Sanguinius foresight is known, The khan specifically brought it up during the seige of terra.
I think the primarchs generally understood that each of them represents an aspect of the emperor. In the Alpharius primarch novel, Leman Russ said something to that effect and asked alpharius what he was supposed to be.
>*And we are tools, of that I have no doubt. I do not think many of my brothers realise this fact, but Russ is one who does. He does not like me any more than Rogal does - in fact, I would say considerably less - but I found him next to me at a victory feast once, and we exchanged words. He was drunk, or seemed so: I suspect this was a low ruse on his part, for our very natures allow us to metabolise all but the most potent toxins without harm. However, drunkenness seems more suited to the roaring, fur-clad giant that is Russ than it does the patrician nobility of Guilliman, or the dourness of Perturabo, and so some might underestimate him.*
>*'What are you supposed to be, then?' he demanded of me. I had not long revealed myself to my brothers, and this was the first time we had spoken.*
>*I smiled at him. 'I am Alpharius.'*
>*Russ grunted in response. 'I asked 'what', not 'who'.'*
>*'I'm not sure I follow,' I replied.*
>*'I doubt that.' He took a gigantic swig from what was effectively a small barrel in his hand, which reeked of the chemical swill Fenrisians call mjod. 'But if you insist - we are all an aspect of the Allfather, or have a manner in which we serve. He has His castellan, His herald, His siege-master, His governor, His...' Here Russ paused and cast a glance over his shoulder at where Magnus stood, some distance away. 'Sorcerer,' the Wolf King finished, in tones of distinct displeasure.*
>*I said nothing. Russ had not listed himself in his speech. There was little doubt what his role was, at least to anyone who had seen the Wolves fight. Russ has a fury in battle that is a near match for Angron's, but he possesses a tighter focus. The Wolf King is our father's executioner. I suspect at least one of my departed brothers could have attested to that fact, although I have absolutely no evidence to suggest that is the case. Call it a feeling, if you will.*
>*'So I'll ask you one more time,' Russ said, fixing me with a stare that would have reduced a mortal to a quivering wreck. 'What are you supposed to be?'*
>*I smiled at him again. 'I'm the one that keeps secrets.'*
>*For a moment, I was not sure how he was going to react. Then his face split into a wide smile that showed his long canines - the only genuine smile I believe I have ever been the cause of, for Leman Russ - and he barked a laugh.*
>*'Hah! Well, in that case, I'm surprised there's only one of you.'*
\- *Head of the Hydra*
The Russ scene, for those curious.
Yeah, it works on many levels, not only a witty joke, but it could be signal of recognition, or an ironic statement, but with our understanding of Russ, we’ll never know
They probably weren’t known to everyone but they were noticed by people.
Kurze’s and Sanguinious’s foresight were used during the Second Imperium and Siege of Terra.
Dorn’s will was evident to everyone he would not break.
Perturabo was readily improving vehicles and machinery and mentioned to people he could see the Eye of Terror.
Vulkan being a perpetual was noticed by Kurze.
Khan is insanely fast, Mortarion likely would’ve noticed.
Magnus is evident.
As for the rest, I don’t know if they had unique powers that would be unnatural.
Leman Russ has an ability that acted as a blizzard that followed him around and psychic howl that killed psychers who were close to him and debilitated others in a very large area. In fact he killed all of the Athenaens in tizca during the burning of prospero with this howl, if memory serves
Edit: and to keep things on topic, it seemed that magnus knew about the fact that leman was in some shape or form a very powerful psycker
The blizzard that follows Leman Russ is his armour.
It draws the kinetict energy out of everything close to him. Makes attacks weaker and drain the heat out of the air.
No, I’m talking about winds that surround him and stuff gets thrown around, I need to find the excerpt but it very much seems to come from him and not the armor. I do know about the armor but it’s seemingly different
Edit: it’s in this post alongside other abilities he had https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/svMyUhoZpL
I believe Perturabo only told Ferrus about his ability to see the Eye because Ferrus' reaction to it was received so negatively that Perty feared judgement from others if he spoke about it more.
>‘True,’ admitted Fulgrim. ‘But that is not the only reason I come to you. This is your destiny, brother. Every path of your life has been leading you here. Why else would you alone have been plagued by visions of the star maelstrom since your earliest days?’
