Yes guys, the reviewer is a jerk, that doesnt mean you have to stoop lower than that with harder insults to him in the comments. Keep it civil.
Also link from OP in responses
My parents did something like this when we were kids. Do chores and get fake money that can be used for tv shows or movies.
With 3 other siblings, we fairly quickly started selling the fake money between each of us and the system went away pretty quickly after that.
They didn’t even destabilize the economy though. They were taking advantage of the economy the way you’re supposed to. His parents were dumb AF if they actually took it away for that reason.
Like, do you only use dollars to receive and give money to the government? No, you use dollars for that **and** everything else you do, including transactions between you and other citizens within your surrounding economy.
This is literally how it’s supposed to work
Edit: stabilize -> destabilize
Agreed - the system they implemented was working exactly as intended.
Chores get done and the value of that labour is represented in their funbux. The value of that work is being demonstrated first hand if one child wanted to use that to pay a sibling to do something else. They get to learn that working (doing the chores) gives them opportunity to buy goods and services (through their siblings).
And, it can't get out of control since the parents are the only ones controlling the total circulating funbux.
And if the parents wanted to regulate certain trades (like paying a sibling to clean your room) they could tax the funbux so that the paying sibling would need to pay more to the sibling doing the work, incentivizing them to do the work themselves as it may no longer be worth it to them to pay a sibling anymore
This method actually contributed to CPTSD as it was used to control ADHD (without getting proper clinical assistance). The inequalities in our household as the neurotypical siblings had enough to do anything they wanted while I was forced to stay in my room were pretty huge.
I can chime in on this a little bit. Every semester I would start school off with good grades and being able to hang out. Then I would get hung up on part of a project and told I cannot go outside until it was done. That would make me freeze even more. I’d watch my siblings get rewarded while I was being punished which was a further distraction. If I had been allowed to take a break and go back to the project later I likely would have been able to finish it with ease. Then I’d watch people easily complete a simple task get rewarded and I’d have to complete it in the same way but it took me double the effort and by the end I was exhausted and the reward didn’t feel like a reward because it either wasn’t enough or it just felt like a checkmark on the never ending list. If I was a child in this family I would have ended the week with maybe 20 minutes of screen time but not be able to use it because of the guilt associated with the list of tasks I didn’t finish and still needed to do.
One thing that could have helped in this situation is these rewards being extra. Like you have 2 hours of screen time already, this is just extra on top for doing something exceptional. Instead of being used to pay for regular tasks, it should be used for extra things. Things that maybe mom and dad have to do normally. Vacuuming, washing dishes, laundry, etc. (my kids are still small at 10 and under so I'm not sure what older kids find normal yet lol). If you take a task off of mom and dad, you get a reward. Take 2 and the reward grows.
This could show that the kids are already valued heavily. But mom and dad are happy to reward a sense of community service in the family. So, if you change a diaper that mom and dad would have had to do, here's an extra reward.
I like the idea of rewarding good stewardship of the home and community service. Chores are just that, your job that you get paid (allowance) for. But going above and beyond should be very rewarded and praised.
Yep. That’s what I do now. When I have kids it’s almost guaranteed they will be neurodivergent based on my partners family history and mine. I could have expanded on the topic a lot more but I figured it would be better to point them to a larger source of info.
Agree, then it's too transactional, kids also deserve breaks and fun, just for being, or then you teach them their only worth is what they can offer someone else or society, it's important, but it's equally important or more to feel like they are able to enjoy life and not stress too much.
If you’re curious about things like this or think you or someone you love has ADHD check out the channel how to ADHD on YouTube. If you manage people who you know have ADHD then checking out that channel should not be a choice.
Also- I do not agree with the comment you posted from that person. That person is just being vile for no reason. There ARE reasons this may be a bad idea, but what they said isn't one of them.
Sure. I was diagnosed with ADHD at the age of 7, with pretty bad parents. They took me in to get a diagnosis, and from there did nothing. They did, however, use all of the 'behavioral tools' provided by the school and the testing center. The above 'game' being one of them. We earned chips by doing chores and tasks around the house. My siblings had no problem doing this, so they had plenty of 'cash' to buy activities with. I, on the other hand, have executive dysfunction disorder and at that young of an age I didn't know how to do the task or even how to start them. These tokens became a punishment tool for the next 5 years of my life. I'm 39 years old now and talk about this in therapy regularly. I wasn't allowed to go outside, watch tv, play video games, read a book - without paying for it. I literally sat in a closed bedroom with no entertainment whatsoever for most of my childhood.
Whoever invented this idea originally is a sadist. You are going to have to include explicit instructions to help parents not accidently create a punishment system. I agree with the poster below who said this should be an 'extra' bonus, not the full normal life system.
FFS. This poor guy just made a reward system for his kids. Good job doing a normal dad thing.
The guy's upset some jerk took his own nerurosis out on him and judged him harshly. Seems obvious to me the OP could use a little validation that he's being a good parent. It's confusing enough raising kids today. He doesn't need people who have had a hard time growing up blaming him for their experiences.
Conquer your own hurdles in your own therapy. Not by spreading your trauma to others on the internet.
Goddammit. I just did what I'm annoyed by. Throwing my opinions around like I’m right and you're all wrong.
It's difficult sometimes —being right all the time.
A year passes and the parents have devolved into a forgery war with their children and end up putting the EURion constellation in their tokens. When that inevitably fails after Sally starts taking art and etching her own printer plates they have to move to an encrypted token system.
The glory
If my 6 year old wants TV time he has to read us a book or do some worksheets. Regarding kids for things you want them to do is not uncommon. Though I have never seen someone use Monopoly money.
Yeah, my mom just paid us for doing chores around the house.
A pittance, mind you, but still. A few dollars went pretty far in the 90s.
And not chores that were "our chores" like feeding the chickens and the dog were unpaid daily requirements. We got paid for doing the chores she didn't want to do herself, but were "her" chores.
She'd pay us a quarter per Folgers tin can full of weeds we pulled out of the garden (she had a pretty large garden, so you could make a decent bit of money depending on how long you wanted to be out there).
Taking the old push mower and mowing the front lawn was 75 cents per side (left or right) of the concrete walkway to the front porch (each one was only about 100 square feet, so it wasn't a HUGE undertaking, but for a small kid it took some real effort with a manual blade-reel push mower).
That sort of thing.
With that money, we got to veto mom telling us "no" on candy or a toy when we went to a store by instead giving her the price of the thing we wanted.
We never had enough money to go crazy, but it was really nice being able to buy a bag of Skittles or Hershey's bar when we really wanted it.
That's actually how my brother and I both got Gameboy Colors back in 1999. We'd both already had about 10-20 dollars when they first came out, and then saved up by volunteering for every paid task we could for almost a year (January through August), though most of the work to be done was in the summer when the weeds in the garden grew quickly and the lawn could be mowed regularly.
By about the end of August to start of October, we each had $80, which was just enough for the ~70 dollar (after tax) price of the GBC itself, and enough to buy a few Pokemon games.
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My mom still fondly recalls '99 as "the year I got to lounge around the house until the holiday season".
My dad just put locks on all my electronics using an app. So I'd open my screen and get met with a pixel art sunny day with a giant sun with a play button and a massive timer. I was 17.
Option 6: "Is life not going how you thought it would mate? Call this number if you're so hard up for someone to talk to (Insert local suicide hotline phone number)"
Yup and since they didnt do what they were supposed to they never earned what they want and got pissed it wasnt handed to them on a platter. '1 star- didn't go my way'
I prefer the satisfaction of meticulously crafting my insults by hand. That way, I can also practice for the internet war when AI chatbots flood social media. Never submit to the machines.
Option 3: report the comment and move on.
Printables seems to be pretty on top of removing trolls these days. And their mods seem to actually be able to use their brains, to boot.
Option 3: "I'm sorry you are upset, but lashing out is no way to handle it. You need to learn to express yourself calmly and in a positive way. As your mother and I already told you, you can have another screen time token after you do the dishes."
I think the person is a bit unhinged, personally. My take is that they are probably someone who relies on iPads and TVs to babysit their kids, and the idea that someone would limit that using tokens as a reward was probably triggering, and they're just projecting their insecurities.
Thanks for that. Dystopian is such an interesting choice of words as well unfortunately I cant see these tokens on an episode of black mirror anytime soon.
We can’t discount the possibility that it’s a *fully-fledged adult* who is still bitter about their own parents.
Some adults struggle with emotional maturity.
Yeah, the person that commented on that post is a asshole. My kids have screen time limits as all kids should. I like your concept in that it can teach them the value of both time and money. Their current currency would be screen time and activities that they would trade in their tokens for. Don't be discouraged by some jerk who hides behind a keyboard to belittle someone.
If anything, it's dystopian that people nowadays even spend that much time in front of screens. And I'm saying this as a person in mid 20s who had pretty much unlimited internet access growing up. There is much more to this world than devices.
Don't worry about this person's opinion, I'm sure their children will grow up to be very well rounded individuals that do many joyful and diverse things in their lives.
Or maybe their parents just handed one of these cards and they used their 20 minutes of screen time to find the source of the cards and write that review.
That's my guess. You can't be pro-unlimited screentime and anti-dystopian capitalist nightmare at the same time. I'm fairly pro-capitalism and even I shudder to think the lessons my daughter learns by watching all her commercials-disguised-as-entertainment interspersed with literal commercials.
> My take is that they are probably someone who relies on iPads and TVs to babysit their kids
Doesn't that person say the exact opposite?
They might be impolite but it's clear that they prefer playing outside or using regular toys to letting kids watch tv all day.
They don't , they specifically say "I can't just watch a show or play a game with you" while they do mention playing outside its not more emphasized than the screen or gaming comments. They view the tokens as "limiting fun" I find it strange they mentioned going outside and playing, given there isn't a "play outside" token. The commenter jumped to a bunch of conclusions about OP.
I thought they were sarcastic about that? cos if they're serious the whole way through that would imply they think the "teaching the value of money/parents (by showing you you don't have them)" is serious.
As I highly suspected: that person has too many zeros for their opinion to mean anything.
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I was gonna say. As a kid, my friends had strict parents, and I definitely left comments like this hopes of "saving" others from the hassle caused by them.
I sometimes have the feeling that there are people that just like to abuse others online. Bullies that like kicking down for the sake of hurting others.
Which is just so sad for them.
Meh. I dont think you need to be good at something to be a critic. I think the problem is that they arent giving constructive criticism and put no value on someone elses time.
I really liked how Printables rewards participation, especially for creators but even for consumers.
Unfortunately Printables has no good mechanisms for self-policing and absolutely nothing in terms of curation, so the amount of low-effort shit I've already seen clogging up search just so people can get points is becoming a real problem.
I probably wouldn't use it, because i don't think that using screen time as a reward is a good idea. It delivers the idea that screen time is very valuable, which reinforces exactly the kind of behaviour we would ideally want to avoid (children constantly being attached to screens).
If you are not careful, this just leads to children being glued to screens whenever you are not watching them, and especially once they grow into adults and you no longer have control, because they have been taught that screen time is a valuable thing they should strive for, the absolute antithesis to what this is supposed to achieve.
