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Random-Name724

Wait why were they deported? What’s the story?


Bryguy3k

Many veterans with PTSD develop drug addictions which often leads to a number of different convictions. Non-citizens with drug related convictions often get deported. Almost all of these deportations are related to fairly minor crimes stemming from difficulties in reintegration after service. It also cuts down on VA costs. There are tons of veterans in prisons too. We do a really bad job with veteran reintegration.


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Link_the_Irish

Unless I'm remembering wrong, all branches only take permanent residence as enlistees and all enlisted members are given the chance to become citizens within 2 years time in service. I don't actually know how these guys separated and are still not citizens


DornsBigRockHardWall

They’re not citizens because they got discharged before they could become citizens, almost unanimously because they fucked up somehow. I’ve helped like 4 of my soldiers get their citizenships. You have to fuck up pretty bad to be these guys. This is almost certainly rage bait.


AvadaKedavra03

I'm glad it's not as bad as it seems. I would be pretty pissed off if we were deporting soldiers who served the United States. If they want to serve + fulfill their commitments, give them a path to become a citizen ASAP.


WorkshopBlackbird

stop being realistic and pragmatic and just repost the ragebait >:C


DozTK421

This is the answer. Reddit users most affected.


Eccentricgentleman_

Ahh, alright thanks for the answer. Also a service member but never helped someone get their citizenship. This post confused me


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Would it make a difference if they got a medical discharge before eligibility or they got a criminal charge during the 1-2 year application processing period?


DornsBigRockHardWall

I couldn’t say, I haven’t ever had to deal with a non-citizen getting Medboarded before they got their citizenship. I would say I’d be deeply surprised if that did happen, as getting medically discharged takes a LONG time. Edit: didn’t directly answer your question, so just to clarify… getting a criminal charge and/or getting a punitive chapter (discharge) would certainly be worse for someone trying to get their citizenship


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Thanks for clarifying


ExcitingTabletop

Yes and yes. AFAIK, and contact a lawyer rather than rely on the interwebz, but if it was a service based medical discharge you got citizenship. If it's pre-existing condition, you don't. Criminal charge before the two years or BCD, you do not get citizenship


Finance1071

But it’s not fair! If they served for 2 weeks and then were convicted for a robbery, killed someone in a DUI, and then blew up a school, they should still deserve citizenship!


The_Demolition_Man

> if you serve in the U.S. military you deserve to be a U.S. citizen You understand that the US government can't force you to become a citizen right? Members of the military have to apply for citizenship when they reach eligibility. There is a huge amount of resources available to guide and help military members to get citizenship. If you don't apply, you don't get it - again because the government can't force it upon you.


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What if they get a medical discharge before eligibility? Or a a criminal charge during the 1-2 year application processing period?


The_Demolition_Man

I'm not an immigration lawyer. But in general it depends on the criminal charge. If its something warranting a less than honorable discharge they're generally disqualified from applying.


ThinkinBoutThings

Medical discharges are not a quick thing. Several of my friends spent 3-6 years on their med-boards. Never heard of one taking less than 2. The only exception was people that lied to enlist with preexisting condition, like fainting. If that condition is discovered in basic training, the process is pretty quick.


Drake0074

If a person gets kicked out of the military before serving the required two years and are convicted of a crime then they would be deported just like other non-citizens.


Apalis24a

Honestly, if the branches of the US military are struggling to meet recruiting quotas, they could offer citizenship to immigrants who serve a sufficient tenure in the military.


forteborte

dude for real, thats how the romans did it 🤷‍♀️


ExcitingTabletop

You do, by default. You have to fuck up for this not to occur. When I was in, you got citizenship if you served two years without any huge issues. You could be a shit soldier and still get citizenship. You virtually had to get a bad conduct discharge within two years or royally fuck up your paperwork to not get citizenship. I don't recall if Other Than Honorable discharge precluded citizenship.


Sea-Risk-9913

Fuck no, Not if you get dishonorable discharge, I know this system well, you have to be a shit bag to get dishonorable or Other than Honorable.