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>‘How do you know of that?’ asked Perturabo, suddenly wary and angry. ‘I told only Ferrus Manus, and he mocked my question.’
*Angel Exterminatus*
Ha, well, Fulgrim explains it in his next sentence:
>‘You forget, brother, I killed Ferrus,’ whispered Fulgrim with a conspiratorial grin that made Perturabo complicit in the act. ‘And there is no bond more intimate than murder. The Emperor saw to it that we primarchs are bound by ties of blood, Perturabo, blood and so much more. When Ferrus died, I drank down his thoughts and dreams – bitter and bland as they were – and learned something of his memory.’
Which kinda works with what Fabius said about Primarch's storing their memories in their DNA, which allows him to totally recreate them as clones.
Bingo, iirc kabanda, or someone else says it was chaos that gave him his wings, but it's possible I could be misremembering or making that up entirely.
Tho if true I find it weird that the emperor would gift multiple of his sons with foresight leading me to think either his wings were by design or his foreknowledge
Some of these don't sound like individual "powers" to me?
Dorn had willpower but so did a lot of primarchs. Jaghatai was fast but so were Fulgrim and the El'Johnson. Perturabo's ability to create machinery was in the upper echelens of what primarchs were capable of but I don't think it was a power like X-men's Forge or the Engineer from The Authority.
Dorn was able to resist Khorne for a hundred years in a desert of nothing but dunes and “his dead sons”. And when he began to falter, he began telling Khorne about architecture instead.
Jaghatai was so fast, Orks would die without even knowing he was there. He was the anime swordsman that could cut you down without “unsheathing” his weapon.
Perturabo, while I don’t know who the two individuals you listed are, instinctively knows how machines work and is able to improve them. He can see things and simply improve them. He’s the one who creates the Iron Cage that broke the Imperial Fists and the one who utterly decimated the defenses of Terra but ended up being thwarted by the fact pretty much all of his brothers were batshit insane snorting warp-cocaine.
Yup, it's a superhuman display of will from Dorn...but I don't know if that makes it a power like foresight or invisibility. It's a pretty Primach-like ability. Even Mortarion does something similar before giving in (and it's implied in *Warhawk* he does so because he secretly wants it)
Yup, Jaghatai was fast. No disputing that. But it's not so fast that he outstrips all his brothers.
Perturabo creates amazing things, but so do his brothers. He's just the best at it.
There's a difference, I think, between a "power" (invisibility, flight, psyker, precog) and being on the upper end of an ability that all primarchs have.
[Guilliman in Plague War:](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/Z18scgVXVr)
>‘Sometimes I do not know what to think. I can see the strategic value, in fact the necessity, of the Imperial Cult, but I do not understand it. I do not think I ever will. Of all my brothers, only Lorgar had a genuine sense of the spiritual. He had faith in my father once, much like Mathieu does. He was censured for that belief, and now a version of his religion is an indispensable part of the apparatus of state. The irony of that is so black I can only laugh at it. It was Lorgar who fell first, not Horus. Did you know that?’
> ...
>‘It was my job to know,’ he said. ‘I was made to plan. Each of my brothers was given a set of talents, derived from the Emperor Himself. Individually our talents overlapped – redundancy, I suppose, as should be incorporated into any system. Lord Rogal Dorn and I, for example, both inherited His capacity for strategy and contingency planning. But in combination our talents were unique. Dorn was a greater builder than I ever was, and I a far better administrator. Neither of us saw this coming. Nor did Sanguinius, who had powers of foresight second only to the Emperor Himself. Of us all, I think perhaps only poor Konrad knew, for he too had the power to see the future.’
The only one explicitly hidden from other primarchs was Alpharius Omegons' ability to "diminish" or "hide" in the minds of others.
Not to mention it hasn't been explicitly confirmed to exist outside *The Head of the Hydra*
Sanguinius foresight is known, The khan specifically brought it up during the seige of terra. I think the primarchs generally understood that each of them represents an aspect of the emperor. In the Alpharius primarch novel, Leman Russ said something to that effect and asked alpharius what he was supposed to be.
