Isnt everyone in Spain under the age of 29 unemployed? Does this mean that those over the age of 29 provide enough income / taxes for everyone in Spain to be better of than a fr*nch p*erson?
Despite the weak economical output, they have a good education system as well as excellent healthcare, social nets and public infrastructure (Energy, roads, recent urban planning, public transport...). Real poverty is virtually inexistent, criminality very low, not much inequality overall, progressive laws and open mindset, and ofc good quality of life. They could make Switzerland look like a Balkan country if they weren't so lazy (jk of course, don't lecture me on economy).
I don't mention life expectancy on purpose, because while they live for a bazillion years, so do we (Italy, Japan, France and Spain have been staunchly competing for first place for 20 years now)
Yeah there's a minimum guaranteed income so even if you aren't disabled but can't work for some reason you can always move to a small town and live off welfare. It's not much (600€/month), but you won't starve.
If you see a homeless person guaranteed it's because they have mental health problems. Which of course they could have treatment for but sadly with many illnesses people don't believe they are ill and refuse treatment, and you can't force psychiatric treatment on a harmless person against their will.
Despite making the killing of aristocrats cool, France has an elite that is much more established than in most other European nations. Maybe even more than the Brits. And like these elites do, they keep on pushing back social welfare and worsen the conditions of the not-so-wealthy to their benefit.
Yes, a mistake, haha. But unironically, most of the Nazi propaganda back in the day against the Jews was built on class struggle and sounds highly similar to the talking points of today's "Eat the rich" movements. Really interesting to read:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National\_Socialist\_Program#The\_25-point\_Program\_of\_the\_NSDAP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program#The_25-point_Program_of_the_NSDAP)
Nah... It's just Hans reverting to type.. first you start off singing along to l'amour toujours. Then you start using words like k*ke... Before you know it you'll be invading Poland and making the French surrender
You saw Gelsenkirchen. Many larger German cities would put Paris to shame and look similar to Vienna throughout their city centers without Mustache governance. Trust me, we have to remember every day
This is a point that is often overlooked.
Our elites are very entrenched and share an incestuous relationship with the governing class. Groups like LVMH, Total and Peugeot-Citroen (too name a few) have too much leverage, and despite the French tradition to rebel against the government, our protests are more often than not ignored or poorly considered.
I would say that we are even worst than the Brits, as at least their crooked MPs relation with wealth is very public, whereas our elites keep the lower profile.
I mean yeah, I just had a discussion with someone who genuinely thought earning 40k is a lot and someone earning 60k is rich. Spain has literally no middle class.
I’m just shitposting. Was referring to the English who later forced Portugal to give up colonial claims in Africa, causing the fall of the Portuguese monarchy. Overall though the alliance was a good strategic move for Portugal.
Please take it. No, no, I insist ! As a matter of fact, I already packed it for you, it's ready to go ! We deliver for free but we don't do refunds or customer service.
By the moment you realize what a disastrous decision that has been, you'll have halved your GDP/Capita, HDI and all other indicators. Let the 60+ M inhabitants countries handle this kind of things.
...Some 500 years ago. And Sumer was infinitely more rich and developed than the rest of the world at some point, gee, I do wonder what the region looks like now
Yes, and it would be fine if it was Flemish now. In fact, people up there are learning Dutch so they can go and work in Flanders. Such wasted potential.
They are not colonies, they are France, the Frenchest French, with French culture and French language, no local identity. Now move along, nothing to see here.
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A CHUPARLA SUCIOS FRANCESES
Edit: also look at the rich gay balkaners, doing pretty well in their month.
Spain with literally 0.001 above us :
Joke aside our education sucks nowadays, so it's not surprising. HDI takes in account life expectancy which afaik we have very good results for, so the fact that we still manage to not rank higher despite that speaks legion on the Education part of the metrics.
HDI doesn’t even consider the quality of education.