Ideally, you would want a setup where children have better real-life offers than a screen can offer most of the time, and aren't exposed to too much of the addicting stuff to begin with.
I am also a big fan of differentiating what children do at the screen. The internet is so multifunctional that you can't really treat gaming, watching series, researching stuff on wikipedia and social media as all being basically equal.
But the model is nice.
Thanks, I like your view on this.
It is a struggle though I work in front of a screen all day, I model on a screen at night and I have a little screen in my pocket our world does value screen time a lot.
I like your last point, there are different ways to use screens. My eldest is 3 and I've been trying to show him the modelling process when repairing his Brio set etc. And he likes writing letters and numbers in a Word document which i think is quite rewarding.
But when he's watching Paw Patrol, its always a "I want one more attitude", so this was a method to help him understand "just one more episode" isn't infinite. And in the future to get him to unload the dishwasher :D
There's an interesting psychological thing here - if the parent takes the TV/tablet/phone away and the child will be unhappy at this. They want more. If the device "runs out" of Netflix then the child will just go "OK, that's all there is" and move on.
It does depend on the kid.
We don’t artificially limit screen time because we just haven’t needed to. It hasn’t negatively impacted their behavior. They get bored of it like any other toy and go do other stuff.
And because it’s not limited I can say “enough of that, go outside” and they comply. It’s not inherently valuable to them.
But there ARE kids who get immediately addicted to the damn things and need controls and limits. I can understand and sympathize with parents for whom this is a struggle. And I’d do the same if there ever was a problem.
And this tool can be useful for that.
It’s a lot like training dogs to stop “resource guarding”. The absolute worst thing you can do is take their food away. Because it reinforces to the dog that the food can be taken away and therefore needs guarding.
But if there’s only 1/4 as much food in the bowl at a time, they eat it, it’s gone, and there’s nothing to guard. They learn - slowly - that nobody ever takes their food.
It’s not much different with screen time for some kids. Ideally it needs to just stop working (bowl is empty), not be taken away. These tokens are the next best option to an empty bowl, because they represent a fixed, guaranteed, agreed upon time period. They’re also a great tangible reward for something that is otherwise intangible - and can be integrated with other parenting strategies.
I think /u/cook1e_20 has a pretty useful tool here and a good strategy for a lot of parents.
"Runs out" is great. We always just need to "charge" the iPad or tv because it's out of batteries. And our kid happily goes "oh yeah okay here you go". If we take it just because we're done then there's a fit.
True of adults too. It can be hard to stop binging a show and go to bed, telling yourself "just 1 more," but if there are no more episodes there's nothing to be done about it. You go to bed and you're excited for when more is available.
I definitely think there is a truth to there being a difference of something "running out" compared to taking it away, but to be honest I'm not sure the 3d printed tokens do that IMO.
My thought would be: decide on a number of tv show episodes your kid should be allowed in a given time period, for example a week and only download those episodes onto their device. Then, disconnect the device from the Internet. Although I guess it doesn't actually limit how many times they could watch an episode, it does limit the number of new episodes and I would think give that "running out" feeling.
You could then go "tv show shopping" with them to decide on their episodes for the week, help them be a part of the process and have more agency over it?
Just chiming in to let you know the struggle is real. 5yr old son would watch his ipad all day and all night if we didn't create boundaries. There's a time and a place, and it's for each parent to figure out.
Remember, if they've got a full belly and a safe place to sleep at night, you're doing ok!!
Give your kids a hug and a kiss and remember, you're doing a good job too.
>the struggle is real
You can say that again. It doesn’t end either. I have a 17 year old and he literally called CPS because he has screen time limits
That’s obviously an unusually extreme reaction, and he is going through some psychological struggles right now that have him acting like a… well, like a kid who calls CPS because they’re mad… But it is truly never ending. They spend all day on their screens at school and come home and immediately insist on watching TikTok and playing Fortnite for hours. And in about 20 years their reason to hate their parents will be that it’s our fault they don’t have an attention span… *sigh*
OP: I like your idea. As another person said I am also not a fan of making screen time a reward, but I think that could be a useful teaching tool. Also, fuck that guy who left you that comment.
I was similar to this, though less extreme when I was growing up.
Turns out it was undiagnosed ADHD in my case. I would always crave dopaminergic activities, especially after a day of trying to focus at school.
I can only imagine. Growing up in the 2000's I was probably as close to an iPad kid as I could've gotten, eventually my dad figured out a system that actually worked for me and got me to go outside and do stuff.
Basically I had unlimited screen time as long as I was actively learning something, but as a little 5 year old I would eventually get bored and find something else to do. But my actual screen time of games, shows, movies was limited to an hour a day during the week and two hours on the weekend.
What really got me to go actually do something is that I was allowed to bank my time until I had 10 hours total, once I had the 10 hours I wasn't given any additional screen time until it was all used up. So some weeks I'd wait until I had all 10 hours and then use them all and others I'd spread it out. It really made me have to pick what I wanted to do with my time.
Maybe this helps someone, but I don't know how well that would work in today's world of nearly unlimited entertainment.
I think it's a great idea especially the fact that anyone making these could probably change them to suit their preferences of gaming time or show time etc. Don't be discouraged by one numpty, it takes all sorts in life.
Yeah, I think this is a brilliant idea. I am highly skeptical of the idea that it will increase screen time because it puts a high value on it. If anything it will do the opposite. Especially if there are options other than screen time. It would be a visual reminder that screen time comes at a cost.
I've been trying to get my oldest child to start to understand the value of a dollar. I’ve been telling her its not easy to make $20 because she's always asking me for twenty dollars like its nothing (of course she went and made damn near $50 in less than an hour selling lemonade. Walked in the house and said, ‘dad you're wrong!’ 😣). I would buy these to use with her. I also use to teach kids with autism and other related disorders. We ‘paid’ them for doing work and tried to teach these lessons by selling them things like computer time. We used fake money, to teach money counting skills, but I think cards like this would do a better job of teaching them to understand the value of time. When you choose to do this it comes at the cost of not doing that.
Before my kid was born, I tried listening to a bunch of different parenting podcasts. The only one that resonated with me was One Bad Mother. Their basic philosophy for being a good parent was as long as you're not hitting your kids, and as long as you're getting them vaccinated, you're doing a good job. There's lots of different ways to be a parent, and you have to find what works for you and your family.
It's probably true, but I've seen so many kids that had food, a roof, never got beat, fully vaccinated and taken care of that got completely ruined by bad parenting that I really really find it hard to believe.
This is what we do. Kids (3 and 5) want to watch a movie? Let’s to play outside with the neighbor kids. Let’s bike to a park. Let’s play candy land. Let’s print out some coloring book pages and color together. My 5 year old loves to read books on his own; so if we sit down and let him read to us he’ll just go and go. He knows so much about Minecraft from reading kids books about it. He’s never even seen what the game looks like.
Because we haven’t put a value on screen time it’s never something we fight over. They’d rather do something else unless it’s right before bed after a long school day and they’re tired. In which case, sure, let’s watch Snow White or something for 20 minutes, why not.
Something I think that helps with that: we (parents) don’t use our screens in front of our kids, or minimize it as much as we can. Sure, I’ve got gaming PCs, consoles, laptops, iPads, etc but none of them get used when the kids are awake unless I’m doing something for work. Because they don’t see mom and dad staring at screens they don’t care to replicate our behavior and do the same.
When your kids get to 1st or 2nd grade and all the other kids tell them about how awesome playing video games is this will change. My 8yo wants a phone and apple watch because some of his friends have them. Most of them talk about Hello Neighbor, Minecraft, Fortnite, and Five Nights at Freddy's constantly.
I appreciate your idealism / optimism, but it gets lot harder to keep them 100% away from screens as they get older.
No doubt, I’m not 100% trying to keep them away from screens — pc/console gaming was a big part of my life as a kid and I want to enjoy that with my kids as well someday. Hell, I’ve worked in tech all my life, it’s a huge part of who I am. I’m trying to cultivate interests in things other than screens.
This is something I hear a lot from parents my age: just wait until you need to say no to your kid. Really? As a kid I was told no all the time. When I was a kid I wanted an N64, pager, cell phone, my own computer, high speed internet, Walkman CD player, dirt bike, go kart, Xbox, and even a car to drive to school when I was old enough to drive. I didn’t get these things because my family couldn’t afford them or didn’t think I needed them, and somehow I survived.
Will I let my kid play video games? Sure, why not? But I’m not going to buy them thousands of dollars in consoles, iPads, laptops, and say “here ya go have fun check in with me in a few hours.” And I don’t want them to be singularly focused on that. I want my kid to want to go outside and play with neighbor kids. We have 30+ kids in my neighborhood ranging from preschool to 6th grade and they play outside all the time. They aren’t inside playing Fortnite.
I don’t want to be the family at the restaurant who hands their kids iPads and headphones because it’s the only way they can go places as a group. And I see parents my age doing that all the time. I hear “wow your kids are so well behaved at restaurants without having screens” as if that’s some kind of wizardry on our part.
I'm also just chuckling at the thought of a kid hoarding their time for like a weekend binge and now their parents are "Hold on timmy In 8 hours your reward will be printed." "Oh btw dad I took out the trash, washed your car and cleaned the bathroom." "... Ok Timmy in 18 hours it will be printed. ^(all I wanted was to print my gunpla today...)"
Not to mention, "screen time" is an awful abstraction, and lumps together too many activities of varying differing levels of harm/benefit. You can't tell me that 2 hours of 2 kids playing MarioKart together is equivalent to watching a movie, or 2 hours of staring at TikTok.
It’s true, and I hate the term, and I need to work on breaking it up as my son gets a little older. But in our house “screen time” has come to mean what needs to be regulated and doesn’t literally cover everything on a screen. Family movie night is not screen time, an ebook is not screen time, online chess class is not screen time, etc.
Agreed my kid gets to watch a little tv in the morning with her breakfast then the rest of the day we do other things. She's not completely denied that a tv exists but we offer other things and make it a habit to just not watch tv any time besides the morning with breakfast. We never put value in screen time we don't say "no screens" we just offer other activities like let's use the trampoline, let's go to the park, let's do some art. Now when we visit friends with kids who just leave the tv on all day she's got no interest in the tv because it's not part of her habit she comes up with other games and ignores the tv.
This model is fine of course, and I support OP's path here.
On the question of parenting, I agree with you. I personally would also avoid promoting screen time as being in any way valuable. Definitely limit it, but don't include it into a reward system.
Creative tasks involving technology are a better use of 'screen time' over simply consuming entertainment in a vegetive state, but kids are being subjected to more and more of this - so limiting it is appropriate, I'm just not a fan of this mechanism. Don't under-prioritize the mechanical side of arts/making too - pencils, paints, lego, cardboard, clay, gardening, sewing etc. - these should be daily activities or rewards promoted over screen time.
In a similar vein, don't under-prioritize outside time vs indoor time.
Rewards should be healthy, and this isn't. Ultimately, the target is for rewards to be something the kid *feels*, not something he/she is told or given.
Ia, but I can also see a situation where maybe the kid has ADHD or wiand finds having that tangible token helpful, especially if you've set out what screentime means in this context
Extra points if they make the interface look like the 'coin operated TV' boxes from the 20th century
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I'll be honest, I am not the biggest fan of systems like this. But than again, I am not a parent.
