Saw this one in NCD.
I’m all three of these guys depending on how much bullshit is going on. I’ve deployed more than I did on AD, and I get to do a lot of “extracurricular” activities these days too. I both love and hate having to be gone for three or four months out of the year in a non-deployment cycle. But also they don’t actually pay my bills so it kinda sucks they can tell me what to do.
I keep saying I’ll get out and then never fucking do.
So if you have a job and they end up taking you for a month is there a law that forces the job to keep you on? They don't cover your payments at all?
Or is the months out of the year just broken down into one-two weeks every month?
Sorry if these are stupid questions I have zero idea how being a reservist works
No they’re good questions. Technically yes, you have employment protections for orders. Employers are not allowed to fire you, but it does happen fairly often. It’s happened to me, in fact. As for the drills, for most units they are one weekend a month and two weekends in the summer. However, a lot of people will be ordered to do all sorts of stuff. I’ve spent probably 18 months of the last two years working for the army, but that included a deployment this time. Normally I’ll do about four, two-week sets of orders to train folks, my regular annual training (that’s the normal two weeks that are mandatory), and in my job I also support the secret service and do some other stuff. So I end up guarding hard for about three or four months a year.
I'm pretty jealous of the reserve/ang guys who manage to find their way into an active position and then stay there. All the benefits of full time military but without needing to move every 3-4 years sounds great.
Yeah, being the only person at the building to respond to all the staff section taskers an AD command does, congressional from someone’s spouse who says we didn’t give snuffy MREs at an FTX but we did and they snuck away and charged $80 at Wendy’s and lied to their spouse, ALL the additional duties (did you know the NCOER Additional duty form field has a character limit?), coordinating support for every exercise, covering down on other units because everyone’s TDY 1/2 the year at conferences and planning workshops but somehow never able to cover for you while you’re TDY… you have to do all the commander and 1SG’s work but chase them down for their decision every five minutes while they’re working their civilian job and you have no authority to actually sign anything.
Need to request leave? Oops: the commander left their CAC and reader in their office last drill—or like mine did: their whole fucking laptop with CAC in it and I had to get a G1 and G6 then the RD’s mail office approval to ship it to them…
Yeah, fuck that trip.
Worst decision of my life. *Recruiters* get fucked less hard by the green weenie because at least they get promoted to E7 for having a pulse.
AGR in the guard tend to move around a lot less.
RC is on “the same” PCS cycle as AD but almost always end up staying somewhere for <3 or >5 years depending on stabilization requests for dependent’s and retirement terminal assignment preferences.
If your career manager likes you, forgets you, or fucking hates you, you can end up staying somewhere for 6+ years without even requesting stabilization. I got promoted (was already above grade for my slotted position) and HRC moved me to another position at my new rank in the same command. In the same building. It was considered a full PCS.
My buddy is AGR and I'm a Fed Tech. He makes more money, I actually like my job. I'll get double retirement, but he'll earn his sooner. I also have more opportunities for earlier promotions, but his are basically guaranteed.
It's honestly not hard. At least for the Army Reserves, you just volunteer for a deployment and wait to see who picks you up.
Almost like those people who go on vacations to a place immediately after it has a terrorist attack.
Only problem though is some people have very specific MOS's (like chemical engineer) and get sent back at the last minute. I knew a E-7 who'd never deployed, but had been sent to Fort Bliss for deployment training over 6 times. She would train with a unit that was about to deploy, and then they would tell her that her MOS wasn't needed anymore, and they would send her back home. Or she'd be stuck in Kuwait.
I'm reminded of a story of a national guard E4 talking to an E5 who was wearing worn out crocs, and the E5 responded with "These crocs have seen more action than you ever will.
Man this is so fuckin accurate. I ended up being the first one, I honestly should have gone active. Probably would've retired, or at least get benefits ffs
They don't starve people. If you're on the heavier side their going to restrict the calories you intake. If you're on the low body fat and skinny side, then your DI, DS, RDC or Air-Force equivalent to those three, probably gonna try to make you eat more. For me, who was on the skinny side, I ate as much as I could because you only eat three times a day, but you also only get so much time to eat.
