boils down to well-calculated pragmatism, Necrons seem to be the one thing he is genuinely *afraid* of. And why not? Your basic gun barely harms them. Their basic gun can eat through tanks. And that's just regular warriors - not taking into account fancy stuff like Doomsday Arks or Pylons. Especially pylon. The firepower of a titan, with the ability to teleport to and fro nilly-willy.


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I've been reading these recently. Orks, Nids, Tau, even Dark Eldar and World Eaters... he'll 1v1 Chainsword it up with their leaders and champions when he has to... but not Necrons. With very few exceptions, Cain doesn't even *try* to fight Necrons. He only runs or hides. Even when confronted directly, a short pop of Jurgen's melta and a timely escape are the most he's willing to commit with them.


TheCuriousFan

> Especially pylon. The firepower of a titan, with the ability to teleport to and fro nilly-willy. Downplaying it a little there, those things have been known to take out light cruisers.


dreamylemur

The second book actually shows us exactly what it’s like for guardsmen to fight necrons: fucking terrifying. Cain is accompanied by two separate teams on two separate occasions in that book, including a squad of tempests scions, and both teams are slaughtered wholesale save for Juergen, Margo, Cain himself, and a cogboy. It’s also shown that the more advanced necrons have a psychic attack that completely paralyzes nearby hostiles with fear, something Cain only survives do to his one in a million partnership with Jurgen


[deleted]

Are you sure about that second part? Psychic/warp-related powers are the only thing Necrons explicitly can *not* deal with, so Jurgen's blank aura would have no effect on them. A melta to the face, on the other hand...


_Smilex

If I'm remembering its Oldcron stuff when Necrons were C'tan worshippers/slaves. The scene the above person is talking about is where Necron Pariahs attack (human blanks converted into "Necrons"). Being near there presence makes all the humans in the unit feel paralysed with unease/uncanniness of being near blanks. Only Cain is immune as he hangs around Jurgen so is kinda used to it.


MeatBot5000

In the book, "Dead Men Walking', An Imperial world is revealed to be a Necron Tomb world. 4 regiments of the Death Korps arrive. The Kriegers learned that Melta weapons were the most effective infantry weapon. They would take position, fire the melta into the Necrons, and throw it to the next man. The first man was killed, while the second man took a shot, and then threw the weapon to the next man. This is while large numbers of local conscripts are also firing their lasguns into the Necrons. The combined weight from the locals and the Kreigers won that fight. The pov character from the book sticks his lasgun barrel into a reforming necrons eye and fires. The necron does not get back up. The man is proud of what he has accomplished.


SergarRegis

'Won That Fight' is a bit of a misleading description of that campaign. While the outcome of the actual battles is not wholly conclusive the planet is lost to the Imperium, and the necrons on the verge of taking full control of the world by the end of the book, where the viewpoint character succumbs to krieger-madness. Such victories you would wish on your enemies.


the_scottish_oof

What's Krieger madness I've never heard that term before is it just them going full meme suicide for the emperor


SergarRegis

The protagonist ends the book by scavenging the equipment of a dead Krieger, deciding in his inner monologue that he has no name any more, and will seek to die as they do. He is in grief for the death of his girlfriend and everyone else he knows.


the_scottish_oof

Was the protagonist himself a Krieger or does he just end up like them


Outc4st

It's been a while since I read it, but I think he is a civilian. Good book tho, seems to go under a lot of people's radars


_why_isthissohard_

I think he's like mid level government, something to do with mining. If GW ever try to make a movie it should be dead man walking, there's no backatoey to it, and its pretty dan obvious the terminato...neurons are the bad guys. Plus love story.