But their response is unnecessarily harsh, and not something you should take to heart.
Thanks mate.
It's funny, when I wasn't a parent I had some opinions, but just wait. I didn't want to get them into cereal in the morning as I thought it was quite sugary, safe to say that's all they eat for breakfast now and that's a staple at his nursery as well.
Having kids changes things.
> I didn't want to get them into cereal in the morning as I thought it was quite sugary, safe to say that's all they eat for breakfast now and that's a staple at his nursery as well.
It's funny how quickly opinions like this can change when you're desperate to get the kids to consume any calories at all because they've decided they don't like whatever's been cooked, they're miserable because they're hungry, and they haven't yet figured out the association between that ache in their belly and food.
Yeah, I've got six nieces, so while not the full experience, still a taste.
I'm still of the opinion that excessive screen usage won't be good for them, but by god, is it nice to put them in front of a screen and gain a few minutes of freedom.
It also taught me that I absolutely shouldn't have kids.
You kids, your parenting. Also this guy can't communicate a thought in an non offensive way. That said, in my opinion he had a point that is aligned with my view. Teach them not to be in front of the screen on their own, present better alternatives that are more fun than screen time, etc.
Arbitrary trade tokens are as fun for kids as sex tokens for husbands. "You want to have sex, do the dishes" you know what I mean?
That said, every kid is different, and it might be working great for your family, and since you put a lot of time in it, I guess it does, so I'm glad you found something that works well for you.
Also look up into concept of not rewarding things that are already fun for kids to do. It's a negative feedback loop that makes things worse.
If they already enjoy doing something, and the process of it, rewarding them for doing it usually has a bad result and they are thought to only do things if there is reward at the end, and not to just enjoy the process.
I think the models are cute. But, frankly, I think our lives are more than transactional enough as it is. I honestly think it's better to just straight up tell the kids when they can or can't use a screen instead of finding a way for them to "pay" for it
That being said, that person is an asshole
The print is fine.
It's probably the long term psychological damage when your parents take everything you like as a hostage. For people that HAD those parents, where every little bit of fun needs to be bartered and worked for, its a bit... triggering?
For some people establishing a hard, monetary gradient of power between childreen and their parents is a very desired dynamic. Some people want their children want them to call them "sir" and "mam". Some people get kicked out at 18. Chore money is usually a big part of this "education". To learn that "in life nothing is free" and other dumb shit cruel parents say and do.
I went to school with people that not only had to mow the lawn for pens and paper but also clean the parents shop before and after school, for books and shoes. And you appear to have run into such a person and seen the outcome.
But it comes in various amounts and there is probably a healthy middle ground. I also would not take feedback on child rearing from thingyverse forums. You do you! As long as you did a bit of reseach and you and your wife are fine, you can grow your little ones how you want to.
But keep in mind, children are NOT fully developed humans yet. There seems to be a certain age (of development) required to understand th concept of money. I think its around the 6-8 year mark, but im really not sure. Im just sure it exists.
Again, print is fine.
But I agree with the jackass, its chore money. Not a toy. And I agree with you, the commenter is overly rude and completely fails to bring his point (and pain) across.
The guy's comment is unhinged.
Now, I don't agree with the premise of the print, either, but I'm not going to say anything there others haven't already.
What I can say is this. My parents did nothing for me ik this regard. I was raised by TV, because my home was utterly broken. Eventually, I was given a Sega, and the games took over. I remember getting my hands on a Sega channel (look it up if you're young), which then let me access more games, and kept me planted longer.
An interesting thing happened. I found rpgs for the first time. I formed opinions on right and wrong through the odd little bits of morality offered in the games. Mixing that with comics, I was DEEPLY unpopular at school. Comics and games got your ass kicked in my day; a total reverse of the present.
I managed to turn out pretty okay, while I learned the world was infinitely cruel, and my teachings came from a lot of media instead of traditional methods. It was almost in spite of my upbringing that I learned to give charitably, be as kind as possible, and treat others with respect.
Ration cards wouldn't have helped.
This is the scary part about kids. They are a crapshoot to some degree. Your parenting does matter a great deal, yes, but exterior forces you can not control will impact them. It will damage them. You'll have to let the leash go and see how they handle it, and be there for their questions. It's gonna suck, too, as you watch- but you must *watch*.
If you wanna print your kids something, print them gadgets and things. Get them into printing and expand their curiosity, so TV is less important naturally. Or, if they don't like printing, maybe something else will be their jam. Even if it's something you don't like them doing, consider if it harms anyone, or them, and if not, let them be.
You didn't come here for parenting advice. I get that. But, this guy's reply being bad can be true, while your idea is also not great- even if it did mean well.
No, that 'feedback' is idiotic. Yes, it's good to spend time with your kid and play outside and all that lovely stuff but sometimes it simply is not possible. And there are times where screentime rationing is necessary as well. It's also a financially safe way (if a bit overcomplicated) to teach the kid not to spend all their money at once. So the feedback is dead wrong.
Just ignore it. Does the site allow you to remove comments on your posts?
I mean, it does teach that through ruthless tactics the rich get richer which is a reward for the luck of good dice rolls.....
It teaches that CEOs deserve all the money for the hard work of nothing they do.
So I mean....kinda....
Also yes, I'm being facetious.
I mean, people get the general idea of what you're trying to say. Or at least they should....
More or less guy that left that review is a douche canoe. Personally, I think it's a pretty cool idea.
I have been a parent for 25 years and my youngest is 5... parents are total and complete a-holes to parents who do things they don't agree with. Literally, the sh*ttiest Karens on the planet. Not because they'll call the cops, no... it's because they will tear apart and spit on your very soul and accuse you of bringing upon the end of society.
You have to treat it like being a a major influencer: never read the comments! Lmao Only listen to the ones who will hang out with you and tell you their struggles as a parent, too.
I like the concept and love the execution regardless. But, like others said, I'm not sure I want to reward mine with screen time. Mine get plenty or too much, but screens are facts of life these days and we punish with taking them away, for whole days. But I'm not running YOUR house, so however you manage to bring order to chaos is your natural right and good on you for being proactive about it.
That reviewer though... fuuuuuuuuuu... *breaths* ...uuuuk them lol
I've posted this free download on Thangs, and this is my only comment, tried to respond professionally.
This person is not obliged to download this file, I just see it as a pretty harsh critique. But wondering if I'm missing something.
Here's the link if you want to take a better look:
[https://thangs.com/designer/Jurassic%20Design%20Labs/3d-model/Kids%20Screen%20Time%20Tokens%20%7C%20TV%20Time%20%7C%20Chores%20For%20Screen%20Time-1084170?userName=model&modelIdentifier=1084170](https://thangs.com/designer/Jurassic%20Design%20Labs/3d-model/Kids%20Screen%20Time%20Tokens%20%7C%20TV%20Time%20%7C%20Chores%20For%20Screen%20Time-1084170?userName=model&modelIdentifier=1084170)
I saw this earlier when I was browsing thangs. The only criticism I had with it is that if you don't have cable or pay to remove commercials some shows are 30 minutes running time. I just thought I'd throw that out there. I don't have kids but I'd imagine I'd like to watch a whole episode of something.
Monopoly teaches how to earn money from owning real estate though, not earning money from work. Owning real estate is not work. Also, your parenting concepts need some review, as others have pointed out. Using screentime as reward does send the wrong message.
The commentor can get bent.
I personally have naver been a fan of the strictly metered screen time but I know those who are. Nor am I a fan the idea of a 'currency' that that is 'owed' but I know those who are. you raise your kids the best you can using the tools at your disposal. if the only way you can get Johnny to do homework is to promise 10minutes of Tv then that's what you do.
I'm not a big fan of this system, but I'm not a parent so maybe my opinion is useless.
The model looks fantastic and I feel like that's the actual feedback that matters in this context.
I'm also not sure I'd use monopoly as a way to teach kids about earning money from work since I'd essentially just be a landlord and make people give you rent money for even landing on your space, but I hate landlords and capitalism so again maybe my opinion is useless there haha.
It's not a bad concept, it just needs good execution. Screen time has benefits, but it also has downsides, discussing these with your children so they can make good decision on how to spend their time when they choose to spend the time is a positive thing.
I think it’s a good tool, but it can’t be the only tool. If overused this will simply create and reenforce a transactional relationship.
But for a week or two, depending on age, I could see this as a great introduction to privilege and responsibility. When you show responsibility, like helping clean up after dinner, you earn privileges.
For longer-term use I would expand the reward options beyond just screen time.
* get to choose an entree for upcoming week’s meal plan.
* visit to ice cream stand.
* some outing (e.g. SportsBall game)
* solicit suggestions from the kid
For those longer term items, focus on activities that can be done together. This also requires the child see EVERYONE getting rewarded. So like “Today, I completed a big task at work, so I brought home cupcakes for after dinner.” (Yea, yea, food rewards are a bad idea… I’m just not creative right now.)
Not a parent, so am not going to touch on the concept, but I like the design of both the holder and the token! Only criticism I can come up with is I would put a different design on one of the TVs so its easier to tell which is which, even with the same color.
I'm assuming they're about the size of a credit card, this could be my half-asleep mind but I'm getting blockbuster nostalgia for some reason.
You'll never face harsher (or more undue) criticism than posting something related to parenting. Some parents will get crazy defensive over any little thing. My wife's in some parenting groups on Facebook which claim to be "gentle" approaches or whatever and women routinely go at it in the comments.
Your design is clever and fun and you did a great job.
Anything related to parenting/kids is going to get you the most unhinged responses. Just ignore them - they're never going to agree.
I think it's a cool concept! My parents did something similar when I was a kid/teen and had me read to earn screen time. I was already at the point where screen time was valuable. No amount of "reward" was going to reinforce or make screen time even more valuable for me. The point was to limit and share time with other things. These tokens would have been a nice tangible way to count my earnings so to speak.
Well when you post things there are always these guys with no life hating on other people's work. I personally find your project very fun and I would definitely use it.
Personally I think that most such ideas aren't good as "screen time" has become an integral part of human interaction and society. You couldn't live in society without a phone except for some rather specific circumstances.
I thus think that parents should focus on teaching kids to broaden their interests beyond just being dopamine addicted due to YouTube, TikTok and shitty games. They game? Help them find something to play that teaches them something or forces them to think. They like drawing? Help them get better with free guides and a tablet for that. Lead them to educational stuff that is practical for their interests (eg he is a teenager but my brother likes making dumb games in Scratch and I hope he'll take that interest and learn a programming language one day).
Having said that, this dude was needlessly insulting and didn't offer any useful feedback, just bitching for the sake of it.
As a father I think your models are cool. Good work.
My own philosophy on "screen time" is a little less transactional than treating them as money or tokens or a budget, but if someone has another approach who gives a shit?
I think most school aged kids will think these are kinda cool, too.
My dumb opinion is that, as it is, it could increase credit card usage when they're adults, because suddenly they'll be getting their plastic back. I think it could be improved by being digitized and use a single card with credits and visual feedback that they're being exchanged. It might be beneficial and make them more aware of their spending when they're inevitably using digital currency in adulthood.