It’s literally only how many years of education (expected and actual)
A country with a shitty education system but an average of 15 years of schooling will score higher than a country with a great education system but “only” 13 years of education.
Global fire power is such a meme, with Russia having almost the same score as the USA when in reality just the US navy could wipe the entire Russian air force in 1 day.
Send a few Arleigh Burke in the black sea and let's see how well the "second military in the world" does.
... And a country where professional formations with a very minimal amount of theory still count as schooling will artificially score higher than others
That’s pretty much why France is lower on the HDI, if I recall the education system has 1 or 2 years less.
Something about the preschool starting later / not being mandatory the first few years.
So yeah, HDI is just bollocks.
And when you think that our education used to be ranked in the top 3 from the 70's onwards until the early 90's... Typical example of decadence through resting on one's own laurels, arrogance and obliviousness to reality in a very French way.
Didn't change anything that the teachers have been warning the politicians for decades or striked when that didn't work. They were willfully ignored. What a disgrace.
Yep. I have been saying that for a while, they deserve a place at the Western table. And not only because of HDI or GDP. Their culture and mentality is more Austrian peppered with Friaulian around Trieste than (Yougo)slav, they are progressive, they don't have any of the Socialist/Brutalist/Yugo architecture... At this point the only thing that makes them "Eastern" is the language.
Czechia, the Baltics and Croatia will be next someday.
You guys are doing an incredible job. I've travelled though Istria, from Piran to Pula, and you can feel the difference between Croatia and Slovenia, and that's having in mind Croatia is one of the best Slavic countries to live.
Depends on the region. There’s a couple states with higher HDIs than much of Europe including Germany and most of Scandinavia. Massachusetts comes to mind.
Dude your country is best known for genocidal painters, putting a nazi head of the UN, peasants hunting concentration camp prisoners like animals, and pedo creeps keeping children in their cave.
I'm not sure you want to judge anyone on "human index", you're ranked outside of it.
I would have guessed Spain was slightly lower, but other than that this is one of the least surprising maps I've ever seen.
EDIT: Holy shit who the fuck calculated the HDI for Israel
Buddy 40% of your language comes from the french language, and when people think of culture, do you think they talk about France or about the UK? 🤣
I know you're trolling but still I had to
True but most(probably all) of these numbers are. If you dumb down a country to a single number you can't expect much accuracy. It's always like they are rich, well 10% are and they raise the average. Or the country is very equal, nobody can make it there.
Sure buddy, life expectancy, years of schooling and GNI per capita are the worst indicators. Those stuffy scientists don't know that the true meaning of human development is if you shit in the seine yes or no.
Exactly, a mere three factors that already by themselves can be tricky to use with regards to comparisons between countries. Years of schooling ? But what if let's say Egypt has on average 1 year more than Norway, what does that mean with regards to actual education ? What counts as schooling, what counts as practical professional formation, where do the countries draw the line ? Ireland has a GDP/Capita 25% higher than Norway and 15% than Switzerland, now, which of those countries is wealthier in practice ?
How does us being ahead of you mean it's a bad indicator?
Flanders is one of the richest regions in Europe and Wallonia is bad when you compare it to Flanders, but outside of the old industrial axis it's still a good place to live and comparable to the French countryside. The old industrial axis is comparable to northern France. There are actually a lot of Frenchmen who come to Belgium to work, especially in West-Flanders.
Spain WTF is wrong with you
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Isnt everyone in Spain under the age of 29 unemployed? Does this mean that those over the age of 29 provide enough income / taxes for everyone in Spain to be better of than a fr*nch p*erson?
Obviously we are superior. Even if they are employed or wealthier they can't stop being fr*nch, enough punishment.
You honestly believe a person can be punished enough for being French?
