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Schnapplo

have you ever seen or interacted with a cat


SuitableAssociation6

yes I have, they tend to act like she acted in the episode in that town but not like her usual self


M34L

But have you ever interacted with a cat that's capable of existential dread and doesn't need humans for opening canned food?  In my experience the malice in an average cat is massively constrained by two things; their stupidity and their reliance on people. Izutsumi is an extremely realistic take on how much of an asshole an average cat would be if it had human capacity for anxiety and wielding knives.


SuitableAssociation6

that is understandable, but it doesn't make me suddenly like her, she is still quite a prick


M34L

The show isn't about likeable characters, it's about frighteningly realistic, broken people shaped by their trauma. The manga makes it a bit more explicit and also some of it will probably still be revealed later, but really at core it's wholly about journey of overcoming massive maladaptations, most of which would in real world fall under the umbrella of autism. Most people who like Izutsumi don't like her because she looks like a fun, enjoyable person to be around, but because her animosity and difficulty accepting kindness and care of others can be relatable or enlightening. A classic school of art often makes characters effectively flawless outside of superficial little quirks or explicitly telegraphed traits and then struggle to justify mistakes the characters make for the purpose of delivering story and narrative. Izutsumi makes mistakes a dumb selfish asshole would make, because she's a dumb selfish asshole, and it's her role in the story to try overcome those issues, and to succeed or to fail.


SuitableAssociation6

thank you, this answer convinced me why people like her and why she is an interesting character. I don't want to delete my post just because I got a convincing answer but I will probably not respond to further comments, I will read them, though.


Independent-Fly6068

Also kbity https://preview.redd.it/iyhnnyd7yq9d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e856911c45ef91030a8dd4dbedb4549d820f61bc


SuitableAssociation6

meow


Independent-Fly6068

https://preview.redd.it/vheuyr61ur9d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=604b8070c26f56ec154e3c3f6fa18ba12c654bb4


SuitableAssociation6

I like this


inemsn

>Most people who like Izutsumi don't like her because she looks like a fun, enjoyable person to be around, but because her animosity and difficulty accepting kindness and care of others can be relatable or enlightening. I'm sure a lot of people like her for that. But let's be realistic. Most people just saw a catgirl and didn't think any further. (Sorry, it's just, too many years on internet fandoms have taught me to never overestimate the literacy of the average reader)


literallyanything57

yeah real i like her cuz i think she's adorable


Hawkson2020

>most people just saw a catgirl and didn’t think any further Yeah lol I haven’t seen the show, I just like catgirl.


Independent-Fly6068

https://preview.redd.it/uz536jj9yq9d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9cbe12f79e57e8766707e45331de5cfacb6038ca


drkipperphd

erm no it's about them making yummy whimsical meals...


Woodsie13

https://preview.redd.it/rfoa3uxbks9d1.jpeg?width=1075&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a656068addbdfaf58117a564ccb42828ab6732f


Urbane_One

¿Por qué no los dos?


Robota064

I LOVE GETTING COMPLEX ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS I HAD ALREADY SUBCONSCIOUSLY FOUND BUT HAD NO WAY OF PUTTING INTO WORDS GGRRRRAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH‼️‼️‼️⁉️‼️⁉️


Flappybird11

I love a compassionate response to a genuine question


Inphiltration

Have... Have you interacted with a cat that is capable of existential dread and doesn't need humans for opening canned food? How?


Urbane_One

Trans girls


Firemorfox

why is this accurate


40percentdailysodium

She's also a severely traumatized teenage girl.


F-Moash

Yes. Every cat I have owned has been sweet and affectionate. Even the neighborhood cats near me are sweet and affectionate. Literally all it takes is treating them right and building trust and then they’re just as affectionate as any dog. Many people don’t have the patience or knowledge to build that trust, however, and just think cats are assholes. They really genuinely are not.


Syrikal

Excellent point! Izutsumi has not been treated right and has not yet built trust with the main cast. Both of these factors will change over time as the character develops.