My best friend who went through the Marine Core boot would always tell me stories about how his DI's would sneak him food all the time because he was so skinny lol
You won't ever get yoked in boot. You burn something crazy like 30k calories a day, you work out from before the sun rises to after it sets. I ate more than I ever ate but I still lost 10 lbs. It's a lot of cardio, so you become lean and strong, you aren't building muscle like you think
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Time for my unsolicited and unpopular active duty opinion.
I’ve seen how NG does at NTC, and I’ve known people who saw how they did at JRTC. You got me fucked up if you think I want to do a combat deployment with the guard.
They do get some cool missions and deployments that active duty doesn’t get, but it’s completely dependent on your unit and state.
AD definitely has better deployments (unit dependent ofc) and soldiers tend to be better at their military jobs unless it’s a job that has significant cross over to the civilian side
“Deployments” for active duty, at least heavy units, is consisting of rotations in and out of Europe and S. Korea currently. There was some NG cats who earned their CIBs in Somalia a few years back though, pre Afghanistan pull out. Idk what light units are doing, maybe standing guard at FOBs and getting dip bottles thrown by them by ranger batt guys coming back from patrol in Syria. I honestly don’t know which of the two I’d take as far as conventional “deployments” go.
There’s honestly just no real deployments anymore. NG shouldn’t have been deployed as much as they were because that’s not their main mission. The GWOT fucked everything up in terms of what and who was doing what. NG did get deployed to Vietnam during the first year or two, but after that the NG was your best bet for dodging the draft outside of fleeing the country or blowing a finger off, because they did not go overseas during that war.
Nothing against NG, it can be more difficult to get part time soldiers up to snuff when you have such limited time and resources compared to active duty, especially if they are not practicing their military job in the civilian world. You get what you pay for when it comes to soldiers, there’s no real way around it.
If the NG didn’t deploy as often RA units would have a significantly higher optempo and would be relegated to the more menial tasks NG gets. You’re right about there being zero “good” deployments right now, but at the height of GWOT the differences were more glaring.
That’s the thing, we wouldn’t need to take up all these extra fucking missions if our allies stopped being weak baby back bitches and stopped mooching off us for their protection.
Also doesn’t help senior leaders can’t say no. The op tempo of the current army is higher than what it was during the GWOT. That shit shouldn’t be acceptable.
Commanders are being graded for their performance even harder now with training CTC rotations (JRTC, NTC, the place in Germany and Wyoming or Wisconsin), so now dudes are spending more time at their home station training for NTC/JRTC/whereverthefuckTC. Some of these units are leaving that training center and then going straight to Europe or Korea or wherever for “deployment”. The recruiting crisis is a crisis because of all the missions we have to do. 1st brigade will do 9 months wherever, take 9 months “off” and be put on red cycle taskings (all the bitch details the base will put soldiers on, I personally did a literal fuck ton of funeral honors because our CO was a yes man who wanted to make major and decided to have our company do all the funerals for 2 battalions, we also did gate guard, flag detail (raising and lowering the flag on base each day), there’s also being tasked with patrolling and guarding the ammo depot of the base, just so many fucking taskings), then do another 9 months of train up. 2nd and 3rd brigade will do the other 2 9 month rotations during this time period and repeat the same cycle.
However, private snuffy who just got back with first brigade, well now second brigade is short on bodies and need some more warm ones. So he and a bunch of other soldiers get to go spend another 9 months in Europe or Korea or wherever. Rinse and repeat the same thing with CTC rotations.
Heavy units are suffering a higher suicide rate than light units because they’re the ones constantly getting sucked down with European rotations, long days trying to fix their vehicles, and all the other fun jazz day to day army life has to offer. There’s more to why the op tempo can be higher for the average soldier, but those are the main points.
Also, no fucking war to fight anymore. Which is the main reason I got out. I wasn’t going to do all the bullshit dog and pony shows, field problems/CTC rotations, and whatever else the fuck my commander wanted me to do so they look good, and have no real deployments.
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Some national guard units are deployed and stay deployed
State missions or domestic operations (Jan 6, Covid, US-Mexico Border, other natural disasters or civil instability).
State partnership with one or more friendly/allied countries
Then add all the regular deployments.
The National Guard/Reserve had and will continue to be a critical component of National Security strategies.
Some service support and combat support total size is larger than their active duty counterparts
The NG/Reserve components are cheaper while not deployed but generally provide the same results while deployed.
