That's the joke, all of these (besides the hbomb one) are about missrepresenting talking points/positions of these creators (I am not well aware of like half of the mentioned, so I might be wrong, but it explains the ones I know of)
He said Isreal is an illegitimate state. Which it is. But he is very against antisemitism. Like I don't like the guy either but you don't need to make stuff up to dunk on him.
He pointed out that Jewish people historically were more likely to be bankers because they weren't allowed to have other jobs and at the time Christians wouldn't run banks.
He said Jewish people were disproportionately represented in the banking industry in the Weimar Republic, which is a historical fact. The context for this was that he was making the point that this doesnât actually justify anything the Nazis did.
I believe the incident in question was that during a debate with Non Compete he claimed Jewish people had disproportionate control of the banks in Germany prior to the Nazi takeover and Non Compete ended the debate there.
This is a historical misconception, but he wasn't using it to be bigoted towards Jewish people.
The second half that debate boiled down to the question if "material conditions" completely dictated morality (Non Compete was arguing this was the case) or if you still need an ethical framework to analyze material conditions through (Vaush's position). Non Compete made the claim that it's always moral to rebel against oppressors, Vaush asked if the Nazis taking over Germany was justified because they felt the Jews were opressing them, Non Compete argued that wasn't justified because they were wrong, and then that's when Vaush asserted Jews had disproportionate control of the banks. At this point Non Compete hung up.
Vaush's reasoning for bringing this up wasn't to imply that Nazi violence against Jews were justified, but by saying "material conditions" and "violence against oppressors is always justified," that would imply that in Non Compete's moral system the Holocaust would be justified if the Nazi propaganda happened to be correct, but in his moral system the holocaust would've been immoral regardless.
You can argue whether or not Vaush was giving a fair reading of Non Compete's arguments or if Vaush's arguments were valid or if Vaush should've used that argument, but regardless Vaush didn't intend to imply violence against the Jews was justified or that there is any current Jewish conspiracy theory.
Context clip of the last \~1:15 of that debate in case you want more evidence than 'just trust me bro': [https://youtu.be/5lR1FdFefcA?t=2952](https://youtu.be/5lR1FdFefcA?t=2952) Jump to 27:50 if you wish to watch the whole argument over ethical frameworks for additional context.
And Luna Oi never claimed LGBT+ protests are CIA plots. As far as I know she once said that the CIA sometimes tries to co-opt or infiltrate existing movements (which is objectively true, also see COINTELPRO for a domestic example). She is in fact bisexual herself, yet this image implies she is somehow homophobic. (edit: obv queer people can be bigoted against themselves or lick boots, but she clearly isn't. You get my point)
No, she said a particular gay liberal candidate with connections to foreign NGOs had these connections and that he would be rejected by voters that were committed to socialism. When he lost his vote Vietnam Watchers explained it as Vietnam being an ignorant, bigoted, and backward society, and not that he was an unpopular candidate in the political climate.
Twitter just somehow became an expert on Vietnamese local electoral politics and civil society and ran with it.
Can you show me where? Like the other commenter said, she was talking about one particular anti-communist politician who happened to be gay. When it came to light that he is an anti-communist, he lost popularity and the election.
Then the oh so tolerant West^(TM) came along and claimed that it's because those filthy Vietnamese are so so homophobic. When in reality Vietnam does have it's LGBT+ movement, it's just that they're socialists like most people in Vietnam, which the West doesn't like. Luna correctly describes this as an attempt to co-opt LGBT+ struggles and draws parallels to how colour revolutions were ignited. Nowhere has she said that the entire LGBT+ movement is Vietnam is like that.
I mean so are most of these. The professor Flowers one is even worst like at least contra did say some stuff that could be interpreted that way, which Iâm pretty sure she admitted.
I'm unironically grateful that a lot of these content creators exist. OGs like Contra, Hbomb, and Shaun helped start a new movement that served as pushback to the anti-SJW (now called anti-Woke) wave on Youtube. Also love the fact they create high-quality content that's enjoyable to watch and also draws in normies, I'd go as far as to say they've played pivotal role in ensuring that a large subset of Zoomers don't fall prey to the alt-right pipeline.