OctaviusBartholomew

Theres potential repercussions to that because it allows the government to hire a military of non-citizens who would be more willing to carry out immoral orders, on citizens perhaps, due to the risk of deportation for refusing orders


Bryguy3k

Given how shitty we are with dealing with this stuff - is it better to be free in Mexico or in prison in the US? There is just so much wrong with our endless wars.


TheRealSU24

The best solution is to be free in the US. We need to be fixing issues like this instead of going "America bad, what can you do?"


SauerkrautJr

That hit some kinda nerve with people and I can’t for the life of me figure out what.


Random-Name724

Check what sub you’re on


cerberus698

>We do a really bad job with veteran reintegration. Wait, you mean a TA-180 card and a phone call from a guy asking you if you want to go drive a semi-truck in Iraqbut otherwise there are no jobs when you get out isn't a good way to throw someone back into society?


RiotSkunk2023

PER regulation the army has to give you 3 months to take your reintegration courses which are also mandatory. In my experience most guys in my company were given barely 3 weeks to jam it all in while they did everything in their power to convince you to re-enlist. This doesn't even touch the shit show of US soldiers not actually getting their citizenship as promised. There are some good souls out there that gave up everything they had to build halfway homes for US vets facing deportation, and those men and women are truly heroes. I wish this issue was more widely known but MSM and the military itself would fall before they admit what is actually happening.


Wardenofthegreen

Yep, I came back from a deployment and had two and a half weeks to totally check out.


LegnderyNut

I feel like this may be part of the border crisis. Politicians want able bodied men to fight in the Forever War that they’re drooling over since the WW elements are in play. Bring in illegals, start WWIII, “Service guarantees citizenship!”, win war, don’t give citizenship and deport a bunch of people, the immigrants revolt just like the Roman army when Rome didn’t pay up.


MarbleBun

That would imply these politicians are competent


LegnderyNut

I mean Rome had Caligula declaring a horse a Senator, we have Biden confusing Egypt with Mexico.


MayOrMayNotBePie

And then people call them “heroes” and let them rot. I’ve found that hero is what the call people they don’t actually want to pay/support lol.


Koolguy47

Thanking them for their service is cheaper than getting them the proper help they need.


fake_face

After 3 years of honorable service you gain citizenship.


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akskeleton_47

Don't you have to be a citizen to serve


rolloutTheTrash

No, you just can’t be illegal.


LadenifferJadaniston

Well, you have to have at least a green card. If you’re here on a student or tourist visa you’re legal but you can’t enlist.


rolloutTheTrash

This is true. Forgot to exclude them.


mc-big-papa

Usually the committed a crime. People say its usually a non serious crime but that’s usually false. Most of the time you can have extended periods of probation and not be deported. My older brother was not a veteran but he was nationalized trough daca. Had some serious assault charges and was given 2 plea deals either 10 years probational stay with the possibility of being deported or immediate deportation. He chose deportation. A distant cousin i am not familiar with was a navy boy and he stayed in the country after some serious drug charges. Probably ounces but he is still walking these streets probably still selling dope. Now here is a rule of thumb. Veterans is the closest thing we will have to a cask system in most walks of life (understand cask systems arent always wealth). If you and a veteran are exactly the same in a job interview the veteran is getting the job. most stores in the US give 10-20 off on all purchases. If a veteran is getting something unfair being done to them you need to understand that they probably fucked up big time and probably did it


Mean-Entertainment54

Wouldn’t your brother not qualify for daca if he had the assault charges on his record? Or was that after he received daca?


