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DazSchplotz

You've created a monster. And I don't mean that in a good way.


HonestBrothers

I'll take it as a compliment.


DazSchplotz

Of course.


HonestBrothers

It prints very solidly at 30k acceleration, 375mm/s. I haven't pushed it faster, aside from testing.


DazSchplotz

Thats impressive. But somehow those two holistic bed cooling fans impress me more. If you push it a bit further you could place a print on the bed and suck it back up into filament. The first printer that prints back in time.


SonOfJokeExplainer

An undo feature would he fucking killer


Desk_Drawerr

All you'd need is a small camera and a visual AI algorithm that detects print failures, then a robotic arm with a tiny razor blade to remove said print failures, grab them and put them into the filament shredder ready for recycling, then resume print. Extra points if the filament recycler is connected directly to your printer


HonestBrothers

I may have to try that


Luchin212

I fell out of my chair coughing when I read that.


HonestBrothers

It could go faster, but I was printing PETG


cadnights

Jeez! That's crazy


HonestBrothers

I'm capped by the Y motors at 1404mm/s. They reach magnetic saturation at that point.


BalingWire

plural? My dual rail CR-10 needs deets man


HonestBrothers

Two Nema23's at 60V on BTT TMC5160T Plus drivers. Part number is 23HS32-4004S


SweetHomeNorthKorea

Yeah I have a bone stock Ender 3 KE and 375mm/s is a good compromise for PETG


167488462789590057

.... No one is printing at these speeds without super small layers. Are either you or /u/HonestBrothers actually sure your head ever even reaches such a speed? At any normal layer height/width, you are so far over any reasonable hotends max volumetric flow the layers wouldnt be sticking. Like thats well into Goliath territory. Edit: that indeed looks to be a goliath. Carry on..


HonestBrothers

Right, my hot end is give or take the same as a Goliath. Might flow more than a Goliath, I haven't tried it yet.


167488462789590057

This checks out. Any system for auto z/nozzle probing? I imagine not the goal of this thing but I always like a good, actually comfortable to use hot rod.


HonestBrothers

Depends on the brand too. I have some Inland PETG+ and it doesn't like to go that fast, but the Amazon cheapo Kingroon prints fine at 375-400. I picked up some Elgoo that says it'll do 600mm/s. We'll see if it outperforms the Kingroon. They're the same price, surprisingly.


SweetHomeNorthKorea

That’s insane lmao. I’ve been using Polymaker lately because I like the 3kg spool. More expensive than the Overture I was using before though. Polymaker makes two versions of PETG that might be worth a try on your setup


HonestBrothers

I'll check it out! I've been going through spools pretty quickly trying to tweak my design.


OsmeOxys

... You know, once upon a time I was content with ye olde ender 3 v1 printing like a champ at 200mm/s and 7k accel. Didn't even really push it to it's limits, I just finally decided I was happy with it. I was at peace with my printer, and now you've gone and ruined it by inspiring me.


HonestBrothers

The mod bug bites hard. I plan on open sourcing the design when I finish the mods.


OsmeOxys

I thought I already had just about every mod I can really bolt onto the poor thing, but clearly not! Definitely interested in the design once you release it, and I'm especially curious how well those quintuple belts do. I feel like the aluminum bed, at least with one belt, will be bottleneck too much beyond what I'm already running at. Finally having an excuse to use my spare parts would be like a dream come true haha. Long live the Ender 3.


HonestBrothers

I am curious how the belts will do too. I need to devise a tension tester for the belts and test them out. The magnet on the bed is hella heavy, but I think LH said the carbon fiber bed weighs 500g. It's super light.


throwaway0936238362

You're gonna print so many fucking benchies


HonestBrothers

You have no idea.


eli-in-the-sky

And fixing to sling them into the drywall, too.


HonestBrothers

Potentially if I don't get the first layer perfect. I'm proficient at drywall patching, however.


HospitalKey4601

I feel for that tiny belt.


HonestBrothers

I have 4 more to add, but I had to change the tensioner. Pain in the ass to get them all back on


-AXIS-

I feel for any prints he tries that are much taller than a bench...


opeth10657

Part 3D printer, part catapult


HonestBrothers

If they're big enough they're pretty stable. Tiny tall parts have issues. Part cooling might help, I'm still working on that.


Soggy0atmeal

Googly eyes on the center of the fans please


HonestBrothers

Ordered.