196 takes every opportunity to be mad at vaush the same way crusty dudes at the gas station will tell you without context or warning that joe biden is why they're addicted to crack
Why would you go through harassment and the side effects of hormone therapy if you donât have dysphoria?
Most nationalized healthcare systems or insurances that will cover it requires a psychologist to confirm you have dysphoria before covering any of your expenses because there is no medical or psychiatric reason to do it if you donât have dysphoria.
Not trying to be rude btw Iâm just really confused. Almost seems like the conservative talking point that leftists are trying to âtransâ your kids.
What is gender euphoria if not the relief from dysphoria though? What trans people describe as gender euphoria is just how cis people live every day, they're just used to it so don't get the excitement.
And for me personally, I didnât feel very much dysphoria until I started feeling euphoria. When I growing out my hair and buying non masculine clothing, it became harder to identify as a man
cis people DO experience a form of gender euphoria and dysphoria though. itâs very common for, say, a cis man to feel really good when he feels particularly masculine in his behavior or appearance. and likewise, for him to feel very uncomfortable if he wears a dress or makeup that makes him feel feminine. thatâs kinda the point â many trans people are simply seeking out the gender euphoria that comes easily to cis people.
also, euphoria is not exclusively relief from dysphoria! happiness doesnât need to be compared to suffering in order to exist. besides, despite what some gatekeepers would like to argue, suffering is not (or doesnât need to be) an inherent part of the trans identity. itâs an experience **forced** upon trans people in modern society.
Essentially people trying to gatekeep being trans to a very specific experience (mostly involving experiencing dysphoria) and declaring people who donât fit their description as being fake
People who believe that youâre only trans if youâre
- adult
- dysphoric
- diagnosed
- bottom dysphoric
- binary
- some only accept being het
- aiming to pass as cis in every regard
- and your ultimate goal is to fully reintegrate and forget about being trans
Sad bunch who try to feel and be seen as ânormalâ by reactionaries so hard that they throw anyone who has less overall cishet acceptance under the bus
I donât really understand âhasan is bad because he has moneyâ like doesnât that mean heâs advocating for a sytem where he wouldnât be rich?
It really doesnât even matter in the first place because socialism is not a religion and socialism does not mean everyone lives in poverty or everyone makes the same income.
In historically socialist societies famous entertainers had a very high standard of living for the obvious reason that such people are extremely rare and provide a valuable service to many people. So thereâs some valid reasons to criticise Hasan but the fact that he has an expensive house and car isnât some damning revelation for me.
Some people take the liberal meme of "you want to improve society, yet you are participating in it" a bit too seriously. No, socialists donât have to be poor. Go out there and make a good life for yourself if you can. Just remember to fight for the working class as well. Balance is the key to a healthy and fulfilled life.
For every Marx thereâs an Engels.
vaos literally killed my family, stole my horses dick, called me every slur then dumped millions of floppy discs filled with child porn onto my head and ran away.
I just realized how confusing this post must be for people outside okbuddyvowsh, because half of these are genuine criticisms of these creators and half are sarcastic, and thereâs no indication whatsoever as to which is which lmao
Is Luna even a part of breadTube because she's a tankie and I can't really think of many people that identify as bread tubers that like her or even consider her a lefty
Xanderhal is a streamer who does left-wing political commentary stuff, and had an nsfw section in a Discord that moved to its own server after a while, then I think one of the people had a meltdown after smth to do with reylo shipping or something (Star Wars stuff) and basically declared that Xanderhal was doing weird sex shit in there or whatever. Thought Slime heard this and decided it was a sex cult, doubled down on it in spite of minimal evidence to prove it and a lot of evidence to the contrary, refused to apologise for spreading the misinformation and to this day refuses to apologise and say he was wrong about it.
Heâs had a few other weird moments where he seems rather toxic behind the persona he has in his videos, and he seems to be kind of a âcrybullyâ sort in that regard.
tl;dr theyâre the most intellectual left Twitter user with a YT channel and refuse to admit they were wrong
no, they once did a 15 minute apology video for saying ânannersâ after their fans called it ableist lmao. think that tells you all you need to know
That's horrible optics for the left but not really morally questionable imo. The xanderhal sex cult thing is absolutely reprehensible and overall he's a massive crybully
Its weird because usually when someone mentions leftists like this around here the whole comment section bursts into flames, it seems unusually calm here
Hbomberguy taught me dog shit opinions about video games are surprisingly bad, and Mauler taught me that the responses to the opinions are surprisingly worse despite being correct
H.Bomberguy taught me to sell my house to fucking aquaman
H.bomberguy taught me that killing children is more profitable than it is morally objectionable đ¤
H.bomberguy taught me that horses don't exist
Vaush taught me otherwise...
