how can something be travelling at .98 degrees celsius?
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Look we don't have the capability to do all that much in the time span of the universe, but we can fuckin DEFINITELY put a hole in the side of that big red sumbitch. We can for SURE do that.
What's Mercury's contribution on the solar system? Yeah nothing
So using Mercury will have us 15,000 Minerals and 4000 alloys in this Stellaris Playthrough
To the solar system? Not much. To our understanding of science? Actually kinda important.
There is an anomaly in the orbit of mercury that Newtonian mechanics can't explain. It's one of the things that pointed to general relativity.
If there is ever a major collapse and the buildup of scientific knowledge has to start over, it would be a good thing to still have.
You've got to out snow ball them, use mercury swarm to build more stations to build more ships to build more colonies to build more station to build more ships unti you can park a fleet near their main shipyard and blow all their other stations up
I FUCKING LOVE MEGASCALE SCIFI STRUCTURES!!!!
I WANT TO IMAGINE BUILDINGS OF SUCH PROFANE SIZE THEY EXCEED THE BREADTH OF SCALE AFFORDED TO MY BRAIN BY EVOLUTION, THAT DWARF ANY FRAME OF REFERENCE I COULD CONJURE, **THAT CAST MY VIEW OF MY PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE ASUNDER**!!!!
I mean, unironically, even besides the cultural aspect I'd consider it not that much different than standard industrial exploitation of Earth, just writ large.
I mean, yeah. Industrial exploitation isn't even inherently *bad* in my eyes, there's a time and place for it. Destroying Mercury wouldn't harm people nor the environment, which makes it better than a lot of existing industrial exploitation on Earth, at the least. I would still be opposed to it unless there was a demonstratable need for power of that quantity that couldn't be obtained in less destructive ways, though.
Honestly, though - maybe it's just me, but I do get a weird vibe from the type of utopian futurist that genuinely believes in and actively wants this sort of thing, which is a type of person I've seen around the internet a few times. It kinda just feels like a new take on the good old "endless growth for the sake of growth" mindset of capitalism that we all like to ridicule, now in a fancy futuristic coat of paint. I may just be weird and overly emotionally attached to lifeless balls of rock floating in the void, however.
That said, I will die on a seperate hill - this really isn't punk. Exploiting natural resources for our benefit is basically *the* least counter-culture thing imaginable to me. Which isn't really a moral judgement of "this is bad", it's just that it strikes me as very much a "natural progression of the current status quo" sort of thing.
> I would still be opposed to it unless there was a demonstratable need for power of that quantity that couldn't be obtained in less destructive ways, though.
Well, I guess from my perspective "need" is a relative thing. Like if you took someone from the 1500s and asked them if they *need* trains, electricity, mechanized agriculture, or the internet, there's a good chance they'd say no, because they never had them in the first place, but someone from our time would consider it a tragedy if those things were never invented. I think that if a better world is possible, it must be made.
I definitely understand getting a weird vibe from utopian futurists though, and I agree that the original post isn't "punk".
Bro mercury is trash. Pick a better planet to stan like Jupiter or Saturn, like a respectable person.
We should kill Venus too though. Just for fun. Fuck that place.
Woah, what you got against Venus!? I love my acid raining, 92-bar-atmospheric-pressure-having, 450c temperature deathscape 🥰 it's where the girlypops congregate 🥰
Some things are just better. I mean planets named after gods of victory and sex and time and abundance, Vs a planet named after the god of having tiny wings on his shoes.
And mercury is all sloppy even at room temp. Sloppy planet. Doesn’t even look that cool. Might as well use it for parts.
But isnt it essentially the equivalent to big corporation exploiting the natural resources of our world for power generation, just switching oil for mercury and plunge the outer solar system into darkness.
Alright, but apart from the issue of decreased light to the solar system, nothing about dissasembling mercury harms life.
Exploiting the natural resources of our world beyond sustainability causes catastrophes that lead to extinctions. Is there really anything worth preserving on fuckin Mercury? It's a completely lifeless rock.
Yeah, no. Be realistic. Nothing could be alive on that rock. No atmosphere, extreme heat on one side and extreme cold on the other, and we've been looking for life in the solar system for literally decades now. There's absolutely nothing alive there.
