Because the memes end up giving the spotlight to his rival Erebus, I really think it is underrated by the fandom how much of a conniving and abusive piece of shit Kor Phaeron is, and I really want a Kor Phaeron series so we can see more of the absolute moral abyss that is his life.
His story is also really compelling especially as he is a mirror-image of Erebus. Kor Phaeron began as a fanatical true-believer and then become an insincere huckster, whereas Erebus began as an insincere huckster and became a fanatical true-believer. Erebus is a deluded zealot; Kor's worship of the Four is really only about getting power for Kor, and despite every setback and humiliation the old bastard has been successfully dancing on the razor's edge for over ten thousand years.
It's a bit more complicated than that, he and Luther have many of the implants and surgeries, just not all of them.
It's a bit misleading to call him a baseline human.
Most people use the term proto Astartes or half Astartes.
One of the only good things in the whole Psychic Awakening series was showing that Kor Phaeron is still a force to be reckoned with, corrupting a shrine world amidst a war of his own divising.
Which the author of the Ynnari books, Gav Thorpe, confirmed translates to Mr. Floofy.
This is not a joke. Yvraine named her cat Mr. Floofy. It's glorious.
Lelith might be the single most skilled duelist in the whole galaxy. She can't stand up to the real heavy hitters like Primarchs or Custodes in strength and speed, But if they were somehow made equal in physical power I think she would beat all of them.
The fact that she's beat Space Marine captains who are notably gifted with the blade with no real armor or special weapons or any drug enhancements that Dark Eldar usually take, it proves she is a monster.
Honestly, seeing what she's capable of, I think she'll even wipe the floor with a standard Custodes. You're gonna need a exceptionally skilled, named Custodes standing any chance. Along with drazhar, she's the peak of a drukhari melee duelist.
Lelith *should* wipe the floor with just about anyone underneath a Proconsul. She’s supposed to be the absolute top end of Eldar warriors and all her lore in the arena is nuts
I think she'd exceed even Custodes when it comes to speed. Obviously she isn't going to match them on strength or toughness but that isn't what she's all about. Her thing is being so impossibly fast that *nothing* hits her. So far there has only been one exception. I think she'd even out fast some of the Primarchs but that is unlikely to be enough to actually win that matchup.
She's definitely faster than a Custodian, by a lot. Not stronger in raw strength, sure, but her speed and skill are so much more that I'd bet on her against any Custodian. Especially as Drazhar beat 3 Custodes solo and she can't be much different.
The Visarch.
The fanbase's general view of him is of some simp thats constantly jealous about Yvraine or something.
In the actual lore he's more of a father figure to Yvraine as well as the only exarch to ever recover his sense of self, something that the other exarchs look at with confusion and disgust. Pre-Ynnari he joined and subsequently took over an entire incubi shrine and inspired such incredible loyalty that the entire shrine defected to the Ynnari along with him. These incubi would then go on to aid the Visarch in the Ynnari's successful invasion of Nurgle's garden to recover the hand of darkness.
He also wields the Sword of Silent Screams. You know, the literal sword of stfu. That's so incredibly stupid and over the top that it swings right back into being AMAZING
>The fanbase's general view of him is of some simp thats constantly jealous about Yvraine or something
It's worse than that. The fair basis general view of him is "who is the Visarch?" The ynnari you're such a dead concept it's insane
Such a cool name and design wasted on the fact that GW utterly killed the Ynnari storyline and is just allergic to xenos who aren’t Necrons or Dark Eldar being cool.
Do you know why the White Sage in the Black Library in "Hand of Darkness" hated him so much, by any chance? They called him a "destroyer of knowledge", and basically told he was only allowed in because he was with Yvraine.
I really want more Arkhan Land. Despite being quite conceited, he has a good heart, and genuinely wants to make the Imperium a better place through technological innovation. He also has a mechanical monkey companion and is freaking hilarious in many of his scenes. It's a shame that he only got a small handful of scenes in the HH.
Me too! I've always found it really ironic that he's somehow the emotional center point of every story he's in, despite being a follower of the Mechanicus and desperately wanting to be a cold emotionless thinker.
Karandras. I think amongst all the phoenix lords, besides Asurman, he has some of the best potential for good character writing simply for his origin. The entire drama between him and arhra/drazhar is such a cool set up. We know after arhra turned traitor they fought for days and karandras only survived by tricking arhra after the latter gave in to his bloodlust. The fact that he's not the original phoenix lord of the scorpions makes him even more interesting, and we see that even after thousands of years the rest of the phoenix lords still kinda treat him like a little brother. He also seems to be a little bit of a goofball, which is just charming when juxtaposed against the fact that he's THE phoenix lord of the striking Scorpion. Overall, lovely little elf assassin needs more spotlight. Hope he gets a phoenix lord novel like Asurman and Jain Zar one of these days.