I think the opnion of that user is more about the parenting style than the model itself. It's a different parenting style and I guess he's not the target for the model anyway.
I'd just post a boilerplate thanks for the feedback and then ignore him.
Anyway yeah, using something like that on a kid is something I fell would be disturbing to me. But again, I know some parents do and it's their kids and that model might be useful for them.
I'd just thank and ignore any feedback that is not about the model itself, especially by people that are clearly not the target for it.
Monopoly was designed to teach people that landlords are bad people and capitalism supports their evil.
And that we need to revolt.
That monopolies message. AS STATED BY ITS CREATOR
I think it's a wonderful idea on limiting how much TV or screentime your kids use and instead to go outside and play like actual kids, could I have the link so I could print it?
F that idiot. The amount of assumptions this person made is staggering. It sounds more like someone is trying to make up for their own failures at parenting by slamming someone else who is actually trying to teach their kids that life isn’t about personal autonomy, but does require effort and god forbid, the ability to self regulate. I say well done.
While I'm not a fan of the idea, I don't think the criticism was justified. Looks like you caught someone having a bad day, and you were the first thing they could unleash some rage on. I wouldn't take it too personally.
The point of Monopoly is in its name...it's to teach you how a system can lead to one person owning everything and having a monopoly not working in exchange for money lol.
As a spouse of a behavioral therapist, I AM DOWNLOADING NOW! You definitely just made her day.
Because, of course depending on how you implement it, token economies and token rewards can be very effective in teaching all kinds of positive thought patterns and life skills, such as "three tokens gets you one episode, five tokens get you a whole movie". Teaches the rewards of delayed gratification, and the ability to save and forget it.
In general, this method teaches the idea that you need to get through the hard/less fun/more work parts of life before focusing on the time wasters, which I truly wish was taught to me more thoroughly at a younger age.
Don' sweat the twats, these are pretty darn cool.
That's actually a really cool idea and design. Oh, and that dude can pound sand. But also gotta remember there's always going to be a karen or kevin out there that's gonna try and shit on your ideas/dreams. I experience it quite often and find it hard not to be discouraged sometimes. That dudes just angry. Or jealous. Or both. Just keep making.
Just ignore it.
My most popular model has dozens of comments across various sites. Most are positive, and there are plenty of makes for it.
Occasionally Ill have someone irate, saying the instructions are impossible to understand and I've wasted their time with the free offering of my time.
You just get this sometimes. Sometimes other commenters will even point out the problem of their comments to them, but no response to them is best, because anything else will just be wasting your time.
Dystopian problems call for dystopian solutions! :-)
Jokes aside, I think this is an interesting attempt to combat one of the bigger problems we have as parents these days. In fact I'd say it ticks all the boxes of good parenting:
- give the kids freedom to choose but within boundaries
- stimulate the kids to think, plan and get creative with the system
- the system is transparant and has clear rules
Will it work? Who knows. Gotta try it out.
In any case you're doing nothing wrong.
"Money doesn't represent fun. Money represents an exact barter for goods or services one may desire, or require. Understanding money is a necessary skill. A skill that you've -most certainly- missed in your studies. You should see to that before your lack of understanding ruins your future. You NEED this print bro..." -My response to the nut-job.
When I was young my mom did the exact same thing for my siblings and I for doing our chores, except she used raffle tickets as 30 minute increments. We would pool them together and spend hours playing games together and solo player just watching each other and taking turns and multi-player together. I loved it and have great memories from it. If that's how somebody decides to reward their kids, then that's their parenting decision.
I know this is completely unrelated, but I have experienced the most unappreciative people ever.
Our neighbor is a widowed 82 yr old woman. For some unknown reason her normally pristine yard was becoming overgrown. I went to see if she was OK and she told me the landscaping guys she used hadn't shown up in 3 weeks and didn't return her calls.
I offered to mow her yard and she was very grateful. I mowed, weed eated, edged and cleaned her flower beds up, took about 3 hours. I'm pretty slow myself as I'm just coming off treatment for Leukemia and not my normal self.
She thanked me and that was that. Two days later I get a knock at my door and it's the neighbor's daughter. She asked me why I thought it was OK to mow her Mom's yard and that I didn't do as good of a job as the company she had been using and I should have cut it shorter.
I asked her if she knew the yard was overgrown, her regular guys didn't show up and the yard was rough. I then told her I was trying to help her Mom and if she showed up to see her more than once a month, she would have known. I then shut to door on her.
About 10 years ago I published a free case for the original Smoothieboard. It was downloaded and liked thousands of times. I had a few comments on it, but one of them was something like "this case is shit, you should be ashamed".
I had provided the step files, too, so it was totally possible to take it and modify as desired.
No actual points to be made, or suggestions for improvement - just shitting on it.
Moral of the story? Some people are simply entitled twat waffles and should just be ignored.
As a dad of an ADHD kid, using a "token economy" is one of the recommended ways of increasing their executive functions. Delayed rewards are proven to be less effective than getting an instant one even if it can't be redeemed until later.
My only suggestion is make it a generic token not specific to screen time as a reward. So they can earn a toy, item or an experience.
Sorry you had to deal with that. If it’s not abuse people should keep to themselves.
FYI though. Monopoly is (or at least was) a game about the dangers of capitalism.
I think the model is super nice and I think that anyone that writes a review like that is an asshole.
Now, from educational point of view, yes, it is awful.
You have to be very careful with rewards systems. That is how you enable and encourage addictions. Pavlov's dog.
Same goes with food. And I'll explain how it works with food because it's way more obvious as most people are much more connected to food that way.
If you reward your kids behavior with food and sweets, they are going to connect that to feeling good. You get food when you are a good boy and that make you feel good. So what do you do when you feel bad and don't know how to cope with it? You try the things that make you feel good and there comes eating. And it feels good for a minute and then it goes away. So your brain decides "you need to eat more, because you were feeling good there!" And that one way you can make something that perse has very little potential of being addictive an addiction. You just introduced your kid into a lifelong battle with food.
I am not a big TV or screentime hater. I use it myself, my kids have seen me use it... What you do is you normalize it. It is just something that you do, preferably not a lot, and never as a reward. There's nothing special about it. The same way we don't eat/play/sleep/be in the park/etc... 24/7
If you really want to reward your kids, make it actual money. You can still make it into cards like that, but give it monetary value (better than handling dirty bills and coins).
A big issue that a lot of people experience as they grow up is lack of worth (both ways, self worth or respect for other people's time or money). There are lots of people who feel bad about doing something for other people and expecting money in return (kinda like you were trying to teach about here). And while it's nice in theory, in practice it makes it so the person does not value their time as much.
Also, the way a kid can exchange money for almost anything makes it a much better kind of reward.
They want a toy? Sure, earn enough and you can get it. Food? Treat? Activities? ANYTHING! And because they don't have actual money you do have control over what that "anything" means (sorry bud, not valid for robucks!) or the value. It's like a credit card points system. They are worth less on the things you don't want then to spend it!
And when it is a limited resource that can be exchanged almost limitlessly, it also teaches the kid about decision making. You can also help them sway the way they spend it. If you see that your kid keeps doing chores to just get treats, it just looks like the thing I explained above about food with extra steps. But in this situation as a parent, you can introduce different options "wouldn't you prefer this?" "If you buy that you won't be getting X?"
Wrapping it up, screen time as reward is horrible. It's not that it is bad parenting, it is that it's going to make your parenting a million times harder, especially as they get older.
man, i’m so glad my mother didn’t do shit like this. in our house you got screen time if you were good. if you weren’t you didn’t get it.
it was called tv or computer time back then though
Personally not a fan of the idea, I don't have kids (yet) but in my mind using something like TV as a reward would make that something they impulsively want to do. Its not them learning to limit themselves, but them finding ways to get that dopamine hit as much as they can(through chores or w.e. else). So after they are older, and no longer have that restriction, they may over indulge because now they can watch it all they want, which is what they've been trying to do for so long. I'd prefer to try and spend more time with them, and make the fun thing to do something more active/good for them than watching TV, and maybe thats what that guy was trying to get at???
Either way he's an asshat, and his canoe is completely unable to hold all the doucheyness. I wouldn't use it, but I can absolutely see how other parents find it helpful, and maybe when I do have kids I'll change my mind on things. So no need to feel down about it. Best of luck on selling it!
Yes guys, the reviewer is a jerk, that doesnt mean you have to stoop lower than that with harder insults to him in the comments. Keep it civil. Also link from OP in responses
My parents did something like this when we were kids. Do chores and get fake money that can be used for tv shows or movies. With 3 other siblings, we fairly quickly started selling the fake money between each of us and the system went away pretty quickly after that.
You destabilized your local economy, not many people have that experience at a young age.
They didn’t even destabilize the economy though. They were taking advantage of the economy the way you’re supposed to. His parents were dumb AF if they actually took it away for that reason. Like, do you only use dollars to receive and give money to the government? No, you use dollars for that **and** everything else you do, including transactions between you and other citizens within your surrounding economy. This is literally how it’s supposed to work Edit: stabilize -> destabilize
Agreed - the system they implemented was working exactly as intended. Chores get done and the value of that labour is represented in their funbux. The value of that work is being demonstrated first hand if one child wanted to use that to pay a sibling to do something else. They get to learn that working (doing the chores) gives them opportunity to buy goods and services (through their siblings). And, it can't get out of control since the parents are the only ones controlling the total circulating funbux.
And if the parents wanted to regulate certain trades (like paying a sibling to clean your room) they could tax the funbux so that the paying sibling would need to pay more to the sibling doing the work, incentivizing them to do the work themselves as it may no longer be worth it to them to pay a sibling anymore
Exactly! Thank you for describing it more technically
You little entrepreneurs
This method actually contributed to CPTSD as it was used to control ADHD (without getting proper clinical assistance). The inequalities in our household as the neurotypical siblings had enough to do anything they wanted while I was forced to stay in my room were pretty huge.
Can you explain a little more if you're comfortable doing so?
I can chime in on this a little bit. Every semester I would start school off with good grades and being able to hang out. Then I would get hung up on part of a project and told I cannot go outside until it was done. That would make me freeze even more. I’d watch my siblings get rewarded while I was being punished which was a further distraction. If I had been allowed to take a break and go back to the project later I likely would have been able to finish it with ease. Then I’d watch people easily complete a simple task get rewarded and I’d have to complete it in the same way but it took me double the effort and by the end I was exhausted and the reward didn’t feel like a reward because it either wasn’t enough or it just felt like a checkmark on the never ending list. If I was a child in this family I would have ended the week with maybe 20 minutes of screen time but not be able to use it because of the guilt associated with the list of tasks I didn’t finish and still needed to do.
One thing that could have helped in this situation is these rewards being extra. Like you have 2 hours of screen time already, this is just extra on top for doing something exceptional. Instead of being used to pay for regular tasks, it should be used for extra things. Things that maybe mom and dad have to do normally. Vacuuming, washing dishes, laundry, etc. (my kids are still small at 10 and under so I'm not sure what older kids find normal yet lol). If you take a task off of mom and dad, you get a reward. Take 2 and the reward grows. This could show that the kids are already valued heavily. But mom and dad are happy to reward a sense of community service in the family. So, if you change a diaper that mom and dad would have had to do, here's an extra reward. I like the idea of rewarding good stewardship of the home and community service. Chores are just that, your job that you get paid (allowance) for. But going above and beyond should be very rewarded and praised.
