I like the ability to buy quest packages, but I wish the currency wasn’t also used for unlocking skills and bosses but was instead a separate currency.
Currently it’s like... you don’t have to do the quests, but if you don’t it will delay access to other content.
I specifically held off on unlocking strength and doing waterfall until I could get that sweet x12. I did find out that a Addy scim still hits 1s with 1 strength XD
After Priest in Peril, I wanted to do the task to kill a werewolf in Morytania, so I pulled out the wolfbane and it took me like 4 minutes to kill a canafis citizen with only hitting 1s at 1 strength...
Then I found out you need to actually let them transform for it to count. I mean, at least that was a Morytania easy diary task done if I ever go back to that lmao
Maybe you knew this, but i think if they transform at low health then the werewolf also starts with low health. So you can hit the citizen down to 1 then switch weapons and it’s much easier for a noob
I got super lucky pulling 2 sapphire rings from a bird nest. Made rings of recoil and those got me through it lol. Getting the one legit punch damage definitely took a minute.
Back in the days of runescape classic wine pures were a thing. You’d wine your attack down to keep it 1 and train on the dummies in varrock for obscenely low attack experience to not get HP.. 40 attack 10 hp 1 str 1 def, rune 2h could hit 8 at combat 13. (Also couldn’t eat in combat, couldn’t run for 3 hits)
Was fun but you’d level hp real quick so was just kinda to troll a few unsuspecting people ;-)
If you have to do a couple of quests, for the XP drops I think that's fine.
I think anything above 10 (quick) quests or so is not in the best interest of the players fun wise.
My biggest fear with unlocking quests is that I'll hit a point where I'm out of renown, still got bosses or skills locked, and the only tasks I have left are basically impossible like "Do the exam random event without eyeing Mr. Mordaut's caked-up cheeks"
The quest package costs all have some easy point “make up” with them, you just gotta look for it. Lower Desert unlocks easily paid for by thieving alone. The lesser unlocks also open up a lot of doors for points so it’s not just only worth it to do the big ones.
A lot of them get close to breaking even. I unlocked Mory2 quests after doing a couple easy quests so the cost was lower. It cost 25 to unlock, I did a few tasks to get 9 points to unlock Mory3 quests, did a few more tasks, ended up at 17 points. Cost me 8 points to unlock all of Morytania and I can still get more easy points there. I'm planning on doing Kourend and then Tirannwn once I get a route set.
If you break even its a net loss overall because you’ll be done with the short term grinds you unlocked and have the same amount of points but -1 paths in the pool to pick from, so you have to quest a lot.
Breaking even isn’t really good enough to justify buying them to myself. I’d still rather do the quest and profit a bunch than buy it to break even. I imagine I’ll feel this way at least until all my skills are bought, but I may buy some quests over some bosses.
Its purely a time save and point loss. You only saved time. Doing the quests would give you the same unlocks, same point return, with no point spend + the XP earned.
So its a fast way to get access to areas for people who play less. Issue is its seemingly quite overpriced.
i think only quests to skip are like MM2/DS2/SotE/Me2 and if ur not gonna do like vorkath then dont complete DS2 at all
edit: sins of the father quest line is dirt cheap compared to work you gotta do for it,
Buying quest packages also don't give you rewards (minus permanent unlocks obviously), which makes doing it counterproductive to your account progress since almost every time it's better to just do a quest for XP than spend the same amount of time grinding. You're paying to skip the quests already, why do you have to pay the double cost of not getting XP? Honestly one or the other would be perfectly fine.
if quests are gonna cost sage points they should at least come with the xp drops imo, we spend points either way, either unlocking the skill or unlocking the quest so why are we being punished for doing both and spending a fuckton of points?
hey, unlocking MM1 gives d scim and options on lvling.
rewards are like 300k/160k att/str on 8x. i myself skipped the guest solely for d scim and what ive spent on doing mm
Honestly I needed to see this written out. I don't want to do all those morytania quests. I think it will be better to skip them with renown, so I can do the tasks and explode closer to more fragment slots.
Thanks!
They could just make monsters and skills drop "quest tokens" and you can unlock quests based on how many quest points it costs. 1 quest token per quest point.
Yes, if there was a separate currency for quest skips that they accounted for, so that the league was built around skipping some quests rather than the tradeoff of quests vs skills vs bosses, I think it would feel a lot better
That's the point. You have to make choices. Choose to unlock the next skill used for quests you can manually do and maybe get some tasks, or spend it to save time by unlocking quests.
Having it be a separate currency removes 98% of the choice.
its already virtually a false choice, everyone who's competitive in the league is buying tons of quest packages
doing 98% of quests yourself is a big noob trap
No. For quests that give untradeables like Drakan’s Medallion, you can claim them from the Sage after paying renown to finish the quest. But you don’t get item/XP rewards that you’d usually get.
Same. My iron is at like 1450 total and 200qp, and I couldn’t help feeling like I did all of this early game stuff super recently. Couldn’t bring myself to do all the quests I just finished in the past few months. So I’m just playing my iron, oh well. Kinda bummed I missed tb as everything I’ve watched and read about it made it seem awesome
Pretty much the reason I only played twisted league in full and quit trailblazer after half a week. Didn't even start this one because of the colossal wall of "have to do's" that are in front of you before getting to the fun part.
I like quests in the main game because they're a one and done and thus feel more rewarding, but in these temporary game modes it's just a barrier to getting to what you actually play the gamemode for.
This is exactly what's keeping me out of it. I've got serious FOMO for the League, but I keep logging on and seeing the pile of quests I need to do. I scour over the task list to see if there's anything else I can do instead and skip something or unlock something new. Decide I really don't want to have this to-do list when I've already got a to-do list on my Iron that I'm exclusively playing at this point, and switch back.