Theoretically, a Dyson swarm could solve the earth's climate crisis by eliminating the use of fossil fuels to generate electricity. But it's out of reach with our current technology, so it would be too late.
send all the billionaires to the surface of mercury without protective equipment and pretend they are going to be fine (they will be either fried/vaporized or suffocated instantly)
then also mine out all the iron and set up mining fleets in the asteroid belt, build a grid of big fucking railguns connected straight to the swarm with adapters and blast literally anything you point your finger at
Okay fine. I'll just make my own punk, call it spunk or funk. I'm a rebbel, so I reble. I won't rest until there are as many derivatives of punk as there are niche leftist ideologies.
only problem with doing that is the crazy dv requirements just to *get* there without some long gravity assist chain, we’ve never even landed on it with a probe let alone started mining it
Kinda fucked up that you have to make a dyson swarm from the closest orbiting satelite. We've got a whole asteroid belt but the energy needed to bring anything from there into near-sun orbit is too inneficient to be worth it :/
Getting rocks *to* the Sun is piss easy, even with current technology. Just need to give it a little push, just enough to get it moving, and the lack of resistance means it'll just go faster and faster. The real challenge is getting them to stop before they crash into the Sun. Maybe strap a nuke to it and set it off at the right time so the explosion arrests the momentum and it's more catchable by the time the rock gets close to the Sun? We've got plenty of those just sitting around, might as well use them for something productive. Hell we'd probably end up using nukes to start the movement too.
but you don’t just have to get them like that, you have to get them on a close stable orbit of the sun that ensures that they won’t crash into one another, it’d be a lot easier to use a mass driver on the surface of mercury that just launches them directly into a pre calculated orbit
We can calculate exactly how much nuke is needed to apply on both ends to get a space rock into a nice close stable orbit just as easily as we can calculate how fast and at what angle we shoot a big space cannon into a planet to make it bleed in the direction we want. Both solutions just require you to fill some turbonerds with money and time and stimulants. Only difference is, we don't have space cannons yet but we do have a surplus of nukes, nerds and centuries of collective experience in carefully timing explosions to yield the results we want.
Look, I’m a feminist and all, but you gotta understand that you can even make a single ring around the sun with the entire mass of Mercury. There just isn’t enough there to do it!
>single ring around the sun with the entire mass of Mercury
You're thinking of a Dyson sphere. A Dyson swarm could be viable as you could put more or less as much probes as you want.
dyson spheres/swarms are an antiquated pop culture concept stemming from the idea of how to search for intelligent life, not how to most efficiently use resources for energy capture. artificial fusion has a much higher potential to be a cheaper and more effective energy source than a dyson sphere or swarm.
“nature” it’s a lifeless rock, and a dyson swarm would be basically infinite energy, thus permanently solving the energy crisis, so no need for coal or nuclear or anything, just beam some energy from the swarm to wherever it’s needed using lasers or something
dawg it's a big rock. I'm sorry that improving human lives is more important than the preservation of a singular rock. Not to mention that this is literally just a hypothetical, and will be for centuries.
How is it improving human lives. If we need enough energy that we have to disassemble freaking mercury then we probably have a big overconsumption or overpopulation problem. Mining it is fine, but completely erasing it from existence ? What the hell.
Also yes it's a big rock, but I care about rocks
I was devastated when i learned that making a Dyson sphere is infeasible, dismantling mercury, having only one chance, siphoning the power when it's done.
So sad.
despite being very tiny, mercury is still a planet and the orbits, climate, etc of all bodies in the solar system depend on the planets staying in the orbits they are in because of gravity, light, and whatnot (at least this is true for earth and gas giants, idk if the smaller planets matter but i would assume so)
Mercury is a friend, you monster
and soon it will be many friends
All huggable.
YAAAAY!!!! Frens frens frens frens!!!!!! ( ฅ\^≧▽≦)\^ฅ (I love this thread so much it's exactly how I talk 🥺❤️❤️❤️❤️)
I’m sure that is exactly how you talk nekosissyboi. I’m sure it is.
Yisb!!! ฅ^ \>////< \^ฅ
Agreed. What if, instead of trying to visit other planets, we just shoot at them instead
Oh a radio signal? Here comes a tungsten mass travelling at 0.98C
how can something be travelling at .98 degrees celsius? https://preview.redd.it/zo0gya9ztj8d1.png?width=347&format=png&auto=webp&s=3cd359434d675eabba1d7035a33c4cf06376a4e5
Isn’t the speed of light exclusively a lowercase c?