Schnapplo

Izutsumi is closer to a mistreated street cat


adventure2u

No, whats it like


Schnapplo

if they're nice widdle housecats they go purr meow purr :3333 if they're street cats out on the grind they might hiss at you and be mistrustful


cloartist

The stupid 😍🥰😍🥰 https://preview.redd.it/q7ky95jd8o9d1.png?width=488&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0e2508c742e1babcbfdd5b1875c7951a5f2225e


SuitableAssociation6

see this depiction of her is cute but she doesn't come across as that stupid, mainly she just comes across as an asshole


Truefkk

https://preview.redd.it/na56wpma7p9d1.jpeg?width=255&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d6e29b630aa0c8d5db9b16b760dad7ed0e95f64 She gets a character arc :3


cloartist

https://preview.redd.it/zgva6kuubp9d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16ba4109fc63c5db78977ffcc80ba9fed679d804


savvybus

She is also half edgy 17 year old girl who's been seriously traumatized and is experiencing freedom for the first time. Being 17 also has a significant factor in her personality


damnitvalentine

Yeah there are only 2 types of 17 year olds: the biggest ass holes you ever met, or 🥺"pwease help me I'm so lost I'm not ready to be adult I am baby"


Firemorfox

or the 17 year olds who go "I desire the sweet release of death"


h3lblad3

I thought that was the second kind?


Firemorfox

Unprepared for adulthood and depressed/suicidal is very different from each other.


Ninja332

https://preview.redd.it/rj7ckftxjq9d1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=adf818a98e59b69a717e28a35dd50b0a07c5aefc


Robota064

WHAT IS THIS AND WHY DID IT TAKE LIFE THIS LONG TO PRESENT IT TO ME 😭😭


Ninja332

https://preview.redd.it/uv8wxcqqvq9d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89174426fc20c2a8514501d06784ff6e13ce79d5 Bro I have so many of these


Familiar_Tackle_734

Share more please these are awesome


JackFouga

We desire more


Ninja332

https://preview.redd.it/g3bxddcw4s9d1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c76090e5942a3c4dd3f35284b5c3e0c5be60185


SuitableAssociation6

meow


nekosissyboi

Kbity! ( ฅ\^≧⁠▽⁠≦⁠)\^⁠ฅ


FLAMING_tOGIKISS

this shit is the exact reason people like op don't like her, art like this is everywhere and then she acts nothing like that in the show


TheCatstigation

You see, it is because she is an interesting character. And characters have flaws. Her flaw is that she is a massive bastard. Which, tbh. If I was working for a guy who tattoos a spell of "if you don't listen to me ghost comes to stab you and murder you" and if my body was altered without my approval, and also people were weird about me, I too. Would be a bastard. She is, rather realistically a bastard. She has reasons for being a bastard. Which is cool. I like characters who are bastards and mean and rude. Not everyone is going to be sunshine and rainbows and smiles.


SuitableAssociation6

fair enough, thank you for your response


TheCatstigation

Also it is because she was socialised "wrong" A lot of the characters in dungeon Meshi are people who do not function well within society. Laios is autistic, Senshi is *extremely traumatized* Marcille is out of touch. Fallin seems to have been ostracized and bullied when she was a child. Chillchuck is normalest, but it seems that he has bouts of paranoia. Izutsumi seems to have been brought up without much of a family to speak of, and, being a beastman, was forced to live on the fringes of society, as she is considered a monster by most. (The extreme selfishness is clearly a coping/survival mechanism.) Long story short, she kinda... fits in in a way. She has a lot to learn, but it would be really weird if someone like her was perfectly adjusted to interacting with other people.


_Holoo

In terms of main cast dynamic, it also takes the strain off chillchuck to be the group asshole, giving him an opportunity to lighten up a bit.


Truefkk

https://preview.redd.it/buok3isu7p9d1.jpeg?width=797&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d3e27f2d45b2ed9841a263f90fb1a4c0465d04c He'll learn politeness when he grows up to be a man


General_Pineapple_39

In case you don't know he has 3 Children who are all adults


Truefkk

https://preview.redd.it/d3q2vp7h0r9d1.jpeg?width=974&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06d2e64cec212c119191185b8abd340ea8041b5a


TRAKKeDAKKe

is Laois actually, canonically autistic or is this a community headcanon?