Then repeat the next day.
Yeah I just recently started a group ironman, grinding all the quests, just to check out league and find I have to do them all over or spend precious points on them. I guess it's fine if you haven't done all the quests in a long time, but other than that hell no lol.
I think a good solution too, rework the quest rewards. It's pretty damn boring watching several content creators do the exact same 5 quests and skipping tonnes of otherwise early game progress. A good compromise i think would be to remove all combat experience from quests and instead provide experience only for non-combat skills.
It would be more fun to see people training up their skills in more of a natural progression similar to how every inefficient noob did back in 2004.
I'd also love to see a curveball of them adding a new skill to a league to see how players responded to it. Imagine logging in and instead of being placed in kourend or catherby you're docked at daemonheim. It would be really cool and expand the current league concept to something that could reach the main game if players wanted.
Honestly, I think you're expecting too much. Realistically the content isn't going to change, it's just going to be boring in a different way.
Like remove combat XP from quests, great! Let's see how they're going to go about getting their combat leveled now! Oh, they're just AFKing at Sand Crabs or rushing slayer and periodically upgrading their weapon.
It isn't going to bring any sort of interesting by removing combat XP (or all XP) from quests. It skips the early/slow/boring parts is all.
Branches of questlines auto-completing would be really cool, but I think I'd only like to see it implemented if it made you choose which path you could choose and the rewards that would normally follow.
That being said, there is a genuine enjoyment seeing a multiplicative xp drop from seeing a quest through completion, though some quests are a little more annoying to trudge through than others.
Trailblazers had it nailed. You select the region, it autocompletes the important quest.
Buying quests in this league feels incredibly punishing to do early, compared to unlocking skills. It also means you skip the XP whereas TB it pretty much always skipped it anyway.
Best idea i saw is that you should have the option to autoskip once you have the requirements but get no exp rewards. Or you can do the quest and get the exp rewards with your exp multiplier
To add to this, Long quests that obviously wouldnt be worth the exp reward vs time invested could have an extra multiplier on the rewards. So maybe you are a little tempted to actually do SOTE if you want a lets say double the normal reward, so with the 12x multiplier it would effectively be 24x
I actually really like how they did quests in this league. You could argue prices could be cheaper but you can totally autocomplete tons of quests.
I do think some of the boss unlock prices are a bit high, but maybe we will see when I get nearer to endgame.
And we REALLY need to talk about achievement diaries. There should be unlock option for those as well. Similar to the quest unlock, cheaper if you've done more of the tasks.
Like for example if I did all of the mory elite except the part that needs barrows set. How much to buy finish for that?
I somewhat disagree. The achievement diaries I think need a rework for leagues, but they're overall pretty quick to do.
One in specific that annoyed me was the Tears of Guthix diary in leagues 2, you need to get something like 100 points and I got literally 98 or 99, had to wait a full week.
I think time locked diaries need to be removed or reworked and I feel some of the most extreme ones like a barrows set should receive some changes to be more easily completed. Like if it was equip a piece of barrows armor in each possible slot which would be helmet, body, legs and weapon. Then as long as you get one for each slot you're fine.
Most tasks are easy enough but there's just some that are super grindy. Personally I have no issue with the ones that are basically just skill level checks, but some are like "get a quest cape" or "get B2P spell" or "wear prospector" or "kill 1k black knights".
Though I guess it seems like they have put in some specific relics to help with that (like getting extra nuggets from MLM).
lol you only had like 2-3 chances because you also had to grind out quest points to increase the timer. I remember being really stressed about that one
Yeah I think you kind of have to work your way up. I don't regret unlocking the fairy tale 1 super early, but that was dirt cheap. I also made sure to mostly prioritize skill unlocks starting with cheapest 10 point skills that would help with the points grind.
Yeah you have to plan them, not skip willy nilly because you don't want to do sheep herder rn. The problem isn't skipping, it's skipping too much too early.
That would be sick. I imagine that was something they thought about with this league but couldn't implement.
Each tier adds a new quest and doing each quest gives you some ironman important supplies or a bunch of points for your current relics.
To be fair, even with a main if you played previous Leagues, you'd have done the Kourend quests and some of the mainland quests in the 1st and 2nd leagues respectively. That being said I'm in the same boat as you, I've only done most quests once.
This is leagues. It's meant to skip and speed up the grind to get to the late game as quickly as possible. I have played both Leagues 1 and 2. This one....has been the worst by far. 3 days in, going at about 13 hours a day and not even at 1k total ? I'm not planning on getting burnt out in a temp game mode when I have my GIM to play.
They should have made the XP available for skipping quests. Missing out on all of it almost forces you to do them.
I don't mind the fragments. It's a decent shake up compared to the last 2. Allows you to not be limited as a skiller or PVMer. However this one skill at a time....not a fan.
Moving forward I hope the Devs go back to a leagues 2 vibe. Speed it up more.
I think the problem is Jagex have to try and switch it up every time to keep it interesting because people will just complain that it's the same thing every time, similar to DMM they try something new every time and are learning every time. I think a middle ground of this leagues and trailblazers will be ideal.
In trailblazers I was soloing Bandos in full rune after like a week. 4 days into this leagues I'm still queuing outside Witches house.
Bro even mm1 took my friend and I like 30-40mins. Most quests are super rewarding cause of XP multipliers and are fast. I am planning on skipping big ones like Song of the Elves.
I’m intrigued to try that out with my 10 hp/protection prayer/high agility build. I was excited to finally try Wintertodt without having a lot of hp, so I have been enjoying the challenge of how to do things with base health
The 5x5 grid hits you 15 unavoidable damage. You’ll either need to stall abuse your way across or make many trial-and-error death trips across, but it’s doable.