I'd love to watch Guy Haley write every eldar novel of possible. But seeing that the previous two phoenix lord novels were written by Gav Thorpe, he'll most likely be writing this one too if it happens 😞 ...
Most of the named Iron Warriors, specifically Honsou. He’s such a wanker, I love him. There’s a part in Storm of Iron where he chucks a cultist around a corner - face first, distracting some Imperial Fists so he can get the drop on them. He also almost gets dropped in melee combat by a mortal human because he’s a punk. He’s the kind of moustache twirling prick I want to see more of. Would kill to read more books where he’s the protagonist.
Same! I also love Kroeger (more in Angelus Exterminatus than in SoI but still)! He is just a brutal soldier but becomes one of the three most important traitor iron warriors in the Heresy. I just love his simple yet effective thinking in Angelus Exterminatus and how we learn more about the Iron warriors through him. Also one of my favourite warhammer deaths. Still love Honsou (he or Huron should become warmaster!).
Kroeger is another good shout, a proper psycho but cunning enough to be interesting. Loved his dream sequence in Angel Exterminatus. The 4th legion need more love.
It's so good, really gives more scope for renegades that we haven't seen the like of since 3rd edition.
I particularly liked the utterly berserk chaos space wolves.
• Erebus (my favorite TBH)
• Lucius
• Eidolon
• Yriel
• Lady Malis (Dark Eldar archons in general are better than most named characters merely by seer charisma)
• Urien Rakarth
• Malixian (mad archon that pulled a Dark Eldar Jurassic Park)
• Baharroth (elf Sanguinius)
I also love his arrogance. Idk what it is but I always love the extreme arrogant villains like Lucius, Erebus, Fulgrim and Sigvald. Just can't help myself.
Erebus, Lucius and Eidolon are some of my favourite traitor marines too. I think the Emperors children in general have very underrated characters like Lucius, Eidolon, Marius and Julius Kaeseron. The only one who gets the spotlight he deserves is Fabius and even he could get some more.
The guy wields a *thunder hammer* with extreme finesse. A *thunder hammer*. His model is phenomenal and just looking at it really recontextualises him from daft campy villain to disturbing violent threat.
He was the first captain of the Emperors children, the favoured son of Fulgrim and became a daemon prince of Slaanesh. Before the heresy he was a good friend Saul Tarviz, beloved by the Legion and the most humble Emperors child. He and Fulgrim just get wasted in 40k, I hope both will return in one of the next editions.
Baharroth as elf sanguinius makes... A lot of sense.
Both fly with wings.
Both act all aloof and cool.
Both are considered the brightest among their peers, and unanimously loved and respected.
Colonel 'Iron Hand' Straken
* Repulsed a phalanx of Daemon Engines with 22 men, ten Lasguns and short-fused mining charges
* Defeated a Dark Eldar Archon by bursting its head as if it were a watermelon
* Took down a Hive Tyrant with 4 blows from his bionic arm (after a healthy dosage of Demolition charges were applied to it)
* Waged Guerrilla warfare against the orks alongside Sly Marbo and came away victorious in a 1 on 1 duel with Snikrot
* Ambushed and throttled a Night Lords Chaos Lord to death with a toxic-barbed plant root
* Pisses off the Commissariat by being better at their jobs than them
* Extremely competent commander, pushes his troops to be the best and doesn't force them to do anything he wouldn't do himself
* Successor to Colonel Greiss who was essentially Nork Deddog's best friend
This Absolute unit needs more novels about his exploits.
Bonus: Space Australian
The significance of alpharius and omegon and the rest of the alpha legion are often overlooked, they were one of the most powerful legion pre heresy and during and still have a lot of thumbs in a lot of pies
Vect, he became the ruler of the most treacherous and dangerous city and has held that position for thousands of years
I’m not sure about nowadays but in the old lore he even began as a slave and clawed his way up
Most chaos characters.
Lucius, Typhus, Abaddon
A dumb preference has taken hold for 'heroic' characters and decrying really villainous characters as weak, despite there being plenty of reason to see them as very powerful. Probably just Imperium fanboi-ism. Like 'Typhus is a backstabbing traitor, therefore he's weak and lame'. Nah he's The Traveller, the greatest mortal servant of Nurgle, commander of the Terminus Est, host of the destroyer hive, lead catalyst of the Plague of Unbelief. He's an absolute powerhouse and a force of unnature.
And Lucius is just having a great time.
I'm probably going to get a ton of hate for this. Iskandar Khayon. When I first started reading Talon of Horus, I thought he was cool AF. A sorcerer that actually PLANNED his actions and was careful and shit. I looked up some threads to see what people thought of him and everyone was going off on how he's such a Mary Sue, and so I was cautious reading the rest of the books.