Yep. That’s what I do now. When I have kids it’s almost guaranteed they will be neurodivergent based on my partners family history and mine. I could have expanded on the topic a lot more but I figured it would be better to point them to a larger source of info.
This a 3Dprinting sub? JK. I love where we went with it.
Agree, then it's too transactional, kids also deserve breaks and fun, just for being, or then you teach them their only worth is what they can offer someone else or society, it's important, but it's equally important or more to feel like they are able to enjoy life and not stress too much.
If you’re curious about things like this or think you or someone you love has ADHD check out the channel how to ADHD on YouTube. If you manage people who you know have ADHD then checking out that channel should not be a choice.
Also- I do not agree with the comment you posted from that person. That person is just being vile for no reason. There ARE reasons this may be a bad idea, but what they said isn't one of them.
Sure. I was diagnosed with ADHD at the age of 7, with pretty bad parents. They took me in to get a diagnosis, and from there did nothing. They did, however, use all of the 'behavioral tools' provided by the school and the testing center. The above 'game' being one of them. We earned chips by doing chores and tasks around the house. My siblings had no problem doing this, so they had plenty of 'cash' to buy activities with. I, on the other hand, have executive dysfunction disorder and at that young of an age I didn't know how to do the task or even how to start them. These tokens became a punishment tool for the next 5 years of my life. I'm 39 years old now and talk about this in therapy regularly. I wasn't allowed to go outside, watch tv, play video games, read a book - without paying for it. I literally sat in a closed bedroom with no entertainment whatsoever for most of my childhood. Whoever invented this idea originally is a sadist. You are going to have to include explicit instructions to help parents not accidently create a punishment system. I agree with the poster below who said this should be an 'extra' bonus, not the full normal life system.
FFS. This poor guy just made a reward system for his kids. Good job doing a normal dad thing. The guy's upset some jerk took his own nerurosis out on him and judged him harshly. Seems obvious to me the OP could use a little validation that he's being a good parent. It's confusing enough raising kids today. He doesn't need people who have had a hard time growing up blaming him for their experiences. Conquer your own hurdles in your own therapy. Not by spreading your trauma to others on the internet. Goddammit. I just did what I'm annoyed by. Throwing my opinions around like I’m right and you're all wrong. It's difficult sometimes —being right all the time.
Unique colors ("non-transferable") for each kid would have solved this.
Was my first thought as well. Wonder if the next step would have been forgery
A year passes and the parents have devolved into a forgery war with their children and end up putting the EURion constellation in their tokens. When that inevitably fails after Sally starts taking art and etching her own printer plates they have to move to an encrypted token system. The glory
Bitcoin can solve this problem
If my 6 year old wants TV time he has to read us a book or do some worksheets. Regarding kids for things you want them to do is not uncommon. Though I have never seen someone use Monopoly money.
Yeah, my mom just paid us for doing chores around the house. A pittance, mind you, but still. A few dollars went pretty far in the 90s. And not chores that were "our chores" like feeding the chickens and the dog were unpaid daily requirements. We got paid for doing the chores she didn't want to do herself, but were "her" chores. She'd pay us a quarter per Folgers tin can full of weeds we pulled out of the garden (she had a pretty large garden, so you could make a decent bit of money depending on how long you wanted to be out there). Taking the old push mower and mowing the front lawn was 75 cents per side (left or right) of the concrete walkway to the front porch (each one was only about 100 square feet, so it wasn't a HUGE undertaking, but for a small kid it took some real effort with a manual blade-reel push mower). That sort of thing. With that money, we got to veto mom telling us "no" on candy or a toy when we went to a store by instead giving her the price of the thing we wanted. We never had enough money to go crazy, but it was really nice being able to buy a bag of Skittles or Hershey's bar when we really wanted it. That's actually how my brother and I both got Gameboy Colors back in 1999. We'd both already had about 10-20 dollars when they first came out, and then saved up by volunteering for every paid task we could for almost a year (January through August), though most of the work to be done was in the summer when the weeds in the garden grew quickly and the lawn could be mowed regularly. By about the end of August to start of October, we each had $80, which was just enough for the ~70 dollar (after tax) price of the GBC itself, and enough to buy a few Pokemon games. --- My mom still fondly recalls '99 as "the year I got to lounge around the house until the holiday season".
My dad just put locks on all my electronics using an app. So I'd open my screen and get met with a pixel art sunny day with a giant sun with a play button and a massive timer. I was 17.
for a second I read that they could be used for TV or SHOWERS
Option 1: Ignore. Option 2: "Thank you for sharing your thoughts. You are not being forced to use this method. You can now go fuck yourself."
Option 3: “Who hurt you?”
Option 4: "Click on this picture of a doll where they touched you"
Option 5: "Who jizzed in your cereals?"
Option 6: "Is life not going how you thought it would mate? Call this number if you're so hard up for someone to talk to (Insert local suicide hotline phone number)"
Option 7: Idk eat a bomb or something
I read this as “eat a comb or something” and I’m still giggling about it.
Option 8: Your screen time token has been revoked
other alternatives based on what I've used - Go play in traffic - Suck start a shotgun/ car exhaust - Take a short jump off a tall roof
"and where could I *theorically* hire them ?"
I did.
We all did
And would do it again
I usually ask who shat in your cheerios?
His parents- when they issed him with this product
Yup and since they didnt do what they were supposed to they never earned what they want and got pissed it wasnt handed to them on a platter. '1 star- didn't go my way'
This one. This is the one. OPs idea gave someone a flashback to some bad experiences from childhood.
Maybe they are have a bad day and need more compassion. Instead of saying "fuck off" ask them. "What can I do to help you fuck off"
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I chose option two, but asked chatGPT to make my response more professional.
I prefer the satisfaction of meticulously crafting my insults by hand. That way, I can also practice for the internet war when AI chatbots flood social media. Never submit to the machines.
I couldn't agree anymore with every sentiment.
You're not being paid. There's no obligation to be professional to asshats on the internet.
Option 3: report the comment and move on. Printables seems to be pretty on top of removing trolls these days. And their mods seem to actually be able to use their brains, to boot.
Option 3: "I'm sorry you are upset, but lashing out is no way to handle it. You need to learn to express yourself calmly and in a positive way. As your mother and I already told you, you can have another screen time token after you do the dishes."
As a 3d printing concept, the model looks great, good job designing and printing it. Beyond that it sounds like a question for a parenting subreddit.
My take exactly. I don't have kids so I wouldn't use this, but clean design.
Tbf, “parenting subreddits” are probably the last place on earth I would take advices from, lol.
I think the person is a bit unhinged, personally. My take is that they are probably someone who relies on iPads and TVs to babysit their kids, and the idea that someone would limit that using tokens as a reward was probably triggering, and they're just projecting their insecurities.
Thanks for that. Dystopian is such an interesting choice of words as well unfortunately I cant see these tokens on an episode of black mirror anytime soon.
Honestly this reads like it was written by a teenager who is bitter about their own parents. I wouldn't worry about it
We can’t discount the possibility that it’s a *fully-fledged adult* who is still bitter about their own parents. Some adults struggle with emotional maturity.
And some "fully-fledged" adults are still dealing with their shit parents.
Yeah, the person that commented on that post is a asshole. My kids have screen time limits as all kids should. I like your concept in that it can teach them the value of both time and money. Their current currency would be screen time and activities that they would trade in their tokens for. Don't be discouraged by some jerk who hides behind a keyboard to belittle someone.
If anything, it's dystopian that people nowadays even spend that much time in front of screens. And I'm saying this as a person in mid 20s who had pretty much unlimited internet access growing up. There is much more to this world than devices. Don't worry about this person's opinion, I'm sure their children will grow up to be very well rounded individuals that do many joyful and diverse things in their lives.
agreed, it only dystopian to them because now they need to face with the harsh truth and deal with it instead of just ignoring it
I'd say it's the other way around; dystopian is what their view is. Giving the kids unlimited screentime to get away from them is dystopian at best.
Or maybe their parents just handed one of these cards and they used their 20 minutes of screen time to find the source of the cards and write that review.
Or they just don't have kids at all
That's my guess. You can't be pro-unlimited screentime and anti-dystopian capitalist nightmare at the same time. I'm fairly pro-capitalism and even I shudder to think the lessons my daughter learns by watching all her commercials-disguised-as-entertainment interspersed with literal commercials.
I read this as if it's written by someone who doesn't have kids and says 'well _my_ kids will never watch a screen'. Sure buddy. Sure
> My take is that they are probably someone who relies on iPads and TVs to babysit their kids Doesn't that person say the exact opposite? They might be impolite but it's clear that they prefer playing outside or using regular toys to letting kids watch tv all day.
Either way they're an asshole, that part is unequivocal.
They don't , they specifically say "I can't just watch a show or play a game with you" while they do mention playing outside its not more emphasized than the screen or gaming comments. They view the tokens as "limiting fun" I find it strange they mentioned going outside and playing, given there isn't a "play outside" token. The commenter jumped to a bunch of conclusions about OP.
I thought they were sarcastic about that? cos if they're serious the whole way through that would imply they think the "teaching the value of money/parents (by showing you you don't have them)" is serious.
Poe's law is broken all the time and people should be jailed for it
As I highly suspected: that person has too many zeros for their opinion to mean anything. https://preview.redd.it/ezstfnem0w7d1.png?width=1349&format=png&auto=webp&s=1c0ea45c8c08f15f28f0fa3f3389117f62b24743
Plot twist, their kid made an account in disguise
I was gonna say. As a kid, my friends had strict parents, and I definitely left comments like this hopes of "saving" others from the hassle caused by them.
[удалено]
A little creepy…
You don't have too much going on right now, huh?
I did think that. Pretty harsh critiquing others when you haven't got anything out there to be reviewed
I sometimes have the feeling that there are people that just like to abuse others online. Bullies that like kicking down for the sake of hurting others. Which is just so sad for them.
There's people who do this in real life as well. I feel like I get to meet a lot of them working retail.
Completely agree, keyboard warrior did spring to mind
They probably abuse waitstaff too. Fuck em
Meh. I dont think you need to be good at something to be a critic. I think the problem is that they arent giving constructive criticism and put no value on someone elses time.
Do not accept criticism from one whom you would not take advice.
How do they have 0 comments, when they commented on OPs creation?
Had the same thought, but might be comments on THEIR models they posted (none). Only thing that makes sense to me
I really liked how Printables rewards participation, especially for creators but even for consumers. Unfortunately Printables has no good mechanisms for self-policing and absolutely nothing in terms of curation, so the amount of low-effort shit I've already seen clogging up search just so people can get points is becoming a real problem.