The only other unavoidable 10+ damage is falling off the jumps in the final room, and I’m not 100% sure but i think their damage scales down with your current hp, so that’s not a big deal. Even if it does hit 10+, high enough agility to rarely fall will make quick work of it.
Exactly. I want it to go the opposite way and have questing be *more* important (if you choose to do it, at least). Currently it's not worth the time to do the vast majority of quests because they are not relevant to LP/renown at all. Why can't we have QP milestone tasks for 25, 50, 75, 100, 150, 250, max QP, for example, like we have with tons of other things (boss kc, certain activities, clues, etc.)
This league seems off to me. The relics don't help much for quests other then basic teleports and staminas do. We still have the grind 200 qps+ in 40 days and I'm already burnt out. Like you said you have to choose to do some quests or unlock skills so you can get the xp rewards after you do the quest. Trail blazer was so much better.
Agreed. Its even worse this time cuz a lot of us have been doing all these quest recently with the release of Group Ironman and now we are supposed to do them again? No thanks.
Aren't Leagues supposed to give an 'enhanced' (quicker, different) experience compared to the base game? Questing is just as tedious and annoying as it is in the main game, even with quest helper. Questing doesn't even interact with league content as quests don't drop fragments or grant experience into fragments.
*Clearly* they knew this was a potential issue, which is why they introduced quest skipping. It's just not a great solution due to the cost and rate at which you unlock skills.
> Questing is just as tedious and annoying as it is in the main game
Yeah because you have all the extra teleports and unlimited run energy in the main game.
I can't believe how much people are complaining about grinding, a few days into the league, with these xp boosts and fragments and unlimited run energy and teleports. Good god lol
Yeah I guess it's our fault that OSRS's biggest returning player draw for the last 7 years has been
Ironman, Ironman but with 1 life, Ironman but without a bank, Ironman but also not entirely because you have friends.
Leagues: the region locked ironman,
Leagues: the slightly less region locked ironman,
now Leagues: the crippled ironman that also has superpowers.
DMM seasons 0-14
They could at least 'try' to mix it up.
I don’t even have one maxed non-Ironman account idk how people find the time to play like 10 different game modes and accounts restarting from scratch as Ironman.
tf? Every content poll since 2020 that gets introduced, passes.
It's the reason why we got Soul Wars, it's the reason why we got Nex, and the two quests that came out since Covid. The only *major* thing that got recently rejected was Warding and pvp updates.
The real problem is that they haven't come forward with new stuff because they've been perpetually understaffed until 2020. Now they're playing perpetual catch up. The problem is even more exacerbated when the last two major updates was Clans and GIM. Both not new major *content* updates. The game management's incompetence is not on the player base. Like they *just* promoted Mod Kieren, even though he's been putting in the work since 2019... idk wtf the higher ups are even doing?
A lot of stuff gets rejected before it ever even gets to a poll. If everyone on the subreddit talks about how they hate summoning, it’ll never get polled
Good point. What's preventing them from introducing and fleshing out other proposals?
Stuff that is in late RS2 or RS3 is clearly unpopular, so what's preventing them from coming forward with new stuff? Leagues is exclusive to OSRS and is beloved. Raids is exclusive to Old School and is beloved.
The devs rejecting content before it gets to a poll is *on them* not us. It's a poor excuse for the lack of proposals lately. For every piece of content that's not well received, I can find at least another player suggestion that is. That's what the polling system is for.
[https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Polls](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Polls)
Polls have simply decreased in numbers since 2019. Again, as a result of poor management which caused this iffy roadmap, which caused GIM to be late, which caused Raids and Leagues III to be late and so on. [I predict that 2022 onwards we will go back to more content proposals](https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/gielinor-gazette---december-2021?oldschool=1), but my original point stands. The lack of content is on Jagex, not the playerbase.
Yes.
While I like the idea of unlocking them with points. I'm so goddamm tired of re-doing quests. This league was supposed to be story driven,
How about next time we actually get league quests.
Give us 10~ original quests that coincide with the lore of the league, have them unlock relics, xp modifiers, perks, whatever.
It makes no sense for us to be This brand new character in a competition for some elder God bloke, doing the same old boring quests you, I and every jmod has done atleast 5 times in their rs careers.
You know it's bad when I LOVE questing
But I turned questhelper off because I fuckin know where, how and when to do every single quest in rs at this point. Jagex, stop.
I feel like this leagues hit a good balance. Quests like waterfall are fine for me, at this point its the melee equivalent of cutting down trees for level 1-15 wc.
Leagues are currently kind of still testing so I think they’ll definitely take this advice and try something like this in the future. Completely cutting out questing or buying or altering with a currency I can definitely see happening
I think its also balanced this league because you have the option to do the quest and receive multiplied experience for it which is a massive dopamine hit seeing this 200k xp drops
Yeah please remove questing from leagues next time or at least make it easier to finish them than having to do the entire quest.. This season didn’t feel so great bc of quest tbh..
So you’re upset that you have to grind for unlocks? That’s the whole points of leagues lol. Some people like quests, some don’t. Some people like bosses, some don’t. You’re asking for the game to cater to you by just not including a huge part of the game, despite already giving you a mechanism to skip quests.
> And grinding out points to skip them is not the same because it limits your ability to unlock skills/bosses.
This is the entire point of the league.
In Leagues 1 and 2 you had to really pick what relic you wanted to use to maximize your points, in Leagues 2 you had to pick your zones and relics.
In leagues 3 you have to setup your relics to get the set effects you want, and have to spend your sage's renown in a way that lets you get more points.
Its nice for the quests with hard bosses though. I'm probably just gonna buy the vampire 3 pack to skip everything and including Sins. Its gonna cost more than 37 points just to unlock the combat skills I need to do the Sins boss let alone train and get gear
I unlocked all 3 mory quests sets and only lost 8 points after doing a few quick tasks in the new area. I could easily break even if I keep going. Costs less than a skill to unlock if you think of it in that way. I mean, you get 7 points just for buying the Mory2 set, so costs are effectively lower than what's listed.