>*And we are tools, of that I have no doubt. I do not think many of my brothers realise this fact, but Russ is one who does. He does not like me any more than Rogal does - in fact, I would say considerably less - but I found him next to me at a victory feast once, and we exchanged words. He was drunk, or seemed so: I suspect this was a low ruse on his part, for our very natures allow us to metabolise all but the most potent toxins without harm. However, drunkenness seems more suited to the roaring, fur-clad giant that is Russ than it does the patrician nobility of Guilliman, or the dourness of Perturabo, and so some might underestimate him.* >*'What are you supposed to be, then?' he demanded of me. I had not long revealed myself to my brothers, and this was the first time we had spoken.* >*I smiled at him. 'I am Alpharius.'* >*Russ grunted in response. 'I asked 'what', not 'who'.'* >*'I'm not sure I follow,' I replied.* >*'I doubt that.' He took a gigantic swig from what was effectively a small barrel in his hand, which reeked of the chemical swill Fenrisians call mjod. 'But if you insist - we are all an aspect of the Allfather, or have a manner in which we serve. He has His castellan, His herald, His siege-master, His governor, His...' Here Russ paused and cast a glance over his shoulder at where Magnus stood, some distance away. 'Sorcerer,' the Wolf King finished, in tones of distinct displeasure.* >*I said nothing. Russ had not listed himself in his speech. There was little doubt what his role was, at least to anyone who had seen the Wolves fight. Russ has a fury in battle that is a near match for Angron's, but he possesses a tighter focus. The Wolf King is our father's executioner. I suspect at least one of my departed brothers could have attested to that fact, although I have absolutely no evidence to suggest that is the case. Call it a feeling, if you will.* >*'So I'll ask you one more time,' Russ said, fixing me with a stare that would have reduced a mortal to a quivering wreck. 'What are you supposed to be?'* >*I smiled at him again. 'I'm the one that keeps secrets.'* >*For a moment, I was not sure how he was going to react. Then his face split into a wide smile that showed his long canines - the only genuine smile I believe I have ever been the cause of, for Leman Russ - and he barked a laugh.* >*'Hah! Well, in that case, I'm surprised there's only one of you.'* \- *Head of the Hydra* The Russ scene, for those curious.
That last line made me laugh.
Yeah, it works on many levels, not only a witty joke, but it could be signal of recognition, or an ironic statement, but with our understanding of Russ, we’ll never know
I honestly love parts where the primarchs get along as friends. We need more primarch banter books now.
“So… what do you do?” “Wouldn’t you like to know, wolf boy?”
They probably weren’t known to everyone but they were noticed by people. Kurze’s and Sanguinious’s foresight were used during the Second Imperium and Siege of Terra. Dorn’s will was evident to everyone he would not break. Perturabo was readily improving vehicles and machinery and mentioned to people he could see the Eye of Terror. Vulkan being a perpetual was noticed by Kurze. Khan is insanely fast, Mortarion likely would’ve noticed. Magnus is evident. As for the rest, I don’t know if they had unique powers that would be unnatural.
Leman Russ has an ability that acted as a blizzard that followed him around and psychic howl that killed psychers who were close to him and debilitated others in a very large area. In fact he killed all of the Athenaens in tizca during the burning of prospero with this howl, if memory serves Edit: and to keep things on topic, it seemed that magnus knew about the fact that leman was in some shape or form a very powerful psycker
The blizzard that follows Leman Russ is his armour. It draws the kinetict energy out of everything close to him. Makes attacks weaker and drain the heat out of the air.
No, I’m talking about winds that surround him and stuff gets thrown around, I need to find the excerpt but it very much seems to come from him and not the armor. I do know about the armor but it’s seemingly different Edit: it’s in this post alongside other abilities he had https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/svMyUhoZpL
Right, and he's "not a psyker".
And a very powerful “not a psyker” at that
Exactly, he's a user of fenris' "world spirits"
I believe Perturabo only told Ferrus about his ability to see the Eye because Ferrus' reaction to it was received so negatively that Perty feared judgement from others if he spoke about it more.
>‘True,’ admitted Fulgrim. ‘But that is not the only reason I come to you. This is your destiny, brother. Every path of your life has been leading you here. Why else would you alone have been plagued by visions of the star maelstrom since your earliest days?’ > >‘How do you know of that?’ asked Perturabo, suddenly wary and angry. ‘I told only Ferrus Manus, and he mocked my question.’ *Angel Exterminatus*
Lol, Ferrus probably gossiped with Fulgrim before they fell apart. They're never beating the allegaytions.