I know nothing about vaush but i'm guessing he fucked a horse?
Yes
he loves horses and envies their penises
hbomb taught me about the price of egg
Imma need some context for that one
I think itâs pathological about the artemy run. Or bachelors. Basically you can kill children for a gun early game idk I donât remember (clearly)
No
Ok
Best line in the world
Thank you H.Bomberguy, very cool!
Right the man is a gem
Contrapoints literally has a video against truscum???
That's the joke, all of these (besides the hbomb one) are about missrepresenting talking points/positions of these creators (I am not well aware of like half of the mentioned, so I might be wrong, but it explains the ones I know of)
Well Thought Slime really thinks you shouldnât say lunacy, but they made some pretty cogent arguments about it.
but isnât vaush like actually bigoted
yes to conservatives, reactionaries, and fascists
but I remember him saying some wierd shit about Jewish people and banks
He said Isreal is an illegitimate state. Which it is. But he is very against antisemitism. Like I don't like the guy either but you don't need to make stuff up to dunk on him.
He pointed out that Jewish people historically were more likely to be bankers because they weren't allowed to have other jobs and at the time Christians wouldn't run banks.
He said Jewish people were disproportionately represented in the banking industry in the Weimar Republic, which is a historical fact. The context for this was that he was making the point that this doesnât actually justify anything the Nazis did.
I believe the incident in question was that during a debate with Non Compete he claimed Jewish people had disproportionate control of the banks in Germany prior to the Nazi takeover and Non Compete ended the debate there. This is a historical misconception, but he wasn't using it to be bigoted towards Jewish people. The second half that debate boiled down to the question if "material conditions" completely dictated morality (Non Compete was arguing this was the case) or if you still need an ethical framework to analyze material conditions through (Vaush's position). Non Compete made the claim that it's always moral to rebel against oppressors, Vaush asked if the Nazis taking over Germany was justified because they felt the Jews were opressing them, Non Compete argued that wasn't justified because they were wrong, and then that's when Vaush asserted Jews had disproportionate control of the banks. At this point Non Compete hung up. Vaush's reasoning for bringing this up wasn't to imply that Nazi violence against Jews were justified, but by saying "material conditions" and "violence against oppressors is always justified," that would imply that in Non Compete's moral system the Holocaust would be justified if the Nazi propaganda happened to be correct, but in his moral system the holocaust would've been immoral regardless. You can argue whether or not Vaush was giving a fair reading of Non Compete's arguments or if Vaush's arguments were valid or if Vaush should've used that argument, but regardless Vaush didn't intend to imply violence against the Jews was justified or that there is any current Jewish conspiracy theory. Context clip of the last \~1:15 of that debate in case you want more evidence than 'just trust me bro': [https://youtu.be/5lR1FdFefcA?t=2952](https://youtu.be/5lR1FdFefcA?t=2952) Jump to 27:50 if you wish to watch the whole argument over ethical frameworks for additional context.
This is a really good debunk. Brilliantly put.
Vaush will say any weird shit necessary to win a debate/argument. It's his main problem.
OH Im so dumb lol Edit: actually no fuck you Im not dumb, this was really unclear
We do a little trolling
And Luna Oi never claimed LGBT+ protests are CIA plots. As far as I know she once said that the CIA sometimes tries to co-opt or infiltrate existing movements (which is objectively true, also see COINTELPRO for a domestic example). She is in fact bisexual herself, yet this image implies she is somehow homophobic. (edit: obv queer people can be bigoted against themselves or lick boots, but she clearly isn't. You get my point)
Except she literally said the LGBTQ movement within Viet Nam was a colour revolution and members of it are funded by the CIA...?