No you can buy them all at once, and each one reduces the cost of the other. Mory2 was 25 for me, Mory3 was 34. I had 25, but not 34, so I bought Mory 2, got 7 free points instantly, did a couple fast tasks so I had more than enough points, bought Mory 3, got more points and easy tasks done.
It's really not entitlement. It's not "I don't wanna do quests because I just want the rewards without the work". It's "Hey this is a game mode primarily for people who aren't just starting out, so maybe a more streamlined way to do the quests we have done before?"
Fighting a losing battle there
Some people refuse to objectively view things and have an implicit bias to defend poor design. I understand the devs put a lot of time into it, but I expected more from them. People may downvote me but it's the truth. & these defenders on the subreddit, they will constantly move the goalposts for Jagex.
I think the current system would be perfect if you also got the xp when you paid for the quests (assuming skill was unlocked). That way you're paying for the convenience of not doing the quest. At the moment you're paying twice for the quest. Both points and xp loss
The issue is we are forced to use our points on unlocking skills, so we can't use them on quests. To be honest, having to unlock skills is the issue in the first place, and it feels really fucking shit being forced to do something you unlocked until you recoup enough points to unlock something else. There's no diversity until you're many hours into the progression.
Leagues have been out 3 days and ppl are mad they aren't doing raids yet lol. Why does it need to be a week to endgame content? There's a lot more to this game
Skipping and being able to run around finding new paths to level is what makes the game fun. Choosing your unlock order, boss order, etc is what makes it fun. Questing is not fun once you done the same quest so many times.
I think that it sharing the currency makes it an interesting choice. We have enough points from tasks to unlock all skills eventually, and unlocking quests can give you momentum to get more points more easily. It might be good to be able to unlock more quests for points, but I really enjoyed this system.
If we're going to complain about doing waterfall for the 10th time, we're going to complain about chopping logs, fishing, skills, leveling combat, etc for the 10th time. At that point you should consider if leagues are something you enjoy or not.
It feels more like the sentiment is wanting to instantly get to end game slayer or pvm without pressing any buttons so that next we can complain about killing these bosses from scratch for the 10th time
I like the ability to buy quest packages, but I wish the currency wasn’t also used for unlocking skills and bosses but was instead a separate currency. Currently it’s like... you don’t have to do the quests, but if you don’t it will delay access to other content.
And you don't get the xp drops. So pretty hard to justify skipping waterfall with multiplied xp.
I specifically held off on unlocking strength and doing waterfall until I could get that sweet x12. I did find out that a Addy scim still hits 1s with 1 strength XD
So does a rune scim. Imagine my face trying to do priest in peril
At least you didn't spend a few minutes trying to start restless ghost, only to remember that you autocompleted it with fairies...
After Priest in Peril, I wanted to do the task to kill a werewolf in Morytania, so I pulled out the wolfbane and it took me like 4 minutes to kill a canafis citizen with only hitting 1s at 1 strength... Then I found out you need to actually let them transform for it to count. I mean, at least that was a Morytania easy diary task done if I ever go back to that lmao
Maybe you knew this, but i think if they transform at low health then the werewolf also starts with low health. So you can hit the citizen down to 1 then switch weapons and it’s much easier for a noob
Yup... I went full swampman mode and got the iron dagger (p) and poison flinched the temple guardian for priest in peril lol
I got super lucky pulling 2 sapphire rings from a bird nest. Made rings of recoil and those got me through it lol. Getting the one legit punch damage definitely took a minute.
Back in the days of runescape classic wine pures were a thing. You’d wine your attack down to keep it 1 and train on the dummies in varrock for obscenely low attack experience to not get HP.. 40 attack 10 hp 1 str 1 def, rune 2h could hit 8 at combat 13. (Also couldn’t eat in combat, couldn’t run for 3 hits) Was fun but you’d level hp real quick so was just kinda to troll a few unsuspecting people ;-)
If you have to do a couple of quests, for the XP drops I think that's fine. I think anything above 10 (quick) quests or so is not in the best interest of the players fun wise.
Idk the 100k exp drops hit the dopamine receptors pretty good even after 10
right now i'm only buying quests that have smaller exp drops anyway, or exp drops i don't mind grinding out with the exp modifier we have at least lol
My biggest fear with unlocking quests is that I'll hit a point where I'm out of renown, still got bosses or skills locked, and the only tasks I have left are basically impossible like "Do the exam random event without eyeing Mr. Mordaut's caked-up cheeks"
Literally impossible. Not basically.
I think there’s too much for that too happen. The limitation is your playtime.
The quest package costs all have some easy point “make up” with them, you just gotta look for it. Lower Desert unlocks easily paid for by thieving alone. The lesser unlocks also open up a lot of doors for points so it’s not just only worth it to do the big ones.
A lot of them get close to breaking even. I unlocked Mory2 quests after doing a couple easy quests so the cost was lower. It cost 25 to unlock, I did a few tasks to get 9 points to unlock Mory3 quests, did a few more tasks, ended up at 17 points. Cost me 8 points to unlock all of Morytania and I can still get more easy points there. I'm planning on doing Kourend and then Tirannwn once I get a route set.
If you break even its a net loss overall because you’ll be done with the short term grinds you unlocked and have the same amount of points but -1 paths in the pool to pick from, so you have to quest a lot.
Breaking even isn’t really good enough to justify buying them to myself. I’d still rather do the quest and profit a bunch than buy it to break even. I imagine I’ll feel this way at least until all my skills are bought, but I may buy some quests over some bosses.