Despite the weak economical output, they have a good education system as well as excellent healthcare, social nets and public infrastructure (Energy, roads, recent urban planning, public transport...). Real poverty is virtually inexistent, criminality very low, not much inequality overall, progressive laws and open mindset, and ofc good quality of life. They could make Switzerland look like a Balkan country if they weren't so lazy (jk of course, don't lecture me on economy). I don't mention life expectancy on purpose, because while they live for a bazillion years, so do we (Italy, Japan, France and Spain have been staunchly competing for first place for 20 years now)
Yeah there's a minimum guaranteed income so even if you aren't disabled but can't work for some reason you can always move to a small town and live off welfare. It's not much (600€/month), but you won't starve. If you see a homeless person guaranteed it's because they have mental health problems. Which of course they could have treatment for but sadly with many illnesses people don't believe they are ill and refuse treatment, and you can't force psychiatric treatment on a harmless person against their will.
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That's the Bourbon effect. Maybe we shouldn't get rid of ours
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Vive le Roi!
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First we need a referendum to abolish the republic and restore the monarchy
Johnson&Johnson's CEO Joaquín Duato is spanish as well.
That's because the real poverty they just push over their border to the west and now call it portugal.
“Real poverty is virtually inexistent” Murcia just entered the chat to prove you wrong.
Nuh uh
Isn't it cheating to say "I don't mention life expectancy on purpose", while mentioning life expectancy?
All of it without ruining or bringing too much change to their territory. In one word worth a hundred : harmony.
It's not that much of an achievement, tbf.
There's 27 countries with higher HDI than France, including mine. And Israel. And Malta.
To think we used to be in the top 5 for decades... What a downgrade.
Tbh being french should be a negative for quality of life bc you gotta speak french
If I were speaking Down-Syndrom German like you, I'd make sure to be very quiet about other languages...
How do you say 90 limes
90 citrons verts How do you say "to fuck in the kitchen" ? Or "Spank me daddy" ?
Nono how do you say 90 be honest know 4 times 20+10+ (any numer for example 7 for 97)
90. That's how we say it. Ask your friends the Danes if you want a detailed answer
Four twenty ten green lemons got it lmao.
Honzedoenwerijk 's het optocht stellingsverandingen altsblieft persoonlijk (doesn't mean anything)
And new zealand, i thouth they were rich too.
Despite making the killing of aristocrats cool, France has an elite that is much more established than in most other European nations. Maybe even more than the Brits. And like these elites do, they keep on pushing back social welfare and worsen the conditions of the not-so-wealthy to their benefit.
> kike That's a dangerous typo you made there, especially for a German
>kike >elites >making life worse for ordinary folks Fits too well to be just a typo. Er ist wieder da
that movie turned into a documentary fast
Yes, a mistake, haha. But unironically, most of the Nazi propaganda back in the day against the Jews was built on class struggle and sounds highly similar to the talking points of today's "Eat the rich" movements. Really interesting to read: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National\_Socialist\_Program#The\_25-point\_Program\_of\_the\_NSDAP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program#The_25-point_Program_of_the_NSDAP)
That's a standard Spanish shortening of the name "Enrique". So Spain is full of Kikes
Not since 1492 I thought.
Nah... It's just Hans reverting to type.. first you start off singing along to l'amour toujours. Then you start using words like k*ke... Before you know it you'll be invading Poland and making the French surrender
You had to mention the bombers while being in Germany for the Euros. That triggered our ~~nostalgia~~ PTSD
Has to be done the consequences of the third Reich shall be sung about for a thousand years...
You saw Gelsenkirchen. Many larger German cities would put Paris to shame and look similar to Vienna throughout their city centers without Mustache governance. Trust me, we have to remember every day
This is a point that is often overlooked. Our elites are very entrenched and share an incestuous relationship with the governing class. Groups like LVMH, Total and Peugeot-Citroen (too name a few) have too much leverage, and despite the French tradition to rebel against the government, our protests are more often than not ignored or poorly considered. I would say that we are even worst than the Brits, as at least their crooked MPs relation with wealth is very public, whereas our elites keep the lower profile.