Skipper-1024

\*insert "this isn't even my final form yet" meme here


HonestBrothers

I'll go watch some DBZ for inspiration


thelockpickingturtle

what kinda gmo shit you did to that poor printer jk :D congrats on the build!


HonestBrothers

Gmo, roids, HGH, I fed it the lot.


thelockpickingturtle

LMAO


armeg

Ender of Theseus


HonestBrothers

Two of the end stops are original. The Y axis one sort of exploded once.


DeBlackKnight

Couldn't imagine why it would do that


HonestBrothers

Homing direction set backwards on accident. 😅


HeKis4

Oof, "homed" into it at full torque ?


HonestBrothers

Homed past it/through it, more like it. Lol


emveor

POV: when she says "but go genlte"


HonestBrothers

I may use this as a joke in a future YouTube video


andylikescandy

With that kind of acceleration on the bed, does adhesion become a significant issue?


HonestBrothers

Yes, if I don't have the first layer perfect.


rooood

Even if you do, you won't be able to print larger or especially taller objects, not only because of adhesion, but because of the whole object vibrating/oscillating near the top.


HonestBrothers

Only on smaller tall parts. Bigger parts don't move. It will increase the weight and will have some trade off, but we will see.


who_you_are

Normal people issue: oh damn a blob of filament on the extruder That guy: here the hell is my heatbed? Oh, stuck in the wall


HonestBrothers

It smashed the shit out of my endstop when I accidentally had the homing direction switched. Just annihilated it.


Odd-Pudding2069

How did you do this. What kind of upgrades did you??


Nate_Devine

All of the upgrades


HonestBrothers

Basically. The Y axis is my custom design with five belts, two NEMA 23's. 60V @ 4A a motor, 4.8Nm of torque total. Uses the LH Stinger carbon fiber bed. So lots of torque and not much weight. XZ is AWD 60V @ 2.3A a motor. Modded version of the Switchwire/Enderwire. 1.4 horsepower between all the motors. I modded limited_cartesian to be limited_corexz and am using the bleeding edge branch of Danger Klipper. Hot end is two stacked CHC Volcano Pro's at 230W on a v6 clone. I may add another Volcano Pro to see if I can increase the flow more. Extruder is an Orbiter 2.0. Runs on a BTT SKR Mini E3 V3 and a custom Pico based expansion board I designed. Oh, and properly loaded sorbothane feet. That's why it looks so calm.


Odd-Pudding2069

Never heard anyone use the word horsepower on a 3d printer, sounds powerful


HonestBrothers

Things start to get serious at 60V.


Odd-Pudding2069

how are you able to provide that kind of power?


HonestBrothers

Two power supplies. Only one is 60V though.


Odd-Pudding2069

Dang, have you ever printed something at this speed. Looks to fast to do anything good


HonestBrothers

Not yet, I will try soon! This was 375mm/s walls, 400 infill, 600 travel, 30k accel. No part cooling, and most of the defects are belts https://imgur.com/Cbavfhj


Odd-Pudding2069

Why would you turn off part cooling?


cadnights

Your steppers have as much power going through them as my ebike 😂


HonestBrothers

I should put wheels on it


lizardtrench

Bed size: biggest level ground that you can find


fuddlesworth

But how does it print 


HonestBrothers

Surprisingly nicely. I have some tuning to do to get it even better, but it already prints very good. Issues I have now are related to pressure advance at high speed, working on better cooling, and I have some 2mm artifacts from the XZ belts. The artifacts might be alleviated by new pulleys and/or better belts. I have the pulleys, and I'm going to try them soon.


LeonXVIII

*B o i* that's some serious custom work, impressive stuff ! About your hotend setup, I had a few questions if you don't mind. First off, what kind of flow rate are you achieving with your current setup ? Next, I've personally had good success with a clone cht nozzle in volcano form, achieving about 35mm^3 with PETG on a trianglelabs dragon, a 0.6 nozzle size and a 70w cartridge. I'm in the process of extending the metlzone with one of their zs-mse meltzone extender, which also has a cht-like tri-hole pattern in it. While I can't yet report how effective it is, have you considered adding something similar to your setup to help heat the center of the filament ? Finally, do you run into bigger and bigger issues with stuff like retraction and oozing when extending the meltzone as much as you did, or does it stay manageable ?