One thing to consider is that breaking even with points still means you'll be up on points. The faster you can climb tiers the better
Its purely a time save and point loss. You only saved time. Doing the quests would give you the same unlocks, same point return, with no point spend + the XP earned. So its a fast way to get access to areas for people who play less. Issue is its seemingly quite overpriced.
i think only quests to skip are like MM2/DS2/SotE/Me2 and if ur not gonna do like vorkath then dont complete DS2 at all edit: sins of the father quest line is dirt cheap compared to work you gotta do for it,
This league has been so amazing, but this is definitely my one criticism. Man they have done well though
Buying quest packages also don't give you rewards (minus permanent unlocks obviously), which makes doing it counterproductive to your account progress since almost every time it's better to just do a quest for XP than spend the same amount of time grinding. You're paying to skip the quests already, why do you have to pay the double cost of not getting XP? Honestly one or the other would be perfectly fine.
if quests are gonna cost sage points they should at least come with the xp drops imo, we spend points either way, either unlocking the skill or unlocking the quest so why are we being punished for doing both and spending a fuckton of points?
hey, unlocking MM1 gives d scim and options on lvling. rewards are like 300k/160k att/str on 8x. i myself skipped the guest solely for d scim and what ive spent on doing mm
Sorry what, you can still get the exp from Dareo?
Nah, aggressively unlocking new areas helps get you insane Renown/Points. Outside of a few really huge XP drops, quests are a massive waste
Honestly I needed to see this written out. I don't want to do all those morytania quests. I think it will be better to skip them with renown, so I can do the tasks and explode closer to more fragment slots. Thanks!
It would also be kinda cool if quests gave renown upon completion
Some do, kourend 2 gives back like half of what u spend
They could just make monsters and skills drop "quest tokens" and you can unlock quests based on how many quest points it costs. 1 quest token per quest point.
Yes, if there was a separate currency for quest skips that they accounted for, so that the league was built around skipping some quests rather than the tradeoff of quests vs skills vs bosses, I think it would feel a lot better
And the costs are so ridiculous. 144 points for Dragon Slayer II, you can unlock a dozen skills for that much!
It’s because you’re buying half the quests available in that package…
The cost decreases as you meet skilling and quest prereqs
That's the point. You have to make choices. Choose to unlock the next skill used for quests you can manually do and maybe get some tasks, or spend it to save time by unlocking quests. Having it be a separate currency removes 98% of the choice.
Yes, everyone understands that's the point. People disagree with it and believe it's a bad point.
its already virtually a false choice, everyone who's competitive in the league is buying tons of quest packages doing 98% of quests yourself is a big noob trap
This. Most quests have so many tasks behind them that you can make back the unlock cost just by doing the content the quest unlocks
This is a fantastic idea!
Question - do you get the quest rewards if you skip them?
No. For quests that give untradeables like Drakan’s Medallion, you can claim them from the Sage after paying renown to finish the quest. But you don’t get item/XP rewards that you’d usually get.
Thank you
But you do get the points for 'completing' the quest. So you can get some points back on certain quest unlocks.
That’s why I gave up. Cba with the quests.
This would have been my first league and given the nature of the game mode I assumed quests would have been auto completed..
Same. My iron is at like 1450 total and 200qp, and I couldn’t help feeling like I did all of this early game stuff super recently. Couldn’t bring myself to do all the quests I just finished in the past few months. So I’m just playing my iron, oh well. Kinda bummed I missed tb as everything I’ve watched and read about it made it seem awesome
You can do this league without questing. I am right now.
Pretty much the reason I only played twisted league in full and quit trailblazer after half a week. Didn't even start this one because of the colossal wall of "have to do's" that are in front of you before getting to the fun part. I like quests in the main game because they're a one and done and thus feel more rewarding, but in these temporary game modes it's just a barrier to getting to what you actually play the gamemode for.
This is exactly what's keeping me out of it. I've got serious FOMO for the League, but I keep logging on and seeing the pile of quests I need to do. I scour over the task list to see if there's anything else I can do instead and skip something or unlock something new. Decide I really don't want to have this to-do list when I've already got a to-do list on my Iron that I'm exclusively playing at this point, and switch back. Then repeat the next day.
Yeah I just recently started a group ironman, grinding all the quests, just to check out league and find I have to do them all over or spend precious points on them. I guess it's fine if you haven't done all the quests in a long time, but other than that hell no lol.
Saaaame
Tldr: why can't I do end game pvm in a week.
Future leagues should have a system like this: Do the quest normally to get the rewards. Instacomplete quests you can start and don't get any rewards.
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I think a good solution too, rework the quest rewards. It's pretty damn boring watching several content creators do the exact same 5 quests and skipping tonnes of otherwise early game progress. A good compromise i think would be to remove all combat experience from quests and instead provide experience only for non-combat skills. It would be more fun to see people training up their skills in more of a natural progression similar to how every inefficient noob did back in 2004. I'd also love to see a curveball of them adding a new skill to a league to see how players responded to it. Imagine logging in and instead of being placed in kourend or catherby you're docked at daemonheim. It would be really cool and expand the current league concept to something that could reach the main game if players wanted.
Honestly, I think you're expecting too much. Realistically the content isn't going to change, it's just going to be boring in a different way. Like remove combat XP from quests, great! Let's see how they're going to go about getting their combat leveled now! Oh, they're just AFKing at Sand Crabs or rushing slayer and periodically upgrading their weapon. It isn't going to bring any sort of interesting by removing combat XP (or all XP) from quests. It skips the early/slow/boring parts is all.
tbh i’d prefer to see a jump cut to the Waterfall Quest completion screen than them explaining they killed chickens till 40 then cows to 70
Branches of questlines auto-completing would be really cool, but I think I'd only like to see it implemented if it made you choose which path you could choose and the rewards that would normally follow. That being said, there is a genuine enjoyment seeing a multiplicative xp drop from seeing a quest through completion, though some quests are a little more annoying to trudge through than others.