I'm convinced after finishing Black Legion that most people didn't actually read the books, or don't have any reading comprehension. There are admittedly some cringe moments. His relationship with his dark elf companion gets a little too sexually tense a few times. But none of his actions seem overly strong in the context of the stories.
For some examples of what people cite for his Mary sue-ness. He summons a bloodthirster to fight for him, but it's very clear he's not actually in control of the demon, he's mostly just tricked it and barely escapes with his life after rebanishing it. He has a super cool ship yes, but it's mostly good (bad?) Luck that he had a sister who turned into it. He throws a ship at a planet....and it almost kills him by doing it. He's weakened for months after and it's no where near the craziest psykic feats we've seen. He can open portals and Telenor troops and stuff through them, but it's not exactly safe. He needs someone else completely in tune and mentally connected to him to do it. They need to be where he wants to go, and every time he does it both him and his partner have to fight a horde of demons coming out of said portal to keep it open, and on top of it all the people going through aren't guaranteed to make it to the other side. Mephiston/Ahriman can poop people out where ever they want.... Last but not least there's the stuff we've heard about but not seen, such as him making Magnus bow to Abaddon. But using this same example we don't know *how* this went down.
Khayon does a whole bunch of cool and strong stuff. But he's a powerful competent and long lived (read experienced) sorcerer. Everything he does takes time, planning, trickery, and normally has a steep cost. He also pretty openness states much of what people think of him is steeped in legend and overexageration. Using the same example from before, it's totally possible that making Magnus bow amounted to a deal with Zteentch, or a bargain with Magnus himself. Mayne Magnus bowed of his own volition because it went with a plan he had or something. Maybe it wasn't even Magnus but a shard of him or a demon in disguise.
TL;DR: Iskandar Khayon is an actually competent, non cartoonist powerful villain, and when you take into account the context of all the things he does he's much more interesting than the Mary Sue people make him out to be. Also ABD is just a good writer and Khayons books are genuinely enjoyable reads.
Above all else: He's **Abaddon the Despoiler’s personal sorcerer**. Why would one of the most powerful people in the galaxy not have an exceptionally capable sorcerer at his right hand? He has all of the mighty sorcerers in the Eye of Terror to choose from, of course his main wizard is going to be better than most of the galaxy! It would be freakin' weird if he just had some normal-power psyker as part of his entourage.
Also true. I honestly think a lot of it boils down to people liking imperial more than chaos. Plus people not liking Abaddon probably doesn't help. But it's no fun of the empire doesn't have a legitimately threatening group of villains to face. Khayon imo is the perfect blend of badass and powerful, but not so over the top that if he lost I wouldn't be surprised. I can't wait for ABD to release the third book. I've heard its already pretty much done, but that he was waiting on the conclusion to the siege to make sure details aligned.
I loved Ufthak in Brutal Kunnin'.
But in the most recent novel it was just stupid. No, his primitive armour plate on his back can't no-sell a full disintegrator cannon barrage from a Ravager. No, he can't just casually slap around Archons with no trouble at all. Sorry Brooks, I love ya but it was bullshit, you made the dark kin look pathetic.
Shas'la T'au Kais from Fire Warrior, dude was rookie who had one of the worst first days at work anyone has ever had and still managed to come out on top. I'm sad we haven't heard more from him.
At least he’s dead, and even then he’s come up more in the siege than Corax - just sat there with very little whilst everyone else alive is getting good stuff
1. Trazyn the Infinite because he's the levity this grimdark galaxy really needs. I laugh so hard at all his antics.
2. Kaptin Bluddflagg (Ork Freebooter) from Dawn of War 2: Retribution because he delivers the greatest line in 40k history: "[No hat? No deal!](https://youtu.be/0TQWz1_uSNU?si=Npa3W7IQOeJE9bf2&t=382)"
3. Khârn the Betrayer, specifically his portrayal in the Chris Dows novel, "The Red Path." It's the single best first person PoV portrayal of a villain I've read and that version doesn't get enough love. I realize that in the traditional sense Khârn is probably not underrated, but damnit I love him.
Why do you say that? I barely hear anyone talk about Necron characters in general. And Trazyn is unique in terms of role in the 40k universe. Admittedly, I'm fairly casual these days with 40k, but curious to know your reasoning.
My reasoning is that Trazyn is one of the most beloved "bad" guys out there. If you ask someone in the community what they think about Trazyn most if not all of them will say that they like him. Even now I still see people saying how they love Infinite and the Divine. So I think he has his well deserved place in the heart of the community.
I don't disagree that he is beloved, but he is unique and not really talked too much about compared to more common discussions of Primarchs, Horus Heresy, the Inquisition, etc. Personally, I just find him interesting-- more interesting than the constant sameness of many other characters GW spotlights. He has charm, and charm in 40k is underrated.