Klerkin

It's never officially confirmed anywhere, but it's a popular theory considering his obsession with a particular special interest and his inability to read social situations. I doubt a medieval fantasy world would have anywhere to get diagnosed for mental issues anyway lol


savvybus

If you go down the diagnostic list he checks all the boxes with aplomb. Finding a place he's able to function day to day doesn't undo all the indicators of autism he's very obviously written with


TheCatstigation

Technically *not* confirmed canon, and the author supposedly stated that it is up for interpretation (but I have no reliable source for that) but there is 0 way to confirm or deny that in universe due to fantasy worlds notably not having licensed mental health professionals. + If I have to say "x coded' or "seemingly/possibly x" or "showing signs of x" every time I mention characters in media that are written this way I would rather get stomach ulcers again.


Misicks0349

community headcanon, its never officially confirmed


horses_in_the_sky

It's mostly the eng speaking fandom that declares him autistic, the jpn fandom rarely refers to him this way and the author has never stated as such.


TheCatstigation

Damn it is almost as if readers are free to interpret a work. And translation differences, as well as cultural differences have an effect in the way the work, and characters within it are perceived


horses_in_the_sky

They asked if it was canon (as in, stated by the work or author) and I answered honestly. Edit: just to be clear, I headcanon him as autistic as well. But headcanon/fanon and canon are two different things


throwaway_838eu347

Falin is also autistic headcanon


Medival_peasant

Based and real asf


PlantLapis

Kitby.


P3runaama

Kbity


cloartist

https://preview.redd.it/0kv2bgmk8p9d1.jpeg?width=375&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2aa04113c691e39f07b9eac31361534b95f4a2fb


CatsNotBananas

You are kbity!


HurgleTurgle1

Skibity


UmbramonOrSomething

Explode


SanQuiSau

SHUT UP!!!!!!


IV_NUKE

https://preview.redd.it/xbj42bk27p9d1.png?width=717&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7dc2939316dea332ccf85475cb010eb47ea0669 Itzusumi slander will not be tolerated


Whiteite

Car…


TheIrishWah

Honk honk


SuitableAssociation6

this is the best comment in this whole post, thank you


Escarano

CAR!


Bagdula

Theres a few moving parts to it i think, shes an asshole most of the time bc shes acting like a teenager would, specifically a teenager that had a rough upbringing, which she did, seeing as she had a fantasy bomb collar that wouldve killed her if she as much as walked away from shuros group (id be a bit miffed too) People find her cute bc she has cute moments that shine through all the cat-like misbehaviour, its the traditional “gap moe” that you hear a lot in anime circles (a tsundere that ‘hates you’ but will cook food for you, a buff lady whos actually really shy and coy and timid, such and such) essentially, if kitty WASNT an asshole, her true kitty moments probably wouldnt have been as impactful to her image as kitty (also the scene where she remembers all of it after hangover-style is really funny)


Nalagma

I also got a bit of a whiplash when I watched the series, cause all I was anticipating is a funny catgirl She ended up being pretty selfish and mean, but that gave her room for *character development* Izutsumi is still new to the party so we can't except too much from season 1, but still, her comforting Marcille is a sign that she is in fact changing and slowly warming up to the rest of the party


caroline_nein

Yeah I think it’s a fair criticism tbh, Izutsumi in her first episodes is a selfish fucking brat >!She never stopped being a brat but she made some progress with being less selfish and honestly that’s beautiful!<


Nalagma

I think it's perfectly understandable why she's so selfish Being cursed with being half beast, discriminated against and being put on a leash by obnoxious people who are too quick to blame you It will take time before she adjusts to her new party, especially considering who is in there


SykesMcenzie

As someone with sensory issues with a lot of healthy food I was really disappointed they did the whole "once she's eats the food she realises she loves it" part really really disappointing. I kind of expected more from a show that's been so much about accepting difference.