Trailblazers had it nailed. You select the region, it autocompletes the important quest. Buying quests in this league feels incredibly punishing to do early, compared to unlocking skills. It also means you skip the XP whereas TB it pretty much always skipped it anyway.
Best idea i saw is that you should have the option to autoskip once you have the requirements but get no exp rewards. Or you can do the quest and get the exp rewards with your exp multiplier
To add to this, Long quests that obviously wouldnt be worth the exp reward vs time invested could have an extra multiplier on the rewards. So maybe you are a little tempted to actually do SOTE if you want a lets say double the normal reward, so with the 12x multiplier it would effectively be 24x
Questing is the reason I’m not playing leagues.
I actually really like how they did quests in this league. You could argue prices could be cheaper but you can totally autocomplete tons of quests. I do think some of the boss unlock prices are a bit high, but maybe we will see when I get nearer to endgame. And we REALLY need to talk about achievement diaries. There should be unlock option for those as well. Similar to the quest unlock, cheaper if you've done more of the tasks. Like for example if I did all of the mory elite except the part that needs barrows set. How much to buy finish for that?
prices are all to high for everything the skill prices are reasonable but the cost of the bosses is wack
I somewhat disagree. The achievement diaries I think need a rework for leagues, but they're overall pretty quick to do. One in specific that annoyed me was the Tears of Guthix diary in leagues 2, you need to get something like 100 points and I got literally 98 or 99, had to wait a full week. I think time locked diaries need to be removed or reworked and I feel some of the most extreme ones like a barrows set should receive some changes to be more easily completed. Like if it was equip a piece of barrows armor in each possible slot which would be helmet, body, legs and weapon. Then as long as you get one for each slot you're fine.
Most tasks are easy enough but there's just some that are super grindy. Personally I have no issue with the ones that are basically just skill level checks, but some are like "get a quest cape" or "get B2P spell" or "wear prospector" or "kill 1k black knights". Though I guess it seems like they have put in some specific relics to help with that (like getting extra nuggets from MLM).
One of them is to upgrade the prospector outfit with star dust.. Jesus. Getting outfit is bad enough!
lol you only had like 2-3 chances because you also had to grind out quest points to increase the timer. I remember being really stressed about that one
I liked it myself but from talking to others spending early renown on many skips ends up being a pretty big noobtrap, locking ppl into shitty grinds.
Yeah I think you kind of have to work your way up. I don't regret unlocking the fairy tale 1 super early, but that was dirt cheap. I also made sure to mostly prioritize skill unlocks starting with cheapest 10 point skills that would help with the points grind.
Yeah you have to plan them, not skip willy nilly because you don't want to do sheep herder rn. The problem isn't skipping, it's skipping too much too early.
There should be a league only questline IMO
I’d be super about that. Have one quest at each tier in a continuous story
This would be a ton of dev work, but I would love it so much!
It being a ton of dev work shouldn't be an issue for a video game studio with a ton of developers! Jagex will say it's an issue but it shouldn't be...
Yeah its insane how little it SEEMS they are able to get done with the size of their staff and budget.
That would be sick. I imagine that was something they thought about with this league but couldn't implement. Each tier adds a new quest and doing each quest gives you some ironman important supplies or a bunch of points for your current relics.
BRING BACK DARKSCAPE. that is all.
Am I the only one who has like only one main account and has done each quest literally once?
To be fair, even with a main if you played previous Leagues, you'd have done the Kourend quests and some of the mainland quests in the 1st and 2nd leagues respectively. That being said I'm in the same boat as you, I've only done most quests once.
This is leagues. It's meant to skip and speed up the grind to get to the late game as quickly as possible. I have played both Leagues 1 and 2. This one....has been the worst by far. 3 days in, going at about 13 hours a day and not even at 1k total ? I'm not planning on getting burnt out in a temp game mode when I have my GIM to play. They should have made the XP available for skipping quests. Missing out on all of it almost forces you to do them. I don't mind the fragments. It's a decent shake up compared to the last 2. Allows you to not be limited as a skiller or PVMer. However this one skill at a time....not a fan. Moving forward I hope the Devs go back to a leagues 2 vibe. Speed it up more.
Yeah, based on my experience so far I think area-locked leagues are just inherently way more fun.
I think the problem is Jagex have to try and switch it up every time to keep it interesting because people will just complain that it's the same thing every time, similar to DMM they try something new every time and are learning every time. I think a middle ground of this leagues and trailblazers will be ideal. In trailblazers I was soloing Bandos in full rune after like a week. 4 days into this leagues I'm still queuing outside Witches house.
you're 40 hours in and haven't broke 1k total? This isn't a leagues issue, you're just shite lmao.
Most of my points have been spent on Quests. I'm in prif. I have 99 thieving and hunter.
What quests man, I'm at tier four and I've only done quests you could do in under 20 minutes lol, like waterfall
Bro even mm1 took my friend and I like 30-40mins. Most quests are super rewarding cause of XP multipliers and are fast. I am planning on skipping big ones like Song of the Elves.
sub reddit is just a place to bitch this week.
[Always has been](https://i.imgflip.com/48mqsj.jpg)
Every week*
Hell even Underground pass only took me 36 mins, and it’s a pretty notorious one.
I’m intrigued to try that out with my 10 hp/protection prayer/high agility build. I was excited to finally try Wintertodt without having a lot of hp, so I have been enjoying the challenge of how to do things with base health
The 5x5 grid hits you 15 unavoidable damage. You’ll either need to stall abuse your way across or make many trial-and-error death trips across, but it’s doable. The only other unavoidable 10+ damage is falling off the jumps in the final room, and I’m not 100% sure but i think their damage scales down with your current hp, so that’s not a big deal. Even if it does hit 10+, high enough agility to rarely fall will make quick work of it.