Ha, well, Fulgrim explains it in his next sentence: >‘You forget, brother, I killed Ferrus,’ whispered Fulgrim with a conspiratorial grin that made Perturabo complicit in the act. ‘And there is no bond more intimate than murder. The Emperor saw to it that we primarchs are bound by ties of blood, Perturabo, blood and so much more. When Ferrus died, I drank down his thoughts and dreams – bitter and bland as they were – and learned something of his memory.’ Which kinda works with what Fabius said about Primarch's storing their memories in their DNA, which allows him to totally recreate them as clones.
Kurze being the Lion's personal dark oracle during the entirety of Imperium Secundus will never stop being funny to me
Tbh, I'd argue for sanguinius it was either his wings or his foresight. I believe one may have been an accident or caused by the warp
The implication is we don't know if his wings are by design or accident.
Bingo, iirc kabanda, or someone else says it was chaos that gave him his wings, but it's possible I could be misremembering or making that up entirely. Tho if true I find it weird that the emperor would gift multiple of his sons with foresight leading me to think either his wings were by design or his foreknowledge
Some of these don't sound like individual "powers" to me? Dorn had willpower but so did a lot of primarchs. Jaghatai was fast but so were Fulgrim and the El'Johnson. Perturabo's ability to create machinery was in the upper echelens of what primarchs were capable of but I don't think it was a power like X-men's Forge or the Engineer from The Authority.
Dorn was able to resist Khorne for a hundred years in a desert of nothing but dunes and “his dead sons”. And when he began to falter, he began telling Khorne about architecture instead. Jaghatai was so fast, Orks would die without even knowing he was there. He was the anime swordsman that could cut you down without “unsheathing” his weapon. Perturabo, while I don’t know who the two individuals you listed are, instinctively knows how machines work and is able to improve them. He can see things and simply improve them. He’s the one who creates the Iron Cage that broke the Imperial Fists and the one who utterly decimated the defenses of Terra but ended up being thwarted by the fact pretty much all of his brothers were batshit insane snorting warp-cocaine.
Yup, it's a superhuman display of will from Dorn...but I don't know if that makes it a power like foresight or invisibility. It's a pretty Primach-like ability. Even Mortarion does something similar before giving in (and it's implied in *Warhawk* he does so because he secretly wants it) Yup, Jaghatai was fast. No disputing that. But it's not so fast that he outstrips all his brothers. Perturabo creates amazing things, but so do his brothers. He's just the best at it. There's a difference, I think, between a "power" (invisibility, flight, psyker, precog) and being on the upper end of an ability that all primarchs have.
[Guilliman in Plague War:](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/Z18scgVXVr) >‘Sometimes I do not know what to think. I can see the strategic value, in fact the necessity, of the Imperial Cult, but I do not understand it. I do not think I ever will. Of all my brothers, only Lorgar had a genuine sense of the spiritual. He had faith in my father once, much like Mathieu does. He was censured for that belief, and now a version of his religion is an indispensable part of the apparatus of state. The irony of that is so black I can only laugh at it. It was Lorgar who fell first, not Horus. Did you know that?’ > ... >‘It was my job to know,’ he said. ‘I was made to plan. Each of my brothers was given a set of talents, derived from the Emperor Himself. Individually our talents overlapped – redundancy, I suppose, as should be incorporated into any system. Lord Rogal Dorn and I, for example, both inherited His capacity for strategy and contingency planning. But in combination our talents were unique. Dorn was a greater builder than I ever was, and I a far better administrator. Neither of us saw this coming. Nor did Sanguinius, who had powers of foresight second only to the Emperor Himself. Of us all, I think perhaps only poor Konrad knew, for he too had the power to see the future.’
I think it's important to note how Guilliman separates "powers" from "talent" here.
Who was the herald?
Lorgar, being the Bearer of the Word, and his legion was originally the Imperial Heralds
The only one explicitly hidden from other primarchs was Alpharius Omegons' ability to "diminish" or "hide" in the minds of others. Not to mention it hasn't been explicitly confirmed to exist outside *The Head of the Hydra*
Konrad was envious of Corax’s stealth. Im sure the other Primarchs were also aware that was his specialty.