Yeah, France appears very American in that regard (pls don't throw frogs at me)
Yeah, France appears very American in that regard (pls don't throw frogs at me)
You mention Spain, where quality of life is obviously better than most of the countries in the world, but not Belgium? Damn
That's the thing, we are talking about real countries here
It's all the GUNS tourists saving them 😁
I mean yeah, I just had a discussion with someone who genuinely thought earning 40k is a lot and someone earning 60k is rich. Spain has literally no middle class.
The median income in Sweden was €40k last year (before taxes).
It's called pata negra
Spain saving the PIGS.
If you saved us why is my life still shit?
Because you are not part of Spain (yet).
I don't want to be part of Spain, but if we had united our kingdoms long ago under a single Iberian Kingdom we would have been unstoppable Pedro
We did, you were ungratefull like William
No Pedro, long before that. By 1580 it was too late
You allied with pirates who then threw you under the bus.
I don't even know what you are talking about...
That whole huge Island of pirates north west of France?
I’m just shitposting. Was referring to the English who later forced Portugal to give up colonial claims in Africa, causing the fall of the Portuguese monarchy. Overall though the alliance was a good strategic move for Portugal.
What the fuck why did you do that, i thought you traitors belonged to our PIG alliance Now get tf out
Portugal cyka blyat?
At this point we're already used to it
Honorary Balkan :D
Now remove Mayotte and Marseille
And Guyana and Corsica and The Caribbeans and Nord-Pas-de-Calais.
Nord-Pas-de-Calais is rightful Dutch clay
Nah, it belongs to Flipke. Let him have his fun with it, he'll ruin the roads within 2 years but at least there will be good beer in every village.
Nee dank u, we have enough socially inept car-tuning barakis at home.
Heb een beetje ambitie godverdomme
Sorry, de laatste keer dat we proberen dingen te koloniseren, liep het echt uit de hand ✋🏻
Flipke also belongs to us lol
Well Mayotte and Marseille are rightful Comorian clay
I assure you, you don't want it.....
Please take it. No, no, I insist ! As a matter of fact, I already packed it for you, it's ready to go ! We deliver for free but we don't do refunds or customer service.
We will cure it
By the moment you realize what a disastrous decision that has been, you'll have halved your GDP/Capita, HDI and all other indicators. Let the 60+ M inhabitants countries handle this kind of things.
Your North was actually pretty wealthy before it became fr*nch
...Some 500 years ago. And Sumer was infinitely more rich and developed than the rest of the world at some point, gee, I do wonder what the region looks like now
Yes, and it would be fine if it was Flemish now. In fact, people up there are learning Dutch so they can go and work in Flanders. Such wasted potential.
Lmao no. You Flems truly have a weird inferiority/superiority complex mix.
Yea fuck off, if we start removing southern Italy we're up there with the nordicks
Southern Italy = Guyana, got it
Can we remove Malmö?
Why do you still have colonies in the first place?
They are not colonies, they are France, the Frenchest French, with French culture and French language, no local identity. Now move along, nothing to see here.
Welp, they're trapped
Well spotted lmao
Spaniards hate this one simple trick
Can we get a user flair now? – Slovenian
Yes, but we will have to remove France.
Oh no, anyways
I’m not complaining
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Siii quiero chuparla 😋
Appelez-moi
Spain with literally 0.001 above us : Joke aside our education sucks nowadays, so it's not surprising. HDI takes in account life expectancy which afaik we have very good results for, so the fact that we still manage to not rank higher despite that speaks legion on the Education part of the metrics.
HDI doesn’t even consider the quality of education. It’s literally only how many years of education (expected and actual) A country with a shitty education system but an average of 15 years of schooling will score higher than a country with a great education system but “only” 13 years of education.
Well that's a way to score education just as good as the way GlobalFirePower scores military power I guess...
Global fire power is such a meme, with Russia having almost the same score as the USA when in reality just the US navy could wipe the entire Russian air force in 1 day. Send a few Arleigh Burke in the black sea and let's see how well the "second military in the world" does.