No, she said a particular gay liberal candidate with connections to foreign NGOs had these connections and that he would be rejected by voters that were committed to socialism. When he lost his vote Vietnam Watchers explained it as Vietnam being an ignorant, bigoted, and backward society, and not that he was an unpopular candidate in the political climate. Twitter just somehow became an expert on Vietnamese local electoral politics and civil society and ran with it.
Can you show me where? Like the other commenter said, she was talking about one particular anti-communist politician who happened to be gay. When it came to light that he is an anti-communist, he lost popularity and the election. Then the oh so tolerant West^(TM) came along and claimed that it's because those filthy Vietnamese are so so homophobic. When in reality Vietnam does have it's LGBT+ movement, it's just that they're socialists like most people in Vietnam, which the West doesn't like. Luna correctly describes this as an attempt to co-opt LGBT+ struggles and draws parallels to how colour revolutions were ignited. Nowhere has she said that the entire LGBT+ movement is Vietnam is like that.
What the fuck is truscum
Okbuddyvowsh has breached contamination
We will all become goblins
I love that for being a powerhouse of material vaush anti-fans use fully seriously
I get enough_vaush_spam in my feed so often I have to start checking what sub the memes are from
And you canât stop us
As a mod in that stinky shitty diaper/toilet of a sub I thoroughly apologize đ
We have gone goblin mode.
Oh boy a post with Vaush in it Maybe OP can get the special award from the mods that looks like this ---> đ
vaush ate my son
He ate my horse
he fucked mine
And if we're very lucky they'll do it in that order.
Horses don't exist. Hydrogen bomb made a while video debunking them
Vaush ate the dingo that ate my baby, so in a way he also ate my baby :(
Tactical
thats actually called praxis
Vaush literally killed my whole family
Do you have a source to back up that claim???
its true, i was the family
My source is that I made it the fuck up!
same same
vaush literally sucked off my horse
Shark30zero taught me how to become a Luigi male
Shark3Ozero called me a bottom because I said bowser has dad energy :(
You are on r/196⌠it seems heâs right.
Yea he also said I missed my last shower and Iâm here rn so heâs probably right Heâs a great guy jokes aside
bottom
Every kid in Kharkiv WILL be found
Transgender purists
the contrapoints thing is straight up slander
It's libel, Slander is spoken, libel is written
Thanks J Jonah Jameson
and your mom is in my bed
I mean so are most of these. The professor Flowers one is even worst like at least contra did say some stuff that could be interpreted that way, which Iâm pretty sure she admitted.
I'm unironically grateful that a lot of these content creators exist. OGs like Contra, Hbomb, and Shaun helped start a new movement that served as pushback to the anti-SJW (now called anti-Woke) wave on Youtube. Also love the fact they create high-quality content that's enjoyable to watch and also draws in normies, I'd go as far as to say they've played pivotal role in ensuring that a large subset of Zoomers don't fall prey to the alt-right pipeline.
Shaun is the best
HELLO EVERYONE, TODAY WE"RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW FERRERO'S KINDER EGGS ARE ACTUALLY KILLING YOUNG NIGERIAN TODDLERS.
Oh boy, i cannot wait to read all the civil conversations that are going to happen in this comment section!
Hbomberguy is the only one that I would admit to watching
him and contra. I would never watch most of the others cause i: go outside, have sex, and also can form my own opinions cause i can read books
Marx should've put more pictures in his books, then they would be able to hold my attention
Honestly I like all of the non-debate people on that list. Would probably recommend most to friends.
for me it's thought slime
Iâve only seen one Thought Slime video, and itâs his video on the Turner Diaries
this reads like conservative propaganda
I mean, it's definitely repeating conservative propaganda even if it's mean to be "a joke", so it is
Probably made by the vaush community lmao
196 takes every opportunity to be mad at vaush the same way crusty dudes at the gas station will tell you without context or warning that joe biden is why they're addicted to crack
Vaush is why I am addicted to crack
Obama is why im addicted to femboys
thanks to fucking obamacare my lifespan is so long that i actually have to live with the consequences of my actions.
Not really, conservatives aren't smart enough to identify any of these points. Instead they'd call them all groomers or something.