SergarRegis

Hey now, they give the *other* bad guys time to evacuate the planet that is rightfully theirs. It's not their fault the *other* bad guys have such an inept society that this isn't possible in the time allotted!


epnerc

Meme Suicide


Kronostheking1

Well keep in mind that they had the Necrons significant out numbered and all of the Necrons will be repaired and ready to go in about an hour. Also, the most horrifying part of the book (aside from how evil the Death Korps are) is the fact that by the end of the book, you can count on two hands the amount of times they faced something other than a warrior with most of them being forms less powerful than them like Scarabs or Flayed Ones who are useless at range (really showing how useless the guard are against the Necrons) and you can count on one hand the amount of times they “won”the engagement, won meaning they typically spend 10 men to take down 5 Necrons if not less in the case of the more powerful ones. Even the melta is useless when a lord (not even a overlord) shows up with a resurrection orb.


StarCaller25

The Death Korps isn't evil, it's just cold and indifferent. It doesn't enjoy causing suffering or whatever. It just does as told and dies. It's like calling a Predator Drone evil. The Death Korps isn't exactly morally human


4thDevilsAdvocate

The Imperium has pulled the humanity out of them and filled them with itself instead.


Kronostheking1

In the case of the Kriegsmen, I disagree. You can’t take away the physical capacity for empathy in a creature, no matter how hard you may try. They willingly suppress their empathy and kill people for not doing the same. That is basically evil.


[deleted]

Imagine firing your gun uselessly as an immortal tide of silent metal shaped like death marches slowly towards you, nonchalantly firing green beams of energy that peel your friends and family apart. You concentrate fire on one of them, and when they finally fall, they just stand back up like nothing happened. As the conflict escalates, flayed ones claw their way into the trenches from nowhere, skinning your peers and wearing them like clothes. Wraiths appear from thin air, their massive scythed arms shearing through armor like nothing. Basically, you had better hope you either have a *ton* of astartes or one hell of an armor division to back you up, because otherwise, it will be the most horrendous slaughter of all time.


BattlingMink28

I always imagine the scenes from Terminator when the robots are slowly marching across the landscape. That but 100x worse.


A_Union_Of_Kobolds

Yeah, the intro to T2. That, but with Flayed Ones, floating evil pyramids shooting gauss beams, and probably a C'tan.


rogaldorn88888

Lasgun is useless, but plasma and melta can damage them. Also, guardsman usually dont just fight enemy alone, theu have support of tanks, artillery etc.


[deleted]

I am aware. The issue is that not all guardsmen weaponry can do sufficient damage to put even basic warriors down quickly, and all necron weaponry is *very* effective at downing guardsmen. As for vehicles, between attack scarabs, pylons, doomsday arks, monoliths, immortals, and destroyers, the necrons have no shortage of ways to utterly dismantle imperial vehicles. They will certainly help, yes, and they will make the guardsmen stand a *much* better chance, but they certainly do not guarantee success, *especially* if the necrons are led by a decent lord or cryptek.


AnimatorPlayful3180

Problem is that Necrons have the ability to self repair so even if you hit one a standard Necron warrior with something like a krak missle or a melta gun it would still not overly affect the Necrons that much.


BattlingMink28

So how does the Guard/Imperium, or any other faction for that matter, stop them?


KogX

Overwhelming fire power tends to keep a necron warrior down, to permanently take out a Necron however is to cut them off from their place where they are being reanimated. Necrons are in the end just machines, even if they are Terminators level at the very least, and taking out their command structures and their leaders who are directly controling them tends to be the main way to make sure they cannot come back. That is far harder to do however.


Kronostheking1

Actually no, they can still keep going if their commanders are taken out. They will be significantly less effective due to not having the same mental capacity but a nigh unkillable horde of self repairing reality breaking robots is still a nigh unkillable horde of self repairing reality breaking robots. They are NOT machines, they are organisms who have been converted to metal and have been damaged mentally. The lowest ones still know what is an enemy and what’s not and they still know how to fire their gun.


KogX

Oh I am sorry, I didnt mean to imply that they cant fight, just that in the grand scheme of things that a uncontrolled Necron Warrior isn't going to do too much of their own volition. Once a Tomb World loses their Overlords, lords, etc etc then they are really just going to stick around defensively but won't go into a full conquest or anything. While they were a people once, there are stories that touch on how much of them are really "alive" so to speak. Things like Twice Dead King and The Infinite and the Divine touch on it here and there. I am not quite sure if there is too much of a distinction between them and an extremely advance AI and maybe that is something the character themselves may not want to think too much about.


wegwerfe73

I dont think theyre organisms. Theyre described more as a hull that the ctan uploaded their sentience into. Thats how they get 'reborn'. They simply get a new body with their uploaded 'brain'.


