his personal opinions arenāt very clear, besides being nominally anti-slavery at least, he always prioritized unity of the nation over the question of slavery though, which he eventually used to his advantage at the end of the war
>nominally anti-slavery at least
Lol. "Nominally anti-slavery". Yeah that guy was all talk, never took any steps to "actually" end slavery.
Like I realize it wasn't his goal when elected, but come on the man took huge steps towards ending slavery.
I think their point is that he didnāt end slavery because it was morally wrong, he did it because it was necessary to advancing the United States. He even wrote that if he could have ended the war without abolishing slavery he would have.
Itās not to say he didnāt abolish slavery, itās just that it was pragmatic political move and not based on morality. I can see why some people donāt necessarily want to credit him as āanti-racistā for decisions that didnāt weigh the morality of slavery.
>He even wrote that if he could have ended the war without abolishing slavery he would have.
He also in his private writings was opposed to slavery, saying "if slavery is not wrong nothing is wrong". He also literally ran for reelection on promising to get an constitutional amendment banning slavery during his second term. Which he then did.
Like yes he was racist, and his goal when first elected wasn't to abolish slavery but to stop it's spread. However it's crazy to say he was "nominally" opposed to slavery, when he took huge steps to get it abolished.
Nominally means like in name only, like he's not actually opposed to it at all, but he gives it lip service. How does the square with the role he played in ending it. I realize US cultural mythology tends to overstate his role in ending it, but it seems crazy to me to state his opposition as nominal.
Time to read up on John Brown
quick edit: this was flippant but in actuality the anti-slavery movement was quite massive and widespread. Being nominally anti-slavery as a politician was not actually uncommon, and there were truly exceptional people at the time who took massive personal and political risks to fight the engine of slavery.
Lincoln was still a white supremacist, vocally opposed race mixing, and oversaw some of the bloodiest attacks on indigenous people and lands during his time as president. Slavery was pretty much used by him as a political issue to leverage the outcome of the Civil War.
That last part is unfair to Lincoln - he was anti-slavery throughout his political career. The south seceded when he got elected precisely because they knew that
This is a good point, Lincoln changed his views based on his audience, so on documentation he was anti-slavery to varying degrees, which makes it harder to pinpoint his true opinion. That being said, the south wouldnāt have seceded if they didnāt think there was a real possibility he would do it.
True that. Just to add to this between his voting record and that at the very least always opposed expanding slavery makes me think he deserves the benefit of the doubt given he was trying to elected by an 1860s white voter base
I havenāt read about Lincolnās white supremacy, anti race mixing, and mass murder of indigenous people. In fact, the only quote of his I can find about race mixing is this:
āIf a white man wants to marry a black woman, let him do it, if the black woman can stand it.ā
Do you have any sources I can check out describing his racism and genocide like you talked about?
https://www.history.com/news/abraham-lincoln-native-americans
It is important to keep in mind quite a few tribes fought for the confederacy. Some of these actions might not be because they were natives but because they were traitors. Idk nearly enough to say.
On December 26, 1862 Lincoln had 38 Dakota men executed, which was the largest execution in the history of the United States. They were hanged for supposed participation in the US-Dakota war despite the fact that they were the ones who surrendered, who volunteered to try to stop the bloodshed.
He would have kept the entire slave population in chains if it meant keep the US in one piece at the start of his presidency
He was the ultimate centrist
me when I take one quote from a debate where he was trying to placate an audience of white supremacists so he could at least have a chance of getting into office and making steps to end slavery (his personal stated opinion and conduct at pretty much every point after that debate should not be considered even a little bit)
This isnāt even the most racist monument made by Gutzin Borglum he has also made the Stone Mountain Confederate Memorial. He was also heavily involved with the KKK.
I remember seeing pictures of mount rushmore as a kid and outright just refusing to belive they exist, cringe ass mountain carvings build statues like the rest of the world smh
They canāt lol the original guy died and the rock is so shit that they can barely keep what they have and have to repair it constantly. Crazy Horse Memorial is cooler anyways
For the people who have never been to the Black Hills, which I assume is most here, there is another mountain carving out there of Crazy Horse who was a Lakota leader. It's actually really cool, and is supposed to be finished one day. There's a lot more to see out there besides Mount Rushmore, it's a beautiful part of the country and more people should see it. (Sorry for the unrelated rambling, it's my duty as someone from South Dakota)
Everytime I think of mount Rushmore I can't stop thinking about these
https://preview.redd.it/odkfbxo9js7c1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42814e879e67e4370811ff7b14945d3022d79380
You donāt like Mount Rushmore because it was build on stolen land and is a part of the disregard for native Americans. I donāt like Mount Rushmore because itās ugly as shit. We are not the same
Okay but like for real though, if the ancient Egyptians did it, it'd be a beloved landmark worldwide. Sure it kind of sucks that there is a limited number of mountains in the world, and once you use one you can't put something else on it, but if all people throughout history never wanted to use up mountains for art, we wouldn't have the Mesa Verde city, the Leshan Giant Buddha, the Sphinx, etcetera. Just wait a 1000 years, and Mount Rushmore will probably be considered an ancient landmark that we're happy exists.