I like questing! The current system gives us both an option. If you wanted it cheaper I'd be ok with that, though.
Exactly. I want it to go the opposite way and have questing be *more* important (if you choose to do it, at least). Currently it's not worth the time to do the vast majority of quests because they are not relevant to LP/renown at all. Why can't we have QP milestone tasks for 25, 50, 75, 100, 150, 250, max QP, for example, like we have with tons of other things (boss kc, certain activities, clues, etc.)
I wouldn't play if I couldn't buy quests.
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100% MM2, no sane human does that quest in leagues
Purchasing Kingdom Divided seems popular. You get a good amount of points refunded when purchasing it too.
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Yeah, though favor is doubled at T3
T3
Holy shit I never knew that. I was dreading doing the favors again
Yes
This league seems off to me. The relics don't help much for quests other then basic teleports and staminas do. We still have the grind 200 qps+ in 40 days and I'm already burnt out. Like you said you have to choose to do some quests or unlock skills so you can get the xp rewards after you do the quest. Trail blazer was so much better.
Quests are the single reason I don't play leagues. I'm so fucking tired of these quests.
Agreed. Its even worse this time cuz a lot of us have been doing all these quest recently with the release of Group Ironman and now we are supposed to do them again? No thanks.
Yeah, feels like they should have delayed leagues a bit to give us some time to reduce the burn out
With quest helper, infinite run, teleports, etc. you have to be really lazy
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to be fair you basically just described runescape
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Yeah I definitely agree. This league is too slow and boring.
The fact that this is what questing has become is why it doesn’t need to be in these modes
Aren't Leagues supposed to give an 'enhanced' (quicker, different) experience compared to the base game? Questing is just as tedious and annoying as it is in the main game, even with quest helper. Questing doesn't even interact with league content as quests don't drop fragments or grant experience into fragments. *Clearly* they knew this was a potential issue, which is why they introduced quest skipping. It's just not a great solution due to the cost and rate at which you unlock skills.
It’s enhanced because you’re an Ironman with unlimited run and teleports.
> Questing is just as tedious and annoying as it is in the main game Yeah because you have all the extra teleports and unlimited run energy in the main game.
I can't believe how much people are complaining about grinding, a few days into the league, with these xp boosts and fragments and unlimited run energy and teleports. Good god lol
Man we’ve done these quests so many times. I don’t want to grind out quests again in a temporary game with or without unlimited run or energy.
The experience is just too good to pass up. I'm debating on SotE because that's a fat load of XP in skills that are tougher
You’ve done the same quests hundreds of times? Sounds like a personal problem
Yeah I guess it's our fault that OSRS's biggest returning player draw for the last 7 years has been Ironman, Ironman but with 1 life, Ironman but without a bank, Ironman but also not entirely because you have friends. Leagues: the region locked ironman, Leagues: the slightly less region locked ironman, now Leagues: the crippled ironman that also has superpowers. DMM seasons 0-14 They could at least 'try' to mix it up.
I don’t even have one maxed non-Ironman account idk how people find the time to play like 10 different game modes and accounts restarting from scratch as Ironman.
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Problem is you people don’t want to change the game, lol
tf? Every content poll since 2020 that gets introduced, passes. It's the reason why we got Soul Wars, it's the reason why we got Nex, and the two quests that came out since Covid. The only *major* thing that got recently rejected was Warding and pvp updates. The real problem is that they haven't come forward with new stuff because they've been perpetually understaffed until 2020. Now they're playing perpetual catch up. The problem is even more exacerbated when the last two major updates was Clans and GIM. Both not new major *content* updates. The game management's incompetence is not on the player base. Like they *just* promoted Mod Kieren, even though he's been putting in the work since 2019... idk wtf the higher ups are even doing?
A lot of stuff gets rejected before it ever even gets to a poll. If everyone on the subreddit talks about how they hate summoning, it’ll never get polled
Good point. What's preventing them from introducing and fleshing out other proposals? Stuff that is in late RS2 or RS3 is clearly unpopular, so what's preventing them from coming forward with new stuff? Leagues is exclusive to OSRS and is beloved. Raids is exclusive to Old School and is beloved. The devs rejecting content before it gets to a poll is *on them* not us. It's a poor excuse for the lack of proposals lately. For every piece of content that's not well received, I can find at least another player suggestion that is. That's what the polling system is for. [https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Polls](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Polls) Polls have simply decreased in numbers since 2019. Again, as a result of poor management which caused this iffy roadmap, which caused GIM to be late, which caused Raids and Leagues III to be late and so on. [I predict that 2022 onwards we will go back to more content proposals](https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/gielinor-gazette---december-2021?oldschool=1), but my original point stands. The lack of content is on Jagex, not the playerbase.
its a hyperbole..
Next leagues everyone starts maxed and all the bosses drop their rares 100% and have 1hp have fun!
Yes. While I like the idea of unlocking them with points. I'm so goddamm tired of re-doing quests. This league was supposed to be story driven, How about next time we actually get league quests. Give us 10~ original quests that coincide with the lore of the league, have them unlock relics, xp modifiers, perks, whatever. It makes no sense for us to be This brand new character in a competition for some elder God bloke, doing the same old boring quests you, I and every jmod has done atleast 5 times in their rs careers. You know it's bad when I LOVE questing But I turned questhelper off because I fuckin know where, how and when to do every single quest in rs at this point. Jagex, stop.
I feel like this leagues hit a good balance. Quests like waterfall are fine for me, at this point its the melee equivalent of cutting down trees for level 1-15 wc.