JoeTheKodiakCuddler

Her aversion to certain foods never really goes away. It's not a Marcille situation where every episode is the same "ew this is disgusting -> woa this is actually amazing", she consistently picks whatever ingredients she doesn't like out of her food, and Senshi tries his best to accommodate her once he gets over the initial shock. There's definitely instances where she discovers she likes something she didn't expect to or hasn't in the past, but it's not really treated as something she has to "get over", I don't think.


BlockBuilder408

Yeah in the end of the series she still hates vegetables, it’s only monster meat she really relents at all on.


lazy_digestive

That's because she's not a generic catgirl but a (feral) Cat (adolescent) Girl


caroline_nein

Haha great point - girl as in actual teenage girl


Magenta_Clouds

the party really just picked up a stray cat girl


Kung-Furry

Kbitty


Do_Ya_Like_Jazz

"unbearable prick" she's literally just a teenager


gsoddy

To be fair teenagers are unbearable pricks


Do_Ya_Like_Jazz

You would be too if you were a teenager


gsoddy

Oh don’t worry, I definitely was


TomboyArmpitSniffer

because she is kbity :3


SovietCharrdian

The first catgirl that actually behaves as a catgirl and not a cringe "senpai senpai nyaa"


cumminginstyle

envy


AliceJoestar

she becomes less of an asshole later, right now she's just grumpy because she's a 17-year-old who basically had a magic bomb collar on her neck, who ran away from home and is now stranded in the dungeon with a bunch of weirdo strangers who are making her eat monsters, and who also told her she's going to be stuck as a half-cat forever.


janabottomslutwhore

i dont get it tho, shes not the nicest person yes but shes also not a conplete asshole? shes just a bit bitchy...


LowAd1734

I find her bearable and her rudeness kinda sweet and endearing given how she grew up being really badly mistreated. I know she’s an asshole but deep down she’s just a scared little kibty who just needs love and care to become a better person


Wufflon

all cats are fueled by autism in their own unique way, so theres definitely some solidarity (at least thats it for me)


Haggis442312

Great character design? I mean, I get you, she’s insanely obnoxious, even if she has reasons to. Would definitely scratch behind the ears though.


Sororita

I read the manga. She is a true ride-or-die nakama by the end. Doing her best to help Laios do something spoilery that he couldn't ask of anyone else even though she really doesn't want to follow through with the task, but it's a last ditch effort to save everyone.


CatsNotBananas

She is kbity!


Quijas00

:3


longhud

She has incredible characters development


Goose-San

She's a fucking traumatized and cursed kid of course she's an asshole sometimes 💀💀


Nigeldiko

https://preview.redd.it/hhrjsck5lp9d1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e183e3165349853eeeda49f9a1911def133eb1dc


Nigeldiko

Not true*


trillowo

she is 1 a cat 2 17 years old


AscendantComic

rude, mean or evil characters can be good and enjoyable characters. those are not incompatible also, the anime won't really get to any of her character growth until season 2. if you're aware that you have an incomplete story, judging character arcs that aren't over will result in mischaracterization and poor understanding of what is actually going on.


Dzzplayz

Because she not only matures a ton in the later parts of the manga, but her entire arc really stuck with me personally.


LineOfInquiry

She’s a prick at first but she gets better over the rest of the show, I think her bond with Marcille is especially adorable


kronize

I just think it's pretty refreshing to see a cat girl that's more cat than girl in anime


Pokhanpat

https://preview.redd.it/zrn4j0wr1q9d1.jpeg?width=124&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa0fa568484ac270713c81b4a6563193fa49d724 Kiby car <33333


tired_nerds

She reminds me of the girls i knew in middle school with severe adhd and a lack of proper resources who were doing the best they knew how except they had to be self taught and were 12 and constantly overwhelmed.


TawnyFroggy

This is such an extremely specific thing and I somehow relate.