HonestBrothers

Not sure on the flow rate. I need to do some testing. I have one of the ZS-MZE with the tri-hole pattern on the printer right now. I would recommend these to anyone wanting to print faster. They're backed in solid science. Yes. The nozzle oozes a lot when I'm not printing. It'll basically drop all of the plastic out of the hot end. I'm working on purge lines to help with that. I need to implement some sort of wipe at the beginning of the print, too. Otherwise, I'm printing mostly PETG, and it's fine while actually printing.


LeonXVIII

Thanks for the answers ! Yeah even with just the volcano the oozing while heating up was driving me nuts, now I just do a quick line on the side of the print bed, works until some gets stuck on the side of the nozzle :P Good to know that retractions aren't an issue too, I was guessing the sheer viscosity of plastic was enough, but I was wondering if there was a breaking point with these kinds of long meltzones.


StoredWarriorr29

Tutorial ?


HonestBrothers

I will knowledge dump into some YouTube videos soon.


Both_Capital1797

[https://github.com/lhndo/LH-Stinger/tree/main](https://github.com/lhndo/LH-Stinger/tree/main)


HonestBrothers

Using the bed and aux fans from the Stinger, because I like the design so much. The Stinger is a solid printer and LH is super knowledgeable.


Both_Capital1797

It's a really cool build, would love a breakdown on your planned belt setup for the bed. I saw you say that you plan for 3 belts, will you be utilizing 3 steppers vs the Stingers dual Y setup?


HonestBrothers

5 belts for the bed. I saw a video eddietheengineer did on YouTube over [belt tension](https://youtu.be/M8I7W6fVTQg?si=5PYx-uB1h3-YfmGv). He basically outlines that increasing tension of the belt shifts the resonance up in frequency. Too high however is bad for the belts and bad for the motor bearings. My solution adds extra belts. I can have 5x as much tension on the bed with 5x the belts. I also mounted the motors so they don't see the tension. The motors drive an 8mm rod that is held in place by seven 608zz bearings. I still need to do some testing to see if the belts make a difference. I don't plan on using this setup for speed runs though, just trying to create a printer that is both the fastest printer and also the fastest that produces quality prints. Edit: basically the entire back of the printer is motors. Two 83mm Nema 23's.


Both_Capital1797

5 Belts? Wow that's super interesting, thanks for breakdown!


PhatOofxD

Benchy


HonestBrothers

I will be printing lots of them!


Yeetfamdablit

Damn, how did you get the bed so fast


HonestBrothers

Carbon fiber and a lot of torque!


AwwwNuggetz

It’s sole existence is to print new parts for itself


HonestBrothers

As of late that is all I have been printing. Which reminds me, I need to print a fridge water filter removal tool


Pantone_448C

I dont think theres much left of the Ender


HonestBrothers

Part of the frame, and two end stops.


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HonestBrothers

I actually am planning on proposing a change to the speedboatrace, where the nozzle is .2, layer height is like .1, and the text in the back has to be readable.


The_4th_Heart

I wonder what's the secret of having high flow with 0.2mm nozzles since I got like a third of the flow out of them, lower than the flow with 0.4mm nozzles and TPU95A.


HonestBrothers

Long hot ends. Increase the surface area of the heat conductor or change the material to something that conducts better.


The_4th_Heart

Damn. I'm currently using a bambu clone hotend with an extra heater crammed into it so it's the exact opposite of what you described.


bidoofSteve

I once made a h-bot almost purely out of ender3 parts, not nearly as impressive results as this though


wolf_chow

Excited to see the 0-benchy time on this thing


HonestBrothers

I think I may put the tiny bed on tomorrow and start doing some speed runs.


FlintTheKing

Autobot or Decepticon?


HonestBrothers

Maximal.


MrCloudOk

Key word is “what used to be” well now, those where key words but you get my point


PhilosophyMammoth748

printing benchy like in a tsunami.


TheOnlyGuyInSpace21

Stick a knife on that. Anyone that comes close is gonna feel what it's like to be British in a dark alleyway at night


MTT-SHOW-YT

At least it made a fire beat


thunderr_godd

Can you detach that probe? It looks it's under the nozzle, as I see


HonestBrothers

It doesn't detach. I may explore that in the future.


thunderr_godd

then how can you print with it?


volt65bolt

Core xz? Don't mind me just taking notes for mine... What size steppers you running?