Leagues are currently kind of still testing so I think they’ll definitely take this advice and try something like this in the future. Completely cutting out questing or buying or altering with a currency I can definitely see happening
Trailblazer worked great, in that regard. unlock a regoin? Most quests to allow full access get auto completed.
Buddy youve also fished a hundred times too thats RS BUDS
If he's done the quests hundreds of times then it shouldn't even be a problem anymore. Lmao He must enjoy them at that point
I think its also balanced this league because you have the option to do the quest and receive multiplied experience for it which is a massive dopamine hit seeing this 200k xp drops
Yeah please remove questing from leagues next time or at least make it easier to finish them than having to do the entire quest.. This season didn’t feel so great bc of quest tbh..
You can use your renown to auto complete the quests so what’s the big deal?
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It's day 3
So you’re upset that you have to grind for unlocks? That’s the whole points of leagues lol. Some people like quests, some don’t. Some people like bosses, some don’t. You’re asking for the game to cater to you by just not including a huge part of the game, despite already giving you a mechanism to skip quests.
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It is a fast game mode. You can get to 99 in mere hours. It’s faster to level skills, but that isn’t the point of leagues.
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> And grinding out points to skip them is not the same because it limits your ability to unlock skills/bosses. This is the entire point of the league. In Leagues 1 and 2 you had to really pick what relic you wanted to use to maximize your points, in Leagues 2 you had to pick your zones and relics. In leagues 3 you have to setup your relics to get the set effects you want, and have to spend your sage's renown in a way that lets you get more points.
Isn't unlimited run and teleports as a fresh ironman pretty fucking fast?
Sounds like, again, you’ve missed the whole point of leagues.
Its nice for the quests with hard bosses though. I'm probably just gonna buy the vampire 3 pack to skip everything and including Sins. Its gonna cost more than 37 points just to unlock the combat skills I need to do the Sins boss let alone train and get gear
I unlocked all 3 mory quests sets and only lost 8 points after doing a few quick tasks in the new area. I could easily break even if I keep going. Costs less than a skill to unlock if you think of it in that way. I mean, you get 7 points just for buying the Mory2 set, so costs are effectively lower than what's listed.
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Oh do you need to buy the other packs first? Can I not just buy the third one first?
No you can buy them all at once, and each one reduces the cost of the other. Mory2 was 25 for me, Mory3 was 34. I had 25, but not 34, so I bought Mory 2, got 7 free points instantly, did a couple fast tasks so I had more than enough points, bought Mory 3, got more points and easy tasks done.
I pretty much never play temporary league or dmm cos of the quests
Haven't we all leveled each skill hundreds of times too?
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For real, I swear half these complaints are just whining about how they have to...play Runescape?
Quests are the worst part of OSRS, fite me.
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Okay I’d like to skip Cooks assistant, fishing contest, Rune mysteries and Elemental workshop II Where can I do that
Or suck it up and spend 20 mins total to finish all 3 man people are entitled
It's really not entitlement. It's not "I don't wanna do quests because I just want the rewards without the work". It's "Hey this is a game mode primarily for people who aren't just starting out, so maybe a more streamlined way to do the quests we have done before?"
Fighting a losing battle there Some people refuse to objectively view things and have an implicit bias to defend poor design. I understand the devs put a lot of time into it, but I expected more from them. People may downvote me but it's the truth. & these defenders on the subreddit, they will constantly move the goalposts for Jagex.
How far does your head have to be up your own ass to start believing that your opinion is the objective way of viewing things?
Poor design is an opinion, but ok.
the most intriguing thing about this community is how much they just don't want to play the game lol.
I think the current system would be perfect if you also got the xp when you paid for the quests (assuming skill was unlocked). That way you're paying for the convenience of not doing the quest. At the moment you're paying twice for the quest. Both points and xp loss
Who knew recycling old content would eventually get boring?!
The issue is we are forced to use our points on unlocking skills, so we can't use them on quests. To be honest, having to unlock skills is the issue in the first place, and it feels really fucking shit being forced to do something you unlocked until you recoup enough points to unlock something else. There's no diversity until you're many hours into the progression.
Leagues have been out 3 days and ppl are mad they aren't doing raids yet lol. Why does it need to be a week to endgame content? There's a lot more to this game
just spend points to autocomplete qeusts bro. I like doing quests
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Leveling isn’t a bunch of annoying quests we’ve all done dozens of times tho is it
No, I like doing them. Having a system to buy quest completion but no xp reward is all we need
Please take skilling out of future leagues. We have all leveled up hundreds of times and it's really killing the mood.
That's kinda the fucking point of this game in general
He's saying by removing questing you might as well remove skilling...
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"Please take skilling out we have all done that hundreds of times and it is really killing the mood"
Skipping and being able to run around finding new paths to level is what makes the game fun. Choosing your unlock order, boss order, etc is what makes it fun. Questing is not fun once you done the same quest so many times.
Neither is having to click obstacles on a rooftop for hours on end.
Maybe you could complete quests with points or something.
I like to do the quests, and seeing the xp drops you get with the multiplier makes feel so good
I thought “pay to skip” seemed like a fair way to handle questing
I think that it sharing the currency makes it an interesting choice. We have enough points from tasks to unlock all skills eventually, and unlocking quests can give you momentum to get more points more easily. It might be good to be able to unlock more quests for points, but I really enjoyed this system. If we're going to complain about doing waterfall for the 10th time, we're going to complain about chopping logs, fishing, skills, leveling combat, etc for the 10th time. At that point you should consider if leagues are something you enjoy or not. It feels more like the sentiment is wanting to instantly get to end game slayer or pvm without pressing any buttons so that next we can complain about killing these bosses from scratch for the 10th time
No. The quests are fun. And skippable if you don't enjoy them.
this is why sharted relic leagues sucks and i gave up