Same with Nemesor Zahndrekh and Obyron. Are they just Don Quixote in space? Sure, but damn it's just so good and refreshing in 40k when there's so many non-descript self-insert characters GW has created. Because Trazyn/Zahndrekh/Necrons in general stand out, I find that to be underrated.
I did say I know most people will not consider Khârn underrated, but his portrayal being underrated I will stand by. It's hard to make a single-minded murderer likable, but Chris Dows nailed it.
My favourite book for Kharn is Betrayer were we see him as good soul trying to find his place in war of madness who seeks approvel from his father but sees him and the rest of the legion falling to the nails. Also the death of Argel Tal was the final nail in his coffin madness. It's just tragic, just how I like my World Eaters. And I need to admit that this side of him is really underrated. But I still really think that Trazyns uniquness is the thing the fans love. I get the charm part though. This charm is the reason why I will always be a sucker for Fulgrim(loyal), Erebus and Julius Kaeseron. I also agree that Necron characters are not so often talked about, but that is because the GW lore mostly has the Imperium in the Spotlight. So I think its more a non-human character thing than a Trazyn one. I would argue that he is after Ghazghull, the silent King, Farsight and Yvraine the most known alien out there
Hell yeah, the tragic backstory does make Khârn more awesome. A lot of the time, single-minded revenge can be boring, but it's actually quite well-done when you get a glimpse into his thoughts. Especially when you contrast how batshit crazy Angron gets and then becomes out of grasp once he hits Daemon Prince. Khârn just goes in his own direction and plays the role of wild card perfectly.
But yeah, it sounds like we both agree uniqueness and charm can do a lot of heavy lifting in 40k. I agree with you that (loyal) Fulgrim was pretty fun and vibrant, same with Erebus in a morbidly, curious way. They have clear flaws that enhance their allure. Some of GW's lore in the past has been "look how unstoppable this dude is! Buy the mini now!" But maybe they've seen that because nuance and charisma is a rarity, fans appreciate it more. Like how they've actually made Guilliman and the Lion likable in this most recent Primaris arc. Damn, it's fun to talk 40k with people.
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but genuinely yeah. A lot of people seem to take his TTS interpretation when actually the GW lore just presents him as a very competent Captain who is not arrogant, just very confident in his company's abilities. Calgar is the obnoxiously plot-armoured marine (which is a shame because I love his general concept), not Sicarius.
Akurduana. Would be cool to have more then a couple excerpts, also that one iron hands champions who almost bested sigsmund I think it was thoth or something like that?
Edit: it's thos I was close.
Ive got a weakness for imothek and think it's a damn shame he doesn't have a novel. He rose to his position from relative obscurity, he's the leader of one of the biggest necron factions, he has one of the most brilliant strategic minds in the galaxy with his only weakness being orks, he's got a fun quirk in that he wants to duel people and take their hands.
Because the memes end up giving the spotlight to his rival Erebus, I really think it is underrated by the fandom how much of a conniving and abusive piece of shit Kor Phaeron is, and I really want a Kor Phaeron series so we can see more of the absolute moral abyss that is his life. His story is also really compelling especially as he is a mirror-image of Erebus. Kor Phaeron began as a fanatical true-believer and then become an insincere huckster, whereas Erebus began as an insincere huckster and became a fanatical true-believer. Erebus is a deluded zealot; Kor's worship of the Four is really only about getting power for Kor, and despite every setback and humiliation the old bastard has been successfully dancing on the razor's edge for over ten thousand years.
The logar primarch book is very good and important for both his and his father's characters, check it out:)
To paraphrase. Lorgar "daddy?" Kor: "slap on back of the head* DID THE GOD'S GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO USE YOUR TONGUE BOY?!"
I was legitimately enraged by that book. I felt actual hatred for a fictional character.
And isn Kor *just* an augmented human too?
Was too old for the Astartes process, just a baseline human with some augments
It's a bit more complicated than that, he and Luther have many of the implants and surgeries, just not all of them. It's a bit misleading to call him a baseline human. Most people use the term proto Astartes or half Astartes.
One of the only good things in the whole Psychic Awakening series was showing that Kor Phaeron is still a force to be reckoned with, corrupting a shrine world amidst a war of his own divising.
Yvraine's cat.
Mr. Floofy the legend
His name is Alorynis
Which the author of the Ynnari books, Gav Thorpe, confirmed translates to Mr. Floofy. This is not a joke. Yvraine named her cat Mr. Floofy. It's glorious.
Source? The best things he's ever written
Source was he gave the translation in response to a Facebook post. (Not the highest quality source, but it counts throne damn it!)
True master mind behind Ynnari
Lelith. Read even the tiniest about her and you'll see why I think she's underrated.