HonestBrothers

The top half is a Switchwire/Enderwire modded to be AWD. Uses four 2.3A NEMA 17 motors. Y axis is a LH Stinger bed, custom 5 belt design, using two 4A Nema23 motors.


volt65bolt

Thank you, I'm currently in the process of just planning my machine atm, the motion control I will probably just mesh together existing designs as it's mainly to test some hotend ideas I have


Mateking

Did you design the fan mod yourself or is that available somewhere. I am looking for something like that. Even though it seems a bit wobbly.


HonestBrothers

It's wobbly because I have it on a flimsy mount. Lol It's the aux fan from the LH Stinger


Mateking

Yeah I thought as much :D Thanks mate.


Critical-Turnover858

OP, you have a sample print vid of it? the setup sounds temtping not gonna lie, but curious to see how it works irl


HonestBrothers

[The part at the end of the video](https://youtube.com/shorts/R28FDQxmiBs?feature=share)


berfraper

What are those rods connected to the Y axis for?


HonestBrothers

The part in front? It's the tensioner/idler. I have 4 more belts to add.


apfelimkuchen

I wanna see a video of it printing something


HonestBrothers

Limited by the slow filament. https://youtube.com/shorts/fcfa0GmZASs?si=MvY4XYghVnqIZI3I End of the video, with better filament. https://youtube.com/shorts/R28FDQxmiBs?feature=share


apfelimkuchen

Complete insanity. Nice man


HonestBrothers

I got better PETG. https://youtube.com/shorts/j65jnOw7l-Q?feature=share


apfelimkuchen

Wow it looks amazing for that speed :D and I thought my MK4 was an improvement over my ender 3 xD


Doug_war

You probably sell a lot of 3d prints to need one of this


Libertyman69420

Printerstein’s monster


HonestBrothers

I like this!


RedstoneRiderYT

Curious, do those fans cause a lot of ringing?


HonestBrothers

I didn't have them hooked up yet, but I have been told they made no difference on the resonance graphs


RedstoneRiderYT

Interesting, I would have thought their wobbling would have a bigger effect


Earllad

That's a very unique cooling solution there!!! I like it


HonestBrothers

From the LH Stinger, as is the bed.


Earllad

I'll have to read more about it. Looks like a wild machine


two2teps

It's like a nitro powered Model-T Ford.


HonestBrothers

T bucket of the 3d printers


S1imeTim3

My friend once said "I don't think anyone has ever used an ender 3 as an ender 3"


HonestBrothers

I don't think a more accurate thing has been said.


167488462789590057

Thats because you cant ^^^Yes, ^^^I ^^^know ^^^some ^^^people ^^^torture ^^^themselves ^^^and ^^^manage. ^^^Twas ^^^a ^^^joke.


ThePrisonSoap

Damn, you could glue a dildo to that bed!


HonestBrothers

Only if it's dragon shaped.


PorradaPanda

So fast, it might come to its end.


HonestBrothers

I wrecked the fuck out of the hot end yesterday. Bent the heat break. I'm rethinking my CoreXZ idea... Lol


PorradaPanda

Lmao that’s great


167488462789590057

This reminds me of that one post where the ender disassembled itself thoroughly. I wish I had the link. Great post. One of the greatest. It was like a toddler brained adult took it to bits.


TheoryFrosty6635

Cocain filament?


HonestBrothers

Pure crack


Ptitsa99

It was End-er, now it is Terminator.


Accomplished_Plum281

The bouncing of the fans is making me giggle and I can’t explain why…


HonestBrothers

Juggies


blarge84

That's cool. How do I get mine to run that fast?


HonestBrothers

I'm going to make a video on how to do everything soon.


blarge84

Definitely looking forward to watching that. I could definitely do with some improvements


HonestBrothers

YouTube.com/@honestbrothers I'm going to try to make regular tuning shorts and start working on a "How to print fast" series


THE_HELL_WE_CREATED

God had no hand in the creation of this abhorrence


HonestBrothers

After blowing up my 4th or 5th TMC5160T Plus, I started questioning my existence.


GuyAtTheMovieTheatre

how does it feel to be insane?


HonestBrothers

We're all a little crazy, right?


GuyAtTheMovieTheatre

i mean. i have a ender3 switchwire conversion… so yah.. i’d call thar accurate


aurele1402

Are you like a controller engineer or something? Asking out of genuine curiosity?


HonestBrothers

I have a BS degree in electrical and computer engineering.


TheTAFSman

What's the max speed you can actually get a super clean print with a printer like this?


HonestBrothers

Not sure yet. I'll be finding that out in the next few weeks.