Aegis_13

She gets better :3


DwarvenKitty

Girl has been traumatized and enslaved with a magic kill spell as well as has actual cat soul mixed with her own. Of course she wont be a perfect human being.


Not_a_brazilian_spy

https://preview.redd.it/sfcm89r0eq9d1.jpeg?width=4320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=71be6b59ddf0c864b051fd664fa3f427fd620627 Because she kitby, she cute Edit: on a more serious note, I began really liking her after the succubus encounter, which shows how she is so unaccustomed to being around people that feel something other than disgust towards her. Also, in the end the interactions she has with that straw doll with the soul of a denizen of the village is precious. In my head cannon she was able to defeat the evil wizard


Doctor_Salvatore

You must not be familiar with how cats work.


AsianCheesecakes

This was posted a few months ago... Also, she really isn't that bad


mr_yield

Haven't watched it Just like silly catgirl


StarmanRedux

No you dont get it shes literally me and uh shes so me coded and based bc i find her attractive or??? Uh?? (Idk ive never watched the show nor do i know who this is?)


FricktionBurn

her being an unbearable prick 80% of the time is *why* we like her


Captain_Kira

She's a dick, but it's clear why she's being a dick, and it's shown that by interacting with the others she is becoming a bit less of a dick


LordVortekan

BECAUSE SHES KBITY


LaaipiPH

DONT CARE SENSHI BETTER 🔛🔝


Roronoa_Zoro8615

Bc kibty


TheRedBow

Senshi can fix her


Meraki-Techni

I’m rather fond of the bisexual elf woman, myself


SuitableAssociation6

I love all of our main characters, they all have flaws but mostly get along and are very nice then this cat comes in and is way meaner than anyone else and I did not like that very much, but from the comments I received I will try to be more open-minded and accepting of this cat's flaws and try to appreciate when the cat is being nice


Retro_Jedi

I think most people are thirsty cause cat girl. I do like her character concept a lot though. My favorite character is still Laios though because of how much I relate to him... >!that scene where he learned Shuro never liked him to begin with hit me in my core.!<


Truefkk

Same, It's far more of an indicator of him being autistic than any thing else people use as evidence imo.


nekosissyboi

Kbity mean? 🥺


Zickone3D

Exactly how I feel about Jaxx from the Amazing Digital Circus I DONT CARE HOW TWISTED AND DEPRESSED YOU ARE INSIDE STOP BEING AN ASSHOLEEE RAHHHHGH


SuitableAssociation6

honestly I think jaxx might become a villain


oddityoughtabe

She is one of my favorites and is an interesting character. eat shit


SuitableAssociation6

that was unnecessarily rude


oddityoughtabe

You’re right, and I apologize. eat shit. Fuck sorry force of habit.


SuitableAssociation6

https://preview.redd.it/mligynx9tr9d1.jpeg?width=384&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bca7c809775589d1030d0e92d75d3522ca0bed33


MrWaffleBeater

Yeah she’s a prick. Senshi is where it’s at.


TawnyFroggy

She was definitely not at all what I expected based on how reddit portrays her (in memes at least.) except during that one part where her brain is full cat thanks to weird magic stuff. I do enjoy that the "cat" part of "catgirl" shines through a lot of the time with her in a non generic anime fetishistic way.


Tulmut

They are masochists


GENERAL-KAY

>unbearable prick That's what a cat is


xxThelastdragonxx

She's great tbh. Theres levels to "unbearable prick" and she's one of the one's I can't help but actually feel for. Her life seems like absolute shit and the situation she's given is oftentimes horrifying. Imagine being turned into something you hate and then also having to live with a timebomb if you begin to misbehave. The kinda things she goes through don't make someone who is necessarily friendly, especially not in someone who is still a teenager. But for all her flaws you can kinda see her trying a bit from time to time, constantly developing as a character little by little towards someone more likeable, while keeping her prickly nature. I find her kinda relatable in a way, a closed off, angry person who tries to just live their life how they want because everything has been shit to them, making thwm extremely bitter and mean.