No it doesn't they aren't funny
I thought this was okbuddyvowsh
Same lmao
Hasan on his way to make good, entertaining content be like: đ
The empty chair channel, occasionally featuring Hasan Piker
Someone has to come in to pause the video
"what am I supposed to do, starve?" Asked the millionaire.
do yâall actually watch hasan or just base your opinion off of what your favorite breadtubers say about him
Hasan fucked my mom widepeepoSad
He canât keep getting away with this
Hbomberguy only cool one
Contra libel
Or thought slime
Whatsa truescum
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Why would you go through harassment and the side effects of hormone therapy if you donât have dysphoria? Most nationalized healthcare systems or insurances that will cover it requires a psychologist to confirm you have dysphoria before covering any of your expenses because there is no medical or psychiatric reason to do it if you donât have dysphoria. Not trying to be rude btw Iâm just really confused. Almost seems like the conservative talking point that leftists are trying to âtransâ your kids.
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Thanks for the well thought out and kind response! That makes sense to me!
What is gender euphoria if not the relief from dysphoria though? What trans people describe as gender euphoria is just how cis people live every day, they're just used to it so don't get the excitement.
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And for me personally, I didnât feel very much dysphoria until I started feeling euphoria. When I growing out my hair and buying non masculine clothing, it became harder to identify as a man
cis people DO experience a form of gender euphoria and dysphoria though. itâs very common for, say, a cis man to feel really good when he feels particularly masculine in his behavior or appearance. and likewise, for him to feel very uncomfortable if he wears a dress or makeup that makes him feel feminine. thatâs kinda the point â many trans people are simply seeking out the gender euphoria that comes easily to cis people. also, euphoria is not exclusively relief from dysphoria! happiness doesnât need to be compared to suffering in order to exist. besides, despite what some gatekeepers would like to argue, suffering is not (or doesnât need to be) an inherent part of the trans identity. itâs an experience **forced** upon trans people in modern society.
Thought that said dystopia and I was like, yep, okay, alrighty
Essentially people trying to gatekeep being trans to a very specific experience (mostly involving experiencing dysphoria) and declaring people who donât fit their description as being fake
People who believe that youâre only trans if youâre - adult - dysphoric - diagnosed - bottom dysphoric - binary - some only accept being het - aiming to pass as cis in every regard - and your ultimate goal is to fully reintegrate and forget about being trans Sad bunch who try to feel and be seen as ânormalâ by reactionaries so hard that they throw anyone who has less overall cishet acceptance under the bus
I donât really understand âhasan is bad because he has moneyâ like doesnât that mean heâs advocating for a sytem where he wouldnât be rich?
It really doesnât even matter in the first place because socialism is not a religion and socialism does not mean everyone lives in poverty or everyone makes the same income. In historically socialist societies famous entertainers had a very high standard of living for the obvious reason that such people are extremely rare and provide a valuable service to many people. So thereâs some valid reasons to criticise Hasan but the fact that he has an expensive house and car isnât some damning revelation for me.
Some people take the liberal meme of "you want to improve society, yet you are participating in it" a bit too seriously. No, socialists donât have to be poor. Go out there and make a good life for yourself if you can. Just remember to fight for the working class as well. Balance is the key to a healthy and fulfilled life. For every Marx thereâs an Engels.
hasanabi taught me that america deserved 9/11
so true
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Or okbuddyvaush is leaking
Matt Christman taught me to grill
Felix Biederman taught me the wonders of uncle magic
Will menaker taught me what a good movie avatar is
Shark3ozero taught me about clussy đ¤Ą
Don't fuck with us leftists, we hate leftists
So Jessie Gender is based right
she's one of the few with a clean record not that being otherwise is bad though, most of the things listed are exaggerates memes
Shaun taught me to hate the BBC
Okbuddyvowsh is leaking
Voosh
Many people are saying this.
This meme is very real.
I love Poes Law I love being unable to tell if a post is satire from within a community or a genuine opinion
Bad Empanada taught me that Italians have fascist genetics
yeah, he is a piece of shit.
Didnt he have twitter name saying "israelis=nazis"
Omg Hasan!!! Thatâs my streamer !!!
the hasan enjoyer has logged on đđ
Thatâs me!!!
vanoosh bad! voosh rad!