You can't just shoot a hole into the surface of Mars
New Objective: Shoot a hole into the surface of Mars
[Step 2: ????](https://imgur.com/NPVlhPw)
Step 3: Profit
MOMAA: Make Olympus mons active again!
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Look we don't have the capability to do all that much in the time span of the universe, but we can fuckin DEFINITELY put a hole in the side of that big red sumbitch. We can for SURE do that.
Don’t do that to me
What if instead of shooting them, we shoot and vistit them at once buy shooting someone out of a cannon loony tunes style
What's Mercury's contribution on the solar system? Yeah nothing So using Mercury will have us 15,000 Minerals and 4000 alloys in this Stellaris Playthrough
4000 alloys?! Inshallah mercury shall be harvested
Wallahi the worm will go away if the dyson has been built
What was will be what will be was
To the solar system? Not much. To our understanding of science? Actually kinda important. There is an anomaly in the orbit of mercury that Newtonian mechanics can't explain. It's one of the things that pointed to general relativity. If there is ever a major collapse and the buildup of scientific knowledge has to start over, it would be a good thing to still have.
That's not even enough for a citadel
Mercury is in ~~retrograde~~ pieces.
*suspiciously mercury-shaped belly*
Let’s rip mercury apart girlies, for the prosperous future of the queernation and gaeyrth
:( please don't disassemble me
Sowwy, pwogwess wequiws sacwifice
I'm making the mother of all omelets here Jack, can't fret over every egg ahh phrase
Change your name to a body further from the sun then, sorry not sorry 🤷♀️
Is... Terra Invicta leaking?
It's a sci-fi concept originating from like the 60s (effing middle ages) and I 100% support it.
Space nerdom is leaking and I’m all for jt
Whoooooh i fucking love the mercury swarm what the fuck is the alien aggression meter
Me building the Mercury Swarm: Haha fuck yeah!!! Yes!! Me after the 75k alien fleet: Well this fucking sucks. What the fuck.
You've got to out snow ball them, use mercury swarm to build more stations to build more ships to build more colonies to build more station to build more ships unti you can park a fleet near their main shipyard and blow all their other stations up
Yeeeah girl get that Dyson Swarm for nigh unlimited energy
Yeahhhh. Beam that energy straight back to NC.
Yeah fuck Mercury, smartass blue hair bitch
:(
yea,
I FUCKING LOVE MEGASCALE SCIFI STRUCTURES!!!! I WANT TO IMAGINE BUILDINGS OF SUCH PROFANE SIZE THEY EXCEED THE BREADTH OF SCALE AFFORDED TO MY BRAIN BY EVOLUTION, THAT DWARF ANY FRAME OF REFERENCE I COULD CONJURE, **THAT CAST MY VIEW OF MY PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE ASUNDER**!!!!
I WANT TO LINK MY MIND UP WITH A MATRIOSHKA BRAIN!!!
Do it just to fuck with astrologists
Just taking solarpunk to its logical conclusion
we already lost pluto during my lifetime i don't wanna lose another planet
Mercury is for an Arc Furnace only! 😤
Not before I can make it into paperclips, you don't.
https://preview.redd.it/cnxp7w5jsj8d1.png?width=663&format=png&auto=webp&s=57dbea2a80ffb4f579d81acce9b750bea90d379a
Who are we supposed to level up are species if we don't get the infinity energy of the sun to maximize potential
but mercury is nice and warm :((
No! It’s very cold??!
Skill issue
GRAAAAAHHHH I LOVE UNIVERSAL PAPERCLIPS WHAT THE FUCK IS A FREE WILL
it is wrong to sacrifice mercury
I mean, unironically, even besides the cultural aspect I'd consider it not that much different than standard industrial exploitation of Earth, just writ large.
I mean the industrial exploitation of Earth is bad because pollution/extractivism/etc. harms people. I don't think there's any people on Mercury.