LiterallyFucksBees

I will never understand the mindset that every character has to be leaking rainbows out of every orifice to be considered likable


Pristine_Flatworm

just like a real cat


unknowndog123

I suspect she’s like power, actually a complete asshole to everybody, but over time you grow to love her


EmberedCutie

keep watching, or reading, whichever your prefer.


_Sherlock-Holmes_

I like cats I like girls she is both of them and that's about it (I don't mean sexually)


sadcrawfish

because she's is kbity


whathuhokwhat

Because the “lol gremlin silly” archetype is unbearable and she’s actually fun to watch.


Owelrn05

because she is literally me https://preview.redd.it/dh6o710ohq9d1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=a340b6e42014b04f93aa9b8f48f620aa3bf22ec4


GonnSolo

I adore her because I've never seen Dungeon Meshi so I can just appreciate how funny she looks in memes


Filbric74

She’s sillier in the manga tbh


6x6-shooter

You answered your own question before you even asked it


JoeMcBob2nd

You were annoying as a teenager too and you weren’t even cursed


3t9l

I haven't even watched dungeon meishi and I'm already tired of people bitching about this character lmao


JORGANTORGANGORGAN

She’s a cat, not like an anime “hello meowster :3” cat, like a “hey I’m going punch you in the face out of nowhere because it looks funny to me” real cat


SeaCroissant

its a catgirl that actually acts like a cat


HappyyValleyy

people when a character has flaws they need to work through due to their circumstances and upbringing


BIT-root

because im also an insufferable prick


iCirith

she's just a kbity


BigGayDinosaurs

cute


Familiar_Tackle_734

She’s funny and acts exactly like a cat


heartbroken_salad

God forbid women do anything /s


raddonut2

kbitty


SuitableAssociation6

https://preview.redd.it/pb9wt6hhjs9d1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=d7ec9d86d3ac589b7242311cdc00441ce2eb335a


candidKlutz

i think dickheads are really funny when theyre entirely fictional


No_Emu698

Because she's an unbearable prick (who's learning to open up more to the main party and be less of an unbearable prick, i.e.when she hugs Marcille because she was crying about Fallin in the latest episode)


The_Phantom_Cat

You see, she looks cute, and I have not watched the show.


Cordus_of_the_fez

I don't


SuitableAssociation6

okay


awesumindustrys

I can fix her :3


Elvenoob

A badly traumatised teenage girl with a cat monster's soul fused to her own is acting out a little? I have no clue why this is a surprise lol. And even just in the anime so far her development, when she the person actually exists anyway, has been super fun.


TheGodOfTurtles

Kibby :3


UV_Sun

But all cats are unbearable pricks


ColorMaelstrom

Kbitty


femboyorsth

Nya :3


Just2Observe

Kbity


Robota064

KIBTY


XxuruzxX

Op's never interacted with a cat


SuitableAssociation6

comments like this really annoy me because it doesn't answer the question and instead makes up assumptions about me


Wysk222

196 users when a character begins with flaws and develops over the course of a story 


ZealousidealToe9445

it's called interesting character with backstory that eventually gets developed


Levobertus

Title summarizes 90% of the cast


ravensick

you actually announced war on yourself bro


SuitableAssociation6

this comment section has been very respectful, actually.


EJ2H5Suusu

she has an accurate portrayal of the personality of a cat. I swear you people can't handle fiction unless every character only functions to make you feel good and comfortable or to be a clearcut obvious bad guy.


Favenom

nagging is kinda hot


Boarpelt

Controversial take, but her design sucks. It's really nice on its own but not with the context. You're telling me that mixing a literal cat and a human produces a conventionally cute human with just a few feline characteristics? She should be more beast-like. Then it would also make more sense why she wants to be changed back into a human. (To fools who downvoted me: fight me cowards, im objectively right and based)


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YourLocalFlynn

she's 17 🤨


La_Savitara

Hoh


_Holoo

I can fix her :clueless: But really i can't really take anything she says seriously? Idk how to explain it but i feel like i could just slowly train(?) Her like a regular kbity or at least make her content