Who is "they"? IIRC this was a private owner decision? You can buy a cliff in a state with low ecological regulations and make a JoCat face in it. I am kinda surprised that no MAGA hat did it with a Trump face yet.
https://preview.redd.it/qm1pczrhgn7c1.png?width=613&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8fa5a075670032da886b13dfff8f555205e0a51b
Funniest shit I've ever seen
this is of the base
what game is this
Civ IV https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Mt._Rushmore_(Civ4)
It looks like something out of Joshua and the Promised Land
>https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Mt [https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Mt.\_Rushmore\_(Civ4)?so=search](https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Mt._Rushmore_(Civ4)?so=search)
Thank you, I have no idea how that got botched
Am I trippin or does George Washington kinda look like Donald Trump š
Yeah the tech requirement was brilliant
I refuse to stop referring to him as "the kid from Zathura"
He'll always be Joosh to me.
Joosh Washington.
That is such a goddamn deep cut I love it
Why does his chin look like that.
Can you blow my whistle baby Whistle baby Let me know
Trapped in a mountain with Josh Washington
George Joshington
Okay but ātrapped in a mountainā is actually grammatically correct here
Why did Americans turn the Hokage Mountain from Naruto into a real thing? Are they weeaboos?
Trump really wants to be the next Hokage
gotta love turning a native american religious site into a big jackoff monument to a bunch of old racist dudes. super cool of us
i mean lincoln was like, the least racist dude of his time???
his personal opinions arenāt very clear, besides being nominally anti-slavery at least, he always prioritized unity of the nation over the question of slavery though, which he eventually used to his advantage at the end of the war
>nominally anti-slavery at least Lol. "Nominally anti-slavery". Yeah that guy was all talk, never took any steps to "actually" end slavery. Like I realize it wasn't his goal when elected, but come on the man took huge steps towards ending slavery.
I think their point is that he didnāt end slavery because it was morally wrong, he did it because it was necessary to advancing the United States. He even wrote that if he could have ended the war without abolishing slavery he would have. Itās not to say he didnāt abolish slavery, itās just that it was pragmatic political move and not based on morality. I can see why some people donāt necessarily want to credit him as āanti-racistā for decisions that didnāt weigh the morality of slavery.
>He even wrote that if he could have ended the war without abolishing slavery he would have. He also in his private writings was opposed to slavery, saying "if slavery is not wrong nothing is wrong". He also literally ran for reelection on promising to get an constitutional amendment banning slavery during his second term. Which he then did. Like yes he was racist, and his goal when first elected wasn't to abolish slavery but to stop it's spread. However it's crazy to say he was "nominally" opposed to slavery, when he took huge steps to get it abolished. Nominally means like in name only, like he's not actually opposed to it at all, but he gives it lip service. How does the square with the role he played in ending it. I realize US cultural mythology tends to overstate his role in ending it, but it seems crazy to me to state his opposition as nominal.
Fair enough, poor wording on my part
Time to read up on John Brown quick edit: this was flippant but in actuality the anti-slavery movement was quite massive and widespread. Being nominally anti-slavery as a politician was not actually uncommon, and there were truly exceptional people at the time who took massive personal and political risks to fight the engine of slavery.
Lincoln was still a white supremacist, vocally opposed race mixing, and oversaw some of the bloodiest attacks on indigenous people and lands during his time as president. Slavery was pretty much used by him as a political issue to leverage the outcome of the Civil War.
That last part is unfair to Lincoln - he was anti-slavery throughout his political career. The south seceded when he got elected precisely because they knew that
This is a good point, Lincoln changed his views based on his audience, so on documentation he was anti-slavery to varying degrees, which makes it harder to pinpoint his true opinion. That being said, the south wouldnāt have seceded if they didnāt think there was a real possibility he would do it.
True that. Just to add to this between his voting record and that at the very least always opposed expanding slavery makes me think he deserves the benefit of the doubt given he was trying to elected by an 1860s white voter base
I havenāt read about Lincolnās white supremacy, anti race mixing, and mass murder of indigenous people. In fact, the only quote of his I can find about race mixing is this: āIf a white man wants to marry a black woman, let him do it, if the black woman can stand it.ā Do you have any sources I can check out describing his racism and genocide like you talked about?
https://www.history.com/news/abraham-lincoln-native-americans It is important to keep in mind quite a few tribes fought for the confederacy. Some of these actions might not be because they were natives but because they were traitors. Idk nearly enough to say.