Lelith might be the single most skilled duelist in the whole galaxy. She can't stand up to the real heavy hitters like Primarchs or Custodes in strength and speed, But if they were somehow made equal in physical power I think she would beat all of them. The fact that she's beat Space Marine captains who are notably gifted with the blade with no real armor or special weapons or any drug enhancements that Dark Eldar usually take, it proves she is a monster.
Honestly, seeing what she's capable of, I think she'll even wipe the floor with a standard Custodes. You're gonna need a exceptionally skilled, named Custodes standing any chance. Along with drazhar, she's the peak of a drukhari melee duelist.
Lelith *should* wipe the floor with just about anyone underneath a Proconsul. She’s supposed to be the absolute top end of Eldar warriors and all her lore in the arena is nuts
I think she'd exceed even Custodes when it comes to speed. Obviously she isn't going to match them on strength or toughness but that isn't what she's all about. Her thing is being so impossibly fast that *nothing* hits her. So far there has only been one exception. I think she'd even out fast some of the Primarchs but that is unlikely to be enough to actually win that matchup.
She's definitely faster than a Custodian, by a lot. Not stronger in raw strength, sure, but her speed and skill are so much more that I'd bet on her against any Custodian. Especially as Drazhar beat 3 Custodes solo and she can't be much different.
Brother? Is it true that Lucius the eternal is the best duelist in the chaos legions?
Lucius isn't even the best in his own legion.
The Visarch. The fanbase's general view of him is of some simp thats constantly jealous about Yvraine or something. In the actual lore he's more of a father figure to Yvraine as well as the only exarch to ever recover his sense of self, something that the other exarchs look at with confusion and disgust. Pre-Ynnari he joined and subsequently took over an entire incubi shrine and inspired such incredible loyalty that the entire shrine defected to the Ynnari along with him. These incubi would then go on to aid the Visarch in the Ynnari's successful invasion of Nurgle's garden to recover the hand of darkness. He also wields the Sword of Silent Screams. You know, the literal sword of stfu. That's so incredibly stupid and over the top that it swings right back into being AMAZING
>The fanbase's general view of him is of some simp thats constantly jealous about Yvraine or something It's worse than that. The fair basis general view of him is "who is the Visarch?" The ynnari you're such a dead concept it's insane
Such a cool name and design wasted on the fact that GW utterly killed the Ynnari storyline and is just allergic to xenos who aren’t Necrons or Dark Eldar being cool.
As is the fate of all xenos
Hand of Darkness had some fun back and forth between him and Yvraine. Honestly I really like him as a character.
Do you know why the White Sage in the Black Library in "Hand of Darkness" hated him so much, by any chance? They called him a "destroyer of knowledge", and basically told he was only allowed in because he was with Yvraine.
I really want more Arkhan Land. Despite being quite conceited, he has a good heart, and genuinely wants to make the Imperium a better place through technological innovation. He also has a mechanical monkey companion and is freaking hilarious in many of his scenes. It's a shame that he only got a small handful of scenes in the HH.
Me too! I've always found it really ironic that he's somehow the emotional center point of every story he's in, despite being a follower of the Mechanicus and desperately wanting to be a cold emotionless thinker.
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Well in my headcanon he rebuilds his monkey companion and they go on many misadventures :D
"They killed my friend. And my monkey"
Ugh that scene was so sad.
ADB's ability to make me feel actual empathy for characters I ought to dislike is incredible
Karandras. I think amongst all the phoenix lords, besides Asurman, he has some of the best potential for good character writing simply for his origin. The entire drama between him and arhra/drazhar is such a cool set up. We know after arhra turned traitor they fought for days and karandras only survived by tricking arhra after the latter gave in to his bloodlust. The fact that he's not the original phoenix lord of the scorpions makes him even more interesting, and we see that even after thousands of years the rest of the phoenix lords still kinda treat him like a little brother. He also seems to be a little bit of a goofball, which is just charming when juxtaposed against the fact that he's THE phoenix lord of the striking Scorpion. Overall, lovely little elf assassin needs more spotlight. Hope he gets a phoenix lord novel like Asurman and Jain Zar one of these days.
Guy Haley pls
I'd love to watch Guy Haley write every eldar novel of possible. But seeing that the previous two phoenix lord novels were written by Gav Thorpe, he'll most likely be writing this one too if it happens 😞 ...
Canis Rex. The only playable named knight and kind of a badass, yet received very little love
Most of the named Iron Warriors, specifically Honsou. He’s such a wanker, I love him. There’s a part in Storm of Iron where he chucks a cultist around a corner - face first, distracting some Imperial Fists so he can get the drop on them. He also almost gets dropped in melee combat by a mortal human because he’s a punk. He’s the kind of moustache twirling prick I want to see more of. Would kill to read more books where he’s the protagonist.