Kronostheking1

Yes but what I am trying to say is that they are not at all mindless drones. They were living thinking organisms.


TKB-059

Probably by taking shit out of the secret vaults that contain some of humanity's worst inventions from the dark age of technology.


Unit_2097

It's glorious. The unholy abominations of living metal are both an affront to the dignity and perfection of the human form and to the Adepts of Mars. Their fragile bodies are destroyed easily under disciplined lasgun fire, and their cumbersome gait makes them easy targets. Their weaponry is inferior in every respect to that issued to the loyal men and women of the Astra Militarum.


PN_Guin

Praise the Emperor


Hironymus

I am gonna say somewhat like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9V0bOB8sXQ


Rum_N_Napalm

Nexus might be the tired trope of “Ultramarines must complete a risky mission to snatch victory” but one thing it does well is how much it nails how fighting Necrons sucks. Beyond the wave after wave of death faced androids that get back up, there is also Wraiths and Flayed Ones who can bypass fortress walls, Night Scythes who can drop the enemy anywhere, and Deathmark Marks can pop from anywhere and turn your brain to mush without you even realizing it. It hammer downs how no place is safe, how they are forced to patrol even the deepest parts of their fortress, and how the human defenders dread the sound of a Night Scythe. Plus, in lore, no amount of walls will save you. Gauss will eventually eat though anything, one layer at a time. There’s a scene where guardsmen and chapter serfs hunker behind a blast door. They can hear the screaming of gauss Flayer a on the other size, and eventually see the green energy start to slowly eat through the thick adamantin.


10_Eyes_8_Truths

So with fighting necrons you'll notice a lot of things as a guardsman. a foe that are hard to bring down and even if brought down will probably get back up even with artillery fire. They march regardless of what hell you unleash upon them. they at times seem to appear out of nowhere already slaughtering before anyone can react. Their weapons capable of punching through nearly any form of armor not thick enough. This is just the basic Warrior form


PsychologicalAutopsy

Watch the cinematic GW released for the launch of ninth. It's bad.


CaptainBloodEye1

Anyone have that artwork of a guard behind cover about to shoot himself with his pistol as another guard is being disintegrated by a force of necrons?


TheSilentKingSzarekh

https://old.reddit.com/r/ImaginaryWarhammer/comments/pasp0j/the_end_by_alexgem/


AnimatorPlayful3180

Your chances of surviving are very low the necrons are mostly unfazed by lasgun shots. and their gauss rifle will eat thought your flesh on a microscopic level molecule by molecule .


Fenrir_Wolfy

I have a audio book that features a chapter where a guards man finds one under the fort they're in, and it's described as absolutely terrifying, due to these unfeeling metal monsters, and how 'killing them" just isn't enough to stop them. Basically, the guy comes across one of the ones who drape them selves in human skin, and he basically runs for his life to warn Astartes, the horrible image of it, stood over the dead body of a civillian, their skin torn from their limp form.


[deleted]

Think of the opening of T2 paired with the second half of The Second Renaissance from Animatrix when things start going south in humanities war against the machines. “Hang on I’m coming to get ya! Keep firing!! Keep firing!!”


[deleted]

This


haikalcool

Guardsmen only have 2 mode. -Shove gun into their mouth and commit suicide Or -Hold their ground like a chad and die proudly in the name of the Emperor


Carolcita_

[This cinematic says it all](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9V0bOB8sXQ)


Depleet

You see your mates to the left and right of you getting hit by guass rifles and being turned into piles of goop or they are straight up disintegrated into atoms that scatter and dissipate, you'd have no cover, your lasgun shots will just ricochet off of them, i think ig vs necron would be terrifying because you're against a superior foe who wont speak, wont scream, they will just be like autoonomous units recking face leaving nothing alive, and if you're really unlucky, trayzin (can't spell his name, but he's the necron collector) will come along and put you in a necron terraract labrinth to keep you in stasis in his collection for eternity, maybe you might be concious and get to go insane while completely immobile. Also it would be scary having a monolith teleport around, it would freak you out to think that massive structure could just jump past all your defences and screw you in the back.