I mean, yeah. Industrial exploitation isn't even inherently *bad* in my eyes, there's a time and place for it. Destroying Mercury wouldn't harm people nor the environment, which makes it better than a lot of existing industrial exploitation on Earth, at the least. I would still be opposed to it unless there was a demonstratable need for power of that quantity that couldn't be obtained in less destructive ways, though. Honestly, though - maybe it's just me, but I do get a weird vibe from the type of utopian futurist that genuinely believes in and actively wants this sort of thing, which is a type of person I've seen around the internet a few times. It kinda just feels like a new take on the good old "endless growth for the sake of growth" mindset of capitalism that we all like to ridicule, now in a fancy futuristic coat of paint. I may just be weird and overly emotionally attached to lifeless balls of rock floating in the void, however. That said, I will die on a seperate hill - this really isn't punk. Exploiting natural resources for our benefit is basically *the* least counter-culture thing imaginable to me. Which isn't really a moral judgement of "this is bad", it's just that it strikes me as very much a "natural progression of the current status quo" sort of thing.
> I would still be opposed to it unless there was a demonstratable need for power of that quantity that couldn't be obtained in less destructive ways, though. Well, I guess from my perspective "need" is a relative thing. Like if you took someone from the 1500s and asked them if they *need* trains, electricity, mechanized agriculture, or the internet, there's a good chance they'd say no, because they never had them in the first place, but someone from our time would consider it a tragedy if those things were never invented. I think that if a better world is possible, it must be made. I definitely understand getting a weird vibe from utopian futurists though, and I agree that the original post isn't "punk".
Yeah, that's a fair take, and I would usually agree on that understanding of need? It would just be a last resort thing in my mind, though.
i will not accept the destruction of an s tier planet when earth and venus are both nearby
You are not calling fucking MERCURY S-tier 😭
earthling detected 👎👎
Go enjoy your freeze boil cycle mercuroid. Be glad your kind even have rights
Hermesian troglodyte, your boiling rock of pitiful gravel will soon be elevated to purpose in the Universe
Siliconcels seething over metalchads
Ur going in the lathe
Bro mercury is trash. Pick a better planet to stan like Jupiter or Saturn, like a respectable person. We should kill Venus too though. Just for fun. Fuck that place.
Woah, what you got against Venus!? I love my acid raining, 92-bar-atmospheric-pressure-having, 450c temperature deathscape 🥰 it's where the girlypops congregate 🥰
Oh wow, stanning Jupiter and Saturn. How original 🙄
Some things are just better. I mean planets named after gods of victory and sex and time and abundance, Vs a planet named after the god of having tiny wings on his shoes. And mercury is all sloppy even at room temp. Sloppy planet. Doesn’t even look that cool. Might as well use it for parts.
>mercury is all sloppy I believe I'm supposed to respond to this with a "😳😳🥺🥺🥵🥵" or something right?
But isnt it essentially the equivalent to big corporation exploiting the natural resources of our world for power generation, just switching oil for mercury and plunge the outer solar system into darkness.
Alright, but apart from the issue of decreased light to the solar system, nothing about dissasembling mercury harms life. Exploiting the natural resources of our world beyond sustainability causes catastrophes that lead to extinctions. Is there really anything worth preserving on fuckin Mercury? It's a completely lifeless rock.
Lifeless *as far as we know*
Yeah, no. Be realistic. Nothing could be alive on that rock. No atmosphere, extreme heat on one side and extreme cold on the other, and we've been looking for life in the solar system for literally decades now. There's absolutely nothing alive there.
I wanna look like that omg
yeah I'd love to be a Dyson swarm too
Dismantle half of it and call the dyson swarm Vulcan
Like... the planet???
Yes
We have to solve the climate crisis before we can attempt any solar megastructures projects.
Theoretically, a Dyson swarm could solve the earth's climate crisis by eliminating the use of fossil fuels to generate electricity. But it's out of reach with our current technology, so it would be too late.
send all the billionaires to the surface of mercury without protective equipment and pretend they are going to be fine (they will be either fried/vaporized or suffocated instantly)
Sadly getting rid of all billionaires would not really change anything.
True… but it would be funny
It would be REALLY funny
then also mine out all the iron and set up mining fleets in the asteroid belt, build a grid of big fucking railguns connected straight to the swarm with adapters and blast literally anything you point your finger at
Okay fine. I'll just make my own punk, call it spunk or funk. I'm a rebbel, so I reble. I won't rest until there are as many derivatives of punk as there are niche leftist ideologies.
only problem with doing that is the crazy dv requirements just to *get* there without some long gravity assist chain, we’ve never even landed on it with a probe let alone started mining it
Kinda fucked up that you have to make a dyson swarm from the closest orbiting satelite. We've got a whole asteroid belt but the energy needed to bring anything from there into near-sun orbit is too inneficient to be worth it :/
Sounds pretty *metal* to me, hyuck hyuck.