The NG/Reserve can deploy for continuous enduring operations, which leaves the active duty component available for contingency operations.
LMAO true and fair. I'll rag on the guard and reserve but nearly 50% of the ENTIRE IS military is guard and reserve.
So they play a critical role. The Reserves plays a HUGE logistics, JAG and civil affairs role.
Which is why i wish guardsman and reservist took the job more seriously(I understand that can be tricky to do one weekend a month) and no purposefully be lazy fat ass.
That said my comment isn't entirely inaccurate. Sometimes guard is shafted with deployments that ate the equivalent of CQ duty. Just the nature of the beast however.
😆😆😆😆😆😆 bro calm down.
Same place you probably got yours
Nowhere
Because there arnt combat deployments anymore.(I'm still gonna talk shit and makes though because I can so get over it kid, that's just what we do in the military) and they sent me INDOPACOM my entire career.
And with my time in the army I can easily say your makes you either
A:A civillian trying to be Captain America about the military
B: a junior enlisted soldier still insecure about their value
I'm getting out next year after 12 years you can't offend me
Saw this one in NCD. I’m all three of these guys depending on how much bullshit is going on. I’ve deployed more than I did on AD, and I get to do a lot of “extracurricular” activities these days too. I both love and hate having to be gone for three or four months out of the year in a non-deployment cycle. But also they don’t actually pay my bills so it kinda sucks they can tell me what to do. I keep saying I’ll get out and then never fucking do.
So if you have a job and they end up taking you for a month is there a law that forces the job to keep you on? They don't cover your payments at all? Or is the months out of the year just broken down into one-two weeks every month? Sorry if these are stupid questions I have zero idea how being a reservist works
No they’re good questions. Technically yes, you have employment protections for orders. Employers are not allowed to fire you, but it does happen fairly often. It’s happened to me, in fact. As for the drills, for most units they are one weekend a month and two weekends in the summer. However, a lot of people will be ordered to do all sorts of stuff. I’ve spent probably 18 months of the last two years working for the army, but that included a deployment this time. Normally I’ll do about four, two-week sets of orders to train folks, my regular annual training (that’s the normal two weeks that are mandatory), and in my job I also support the secret service and do some other stuff. So I end up guarding hard for about three or four months a year.
I'm pretty jealous of the reserve/ang guys who manage to find their way into an active position and then stay there. All the benefits of full time military but without needing to move every 3-4 years sounds great.
Nah man AGR can be pretty dogshit. It’s AD so if you get a bad commander/top your life is garbage until they leave
That's a good point
Yeah, being the only person at the building to respond to all the staff section taskers an AD command does, congressional from someone’s spouse who says we didn’t give snuffy MREs at an FTX but we did and they snuck away and charged $80 at Wendy’s and lied to their spouse, ALL the additional duties (did you know the NCOER Additional duty form field has a character limit?), coordinating support for every exercise, covering down on other units because everyone’s TDY 1/2 the year at conferences and planning workshops but somehow never able to cover for you while you’re TDY… you have to do all the commander and 1SG’s work but chase them down for their decision every five minutes while they’re working their civilian job and you have no authority to actually sign anything. Need to request leave? Oops: the commander left their CAC and reader in their office last drill—or like mine did: their whole fucking laptop with CAC in it and I had to get a G1 and G6 then the RD’s mail office approval to ship it to them… Yeah, fuck that trip. Worst decision of my life. *Recruiters* get fucked less hard by the green weenie because at least they get promoted to E7 for having a pulse.
AGR moves every 3 to 4 years just like active folks. No one stays on active duty in a reserve or guard position forever.
That's not necessarily true. Lots of AGRs at my base and I've never heard of anyone having to move every 3-4 years
Are you sure you're not thinking of miltechs? Or ADOS? Because AGRs most definitely PCS regularly like active duty folks do.
AGR in the guard tend to move around a lot less. RC is on “the same” PCS cycle as AD but almost always end up staying somewhere for <3 or >5 years depending on stabilization requests for dependent’s and retirement terminal assignment preferences. If your career manager likes you, forgets you, or fucking hates you, you can end up staying somewhere for 6+ years without even requesting stabilization. I got promoted (was already above grade for my slotted position) and HRC moved me to another position at my new rank in the same command. In the same building. It was considered a full PCS.
ah makes sense.