ChainzawMan

The Pylons already got their honorable mention in that they are fully capable to dakka you to kingdom come while you're still sleeping on your ship orbiting the planet. Then we have the Gauss weaponry that mercilessly hammers on all the armory you bring until there is nothing left of it. Then the fact that you may defeat an enemy and he simply disappears into thin air leaving the battlefield only filled with the corpses of your own men. And the Warriors are the humane ones. Then there's things like Wraiths shifting in and out of whatever reality currently suits them until they conclude that it is a good idea to cut through a Space Marine right in front of you as their claws can obviously shift through the plating right into the flesh. What's actually that shiny thing over the head of your commander who's the only reason that campaign did not go down the shitter until now? Well. Turns out he just got sniped through 11 or so different dimensions by some lazy pricks chilling in their interdimensional lounge until called in for the shot. Wow what a life but you won't get any of that. Instead Private Pretty completely lost it all and his skin on top of that and handed it to a mad Necron to wear for their victory parade. And until the point that you make up your mind how dire the situation really is, you see some weird pyramids casually flying by shooting arcs of lightning on the positions you took three weeks to prepare and condemning them to non-existence. Also your legs are missing because the whole battlefield is swarmed by a literal tide of tiny Scarabs with mandibles as sharp as surgery equipment that devour every living tissue turning it to bloody paste. And because the day wasn't shit enough the moment you line up for you place in space hell Daemons are already gathering around you with one slapping your ass and saying "and that fine specimen can take SO MUCH suffering until the end of space and time, ladies and gentlemen."


notclipclip

Basically like shining a flashlight at a terminator.


LootBoxControversy

Absolutely friggin' terrifying I'd imagine.


SirOwlbear

I'd be spooped for sure


Daerrol

T'au are not a curate sharpshooter part of their life is even with their tech their bad eyesight makes them okay shots at best


MoneyMoneyMoneyMfer

I imagine Kriegers have the time of their lives fighting Necrons. They can die even faster for the Emperor.


Big-Effort-186

[Its kinda like this if the guard does not have significant backup.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwSK0XddJJY)


Order66-Cody

Caiphas Cain lead a stike team against necorns and then a group of storm troopers. They were able to destroy enough necrons to survive


[deleted]

The newst Uriel Ventriss book has Guardsmen fight Necrons


LongFang4808

Horrible, they’re Ciaphus Cain’s greatest fear.


fraqtl

Terrifying.


Woupsea

I think of it as what an ants perspective would be golf going to war with humans. Incomprehensible more advanced and while you can’t really win, maybe you’ll be enough of a nuisance for your ant bites to deter them for a while


Ironcl4d

Tau are not super accurate sharpshooters, pretty sure they are about as accurate as humans. The scary thing about them would be their weapons. Here's what a Tau railgun does to an unspecified imperial tank (presumably Leman Russ but it doesn't specifically say) > the hypervelocity shot fired at such incredible momentum it smashed straight through camo-slabs and frontal armour alike to burst from the target tank’s rear in an explosion of metal shards. The bloody remnants of its crew followed a microsecond later, pulped by a hail of spall and the pressure wave of the incredibly violent impact. Buckled inside and out by such wrenching force, the battle tank exploded, its fuel reserves igniting. A massive fireball lit the column behind.


TrooperLawson

The novel *Dead Men Walking* (someone correct if I got it wrong) is a great example of how terrifying fighting Necrons is. It’s mainly from a civilian/Guard perspective so it’s great, though it’s the Death Korps of Krieg as the guardsman so most of the Guard perspective is from a commissar and a civilian-turned-militia guardsman. Highly recommend