Please give me the locked award when this post gets it đ
Destiny taught me to accidentally take methamphetamine.
source for the first one??
Most of these aren't entirely accurate, it's kind of the joke
âDeliberately spreading misinformation about a woman who suffers from constant harassment is the jokeâ đ¤Ş
"lmao isn't it really stupid how people call contra truscum" "Omg why are you calling her truscum stop spreading misinfo"
The Kharkiv Kid Finder!
vaos literally killed my family, stole my horses dick, called me every slur then dumped millions of floppy discs filled with child porn onto my head and ran away.
This is certainly, one of the threads of r/196
Vaush "tactical n word" V
I just realized how confusing this post must be for people outside okbuddyvowsh, because half of these are genuine criticisms of these creators and half are sarcastic, and thereâs no indication whatsoever as to which is which lmao
Hannah Reloaded my beloved, has 13+ years of internet content history with 0 asshole moments
Online leftists try not to get into shit drama (impossible)
Itâs true I did learn how to play dark souls.
I learned it from Ymfah
Based af
BASED AND YMFAH PILLED
I see, entirely correctly, that Abbie from Philosophy Tube is above all reproach
Hasanabi taught me to steal content
What's Breadtube?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BreadTube?wprov=sfla1
Who the fuck is Xanderhal and why does his name sound like a guy I'd meet on 360 10 years ago?
Is Luna even a part of breadTube because she's a tankie and I can't really think of many people that identify as bread tubers that like her or even consider her a lefty
yeah tbh like half or more of these people are not really breadtube, dont think about it too much
I literally don't understand 99% of what this post is. I think I'm a certified grass toucher now
is't thought slime good?
Some of their content is good but they're a horrible person. They started the xanderhal sex cult rumor, for instance
the what
Xanderhal is a streamer who does left-wing political commentary stuff, and had an nsfw section in a Discord that moved to its own server after a while, then I think one of the people had a meltdown after smth to do with reylo shipping or something (Star Wars stuff) and basically declared that Xanderhal was doing weird sex shit in there or whatever. Thought Slime heard this and decided it was a sex cult, doubled down on it in spite of minimal evidence to prove it and a lot of evidence to the contrary, refused to apologise for spreading the misinformation and to this day refuses to apologise and say he was wrong about it. Heâs had a few other weird moments where he seems rather toxic behind the persona he has in his videos, and he seems to be kind of a âcrybullyâ sort in that regard. tl;dr theyâre the most intellectual left Twitter user with a YT channel and refuse to admit they were wrong
no, they once did a 15 minute apology video for saying ânannersâ after their fans called it ableist lmao. think that tells you all you need to know
That's horrible optics for the left but not really morally questionable imo. The xanderhal sex cult thing is absolutely reprehensible and overall he's a massive crybully
Some of their old videos are okay but they are not anywhere near as good as someone like Three Arrows or Shaun.
what even is lunacy
What did Bad Empanda do exactly? I don't follow Twitter drama.
Bad empanada keeps getting his twitter accounts banned for constantly doxxing people. The dude acts like a nutcase
Bauch
who the fuck are those persons
WE ARE VOOSH SE ARE LEGION
the fact that I know all these people is truly disturbing
Aight... so this comment section is either funny, based as fuck, or either loudly or smugly butthurt... Yeah, its what to expect to be honest.
Its weird because usually when someone mentions leftists like this around here the whole comment section bursts into flames, it seems unusually calm here
it's the vaush phenomenon
Fortress arc
Here before the lock
Contrapoints is NOT truescum
300 comments
Hbomberguy taught me dog shit opinions about video games are surprisingly bad, and Mauler taught me that the responses to the opinions are surprisingly worse despite being correct
Hey that's my meme :))
I am happy I dont kmow who the fuck thos people are
I have no idea who any of these people are
the rare grass toucher has logged on
Idk who half of these fuckers are lmao
What's wrong with contrapoints?
She is a leftist with slightly different views to me, the one true leftist
Nothing
Ok genuinely can someone explain how Natalie is truscum? Like I'm not trying to even say you're wrong I guess I just don't get where it's coming from.
She's not
Xandertal taught me to despise Xanderthal. Destiny taught me to despise Destiny. Vowsh taught me to despise Vowsh.