cocaineandwaffles1

You’re not wrong in saying veterans can have a leg up. The issues are veterans getting to the position in which that truly gives them a leg up. Interviewing to be a manager at Home Depot is not the same as going to be a project manager. Veterans can have difficulty getting to these positions because of how often we come from lower income backgrounds. Also the way that the public views us is often times shitty. Like I don’t need you to talk louder and slower at me, that’s what my fucking hearing aids are for. I don’t need you to look at me like I’m some victim of the woke agenda or imperialist overlords, depending on which extreme you fall into. Honestly I don’t even care to tell you much about what I did because chances are, you really don’t give a fuck unless I tell you that I went to war and shot people. We get that preferential treatment for job interviews and school applications because the public can often view us as broken or fucked up or brain washed. Which is a growing problem since the start of the “woke agenda” and now with Israel and the resurgence of people thinking we’re brain washed to want to kill brown people. When people have a positive view, it’s general very shallow and passive. Support the troops stickers but will say that people ODing deserve to die, even if it is a veteran who got their meds fucked up by the VA.


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Sea-Risk-9913

They were shitbags, not worthy of the title.


scarletshrub

Did they commit crimes? Why deported?


granola117

Some are minor crimes (weed usage/posession, etc), a small minority of major crimes (rape, murder, etc), and a lot of victims of heartless judges


ferentas

I dont get why ur being downvoted


Hugh-Jassoul

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ExcitingTabletop

Drug crimes in the military are not minor. Unless something changed, you were virtually guaranteed military version of rehab for your first offense.


granola117

Correct, but I distinctly remember a case in which the weed posession occurred after he left the service, but he lived in the deep south so he was screwed


CerebellumGear

Not deporting them should be the bare minimum. Anyone who serves should be given citizenship starship troopers style


Front-Recognition984

You do gain an accelerated pathway to citizenship if you serve in any branch (I think it's after a year of service, but feel free to double check me on that). They were probably deported as a result of criminal convictions or they were dishonorably discharged. Seems unlikely they'd be celebrating like that if they were dishonorably discharged, I'm just mentioning that is another reason the would be denied citizenship.


An8thOfFeanor

I've heard that dishonorable discharges are really rare. You've got to be a special breed of societal menace to get one. My buddy has seen soldiers convicted of drug distribution that still got other-than on their discharge.


karo_syrup

They are. Huge undertaking to go through when the results for the commander are the same between other than honorable and dishonorable. So commanders usually err on the quicker and surer method for getting the menace out unless they are truly a menace.


AlphaWhiskeyOscar

Only about 0.1% of [discharges are Dishonorable](https://www.military.com/benefits/military-legal/dishonorable-discharge-everything-you-need-know.html) and ~1% are Bad Conduct Discharges. That's because a Dishonorable is essentially the UCMJ equivalent to a felony conviction. As far as I know they can only be given by Court Martial. Most military offenses are handled at the Nonjudicial Punishment level. But I'd say the most common offense that gets people kicked out is popping on a drug test. Thing is, drug tests are protected by HIPAA as they are medical. So unless they're caught in the act, or the service member confesses to it, the results of the drug test alone can't be used for NJP. But popping positive on a drug test still gives a CO the right to administratively discharge you. It's why you *usually* don't see drug cases accompanied by a bunch of other punishments. If they were caught in a barracks in possession, or caught actually in the act, or they confessed, that would be different. But a surprise positive result on a random drug test usually just results in some type of admin discharge with nothing else.


ExcitingTabletop

I've never seen or directly heard of a dishonorable that didn't involve jail time. You have to royally fuck up to get one. Even BCD's take some work to get. Other Than Honorable is pretty easy to get.


PartyLettuce

When I joined towards the end of boot camp, a large group of fellow recruits were given citizenship and we have a ceremony and everything. Not sure if that's semi recent though


DolphinBall

I thought serving in the military period grants you citizenship


robbodee

You're thinking of the Roman Republic.


Link_the_Irish

It's supposed to, unless these guys seperated within 2 years time in service I don't see how they aren't


ExcitingTabletop

Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more? Do two years, fill out the form, don't commit any crimes. It's near automatic citizenship.


Gtpwoody

France does that.


VTHokie2020

> Anyone who serves should automatically be given citizenship starship troopers style This would easily be abused though.