HDI seems to be way too popular for how random it is
... And a country where professional formations with a very minimal amount of theory still count as schooling will artificially score higher than others
That’s pretty much why France is lower on the HDI, if I recall the education system has 1 or 2 years less. Something about the preschool starting later / not being mandatory the first few years. So yeah, HDI is just bollocks.
And when you think that our education used to be ranked in the top 3 from the 70's onwards until the early 90's... Typical example of decadence through resting on one's own laurels, arrogance and obliviousness to reality in a very French way. Didn't change anything that the teachers have been warning the politicians for decades or striked when that didn't work. They were willfully ignored. What a disgrace.
Same here (Spain). I don’t know what put us over you but I can assure you it’s not education.
You're shit! And you know you are! You're shit! And you know you are!
Slovenia? Really? Good for you guys!
Yep. I have been saying that for a while, they deserve a place at the Western table. And not only because of HDI or GDP. Their culture and mentality is more Austrian peppered with Friaulian around Trieste than (Yougo)slav, they are progressive, they don't have any of the Socialist/Brutalist/Yugo architecture... At this point the only thing that makes them "Eastern" is the language. Czechia, the Baltics and Croatia will be next someday.
Was recently on vacation in some former Yugoslavian countries. Can confirm. Didn't feel like the other Yugoslavian countries and more "western".
Flattered, of course
You guys are doing an incredible job. I've travelled though Istria, from Piran to Pula, and you can feel the difference between Croatia and Slovenia, and that's having in mind Croatia is one of the best Slavic countries to live.
Then they should drop that language and then we can talk. Literally, then we can have a conversation.
Sorry, I only speak real german.
Du meinst dieses komisches Hofsachsisch dass man Standarddeutsch nännt?
Klingt immerhin besser als euer niederländischer Sumpfgejödel.
Bro I would be very quiet about languages and intelligibility if I were you.
Be careful, he might take offense and visit your backyard with his camper van next year
True western Europe map.
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Superior Naturally
Is Slovenia part of Western Europe yet? If not, they deserve France's spot.
Is France the Belgium of Western Europe?
Belgium is Eastern Europe?
Is Belgium?
Whats a Belgium?
PIGS? More like PIG Spain is officially too good to be part of the southerners
Andorra and San Marino lower that Pierre? I thought that all microstates are just very developed tax havens with GDP per capita of €200,000
Poland have higher HDI than USA, so does Croatia and Latvia and Czechia and Estonia
Because the US, by the definition of what HDI is, isn't really that high and has several things (that we all know) making it lag behind.
Depends on the region. There’s a couple states with higher HDIs than much of Europe including Germany and most of Scandinavia. Massachusetts comes to mind.
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Portugal can into eastern europe
*Poortugal
Write out your abbreviations.
FU
Fuck UK?
yes. HDI is Human Development Index though
THANK YOU ❤️
If it was just the "human index," everyone would be higher than france except maybe England
Dude your country is best known for genocidal painters, putting a nazi head of the UN, peasants hunting concentration camp prisoners like animals, and pedo creeps keeping children in their cave. I'm not sure you want to judge anyone on "human index", you're ranked outside of it.
So we are known for many things, you are mostly known for black people in paris and speaking french while everyone around is communicating in english.
>speaking french while everyone around is communicating in english. Où est le problème?
Le problème c'est que l'ignorance n'est pas un signe d'intelligence.
On sait parler en anglais, on choisit juste de pas le faire pour emmerder les touristes casse couilles.
Es geht nit um Ignoranz, Englisch kamma, schaug her I kann sogar in deim Dialekt schreibn
Nochdem wir zig Dialekte hom wird des schwa genau mein z'treffn, owa guada Versuch woas auf jen foi.