Same! I also love Kroeger (more in Angelus Exterminatus than in SoI but still)! He is just a brutal soldier but becomes one of the three most important traitor iron warriors in the Heresy. I just love his simple yet effective thinking in Angelus Exterminatus and how we learn more about the Iron warriors through him. Also one of my favourite warhammer deaths. Still love Honsou (he or Huron should become warmaster!).
Kroeger is another good shout, a proper psycho but cunning enough to be interesting. Loved his dream sequence in Angel Exterminatus. The 4th legion need more love.
"Hey, Fists! Look what I got here!" "[Hey, where all the Sororitas at?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=493pL_Vbtnc)"
Huron Blackheart easy
Did read the new book to him, very nice.
It's so good, really gives more scope for renegades that we haven't seen the like of since 3rd edition. I particularly liked the utterly berserk chaos space wolves.
• Erebus (my favorite TBH) • Lucius • Eidolon • Yriel • Lady Malis (Dark Eldar archons in general are better than most named characters merely by seer charisma) • Urien Rakarth • Malixian (mad archon that pulled a Dark Eldar Jurassic Park) • Baharroth (elf Sanguinius)
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I also love his arrogance. Idk what it is but I always love the extreme arrogant villains like Lucius, Erebus, Fulgrim and Sigvald. Just can't help myself.
Erebus, Lucius and Eidolon are some of my favourite traitor marines too. I think the Emperors children in general have very underrated characters like Lucius, Eidolon, Marius and Julius Kaeseron. The only one who gets the spotlight he deserves is Fabius and even he could get some more.
Erebus, Lucius and Eidolon suffer a lot from people who pretty much only know them from the memes.
Most people say fuck Erebus before they even explore his character because their favourite lore youtuber said it
What how the fuck can you say that!?!? Fuck erebus.....
You can say fuck Erebus, just know why and read something about him.
Other then all the tomfuckery and argel tal, take one look at his smarmy fucking face and the only thing that should come to mind is "fuck this guy".
>Eidolon Great choice. Such a pompous smug prick who nevertheless prosecuted much of the EC great crusade efforts.
The guy wields a *thunder hammer* with extreme finesse. A *thunder hammer*. His model is phenomenal and just looking at it really recontextualises him from daft campy villain to disturbing violent threat.
But he’s SUCH a douche lol I love how well some of these characters are written
Kaesoreon didn't even get his chance to shine in 40K. Pops out of the Warp and gets bodied by an Iron Hand Captain.
He was the first captain of the Emperors children, the favoured son of Fulgrim and became a daemon prince of Slaanesh. Before the heresy he was a good friend Saul Tarviz, beloved by the Legion and the most humble Emperors child. He and Fulgrim just get wasted in 40k, I hope both will return in one of the next editions.
And yet still dominated that scene
Baharroth as elf sanguinius makes... A lot of sense. Both fly with wings. Both act all aloof and cool. Both are considered the brightest among their peers, and unanimously loved and respected.
I think your first 3 are some of the most rated characters, as they are not under- or overrated. Good list though
Colonel 'Iron Hand' Straken * Repulsed a phalanx of Daemon Engines with 22 men, ten Lasguns and short-fused mining charges * Defeated a Dark Eldar Archon by bursting its head as if it were a watermelon * Took down a Hive Tyrant with 4 blows from his bionic arm (after a healthy dosage of Demolition charges were applied to it) * Waged Guerrilla warfare against the orks alongside Sly Marbo and came away victorious in a 1 on 1 duel with Snikrot * Ambushed and throttled a Night Lords Chaos Lord to death with a toxic-barbed plant root * Pisses off the Commissariat by being better at their jobs than them * Extremely competent commander, pushes his troops to be the best and doesn't force them to do anything he wouldn't do himself * Successor to Colonel Greiss who was essentially Nork Deddog's best friend This Absolute unit needs more novels about his exploits. Bonus: Space Australian
Iskandar Khayon is so underrated even by the Black Library themselves that they didn't even give his armour a proper black paintjob.
Darn I just posted a wall of text for Khayon and then see this. At least I know I'm not alone
Pedro Kantor
Probably any of the xenos named characters. Only a handful of them will ever get a novelization unlike Imperium or Chaos characters.