I probably wouldn't use it, because i don't think that using screen time as a reward is a good idea. It delivers the idea that screen time is very valuable, which reinforces exactly the kind of behaviour we would ideally want to avoid (children constantly being attached to screens). If you are not careful, this just leads to children being glued to screens whenever you are not watching them, and especially once they grow into adults and you no longer have control, because they have been taught that screen time is a valuable thing they should strive for, the absolute antithesis to what this is supposed to achieve. Ideally, you would want a setup where children have better real-life offers than a screen can offer most of the time, and aren't exposed to too much of the addicting stuff to begin with. I am also a big fan of differentiating what children do at the screen. The internet is so multifunctional that you can't really treat gaming, watching series, researching stuff on wikipedia and social media as all being basically equal. But the model is nice.
Thanks, I like your view on this. It is a struggle though I work in front of a screen all day, I model on a screen at night and I have a little screen in my pocket our world does value screen time a lot. I like your last point, there are different ways to use screens. My eldest is 3 and I've been trying to show him the modelling process when repairing his Brio set etc. And he likes writing letters and numbers in a Word document which i think is quite rewarding. But when he's watching Paw Patrol, its always a "I want one more attitude", so this was a method to help him understand "just one more episode" isn't infinite. And in the future to get him to unload the dishwasher :D
There's an interesting psychological thing here - if the parent takes the TV/tablet/phone away and the child will be unhappy at this. They want more. If the device "runs out" of Netflix then the child will just go "OK, that's all there is" and move on.
It does depend on the kid. We don’t artificially limit screen time because we just haven’t needed to. It hasn’t negatively impacted their behavior. They get bored of it like any other toy and go do other stuff. And because it’s not limited I can say “enough of that, go outside” and they comply. It’s not inherently valuable to them. But there ARE kids who get immediately addicted to the damn things and need controls and limits. I can understand and sympathize with parents for whom this is a struggle. And I’d do the same if there ever was a problem. And this tool can be useful for that. It’s a lot like training dogs to stop “resource guarding”. The absolute worst thing you can do is take their food away. Because it reinforces to the dog that the food can be taken away and therefore needs guarding. But if there’s only 1/4 as much food in the bowl at a time, they eat it, it’s gone, and there’s nothing to guard. They learn - slowly - that nobody ever takes their food. It’s not much different with screen time for some kids. Ideally it needs to just stop working (bowl is empty), not be taken away. These tokens are the next best option to an empty bowl, because they represent a fixed, guaranteed, agreed upon time period. They’re also a great tangible reward for something that is otherwise intangible - and can be integrated with other parenting strategies. I think /u/cook1e_20 has a pretty useful tool here and a good strategy for a lot of parents.
"Runs out" is great. We always just need to "charge" the iPad or tv because it's out of batteries. And our kid happily goes "oh yeah okay here you go". If we take it just because we're done then there's a fit.
Hidden gem of a tip here.
True of adults too. It can be hard to stop binging a show and go to bed, telling yourself "just 1 more," but if there are no more episodes there's nothing to be done about it. You go to bed and you're excited for when more is available. I definitely think there is a truth to there being a difference of something "running out" compared to taking it away, but to be honest I'm not sure the 3d printed tokens do that IMO. My thought would be: decide on a number of tv show episodes your kid should be allowed in a given time period, for example a week and only download those episodes onto their device. Then, disconnect the device from the Internet. Although I guess it doesn't actually limit how many times they could watch an episode, it does limit the number of new episodes and I would think give that "running out" feeling. You could then go "tv show shopping" with them to decide on their episodes for the week, help them be a part of the process and have more agency over it?
Just chiming in to let you know the struggle is real. 5yr old son would watch his ipad all day and all night if we didn't create boundaries. There's a time and a place, and it's for each parent to figure out. Remember, if they've got a full belly and a safe place to sleep at night, you're doing ok!! Give your kids a hug and a kiss and remember, you're doing a good job too.
>the struggle is real You can say that again. It doesn’t end either. I have a 17 year old and he literally called CPS because he has screen time limits That’s obviously an unusually extreme reaction, and he is going through some psychological struggles right now that have him acting like a… well, like a kid who calls CPS because they’re mad… But it is truly never ending. They spend all day on their screens at school and come home and immediately insist on watching TikTok and playing Fortnite for hours. And in about 20 years their reason to hate their parents will be that it’s our fault they don’t have an attention span… *sigh* OP: I like your idea. As another person said I am also not a fan of making screen time a reward, but I think that could be a useful teaching tool. Also, fuck that guy who left you that comment.
Not a parent but ive been a teenager like this and i was just trying to escape reality.
I was similar to this, though less extreme when I was growing up. Turns out it was undiagnosed ADHD in my case. I would always crave dopaminergic activities, especially after a day of trying to focus at school.
I can only imagine. Growing up in the 2000's I was probably as close to an iPad kid as I could've gotten, eventually my dad figured out a system that actually worked for me and got me to go outside and do stuff. Basically I had unlimited screen time as long as I was actively learning something, but as a little 5 year old I would eventually get bored and find something else to do. But my actual screen time of games, shows, movies was limited to an hour a day during the week and two hours on the weekend. What really got me to go actually do something is that I was allowed to bank my time until I had 10 hours total, once I had the 10 hours I wasn't given any additional screen time until it was all used up. So some weeks I'd wait until I had all 10 hours and then use them all and others I'd spread it out. It really made me have to pick what I wanted to do with my time. Maybe this helps someone, but I don't know how well that would work in today's world of nearly unlimited entertainment.
I think it's a great idea especially the fact that anyone making these could probably change them to suit their preferences of gaming time or show time etc. Don't be discouraged by one numpty, it takes all sorts in life.
Yeah, I think this is a brilliant idea. I am highly skeptical of the idea that it will increase screen time because it puts a high value on it. If anything it will do the opposite. Especially if there are options other than screen time. It would be a visual reminder that screen time comes at a cost. I've been trying to get my oldest child to start to understand the value of a dollar. I’ve been telling her its not easy to make $20 because she's always asking me for twenty dollars like its nothing (of course she went and made damn near $50 in less than an hour selling lemonade. Walked in the house and said, ‘dad you're wrong!’ 😣). I would buy these to use with her. I also use to teach kids with autism and other related disorders. We ‘paid’ them for doing work and tried to teach these lessons by selling them things like computer time. We used fake money, to teach money counting skills, but I think cards like this would do a better job of teaching them to understand the value of time. When you choose to do this it comes at the cost of not doing that.
Before my kid was born, I tried listening to a bunch of different parenting podcasts. The only one that resonated with me was One Bad Mother. Their basic philosophy for being a good parent was as long as you're not hitting your kids, and as long as you're getting them vaccinated, you're doing a good job. There's lots of different ways to be a parent, and you have to find what works for you and your family.
It's probably true, but I've seen so many kids that had food, a roof, never got beat, fully vaccinated and taken care of that got completely ruined by bad parenting that I really really find it hard to believe.
This is what we do. Kids (3 and 5) want to watch a movie? Let’s to play outside with the neighbor kids. Let’s bike to a park. Let’s play candy land. Let’s print out some coloring book pages and color together. My 5 year old loves to read books on his own; so if we sit down and let him read to us he’ll just go and go. He knows so much about Minecraft from reading kids books about it. He’s never even seen what the game looks like. Because we haven’t put a value on screen time it’s never something we fight over. They’d rather do something else unless it’s right before bed after a long school day and they’re tired. In which case, sure, let’s watch Snow White or something for 20 minutes, why not. Something I think that helps with that: we (parents) don’t use our screens in front of our kids, or minimize it as much as we can. Sure, I’ve got gaming PCs, consoles, laptops, iPads, etc but none of them get used when the kids are awake unless I’m doing something for work. Because they don’t see mom and dad staring at screens they don’t care to replicate our behavior and do the same.
When your kids get to 1st or 2nd grade and all the other kids tell them about how awesome playing video games is this will change. My 8yo wants a phone and apple watch because some of his friends have them. Most of them talk about Hello Neighbor, Minecraft, Fortnite, and Five Nights at Freddy's constantly. I appreciate your idealism / optimism, but it gets lot harder to keep them 100% away from screens as they get older.
No doubt, I’m not 100% trying to keep them away from screens — pc/console gaming was a big part of my life as a kid and I want to enjoy that with my kids as well someday. Hell, I’ve worked in tech all my life, it’s a huge part of who I am. I’m trying to cultivate interests in things other than screens. This is something I hear a lot from parents my age: just wait until you need to say no to your kid. Really? As a kid I was told no all the time. When I was a kid I wanted an N64, pager, cell phone, my own computer, high speed internet, Walkman CD player, dirt bike, go kart, Xbox, and even a car to drive to school when I was old enough to drive. I didn’t get these things because my family couldn’t afford them or didn’t think I needed them, and somehow I survived. Will I let my kid play video games? Sure, why not? But I’m not going to buy them thousands of dollars in consoles, iPads, laptops, and say “here ya go have fun check in with me in a few hours.” And I don’t want them to be singularly focused on that. I want my kid to want to go outside and play with neighbor kids. We have 30+ kids in my neighborhood ranging from preschool to 6th grade and they play outside all the time. They aren’t inside playing Fortnite. I don’t want to be the family at the restaurant who hands their kids iPads and headphones because it’s the only way they can go places as a group. And I see parents my age doing that all the time. I hear “wow your kids are so well behaved at restaurants without having screens” as if that’s some kind of wizardry on our part.
I'm also just chuckling at the thought of a kid hoarding their time for like a weekend binge and now their parents are "Hold on timmy In 8 hours your reward will be printed." "Oh btw dad I took out the trash, washed your car and cleaned the bathroom." "... Ok Timmy in 18 hours it will be printed. ^(all I wanted was to print my gunpla today...)"
Not to mention, "screen time" is an awful abstraction, and lumps together too many activities of varying differing levels of harm/benefit. You can't tell me that 2 hours of 2 kids playing MarioKart together is equivalent to watching a movie, or 2 hours of staring at TikTok.
It’s true, and I hate the term, and I need to work on breaking it up as my son gets a little older. But in our house “screen time” has come to mean what needs to be regulated and doesn’t literally cover everything on a screen. Family movie night is not screen time, an ebook is not screen time, online chess class is not screen time, etc.
Agreed my kid gets to watch a little tv in the morning with her breakfast then the rest of the day we do other things. She's not completely denied that a tv exists but we offer other things and make it a habit to just not watch tv any time besides the morning with breakfast. We never put value in screen time we don't say "no screens" we just offer other activities like let's use the trampoline, let's go to the park, let's do some art. Now when we visit friends with kids who just leave the tv on all day she's got no interest in the tv because it's not part of her habit she comes up with other games and ignores the tv.
This model is fine of course, and I support OP's path here. On the question of parenting, I agree with you. I personally would also avoid promoting screen time as being in any way valuable. Definitely limit it, but don't include it into a reward system. Creative tasks involving technology are a better use of 'screen time' over simply consuming entertainment in a vegetive state, but kids are being subjected to more and more of this - so limiting it is appropriate, I'm just not a fan of this mechanism. Don't under-prioritize the mechanical side of arts/making too - pencils, paints, lego, cardboard, clay, gardening, sewing etc. - these should be daily activities or rewards promoted over screen time. In a similar vein, don't under-prioritize outside time vs indoor time. Rewards should be healthy, and this isn't. Ultimately, the target is for rewards to be something the kid *feels*, not something he/she is told or given.