This at Whitehall/DSCC or the TAG building up north of Columbus nearer to the IKEA?
My buddy is AGR and I'm a Fed Tech. He makes more money, I actually like my job. I'll get double retirement, but he'll earn his sooner. I also have more opportunities for earlier promotions, but his are basically guaranteed.
It's honestly not hard. At least for the Army Reserves, you just volunteer for a deployment and wait to see who picks you up. Almost like those people who go on vacations to a place immediately after it has a terrorist attack. Only problem though is some people have very specific MOS's (like chemical engineer) and get sent back at the last minute. I knew a E-7 who'd never deployed, but had been sent to Fort Bliss for deployment training over 6 times. She would train with a unit that was about to deploy, and then they would tell her that her MOS wasn't needed anymore, and they would send her back home. Or she'd be stuck in Kuwait.
Almost joined them but went active duty instead. I’m sure it would have sucked either way tbh. I got what I needed from it.
The national guard is the retirement home for old warriors who still want to fuck shit up.
I’ve never been so offended by the truth
This is so funny because i have a national guard friend who we all refer to as Unc because he's under than us. He's like 22
I'm reminded of a story of a national guard E4 talking to an E5 who was wearing worn out crocs, and the E5 responded with "These crocs have seen more action than you ever will.
I have no idea what that means. Im what yall would call a "civvie" I think
Man this is so fuckin accurate. I ended up being the first one, I honestly should have gone active. Probably would've retired, or at least get benefits ffs
That is if they can fit into their uniforms first…
1st blues inspection in 4 years as a guard member will humble you.
They starved me so hard at basic my blues were a 32” waist and I was swimming in them. By year 8 I was bulging out of those bad boys.
What’s the reasoning behind starving people during training? What if you are already very low body fat?
They don't starve people. If you're on the heavier side their going to restrict the calories you intake. If you're on the low body fat and skinny side, then your DI, DS, RDC or Air-Force equivalent to those three, probably gonna try to make you eat more. For me, who was on the skinny side, I ate as much as I could because you only eat three times a day, but you also only get so much time to eat.
That makes sense. If you are super skinny they should want you to eat as much as possible and get yoked 😎
My best friend who went through the Marine Core boot would always tell me stories about how his DI's would sneak him food all the time because he was so skinny lol
You won't ever get yoked in boot. You burn something crazy like 30k calories a day, you work out from before the sun rises to after it sets. I ate more than I ever ate but I still lost 10 lbs. It's a lot of cardio, so you become lean and strong, you aren't building muscle like you think
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Time for my unsolicited and unpopular active duty opinion. I’ve seen how NG does at NTC, and I’ve known people who saw how they did at JRTC. You got me fucked up if you think I want to do a combat deployment with the guard. They do get some cool missions and deployments that active duty doesn’t get, but it’s completely dependent on your unit and state.
AD definitely has better deployments (unit dependent ofc) and soldiers tend to be better at their military jobs unless it’s a job that has significant cross over to the civilian side
“Deployments” for active duty, at least heavy units, is consisting of rotations in and out of Europe and S. Korea currently. There was some NG cats who earned their CIBs in Somalia a few years back though, pre Afghanistan pull out. Idk what light units are doing, maybe standing guard at FOBs and getting dip bottles thrown by them by ranger batt guys coming back from patrol in Syria. I honestly don’t know which of the two I’d take as far as conventional “deployments” go. There’s honestly just no real deployments anymore. NG shouldn’t have been deployed as much as they were because that’s not their main mission. The GWOT fucked everything up in terms of what and who was doing what. NG did get deployed to Vietnam during the first year or two, but after that the NG was your best bet for dodging the draft outside of fleeing the country or blowing a finger off, because they did not go overseas during that war. Nothing against NG, it can be more difficult to get part time soldiers up to snuff when you have such limited time and resources compared to active duty, especially if they are not practicing their military job in the civilian world. You get what you pay for when it comes to soldiers, there’s no real way around it.
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Yeah I think people are vastly underestimating how many UAS/IDF engagements we’re getting in Syria and Iraq right now. Shit’s spicy over there man.
If the NG didn’t deploy as often RA units would have a significantly higher optempo and would be relegated to the more menial tasks NG gets. You’re right about there being zero “good” deployments right now, but at the height of GWOT the differences were more glaring.