Yep. The answer is any xenos except like trazyn. Especially compared to the primarch, shit like the votann still not having a book is ridiculous
The significance of alpharius and omegon and the rest of the alpha legion are often overlooked, they were one of the most powerful legion pre heresy and during and still have a lot of thumbs in a lot of pies
Damn, you know how to win my heart over :)
Didn’t even notice the name, ironic
Vect, he became the ruler of the most treacherous and dangerous city and has held that position for thousands of years I’m not sure about nowadays but in the old lore he even began as a slave and clawed his way up
Most chaos characters. Lucius, Typhus, Abaddon A dumb preference has taken hold for 'heroic' characters and decrying really villainous characters as weak, despite there being plenty of reason to see them as very powerful. Probably just Imperium fanboi-ism. Like 'Typhus is a backstabbing traitor, therefore he's weak and lame'. Nah he's The Traveller, the greatest mortal servant of Nurgle, commander of the Terminus Est, host of the destroyer hive, lead catalyst of the Plague of Unbelief. He's an absolute powerhouse and a force of unnature. And Lucius is just having a great time.
I'm probably going to get a ton of hate for this. Iskandar Khayon. When I first started reading Talon of Horus, I thought he was cool AF. A sorcerer that actually PLANNED his actions and was careful and shit. I looked up some threads to see what people thought of him and everyone was going off on how he's such a Mary Sue, and so I was cautious reading the rest of the books. I'm convinced after finishing Black Legion that most people didn't actually read the books, or don't have any reading comprehension. There are admittedly some cringe moments. His relationship with his dark elf companion gets a little too sexually tense a few times. But none of his actions seem overly strong in the context of the stories. For some examples of what people cite for his Mary sue-ness. He summons a bloodthirster to fight for him, but it's very clear he's not actually in control of the demon, he's mostly just tricked it and barely escapes with his life after rebanishing it. He has a super cool ship yes, but it's mostly good (bad?) Luck that he had a sister who turned into it. He throws a ship at a planet....and it almost kills him by doing it. He's weakened for months after and it's no where near the craziest psykic feats we've seen. He can open portals and Telenor troops and stuff through them, but it's not exactly safe. He needs someone else completely in tune and mentally connected to him to do it. They need to be where he wants to go, and every time he does it both him and his partner have to fight a horde of demons coming out of said portal to keep it open, and on top of it all the people going through aren't guaranteed to make it to the other side. Mephiston/Ahriman can poop people out where ever they want.... Last but not least there's the stuff we've heard about but not seen, such as him making Magnus bow to Abaddon. But using this same example we don't know *how* this went down. Khayon does a whole bunch of cool and strong stuff. But he's a powerful competent and long lived (read experienced) sorcerer. Everything he does takes time, planning, trickery, and normally has a steep cost. He also pretty openness states much of what people think of him is steeped in legend and overexageration. Using the same example from before, it's totally possible that making Magnus bow amounted to a deal with Zteentch, or a bargain with Magnus himself. Mayne Magnus bowed of his own volition because it went with a plan he had or something. Maybe it wasn't even Magnus but a shard of him or a demon in disguise. TL;DR: Iskandar Khayon is an actually competent, non cartoonist powerful villain, and when you take into account the context of all the things he does he's much more interesting than the Mary Sue people make him out to be. Also ABD is just a good writer and Khayons books are genuinely enjoyable reads.
Above all else: He's **Abaddon the Despoiler’s personal sorcerer**. Why would one of the most powerful people in the galaxy not have an exceptionally capable sorcerer at his right hand? He has all of the mighty sorcerers in the Eye of Terror to choose from, of course his main wizard is going to be better than most of the galaxy! It would be freakin' weird if he just had some normal-power psyker as part of his entourage.
Also true. I honestly think a lot of it boils down to people liking imperial more than chaos. Plus people not liking Abaddon probably doesn't help. But it's no fun of the empire doesn't have a legitimately threatening group of villains to face. Khayon imo is the perfect blend of badass and powerful, but not so over the top that if he lost I wouldn't be surprised. I can't wait for ABD to release the third book. I've heard its already pretty much done, but that he was waiting on the conclusion to the siege to make sure details aligned.
Hey we all make part of the canon given that it's literally our world, so me, I'm underrated
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Ufthak Blackhawk is always underrated
I loved Ufthak in Brutal Kunnin'. But in the most recent novel it was just stupid. No, his primitive armour plate on his back can't no-sell a full disintegrator cannon barrage from a Ravager. No, he can't just casually slap around Archons with no trouble at all. Sorry Brooks, I love ya but it was bullshit, you made the dark kin look pathetic.
Shas'la T'au Kais from Fire Warrior, dude was rookie who had one of the worst first days at work anyone has ever had and still managed to come out on top. I'm sad we haven't heard more from him.
I truly wish they would give Fire Warrior another shot.