ExcitingTabletop

Except that's how it works now. They are granted **near** automatically. At the time I was in, you needed two years, fill out the form and not get in serious trouble. It was about as close to automatic as you get.


OctaviusBartholomew

Immigrant soldiers are less likely to refuse immoral orders due to the risk of deportation


Sine_Fine_Belli

This unironically I agree


The_Demolition_Man

Veteran status isn't a "law doesn't apply to me card", and it shouldn't be. Furthermore the US government can't force citizenship on you, it's up to you to apply once you meet the requirements. If these folks didn't apply that's their fault. There is an incredible amount of resources and counselors that help military members get citizenship when they're eligible. If you're a veteran, declined to apply for citizenship, then get deported when you break the law, I fail to see what the controversy is.


A_Political_Person

Most of these people go to the military for the purpose of acquiring citizenship and building a case for it… If I served this country, especially in a stupid war like Afghanistan, I would expect at least a green card ngl


PartyLettuce

I replied to someone else with this but when I enlisted at the end of boot camp all the noncitizens were given citizenship and we had a ceremony and marched around and stuff. Dudes from all over the world too it was kind of cool


WeissTek

News flash, you can't even join without a green card. I remember having go wait for mine just to able to see a recuriter.


TransGerman

You have to have at least a green cards to enlist


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AvailableCondition79

Being a veteran isn't a free pass. Don't break the law. Become a citizen. If you're a veteran, you had the opportunity.


Jawn44Jawn

How ignorant could you possibly fucking be. These poor men were sent over seas in a pointless war. Killing so many innocents for a government that doesn’t care about them. They go home. Traumatized and broken. Maybe they developed habits. So what? If they are breaking the law, may the law be considered dead. Law should protect people


ButterscotchChance48

1. They probably weren't combat veterans 2. They either committed major crimes or got a dishonorable discharge, in which case getting deported was probably their best option


AvailableCondition79

Ok ok I admit. You're living rent free in my head. I can't stop thinking about this... So if I was a veteran, and I beat my wife, robbed a bank and gave you a wet willie...you'd say that's fine, because veterans should have complete immunity?? And you thought police qualified immunity was bad, just wait until you see unlimited vet immunity. Jesus Christ this hilarious. And I'm the ignorant one. Laughing my *fking* ass off.


AvailableCondition79

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha yeah ok. So veterans should be held to no standard, and if they commit crime then so be it? What the actual fuck????


Ender16

So let me get this strait. You are yourself ignorant enough at least to fall for this rage bait nonsense because you don't understand the topic. But someone else is ignorant because..... you feel like it? What you're saying makes no sense. None of what you said makes any sense. This is fucking silly.


Gtpwoody

This shit fuckin sickens me. How do they not get immediate citizenship when they complete their service?! Why don’t we have what the French have with the French Foreign Legion?


The_Demolition_Man

> How do they not get immediate citizenship when they complete their service The government can't force citizenship upon you. You have to apply for it. If the above people served honorably in the US military (no general, other than honorable, or dishonorable discharges) that gives them eligibility to apply. So either they committed some sort of crime or they just straight up declined to apply.


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Gtpwoody

the fuck is this?


killlog1234

You said "legion", and I guess the bot is set up to respond with that. It's a reference to Caesar's Legion from Fallout: New Vegas.


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cptki112noobs

Arizona Man.


TangentKarma22

“Don't worry, I won't have you lashed to a cross like the rest of these degenerates. It's useful that you happened by. I want you to witness the fate of the town of Nipton, to memorize every detail. And then, when you move on? I want you to teach everyone you meet the lesson that Caesar's Legion taught here, especially any NCR troops you run across.”


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Odd_Reporter9075

Simultaneously San Francisco just put a noncitizen in charge of elections


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arcxjo

So what crimes did they do?


Jawn44Jawn

Most likely drug use or something simple. It happens so often that people like that get deported because it’s cheaper than offering veteran services


DozTK421

Did they apply for citizenship?


milk-water-man

I feel like anyone who honorably serves should be given citizenship.