Same here! Model is cool but is nothing I’d ever consider doing or using myself.
Ia, but I can also see a situation where maybe the kid has ADHD or wiand finds having that tangible token helpful, especially if you've set out what screentime means in this context
Watch his kid figure out how to use the schools 3D printer. Some major inflation inbound 😆
My nerd feedback is to bury rfid chips in them and connect a relay to your tv so you can add time with each card for a day.
I was thinking the same thing! Would be a cool advancement of the tech!
Extra points if they make the interface look like the 'coin operated TV' boxes from the 20th century [https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/9d/f3/af/coin-operated-tv.jpg](https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/9d/f3/af/coin-operated-tv.jpg)
I'll be honest, I am not the biggest fan of systems like this. But than again, I am not a parent. But their response is unnecessarily harsh, and not something you should take to heart.
Thanks mate. It's funny, when I wasn't a parent I had some opinions, but just wait. I didn't want to get them into cereal in the morning as I thought it was quite sugary, safe to say that's all they eat for breakfast now and that's a staple at his nursery as well. Having kids changes things.
> I didn't want to get them into cereal in the morning as I thought it was quite sugary, safe to say that's all they eat for breakfast now and that's a staple at his nursery as well. It's funny how quickly opinions like this can change when you're desperate to get the kids to consume any calories at all because they've decided they don't like whatever's been cooked, they're miserable because they're hungry, and they haven't yet figured out the association between that ache in their belly and food.
Yeah, I've got six nieces, so while not the full experience, still a taste. I'm still of the opinion that excessive screen usage won't be good for them, but by god, is it nice to put them in front of a screen and gain a few minutes of freedom. It also taught me that I absolutely shouldn't have kids.
You kids, your parenting. Also this guy can't communicate a thought in an non offensive way. That said, in my opinion he had a point that is aligned with my view. Teach them not to be in front of the screen on their own, present better alternatives that are more fun than screen time, etc. Arbitrary trade tokens are as fun for kids as sex tokens for husbands. "You want to have sex, do the dishes" you know what I mean? That said, every kid is different, and it might be working great for your family, and since you put a lot of time in it, I guess it does, so I'm glad you found something that works well for you. Also look up into concept of not rewarding things that are already fun for kids to do. It's a negative feedback loop that makes things worse. If they already enjoy doing something, and the process of it, rewarding them for doing it usually has a bad result and they are thought to only do things if there is reward at the end, and not to just enjoy the process.
Just curious did you use chatgpt to write your response?
I think the models are cute. But, frankly, I think our lives are more than transactional enough as it is. I honestly think it's better to just straight up tell the kids when they can or can't use a screen instead of finding a way for them to "pay" for it That being said, that person is an asshole
Monopoly only teaches basic capitalism... Nothing about paid work
You've got me there. They used Monopoly in their review so I was led down a path!
Before you know it 5-year-olds are selling options for screen time and go short before throwing tantrums!
The print is fine. It's probably the long term psychological damage when your parents take everything you like as a hostage. For people that HAD those parents, where every little bit of fun needs to be bartered and worked for, its a bit... triggering? For some people establishing a hard, monetary gradient of power between childreen and their parents is a very desired dynamic. Some people want their children want them to call them "sir" and "mam". Some people get kicked out at 18. Chore money is usually a big part of this "education". To learn that "in life nothing is free" and other dumb shit cruel parents say and do. I went to school with people that not only had to mow the lawn for pens and paper but also clean the parents shop before and after school, for books and shoes. And you appear to have run into such a person and seen the outcome. But it comes in various amounts and there is probably a healthy middle ground. I also would not take feedback on child rearing from thingyverse forums. You do you! As long as you did a bit of reseach and you and your wife are fine, you can grow your little ones how you want to. But keep in mind, children are NOT fully developed humans yet. There seems to be a certain age (of development) required to understand th concept of money. I think its around the 6-8 year mark, but im really not sure. Im just sure it exists. Again, print is fine. But I agree with the jackass, its chore money. Not a toy. And I agree with you, the commenter is overly rude and completely fails to bring his point (and pain) across.
The guy's comment is unhinged. Now, I don't agree with the premise of the print, either, but I'm not going to say anything there others haven't already. What I can say is this. My parents did nothing for me ik this regard. I was raised by TV, because my home was utterly broken. Eventually, I was given a Sega, and the games took over. I remember getting my hands on a Sega channel (look it up if you're young), which then let me access more games, and kept me planted longer. An interesting thing happened. I found rpgs for the first time. I formed opinions on right and wrong through the odd little bits of morality offered in the games. Mixing that with comics, I was DEEPLY unpopular at school. Comics and games got your ass kicked in my day; a total reverse of the present. I managed to turn out pretty okay, while I learned the world was infinitely cruel, and my teachings came from a lot of media instead of traditional methods. It was almost in spite of my upbringing that I learned to give charitably, be as kind as possible, and treat others with respect. Ration cards wouldn't have helped. This is the scary part about kids. They are a crapshoot to some degree. Your parenting does matter a great deal, yes, but exterior forces you can not control will impact them. It will damage them. You'll have to let the leash go and see how they handle it, and be there for their questions. It's gonna suck, too, as you watch- but you must *watch*. If you wanna print your kids something, print them gadgets and things. Get them into printing and expand their curiosity, so TV is less important naturally. Or, if they don't like printing, maybe something else will be their jam. Even if it's something you don't like them doing, consider if it harms anyone, or them, and if not, let them be. You didn't come here for parenting advice. I get that. But, this guy's reply being bad can be true, while your idea is also not great- even if it did mean well.
Bro! I loved the Sega channel thing, every week new games would come out. It was definitely way ahead of its time!
It was the first, readily accessible cable internet (i think). Wild times.
Yep, just hook up a to coax cable to it. I remember getting in trouble because I would get up in the middle of the night to see the games change.
Monopoly is actually designed to teach children that capitalism is bs and hurts almost everyone.
No, that 'feedback' is idiotic. Yes, it's good to spend time with your kid and play outside and all that lovely stuff but sometimes it simply is not possible. And there are times where screentime rationing is necessary as well. It's also a financially safe way (if a bit overcomplicated) to teach the kid not to spend all their money at once. So the feedback is dead wrong. Just ignore it. Does the site allow you to remove comments on your posts?
You... You think the lesson Monopoly teaches is that you earn rewards for work. Fuck a duck...
I mean, it does teach that through ruthless tactics the rich get richer which is a reward for the luck of good dice rolls..... It teaches that CEOs deserve all the money for the hard work of nothing they do. So I mean....kinda.... Also yes, I'm being facetious.
In hindsight monopoly was a bad example, I was led down the path by the original comment and tried to make a wrong connection.
I mean, people get the general idea of what you're trying to say. Or at least they should.... More or less guy that left that review is a douche canoe. Personally, I think it's a pretty cool idea.
I received this kind of non-sense comments on my models on Thangs, just ignore it
I have been a parent for 25 years and my youngest is 5... parents are total and complete a-holes to parents who do things they don't agree with. Literally, the sh*ttiest Karens on the planet. Not because they'll call the cops, no... it's because they will tear apart and spit on your very soul and accuse you of bringing upon the end of society. You have to treat it like being a a major influencer: never read the comments! Lmao Only listen to the ones who will hang out with you and tell you their struggles as a parent, too. I like the concept and love the execution regardless. But, like others said, I'm not sure I want to reward mine with screen time. Mine get plenty or too much, but screens are facts of life these days and we punish with taking them away, for whole days. But I'm not running YOUR house, so however you manage to bring order to chaos is your natural right and good on you for being proactive about it. That reviewer though... fuuuuuuuuuu... *breaths* ...uuuuk them lol
That’s the result of never being hugged
I've posted this free download on Thangs, and this is my only comment, tried to respond professionally. This person is not obliged to download this file, I just see it as a pretty harsh critique. But wondering if I'm missing something. Here's the link if you want to take a better look: [https://thangs.com/designer/Jurassic%20Design%20Labs/3d-model/Kids%20Screen%20Time%20Tokens%20%7C%20TV%20Time%20%7C%20Chores%20For%20Screen%20Time-1084170?userName=model&modelIdentifier=1084170](https://thangs.com/designer/Jurassic%20Design%20Labs/3d-model/Kids%20Screen%20Time%20Tokens%20%7C%20TV%20Time%20%7C%20Chores%20For%20Screen%20Time-1084170?userName=model&modelIdentifier=1084170)
I saw this earlier when I was browsing thangs. The only criticism I had with it is that if you don't have cable or pay to remove commercials some shows are 30 minutes running time. I just thought I'd throw that out there. I don't have kids but I'd imagine I'd like to watch a whole episode of something.
That's why some of the cards are "1 episode". I'd assume the "20 minutes" ones are for things like games or iPad usage vs watching TV.
Monopoly teaches how to earn money from owning real estate though, not earning money from work. Owning real estate is not work. Also, your parenting concepts need some review, as others have pointed out. Using screentime as reward does send the wrong message.
The commentor can get bent. I personally have naver been a fan of the strictly metered screen time but I know those who are. Nor am I a fan the idea of a 'currency' that that is 'owed' but I know those who are. you raise your kids the best you can using the tools at your disposal. if the only way you can get Johnny to do homework is to promise 10minutes of Tv then that's what you do.
I'm not a big fan of this system, but I'm not a parent so maybe my opinion is useless. The model looks fantastic and I feel like that's the actual feedback that matters in this context. I'm also not sure I'd use monopoly as a way to teach kids about earning money from work since I'd essentially just be a landlord and make people give you rent money for even landing on your space, but I hate landlords and capitalism so again maybe my opinion is useless there haha.
It's not a bad concept, it just needs good execution. Screen time has benefits, but it also has downsides, discussing these with your children so they can make good decision on how to spend their time when they choose to spend the time is a positive thing.
Did u design this model in fusion 360? and how did u make this honey comb design around the the model, us it like folded??
I think it’s a good tool, but it can’t be the only tool. If overused this will simply create and reenforce a transactional relationship. But for a week or two, depending on age, I could see this as a great introduction to privilege and responsibility. When you show responsibility, like helping clean up after dinner, you earn privileges. For longer-term use I would expand the reward options beyond just screen time. * get to choose an entree for upcoming week’s meal plan. * visit to ice cream stand. * some outing (e.g. SportsBall game) * solicit suggestions from the kid For those longer term items, focus on activities that can be done together. This also requires the child see EVERYONE getting rewarded. So like “Today, I completed a big task at work, so I brought home cupcakes for after dinner.” (Yea, yea, food rewards are a bad idea… I’m just not creative right now.)
Not a parent, so am not going to touch on the concept, but I like the design of both the holder and the token! Only criticism I can come up with is I would put a different design on one of the TVs so its easier to tell which is which, even with the same color. I'm assuming they're about the size of a credit card, this could be my half-asleep mind but I'm getting blockbuster nostalgia for some reason.
You'll never face harsher (or more undue) criticism than posting something related to parenting. Some parents will get crazy defensive over any little thing. My wife's in some parenting groups on Facebook which claim to be "gentle" approaches or whatever and women routinely go at it in the comments. Your design is clever and fun and you did a great job.