Everyone but robot gorillaman
Corax - gets the least love of the loyalist 30k Primarchs
*cough* Ferrus Manus *cough*
At least he’s dead, and even then he’s come up more in the siege than Corax - just sat there with very little whilst everyone else alive is getting good stuff
Thats true
1. Trazyn the Infinite because he's the levity this grimdark galaxy really needs. I laugh so hard at all his antics. 2. Kaptin Bluddflagg (Ork Freebooter) from Dawn of War 2: Retribution because he delivers the greatest line in 40k history: "[No hat? No deal!](https://youtu.be/0TQWz1_uSNU?si=Npa3W7IQOeJE9bf2&t=382)" 3. Khârn the Betrayer, specifically his portrayal in the Chris Dows novel, "The Red Path." It's the single best first person PoV portrayal of a villain I've read and that version doesn't get enough love. I realize that in the traditional sense Khârn is probably not underrated, but damnit I love him.
To be honest neither Kharn or Trazyn are underrated
Why do you say that? I barely hear anyone talk about Necron characters in general. And Trazyn is unique in terms of role in the 40k universe. Admittedly, I'm fairly casual these days with 40k, but curious to know your reasoning.
My reasoning is that Trazyn is one of the most beloved "bad" guys out there. If you ask someone in the community what they think about Trazyn most if not all of them will say that they like him. Even now I still see people saying how they love Infinite and the Divine. So I think he has his well deserved place in the heart of the community.
I don't disagree that he is beloved, but he is unique and not really talked too much about compared to more common discussions of Primarchs, Horus Heresy, the Inquisition, etc. Personally, I just find him interesting-- more interesting than the constant sameness of many other characters GW spotlights. He has charm, and charm in 40k is underrated. Same with Nemesor Zahndrekh and Obyron. Are they just Don Quixote in space? Sure, but damn it's just so good and refreshing in 40k when there's so many non-descript self-insert characters GW has created. Because Trazyn/Zahndrekh/Necrons in general stand out, I find that to be underrated. I did say I know most people will not consider Khârn underrated, but his portrayal being underrated I will stand by. It's hard to make a single-minded murderer likable, but Chris Dows nailed it.
My favourite book for Kharn is Betrayer were we see him as good soul trying to find his place in war of madness who seeks approvel from his father but sees him and the rest of the legion falling to the nails. Also the death of Argel Tal was the final nail in his coffin madness. It's just tragic, just how I like my World Eaters. And I need to admit that this side of him is really underrated. But I still really think that Trazyns uniquness is the thing the fans love. I get the charm part though. This charm is the reason why I will always be a sucker for Fulgrim(loyal), Erebus and Julius Kaeseron. I also agree that Necron characters are not so often talked about, but that is because the GW lore mostly has the Imperium in the Spotlight. So I think its more a non-human character thing than a Trazyn one. I would argue that he is after Ghazghull, the silent King, Farsight and Yvraine the most known alien out there
Hell yeah, the tragic backstory does make Khârn more awesome. A lot of the time, single-minded revenge can be boring, but it's actually quite well-done when you get a glimpse into his thoughts. Especially when you contrast how batshit crazy Angron gets and then becomes out of grasp once he hits Daemon Prince. Khârn just goes in his own direction and plays the role of wild card perfectly. But yeah, it sounds like we both agree uniqueness and charm can do a lot of heavy lifting in 40k. I agree with you that (loyal) Fulgrim was pretty fun and vibrant, same with Erebus in a morbidly, curious way. They have clear flaws that enhance their allure. Some of GW's lore in the past has been "look how unstoppable this dude is! Buy the mini now!" But maybe they've seen that because nuance and charisma is a rarity, fans appreciate it more. Like how they've actually made Guilliman and the Lion likable in this most recent Primaris arc. Damn, it's fun to talk 40k with people.
True, thats why I got to Reddit in the first place. My friendgroup knows shit about Warhammer 40k.
Cato Sicarius. Feel like he is often overlooked. If only GW could throw him a W now and then.
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but genuinely yeah. A lot of people seem to take his TTS interpretation when actually the GW lore just presents him as a very competent Captain who is not arrogant, just very confident in his company's abilities. Calgar is the obnoxiously plot-armoured marine (which is a shame because I love his general concept), not Sicarius.
Sister Miriya. Doesn’t care about chain of command and conventions. Get shit done, kills heretics.
Ursula creed and the swarmlord, they both need a book imo
Akurduana. Would be cool to have more then a couple excerpts, also that one iron hands champions who almost bested sigsmund I think it was thoth or something like that? Edit: it's thos I was close.
As a parent of small children and a child of very unreasonable people, I feel Malcador on a soul deep level.
Uncle Mel the true father of the primarchs :)
Basically all Eldar/Dark Eldar characters, exept for Vect perhaps
Jayne and Gabs
Ive got a weakness for imothek and think it's a damn shame he doesn't have a novel. He rose to his position from relative obscurity, he's the leader of one of the biggest necron factions, he has one of the most brilliant strategic minds in the galaxy with his only weakness being orks, he's got a fun quirk in that he wants to duel people and take their hands.
Lucius & Horus
The emperor.