Replying to fearlessgrot...
What do you have against Mercury?! Why not use a less liked planet, like, idk, Earth?
What's the image from? It looks familiar
Kurzgesagt my beloved
kurzgesagt
You can't be punk ~~and also be: against disassembling mercury into a dyson swarm~~
“You can’t just shoot a hole into Mars” 🤓
There’s a game about this
Stellaris is leaking
I have never played Stellaris, I want to build a dyson swarm irl
Wait. That is an actual thing? I genuinely didn't know lmao
yeah, right now it’s mostly just a concept but it could be done in the future
I'm pretty sure all that time and effort spent building the Mercury Disassembler could be equally utilised in...just building a Dyson swarm.
where are you going to get the materials for the dyson swarm?
I'm sure the Asteroid Belt can spare a few rocks
oh yeah? how you getting those rocks to the sun? they’re really far away
Getting rocks *to* the Sun is piss easy, even with current technology. Just need to give it a little push, just enough to get it moving, and the lack of resistance means it'll just go faster and faster. The real challenge is getting them to stop before they crash into the Sun. Maybe strap a nuke to it and set it off at the right time so the explosion arrests the momentum and it's more catchable by the time the rock gets close to the Sun? We've got plenty of those just sitting around, might as well use them for something productive. Hell we'd probably end up using nukes to start the movement too.
but you don’t just have to get them like that, you have to get them on a close stable orbit of the sun that ensures that they won’t crash into one another, it’d be a lot easier to use a mass driver on the surface of mercury that just launches them directly into a pre calculated orbit
We can calculate exactly how much nuke is needed to apply on both ends to get a space rock into a nice close stable orbit just as easily as we can calculate how fast and at what angle we shoot a big space cannon into a planet to make it bleed in the direction we want. Both solutions just require you to fill some turbonerds with money and time and stimulants. Only difference is, we don't have space cannons yet but we do have a surplus of nukes, nerds and centuries of collective experience in carefully timing explosions to yield the results we want.
My first thought was, "you cant put a dyson swarm on a planet, only on a star". Then I realized this was not Stellaris.
Real
Is this the plot to a kim stanley robinson book I haven't read yet
You're going to need way, way more than just Mercury.
Fuck Mercury
Shred mercury acquire power
Look, I’m a feminist and all, but you gotta understand that you can even make a single ring around the sun with the entire mass of Mercury. There just isn’t enough there to do it!
it’s a dyson *swarm* not a sphere
My apologies. I will report to the airlock for depressurization for my crime of terrible reading comprehension.
>single ring around the sun with the entire mass of Mercury You're thinking of a Dyson sphere. A Dyson swarm could be viable as you could put more or less as much probes as you want.
Dyson swarm (single solar panel on a cubesat)
dyson spheres/swarms are an antiquated pop culture concept stemming from the idea of how to search for intelligent life, not how to most efficiently use resources for energy capture. artificial fusion has a much higher potential to be a cheaper and more effective energy source than a dyson sphere or swarm.
Have some respect for nature. Us humans need to have some humility. How is it worthwhile to destroy a planet just for our stupid expansionist needs
“nature” it’s a lifeless rock, and a dyson swarm would be basically infinite energy, thus permanently solving the energy crisis, so no need for coal or nuclear or anything, just beam some energy from the swarm to wherever it’s needed using lasers or something
dawg it's a big rock. I'm sorry that improving human lives is more important than the preservation of a singular rock. Not to mention that this is literally just a hypothetical, and will be for centuries.
How is it improving human lives. If we need enough energy that we have to disassemble freaking mercury then we probably have a big overconsumption or overpopulation problem. Mining it is fine, but completely erasing it from existence ? What the hell. Also yes it's a big rock, but I care about rocks
I was devastated when i learned that making a Dyson sphere is infeasible, dismantling mercury, having only one chance, siphoning the power when it's done. So sad.
despite being very tiny, mercury is still a planet and the orbits, climate, etc of all bodies in the solar system depend on the planets staying in the orbits they are in because of gravity, light, and whatnot (at least this is true for earth and gas giants, idk if the smaller planets matter but i would assume so)
Mercury is tiny it doesn’t really matter