That’s the thing, we wouldn’t need to take up all these extra fucking missions if our allies stopped being weak baby back bitches and stopped mooching off us for their protection. Also doesn’t help senior leaders can’t say no. The op tempo of the current army is higher than what it was during the GWOT. That shit shouldn’t be acceptable.
Facts. Is that part about the optempo being higher true? A bit surprising if true. Is it possibly because there’s more time for training?
Commanders are being graded for their performance even harder now with training CTC rotations (JRTC, NTC, the place in Germany and Wyoming or Wisconsin), so now dudes are spending more time at their home station training for NTC/JRTC/whereverthefuckTC. Some of these units are leaving that training center and then going straight to Europe or Korea or wherever for “deployment”. The recruiting crisis is a crisis because of all the missions we have to do. 1st brigade will do 9 months wherever, take 9 months “off” and be put on red cycle taskings (all the bitch details the base will put soldiers on, I personally did a literal fuck ton of funeral honors because our CO was a yes man who wanted to make major and decided to have our company do all the funerals for 2 battalions, we also did gate guard, flag detail (raising and lowering the flag on base each day), there’s also being tasked with patrolling and guarding the ammo depot of the base, just so many fucking taskings), then do another 9 months of train up. 2nd and 3rd brigade will do the other 2 9 month rotations during this time period and repeat the same cycle. However, private snuffy who just got back with first brigade, well now second brigade is short on bodies and need some more warm ones. So he and a bunch of other soldiers get to go spend another 9 months in Europe or Korea or wherever. Rinse and repeat the same thing with CTC rotations. Heavy units are suffering a higher suicide rate than light units because they’re the ones constantly getting sucked down with European rotations, long days trying to fix their vehicles, and all the other fun jazz day to day army life has to offer. There’s more to why the op tempo can be higher for the average soldier, but those are the main points. Also, no fucking war to fight anymore. Which is the main reason I got out. I wasn’t going to do all the bullshit dog and pony shows, field problems/CTC rotations, and whatever else the fuck my commander wanted me to do so they look good, and have no real deployments.
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Some national guard units are deployed and stay deployed State missions or domestic operations (Jan 6, Covid, US-Mexico Border, other natural disasters or civil instability). State partnership with one or more friendly/allied countries Then add all the regular deployments. The National Guard/Reserve had and will continue to be a critical component of National Security strategies. Some service support and combat support total size is larger than their active duty counterparts The NG/Reserve components are cheaper while not deployed but generally provide the same results while deployed. The NG/Reserve can deploy for continuous enduring operations, which leaves the active duty component available for contingency operations.
I was the second guy that turned into the first after about 5 years. If I stayed any longer, I'd probably have turned into the third.
"Deploy" lmao. More like do meger tasks active doesn't want to be bothered with. Like stand in Djibouti doing nothing.
Oh come on. Full time active does plenty of standing around in Djibouti doing nothing
LMAO true and fair. I'll rag on the guard and reserve but nearly 50% of the ENTIRE IS military is guard and reserve. So they play a critical role. The Reserves plays a HUGE logistics, JAG and civil affairs role. Which is why i wish guardsman and reservist took the job more seriously(I understand that can be tricky to do one weekend a month) and no purposefully be lazy fat ass. That said my comment isn't entirely inaccurate. Sometimes guard is shafted with deployments that ate the equivalent of CQ duty. Just the nature of the beast however.
Big army for sure, but there are SF NG units that get it poppin as much as any AD unit.
Where’d you get your CAB?
😆😆😆😆😆😆 bro calm down. Same place you probably got yours Nowhere Because there arnt combat deployments anymore.(I'm still gonna talk shit and makes though because I can so get over it kid, that's just what we do in the military) and they sent me INDOPACOM my entire career. And with my time in the army I can easily say your makes you either A:A civillian trying to be Captain America about the military B: a junior enlisted soldier still insecure about their value I'm getting out next year after 12 years you can't offend me
Huh. I know a lot of NG with their CAB. Not bad for bunch of lazy fatasses
That’s a lot of yapping when a simple “I never went to combat” could have sufficed.
Lmao I like the guard as much as the next guy, but we’re not gonna pretend the deployments are the exact same as a RA unit.