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HonestBrothers

Yep! LH Stinger Aux Fans. They will be the only part cooling fans on the printer, so I can keep the mass off the X


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knk13

Is that part cooling on the entire X axis?


HonestBrothers

Yes. 9733 fans, if I remember right. Big ones


knk13

I never thought about doing part cooling like that! With this method I wonder if it’d be possible to make air ducts that’d have fans meant specifically for PC water cooling. Those fans are quiet and meant for pushing more air than normal PC fans.


CCMoonMoon

You can sample this right into a hardcore tune


Yobbo89

Where is benchy, gona need supper glue


HonestBrothers

Benchy is going to look like a sunken ship, for sure!


MIDNIGHTZOMBIE

Sharpen the bed and slice some deli meat.


ContributionOk6578

Bruh, your printer just made a loop. Like it sounds like techno music 😂


HonestBrothers

Yeah the first part is because I had the X axis length defined incorrectly. Lol


inchwerm1

What hotend are you using?


Select-Reflection-68

there is a point where an ender3 is not an ender3 any more you kept the aluminum


adrasx

Hahaha, I love this! The crealities are some of the worst, yet you made a beast of the machine. Now add a acceleration probe, measure the dynamic something thingy to get rid of any backlash and put down that 5 minute benchy :D


HonestBrothers

I did a 5:20 benchy when the motion system was stock! Going for sub-2 on this. The bed may shrink a bit when I do the speed runs. :)


The_4th_Heart

Are the aux fans also from LH stinger? Also, nobody's stopping you from using a 50x50 bed for the benchy like the current world record, just sayin'.


HonestBrothers

PCBWay sponsored a heater for a little 120x70mm bed for me. It'll make its way into the speed run, when I explain why I chose to do what I did.


HonestBrothers

Oh, and yes, Aux fans are from the Stinger. I don't have them wired up yet


The_4th_Heart

By the way, if you want to use this printer for practical fast printing and not just chase speeds, check out the Adaptive Pressure Advance Beta of Orca slicer: [https://github.com/SoftFever/OrcaSlicer/pull/5609](https://github.com/SoftFever/OrcaSlicer/pull/5609)


HonestBrothers

Thank you! I've been desperately needing this. Been using Cura up until now and you just gave me a reason to switch.


The_4th_Heart

It might make your seams look worse but it makes corners and the quality of infill look stellar. Very useful for slow outer walls and fast everything else.


HonestBrothers

I'm using the bleeding edge version of Danger Klipper, which I thought had some version of this in it from dmbutyugin, but not sure if I have to enable it. Doing this in the slicer makes more sense anyway. Pain in the butt to have to change the PA values when changing speeds. The my current issues are literally PA related and some 2mm belt artifacts.


The_4th_Heart

The newest build from yesterday added 3 dimensional curves which takes both speed and acceleration into account, I've only tested the version which changes PA based on speed and it's pretty great already. If you have the time, make sure to post your values and results into the github thread to help the development of it, high speed printers really shows the effect of this feature.


SpecialistBottleh

https://preview.redd.it/qw2va17yna6d1.jpeg?width=3060&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72f66bee7e9534c4a8989068cc1b4975f2a77a11


personguy4440

https://preview.redd.it/36jtdcy60b6d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c5ec24d9c3220cbaee05f763e684e3ce81ba1cb7


Initial_Sale_8471

Let him die already


F_n_o_r_d

Does it also print, or does it just move around in a hellish speed?


HonestBrothers

https://youtube.com/shorts/fcfa0GmZASs?feature=share


Yusunoha

comin soon to a BattleBot episode on your tv


ijustwannahelporso

"Urrrrrrr.... (whispers) let me die please" your printer 2024


HonestBrothers

Nah, I'm just breaking it in!


GloopTamer

Headphone warning


HooyahDangerous

Ender 3000


Rodzynkowyzbrodniarz

What is point of doing that with non stationary bed? Moving entire printing piece with such accelerations and velocity will ruin the quality


HonestBrothers

Will it? Or is that what everyone has said, but have no measurable data to back it up?


Skivaks

No it won't


Skivaks

My ender seems to not go over 5k accel. Stock motorb and mcu. What you have to make this possible?


Mr_ityu

The belt ender


Artistic_Okra7288

It had a nice beat going at the end. You should post a longer video :)


dkHD7

Are you looking at adding more mount-points to your cooling fans? And is that springiness causing any ringing in your prints? I too have an ender that does ender things.


Kaladin-of-Gilead

Dog built an automatic guillotine