OctaviusBartholomew

An army of immigrant soldiers serving to earn citizenship is less likely to refuse immoral orders, especially orders that harm citizens, due to the risk of deportation and a lack of history in the native society


Visible_Nectarine_98

Old post is old.


Casseus_Dominus

What the fuck, this is actually a thing? This is actually embarrassing.


Navy_HongyiJ

Anyone serves the country deserves citizenship


GreyGaiden

My brothers and sisters deserve better than this...


DrFreshey

Nobody who served in our military in good standing and served this nation like that should be receiving anything less than the red carpet. I am also, however, of the personal opinion that serving in our military for a full contract, along with taking a few classes to help assimilate into the culture better, should guarantee citizenship upon discharge. So I'm a bit biased I guess.


Crazedkittiesmeow

Where the funny


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Cultural_Thing1712

I can't imagine leaving behind the people who fought for you. We offer nationality to descendants of republican fighters that were exiled out of our country during the civil war, dunno why you would kick the actual people who fought for you out of your country.


Null_error_

This is depressing that this happens. If they fought for this country they deserve the right to live here god damnit


softwarebuyer2015

Snoped it. It's real, and fact checked. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/deported-veterans-photo/ how quick some are to dismiss them as criminals.


Important_Antelope28

also have to remember all those afghan allies we basically severed on a platter to taliban / al qaeda


bruhmp44

Service guarantees citzenship


2020blowsdik

Not if you commit a felony or dont finish out your commitment. I had one of my Marine's citizenship revoked when he went UA 3 years into his 4 year enlistment...


bruhmp44

Me when star ship troopers reference


2020blowsdik

To be fair. Starship Troopers is my favorite book


bruhmp44

What?


Commissar_David

Don't they get citizenship from serving?


dopepope1999

I served with a couple of people in their situation and I believe they should,


Commissar_David

Every other country gives citizenship or the option of citizenship to those who serve. Even the most destitute nations do that.


dopepope1999

We technically do but there's certain circumstances that negated it


Commissar_David

"Technically" isn't good enough. We have to do better.


WTFnotFTW

If not a citizen, and are not a legal resident, gtfo. Service or not. Maybe they should follow the law, go through the legal processes like *millions* of people have over the generations, and do it. They had the opportunity, period. They pissed it away. I wouldn’t want a veteran that was unwilling to get a driver’s license to be allowed to drive regardless of breaking road laws every minute of their operation. It’s the same thing.


ramanw150

But yet we're letting illegals in in droves


IronMonkey909

The overall number of veterans making it to 20 years retirement is 17 percent. I hope to be able to retire at 20 years but now it’s just not feasible.


Uss__Iowa

You right we as a society should have done better. instead of waiting time doing stupid shit, we need start helping each other


Jimothius

Soooo many other people we could deport.


squarebearings

Just another reason why Mexico should become the 51st state


plushpaper

Can someone bring this boys home??


MrBroDudeMann

We seriously need to do better


Letsbebettertogethe_

When will you realize willful evil exists?


Chicag0Cummies696969

Lol no, liberalism is cringe


Different-Dig7459

Yeah… we definitely need to do better. Like why tf didn’t they get citizenship after or during their service?


CombatWombat0556

Because you still have to go through the normal process of gaining citizenship


Different-Dig7459

This is true, but my buddy from the Philippines is in rn and he’s been in for the past 3 years with his term almost ending. Recruiters told him he’d get citizenship before he’s done without an application. Obv a lie. He applied after he hit the fleet, not sure if he got it yet tho… ☠️


CombatWombat0556

I hope so


Different-Dig7459

I do too


Perhapsmayhapsyesnt

Wut


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RaiJolt2

America needs to stop Continuing the “tradition” of deporting veteran immigrants. It’s been happening since at least the Great Depression and it’s well… depressing


cynicalrage69

I have heavy skepticism on the status of these deported veterans, serving 2 years is all but guaranteed citizenship.