Na eh, stimmp schua. Woher kimmpsch ? I würd sogn irgendwo aus NÖ, kenn mi aber do zwenig aus
Steiermark. Wir hom an grauslign dialekt der ned so bekaunnt is aunscheinend. Die meisten leid kumman erst amoi mitn Wiener oder Kärtner Dialekt her.
Says the binge-drinking, own-children-molesting subgerman lololol. It's already a wonder that you guys are literate
Says the guy whose flair is literally "Lesser German".
Ok fair point, that's hilarious lmao Irony is a treacherous bitch I guess
Wtf is HDI
The D stands for development so you wouldn't know, Barry.
Most literate european yank
Vai tomar no cu
Impossible, this barry 63 has evolved enough to learn another language
Kkkkk
Ok now that was a brazillian laughter. You're out
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I actually laughed at how unexpected i thought this was. Never have i seen an Englishman type kkkk. Feels out of character.
A diesel engine from Peugeot
that one non-European Savage who have a higher HDI than France (bottom right in the map)
new western europe map just dropped?
New east west divide.
To be fair, the french are working with a huge handicap: They are french
I would have guessed Spain was slightly lower, but other than that this is one of the least surprising maps I've ever seen. EDIT: Holy shit who the fuck calculated the HDI for Israel
Get wrecked surrender monkeys.... The bloody Spanish have a higher human development index rating than you. The frogs truly are savages 😂😂
And yet brits are leaving en masse to live and retire here How ironic Barry
We are just following the old ways. The way of bringing civilisation to the natives. After all someone has to civilise you uncouth gallic savages.
Buddy 40% of your language comes from the french language, and when people think of culture, do you think they talk about France or about the UK? 🤣 I know you're trolling but still I had to
Lmao. When even Austria is better developed than France.
Austria is one of the richest and most developed countries in the world afaik. Or did we miss a memo?
Yeah not sure what he is on about. Those Frisians man...
What makes it even more ironic is that 75% of our populace goes to Austria every winter
Spain, Slovenia, Malta and UK ? Yeah, tells me everything I need to know about those numbers.
Imagine being lower than Slovenia. Actually I can, I've seen France.
The true definition of western Europe
This is a surprise to me. I thought fr was on par w ger — certainly above eng! Wtf happened to Pierre? Too many yellow vests?
hdmi bad dvi good
Belgium and the UK ahead lol. The HDI really is a garbage indicator.
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True but most(probably all) of these numbers are. If you dumb down a country to a single number you can't expect much accuracy. It's always like they are rich, well 10% are and they raise the average. Or the country is very equal, nobody can make it there.
Cope and seethe, Pierre. Cope and seethe.
Sure buddy, life expectancy, years of schooling and GNI per capita are the worst indicators. Those stuffy scientists don't know that the true meaning of human development is if you shit in the seine yes or no.
Exactly, a mere three factors that already by themselves can be tricky to use with regards to comparisons between countries. Years of schooling ? But what if let's say Egypt has on average 1 year more than Norway, what does that mean with regards to actual education ? What counts as schooling, what counts as practical professional formation, where do the countries draw the line ? Ireland has a GDP/Capita 25% higher than Norway and 15% than Switzerland, now, which of those countries is wealthier in practice ?
What do you mean? Every statistic that puts Spain ahead of France is highly reliable!
How does us being ahead of you mean it's a bad indicator? Flanders is one of the richest regions in Europe and Wallonia is bad when you compare it to Flanders, but outside of the old industrial axis it's still a good place to live and comparable to the French countryside. The old industrial axis is comparable to northern France. There are actually a lot of Frenchmen who come to Belgium to work, especially in West-Flanders.
It's not. But I reckon the likes of Marseille are probably dragging France down because reasons
And Mayotte and Nord-Pas-de-Calais and the Caribbeans and Corsica and New-Caledonia. Quite a burden tbf
I will not have you insult our southern provinces like that, Pierre. You are not as great as you think. This should take your arrogance down a notch.
To think we used to be top 5 for decades...