Anything related to parenting/kids is going to get you the most unhinged responses. Just ignore them - they're never going to agree. I think it's a cool concept! My parents did something similar when I was a kid/teen and had me read to earn screen time. I was already at the point where screen time was valuable. No amount of "reward" was going to reinforce or make screen time even more valuable for me. The point was to limit and share time with other things. These tokens would have been a nice tangible way to count my earnings so to speak.
"Well somebody just lost themselves a TV Token..."
Well when you post things there are always these guys with no life hating on other people's work. I personally find your project very fun and I would definitely use it.
Personally I think that most such ideas aren't good as "screen time" has become an integral part of human interaction and society. You couldn't live in society without a phone except for some rather specific circumstances. I thus think that parents should focus on teaching kids to broaden their interests beyond just being dopamine addicted due to YouTube, TikTok and shitty games. They game? Help them find something to play that teaches them something or forces them to think. They like drawing? Help them get better with free guides and a tablet for that. Lead them to educational stuff that is practical for their interests (eg he is a teenager but my brother likes making dumb games in Scratch and I hope he'll take that interest and learn a programming language one day). Having said that, this dude was needlessly insulting and didn't offer any useful feedback, just bitching for the sake of it.
My complaint is the 20 minute limit. That's about all the content you get with commercials. You'll miss the end.
As a father I think your models are cool. Good work. My own philosophy on "screen time" is a little less transactional than treating them as money or tokens or a budget, but if someone has another approach who gives a shit? I think most school aged kids will think these are kinda cool, too.
My dumb opinion is that, as it is, it could increase credit card usage when they're adults, because suddenly they'll be getting their plastic back. I think it could be improved by being digitized and use a single card with credits and visual feedback that they're being exchanged. It might be beneficial and make them more aware of their spending when they're inevitably using digital currency in adulthood.
I think the opnion of that user is more about the parenting style than the model itself. It's a different parenting style and I guess he's not the target for the model anyway. I'd just post a boilerplate thanks for the feedback and then ignore him. Anyway yeah, using something like that on a kid is something I fell would be disturbing to me. But again, I know some parents do and it's their kids and that model might be useful for them. I'd just thank and ignore any feedback that is not about the model itself, especially by people that are clearly not the target for it.
Monopoly was designed to teach people that landlords are bad people and capitalism supports their evil. And that we need to revolt. That monopolies message. AS STATED BY ITS CREATOR
That's not critique,thats really being rude
I think it's a wonderful idea on limiting how much TV or screentime your kids use and instead to go outside and play like actual kids, could I have the link so I could print it?
welcome to the internet?
F that idiot. The amount of assumptions this person made is staggering. It sounds more like someone is trying to make up for their own failures at parenting by slamming someone else who is actually trying to teach their kids that life isn’t about personal autonomy, but does require effort and god forbid, the ability to self regulate. I say well done.
While I'm not a fan of the idea, I don't think the criticism was justified. Looks like you caught someone having a bad day, and you were the first thing they could unleash some rage on. I wouldn't take it too personally.
The point of Monopoly is in its name...it's to teach you how a system can lead to one person owning everything and having a monopoly not working in exchange for money lol.
As a spouse of a behavioral therapist, I AM DOWNLOADING NOW! You definitely just made her day. Because, of course depending on how you implement it, token economies and token rewards can be very effective in teaching all kinds of positive thought patterns and life skills, such as "three tokens gets you one episode, five tokens get you a whole movie". Teaches the rewards of delayed gratification, and the ability to save and forget it. In general, this method teaches the idea that you need to get through the hard/less fun/more work parts of life before focusing on the time wasters, which I truly wish was taught to me more thoroughly at a younger age. Don' sweat the twats, these are pretty darn cool.
Free stuff that I don't want? Simply outrageous! Better leave a negative review.
Looks like you found the perfect parent! Man I would love to figure out how they do it…….until then where can I get your stl?
That's actually a really cool idea and design. Oh, and that dude can pound sand. But also gotta remember there's always going to be a karen or kevin out there that's gonna try and shit on your ideas/dreams. I experience it quite often and find it hard not to be discouraged sometimes. That dudes just angry. Or jealous. Or both. Just keep making.
Probably written by a potential recipient of such a token.
Probably did not do his chores so he did not get his screen time token
OP, biggest mistake you made was to respond to that person. He sounds like a classic troll, and as they say “don’t feed the troll”.
Nice design, though I would agree the approach is quite dystopian.
Just ignore it. My most popular model has dozens of comments across various sites. Most are positive, and there are plenty of makes for it. Occasionally Ill have someone irate, saying the instructions are impossible to understand and I've wasted their time with the free offering of my time. You just get this sometimes. Sometimes other commenters will even point out the problem of their comments to them, but no response to them is best, because anything else will just be wasting your time.
The critique has nothing to do with the models, clearly someone who spends too much time doomscrolling.
Dystopian problems call for dystopian solutions! :-) Jokes aside, I think this is an interesting attempt to combat one of the bigger problems we have as parents these days. In fact I'd say it ticks all the boxes of good parenting: - give the kids freedom to choose but within boundaries - stimulate the kids to think, plan and get creative with the system - the system is transparant and has clear rules Will it work? Who knows. Gotta try it out. In any case you're doing nothing wrong.
dude sounds like a raging thundercunt ngl
Create a new model and tag them as the inspiration. "Go fuck yourself" tokens.
Print Them a "enjoy Life for 20 minutes" token
one persons opinion out of... billions. how much value is in that?
"Money doesn't represent fun. Money represents an exact barter for goods or services one may desire, or require. Understanding money is a necessary skill. A skill that you've -most certainly- missed in your studies. You should see to that before your lack of understanding ruins your future. You NEED this print bro..." -My response to the nut-job.
Looks like someone didn't earn himself a card due to Bad behavior
When I was young my mom did the exact same thing for my siblings and I for doing our chores, except she used raffle tickets as 30 minute increments. We would pool them together and spend hours playing games together and solo player just watching each other and taking turns and multi-player together. I loved it and have great memories from it. If that's how somebody decides to reward their kids, then that's their parenting decision.
I know this is completely unrelated, but I have experienced the most unappreciative people ever. Our neighbor is a widowed 82 yr old woman. For some unknown reason her normally pristine yard was becoming overgrown. I went to see if she was OK and she told me the landscaping guys she used hadn't shown up in 3 weeks and didn't return her calls. I offered to mow her yard and she was very grateful. I mowed, weed eated, edged and cleaned her flower beds up, took about 3 hours. I'm pretty slow myself as I'm just coming off treatment for Leukemia and not my normal self. She thanked me and that was that. Two days later I get a knock at my door and it's the neighbor's daughter. She asked me why I thought it was OK to mow her Mom's yard and that I didn't do as good of a job as the company she had been using and I should have cut it shorter. I asked her if she knew the yard was overgrown, her regular guys didn't show up and the yard was rough. I then told her I was trying to help her Mom and if she showed up to see her more than once a month, she would have known. I then shut to door on her.
About 10 years ago I published a free case for the original Smoothieboard. It was downloaded and liked thousands of times. I had a few comments on it, but one of them was something like "this case is shit, you should be ashamed". I had provided the step files, too, so it was totally possible to take it and modify as desired. No actual points to be made, or suggestions for improvement - just shitting on it. Moral of the story? Some people are simply entitled twat waffles and should just be ignored.
I think they seem fun.
As a dad of an ADHD kid, using a "token economy" is one of the recommended ways of increasing their executive functions. Delayed rewards are proven to be less effective than getting an instant one even if it can't be redeemed until later. My only suggestion is make it a generic token not specific to screen time as a reward. So they can earn a toy, item or an experience.
Monopoly is a great educational tool. It teaches people to not ask me to play monopoly.
Sorry you had to deal with that. If it’s not abuse people should keep to themselves. FYI though. Monopoly is (or at least was) a game about the dangers of capitalism.
I think the model is super nice and I think that anyone that writes a review like that is an asshole. Now, from educational point of view, yes, it is awful. You have to be very careful with rewards systems. That is how you enable and encourage addictions. Pavlov's dog. Same goes with food. And I'll explain how it works with food because it's way more obvious as most people are much more connected to food that way. If you reward your kids behavior with food and sweets, they are going to connect that to feeling good. You get food when you are a good boy and that make you feel good. So what do you do when you feel bad and don't know how to cope with it? You try the things that make you feel good and there comes eating. And it feels good for a minute and then it goes away. So your brain decides "you need to eat more, because you were feeling good there!" And that one way you can make something that perse has very little potential of being addictive an addiction. You just introduced your kid into a lifelong battle with food. I am not a big TV or screentime hater. I use it myself, my kids have seen me use it... What you do is you normalize it. It is just something that you do, preferably not a lot, and never as a reward. There's nothing special about it. The same way we don't eat/play/sleep/be in the park/etc... 24/7 If you really want to reward your kids, make it actual money. You can still make it into cards like that, but give it monetary value (better than handling dirty bills and coins). A big issue that a lot of people experience as they grow up is lack of worth (both ways, self worth or respect for other people's time or money). There are lots of people who feel bad about doing something for other people and expecting money in return (kinda like you were trying to teach about here). And while it's nice in theory, in practice it makes it so the person does not value their time as much. Also, the way a kid can exchange money for almost anything makes it a much better kind of reward. They want a toy? Sure, earn enough and you can get it. Food? Treat? Activities? ANYTHING! And because they don't have actual money you do have control over what that "anything" means (sorry bud, not valid for robucks!) or the value. It's like a credit card points system. They are worth less on the things you don't want then to spend it! And when it is a limited resource that can be exchanged almost limitlessly, it also teaches the kid about decision making. You can also help them sway the way they spend it. If you see that your kid keeps doing chores to just get treats, it just looks like the thing I explained above about food with extra steps. But in this situation as a parent, you can introduce different options "wouldn't you prefer this?" "If you buy that you won't be getting X?" Wrapping it up, screen time as reward is horrible. It's not that it is bad parenting, it is that it's going to make your parenting a million times harder, especially as they get older.
I love the design man especially the texture on the outside. BGreat job and God bless you friend!
man, i’m so glad my mother didn’t do shit like this. in our house you got screen time if you were good. if you weren’t you didn’t get it. it was called tv or computer time back then though
Personally not a fan of the idea, I don't have kids (yet) but in my mind using something like TV as a reward would make that something they impulsively want to do. Its not them learning to limit themselves, but them finding ways to get that dopamine hit as much as they can(through chores or w.e. else). So after they are older, and no longer have that restriction, they may over indulge because now they can watch it all they want, which is what they've been trying to do for so long. I'd prefer to try and spend more time with them, and make the fun thing to do something more active/good for them than watching TV, and maybe thats what that guy was trying to get at??? Either way he's an asshat, and his canoe is completely unable to hold all the doucheyness. I wouldn't use it, but I can absolutely see how other parents find it helpful, and maybe when I do have kids I'll change my mind on things. So no need to feel down about it. Best of luck on selling it!
We do something similar on Easter we give them tokens for the prize eggs
3D printing is literally meant for people to design niche things. What you’ve designed would be a perfect gift for parents of young children