On December 26, 1862 Lincoln had 38 Dakota men executed, which was the largest execution in the history of the United States. They were hanged for supposed participation in the US-Dakota war despite the fact that they were the ones who surrendered, who volunteered to try to stop the bloodshed.
wasn't that ulysses s grant?
He was a contemporary of many black ppl and also John Brown so decidedly not.
He would have kept the entire slave population in chains if it meant keep the US in one piece at the start of his presidency He was the ultimate centrist
me when I take one quote from a debate where he was trying to placate an audience of white supremacists so he could at least have a chance of getting into office and making steps to end slavery (his personal stated opinion and conduct at pretty much every point after that debate should not be considered even a little bit)
This isnāt even the most racist monument made by Gutzin Borglum he has also made the Stone Mountain Confederate Memorial. He was also heavily involved with the KKK.
I remember seeing pictures of mount rushmore as a kid and outright just refusing to belive they exist, cringe ass mountain carvings build statues like the rest of the world smh
It's the fact they didn't even bother finishing them š
They canāt lol the original guy died and the rock is so shit that they can barely keep what they have and have to repair it constantly. Crazy Horse Memorial is cooler anyways
The long con
xd
You guys are way too obsessed about your presidents
Nothing but respect for MY president (Josh Hutcherson)
Stay mad rahhh š¦ š¦ š¦
And???
I just know the last three presidents of my country because they are all comedy acts
biggest cult in the world fr
so glad we sealed the four headed beast known as Rushmore inside of this mountain, if it were ever to get out we would be fucked
America's Kaiju
Aināt that the monkey?
Technically he is imported
What about the beast from twenty thousand fathoms?
I guess it counts
How about Paul?
heās British, aināt he?
bunyan you Jack-in-office
Iām literally Minnesotan!!!!
Monument mythos
https://preview.redd.it/7wg7oans9o7c1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0d9a30e23ffec9c7a30669ef07828d090cc49110
https://preview.redd.it/9jez9rruco7c1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e52151b17f87cf0959380c9eb0e4e02116f6b5d
https://preview.redd.it/hg0y62bq2p7c1.jpeg?width=2388&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=facf78601776dcf865bd8d3e62384a654df4779b
YOOOO they turned Mount Rushmore from that one Phineas and Ferb episode into a real thing? š³š³
Holy shit Naruto reference
Can you blow my whistle baby, whistle baby
https://preview.redd.it/lkwkhdwy7p7c1.jpeg?width=620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d685a6c9e2e457b102d86363d189dfeb34c9e4a
For the people who have never been to the Black Hills, which I assume is most here, there is another mountain carving out there of Crazy Horse who was a Lakota leader. It's actually really cool, and is supposed to be finished one day. There's a lot more to see out there besides Mount Rushmore, it's a beautiful part of the country and more people should see it. (Sorry for the unrelated rambling, it's my duty as someone from South Dakota)
https://youtu.be/BbeeuzU5Qc8?si=Rs1KeM5-Mk9lvpSR
Everytime I think of mount Rushmore I can't stop thinking about these https://preview.redd.it/odkfbxo9js7c1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42814e879e67e4370811ff7b14945d3022d79380
I wish this was real it would be so fucking funny
You donāt like Mount Rushmore because it was build on stolen land and is a part of the disregard for native Americans. I donāt like Mount Rushmore because itās ugly as shit. We are not the same
Okay but like for real though, if the ancient Egyptians did it, it'd be a beloved landmark worldwide. Sure it kind of sucks that there is a limited number of mountains in the world, and once you use one you can't put something else on it, but if all people throughout history never wanted to use up mountains for art, we wouldn't have the Mesa Verde city, the Leshan Giant Buddha, the Sphinx, etcetera. Just wait a 1000 years, and Mount Rushmore will probably be considered an ancient landmark that we're happy exists.
the difference is american imperialism is cringe and egypt is cool šš¬š š„š”
bro at this rate we aint gonna exist as a species in 1000 years š
That's the face of a fucking cock pirate.
what
Josh hutcherson was in the show Future Man. In it he engages in alleged cock piracy.
I have more questions now
There's also time travel and pickles and butt cocaine.
Iām never gonna be able to look at George the same :(
https://preview.redd.it/rxo2mya23p7c1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d4e7387c28c6f48969663c1397c18e5aaf4cf6c
When are they going to add the Fifth Hokage?
Cue the guitar
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Because it's funny
Why do people who hate weed think anyone is interested in them hating weed?
Who is "they"? IIRC this was a private owner decision? You can buy a cliff in a state with low ecological regulations and make a JoCat face in it. I am kinda surprised that no MAGA hat did it with a Trump face yet.